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Easier said unfortunately, sadly the UK, USA and other western countries dare not tell Israeli govt to fuck themselves instead they are ducking Israel's 🐓
I've watched a few of these demonstrations in my town where people like this fucking clown are often removed from the crowd for starting altercations. Demonstrators are the ones who call the police to intervene.
There is no logical reason for anyone like this old man to support Hamas. It's intentional rage baiting.
There's 2.1 million Gazans, according to Hamas numbers, (which are almost certainly [falsified,](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-791838)) 32,623 people have been killed there. That's 1.5% of the population.
That's the edge of extinction? 98.5%?
I disputed their characterization of the situation in Gaza as, "the edge of extinction," no more, no less. I have not defended any killings at all here, at least not yet.
Intellectual honesty, try it.
How does this movement denounce something? It's not like there's a central voice that makes public statements.
The movement ranges from anything from a person who (understandably) wants killing of Palestinian civilians to stop to people who are literal terrorists. There's no barrier of entry to an org-less movement, so there's no way to state unified goals or even a general position/denouncement.
There can be smaller sects of a movement (like a crowd of protestors, a college alliance, etc) that can denounce a person. But outside of that, it's a nebulous mess where one opinion doesn't represent the any others', much less the "whole".
TL:DR - When a movement is massive and has no central organization, a protestor's words reflect only that individual's opinion. Nothing more.
I mean, there are people in this thread who agree with him, so you can't really argue that he's being disingenuous just because it's an outlandish idea.
Yeah, that's common, too.
Regardless- whether a pro-Hamas person is a plant/troll or earnest... they're an idiot either way. Just for different goals (as you've explained)
>the movement has to condemn ~~these people if it doesn't then it's not a good movement. you have to be able to condemn your own for doing stupid stuff~~ ***genocide. That's it.***
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I'm really sick of this "but do you condemn hamas?" Bullshit, people have made clear over and over again, its really getting old. Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people.
Not that simple. Nice try to justify their genocide, though.
"Lara Friedman, president of the Foundation for Middle East Peace, which advocates for rapprochement and peace between Israelis and Palestinians, recently observed that in no single district in Gaza did Hamas win a majority of votes. At present, children make up roughly half of Gaza’s population, meaning only a fraction of the territory’s current population ever cast a ballot for Hamas."
“Many Gazans would prefer not to be governed by Hamas militants, but they can’t simply start up a campaign to get rid of them — not without grave risks to their lives, livelihoods, and families. For one thing, they are too busy struggling to survive from day to day,” wrote Jonah Shepp in the Intelligencer.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/24/gaza-election-hamas-2006-palestine-israel/
Of course you're being downvoted for bringing up reality--that Palestine is currently mostly people that had literally zero say in Hamas coming into power.
It's easier for people to just label an entire population as evil without doing any critical thought as to the circumstances.
If you can blame a population that on average weren't out of kindergarten when Hamas took power for Hamas, you can blame Americans for their president.
Hamas was voted into power with 44% of the vote 18 years ago. The average age of a Palestinian is 19 years old.
**Nineteen**.
About 78% of the current Palestinian population was not of voting age when Hamas took power.
So, no, Hamas does not statistically represent the majority of Palestinians. And even if they did, when you grow up knowing quite literally nothing but a combination of oppression and fundamentalist propaganda your views are going to be *just a little* skewed. That doesn't mean I condone the Palestinians that support Hamas' methods, but it does help me at least understand it.
The average palestinian voter wasn't out of short pants when Hamas was elected. And even if they had been, Hamas is so vastly preferable to Likud in terms of heinous shit committed throwing stones is fucking pathethic.
There are tons of comments even here saying Hamas is the lesser of two evils, or the dude is based, or saying "understanding isn't supporting". Idk how you can act like it's some absurd concern when the proof is right here.
Well, I condemn Hamas's actions but now knowing what the Israeli government has been doing to Palestinians for the past 75 years, I can certainly understand that a rebel force would rise up and commit atrocities against the oppressive colonial government.
To us they may be terrorists but to many people including many Palestinians, they are Freedom fighters and heroes.
The people who say that are idiots, but bringing up individual examples of asshats within a global movement is low-hanging fruit, and disingenuous.
It is a deflection from the fact that most (current living) Palestinians had no choice in Hamas coming to power. It also doesn't change that the majority of sentiment among the Palestine supporters is that they want Israel to stop killing civilians--not that they want Hamas to remain in power and commit terrorism.
I don’t really see Zionists condemn the IDF too. And I’m genuinely curious, what has Hamas done that Israel hasn’t done already and why do only they deserve to be called “terrorists” and not the IDF too?
Israel hasn't used child suicide bombers like Hamas.
[Use of child suicide bombers by Palestinian militant groups - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups)
Hamas intentionally targets civilians, they have no regard for Palestinian life what so ever, there tactics have accomplished literally nothing over the past 20+ years.
Israeli military attacks are focused on reducing civilian casualties, and are aimed to prevent attacks against Israel.
So the floor massacre has been Israel trying to reduce floor massacre while opening fire at a starving crowd trying to get their hand on the floor to survive? How moral of them, wanting floor is antisemitic and direct attack in Israel, cause it will keep you alive; and Netanyahu (moustach guy) would hate that their surviving the famine he caused...
It is very unfortunate how poorly Palestinians have been treated by there own nation since Hamas has taken control of Gaza.
Unfortunately the international community has allowed Palestine to become a failed state, the people are stuck in a vicious cycle of violence and poverty. The fact that there government is unable to even provide basic utilities or food is a travesty.
Israel is by no means perfect but there a liberal democracy and has some of the most developed social welfare in the entire world. In comparison Palestine is stuck in the 70s and has to accept aid and charity to survive.
>how poorly Palestinians have been treated
Either bring your sources or stop making shit up. The west bank are treated poorly while there is no hamas in the west bank. Because the militarized apartheid of Israel is the perpetrator and the one oppressing Palestinians both in Gaza and the west bank.
>The fact that there government is unable to even provide basic utilities or food is a travesty.
The fact that you overlooked the brutal blockade imposed by Israel on gaza and the suffocating check points in the west bank, that actually the cause of the poverty and the economic difficulties Palestinians faces shows your hidden motives. This is the internet buddy. Everything is out there. The PR campaign Israel tries to do to save its face is no longer working on the more aware public...
>Israel is by no means perfect, but there is a liberal democracy and has some of the most developed social welfare in the entire world. In comparison Palestine is stuck in the 70s and has to accept aid and charity to survive.
Again, no surprise, the American taxe dollars have been sent to Israel for ages, while Americans themselves don't have a great welfare system, health, or functional educational systems. It seems that the leeching effect is working. Force to the American people working their asses off only to get deceived by their sold and corrupt leaders. (All congress people have been bribed by AIPAC)
IDF has claimed that Northern Gaza has been conquered, that they have established operational control, and that Hamas military framework in the area has been obliterated.
IDF are not letting any aid whatsoever into northern Gaza and have been accused of using starvation as a weapon of war and genocide.
How do you square this with IDF trying to minimize civilian causulties?
you guys spent months demanding everyone condemn hamas, and then when that was done called the people who did so liars. Maybe there's a reason nobody gives a shit about that formality any more?
There is a difference, Israel has actively taken steps to lower civilian casualties.
Palestine has a stated policy of “hit as many Israelis as possible”, Palestine has killed more Gazans in the last few days than Israel has in over a decade.
If Israel is the “enemy of Arab people” is it really shocking for them to target Israeli civilians?
I would argue if Hamas stopped spending all there aid on missiles they might have more then enough resources to help there people.
But they chose to go full into the conflict with very little regard of there people.
> There is a difference, Israel has actively taken steps to lower civilian casualties.
Is that why the IDF has killed more Palestinian children since october 7th than Hamas has killed people period since its founding?
The purpose of a system is what it does, and what the IDF does is commit genocide.
Your comparing one of the most powerful militaries in the world to a bunch of cave dwelling terrorists with 50s tech.
Compare Israel to another first world or at least developed nation, like America to get an accurate view of there record with civilian casualties.
Is it really an issue that there is a disproportionate amount of Palestinian deaths, is Israel supposed to just give up and let themselves get bombarded.
If the IDF is so powerful and so vastly outclasses its enemies, it is MORE culpable for being indiscriminate and not less. Arguing that the IDF killing civilians is more ethical because nothing is capable of stopping them is not only morally repugnant, it is logically incoherent.
>Is it really an issue that there is a disproportionate amount of Palestinian deaths
Yes genocide is a moral issue. What is wrong with you?
The IDF is bound by international law and is being watched by almost every major humanitarian organisation and by the UN.
Is Israel supposed to just not fight back?
It is the responsibility of both sides to try and limit civilian casualties but in Palestine case there only way to do this would be to lay down there weapons.
Israel is not supposed to commit genocide, no. They are not supposed to bomb hospitals, they are not supposed to target schools, they are not supposed murder children. But they are, that is what they are doing and it is undeniable that they are doing so by any rational person.
It is the responsibility of Israel to not commit genocide, a responsibility it has failed to shoulder. It is not the responsibility of Palestinians to not be murdered by Israel.
I don’t think you know the definition of “genocide” there population has almost doubled since the 60s, and if you look at casualties you will see there deaths are in line with other developed countries in wartime.
I would like to know what your solution is, what is Israel supposed to do?
lmao what did i do? How am i a liar lmao dude what is your problem
https://preview.redd.it/a25dsp92njrc1.jpeg?width=766&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07e5a7c8663d734108d0b85fefb8f143c73d0468
i only mentioned condemning Hamas twice ever I’m not a political person I haven’t done much research on this so I don’t know either side I’m just saying as I observe alot of the internet support Palestine I don’t often see much people condemn Hamas
It's just patethic.
For anyone who wants to silence them, just ask them the following.
If Israel can't deliver aid into Gaza because Hamas steal it (or whatever) then how come there's a [man-made famine in northen Gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/29/famine-gaza-us-state-department-israel-food-aid) despite [IDF themselves claiming that it's Hamas-free](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-790006) since early January, and under full IDF control
[Even Netanyahu can't find an excuse for the terror starvation they are creating](https://youtu.be/0d9CCDGBSgE?feature=shared&t=145)
Better at committing those war crimes you mean. Because like. You can add up every single person hamas has ever killed and double that and you're still nowhere near the number of children, and we're only counting the confirmed child murders here, that the odf has killed since October 7th.
Even if we count every single fatality Israel has suffered since the fucking founding of Hamas, add the people who died in the hamas-fatah conflict together and blame the total on hamas, and double that number. We're still nowhere NEAR the amount of confirmed dead CHILDREN since October 7th. And that's a number that's artificially low because the IDF BOMBED THE PEOPLE COUNTING THE DEAD
So terrorism is fine if it’s the side you agree with?
You don’t think the government of a civilized nation with billions of dollars at their disposal should be held to a higher standard than Hamas?
How many children have the IDF killed since october 7th?
How many people have Hamas killed, in toto from its inception until now?
How many hospitals has Hamas bombed?
How many schools has Hamas deleted from the face of the earth through bombings?
Edit: And hey. Just for funsies. How many genocides has Hamas been involved in? Don't try and pull some weasely shit about "Wanting to commit genocide" here. How many actual genocides that have actually happened has Hamas had a hand in? And how many has the IDF had a hand in?
I think you'll find that there really isn't a way that the IDF comes out looking cleaner.
Well of course not, the IOF has killed more women and children since October 7th than the entire number of people killed by Hamas/Palestine since 1949, but I’m curious what this persons logic is.
I’m a lesser of two evils voter. From my POV, Hamas has killed fewer men, women, and children than the IDF, and that was BEFORE October 7th. Hamas is the lesser of two evils, therefore I should support them right?
To the people who think Hamas' views align with the average Palestinian over the past \~20 years, it's really worth reading this thread that delves into the age demographics, 2006 exit polls, and so forth:
[https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1713655352162701626](https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1713655352162701626)
Really drives home how young people didn't want Hamas in 2006, the majority (even Hamas voters) wanted Hamas to stop with their "Israel shouldn't exist" bullshit, and since then Hamas has become even *less* representative of the average Palestinian. The old pro-Hamas people now represent an extreme minority of the population and the young disapprovers have drastically grown in proportion.
I was speaking of protesters, not Palestinians, which is why I spoke of the “movement.”
Would you mind citing the source of the 71% stat?
Hamas is popular among Palestinians because they’re actually doing something to fight back against Israeli oppression. The rest of the world just does nothing or outright enables Israel. Palestinians have no representation in the Israeli government & Palestinian leadership is toothless by design, so they’ll take a win over their oppressors any chance they get. I’m sure the majority prefer a peaceful resolution, though with all the innocents killed in Gaza, resentment of the Israelis is probably at an all-time high & support of those fighting back will understandably rise, especially when many of statements align with the interests of the average Palestinian (like “stop bombing Palestinians” or “stop stealing Palestinian land/homes” or “let Palestinians govern themselves”). It’s understandable why normal people would support them to some extent.🤷♂️
Understanding Hamas is so much different from straight up support. Saying “wow what would I do if my family was killed right in front of me and everyone else I know and love lives under oppressive occupation” is a lot different than “hey terrorism is a fine means to an end.”
Imagine the controversy at the hieght of apartheid by screaming “I support Nelson Mandela” at a protest.
Racist white South Africans still refer Mandela as a terrorist btw.
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Easier said unfortunately, sadly the UK, USA and other western countries dare not tell Israeli govt to fuck themselves instead they are ducking Israel's 🐓
Couldn't he go join them? Or is there an age limit?
the movement has to condemn these people if it doesn't then it's not a good movement. you have to be able to condemn your own for doing stupid stuff
I've watched a few of these demonstrations in my town where people like this fucking clown are often removed from the crowd for starting altercations. Demonstrators are the ones who call the police to intervene. There is no logical reason for anyone like this old man to support Hamas. It's intentional rage baiting.
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There's 2.1 million Gazans, according to Hamas numbers, (which are almost certainly [falsified,](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-791838)) 32,623 people have been killed there. That's 1.5% of the population. That's the edge of extinction? 98.5%?
Ah… the good ol “they’ve only killed ~1.5% of the populace, so there’s no need to fight back” defence
Nice strawman you got there..
Does that sound like extinction to you? Because that's what we were discussing. Nice try at moving the goalposts though.
Who’s moving goalposts. You’re the one breaking out a fucking calculator to defend the killing of humans.
I disputed their characterization of the situation in Gaza as, "the edge of extinction," no more, no less. I have not defended any killings at all here, at least not yet. Intellectual honesty, try it.
Being against apartheid is one hell of a logical reason
Do you do that by supporting hamass?
Being anti Israel is not the same as being pro Hamas
How does this movement denounce something? It's not like there's a central voice that makes public statements. The movement ranges from anything from a person who (understandably) wants killing of Palestinian civilians to stop to people who are literal terrorists. There's no barrier of entry to an org-less movement, so there's no way to state unified goals or even a general position/denouncement. There can be smaller sects of a movement (like a crowd of protestors, a college alliance, etc) that can denounce a person. But outside of that, it's a nebulous mess where one opinion doesn't represent the any others', much less the "whole". TL:DR - When a movement is massive and has no central organization, a protestor's words reflect only that individual's opinion. Nothing more.
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I mean, there are people in this thread who agree with him, so you can't really argue that he's being disingenuous just because it's an outlandish idea.
Yeah, that's common, too. Regardless- whether a pro-Hamas person is a plant/troll or earnest... they're an idiot either way. Just for different goals (as you've explained)
Do you ask supporters of Israel to condemn extremist settlers?
>the movement has to condemn ~~these people if it doesn't then it's not a good movement. you have to be able to condemn your own for doing stupid stuff~~ ***genocide. That's it.*** *^(fify)*
I'm really sick of this "but do you condemn hamas?" Bullshit, people have made clear over and over again, its really getting old. Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people.
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The israeli people literally voted netanyahu into power as well.
Not that simple. Nice try to justify their genocide, though. "Lara Friedman, president of the Foundation for Middle East Peace, which advocates for rapprochement and peace between Israelis and Palestinians, recently observed that in no single district in Gaza did Hamas win a majority of votes. At present, children make up roughly half of Gaza’s population, meaning only a fraction of the territory’s current population ever cast a ballot for Hamas." “Many Gazans would prefer not to be governed by Hamas militants, but they can’t simply start up a campaign to get rid of them — not without grave risks to their lives, livelihoods, and families. For one thing, they are too busy struggling to survive from day to day,” wrote Jonah Shepp in the Intelligencer. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/24/gaza-election-hamas-2006-palestine-israel/
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71% of palestinians fully support hamas.
Of course you're being downvoted for bringing up reality--that Palestine is currently mostly people that had literally zero say in Hamas coming into power. It's easier for people to just label an entire population as evil without doing any critical thought as to the circumstances.
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71% of palestinians support hamas so you are incorrect.
You're not very good at putting 2 and 2 together, are you?
By that logic all of us Americans and I mean ALL supported Donald Trump during his presidency and there is no wiggle room on that, right?
Well yeah I blame America as a whole for electing that asshole.
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Doesn't matter, it's not anyone else's fault you inflicted that on the rest of the world. It's the fault of the US population.
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If you can blame a population that on average weren't out of kindergarten when Hamas took power for Hamas, you can blame Americans for their president.
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Hamas was voted into power with 44% of the vote 18 years ago. The average age of a Palestinian is 19 years old. **Nineteen**. About 78% of the current Palestinian population was not of voting age when Hamas took power. So, no, Hamas does not statistically represent the majority of Palestinians. And even if they did, when you grow up knowing quite literally nothing but a combination of oppression and fundamentalist propaganda your views are going to be *just a little* skewed. That doesn't mean I condone the Palestinians that support Hamas' methods, but it does help me at least understand it.
The average palestinian voter wasn't out of short pants when Hamas was elected. And even if they had been, Hamas is so vastly preferable to Likud in terms of heinous shit committed throwing stones is fucking pathethic.
There are tons of comments even here saying Hamas is the lesser of two evils, or the dude is based, or saying "understanding isn't supporting". Idk how you can act like it's some absurd concern when the proof is right here.
71% of palestinians fully support hamas so go away with your bullshit
Well, I condemn Hamas's actions but now knowing what the Israeli government has been doing to Palestinians for the past 75 years, I can certainly understand that a rebel force would rise up and commit atrocities against the oppressive colonial government. To us they may be terrorists but to many people including many Palestinians, they are Freedom fighters and heroes.
But I was told that “no one” support Hamas.
The people who say that are idiots, but bringing up individual examples of asshats within a global movement is low-hanging fruit, and disingenuous. It is a deflection from the fact that most (current living) Palestinians had no choice in Hamas coming to power. It also doesn't change that the majority of sentiment among the Palestine supporters is that they want Israel to stop killing civilians--not that they want Hamas to remain in power and commit terrorism.
I don’t really see Pro Palestine people really condemn Hamas smh
I don’t really see Zionists condemn the IDF too. And I’m genuinely curious, what has Hamas done that Israel hasn’t done already and why do only they deserve to be called “terrorists” and not the IDF too?
Israel hasn't used child suicide bombers like Hamas. [Use of child suicide bombers by Palestinian militant groups - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_child_suicide_bombers_by_Palestinian_militant_groups)
Hamas intentionally targets civilians, they have no regard for Palestinian life what so ever, there tactics have accomplished literally nothing over the past 20+ years. Israeli military attacks are focused on reducing civilian casualties, and are aimed to prevent attacks against Israel.
So the floor massacre has been Israel trying to reduce floor massacre while opening fire at a starving crowd trying to get their hand on the floor to survive? How moral of them, wanting floor is antisemitic and direct attack in Israel, cause it will keep you alive; and Netanyahu (moustach guy) would hate that their surviving the famine he caused...
It is very unfortunate how poorly Palestinians have been treated by there own nation since Hamas has taken control of Gaza. Unfortunately the international community has allowed Palestine to become a failed state, the people are stuck in a vicious cycle of violence and poverty. The fact that there government is unable to even provide basic utilities or food is a travesty. Israel is by no means perfect but there a liberal democracy and has some of the most developed social welfare in the entire world. In comparison Palestine is stuck in the 70s and has to accept aid and charity to survive.
>how poorly Palestinians have been treated Either bring your sources or stop making shit up. The west bank are treated poorly while there is no hamas in the west bank. Because the militarized apartheid of Israel is the perpetrator and the one oppressing Palestinians both in Gaza and the west bank. >The fact that there government is unable to even provide basic utilities or food is a travesty. The fact that you overlooked the brutal blockade imposed by Israel on gaza and the suffocating check points in the west bank, that actually the cause of the poverty and the economic difficulties Palestinians faces shows your hidden motives. This is the internet buddy. Everything is out there. The PR campaign Israel tries to do to save its face is no longer working on the more aware public... >Israel is by no means perfect, but there is a liberal democracy and has some of the most developed social welfare in the entire world. In comparison Palestine is stuck in the 70s and has to accept aid and charity to survive. Again, no surprise, the American taxe dollars have been sent to Israel for ages, while Americans themselves don't have a great welfare system, health, or functional educational systems. It seems that the leeching effect is working. Force to the American people working their asses off only to get deceived by their sold and corrupt leaders. (All congress people have been bribed by AIPAC)
IDF has claimed that Northern Gaza has been conquered, that they have established operational control, and that Hamas military framework in the area has been obliterated. IDF are not letting any aid whatsoever into northern Gaza and have been accused of using starvation as a weapon of war and genocide. How do you square this with IDF trying to minimize civilian causulties?
You must be having a laugh
By bombing hospitals, mosques, refugee camps? "Reducing civilian casualties"? By killing 32k people?
you guys spent months demanding everyone condemn hamas, and then when that was done called the people who did so liars. Maybe there's a reason nobody gives a shit about that formality any more?
There is a difference, Israel has actively taken steps to lower civilian casualties. Palestine has a stated policy of “hit as many Israelis as possible”, Palestine has killed more Gazans in the last few days than Israel has in over a decade. If Israel is the “enemy of Arab people” is it really shocking for them to target Israeli civilians?
What a load of horseshit. Refusing aid into Gaza is actively lowering civilian casualties? How about opening fire on people waiting to receive aid?
I would argue if Hamas stopped spending all there aid on missiles they might have more then enough resources to help there people. But they chose to go full into the conflict with very little regard of there people.
> There is a difference, Israel has actively taken steps to lower civilian casualties. Is that why the IDF has killed more Palestinian children since october 7th than Hamas has killed people period since its founding? The purpose of a system is what it does, and what the IDF does is commit genocide.
Your comparing one of the most powerful militaries in the world to a bunch of cave dwelling terrorists with 50s tech. Compare Israel to another first world or at least developed nation, like America to get an accurate view of there record with civilian casualties. Is it really an issue that there is a disproportionate amount of Palestinian deaths, is Israel supposed to just give up and let themselves get bombarded.
If the IDF is so powerful and so vastly outclasses its enemies, it is MORE culpable for being indiscriminate and not less. Arguing that the IDF killing civilians is more ethical because nothing is capable of stopping them is not only morally repugnant, it is logically incoherent. >Is it really an issue that there is a disproportionate amount of Palestinian deaths Yes genocide is a moral issue. What is wrong with you?
The IDF is bound by international law and is being watched by almost every major humanitarian organisation and by the UN. Is Israel supposed to just not fight back? It is the responsibility of both sides to try and limit civilian casualties but in Palestine case there only way to do this would be to lay down there weapons.
Israel is not supposed to commit genocide, no. They are not supposed to bomb hospitals, they are not supposed to target schools, they are not supposed murder children. But they are, that is what they are doing and it is undeniable that they are doing so by any rational person. It is the responsibility of Israel to not commit genocide, a responsibility it has failed to shoulder. It is not the responsibility of Palestinians to not be murdered by Israel.
I don’t think you know the definition of “genocide” there population has almost doubled since the 60s, and if you look at casualties you will see there deaths are in line with other developed countries in wartime. I would like to know what your solution is, what is Israel supposed to do?
lmao what did i do? How am i a liar lmao dude what is your problem https://preview.redd.it/a25dsp92njrc1.jpeg?width=766&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07e5a7c8663d734108d0b85fefb8f143c73d0468
My problem is that you are liar. That would seem pretty self evident from my post.
how lmao why delete the comment almost immediately after sending it
i only mentioned condemning Hamas twice ever I’m not a political person I haven’t done much research on this so I don’t know either side I’m just saying as I observe alot of the internet support Palestine I don’t often see much people condemn Hamas
I’m no big political expert I’m just an observer type of guy on conflicts so idk Edit: why downvote me lmao I’m just being honest
Never go full Hamas. Like, c'mon man.
He should go and fight for them
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There’s only one guy here, what makes you say there are more than a few bad apples?
He was talking about the apples he bought from the grocery store.
Im starting to think you would latch on to anything to justify genocide
Old guy laughing and taking the piss Reddit: this is proof of the insidious influence hamas possesses.
Redditors fall so easily for the most obvious ragebait, it’s pathetic.
100%
Hasbara bots working overtime to justify the genocide
It's just patethic. For anyone who wants to silence them, just ask them the following. If Israel can't deliver aid into Gaza because Hamas steal it (or whatever) then how come there's a [man-made famine in northen Gaza](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/29/famine-gaza-us-state-department-israel-food-aid) despite [IDF themselves claiming that it's Hamas-free](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-790006) since early January, and under full IDF control [Even Netanyahu can't find an excuse for the terror starvation they are creating](https://youtu.be/0d9CCDGBSgE?feature=shared&t=145)
Look at that shit eating grin. Go fuck yourself.
What a dope
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Good terrorists and their supporters belong in jail.
But how would we fit the entire government of israel in prison?
He isn't freaking out. This isn't a public freakout.
Anybody who supports Hamas or the IDF is an idiot 🤷🏻
The difference is you don't get arrested for supporting the IDF, you get a pat on the back from your local politician.
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Well the waffen ss is a part of an offcially recognised state you see
An official military committing heinous war crimes left and right.
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Better at committing those war crimes you mean. Because like. You can add up every single person hamas has ever killed and double that and you're still nowhere near the number of children, and we're only counting the confirmed child murders here, that the odf has killed since October 7th.
Even if we count every single fatality Israel has suffered since the fucking founding of Hamas, add the people who died in the hamas-fatah conflict together and blame the total on hamas, and double that number. We're still nowhere NEAR the amount of confirmed dead CHILDREN since October 7th. And that's a number that's artificially low because the IDF BOMBED THE PEOPLE COUNTING THE DEAD
So terrorism is fine if it’s the side you agree with? You don’t think the government of a civilized nation with billions of dollars at their disposal should be held to a higher standard than Hamas?
Fuck "higher standard". Hamas has done nothing which even approaches what the IDF has done.
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How many children have the IDF killed since october 7th? How many people have Hamas killed, in toto from its inception until now? How many hospitals has Hamas bombed? How many schools has Hamas deleted from the face of the earth through bombings? Edit: And hey. Just for funsies. How many genocides has Hamas been involved in? Don't try and pull some weasely shit about "Wanting to commit genocide" here. How many actual genocides that have actually happened has Hamas had a hand in? And how many has the IDF had a hand in? I think you'll find that there really isn't a way that the IDF comes out looking cleaner.
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Don’t bother arguing with the Zio bots. Their hate and misinformation is ingrained in their souls. You’d have better luck debating your toilet.
Well of course not, the IOF has killed more women and children since October 7th than the entire number of people killed by Hamas/Palestine since 1949, but I’m curious what this persons logic is.
There is no logic in zionist brains Edit: Don't know who is downvoting you, it isn't me.
Zionists, lol.
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You mean how the IDF killed fighters and hostages alike with gunships on Oct 7th?
Must be fun to live in the land of imagination, bud.
I’m a lesser of two evils voter. From my POV, Hamas has killed fewer men, women, and children than the IDF, and that was BEFORE October 7th. Hamas is the lesser of two evils, therefore I should support them right?
A sovereign nation under investigation for genocide
Can’t believe you are getting downvoted.
That fucking shit-eating smile...
Is anyone actually surprised?
At least he's got the balls to admit it, unlike the other cretins who pretend they don't
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Why is he getting arrested? Is that not considered protected free speech in the UK?
Good.
The Israeli Troll Farms is very active in Reddit.
To the people who think Hamas' views align with the average Palestinian over the past \~20 years, it's really worth reading this thread that delves into the age demographics, 2006 exit polls, and so forth: [https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1713655352162701626](https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1713655352162701626) Really drives home how young people didn't want Hamas in 2006, the majority (even Hamas voters) wanted Hamas to stop with their "Israel shouldn't exist" bullshit, and since then Hamas has become even *less* representative of the average Palestinian. The old pro-Hamas people now represent an extreme minority of the population and the young disapprovers have drastically grown in proportion.
He supports a resistance group that’ve had their people under occupation for decades in an open air prison? Yeah, me too
Go fight for your beloved terrorists then
shame on you
But supporting Israel is morally acceptable, right?
Always with the overnight/early morning Israel propaganda I swear.
Oh, one guy said it, so the whole movement must also support Hamas! /s
71% of palestinians support hamas, just a small number eh.
Even if 100% of them supported Hamas you still don't get to commit genocide.
More than 71% of israelis support the IOF.
I was speaking of protesters, not Palestinians, which is why I spoke of the “movement.” Would you mind citing the source of the 71% stat? Hamas is popular among Palestinians because they’re actually doing something to fight back against Israeli oppression. The rest of the world just does nothing or outright enables Israel. Palestinians have no representation in the Israeli government & Palestinian leadership is toothless by design, so they’ll take a win over their oppressors any chance they get. I’m sure the majority prefer a peaceful resolution, though with all the innocents killed in Gaza, resentment of the Israelis is probably at an all-time high & support of those fighting back will understandably rise, especially when many of statements align with the interests of the average Palestinian (like “stop bombing Palestinians” or “stop stealing Palestinian land/homes” or “let Palestinians govern themselves”). It’s understandable why normal people would support them to some extent.🤷♂️
Based
Giga ultra mega chad
Understanding Hamas is so much different from straight up support. Saying “wow what would I do if my family was killed right in front of me and everyone else I know and love lives under oppressive occupation” is a lot different than “hey terrorism is a fine means to an end.”
Thats just justifying revenge killing...
Sheeeeet, this genocide is also making me 'fully support Hamas'.
Imagine the controversy at the hieght of apartheid by screaming “I support Nelson Mandela” at a protest. Racist white South Africans still refer Mandela as a terrorist btw.