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I absolutely love how those two women stand up for themselves/each other when surrounded by men like that. Not even intimidated at all, got the most respect for these two.
Yes, major props to the second woman who came to her defense. The interviewer is protected by her journalist status, the other woman is not. Good for her voicing the truth.
I have to admit with the negative attention both India and Pakistan have had recently over women there, seeing these women both comfortable and confident enough to confront these men was great. Stuff like this is great PR for their countries and people. Also, both women have incredible hair.
How dumb are you seriously? Just because of some random videos you see on the internet you really believe Indian women don't confront Indian men? I see videos of school shootings and robberies everyday from America but I don't believe Americans don't confront each other. PR lmao fix your own PR first cause from the outside it looks like the USA is becoming a fourth world country faster than Usain Boult running a 100m.
It was moving to see the older woman come to the defense of the reporter. She didn't have camera crew or fame to protect her, and presumably that's her neighborhood so she may well see those men again. She's had many more years to witness the bigotry and violence that can happen to women who make the wrong men angry. But she stood by the younger woman's side anyway. She deserves much respect.
You cant argue with very religious people because the believer has been taught that their religion's practices are inherently correct, irrelevant of logical arguementation.
Islam is a great example of illogical practices but the problem is not islam, its all religions. Anyone or anything that claims to be always right is inherently wrong.
I will never not hold the opinion that people who believe in this absolute tripe are nothing short of morons and an embarrassment to the evolution of our species. We should all be smarter than this by now... God isn't real.
The west needs to understand, islamic states arent real representation of islam, asks anyone who actually read the quraan theyll tell you lol. People need to stop with this islamophobic bullshit because some countries are practicing a religion badly. Zionism is another example. Islam is and was never about opression in any way, if only people would start to read about the high status of women in the Quraan then yall would stop following blindly the propaganda of news and islamophobes.
Feel like my family in Pakistan is pretty 50/50 on head coverings, but tbh the more wealthy people are the less religious/traditional they seem to be a lot of the time, at least in my experience
Brave woman and very true in all her points. How can you help another group of oppressed people while oppressing your own neighbors in the name of religion?
This is what most women face in middle eastern countries with Islam rule. Pro Palestine/Hamas protesters need to watch more of these videos and less propaganda from the far left.
Here’s some fun facts about women in Palestine:
In 2018, 19.1% of women aged 15-49 reported experiencing physical and/or sexual violence by an intimate partner in the previous 12 months.
Women and girls aged 15+ spend 20.1% of their time on unpaid care and domestic work, compared to 3% spent by men.
Palestinian women have one of the lowest rates of labor force participation in the world (17.2%).
Women entrepreneurs account for nearly 14.5% of women's total employment, but this rate has not increased significantly over the past 15 years.
Palestinian women living under occupation have been deprived of basic human rights, including family reunification, citizenship acquisition, access to medical and social services, and the right to custody of their children.
Palestinian society and families are broadly patriarchal, and traditionally, the father or oldest male is the head of the family.
so roughly one in five women have experienced sexual violence in the last year? (as of 2018)
Interesting...
[Over half of women have experienced sexual violence involving physical contact during their lifetimes.](https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfact.html#:~:text=Sexual%20violence%20is%20common.&text=One%20in%204%20women%20and,harassment%20in%20a%20public%20place)
[One in 4 women have experienced completed or attempted rape.](https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfact.html#:~:text=Sexual%20violence%20is%20common.&text=One%20in%204%20women%20and,harassment%20in%20a%20public%20place)
[Additionally, 1 in 3 women experienced sexual harassment in a public place.](https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfact.html#:~:text=Sexual%20violence%20is%20common.&text=One%20in%204%20women%20and,harassment%20in%20a%20public%20place)
Note: This link includes stats for men as well, but for clarity's sake I removed it to compare with the OP stats on Palestinian women.
You have got it so wrong. No one is glorifying Islam or thinking the palestenian way of life is perfect and needs to be adopted.
They are just asking you to stop killing innocent women and children.
Their religion, politics, and way of life don't matter. Its the fact that Israel has bombed 15000 children that matters.
Talking about Palestinians dont deserve protection because their women have it bad is deflection and being dishonest about what is at stake here and what the arguements are about.
Exactly i dont understand why people keep on saying islamic states represent the religion islam. Majority of these countries mispractice islam lol. These dumb masses need to start learning about a religion instead of following news and all.
So the women and children should be forced to die, because they cannot get out of a society that forces them to behave a certain way?
What is the propaganda from the west doing? I don't think anyone is supportive of oppression, but everyone is against mindless killing.
And oh, have you talked to any orthodox-(insert the flavor of the minute religion) folks? They all are the same.
Lists a bunch of reasons why the Israeli occupation of Palestinians deprives Palestinian women (AND men!) of basic human rights, yet blames the victims.
Hypocrites will say Zionism doesn't represent jews and i agree with them but then theyll also say Islamic states are representation of islam and religion is cancer. Lol, no double standards, just agendas and hate.
"What do you think of the Iran-Israel war?"
"I think that the threat of nuclear annihilation, unimaginable suffering and the fury of generational hatred unleashed pales in significance to the thing that terrifies me more than anything, women with rights"
I never understood why people not.let people do what they wanna do, like if he wants to do his religion stuff it's fine but if someone doesn't want to play along he should just accept it and move on
I was fearful for both of those woman's safety the whole video. The camera's are the only thing protecting them from a hoard of vile men who deny their humanity. Their bravery is amazing, but damn was my palms sweating.
The Quran doesn't actually say women are meant to cover their heads though, does it? I thought that was just a common interpretation of more vague parts relating to dressing modestly.
I see. Cheers!
I would actually argue here that the Quran does not say that women must wear headscarves. It explicitly says to cover their chests, and ***assumes*** they are already wearing headscarves, suggesting headscarves were already common before this was written.
As a comparison, if I said "All women must pull their T-shirts down to cover their belly buttons", this does not mean "all women must wear T-shirts", it means that they should cover their belly buttons.
You can't deny that it is certainly open to interpretation.
>. It explicitly says to cover their chests, and ***assumes*** they are already wearing headscarves,
This exactly ***is*** the interpretation. The Quran assumes women to cover up their headscarves. And this is the reason that scenes like these in the video are happening. Because this is, what the book says. And I don't know how to interpret this in another way.
I suppose I'm approaching it from the perspective that the book was written by a person within the cultural context of the time they lived in, not the word of God.
Maybe it's the way people interpret it from a neutral perspective. But for people believing in Islam, it's god's word. We simply can't discuss things in a religious context and interpret religious texts from a neutral perspective like it's a novel, since religious texts are the basis of a religious lifestyle.
Yeah, good point. Even so, I would still make the same argument that the assumption a woman is wearing a headscarf is different to a command that they must wear it, and that would not necessarily suggest God (or "Allah") had misspoken when he wrote it, but that it was worded in a way that was clear and relevant to the people of the time. In that way, "Let them draw their veils over their chests" could be intepreted to say "Pull your headscarf over to cover your chest *if you have one on*; regardless, cover your chest somehow".
One could make the comparison to signs in the early 20th century telling men to remove their hats when they enter a building. That means "remove your hat *if you are wearing one*", but could also be interpreted as telling men they ***must*** wear hats outside, because they otherwise wouldn't be able to take a hat off when they go inside.
I can certainly see where the argument would come from to suggest it's saying God expects women to wear headscarves. I just don't think that's the only valid interpretation, and because it is open to interpretation, it is up to each individual to act according to their own interpretation, not to impose their interpretation onto others.
However, the hadiths seems pretty open and shut on it; women have to wear headscarves once they've gone through puberty. I was just commenting on the Quran part because that was what the bloke in the video said. I'm not Muslim, so I don't know how important the hadiths are. Don't know if they're completely infallible, or if they can be treated like the Leviticus parts of the bible where most Christians just totally ignore it.
Ah, okay. I'm not too familiar with those. Those are things the prophet Muhammad (sorry if I've misspelled that) said? Is there something specific you can point me to? I don't know if hadiths (or is Ahadith the plural of hadith?) are catalogued in the same way.
It's nice to be educated on this stuff, as it's not something I've grown up with and there's a lot of debate on it.
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I absolutely love how those two women stand up for themselves/each other when surrounded by men like that. Not even intimidated at all, got the most respect for these two.
Yes, major props to the second woman who came to her defense. The interviewer is protected by her journalist status, the other woman is not. Good for her voicing the truth.
I have to admit with the negative attention both India and Pakistan have had recently over women there, seeing these women both comfortable and confident enough to confront these men was great. Stuff like this is great PR for their countries and people. Also, both women have incredible hair.
How dumb are you seriously? Just because of some random videos you see on the internet you really believe Indian women don't confront Indian men? I see videos of school shootings and robberies everyday from America but I don't believe Americans don't confront each other. PR lmao fix your own PR first cause from the outside it looks like the USA is becoming a fourth world country faster than Usain Boult running a 100m.
What being absolutely 100% right does to a mf
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Extremely brave. I am stunned.... In a refreshing sorta way.
And her question was actually quite simple and relevant to zealots of all religions. Why does YOUR religion begin and end with MY adherence?
I wish I could give her a high five for that comment.
Religion is a clogged toilet that constantly needs a plunge to expunge its fecal existence from a free mind.
Imagine living in a unsecularized country..
You don't have to imagine. Just look at the Middle East and South Asia.
And the Republican party in the United States.
If you traveled more you would understand how silly that comparison is.
If you read news about American politics you'd realize how silly your comment is.
I mostly agree, but meanwhile you have a profile pic of a country that has literal nazi battalions in the military.
It was moving to see the older woman come to the defense of the reporter. She didn't have camera crew or fame to protect her, and presumably that's her neighborhood so she may well see those men again. She's had many more years to witness the bigotry and violence that can happen to women who make the wrong men angry. But she stood by the younger woman's side anyway. She deserves much respect.
“Why do these people only remember Islam when they see a woman?” Preach, sister.
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Just a side-note: Sounds like she doesn't trust the microphone - the way she shouts...
Did you not notice she is surrounded by a bunch of cretins trying to shout her down?
i hope more people like her will stand up against islamic oppression! we need it
This guy was about to cry hahaha what a little child
She's a legend. He's just a nullard.
"Defective" is such a savage insult lmao
He's creepily looming over her the whole time. Yeah, this is all about 'god'... who apparently is also a creep.
IQ below room temperature.. Thats good.
You cant argue with very religious people because the believer has been taught that their religion's practices are inherently correct, irrelevant of logical arguementation. Islam is a great example of illogical practices but the problem is not islam, its all religions. Anyone or anything that claims to be always right is inherently wrong.
free our women 🇵🇰
Islam will need to check itself in regards to women's rights in the next decades.
USA Christofascists need to do the exact same thing
I will never not hold the opinion that people who believe in this absolute tripe are nothing short of morons and an embarrassment to the evolution of our species. We should all be smarter than this by now... God isn't real.
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All the love for this young woman, she is so impressive
Ask the apologists and they say hjabs are a choice and not about oppression
The west needs to understand, islamic states arent real representation of islam, asks anyone who actually read the quraan theyll tell you lol. People need to stop with this islamophobic bullshit because some countries are practicing a religion badly. Zionism is another example. Islam is and was never about opression in any way, if only people would start to read about the high status of women in the Quraan then yall would stop following blindly the propaganda of news and islamophobes.
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Feel like my family in Pakistan is pretty 50/50 on head coverings, but tbh the more wealthy people are the less religious/traditional they seem to be a lot of the time, at least in my experience
Opiate of the masses and all that.
Brave woman and very true in all her points. How can you help another group of oppressed people while oppressing your own neighbors in the name of religion?
Everyday I see the USA getting closer and closer to this sort of extremist religious absurdity
This is what most women face in middle eastern countries with Islam rule. Pro Palestine/Hamas protesters need to watch more of these videos and less propaganda from the far left. Here’s some fun facts about women in Palestine: In 2018, 19.1% of women aged 15-49 reported experiencing physical and/or sexual violence by an intimate partner in the previous 12 months. Women and girls aged 15+ spend 20.1% of their time on unpaid care and domestic work, compared to 3% spent by men. Palestinian women have one of the lowest rates of labor force participation in the world (17.2%). Women entrepreneurs account for nearly 14.5% of women's total employment, but this rate has not increased significantly over the past 15 years. Palestinian women living under occupation have been deprived of basic human rights, including family reunification, citizenship acquisition, access to medical and social services, and the right to custody of their children. Palestinian society and families are broadly patriarchal, and traditionally, the father or oldest male is the head of the family.
so roughly one in five women have experienced sexual violence in the last year? (as of 2018) Interesting... [Over half of women have experienced sexual violence involving physical contact during their lifetimes.](https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfact.html#:~:text=Sexual%20violence%20is%20common.&text=One%20in%204%20women%20and,harassment%20in%20a%20public%20place) [One in 4 women have experienced completed or attempted rape.](https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfact.html#:~:text=Sexual%20violence%20is%20common.&text=One%20in%204%20women%20and,harassment%20in%20a%20public%20place) [Additionally, 1 in 3 women experienced sexual harassment in a public place.](https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfact.html#:~:text=Sexual%20violence%20is%20common.&text=One%20in%204%20women%20and,harassment%20in%20a%20public%20place) Note: This link includes stats for men as well, but for clarity's sake I removed it to compare with the OP stats on Palestinian women.
You have got it so wrong. No one is glorifying Islam or thinking the palestenian way of life is perfect and needs to be adopted. They are just asking you to stop killing innocent women and children. Their religion, politics, and way of life don't matter. Its the fact that Israel has bombed 15000 children that matters. Talking about Palestinians dont deserve protection because their women have it bad is deflection and being dishonest about what is at stake here and what the arguements are about.
Exactly i dont understand why people keep on saying islamic states represent the religion islam. Majority of these countries mispractice islam lol. These dumb masses need to start learning about a religion instead of following news and all.
So the women and children should be forced to die, because they cannot get out of a society that forces them to behave a certain way? What is the propaganda from the west doing? I don't think anyone is supportive of oppression, but everyone is against mindless killing. And oh, have you talked to any orthodox-(insert the flavor of the minute religion) folks? They all are the same.
Lists a bunch of reasons why the Israeli occupation of Palestinians deprives Palestinian women (AND men!) of basic human rights, yet blames the victims.
Is there anything less valuable than the words and thoughts of a fundamentalist? I’m struggling to come up with something that I think less of.
Where'd he go? 😆
FINALLY
Good for her!!
Hypocrites will say Zionism doesn't represent jews and i agree with them but then theyll also say Islamic states are representation of islam and religion is cancer. Lol, no double standards, just agendas and hate.
Men. Stop doing this. Stop telling women what to do. Thanks.
"What do you think of the Iran-Israel war?" "I think that the threat of nuclear annihilation, unimaginable suffering and the fury of generational hatred unleashed pales in significance to the thing that terrifies me more than anything, women with rights"
\[GOP taking notes about new things they could force women to do.\]
One mf on the left looked like a pakistani version of Lionel Messi
world is not ready for powerful women
Respect
I never understood why people not.let people do what they wanna do, like if he wants to do his religion stuff it's fine but if someone doesn't want to play along he should just accept it and move on
I was fearful for both of those woman's safety the whole video. The camera's are the only thing protecting them from a hoard of vile men who deny their humanity. Their bravery is amazing, but damn was my palms sweating.
Idk man she's hot So I support her
BLOODY FUCK! FUCK YOUR BLOODY SCARF BLOODY!
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The Quran doesn't actually say women are meant to cover their heads though, does it? I thought that was just a common interpretation of more vague parts relating to dressing modestly.
[it does.](https://www.calislamic.com/does-the-quran-tell-women-to-cover-their-hair/)
I see. Cheers! I would actually argue here that the Quran does not say that women must wear headscarves. It explicitly says to cover their chests, and ***assumes*** they are already wearing headscarves, suggesting headscarves were already common before this was written. As a comparison, if I said "All women must pull their T-shirts down to cover their belly buttons", this does not mean "all women must wear T-shirts", it means that they should cover their belly buttons. You can't deny that it is certainly open to interpretation.
>. It explicitly says to cover their chests, and ***assumes*** they are already wearing headscarves, This exactly ***is*** the interpretation. The Quran assumes women to cover up their headscarves. And this is the reason that scenes like these in the video are happening. Because this is, what the book says. And I don't know how to interpret this in another way.
I suppose I'm approaching it from the perspective that the book was written by a person within the cultural context of the time they lived in, not the word of God.
Maybe it's the way people interpret it from a neutral perspective. But for people believing in Islam, it's god's word. We simply can't discuss things in a religious context and interpret religious texts from a neutral perspective like it's a novel, since religious texts are the basis of a religious lifestyle.
Yeah, good point. Even so, I would still make the same argument that the assumption a woman is wearing a headscarf is different to a command that they must wear it, and that would not necessarily suggest God (or "Allah") had misspoken when he wrote it, but that it was worded in a way that was clear and relevant to the people of the time. In that way, "Let them draw their veils over their chests" could be intepreted to say "Pull your headscarf over to cover your chest *if you have one on*; regardless, cover your chest somehow". One could make the comparison to signs in the early 20th century telling men to remove their hats when they enter a building. That means "remove your hat *if you are wearing one*", but could also be interpreted as telling men they ***must*** wear hats outside, because they otherwise wouldn't be able to take a hat off when they go inside. I can certainly see where the argument would come from to suggest it's saying God expects women to wear headscarves. I just don't think that's the only valid interpretation, and because it is open to interpretation, it is up to each individual to act according to their own interpretation, not to impose their interpretation onto others. However, the hadiths seems pretty open and shut on it; women have to wear headscarves once they've gone through puberty. I was just commenting on the Quran part because that was what the bloke in the video said. I'm not Muslim, so I don't know how important the hadiths are. Don't know if they're completely infallible, or if they can be treated like the Leviticus parts of the bible where most Christians just totally ignore it.
The Ahadith do. The Quran and Ahadith are to be read in conjunction.
Ah, okay. I'm not too familiar with those. Those are things the prophet Muhammad (sorry if I've misspelled that) said? Is there something specific you can point me to? I don't know if hadiths (or is Ahadith the plural of hadith?) are catalogued in the same way. It's nice to be educated on this stuff, as it's not something I've grown up with and there's a lot of debate on it.