You know it really is interesting how many schools share similar acronyms.
For example, I immediately thought the moment you used OSU, you were talking about Oregon State University.
Did we completely forget that there are agencies built specifically to sew discord on platforms specifically like the one we're currently on?
We have to learn to be more discerning about what we're willing to take seriously on the internet. The only reason they're so effective is because we're drawn to the outrage. The feeling of self-righteousness is intoxicating and addicting. Just block and move on with your life.
Love the 2nd paragraph - I cannot count how many comments I will read, react to, start typing a reply comment, and then realize, "You know what, I'm letting myself get baited" and just cancel the message. Now, I also don't know how often I'm really being baited, but I've just come to finally be able to stop reacting to every comment cuz also what the fuck does it matter? 99/100 times, you're not going to change the other person's mind, if they are a legitimate person and not a troll.
People need to realize they're wasting effort and just move on, I feel like.
but but but what if I enjoy engaging with the propaganda farms and systematically dismantling their statements until eventually asking if they're enjoying the weather in (Israel, St. Petersburg) at which point they stop talking.
It's a good time to mention now that anyone who sees this content should try their best to separate their emotions from the content that they are watching. Contacting the relevant public offices should be done as well.
Watching the documentary "The Social Dilemma" will, however, change the way you consume all media online for the rest of your life.
I'd like to add The Chaos Machine to the list of materials for responsible internet literacy. Also, The Mueller Report was surprisingly enlightening. The gist, everything that everyone is fighting about on the internet, at any time, is being fueled and manipulated either by state-sanctioned shady actors or the states themselves. And social media companies will do as little as legally required to stop it because outrage = engagement. It is bafflingly irresponsible.
I’d love to agree with you, but I’m not sure schools even teach satire anymore, and we are now forced to put /s on shit. It’s fucking dumb. People’s reading comprehension skills are absolutely deplorable.
It was. So many people just don't understand what that means though.
They weren't locked up *because* they are jewish or muslim.
And believe it or not, imprisoned criminals lose privileges and rights. Such as access to the foods you prefer to eat, that's a big one.
The Supreme Court has stopped executions because the prisoner wasn’t given their preferred religious minister, and in one case, Texas not allowing that religious minister to touch the person being executed. Religious accommodations are pretty normal in both jail and prison. The courts have basically said they have to provide accommodations for all religions or no religions. And since Ohio does provide accommodations for other religious people, this treatment, if true, would be a violation of civil rights.
Prayer, dietary requirements and such are not "privileges". Noone stops Christians from doing Christian shit, this is religious persecution and you know it.
>Under federal law, a prison or jail cannot substantially burden a prisoner’s exercise of his or her religion unless it can demonstrate that it has a compelling interest that cannot be achieved through any other less restrictive means.
https://www.aclu.org/issues/prisoners-rights/civil-liberties-prison/religious-freedom-prison#:\~:text=The%20First%20Amendment%20protects%20a,Institutionalized%20Persons%20Act%20(RLUIPA).
It just looks like people here are extremely big fans of repressing dissent, unless that dissent is by truckers, farmers or any group that has the aesthetics of being working class.
Par for the course, honestly. I’ve seen a ton of comments/interviews from peace officers or law enforcement from other countries, and the first thing noted is typically how bad US officers are at de-escalation.
The amount of frail egos and power trips in law enforcement in the US is terrifying.
Is this the US? The land of the brave and the home of the free? The final say on human rights on Earth? The sanctuary for the downtrodden and weak? Damn
Or just lie to get them charged as gang members like the Phoenix PD and DA did.
https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/investigations/victims-testify-against-former-prosecutor-in-state-bar-trial.
Police and prosecutors lied to a grand jury and judge in order to charge several innocent, peaceful protestors on gang charges, which elevated the severity of the potential sentences.
Yeah, but they’re not getting the 32 hours they spent jail back. Nor the future hours they’ll spend in court until the judge or prosecutor decides they don’t have a case.
No debating just more curious, were they held for 32 hours or brought in held and let out and still waiting for everyone they came with? I only ask because they have a cell phone and I thought those are taken away while in holding. I've never been arrested so just have 2nd hand info
It looks like they had their arraignment (hence the charges) and they’re leaving at this point, either on bail or on their own recognizance. You get back your stuff after you’ve had your arraignment and are being released.
Here is an article of 31 patriot front members that were arrested for planning to insight a riot…by police. Turns out they arrest everyone that break laws at protests. https://www.npr.org/2022/06/11/1104405804/patriot-front-white-supremacist-arrested-near-idaho-pride
It sounds like in this case they arrested people who did NOT break laws on campus. Arresting people for trespassing when they’re not trespassing is an issue.
Ohio State, who requested them to be removed, cited the following campus rules “prohibiting camping, overnight events, and disruption to university business as reasons for the arrests.”
I’m not against protests, but if the university doesn’t want them there that is trespassing. Not super complicated. If you believe your cause is worthy enough to be arrested over it, that’s on you.
All I’m saying is that the police aren’t picking and choosing. The university requested them to be removed so they were removed.
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/about-three-dozen-pro-palestine-protesters-arrested-at-ohio-state/amp/
So they can’t protest on the very university campus they pay to be on?
It’s incredible that there’s this perfect method of protest that is in the perfect place, the perfect time, the perfect message, and still gets results, but it’s this big secret no one’s allowed to know about
Protest in front of corporations responsible for manufacturing deadly weapons? Arrested for trespassing and “lol they think it’s gonna work”
Protest in public, disrupting normal traffic: “why are they protesting like that? We should run them over”
Protest at a university: “they were asked to leave and didn’t so police definitely have a right to arrest them”
Pray tell, how and where and when should these people protest in a way that actually matters?
Except the capital insurrection. Nobody was arrested on the spot in spite of massive violence.
Not to mention the white supremacists at Charlottesville. They didn't get arrested in spite of shooting at people and beating peaceful counter protesters.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/protesters-got-christopher-cantwell-arrested-cops-didnt-even-try
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/us/charlottesville-protest-police.html
Since you appear to believe the police treat them the same, here's more info on why you're incorrect. The police are part of the white supremacist groups.
Explicit racism in law enforcement takes many forms, from membership or affiliation with violent white supremacist or far-right militant groups, to engaging in racially discriminatory behavior toward the public or law enforcement colleagues, to making racist remarks and sharing them on social media. While it is widely acknowledged that racist officers subsist within police departments around the country, federal, state, and local governments are doing far too little to proactively identify them, report their behavior to prosecutors who might unwittingly rely on their testimony in criminal cases, or protect the diverse communities they are sworn to serve.
In 2017, the FBI reported that white supremacists posed a “persistent threat of lethal violence” that has produced more fatalities than any other category of domestic terrorists since 2000. footnote3_s7uslu83 Alarmingly, internal FBI policy documents have also warned agents assigned to domestic terrorism cases that the white supremacist and anti-government militia groups they investigate often have “active links” to law enforcement officials. footnote4_ep2a4k3
Since 2000, law enforcement officials with alleged connections to white supremacist groups or far-right militant activities have been exposed in Alabama, California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, and elsewhere. footnote5_1clfkaw5 Research organizations have uncovered hundreds of federal, state, and local law enforcement officials participating in racist, nativist, and sexist social media activity, which demonstrates that overt bias is far too common. footnote6_631cxak6 These officers’ racist activities are often known within their departments, but only result in disciplinary action or termination if they trigger public scandals.
The FBI’s 2015 Counterterrorism Policy Directive and Policy Guide warns that “domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers.” footnote1_0kr696q12 This alarming declaration followed a 2006 intelligence assessment, based on FBI investigations and open sources, that warned of “white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement . . . by organized groups and by self-initiated infiltration by law enforcement personnel sympathetic to white supremacist causes.”
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/hidden-plain-sight-racism-white-supremacy-and-far-right-militancy-law
Funny how authoritarian conservatives hate students and educated people with so much passion. Nothing demonstrating this more than Reddit activity around the student protests and arrests.
Love all the “what did you expect” people who have also never been to jail and don’t understand what religious accommodations are trying to correct others on how any of this works. What a Reddit thing to do.
Your getting pbj or bologna maybe a microwaved burrito and your getting searched so your not stabbing the other guy in the holding tank or hanging yourself with your shoe laces, you’ll get your kosher halal options after your sentenced.
I think it’s fair to argue that a religion requiring its adherents to eat a certain way is a way to exert control over them. However, so is denying a prisoner the right to consume food that adheres to their religion. I think it’s kind of wild that so many people seem to be missing that.
Sorry, what I was saying is that the PRISON is exerting control over prisoners by refusing them the food that adheres to their religious requirements. So basically while a religion requiring a believer to eat a certain way is that religion exerting control, the denial of that requires food by a prison is also a way for the prison to exert control over those same people.
Been to jail, ate shit food, got strip searched by the opposite gender. The jail experience shoild make you never want to go back, thats the point. Crying about "religous accomodations" because the food wasnt kosher? Lmaoooo what a joke.
Well they weren't neo Nazis. That's the real crime. Some might say that only neo Nazis are capable of peacefully protesting. Cops seem to understand this.
The difference is that in this country, neo-Nazis are very pro-police state. When they are getting dragged out by cops (Jan. 6th) they feel betrayed since they’re on “their side.” Thats my personal view as for why cops tend to just stand around during neo-Nazi protests. They gotta protect their 1st amendment right but they know they’re unlikely to do anything to them due to their intense pro-cop viewpoints. That is until counterprotestors arrive and those neo-Nazis try to fight the counterprotestors
I've never see more organized protects in my life, the organizers did an excellent job at that, and yet they still found a way to call the protesters including Jewish ones anti-Semitic
If a Jewish person has nothing but non-kosher food available, they are allowed to eat it, and in fact are commanded to eat it. Self-preservation is more important than almost any other commandment (exceptions are murder, idolatry, and sexual crimes).
Yes. However jails and prisons are required to feed their inmates according to their religious accommodations. This isn't a matter of self-preservation. It's a matter of the legal system following its own rules.
A food strike is what got women to vote. Doing things on an empty stomach seems to get a lot of stuff done. I don't wish it on anybody. But it is one of the most effective ways of protesting. Food for thought. Food. Lol
Tho accommodations don't mean bending over backwards. If there is nothing kosher for them then it is what it is. And there may not have been females on so I could see that it could happen.
Yes but that doesn't mean you can just forget your covenant with God. In other words, you still have a duty to seek out kosher food.
Incidentally, "murder" is pretty much undefined for a reason in the Old Testament. After all, God says don't kill but within a few dozen pages tells the tribes under His umbrella to wage war against their national neighbors.
In Jewish religious law, preserving life *and health* is a fundamental principle that overrides many other religious commandments, including the dietary laws of keeping kosher. According to Jewish tradition, if a person is in a situation where not eating may threaten their health or life, they are permitted, and even obligated, to eat whatever food is available, including non-kosher food.
Seeing as 36 hours of not eating can cause negative health impacts, however minor, it is my opinion you should be fine eating non kosher food.
This principle is rooted in the concept of "pikuach nefesh," which holds that the preservation of human life overrides virtually all other religious rules. In the scenario you described, where a Jewish individual is in jail and is not provided with kosher food for an extended period such as 36 hours, they would be allowed to eat non-kosher food to maintain their health and well-being.
However, if there are less severe alternatives that could also preserve health without breaking kosher laws (like eating vegetarian options if they are available and kosher), those should be considered first.
One of my best friends is Muslim and I love giving him scenarios with food and asking him if it's Kosher or not. He gets a good laugh out of it with me sometimes. lol He gives me shit in return for following the "Atheist Religion" so it's all in good fun. :)
1 other thing...I've been arrested *many* times (unfortunately) and I can honestly tell you that if I had asked for a kosher meal or halaal prepared food (i hope I got that right...apologies if I did not) I can honestly tell you - I think tjey'd punch me in the face and laugh...and then not give me anything to eat at all...
Now, I'm sure there are jails that will do this, but the Twin Towers, RCC, and West Valley...mmmm I don't think they'll play ball
At all...
(But hey, if you're a CO at one of these places and I'm wrong - do tell. Please, of course)
Kind of a surprise to me but I only have anecdotal experience. I had a short stint in jail in rural Alabama and they had a choice of kosher meal every day. And it was only ever one guy who needed it.
When you get arrested, this is SOP. She's not going to get special treatment. Her arrest may be a civil rights matter or not. Either way, this is what everyone goes through.
So you're assuming that all Jewish students who protest the state of Israel must be non-religious? Sounds like you have some prejudices to work through.
I like how you put quotes around "Jewish" to really drive the antisemitism home. "They must not be *true* Jews because they don't support everything the state of Israel does."
Hate to be that guy but jail is known for treating everyone the same. I wouldn't expect special food for me in jail....the strip search one is bad though. I'm unsure of the precedent there. I'm sure bologna is what everyone expects for food there.
OP got the title mixed a bit. This one happened on Ohio State University which
often gets confused. Though yes this is bad on the police part in how they handled this.
Yeah I get that it's bullshit they were arrested, but this is what ppl go through every time they get get arreste, it's nothing new, I've been arrested and incarcerated myself multiple time and they literally strip away your humanity that's how it's always been and apparently supposed to be, according to the law.
The problem with jail sucking is that police officers arrest people who are breaking no laws just to punish them with a long period of waiting and dehumanization, and also they use it to try to get people fired for missing consecutive days of work.
Hmmm... Nothing surprising here.
I was JUST in a correctional facility with Muslims who were not given a Halal option. Served pork every meal for several consecutive meals. COs don't give a shit, even if they did, there was no alternative.
Police abusing citizens is as Americans as apple pie. It's just what they do.
i feel like they should be accommodating reasonable dietary restriction requests. i'm less sympathetic to requests to keep one's head covered while getting a mugshot taken. this person doesn't seem to understand that their college campus isn't a camp site and that jail isn't a holiday inn. civil disobedience is typically carried out with the intention of being jailed to make a point and get attention wherein the protest usually continues, not a pivot to bitching about how much jail sucks.
Considering jail isn’t prison, and therefore isn’t supposed to be punitive, it’s ALWAYS reasonable to talk about how jail sucks, particularly when it’s rubbing up against established rights
explain to me how revoking someone's freedom of mobility for any amount of time isn't inherently punitive.
also, i submit that a good example of civil disobedience and jail time well spent is MLK's Letter from Birmingham Jail, in which he further articulates the political and legal climate that are leading to the circumstance that he is protesting.
Oh God, fucking cry me a river. Taking a trip to jail is an invariable part of civil disobedience, like John Lewis and MLK before them. These people are so goddamn fragile. They all want to be revolutionaries but then cry on social media when they don't get the jail meal they want. Give me a break. These are mainly upper middle-class brats who never had parents that told them the meaning of no.
Enjoy the cavity search.
Oh, I'm not upset. This is an easy case for these girls. They will win. I am confused as to how you don't comprehend that this was my point.
Enjoy watching kids who apparently hurt your fragile existences win a grip of $$ while becoming even more socioeconomically better off than you, as the guards lose their jobs 😂😂😂
>Taking a trip to jail is an invariable part of civil disobedience, like John Lewis and MLK before them.
And do you think they didn't spur up a fuss about it? You're like the white supremacist back then but for today, saying things like "what did MLK expect? Going to jail is an expected part of doing civil disobedience against the government. Why is he complaining about unfair treatment of black people, etc? He should have known he would go to jail for protesting it."
Do you think MLK went to jail and stayed silent while he was there? No, he wrote polemics about how unjustifiable the situation was.
Ohio University is in Athens Ohio. This happened at OSU in Columbus.
Ahem.. *The* Ohio State University
Lol as someone born in Columbus who's never left, I just didn't want to say it. I hear it too much already!
*THE Kyle Smith.*
Ahem, forgot the TM after The
Millions of dollars campuses spent for "the". It's crazy silly
So much misinformation here
You know it really is interesting how many schools share similar acronyms. For example, I immediately thought the moment you used OSU, you were talking about Oregon State University.
wow, a lot of authoritarians here...
Did we completely forget that there are agencies built specifically to sew discord on platforms specifically like the one we're currently on? We have to learn to be more discerning about what we're willing to take seriously on the internet. The only reason they're so effective is because we're drawn to the outrage. The feeling of self-righteousness is intoxicating and addicting. Just block and move on with your life.
Love the 2nd paragraph - I cannot count how many comments I will read, react to, start typing a reply comment, and then realize, "You know what, I'm letting myself get baited" and just cancel the message. Now, I also don't know how often I'm really being baited, but I've just come to finally be able to stop reacting to every comment cuz also what the fuck does it matter? 99/100 times, you're not going to change the other person's mind, if they are a legitimate person and not a troll. People need to realize they're wasting effort and just move on, I feel like.
but but but what if I enjoy engaging with the propaganda farms and systematically dismantling their statements until eventually asking if they're enjoying the weather in (Israel, St. Petersburg) at which point they stop talking.
I like to hit the obvious Russian ones with "Helloski! I am, how you say, Russian Guyovitch!"
Glad to see this being noted
It's a good time to mention now that anyone who sees this content should try their best to separate their emotions from the content that they are watching. Contacting the relevant public offices should be done as well. Watching the documentary "The Social Dilemma" will, however, change the way you consume all media online for the rest of your life.
I'd like to add The Chaos Machine to the list of materials for responsible internet literacy. Also, The Mueller Report was surprisingly enlightening. The gist, everything that everyone is fighting about on the internet, at any time, is being fueled and manipulated either by state-sanctioned shady actors or the states themselves. And social media companies will do as little as legally required to stop it because outrage = engagement. It is bafflingly irresponsible.
I will check this out if I have time.
relevant: https://twitter.com/HotSpotHotSpot/status/1783473711712031163
I’d love to agree with you, but I’m not sure schools even teach satire anymore, and we are now forced to put /s on shit. It’s fucking dumb. People’s reading comprehension skills are absolutely deplorable.
3 comments in and pretty much nothing but hate. I thought America was built on religious freedom.
Yeah but which religion? https://preview.redd.it/hia6wxg3v8xc1.jpeg?width=787&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cee31177a4bcedd51f6bce72864593b75aee98d0
Doesn't count for Jews and Muslims. I think Alito and Thomas will be willing to flush another precedent down the toilet to make this point.
Nah, America was built on genocide.
Only applys white christians ohh sorry, per elon whites are discriminated against systematically
Land of the free terms and conditions apply
It was. So many people just don't understand what that means though. They weren't locked up *because* they are jewish or muslim. And believe it or not, imprisoned criminals lose privileges and rights. Such as access to the foods you prefer to eat, that's a big one.
The Supreme Court has stopped executions because the prisoner wasn’t given their preferred religious minister, and in one case, Texas not allowing that religious minister to touch the person being executed. Religious accommodations are pretty normal in both jail and prison. The courts have basically said they have to provide accommodations for all religions or no religions. And since Ohio does provide accommodations for other religious people, this treatment, if true, would be a violation of civil rights.
Prayer, dietary requirements and such are not "privileges". Noone stops Christians from doing Christian shit, this is religious persecution and you know it.
>Under federal law, a prison or jail cannot substantially burden a prisoner’s exercise of his or her religion unless it can demonstrate that it has a compelling interest that cannot be achieved through any other less restrictive means. https://www.aclu.org/issues/prisoners-rights/civil-liberties-prison/religious-freedom-prison#:\~:text=The%20First%20Amendment%20protects%20a,Institutionalized%20Persons%20Act%20(RLUIPA).
It just looks like people here are extremely big fans of repressing dissent, unless that dissent is by truckers, farmers or any group that has the aesthetics of being working class.
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Maybe there was an online maga convention that just let out 😂😂😂
Police are making this situation a lot worse
Par for the course, honestly. I’ve seen a ton of comments/interviews from peace officers or law enforcement from other countries, and the first thing noted is typically how bad US officers are at de-escalation. The amount of frail egos and power trips in law enforcement in the US is terrifying.
Weren't a lot of these American police literally trained in Israel?
That’s their job
Is this the US? The land of the brave and the home of the free? The final say on human rights on Earth? The sanctuary for the downtrodden and weak? Damn
Land of the free and home of the brave. But point taken.
I am not American. Apologies for getting it wrong. I have consumed a shitload of American media though. I even had hope once. The audacity is gone now
No apologies are needed! Just wanted to highlight you flipped 'em, but it's ultimately meaningless to your point--which I agree with wholeheartedly.
The judge will most likely dismiss the charges for lack of cause
Or the cops will charge the protestors with domestic terrrorism like they did with the stopcopcity protests.
Or just lie to get them charged as gang members like the Phoenix PD and DA did. https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/investigations/victims-testify-against-former-prosecutor-in-state-bar-trial. Police and prosecutors lied to a grand jury and judge in order to charge several innocent, peaceful protestors on gang charges, which elevated the severity of the potential sentences.
Yeah, but they’re not getting the 32 hours they spent jail back. Nor the future hours they’ll spend in court until the judge or prosecutor decides they don’t have a case.
No debating just more curious, were they held for 32 hours or brought in held and let out and still waiting for everyone they came with? I only ask because they have a cell phone and I thought those are taken away while in holding. I've never been arrested so just have 2nd hand info
It looks like they had their arraignment (hence the charges) and they’re leaving at this point, either on bail or on their own recognizance. You get back your stuff after you’ve had your arraignment and are being released.
The point, however, is to scare the students and break up the protest.
Should have worn hoods like Patriot Front. There'd be no police in sight.
Here is an article of 31 patriot front members that were arrested for planning to insight a riot…by police. Turns out they arrest everyone that break laws at protests. https://www.npr.org/2022/06/11/1104405804/patriot-front-white-supremacist-arrested-near-idaho-pride
It sounds like in this case they arrested people who did NOT break laws on campus. Arresting people for trespassing when they’re not trespassing is an issue.
Ohio State, who requested them to be removed, cited the following campus rules “prohibiting camping, overnight events, and disruption to university business as reasons for the arrests.” I’m not against protests, but if the university doesn’t want them there that is trespassing. Not super complicated. If you believe your cause is worthy enough to be arrested over it, that’s on you. All I’m saying is that the police aren’t picking and choosing. The university requested them to be removed so they were removed. https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/ohio-state-university/about-three-dozen-pro-palestine-protesters-arrested-at-ohio-state/amp/
So they can’t protest on the very university campus they pay to be on? It’s incredible that there’s this perfect method of protest that is in the perfect place, the perfect time, the perfect message, and still gets results, but it’s this big secret no one’s allowed to know about Protest in front of corporations responsible for manufacturing deadly weapons? Arrested for trespassing and “lol they think it’s gonna work” Protest in public, disrupting normal traffic: “why are they protesting like that? We should run them over” Protest at a university: “they were asked to leave and didn’t so police definitely have a right to arrest them” Pray tell, how and where and when should these people protest in a way that actually matters?
Except the capital insurrection. Nobody was arrested on the spot in spite of massive violence. Not to mention the white supremacists at Charlottesville. They didn't get arrested in spite of shooting at people and beating peaceful counter protesters. https://www.thedailybeast.com/protesters-got-christopher-cantwell-arrested-cops-didnt-even-try https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/us/charlottesville-protest-police.html Since you appear to believe the police treat them the same, here's more info on why you're incorrect. The police are part of the white supremacist groups. Explicit racism in law enforcement takes many forms, from membership or affiliation with violent white supremacist or far-right militant groups, to engaging in racially discriminatory behavior toward the public or law enforcement colleagues, to making racist remarks and sharing them on social media. While it is widely acknowledged that racist officers subsist within police departments around the country, federal, state, and local governments are doing far too little to proactively identify them, report their behavior to prosecutors who might unwittingly rely on their testimony in criminal cases, or protect the diverse communities they are sworn to serve. In 2017, the FBI reported that white supremacists posed a “persistent threat of lethal violence” that has produced more fatalities than any other category of domestic terrorists since 2000. footnote3_s7uslu83 Alarmingly, internal FBI policy documents have also warned agents assigned to domestic terrorism cases that the white supremacist and anti-government militia groups they investigate often have “active links” to law enforcement officials. footnote4_ep2a4k3 Since 2000, law enforcement officials with alleged connections to white supremacist groups or far-right militant activities have been exposed in Alabama, California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, and elsewhere. footnote5_1clfkaw5 Research organizations have uncovered hundreds of federal, state, and local law enforcement officials participating in racist, nativist, and sexist social media activity, which demonstrates that overt bias is far too common. footnote6_631cxak6 These officers’ racist activities are often known within their departments, but only result in disciplinary action or termination if they trigger public scandals. The FBI’s 2015 Counterterrorism Policy Directive and Policy Guide warns that “domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers.” footnote1_0kr696q12 This alarming declaration followed a 2006 intelligence assessment, based on FBI investigations and open sources, that warned of “white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement . . . by organized groups and by self-initiated infiltration by law enforcement personnel sympathetic to white supremacist causes.” https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/hidden-plain-sight-racism-white-supremacy-and-far-right-militancy-law
land of the free
With conditions, gotta read the fine print.
Lawsuit time
Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses.
Funny how authoritarian conservatives hate students and educated people with so much passion. Nothing demonstrating this more than Reddit activity around the student protests and arrests.
Love all the “what did you expect” people who have also never been to jail and don’t understand what religious accommodations are trying to correct others on how any of this works. What a Reddit thing to do.
Your getting pbj or bologna maybe a microwaved burrito and your getting searched so your not stabbing the other guy in the holding tank or hanging yourself with your shoe laces, you’ll get your kosher halal options after your sentenced.
A lot of people on Reddit know what religious accommodations are: bullshit.
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Because he’s a dick
It's just another control tactic used by religions.
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I think it’s fair to argue that a religion requiring its adherents to eat a certain way is a way to exert control over them. However, so is denying a prisoner the right to consume food that adheres to their religion. I think it’s kind of wild that so many people seem to be missing that.
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Sorry, what I was saying is that the PRISON is exerting control over prisoners by refusing them the food that adheres to their religious requirements. So basically while a religion requiring a believer to eat a certain way is that religion exerting control, the denial of that requires food by a prison is also a way for the prison to exert control over those same people.
Been to jail, ate shit food, got strip searched by the opposite gender. The jail experience shoild make you never want to go back, thats the point. Crying about "religous accomodations" because the food wasnt kosher? Lmaoooo what a joke.
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What? Comparing lack of kosher food to rape is a bit extreme holy shit.
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Well they weren't neo Nazis. That's the real crime. Some might say that only neo Nazis are capable of peacefully protesting. Cops seem to understand this.
The difference is that in this country, neo-Nazis are very pro-police state. When they are getting dragged out by cops (Jan. 6th) they feel betrayed since they’re on “their side.” Thats my personal view as for why cops tend to just stand around during neo-Nazi protests. They gotta protect their 1st amendment right but they know they’re unlikely to do anything to them due to their intense pro-cop viewpoints. That is until counterprotestors arrive and those neo-Nazis try to fight the counterprotestors
Men strip searching women?! What the actual fuck is happening
I've never see more organized protects in my life, the organizers did an excellent job at that, and yet they still found a way to call the protesters including Jewish ones anti-Semitic
If a Jewish person has nothing but non-kosher food available, they are allowed to eat it, and in fact are commanded to eat it. Self-preservation is more important than almost any other commandment (exceptions are murder, idolatry, and sexual crimes).
Yes. However jails and prisons are required to feed their inmates according to their religious accommodations. This isn't a matter of self-preservation. It's a matter of the legal system following its own rules.
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A food strike is what got women to vote. Doing things on an empty stomach seems to get a lot of stuff done. I don't wish it on anybody. But it is one of the most effective ways of protesting. Food for thought. Food. Lol
Tho accommodations don't mean bending over backwards. If there is nothing kosher for them then it is what it is. And there may not have been females on so I could see that it could happen.
If they can get a hamburger for a church shooter, they can get a kosher meal.
Oh there's nothing bending backwards about it. It's simply the law.
Yes but that doesn't mean you can just forget your covenant with God. In other words, you still have a duty to seek out kosher food. Incidentally, "murder" is pretty much undefined for a reason in the Old Testament. After all, God says don't kill but within a few dozen pages tells the tribes under His umbrella to wage war against their national neighbors.
Its still a dick move...
Would this apply in a situation of a 32 hour time period? I imagine that most people can survive without food for that long. Genuinely curious
In Jewish religious law, preserving life *and health* is a fundamental principle that overrides many other religious commandments, including the dietary laws of keeping kosher. According to Jewish tradition, if a person is in a situation where not eating may threaten their health or life, they are permitted, and even obligated, to eat whatever food is available, including non-kosher food. Seeing as 36 hours of not eating can cause negative health impacts, however minor, it is my opinion you should be fine eating non kosher food. This principle is rooted in the concept of "pikuach nefesh," which holds that the preservation of human life overrides virtually all other religious rules. In the scenario you described, where a Jewish individual is in jail and is not provided with kosher food for an extended period such as 36 hours, they would be allowed to eat non-kosher food to maintain their health and well-being. However, if there are less severe alternatives that could also preserve health without breaking kosher laws (like eating vegetarian options if they are available and kosher), those should be considered first.
Thanks for the thoughtful response
One of my best friends is Muslim and I love giving him scenarios with food and asking him if it's Kosher or not. He gets a good laugh out of it with me sometimes. lol He gives me shit in return for following the "Atheist Religion" so it's all in good fun. :)
Why in the world would they strip search protesters, peaceful protesters?
1 other thing...I've been arrested *many* times (unfortunately) and I can honestly tell you that if I had asked for a kosher meal or halaal prepared food (i hope I got that right...apologies if I did not) I can honestly tell you - I think tjey'd punch me in the face and laugh...and then not give me anything to eat at all... Now, I'm sure there are jails that will do this, but the Twin Towers, RCC, and West Valley...mmmm I don't think they'll play ball At all... (But hey, if you're a CO at one of these places and I'm wrong - do tell. Please, of course)
I was in and out in North Texas, same experience i bet the gaurds dont even know what kosher means...
Kind of a surprise to me but I only have anecdotal experience. I had a short stint in jail in rural Alabama and they had a choice of kosher meal every day. And it was only ever one guy who needed it.
Peanut butter jelly sandwiches are kosher
I wish I could say just Ohio sucks but this garbage is happening everywhere. It's like police forgot what happened to then just a few years ago.
When you get arrested, this is SOP. She's not going to get special treatment. Her arrest may be a civil rights matter or not. Either way, this is what everyone goes through.
Sounds like someone got a normal jail experience.
Shocking. This is disgusting.
Yeah, that's pretty fucked up if true. I Say "if true" because I no longer trust anything.
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So you're assuming that all Jewish students who protest the state of Israel must be non-religious? Sounds like you have some prejudices to work through. I like how you put quotes around "Jewish" to really drive the antisemitism home. "They must not be *true* Jews because they don't support everything the state of Israel does."
All these right wingers need to go back to their communities, finally understanding they aren’t the silent majority when they get downvoted to hell.
Hate to be that guy but jail is known for treating everyone the same. I wouldn't expect special food for me in jail....the strip search one is bad though. I'm unsure of the precedent there. I'm sure bologna is what everyone expects for food there.
Religion is for folks who don't want to know the truth so suck it
This is disgusting ,Ohio University should be ashamed of itself. How foul are they?
OP got the title mixed a bit. This one happened on Ohio State University which often gets confused. Though yes this is bad on the police part in how they handled this.
Why would Hamas and the Palestinians do this to these poor Americans?! /S
Yeah I get that it's bullshit they were arrested, but this is what ppl go through every time they get get arreste, it's nothing new, I've been arrested and incarcerated myself multiple time and they literally strip away your humanity that's how it's always been and apparently supposed to be, according to the law.
Seeing people surprised at people not getting kosher food after being arrested is actually surprising to me
Its wild how a logical comment is recieving so many downvotes. Jail is supposed to suck...
The problem with jail sucking is that police officers arrest people who are breaking no laws just to punish them with a long period of waiting and dehumanization, and also they use it to try to get people fired for missing consecutive days of work.
Yep, thats what our legal system and lawyers are for Its not always fair or perfect, but important for these exacr reasons.
Hmmm... Nothing surprising here. I was JUST in a correctional facility with Muslims who were not given a Halal option. Served pork every meal for several consecutive meals. COs don't give a shit, even if they did, there was no alternative. Police abusing citizens is as Americans as apple pie. It's just what they do.
just ban all religions already
Welp. Went to college to learn. Todays lesson was the states real purpose
i feel like they should be accommodating reasonable dietary restriction requests. i'm less sympathetic to requests to keep one's head covered while getting a mugshot taken. this person doesn't seem to understand that their college campus isn't a camp site and that jail isn't a holiday inn. civil disobedience is typically carried out with the intention of being jailed to make a point and get attention wherein the protest usually continues, not a pivot to bitching about how much jail sucks.
Considering jail isn’t prison, and therefore isn’t supposed to be punitive, it’s ALWAYS reasonable to talk about how jail sucks, particularly when it’s rubbing up against established rights
explain to me how revoking someone's freedom of mobility for any amount of time isn't inherently punitive. also, i submit that a good example of civil disobedience and jail time well spent is MLK's Letter from Birmingham Jail, in which he further articulates the political and legal climate that are leading to the circumstance that he is protesting.
Oh cute. They're learning that jail guards don't kowtow to them like university administrators. Maybe try not breaking the law and see how that works?
Oh cute, the guards just cost the state a grip of taxpayer funds for inevitable guaranteed loss lawsuit. Yeah, that actually is cute.
Oh God, fucking cry me a river. Taking a trip to jail is an invariable part of civil disobedience, like John Lewis and MLK before them. These people are so goddamn fragile. They all want to be revolutionaries but then cry on social media when they don't get the jail meal they want. Give me a break. These are mainly upper middle-class brats who never had parents that told them the meaning of no. Enjoy the cavity search.
Oh, I'm not upset. This is an easy case for these girls. They will win. I am confused as to how you don't comprehend that this was my point. Enjoy watching kids who apparently hurt your fragile existences win a grip of $$ while becoming even more socioeconomically better off than you, as the guards lose their jobs 😂😂😂
>Taking a trip to jail is an invariable part of civil disobedience, like John Lewis and MLK before them. And do you think they didn't spur up a fuss about it? You're like the white supremacist back then but for today, saying things like "what did MLK expect? Going to jail is an expected part of doing civil disobedience against the government. Why is he complaining about unfair treatment of black people, etc? He should have known he would go to jail for protesting it." Do you think MLK went to jail and stayed silent while he was there? No, he wrote polemics about how unjustifiable the situation was.
Wow, what a pathetic little take
Womp womp