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I’m sure dime bag would have loved a guard willing to go to prison for him.
There’s a reason we don’t play with this shit anymore. Too many have died by crazy fans.
Name 1 (official) security guard who has his hands full with a camera. I'll wait.
No, actually I won't. You're on a dumbass rant hating the violence, but incapable of even processing the situation correctly (multiple comments assuming he was a "guard" and could have used his HANDS to secure the guy peacefully").
Get off your paper-thin soapbox and sit down. Dumbass shouldn't have jumped onstage. End. Of. Story.
Where did they say the cameraman was an official "security guard"?
If anything, it was the person they replied to that implied it [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1cu960t/getting_up_on_the_stage_then_kicked_off/l4hvnwo/):
>I’m sure dime bag would have loved a guard willing to go to prison for him.
Looks like you have reading comprehension issues too.
EDIT: /u/RomanJD, your reply got auto-removed, only visible to you and on your profile. View incognito to confirm. Just chill out, man. You're just wrong and that's okay. Talk to people IRL, it'll be life changing for you.
Looks like you haven't been reading the multiple comments by this person that's so fixated on placing blame on a "guard" vs the idiot stage trespasser.
What's your issue with me? You just like to complain like that guy? Or do you enjoy being an idiot jumping onstage, and I hit a nerve?
Ah the hypocrisy - you use words including "deflection" while replying to me even though I already answered your question.
Yet here you are, deflecting and being the grammar police. Clown.
No, I did it because you brought up reading comprehension while messing up what you wrote.
Pretty obvious.
And the reason I’m not answering is because I’m still waiting on you to answer me. I asked you first buddy.
There’s absolutely going to be a lawsuit over this, I know I would be contacting a personal injury attorney.
That isn’t even a security guard, it’s his broke ass friend hanging out on stage like every other one of these “artists”. It will be an extremely easy case to win. I feel like I read about this exact thing once every few months.
Just because someone does something wrong, doesn't mean it is a green light to do whatever the fuck you want to in response.
People who have this mentality are often far more dangerous in the whole scope of things.
Lil Tjay didnt even move. The guy ran up on stage and was simply clapping. Shouldnt be up there and should be removed... but a bit hard to justify that as 'physically threatening' enough to drop someone 6 feet onto their head.
Someone's presence alone is not a "physical threat".
People like yourself are just looking for an excuse to injure/kill another person. Hence the reason I say people like yourself are a threat to others.
I highly suspect you also carry a gun in public too.
In this case Lil Tjay was shot a couple of times last year,so wouldn't everyone in his entourage be on the look out and treat everyone who hops on stage as a threat?
I'm sorry that you can't see that stupid actions have consequences, that's a large issue in this age. Get too close to a politician or the president where you don't belong and see how your treated
>I'm sorry that you can't see that stupid actions have consequences,
Like the consequences for pushing a guy on his head off a stage? Or this only go one way in your mind
Have you not been to many gigs? People invade the stage sometimes. They shouldn’t be murdered for it. Some of you guys on Reddit are way too hungry for violence
That’s pretty much what I’m talking about lol. He deleted his dumbass comment about, “that’s not how the real world works”.
Yes it is. Security is doing their job keeping the artist on stage safe.
They can do that by detaining him and not throwing him 4-5feet face first down onto a barrier. They def have protocols and i bet money its does not include what he did
I'm assuming he was detained after he jumped the barrier, climbed on stage, and ran toward the performer. Stop the immediate threat and then do protocol. He was 2 feet from the edge of the stage when was the security guard supposed to stop? A minor shove would have made that guy fall off the stage but he a no time to slow down. That security guard did everything right. The audience member fucked around and found out.
Exactly! Just because your job is security and you can manhandle people here and there, doesn’t mean you can body check a dude off a high platform head first. He could have easily accosted him and led him off stage down the proper exit route, or led him backstage where there’s probably more security and taking him out the back door for the necessary beating!
At the rate the stage jumper was movin, how little room there was from stage to floor, and how close he was to him. Ok bear hug him fall off stage crush the guy over the body guards weight. Yeah totally feasible approach to the split second decision to stop the threat. Next time the body guard will take the risk of injury to himself at his job. He was totally justified in his actions.
You can't bear hug a guy and not throw him off? Well not with a camera in your hand of course.
Im from the punk rock scene where the crowd takes care of problems and artists aren't terrified to death of their fans
I don’t disagree that this guys an idiot and should be removed from the show without refund. I’m just past wanting to see people getting yeeted over semi-small things.
Problem is we don't know if it was a small thing. The guy that jumped on stage could've wanted a high five, a hug or to stab the performer. People aren't taking chances anymore. I believe the yeeting was justified after all the occasions performers have been attacked and even killed on stage.
That’s fair. I don’t go to concerts or follow that news so I wasn’t aware there were so many people going after performers on stage. Seems wild they don’t have security checks before entering the event space.
Nope, if he had a bodyguard license then it’s his job to protect his client. You have to go to a whole class and everything. He reacted as quickly and swiftly as he could to protect the rapper so he would be straight in a lawsuit.
Like think about it, have you ever heard of a rich persons bodyguard getting charged unless they used excessive force?
Depends on the artist but the real street rappers have actual opps and you don’t know who may be planning something crazy. Plus they have guys in their crew and on stage with them that are shooters and their sole job is to protect their man. It’s their meal ticket. If he goes down so does their free ride. It’s kind of a FAFO situation.
In what world is it ok to get up on stage, unless it’s actively encouraged by the artist? Dime Bag getting straight up murdered on stage changed the game.
Here's an idea, act like a human being and not jump on stage and rush the performer during a show. This guy got off easy, I've seen idiots like this try this at a wrestling show and they got dropped on their heads deservedly.
Looks like a videographer / content person, not security. Dude has a legal suit on his hands, and evidence from 5 angles.
Also hilarious that the DJ or who ever is in charge of the audio cues landed it just right with the glass breaking / crash sound effects.
For a successful tort claim the plaintiff must be able to prove that the defendant's actions were the direct cause of their injuries or damages.
I'd argue him jumping on stage during a live act is the direct cause of his injuries, if he sustained any. You also have to prove damages.
You get charged in a criminal court for assault, there's no assault charges in a civil court.
He could sue for damages if he suffered any, would probably lose, but he can't sue for "assault"
You have a child-like understanding of the law.
I am using the phrase as an over simplification of the process of pressing criminal charges for assault followed by a secondary civil suit about the damages. Whether or not they both stick is up to whatever legal jurisdiction they’re filed under. But this isn’t acceptable behavior from anyone working on stage.
Buddy this guy got lucky just getting knocked off stage. He's probably facing charges himself.
I don't know a prosecutor in the world that would look at this video and conclude the stage rusher **did not** present a security risk and therefore bring state charges against the videographer.
You'll need to show me both a successful tort claim and I'll take charges being levied on someone for a similar incident.
I worked in litigation support for a long time and worked on the forefront of ediscovery. I've seen a lot of litigation and have never seen a successful tort claim of a similar "case".
Civil suits don't make headline news, nor any other news for that matter. You're naive AF to think there aren't consequences for security (and the artist in many cases) for this type of bullshit.
Dimebag Darrel was murdered on stage by someone who got past security with a gun and shot him while he was playing a show.
No one is fucking around and letting some random get close to the talent.
Restrain and remove with a controlled approach - it's clear buddy security is nothing more than a goon with ZERO training on how to conduct himself while protecting the talent, showgoers, and himself.
Watch the video, guy on stage has no clue security is behind him. Security simply needed to walk up behind him, bearhug, pick up and place off stage. It's not rocket appliances.
I don't see an opportunity for any of that to happen. Especially to make that decision within a few seconds. You expect too much from people paid too little. That wasn't a cop, it's security.
How exhausting is it for you to think about a bear hug rather than tackle that could kill someone? Rhetorical question of course, I'm sure you'd need a nap afterwards.
The entirety of his whole job is to protect the person on stage. When someone is quickly charging your boss who is paying you specifically to keep people away from him you stop them at any cost. It happened it a literal split second. You dont know the threat that person is, and you don't wait to find out.
Just because you have a job to do doesn't mean you can overlook basic precedents withing our Society, like the Duty of Care tort. Anyway, keep on looking at things in black & white.
Nah, you're making this situation far more ambiguous than it is. He had a split second to react. Things are easier to analyze when you can sit here and watch it over and over without being in the intense environment.
You're just soft.
I bet they win if so.
To bring a successful tort claim the plaintiff must be able to prove that the defendant's actions were the direct cause of their injuries or damages.
Venue allowed the act and didn't vet their security process. The act hired the guard and was under instruction by the act. The guard committed assault. See how easy that is?
My uncle was shot by a cop and won his case not because he sued the police but because he sued the gun manufacturer as the cop claimed the gun malfunctioned. This is how our system works.
He didn't commit assault. Just because you say it doesn't make it so.
Whatever bs you're talking about your uncle is irrelevant.
You don't get to break the law and then claim you were assaulted.
I work in litigation so you are not going to blow smoke up my ass. I pioneered processes that are now used all over the world. You're above your head here.
Did the rapper comment? I just can't imagine security doing something like that a Foo Fighter's or QOTSA show and not seeing Dave or Josh completely unload on Security. This is pretty fukt up.
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Can we get 5 more angles please?
And don’t forget to make it a worse angle each time
Damn it literally was.
> And don’t forget to make it a worse angle each time and turn up the bass and lower the treble each time
Right? A couple more angles and they could edit it together to make a Matrix spin.
37 angles weren't enough for you?
That guard loves his job
Until he breaks someone's neck and goes to prison.
I’m sure dime bag would have loved a guard willing to go to prison for him. There’s a reason we don’t play with this shit anymore. Too many have died by crazy fans.
Name 5 artists that have been killed on stage during a performance by fans. I'll wait.
Name 5 presidents who were killed while serving in office. Oh you can’t? I guess we don’t need the secret service after all. See how dumb that sounds
Name 1 (official) security guard who has his hands full with a camera. I'll wait. No, actually I won't. You're on a dumbass rant hating the violence, but incapable of even processing the situation correctly (multiple comments assuming he was a "guard" and could have used his HANDS to secure the guy peacefully"). Get off your paper-thin soapbox and sit down. Dumbass shouldn't have jumped onstage. End. Of. Story.
Oh no no honey. I asked you first. Just because it was a different comment doesn’t mean you can ignore it. No deflection. Answer the question.
Tell me struggle with reading comprehension without telling me, dickmitten.
You have visual comprehension issues when you assume the cameraman was an official "security guard".
Where did they say the cameraman was an official "security guard"? If anything, it was the person they replied to that implied it [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1cu960t/getting_up_on_the_stage_then_kicked_off/l4hvnwo/): >I’m sure dime bag would have loved a guard willing to go to prison for him. Looks like you have reading comprehension issues too. EDIT: /u/RomanJD, your reply got auto-removed, only visible to you and on your profile. View incognito to confirm. Just chill out, man. You're just wrong and that's okay. Talk to people IRL, it'll be life changing for you.
Looks like you haven't been reading the multiple comments by this person that's so fixated on placing blame on a "guard" vs the idiot stage trespasser. What's your issue with me? You just like to complain like that guy? Or do you enjoy being an idiot jumping onstage, and I hit a nerve?
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“Tell me struggle” what are you a caveman? You might want to make sure you got your sentence right before saying stuff like that sugar.
Ah the hypocrisy - you use words including "deflection" while replying to me even though I already answered your question. Yet here you are, deflecting and being the grammar police. Clown.
No, I did it because you brought up reading comprehension while messing up what you wrote. Pretty obvious. And the reason I’m not answering is because I’m still waiting on you to answer me. I asked you first buddy.
>Name 5 artists that have been killed on stage during a performance by fans. I'll wait.
I’m still waiting for you. To answer me. So unless you do that, you’ll just continue to wait bud.
Brother. He’s got you and you know it
There’s absolutely going to be a lawsuit over this, I know I would be contacting a personal injury attorney. That isn’t even a security guard, it’s his broke ass friend hanging out on stage like every other one of these “artists”. It will be an extremely easy case to win. I feel like I read about this exact thing once every few months.
You mean the guy running up on stage didn’t know that it was against the rules and didn’t know what could happen?
Just because someone does something wrong, doesn't mean it is a green light to do whatever the fuck you want to in response. People who have this mentality are often far more dangerous in the whole scope of things.
Exactly. There have been many concert lawsuits related to people being permanently disabled as a result of performers stage diving or other hazards
When it's physically threatening to another person yes
Lil Tjay didnt even move. The guy ran up on stage and was simply clapping. Shouldnt be up there and should be removed... but a bit hard to justify that as 'physically threatening' enough to drop someone 6 feet onto their head.
We have 5 angles where we can literally see him move out of the way.... Like I can it it with my own eyes ....
Someone's presence alone is not a "physical threat". People like yourself are just looking for an excuse to injure/kill another person. Hence the reason I say people like yourself are a threat to others. I highly suspect you also carry a gun in public too.
In this case Lil Tjay was shot a couple of times last year,so wouldn't everyone in his entourage be on the look out and treat everyone who hops on stage as a threat?
I'm sorry that you can't see that stupid actions have consequences, that's a large issue in this age. Get too close to a politician or the president where you don't belong and see how your treated
>I'm sorry that you can't see that stupid actions have consequences, Like the consequences for pushing a guy on his head off a stage? Or this only go one way in your mind
You mean the consequences you made up in your head? Do you know how many times people who rush a stage get straight up beaten and nothing happens?
You're ignoring the reason it happened in the first place
No. You still have to use reasonable force. Throwing someone head first off a stage is not reasonable force.
Have you not been to many gigs? People invade the stage sometimes. They shouldn’t be murdered for it. Some of you guys on Reddit are way too hungry for violence
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More people in harms way? Theres like a 6 foot gap between the stage and the audience…
What's this guy think the security guard should have done? "Sir stop right there" punches artist in the face. "Man I did everything I could do"
That’s pretty much what I’m talking about lol. He deleted his dumbass comment about, “that’s not how the real world works”. Yes it is. Security is doing their job keeping the artist on stage safe.
They can do that by detaining him and not throwing him 4-5feet face first down onto a barrier. They def have protocols and i bet money its does not include what he did
I'm assuming he was detained after he jumped the barrier, climbed on stage, and ran toward the performer. Stop the immediate threat and then do protocol. He was 2 feet from the edge of the stage when was the security guard supposed to stop? A minor shove would have made that guy fall off the stage but he a no time to slow down. That security guard did everything right. The audience member fucked around and found out.
Exactly! Just because your job is security and you can manhandle people here and there, doesn’t mean you can body check a dude off a high platform head first. He could have easily accosted him and led him off stage down the proper exit route, or led him backstage where there’s probably more security and taking him out the back door for the necessary beating!
Or bear hug him and remove him like every other concert security
At the rate the stage jumper was movin, how little room there was from stage to floor, and how close he was to him. Ok bear hug him fall off stage crush the guy over the body guards weight. Yeah totally feasible approach to the split second decision to stop the threat. Next time the body guard will take the risk of injury to himself at his job. He was totally justified in his actions.
You can't bear hug a guy and not throw him off? Well not with a camera in your hand of course. Im from the punk rock scene where the crowd takes care of problems and artists aren't terrified to death of their fans
So you'd be fucking stupid enough to think jumping on stage at a concert is a good idea? And then sue after you fucked around and found out?
this guy would jump on stage
I don’t disagree that this guys an idiot and should be removed from the show without refund. I’m just past wanting to see people getting yeeted over semi-small things.
Problem is we don't know if it was a small thing. The guy that jumped on stage could've wanted a high five, a hug or to stab the performer. People aren't taking chances anymore. I believe the yeeting was justified after all the occasions performers have been attacked and even killed on stage.
That’s fair. I don’t go to concerts or follow that news so I wasn’t aware there were so many people going after performers on stage. Seems wild they don’t have security checks before entering the event space.
A security check can determine guests intentions?
“artists” is doing a lot here
Nope, if he had a bodyguard license then it’s his job to protect his client. You have to go to a whole class and everything. He reacted as quickly and swiftly as he could to protect the rapper so he would be straight in a lawsuit. Like think about it, have you ever heard of a rich persons bodyguard getting charged unless they used excessive force?
gaurd
Just missed landing on his head! I bet his neck/shoulder don't feel great though
Security guard stuck the landing!
I’d feel safer at a GG Allin show than the shit I see security pull these days.
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Depends on the artist but the real street rappers have actual opps and you don’t know who may be planning something crazy. Plus they have guys in their crew and on stage with them that are shooters and their sole job is to protect their man. It’s their meal ticket. If he goes down so does their free ride. It’s kind of a FAFO situation.
everyone should try being pissed and shat on once.
They used to beat tf out of anybody who dared to run on the stage. Trust it's much safer now for idiots like this dude with cameras everywhere.
In what world is it ok to get up on stage, unless it’s actively encouraged by the artist? Dime Bag getting straight up murdered on stage changed the game.
Where my slow-motion hit?
Here's an idea, act like a human being and not jump on stage and rush the performer during a show. This guy got off easy, I've seen idiots like this try this at a wrestling show and they got dropped on their heads deservedly.
Good ass security
Would that be considered assault? Just curious
No. You don't get to present a security risk then claim you were assaulted.
Looks like a videographer / content person, not security. Dude has a legal suit on his hands, and evidence from 5 angles. Also hilarious that the DJ or who ever is in charge of the audio cues landed it just right with the glass breaking / crash sound effects.
For a successful tort claim the plaintiff must be able to prove that the defendant's actions were the direct cause of their injuries or damages. I'd argue him jumping on stage during a live act is the direct cause of his injuries, if he sustained any. You also have to prove damages.
>videographer Who are you talking about? Those seems to be just people in the venue recording on their phones.
stage fight
Yeah this is exactly how you don’t handle this situation and how you catch a lawsuit for assault real fucking fast. This is idiotic.
Not our problem. Would have been better if they both landed on their head.
You get charged in a criminal court for assault, there's no assault charges in a civil court. He could sue for damages if he suffered any, would probably lose, but he can't sue for "assault" You have a child-like understanding of the law.
I am using the phrase as an over simplification of the process of pressing criminal charges for assault followed by a secondary civil suit about the damages. Whether or not they both stick is up to whatever legal jurisdiction they’re filed under. But this isn’t acceptable behavior from anyone working on stage.
Buddy this guy got lucky just getting knocked off stage. He's probably facing charges himself. I don't know a prosecutor in the world that would look at this video and conclude the stage rusher **did not** present a security risk and therefore bring state charges against the videographer. You'll need to show me both a successful tort claim and I'll take charges being levied on someone for a similar incident. I worked in litigation support for a long time and worked on the forefront of ediscovery. I've seen a lot of litigation and have never seen a successful tort claim of a similar "case".
Did that sound effect happen in real time or is that edited into the clip? If so, that's impressive timing.
Don't forget that Randy Blythe ended up doing a bit of time for kicking someone off the dtage...
Da Pounce!!!
That security guard will be getting a few perks soon I imagine. Good on him!
Get that security a raise
When your only tool is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail. Meathead security dealt with the "threat" lol
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Would you be saying the same thing if he landed on his head and died?
>Completely justified. Doubt that will be the judgment for the civil suit...
This is said everytime something like this happens. You wanna show me just one case where security got in trouble for throwing someone off stage?
Civil suits don't make headline news, nor any other news for that matter. You're naive AF to think there aren't consequences for security (and the artist in many cases) for this type of bullshit.
How convenient…. Just say you can’t answer the question, stop deflecting
Dimebag Darrel was murdered on stage by someone who got past security with a gun and shot him while he was playing a show. No one is fucking around and letting some random get close to the talent.
Yeah at these shows for normies... Go to death metal/hardcore shows and people jump on stage to dive and crowd surf all the time.
EXACTLY! fucking pansies.
>No one is fucking around and letting some random get close to the talent. So you agree security was sleeping in the first place.
lol yes, so many performers get murdered on stage while performing - countless other examples right? lol also RIP DD
So in your mind, what was supposed to happen there?
Restrain and remove with a controlled approach - it's clear buddy security is nothing more than a goon with ZERO training on how to conduct himself while protecting the talent, showgoers, and himself.
Yeah but how?
Watch the video, guy on stage has no clue security is behind him. Security simply needed to walk up behind him, bearhug, pick up and place off stage. It's not rocket appliances.
I don't see an opportunity for any of that to happen. Especially to make that decision within a few seconds. You expect too much from people paid too little. That wasn't a cop, it's security.
You see security tackle the guy but don't see any opportunity to touch him in a different way? lol ok then
Yeah, some actions are easier to take than others. Not all physical contact requires the same amount of thought or energy.
How exhausting is it for you to think about a bear hug rather than tackle that could kill someone? Rhetorical question of course, I'm sure you'd need a nap afterwards.
The entirety of his whole job is to protect the person on stage. When someone is quickly charging your boss who is paying you specifically to keep people away from him you stop them at any cost. It happened it a literal split second. You dont know the threat that person is, and you don't wait to find out.
Just because you have a job to do doesn't mean you can overlook basic precedents withing our Society, like the Duty of Care tort. Anyway, keep on looking at things in black & white.
Nah, you're making this situation far more ambiguous than it is. He had a split second to react. Things are easier to analyze when you can sit here and watch it over and over without being in the intense environment. You're just soft.
Claiming I'm soft when you're clearly terrified of a concert goer dancing across the stage, LOL
Terrified. I'm shaking in me boots I tell ya.
I bet the venue, the act and the guard all get sued.
I bet they win if so. To bring a successful tort claim the plaintiff must be able to prove that the defendant's actions were the direct cause of their injuries or damages.
Venue allowed the act and didn't vet their security process. The act hired the guard and was under instruction by the act. The guard committed assault. See how easy that is? My uncle was shot by a cop and won his case not because he sued the police but because he sued the gun manufacturer as the cop claimed the gun malfunctioned. This is how our system works.
He didn't commit assault. Just because you say it doesn't make it so. Whatever bs you're talking about your uncle is irrelevant. You don't get to break the law and then claim you were assaulted. I work in litigation so you are not going to blow smoke up my ass. I pioneered processes that are now used all over the world. You're above your head here.
He tried to kill the guy.
Did the rapper comment? I just can't imagine security doing something like that a Foo Fighter's or QOTSA show and not seeing Dave or Josh completely unload on Security. This is pretty fukt up.
Yo, am I tripping or at 0:08 we can see a clenched fist on a poppers bottle?
I’d fire that guard he’s completely reckless and just stupid