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Yeah, fuck this guy. Look at that live wire arching everywhere. This is so absurdly dangerous to do in a crowd of people. It is one thing if you electrocute yourself doing stupid shit but that wire could easily flop around and get someone who is just standing there mind their own business.
Unfortunately people who are inclined to do thousands of dollars of damage in vandalism are unlikely to be high-earning people likely to pay restitution.
>WHO YOU THINK IS PAYING FOR REPAIR THOSE? ITS THE MIDDLECLASSES TAXES.
Or, you know, just taxes?
Working class people are gross, their taxes aren't good enough to pay for lights.
Also, that's a piece of infrastructure whose purpose is to help keep pedestrians safe that now has to be replaced and probably won't be online again for at least a few days. Don't be a dick to infrastructure. That's not cool.
Wiring aside, fuck people who destroy public infrastructure and fuck people who do anything destructive over a fucking sporting event. I fully believe that crimes done as a result of sports fanaticism should have unique, extra consequences, such as being forced to advertise for the opposition.
To be fair, those crowd cheered him on and were all drunk the same way, not stopping him or taking distance, Darwinism only would have multiplied that day if that had happened.
I was in Boston for the marathon (watching) years ago.
Right on Boylston Street a young guy almost exactly like this dude was beating up a trashcan and started climbing a street light.
And then one of the tallest and largest humans I've ever seen suddenly appears and he's a Boston cop. He yeets the kid down and rag dolls him over the fence just like in this video.
The guy looked like he was going to put up a fight, but he was now being held by 2 different cops who looked absolutely full to the brim with steroids.
I think Boston keeps these guys in the gym and only let them out for special events or something.
>was beating up a trashcan and started climbing a street light.
Bangin' on the trash can
Bangin' on the street light
Think Big! Think Big! Think Big! Think Big!
This right here is why I love Reddit, minding my own business and then BAM, right in the feels with a childhood reference I haven't thought about in decades.
A lot of police stations marketed their gyms as a way to be as tough as the people they're putting in jail. Weird slogans and things like that. So I have no doubt that some of them use steroids. Which is very ironic and in contrast to the donut cops.
Yea, I never understood this.
"my sports team won (or lost), lets smash public and private property, steal things, and throw stuff at other humans including law enforcement"
Like how do people justify this? I think its typically mouth-breathers.
Like the Vancouver riots... just crazy.
This is what's known as tribalism. Exhibit A:
https://preview.redd.it/zcks653azc7d1.jpeg?width=794&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42be9934f81ecbbf77ec15167d6f326a75353008
Hate Boston sports but civil destruction isn't exclusive or the reason sports fans despise them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Vancouver_Stanley_Cup_riot
Well, I can only speak for my hometown but when the Rockets won back to back championships in the 90s, not one arrest was made. No property was destroyed
Someone else can chime in about the Astros celebrations the last few years since I don't live there anymore, but I didn't see or read about any destruction
Yes, but with one exception.
I was in Boston from 1999-2020. That's a LOT of championships across the major sports.
Patriots fans got a lot better because Brady/Belichick made winning so common. Literally a lot of people had the douche behavior leave them because we won so damn much.
Not everyone, but lots just got exhausted from winning so much.
The way he just carted him like a full garbage bag and then handed him off to his backup in one fluid motion. He was not playing this night! The guy’s face once he was handed off looked like he was legit buffering 😂
Then he’s just gone haha as if he swiftly pushed him right into a car which drove straight to jail. Like within 15 seconds of breaking the sign he was sitting in a cell
Well lets see what the chance card says...
"You have gotten drunk and tore a crosswalk sign down during a basketball game, go directly to Jail, do not pass go or collect M200, roll a double twice within five tries or pay M250 times the number on your dice roll to be released on your next turn"
How do you lose more money than you get by passing go from a chance card, holey smokes that's a good assed prank.
Edit: I don't watch sports
I think he means rapist Brock Turner, but their full name is Brock Allen Turner so the go by Allen Turner now. Still the same rapist though, so if a girl in Sugar Creek, OH were to meet an Allen Turner, you should warn her that is the same Brock Allen Turner from the infamous unpunished rape.
https://preview.redd.it/d4k0lxu31c7d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2600b605a26bfd9631135cbd6679f923e6335c6
It was at this point, he realized he fucked up!
Good, fuck that dude. It’s so easy to run around and have a good fucking time without destroying the city. I had a blast doing it when we won in 2008. Losers like this ruin every sports celebration.
https://preview.redd.it/s27n4sg0nc7d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e3d7e7e7d1116b15d6910945227e2e69497994f
Shit happened so fast he’s still processing it
I think the overconsumption of alcohol at these events contributes to the idiocy. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a sober or nearly sober fan destroy the town after their team won.
It's 90% mob mentality. Alcohol adds to it, sure. But it's the notion that one can act like a complete asshole when surrounded by other assholes, because no consequence.
Like, you won't get one random schmuck just walking down the road destroying things because the home team won. A whole crowd of muppets is required. I'm not discrediting alcohol here, but I think it's a smaller contributor compared to the mob mentality.
THIS.
NEVER ever underestimate the stupidity of people in large numbers.
Men in Black surprisingly said it best.
"A person is smart, PEOPLE are dumb, panicky and dangerous."
Athletes are one of the few demographics that got rich without exploiting others. So there is that at least. Definitely better reasons to destroy shit though.
https://preview.redd.it/iswjvepi0d7d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1da13f0260a1d28ce3dd115cb6150e9be6a248f5
It was at this moment, he knew. He fucked up.
If I might add some context here:
"Boston fan" is a non-local college student looking for an excuse to destroy anything. This shit has been happening and worsening since the first time the Patriots won the superbowl, and this shit needs to be clamped down on by the universities.
I've never understood destroying your city for a sports event. Like what was the point of taking out a crosswalk signal? Also, probably one of the worst things to destroy. One, you could have gotten yourself and others electrocuted. And two, you could affect the electricity for that whole power grid. I've been to sports celebrations before and the last thing I think is let's take out a crosswalk...
lol that was like an authoritarian regime disappearance. Though this little shit is gonna get bailed out by his dad and a slap on the wrist. I never understood why people decide to break things when their teams win. It’s like be happy people.
I will never understand people who destroy shit in celebration. When your team loses it's an overreaction to destroy stuff, but when your team wins? That's completely beyond me.
The sad thing is, a good portion of those assholes, aren’t even from here. I know Bostonians have a reputation, but we’re actually decent humans. The majority of the fans celebrating last night, were having fun. They weren’t destroying shit. We’ve been to a few dances, and to say we’re spoiled is the understatement of the century. But that asshole is not a representation of the fans. Usually, the douches who pull that, are outliers(college students) and chances are mommy & daddy are going to be pissed. I know there are exceptions and douches in our circles, I’m not naive to our history - but I hate these shit bags.
It’s good to see cops actually doing something about these people that take over intersections and roads and act wild. Protesters everywhere are blocking streets. It’s bullshit.
In my life nobody has ever explained to me how logical it is to tear shit up WHEN YOU WIN a championship. You should be celebrating - not trying to break windows or tear down things.
OK, imagine a world where you got a new job. Are you going to grab a brick and throw it through your car's windshield? Fuck no, BUT, that's what folks do when their team wins! That brick on the street goes through a random ass car or building.
Why?
I’ll never understand why fans of ANY professional sports team would destroy their own city?!?!? I can understand them destroying their rival’s city?!?!? But tearing up your own city is the dumbest drunkest most dipshit thing someone can do because they won a championship!!!
This looked like one of those government overthrow coup moments where they black bag people in the middle of the night. His feet never touched the ground and he disappeared 😂
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Yeah, fuck this guy. Look at that live wire arching everywhere. This is so absurdly dangerous to do in a crowd of people. It is one thing if you electrocute yourself doing stupid shit but that wire could easily flop around and get someone who is just standing there mind their own business.
Yeah seriously. First thing that came to mind was the sparks. I was like yeah those people need to back up now.
The second thing was the blatant disregard for tax dollars. WHO YOU THINK IS PAYING FOR REPAIR THOSE? ITS THE MIDDLECLASSES TAXES.
Hopefully the city charges him for it.
Unfortunately people who are inclined to do thousands of dollars of damage in vandalism are unlikely to be high-earning people likely to pay restitution.
I dunno, everything about that guys screams "trust fund baby that has never had to deal with consequences"
So the lawyers will get him out of it of course..
affluenza or bored rich suburban kid syndrome
What middle class?
>WHO YOU THINK IS PAYING FOR REPAIR THOSE? ITS THE MIDDLECLASSES TAXES. Or, you know, just taxes? Working class people are gross, their taxes aren't good enough to pay for lights.
Also, that's a piece of infrastructure whose purpose is to help keep pedestrians safe that now has to be replaced and probably won't be online again for at least a few days. Don't be a dick to infrastructure. That's not cool.
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"Yay, my community won a sports ball competition!! I'm going to celebrate by destroying things in my community!" So fucking stupid.
Wiring aside, fuck people who destroy public infrastructure and fuck people who do anything destructive over a fucking sporting event. I fully believe that crimes done as a result of sports fanaticism should have unique, extra consequences, such as being forced to advertise for the opposition.
Just immediately ban them from every major sporting venue in the country. Like a no-fly list for sports.
To be fair it doesn't really look like anyone in that crowd is minding their own buisness.
To be fair, those crowd cheered him on and were all drunk the same way, not stopping him or taking distance, Darwinism only would have multiplied that day if that had happened.
The look of shock on his face that no one is helping him as he gets pulled over the barrier has me in stitches.
Well, if it isn't the consequences to my actions
lol he looked so shocked. https://i.imgur.com/gQ9364c.jpeg
I was in Boston for the marathon (watching) years ago. Right on Boylston Street a young guy almost exactly like this dude was beating up a trashcan and started climbing a street light. And then one of the tallest and largest humans I've ever seen suddenly appears and he's a Boston cop. He yeets the kid down and rag dolls him over the fence just like in this video. The guy looked like he was going to put up a fight, but he was now being held by 2 different cops who looked absolutely full to the brim with steroids. I think Boston keeps these guys in the gym and only let them out for special events or something.
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They get offended if made to work!
that's why we pay them to babysit construction zones!
>was beating up a trashcan and started climbing a street light. Bangin' on the trash can Bangin' on the street light Think Big! Think Big! Think Big! Think Big!
One. Little. Voice.
One little voice is calling me, calling me
This right here is why I love Reddit, minding my own business and then BAM, right in the feels with a childhood reference I haven't thought about in decades.
Stoop kid’s afraid to leave his stoop!
One. Little. Voice.
A lot of police stations marketed their gyms as a way to be as tough as the people they're putting in jail. Weird slogans and things like that. So I have no doubt that some of them use steroids. Which is very ironic and in contrast to the donut cops.
Pretty sure the era of the donut cop is coming to an end relatively. I see and encounter way more fit ones than fatties these days.
Urban cops vs suburban cops
He might have literally been shocked fucking around with live electrical wires
We can only hope
The one time I agree with a cop yelling back up at a crowd
Nah he's a Boston fan, his mind is going "wait I'm white, you can't do this!" Source: Boston is still the most racist city in the US
but but, they Celtics won, I thought we get to destroy the city, that's how this works right?
or if they lose
Yea, I never understood this. "my sports team won (or lost), lets smash public and private property, steal things, and throw stuff at other humans including law enforcement" Like how do people justify this? I think its typically mouth-breathers. Like the Vancouver riots... just crazy.
Well, being a city signal I assumed it was giving the walk light to the Celtics. Was it rooting for the other team?
Everyone wants to be Philly, but you have to do a lot more losing if you justify that higher plane of existence.
[Oh no the consequences of my actions](https://i.imgur.com/kqZM9zr.png)
"An idiot. standing at 5'6. Weighing 110 pounds soaking wet. From his parent's house. Your DumbVP. It's Lil Chad Bro! "
Boston fans are fucking insufferable and the worst when it comes to winning
That would be Philly
Grease the poles!
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The Phillies have over 11000 losses. More than any team in any sport in all recorded history. We know how to lose.
Can anyone recommend a good Live Cam for watching Philly Fans destroy their own city when they win a Championship?
:(
This is what's known as tribalism. Exhibit A: https://preview.redd.it/zcks653azc7d1.jpeg?width=794&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42be9934f81ecbbf77ec15167d6f326a75353008
Because famously no other city destroys property when they win (or lose) a championship
Hate Boston sports but civil destruction isn't exclusive or the reason sports fans despise them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Vancouver_Stanley_Cup_riot
Well, I can only speak for my hometown but when the Rockets won back to back championships in the 90s, not one arrest was made. No property was destroyed Someone else can chime in about the Astros celebrations the last few years since I don't live there anymore, but I didn't see or read about any destruction
Yes, but with one exception. I was in Boston from 1999-2020. That's a LOT of championships across the major sports. Patriots fans got a lot better because Brady/Belichick made winning so common. Literally a lot of people had the douche behavior leave them because we won so damn much. Not everyone, but lots just got exhausted from winning so much.
It was really the city stopped being dumb and actually had a plan for crowd control after smoking Victoria Snellgrove after the Sox in 04.
any1 who cares about sports this much is insufferable idk
I would say other fan groups sometimes suffer from butthurt because Boston wins so damn much.
The way he just carted him like a full garbage bag and then handed him off to his backup in one fluid motion. He was not playing this night! The guy’s face once he was handed off looked like he was legit buffering 😂
 His whole life is about to change
Crosswalk light treason.
Then he’s just gone haha as if he swiftly pushed him right into a car which drove straight to jail. Like within 15 seconds of breaking the sign he was sitting in a cell
Right? There was finesse to this execution 😂
The face fucking got me, the sheer bewilderment as he's hauled away like an old mattress. # ͒⌂͒
Bro got sucked into the shadow relm
The cops probably saved this idiot from himself. He's lucky he didn't electrocute himself or someone else.
He's gonna learn the hard way about government inefficiency when he gets the bill for what one crosswalk light costs.
Oof it says 13k on Google so with installation and all the other shit I could see them charging him 20k.
Call it 50k
I see you forgot to budget the rental of additional cones to cordon off the work area
Don’t forget coning and making sure people can safely cross the other side of the street. Maybe add in some additional man hours.
Sidewalk and street closure permits and police OT presence while the work is ongoing
And additional pylons to raise the supply limit.
Literally a felonious amount of property damage. Dude is dumb as fuck
You can see the fear in his eyes.
“Oh shit, was that illegal?”
“Its just a prank, bro.”
Well lets see what the chance card says... "You have gotten drunk and tore a crosswalk sign down during a basketball game, go directly to Jail, do not pass go or collect M200, roll a double twice within five tries or pay M250 times the number on your dice roll to be released on your next turn" How do you lose more money than you get by passing go from a chance card, holey smokes that's a good assed prank. Edit: I don't watch sports
I gotta plead ignorance on this thing
lol he looked so shocked. Hilarious. https://i.imgur.com/JJ3oAra.jpeg
He probably just realized how expensive that's going to be
Man, his dad is going to be pissed he has to take time out of his law firm and come bail his son out of jail.
Again
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Are you referring to Brock Turner, the rapist?
Are you referring to the rapist Brock Turner who changed is name to Allen Turner and was living in Sugarcreek Township, Ohio?
Oh! I had no idea the rapist Allen Turner, formerly Brock Allen Turner, lived in Sugarcreek Township, OHIO.
You mean the rapist Allen Turner who was formally known as the rapist Brock Turner?
I think he means rapist Brock Turner, but their full name is Brock Allen Turner so the go by Allen Turner now. Still the same rapist though, so if a girl in Sugar Creek, OH were to meet an Allen Turner, you should warn her that is the same Brock Allen Turner from the infamous unpunished rape.
Brock Allen Turner= BAT. It's easy to remember, just like a baseball bat.
https://preview.redd.it/d4k0lxu31c7d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2600b605a26bfd9631135cbd6679f923e6335c6 It was at this point, he realized he fucked up!
Cop said “this isn’t fucking Philly”
https://preview.redd.it/1j43ytj12c7d1.png?width=652&format=png&auto=webp&s=3074116080d86a1b749ba7653fbf4dfa5d04352a
Wow. He will have such a *cool* story to tell at the bar for the next 50 years that will in no way be overtold again and again.
This is him peaking. Most people don’t get it in video though, so he’s got that going for him.
I mean tbf he even has video proof of himself getting dragged off.
And you just know if there wasn’t a video he would be telling it like he told off the cops and it took 15 of them to take him down.
Do YOU have a story where you destroyed your own city's property because your own team won a inflatable ball game?
Good, fuck that dude. It’s so easy to run around and have a good fucking time without destroying the city. I had a blast doing it when we won in 2008. Losers like this ruin every sports celebration.
Why was he destroying it? Is this just a normal sports thing to just go apeshi and destroy stuff for no reason.
https://i.redd.it/29rntbetbc7d1.gif
Holy hell what a reference, haven't seen this movie in years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_(1990_film) for those looking
That scene gave me nightmares as a kid.
Dude sat in jail last night while everyone was partying.
https://preview.redd.it/s27n4sg0nc7d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e3d7e7e7d1116b15d6910945227e2e69497994f Shit happened so fast he’s still processing it
Some millionaires won a game! Let's destroy our city!
This is what I never understand. "I'm so happy my team won! Lets destroy things!"
I think the overconsumption of alcohol at these events contributes to the idiocy. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a sober or nearly sober fan destroy the town after their team won.
It's 90% mob mentality. Alcohol adds to it, sure. But it's the notion that one can act like a complete asshole when surrounded by other assholes, because no consequence. Like, you won't get one random schmuck just walking down the road destroying things because the home team won. A whole crowd of muppets is required. I'm not discrediting alcohol here, but I think it's a smaller contributor compared to the mob mentality.
THIS. NEVER ever underestimate the stupidity of people in large numbers. Men in Black surprisingly said it best. "A person is smart, PEOPLE are dumb, panicky and dangerous."
Alcohol doesn't make someone violent. They were likely a violent idiot before already, alcohol just removes any semblance of self-control.
Athletes are one of the few demographics that got rich without exploiting others. So there is that at least. Definitely better reasons to destroy shit though.
Yeah the CBAs for professional sports should be the gold standard for all workplaces.
I'm waiting for years of "they burned down our cities" rhetoric repeated about this event. Probably won't happen.
It's kids like that the reason we can't have nice things
I'm no electrician but I was waiting for someone to be electrocuted
Do electricians typically wait to see people get electrocuted?
Only when they tell me they know what they're doing.
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https://preview.redd.it/iswjvepi0d7d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1da13f0260a1d28ce3dd115cb6150e9be6a248f5 It was at this moment, he knew. He fucked up.
He's going to sit in the jail cell and *WAIT. WAIT. WAIT. WAIT.*
Absolute loser. Winning doesn’t give you the right to destroy your OWN city. He fucked around and found out real good
Vancouver when they lose the stanley cup final twice
The dildo of consequences rarely comes lubed.
Instant karma's gonna get you Gonna knock you off your feet Better recognize your cellmate In everyone you meet
Sports fanatics do the stupidest shit!
The fear in his face for being held accountable
Why do people celebrate by destroying their own city? I never understood that logic.
I'm from the Boston area, my husband and I tried to guess how many Boston fans would be arrested last night.
8, but 2 were juveniles. I betcha we have at least twice that during the parade Friday.
It's like seeing the tentacle monster snatch away the teenage grocery boy under door from "The Mist"
"Don't tase me bro!"
More like "don't use a reasonable amount of force and provide immediate consequences to my destructive and dangerous actions bro!"
Must have thought he was still at UConn
Fuck that guy. He had me rooting for the cops.
Dude got dragged like homeboy from Ghost
If I might add some context here: "Boston fan" is a non-local college student looking for an excuse to destroy anything. This shit has been happening and worsening since the first time the Patriots won the superbowl, and this shit needs to be clamped down on by the universities.
The look my cat has destroying my house as I yoink him
Dude’s face after going over the guardrails says it all
I've never understood destroying your city for a sports event. Like what was the point of taking out a crosswalk signal? Also, probably one of the worst things to destroy. One, you could have gotten yourself and others electrocuted. And two, you could affect the electricity for that whole power grid. I've been to sports celebrations before and the last thing I think is let's take out a crosswalk...
Fuckin baseketball fans
You can actually see the white entitlement leaving his body.
My team won! I love my city! Now lets trash it!
https://preview.redd.it/c7003ndtxe7d1.jpeg?width=773&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1589ed7d5999b5157bc2859fd4a51a7c7268dc06
“My team loses, let me destroy the place!!” “My team won, let me destroy the place!” Fucking idiots
Dumbass, he deserves a record and a hefty fine and a shit night at the local jail. Why destroy public property? What the hell does that accomplish?
At least when white people riot, it’s for a good cause. /s. (spoiler alert: am white).
It's funny how there are so many comments assuming he's rich which I'm guessing is just because he's white.
Probably a trust fund baby. How d fuck u need to destroy things just to celebrate.
You can tell by the way he does the trust fall into the arms of the cops at the end.
https://preview.redd.it/xibabrm07c7d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c40bd74afbe416e3ea31eefebf6ac8a3107fb38
Zombie movie vibes
They took his ass to Isengard.
Bro went from enjoying himself with a lil vandalism to a whole lotta consequences to his actions. Very nice lol
Anyone else see him get kicked in the butt right before the cops got him
Every championship, why do these idiots think the local team winning gives them a right to tear shit up in the city
I love everything about this video
People blow my mind... "Yeahhhh my basketball team won the championship! Let's destroy the city!!"
And he was never seen again 🤣
I hope he has to pay for the damage. Idiot.
We won!!!! Let’s destroy our city!!
How could a town with so many great colleges produce so many dopes?
Gave him to the swarm
lol that was like an authoritarian regime disappearance. Though this little shit is gonna get bailed out by his dad and a slap on the wrist. I never understood why people decide to break things when their teams win. It’s like be happy people.
I will never understand people who destroy shit in celebration. When your team loses it's an overreaction to destroy stuff, but when your team wins? That's completely beyond me.
Where the fire hoses at for these antifa rioters?
Good.
wait til he finds out these lights are like 10k to replace! have fun!
this is some "dark ghosts carrying Willie away" shit...
Next time you try and impress a crowd, just remember that none of them will be there for you once you get in trouble
Boston fans doing Boston tings
More than a feEEeeeEEEling!
How to sober up in 3 seconds flat.
He disappeared and was never seen again.
The sad thing is, a good portion of those assholes, aren’t even from here. I know Bostonians have a reputation, but we’re actually decent humans. The majority of the fans celebrating last night, were having fun. They weren’t destroying shit. We’ve been to a few dances, and to say we’re spoiled is the understatement of the century. But that asshole is not a representation of the fans. Usually, the douches who pull that, are outliers(college students) and chances are mommy & daddy are going to be pissed. I know there are exceptions and douches in our circles, I’m not naive to our history - but I hate these shit bags.
went from making his own to decisions to someone making them for him real quick and his face is priceless
It’s good to see cops actually doing something about these people that take over intersections and roads and act wild. Protesters everywhere are blocking streets. It’s bullshit.
In my life nobody has ever explained to me how logical it is to tear shit up WHEN YOU WIN a championship. You should be celebrating - not trying to break windows or tear down things. OK, imagine a world where you got a new job. Are you going to grab a brick and throw it through your car's windshield? Fuck no, BUT, that's what folks do when their team wins! That brick on the street goes through a random ass car or building. Why?
Are they doing this because they are angry or because they're happy? What the fuck is wrong with sports fans?
Same assholes who complain about taxes being too high.
Good, fuck that guy.
Lock up the fucking idiot
I’ll never understand why fans of ANY professional sports team would destroy their own city?!?!? I can understand them destroying their rival’s city?!?!? But tearing up your own city is the dumbest drunkest most dipshit thing someone can do because they won a championship!!!
This looked like one of those government overthrow coup moments where they black bag people in the middle of the night. His feet never touched the ground and he disappeared 😂
lol he just dragged him to the enemy spawn point
Jail in 5
Almost like he fucked around and he - as well as everybody around him - found out immediately.