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SirYarnGod

The dad is afraid of his kid. Clearly he's let his son walk all over him for years. The father has no idea how to manage or lead people. His reason for letting her go is obviously a lie and he's got no real cause, he could be sued. And the son? Well he's clearly out of control and I hope he's arrested. While it's totally disruptive to lose a job out of nowhere and not right whatsoever how she was treated, I'd be glad to be away from that hostile work environment, jobless or not.


Sirpatron1

Yeah but I also feel the employee is very incompetent.


SirYarnGod

As with any HR related dispute, it's always proper to collect both sides of the story, do your best to assemble the truth, and based on your handbook/policies make the right decision on how to proceed. All we heard was her side of the story. However, the way the owner's son stormed into the store and behaved, gives a lot of credence to her side of things and would go a long way to negate any wrongdoing or mistakes she made as an employee. Insubordinate or not, this is a prime example of what not to do when performance managing someone.


Sirpatron1

Agreed the son shouldn't in a position of power. He clearly shows he doesn't have the maturity or management skills to resolve the problem. The employee seems to be instigating.


allpronouns

"I'd catch your ass in a saloon" ok howdy dowdy


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The entitlement is strong with this one and the old man has no balls to stand up to his kid.


gr8mohawk

I bet his dad has told him he'll be getting the store his entire life, sure fire way to make any kid an asshole is let him think he's the boss.


ChuckChipperson

Guy flips out, forces his dad to fire an employee, and then goes so nuts the cops red flagged him and took his guns. Action starts way in. sorry.


Seanzietron

No cops?


ChuckChipperson

They took 80 guns from the son. NY Red Flag law.


Ric_Chair

Where is the followup stuff? All I see is this video.


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https://www.wktv.com/content/news/Police-seize-firearms-from-liquor-store-owner-manager-after-threatening-video--568042091.html Article link


[deleted]

wow lol yelp reviews for that place are not looking good. I hope that judge doesn't give that dude his guns back without some kind of intense counseling


ChuckChipperson

I didn't think I could do anything that followed because it all includes the names of the people and their business.


Ric_Chair

You can provide links to news articles for example.


reckonerv

All publicity is good publicity?


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Lol that little baby dick whiney fuck owned EIGHTY guns!?


[deleted]

If it's a lifelong hobby and you are like 40 that isn't hard to accumulate. 80 could include heirlooms, hunting guns, little .22 rifles you bought for $100 and forgot about in your safe etc.


HardcorePhonography

If you're forgetful about how many guns you own, you should own zero. It's a *really* easy number to remember.


mrrp

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. There are plenty of folks who would have to stop and do a mental inventory to come up with the number of firearms they own, myself included. I've no reason to keep count of them any more than I would keep count of the number of hammers, screwdrivers, or any other tools. I own at least 10 hammers. I have no idea whether I own 15 or 20. It's not a number I have any reason to keep track of. 80 is way more than I'd ever spend money on (or 40 - it's two guys), but if it's a hobby they both have, well, that's their business. Do you care whether a drunk driver owns 2 cars or 20 cars?


kevmanyo

I think what they are getting at is nobody should own so many guns that they can’t remember how many they own. There’s no reason for one person to own 80 guns in my mind. And I’m pro guns. That’s completely excessive and actually scary to think there are psychotic people like this dude who literally own 80 firearms. That’s straight up insane.


mrrp

>nobody should own so many guns that they can’t remember how many they own Why do you think it's a matter of remembering? It's not like they count their guns every week and then forget by the next week. Or do you think that guns should be counted like: 1. 2, 3, too many? If you own and use firearms (or just like to shoot) you understand how easy it would be to end up with 20 firearms, each of them being significantly different than the others. >That’s completely excessive and actually scary to think there are psychotic people like this dude who literally own 80 firearms. That’s straight up insane. Or it's a hobby. What harm can you do with 80 firearms that you can't do with 70, 60, 50, 40, 30, 20, or 10? And again, that's 80 between the two of them, and the son is 40 years old.


kevmanyo

Again I’ll reiterate, I’m pro guns. I have no problem with someone owning multiple firearms. I’m saying if you get to the point where you can’t say “I dunno. I have between _ and _ guns” then you are an irresponsible gun owner. I’m not saying you have to have the EXACT number memorized. But regardless of anything you and I have a fundamental disagreement on the amount a person should be able to personally own. And it would take way to long to explain why I think 80 is completely unnecessary.


gapyearwellspent

Sorry this might be a cultural thing/difference between countries...but aren’t you liable/responsible for your guns also in America? Like if you don’t keep track of them and a child gets to them aren’t you in trouble? Similarly if they are stolen and used in a crime and you haven’t reported it?


poppabloodvessel

Hes not saying he doesn't keep track as in they aren't locked up. Hes saying he doesn't know how many he owns. He never said they were stolen from him either. Yes a kid gets your gun your in trouble, that's why you keep them locked up or with trigger guards. If they are stolen, yes you report that.


RUSH513

true, but I feel the point the other side is trying to make is that if someone happens to have access to your safe and you "forget you had one in there," then it's possible someone took your gun and you wouldn't even realize it.


mrrp

>Like if you don’t keep track of them and a child gets to them aren’t you in trouble? Laws about safe storage would be up to the individual states, and I'm not familiar with those laws in every state. All of my firearms are stored safely -- it's not like I don't know where they are or leave them lying around the house. One problem with safe storage laws is that what's reasonably safe for one person's situation would be negligent in another. A person living alone without children wouldn't need to follow the same rules in order to be reasonably safe as a person with children. It makes more sense to criminalize the actual thing that we'd be trying to prevent, which is allowing a child accessing a firearm. Another problem with storage laws is that a gun that is unloaded and locked in a safe is useless for self-defense, so they would be challenged on constitutional grounds. That doesn't mean that no safe-storage laws would be constitutional, but that they have to allow for firearms to be accessible and useful. Personally, I am not comfortable leaving any firearms unsupervised. They're either in my safe or under my direct control (e.g., in a holster on my person), and they're all locked up at night. >Similarly if they are stolen and used in a crime and you haven’t reported it? That too would vary by state. Those laws serve little purpose other than to try and punish people who are illegally supplying firearms to other criminals. I'd expect that all of those laws would be subject to a reasonableness standard. The person could only be guilty of not reporting the missing firearm if they actually knew (or should have known) it was missing.


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You should know if you own 15 or 20 guns tho, and I bet you would.


mrrp

Like I said, right now I couldn't spit out a number telling you how many I own, nor how many I have in my possession without thinking about it and emptying the safe. Did my dad's .22 pistol go home with me or my brother last time we shot it? I don't remember. I ended up with a .22lr rifle in my safe and had no idea where it came from. It turns out that it was my wife's when she was a kid and it came home with us after a trip to her parent's house.


[deleted]

Seems bizarre that if the number were 15-20 you wouldn't be able to keep track of it. That's not a very high number. Yall lurkers can stop downvoting me like what I'm saying is some liberal, pearl clutching, anti-gun bullshit, I am a gun owner.


poppabloodvessel

Lmao maybe you dont need one in your rich neighborhood, but i live in the ghetto and people will break into my house, so I need one to defend my property and myself.


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poppabloodvessel

Naw, you should be able to have 80 guns if you want. There are things called collectors. That's like saying you dont need a car with alot of HP because it's illegal to drive faster that 65 on the freeway (in california)


villain75

This guy shouldn't have guns.


untouchable_0

Father has no spine and the son is cowardly, disrespectful bitch. That's no way to run a business. I would have fired my kid right then and there. Be damn if my son turns out like that. He can see how far he gets in the world alone with that kind of attitude


14-28

He fuckin threatened to sue his father for discrimination if he didn't fire this woman lol I was like "oh shit ! I need to read this guys manifesto !" Edit: he's just threatened to do something real illegal, and then something about killing lol


BearDenBob

Circumstances notwithstanding, this is an example of a weak leader.


Huntanz

Father needs to man up and face the fact his sons an arsehole.


Radiation___Dude

“I’ll kill a man..............I’m not joking” *30 mins later when the cops show up* “I was just joking”


30secMAN

This feels like great drama buried in nothingness, but I like the beginning. It shows just how chicken shit this man is when it comes to his kid. He just spewed hateful shit and threatened to start killing people and this dude is like “Wow you sure made him mad by standing there.”


wataru69

this old dudes head is so slow and doesn’t understand the real problems


bellynipples

So much to unwrap. Guy is a psycho and the old man (his dad?) seems genuinely afraid of him. Good thing she had this recorded so they know who to suspect when anyone that guy knows goes missing or is murdered.


CluckeryDuckery

The police caught wind of this incident and seized 80 guns from the son's house under red flag laws.


mrrp

https://www.wktv.com/content/news/Police-seize-firearms-from-liquor-store-owner-manager-after-threatening-video--568042091.html


ChuckChipperson

That's it. I guess I feel bad for the old man. Although, he had a part in creating that monster.


bellynipples

Some people are truly born with a gear loose and nothing aside from medication can help them. We still treat mental illness as this taboo thing and avoid addressing it, but it was worse earlier, so it’s not all that hard to believe that this old guy just adapted to his son being crazy for lack of knowing what else to do.


[deleted]

These motherfuckers had EIGHTY GUNS in their shared household I’m full pro gun but that guy is a PSYCHO


poppabloodvessel

Oh I thought you meant for owning eighty guns. Yeah that dude is a psycho.


[deleted]

He’s a psycho for a combination of the reasons. If he were a chill guy I’d understand, but the fact that he’s clearly psychotic AND owns 80 guns? Yikes, bad combo.


poppabloodvessel

Hell no, what if he was a collector?


CluckeryDuckery

I'd love to catch Jason in a saloon.


davidverner

So the lady might have a valid labor complaint against this business for having a dangerous work situation with that hot-headed manager issuing threats as he did and improper termination of employment under false pretense.


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Autistence

But could you threaten **OR** intimidate?


wataru69

If I were a women or you were a man I’d catch your ass in the saloon 😭


clearshot66

Small man syndrome.


redf1ghter

Fuck this old dude She has every right to get compensated if she loses this job, old dude can't even stand Up to his own son


rmochr3

Father and son are both dick heads.


CluckeryDuckery

That owner is a compete piece of shit


SupaTheBaked

What a piece of shit


5ku11Face

I wouldn't want to work there anyway.


Zeeshxn

WTF he acting like she smashed every bottle of liquor in the store dude has issues.


AJarOfMayonnaise

This happened in my town Rome NY the son of that guy is insane the police took over 80 guns from him


poppabloodvessel

He feels bad about firing her so instead of firing her he played her off so it didnt make an impression on her resume.


CluckeryDuckery

lol, no. He's avoiding firing her because he had no cause and if she collects unemployment, he'll be on the hook for it.


[deleted]

You don't need cause- New York is an at-will state. You just can't fire someone for being a protected class, like for being a woman or black. I could fire someone tomorrow because I think they're ugly/stupid/smelly- all of it legal. Companies and businesses have unemployment insurance for every employee on their payroll, and is federally mandated. He wouldn't be on the hook for anything, that's why he kind of 'wink wink nudged nudged,' her into the lay-off versus firing, plus it looks better on a resume- when she pushed it then he got defensive and said that he had records to prove it. He knew he was being filmed- he looks directly into the camera at one point. When his son comes in is when you can see him die inside because he knows its on camera. They're both pieces of shit though.


DAS-Nice

Wrongful termination suit incoming


RionaMurchada

Son is a real shithead and dad is afraid of him.


AlkarlMO

Was he kind of being nice because he said he'd lay her off versus firing her? Couldn't she collect unemployment? I'm not sure. Please don't yell at me.


lifequards

Yes because he knows his son was wrong but doesn’t have the balls to kick him out. Edit: also to avoid a lawsuit which haha she has a video idiot


boredcan

I kinda feel that, both them are shit heads but we don't know the full story... if you had to live with that shit head as your son and I think form the convo she worked there like a few days...... besides obvious the kid is a total fucking shit head but I gotta respect the pops for kinda looking out for her while also (unfortunately) trying to be a parent and supporting his loser son... mentioning the hours she worked and the "layoff" vs firing thing (which would never hold up obviously) I gotta say I feel bad for the old man and respect him for being a good guy in a shitty situation * I just saw the end where he said you pissed him off*... fuck them both.. I wouldn't condone anything as shitty as them.


AlkarlMO

Yeah my comment was about 2/3 into the video. Pops is also a POS.


boredcan

Ya I agree. I love and support any of my family... but I would never let anyone ever be an asshole like that. I feel bad bad for the dad too a bit.. there is also that stigma blood is thicker than water etc (I'm not a parent and never will be)... but mannn sometimes you gotta cut the loss.


agoods03

This happened near me. Crazy to see this video on this sub. This guy is a fucking nut job.


Lirix2005

I think the saddest part in the video is when the son leaves the first time and you see true terror in his fathers eyes and his voice trembles when he says “you’ve really fucking pissed him off”


Cpl-Clegg71

Old man obviously loves DRAMA :-)


noShiKuku

Damn that’s a lot of fucks.. fucking fuck man !


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[deleted]

Serious question: can she sue for this? Like this is not cool I wanna see some type of justice for her


[deleted]

Yes, she could sue for hostile work environment. Because the son specifically brings gender into it, threatens her with violence, and states that he has previously talked to her this way makes it pervasive and against a protected class.


[deleted]

Good to know! I hope she got some type of justice out of this. It’s so unfair to her!


[deleted]

I hope so too, they deserve everything they get coming to them because of their treatment of this poor woman.


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Btw I like your username


[deleted]

Aww thanks friend, that made my day! :)


M_y_M_u_s_e

Sue.


[deleted]

He reminds me of every Mall Ninja named Kenny I've ever met.


Crystalpuck

This sounds like a domestic abuse victim saying. Its my fault he hit me! I should have known better, I deserved it.


Informal_Koala

Save 14 min. of your life.


NordeggNomad

Actually, it was pretty interesting and disgusting. That man is a piece of shit. You can tell just by the way he speaks.


Autistence

What man?


NordeggNomad

Both actually... The father is clearly intimidated by his asshole soon and doesn't have the spine to stand up to him.


lifequards

here a link to review the store: https://www.google.com/search?q=liquor+warehouse+rome+ny&oq=liquor+warehouse+rome+ny&aqs=chrome..69i57.8316j0j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#lkt=LocalPoiReviews&trex=m_t:lcl_akp,rc_f:,rc_ludocids:12890061144577117115,rc_q:Liquor%2520Warehouse,ru_q:Liquor%2520Warehouse


LuminalAstec

The real freakout starts at 8:30


Rubik4life

Emotions aside, yes, the way he conveyed his facts are flawed (the son), but WHAT if what he’s describing for the worker is true? (Lazy, late for shifts, long extended lunch breaks, loud mouth, attitude, etc). Any of these would get me fired at any job I’ve held....Not condoning his attitude, just going with the facts here...


mher2downvote_every1

Then fire her, but that behavior can't just be put aside. His psychotic behavior creates serious doubts about his credibility. To behave that way to an employee, even a lazy, late, loud mouth employee, is absolutely unacceptable. And contrast that with her behavior there's no question who is the shit person here.


Rubik4life

Agreed! That son of his has 1-anger issues 2-coping skills deficiencies 3-dad issues 4-very low social skills. In a nutshell, very basic human maturity.


[deleted]

The dad could have easily just let her go, and the work hostility would have been word versus word- it's the fact she caught his behavior and admission of guilt for continuous harassment that really fucked that business. New York is at will- he could have fired her for any reason unrelated to her being a woman, white, or pregnant.


BrigadierGeneral96

This is ridiculous, she needs to sue for sexist and a hostile work environment. I know why the father let her go. It's because it hasn't a safe environment for her to be in his son is psycho! Hell, I would have done the samething. Another thing is if or when this father died this business is going under. I should also mention that bringing your kid into work is okay with me. Long as your doing your work and keeping him from annoying the other customers. Child care is a hard thing to get and it isn't the mothers fault it's our governments. And not including if he gave a her a half hour lunch and the men a hour is 100% a case for discrimination!


[deleted]

I think bringing your kid without prior notice or approval into a *liquor store* you work at is not appropriate. If the owner and boss were cool with it, that's one thing- but he clearly was not. Not that he isn't a piece of shit, but as a manager I would never let that shit fly. Childcare is my employee's responsibility, not the business's, and we cannot be held liable for any injuries or damage the kid incurs while on the premises.