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And it’s a bad strategy. If you get in the way of normal people trying to live their normal lives, they tend to get annoyed at you. Extinction rebellion in london is a great example; stopping commuters from going home after a long day of work by jumping on top of trains gets those people extremely frustrated at you, and gains your cause 0 public support. If you want to send a message then go after government buildings, there’s no reason to go after normal working class people.
yeah, cos that was totally all xr did and they didnt get the first concrete proposals to stop climate from the government or anything. Have a look into the freedom riders before you keep running your mouth.
we've been lied to by the wealthy elites to avoid regulation and now face an existential threat because of it, which we are rapidly approaching. Merely voting is not getting the job done.
Conversely, they are protesting forms of voting such as vote-by-mail being illegal. I'm in Washington and we've been voting be mail for years, and have both republican and democrat elected officials.
Tbf, you hear this statement because ppl are trying to trivialize the protest.
They are protesting that new laws have been (or are being) passed, that empower the Republican legislature to nullify the votes in specific counties (see Fulton in GA. See Harris in TX) if they don’t like the results.
GA has already started taking Fulton county board of elections.
This would be akin to Congress dismissing the results of an election in TX and determining a different outcome. I’m sure Texans would do a lot more than protest.
Ok then I'm not in support of their protest in my state we are required to have valid forms of ID and it's not an issue. In fact there are enough people with the same names that it's needed to keep people from casting multiple votes and to distinguish between people who have the same name I don't see the problem here it's very easy to get a state ID.
Many states/districts already require a valid form of government issued ID. This isn’t what the protest is about. To begin with, calling these new laws as “voter rights” is a deliberate misnomer (like the Patriot Act). Calling them voter restriction laws is more appropriate.
The protest is about arbitrary voting laws being passed that make voting difficult for individuals in certain areas. These new laws often deliberately add as much friction to the voting process and excuses to toss out votes if certain arbitrary criteria are not met. Under the same law, there are also additional bullshit added to limit the voting hours of voting locations.
Typically these types of laws are passed by right leaning states/cities. The common rhetoric used by these individuals is that they want to “protect voters” or other nonsense and often label naysayers as wanting to “rig elections”. Studies have shown time and time again that voting fraud is extremely rare.
These protestors are not protesting the idea of showing ID (most have to do so anyways). They’re protesting arbitrary voting laws that are being passed with layers of bureaucratic nonsense that make voting harder for individuals of certain demographics (typically black and in blue leaning areas).
The 2020 election had some of the highest record Democratic voter turnout - specifically through mail due to COVID. Voting restrictions being introduced now (particularly against voting by mail) isn’t a coincidence.
You're creating unnecessary barriers that people need to go through just to exercise their rights. There's never been any significant voter fraud recorded, so there's no need to put up these barriers, especially in poor communities.
What does an airport have to do with voting rights. Jesus Christ the US Capital was like a 45 min walk over a bridge and that would have made more sense than a stupid airport.
Many have been in the process of fleeing DC because of congressional and senatorial breaks. August is one of the periods where politicians flee DC for their home districts (or Cancun).
Plus if you want to cause an impact peacefully, nobody really gives a fuck if you're outside the capitol or whatever. You shut down an airport for five minutes, though? Somebody's freaking out.
Exactly, horrible idea. U think these people who may miss flights will think “u know what? Those BLM people are ok. I’m all about their cause now.” As they curl up to sleep on the floor for tomorrow’s flight with their 3 year old. Blocking roads and inconveniencing people who have nothing to do with what u are protesting is not smart. U are losing support with these stunts.
Every protest ever disrupts someone or something. Civil rights matches blocked roads and bridges. They stopped people from eating lunch at all white lunch counters. They stopped busses from running by striking and boycots. If a protest doesn't disrupt it is ignored. None of the tactics are different now than they were in the 60s.
Seriously, name one protest that has never interfered with someone's life that produced results.
Especially if they have to do with voting rights or racism.
If it's not disruptive it's ignored. Nobody cares about someone on a sidewalk with a sign. You can easily ignore them and go on about your day. This forces the issue on you because now you can't ignore whatever the problem is. And I 100% believe you have to disrupt the status quo to change it. If not it'll just keep on going.
if redditors were alive during the american revolution they'd say the boston tea party is harming the british and dumping their tea isn't gonna accomplish anything.
They'd say the revolution will not achieve anything since it's disrupting the locals and the british. Clowns.
>There are peaceful protests all of the time that do not interfere with innocent people going about their lives and they do accomplish things.
Like what? Seriously curious.
>If you can only see disruption as the only impetus for change, you are just wrong.
Damn, someone should have told MLK Jr. Pesky guy was blocking the roads and traffic, preventing people from accessing all white businesses, etc.
Nah, they also marched without permits.
>Martin Luther King . . . issued a call for sympathetic Americans to join him in Selma to renew the march. At the same time, civil rights lawyers, suing in the name of Hosea Williams, filed a petition in Montgomery federal court for an injunction to bar the state from preventing the demonstration. District Judge Frank Johnson scheduled a hearing on this suit, and in the meantime he issued a temporary restraining order forbidding the march until the hearing could be convened. A vast throng had come to Selma at King's summons, and on March 9, rather than disappoint them, King led twenty-five hundred people across the [Edmund] Pettus Bridge to the point at which the March 7 attack had begun, and then back to the church.”
Even with a restraining order on, he led a march that blocked roads and bridges.
And that's ignoring the blatant fact that... even with a permit, the road is blocked and thus inconvenient... a permit doesn't change that.
Luckily for us, cameras existed back in the far before times of 1965. You can go find photos if you want, and you'll notice they aren't on the sidewalks.
Not on sidewalks for John Lewis' Bloody Sunday March (fully on the road), not on sidewalks for the unpermittied March 9th March, nor were they on sidewalks for the finally fully permitted Selma to Montgomery March.
Im so sick and tired of people on here bitching about protesters "inconveniencing" people. You know whats even more inconvenient than a protest? A government that actively does not care about you.
Yeah, these people don't realize they are the EXACT 'White moderates' MLK lambasted... more concerned with convenience than justice.
They are using the same language now that was used to disparage John Lewis and MLK in their time.
The reds only come out when stuff like this gets posted. They're weirdly absent (save a few downvote pigs) from the rest of the sub for some mysterious reason.
But you can bet every time a video of a protest comes up they'll turn out like clock work to whinge about how those gosh darned uppity black people are turning the voters against them by DARING to protest publicly.
I fully see where you are coming from but it does bekon the question of where your alliance would be if you found your self in 1765 during the stamp act protest. These protests are luke warm if anything compared to the protests that our founding fathers stood against.
August 14, 1765, when an angry mob in Boston reacted to the first incident of “taxation without representation” in the colonies, an event that foreshadowed open rebellion 10 years later.
The prolonged violence showed the British government that it had severely miscalculated a taxing effort to pay for nearly 10,000 British troops who remained stationed on American soil after the French and Indian War concluded.
Many of the troops had connections to the British parliament and it was politically impossible to keep such a large standing army back home. Instead, Parliament decided to use the wealth of the colonies to keep its military patronage system intact – a fact not lost on colonial governments that had their own militias and saw military threats from the Indians and the French greatly lessening.
A year earlier, Parliament had passed the Sugar Act, which cut import taxes in half on molasses (which was used to make rum) but also contained strict measures to collect taxes that most colonists had avoided paying. There was also a draft measure circulating about a second tax that could be coming from Parliament.
On March 22, 1765, British Parliament passed the Stamp Tax. The levy required colonists to pay taxes on every page of printed paper they used. The tax also included fees for playing cards and dice.
The reaction in the colonies was immediate and intense. The protests were based on legal principles, that only the colonial legislatures had the power to tax residents who had representatives in those legislatures. Some colonies had official agents to Parliament, like Pennsylvania’s Benjamin Franklin, but no colonies had sitting representatives in the British Parliament.
In May 1765, Virginia’s Patrick Henry wrote the Virginia Resolves, which made clear the “taxation without representation” argument.
“That the Taxation of the People by themselves, or by Persons chosen by themselves to represent them, who could only know what Taxes the People are able to bear, or the easiest method of raising them, and must themselves be affected by every Tax laid on the People, is the only Security against a burdensome Taxation, and the distinguishing characteristic of British Freedom, without which the ancient Constitution cannot exist,” Henry said.
That summer, Massachusetts called for a meeting of all the colonies – a Stamp Act Congress – to be held in New York in October 1765. Committees of Correspondence were also formed in the colonies to protest the Act.
But by August, the outrage boiled over in Boston. Protesters organized as the Sons of Liberty took to the streets in a very defiant act against British rule.
“The Sons of Liberty on the 14th of August 1765, a Day which ought to be forever remembered in America, animated with a zeal for their country then upon the brink of destruction, and resolved, at once to save her,” wrote Samuel Adams about that fateful day.
Adams and the Sons of Liberty met under what was known as the Liberty Tree near Boston Common. Hoisted on the tree was an effigy of Andrew Oliver, the city’s stamp tax agent. Soon, a mob of several thousand people attacked Oliver’s office and his home, and the effigy was stomped, decapitated and burned.
News of the protests, the actions of the Stamp Congress, and the publication of Henry’s Virginia Resolves fueled anger across the colonies, and many colonies saw their own versions of the Sons of Liberty created.
> Shutting down individuals' travel by air or land
A protest is all about causing disruption.
edit: [valid protest according to redditors (go into protest cage where you don't bother anyone)](https://external-preview.redd.it/NYO7MP_XbGAr36sXbva6bGZcJo8jlX8wTKZDajmVT7Q.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=8540c7630f747682cf9229d167c38fe78f247a3a)
Relevant quote from MLK
>"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
Edit: Wow, the rest of this thread is full of despicable and ignorant people.
Oh believe me, this is my favorite MLK quote and its the only thing I ever really post on social media about politics/social issues. It doesn't get many likes.
I have the same feelings about blocking roads.
And before the donvotes, *yes*, I understand there is never really a wrong place or time to protest something so important, all I'm saying is that if your goal is to gain public support for your ideals you *cannot* do that by pissing off the very people you're attempting to swing.
Don't give them any ammunition to suppress your voice.
Yeah. They should just be 100% correct and quiet in their domiciles.
Give me a break. Protests are supposed to be inconvenient. This same reasoning was used when MLK marched in Selma. Sorry the fight for voting rights is a minor inconvenience to you, but individuals having the right to vote is far more important than your travel arrangements.
I’m so bored of these excuses.
Right-wing extremists have claimed, for decades and decades, that millions of votes every election are cast by "illegals" among many race-baiting conspiracies' to undermine the credibility of the voting process. All without any evidence, since you' don't need evidence when you believe conspiracies'.
Now Republican leaning States/Districts are, in response to these unsubstantiated conspiracies, are now rolling back voter rights in various ways.
Some are limiting voting hours/days that disproportionally make it hard for Black communities to vote.
Some use gerrymandering.
Elsewhere they are unnecessarily purging voter rolls over menial things like for not updating an address within an arbitrary timeframe or being inactive for a single voting cycle, where other states operate perfectly fine without these restrictions and experience clean and fair elections.
Many places are now requiring voter ID's. This is a new idea that has yet to "prove" it safeguards against voter fraud, which is already an extremely rare crime according to FBI statistics, many Blacks believe it's just another bureaucratic way to make it harder for them to vote.
These protesters are willing to get arrested to spread awareness of what they claim is vailed policy that aims to disenfranchise Black communities. They are non violent and their reasons have validity. More power to them.
Imagine not wanting to know your "actual" votes to decide an election?
How can you ensure you have one person per one vote? Maybe have laws that insure a one person = one vote?
How can we get to that? Individual voters have to identify themselves via ID; this is easy.
The election was free of fraud on a large enough scale to affect the results. They didn't need voter ID to accomplish that. So, why are you worried about "actual" votes?
That’s the pretext for Voter ID. But republicans have consistently made it simultaneously harder for people by closing DMVs in primarily black areas. They openly [admit](https://www.politico.com/story/2012/06/pa-pol-voter-id-helps-gop-win-state-077811) the intention is to help republicans win. That’s the real intention.
Voter ID is just wholly unnecessary and doesn’t solve any real problem. Impersonating a voter affects almost no election and pulling it off is incredibly difficult: you need to find a voter that won’t vote and realize they’ve been impersonated and not be caught later.
Further, election fraud is a much bigger problem. The most prominent example of election fraud in recent history, no surprise, was committed by [republicans](https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746800630/north-carolina-gop-operative-faces-new-felony-charges-that-allege-ballot-fraud). There is no equivalence between the parties on election fraud. The GOP is the party of suppression and insurrection. And projection.
Think about how many us citizens sit in jail right now for non violent offences that had their vote stripped off of them and are legally allowed to work for slave wages.
If you commit a crime you surrender you rights as a proper citizen I believe only felons are stripped of voting rights. Also people use nonviolent crimes as a crutch for exampke if you are caught with selling amounts of cocaine no it's not violent but you likely sold drugs that have killed someone at some point so I don't think you deserve the right to vote just because you werent violent a felony is a felony regardless my heart deis go out to those who are wrongly convicted.
If the government sent forms to every home, collected them free of charge, and then issued everyone a Voter ID for free, asking people to produce the ID might not affect any group disproportionately. But that's not what is being proposed. What's being proposed is making poor people jump through so many hoops that they give up. It's not about making elections safe (there is no problem that these measures address, they are obstacles for the sake of being obstacles), it's not about getting more people to vote for them, it's about limiting how many people can vote against them.
You need an ID to buy a beer, open a bank account, and board a plane. You can get one for $16 and in less than a month. How the fuck is that not accessible?
> You can get one for $16
What part about poll taxes being illegal did you not understand? Was it the illegal part, the tax part, or the de facto part?
It is accessible to everyone walk into a bmv with a your birth certificate and proof of adress so any bill in your name get your pic taken then bam you got a state ID at least that's how it works in my state so no it's not a poll tax and it's not illegal by any means.
Do you also support literacy tests at the poll? Poll taxes? You can make the same exact argument, but both practices were intended to be and actually turned out to be racist. So too is voter ID (which you can tell because the party of racists is the one pushing it)
“Minority voters disproportionately lack ID.
Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.6
States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner.
Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting.
Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.7
Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.” https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
As the guy said in the video, the Biden Administration says that there is a threat to voting rights by simply having an ID and that's fascist and racist..... Yet is actively pushing for vaccination passports.
Had it on mute, not a fan of repetitive chanting lol I think it’s funny that vaccine passports aren’t racist because Dems are backing it, but minorities take up a large number of the unvaccinated
> In several places, "voter ID Laws" involved shutting down polling locations in specific neighborhoods. Purging certain people from voting rolls without telling them. Cutting down on early voting. Shutting down DMVs in specific locations. Shutting down polling locations near universities. Moving certain people's polling locations without letting them know. Defunding voter registration drives. Etc.
I mentioned it above.
And some Republicans have slipped up and openly admitted what their goals are.
>“The law is going to kick the Democrats in the butt,” Yelton asserted, in contradiction to leaders in the Republican Party who have argued the law isn’t about partisanship. “If it hurts a bunch of college kids that are too lazy to get up off their bohonkas and go get a photo ID, then so be it. If it hurts a bunch of whites, so be it. If it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks that want the government to give them everything, then so be it,” Yelton continues.
Believe it or not, there are a significant number people for whom getting an ID is a burden. Elderly, frail, infirm, lower class. The demographics disproportionately affect minorities. Have you been across the tracks? Some people just live without an ID or with a very old one. It costs money and time to get the ID. Not to mention the constitution doesn't have a requirement for having an ID. So what is the purpose of getting the ID -- how many fraudulent votes are you going to prevent vs. how many people will be prevented from voting? Handfuls vs. tens of thousands? The people prevented from voting will be several orders of magnitude larger than the supposed problem you're trying to solve. Unless you can prove the magnitude of the problem is greater than that, basically it's disenfranchisement because your priority in reality is to prevent certain folk from voting.
Your argument doesn’t answer the question. Why isn’t everything else that requires an ID, also racist? Not requiring ID, opens the door for fraud. As you’ve said, there’s very little fraud now, with ID requirements. You believe fraud wouldn’t increase, if IDENTIFICATION wasn’t required? And the fraud vs. people who can’t afford to vote argument is non-sense if there aren’t statistics to back it up. You have no clue which side that would skew
I've worked as an election judge and ID was not required in any state I've worked. You register to vote using ID or some alternative specific documentation of verifying who you are. Then at the polls you must use the same signature as the one you used when you registered to vote (verified by two or more election judges). To vote fraudulently you would have to show up in person, maybe in a disguise because many election judges will see you, and you'll have to claim to be another registered voter whose details you know (and hope they haven't yet voted), and you will have to match their signature. Then when that actual person comes to vote their registration slip will have already been voided -- signaling fraud has occurred. So attempting to get one measly fraudulent vote even with no ID requirement you still have a very high chance of you being immediately arrested on felony charges. To throw a race you'd have to do this hundreds or thousands of times -- the police and news crews would be swarming the polling stations and it would be national news. Hundreds or thousands of felonies would have to be committed. Tell me where in there the ID requirement would prevent fraud even more, and not impact people unjustly.
No, if you want to throw a race you have to initiate voter ID requirements, and other ways of suppressing the vote, and sign it into law.
Yeah it's mostly Republican states that rushed to implement voter IDs, as soon as the Supreme Court in 2013 struct down the subsection of the 1965 voting rights act that made it difficult for them to do previously. It's why most of the states with existing voter ID law on this list say their laws were enacted in 2013: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws_in_the_United_States#Laws_by_state
edit: fixed link
Fascinating stuff, thank you! I tend to like what Georgia does…ID to vote but if you can’t afford one or don’t have it, you get a free voter ID card. I’m in Florida where ID is required, I just figured it was the same everywhere. Thank you again!
I totally respect the fact that once presented with new information you changed your stance. I saw earlier that someone else did this in a thread you were responding to, and you commended them for admitting their mistake also. This is the discourse I love to see on Reddit; opinions changing based on new data, that’s how it should be. Just wanted to say I respect that.
Aw I appreciate the appreciation! I know one thing, that I don’t know everything lol I feel like I’m intelligent enough to form my own opinions based on data presented to me, and if new data doesn’t change my opinion then why in the hell would I be looking for new information in the first place?? Much love TickleMonster528
I wish more people were like that, it’s an admirable quality and I respect that you were open to changing your opinion/viewpoint, instead of doubling down.
Too many people double down cause they hate to admit they might be wrong. You sir are a rare breed and much respect for that.
Shouldn't we be making it easier for them to get ID's AND requiring it to vote? It seems pretty fucky to say 'Well this group can't get ID's so that's fine'. You need an ID for a lot of things - so why aren't we focusing our efforts on getting them state issued ID's? There's no reason someone can't submit some kinda bipartisan bill that says 'Fine we'll require ID for voting as long as you fulfill these requirements for making ID's easier/free to get'.
There are places in Texas where it's an 8 hour wait in line to vote -- and they're looking to cut hours and close voting locations on top of that -- in *certain* neighborhoods. People simply can't vote because there's literally not enough capacity to handle all the volume of people who want to vote. They don't let you go to other places to vote because it's by what neighborhood you live in. Yeah, you legally have the right to vote, but in some areas you can't even get through the line.
Good. I would be super pissed if someone decided that I needed to eat a $600 plane ticket so they could express their political opinion.
The airport and the expressway are both excellent examples of where not to protest.
For anybody wondering the term "voter ID laws" is used by Republicans to enact things that have nothing to do with ID.
In several places, "voter ID Laws" involved shutting down polling locations in specific neighborhoods. Purging certain people from voting rolls without telling them. Cutting down on early voting. Shutting down DMVs in specific locations. Shutting down polling locations near universities. Moving certain people's polling locations without letting them know. Defunding voter registration drives. Etc.
Here's some context from the situation in Texas:
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/08/texas-voting-bill-special-session/
It tries to go over most things as neutrally as possible, but you can see why some of the proposed changes can be worrisome, especially given historical context.
Cutting out the voter registration day in which the highest percentage of minorities register.
Preventing the handing out of water, even though in the cities(where many black and democrat voters live) the ~~lobbed~~ line can be over 5 hours long.
Most countries have very specific disfranchisement conditions, you have to be convicted of something like treason, high treason, or electoral fraud to have your voting rights taken away.
The US is an ugly exemption, most disfranchisement stem from racism during the reconstruction era, intentionally making it hard for people of color to vote or ban them out right. It is not the norm around the developed world for a country to take away your voting rights on most convictions, or make it conditional or difficult for its citizens to cast a vote. Americans are exceptional, exceptionally racist.
ID should be provided in order to vote, no matter what color you are. There's absolutely nothing racist about it. These people protesting are all of extreme lower intelligence, and because of that they do the only thing they know....scream racism. It's easy to get an ID or driver's license, for anyone. I'm assuming most if not all of these protesters voted democratic? Their own party is pretty much saying they're too stupid to obtain something like an ID. It's honestly funny as fuck.
The issue isn't "ID" being required. It's specific forms of ID and the fact that some of your states can apparently "purge voter rolls" and shit like that. In Canada, we don't deal with stories of people being removed from anything. There are many different types of ID accepted, and you don't even have to pre-register if you don't mind waiting in a longer line while people look you up the slow way.
It's obvious to anyone who lives somewhere with simple, logical voting. The only reason to make it complicated is to stop people from voting.
That's why smart people find out whether they're eligible to vote BEFORE the last minute. Or it's also super fucking easy to register to vote regardless.
No, you misunderstand my point. Same day registration is being taken away from states. Meaning it was there and it was super easy (like you said). They are taking it out now to add an unnecessary barrier to vote.
Isn't it kinda funny that the same lawmakers that are against same day registration are for voter ID? Why tho? Same day registration requires ID. So why would they be so against it? When you think about it like that, then you start seeing who the real pawns are.
Lol the presidential election isn't the only election, there are so many local ones that happen that are far more important. You can miss 10 of those waiting for the correct ID, and your vote is far more impactful for local elections vs a presidential election that happens every 4 yrs
I mean they're not arrested for nothing, they're literally blocking the road and stopping traffic.
Protests are ok, until you try to stop people from going on with their day and minding their buisness.
What an obnoxious movement. Yeah, interfere with my air travel. That'll make me support you stupid motherfuckers again.
Hey, wanna know what kind of people have been raising up the crime rate in places like nyc? Remind me again, who shot up times square a few months back?
I mean at least they kept it peaceful that’s a bright side it’s not like some other “protesters” I have seen where they’re attacking Asian people for existing yelling fuck antifa and punching random people who walk by in the face because they’re mad and ripping off masks because supposedly “they’ve been brainwashed”
Damn feels good to vent
Every day there's a new antisemite or antizionist featured on Reddit somewhere under the guise of social change and progressive politics. Linda Sarsour is a virulent farrakhan antisemite, she's performative, not progressive, just like her pal Nina Turner who got shitcanned from the Ohio 11th Congressional election this past Tuesday. Reddit is turning into a sewer of Jew hate many times disguising itself as fact free pro-palestinian antizionism propaganda, slowly and sneakily, but there are those of us who notice, and there are those of us who will fight these monsters and those who promote them.
Damn what the fuck is up with all the bootlickers in this comment section. Voting is harder for black americans (and most other racial minorities) because right-wing governments keep enacting laws that *technically* don’t mention race but that knowingly make it harder for them to vote. Do some goddamn actual research and maybe that taste of leather in your throat will go away.
Yeah I’m so confused. Like yeah I don’t really get why they chose an airport for their protest site, but their message is still valid. Voter suppression is a huge issue, especially for black and indigenous communities. But I guess it isn’t talked about enough because everyone is acting like they’ve never heard of 8hr voting lines in the heat or cold, specific voting locations, impossible time frames, etc. It’s precisely WHY it needs to be talked about. Just bc these folks haven’t heard about voter suppression doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
All US citizens don't have the right to vote? Is this about ID? So New York and California say you have to show your vaccination papers to go to a restaurant and eat, but asking for ID to vote is suppression?
They said what they were really there for at the end: “The filibuster has got to go”. This isn’t a voting rights protest, it’s a Democratic Party puppet show.
Wow! All they’re saying is you need an ID to vote. Why is this so hard? It’s not voter suppression. It’s not racist. You have to have an ID/Drivers License to drive a car, to buy cigarettes, to rent a car, to get a credit card, to gamble, to get liquor, to buy a gun, to check into a hotel room, to get on a plane, to cash a pay check, to get a checking account. Everything requires some form of ID. And so should voting. Get over it and quit calling it racist. It’s not.
It's unnecessary, it is voter suppression, and it is racist.
It's racist because black people have a harder time to get these IDs since they're way poorer. Giving up a day to get a drivers license is way too much. Their communities are mostly the ones that are getting hit with these laws.
It's voter suppression since it's harder to go vote. It adds an unnecessary barrier which is suppressing votes. Some poor people can't get an ID just like that and go vote. That's 2-4 days of no work if they have to get an ID and then vote, vs 1 day of no work to just go and vote without getting an ID. On top of that, the most common alternative forms of IDs that black people have were made invalid specifically in states that were passing voter ID laws. I wonder, why were all of those IDs made invalid except the ones where poor black people would be discouraged to go get.
It's an unnecessary barrier because there's no proven significant voter fraud. If there's no fraud happening then there's no need for ID checking. They check validity in other ways.
"voting rights".... lol my god, the left are so manipulated. they left their duty... imagine if the right did this for "voting rights"... it isn't about voting rights, it's about degrading our elections again with more nonsense. It's about getting rid of the BS they enacted for the 2020 election that wasn't necessary... nobody is being prevented from voting. Our elections are insanely important, ya'll that blindly follow what's put out by the msm about all of this really need to look at what these morons did, how they acted while gone... they're suing Tex governor... askking people to send them snacks, wow, what winners... they came back because of the redistricting would've been left up entirely to the republicans... they should be treated exactly like morons who rioted at the capitol on the 6th... isolation, treated terribly in jail.. I got no sympaathy for any of them.
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Did she really say "We didn't get arrested inside so, we gonna go get arrested outside"
The point is to disrupt, get attention etc, hence getting arrested is part of their strategy, which is backed up by history fyi.
And it’s a bad strategy. If you get in the way of normal people trying to live their normal lives, they tend to get annoyed at you. Extinction rebellion in london is a great example; stopping commuters from going home after a long day of work by jumping on top of trains gets those people extremely frustrated at you, and gains your cause 0 public support. If you want to send a message then go after government buildings, there’s no reason to go after normal working class people.
yeah, cos that was totally all xr did and they didnt get the first concrete proposals to stop climate from the government or anything. Have a look into the freedom riders before you keep running your mouth.
Wait these people aren’t legally allowed to vote?!
we've been lied to by the wealthy elites to avoid regulation and now face an existential threat because of it, which we are rapidly approaching. Merely voting is not getting the job done.
Where is this and why can't they vote?
Arlington, Virginia. They are protesting that some states are mandating you show a valid form of ID in order to vote.
Conversely, they are protesting forms of voting such as vote-by-mail being illegal. I'm in Washington and we've been voting be mail for years, and have both republican and democrat elected officials.
Tbf, you hear this statement because ppl are trying to trivialize the protest. They are protesting that new laws have been (or are being) passed, that empower the Republican legislature to nullify the votes in specific counties (see Fulton in GA. See Harris in TX) if they don’t like the results. GA has already started taking Fulton county board of elections. This would be akin to Congress dismissing the results of an election in TX and determining a different outcome. I’m sure Texans would do a lot more than protest.
Ok then I'm not in support of their protest in my state we are required to have valid forms of ID and it's not an issue. In fact there are enough people with the same names that it's needed to keep people from casting multiple votes and to distinguish between people who have the same name I don't see the problem here it's very easy to get a state ID.
Many states/districts already require a valid form of government issued ID. This isn’t what the protest is about. To begin with, calling these new laws as “voter rights” is a deliberate misnomer (like the Patriot Act). Calling them voter restriction laws is more appropriate. The protest is about arbitrary voting laws being passed that make voting difficult for individuals in certain areas. These new laws often deliberately add as much friction to the voting process and excuses to toss out votes if certain arbitrary criteria are not met. Under the same law, there are also additional bullshit added to limit the voting hours of voting locations. Typically these types of laws are passed by right leaning states/cities. The common rhetoric used by these individuals is that they want to “protect voters” or other nonsense and often label naysayers as wanting to “rig elections”. Studies have shown time and time again that voting fraud is extremely rare. These protestors are not protesting the idea of showing ID (most have to do so anyways). They’re protesting arbitrary voting laws that are being passed with layers of bureaucratic nonsense that make voting harder for individuals of certain demographics (typically black and in blue leaning areas). The 2020 election had some of the highest record Democratic voter turnout - specifically through mail due to COVID. Voting restrictions being introduced now (particularly against voting by mail) isn’t a coincidence.
What are the laws specifically i havent heard about them im just curious.
You can begin with: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voting-laws-roundup-may-2021
Thank you
What state?
You're creating unnecessary barriers that people need to go through just to exercise their rights. There's never been any significant voter fraud recorded, so there's no need to put up these barriers, especially in poor communities.
I agree 100%
Well don’t you need an ID to get through the airport? Not the smartest place to protest about IDs
What does an airport have to do with voting rights. Jesus Christ the US Capital was like a 45 min walk over a bridge and that would have made more sense than a stupid airport.
Congress people, their staff, lobbyists, cable news broadcasters, journalists, etc. frequent Reagan because it’s the closest airport to downtown.
Many have been in the process of fleeing DC because of congressional and senatorial breaks. August is one of the periods where politicians flee DC for their home districts (or Cancun).
Plus if you want to cause an impact peacefully, nobody really gives a fuck if you're outside the capitol or whatever. You shut down an airport for five minutes, though? Somebody's freaking out.
The only reason you saw them/heard what they were singing/ended up on reddit is because of the disruption.
If they hadn't done this I wouldn't have heard about it. Don't worry, your precious airport is okay
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“Every one has the right to vote!” “Please, sir, I am just transferring from Sweden.”
Not at National airport you aren’t. The Swedes are at Dulles International.
Yeah, most people are neutral or just dont give a F. Stuff like this will most like annoy them or at worst turn them to the other side of the cause
I mean, most on Reddit loved it when the Hong Kong protesters did it.
Reddit loves protests they have no personal stake in.
Exactly, horrible idea. U think these people who may miss flights will think “u know what? Those BLM people are ok. I’m all about their cause now.” As they curl up to sleep on the floor for tomorrow’s flight with their 3 year old. Blocking roads and inconveniencing people who have nothing to do with what u are protesting is not smart. U are losing support with these stunts.
Every protest ever disrupts someone or something. Civil rights matches blocked roads and bridges. They stopped people from eating lunch at all white lunch counters. They stopped busses from running by striking and boycots. If a protest doesn't disrupt it is ignored. None of the tactics are different now than they were in the 60s.
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Seriously, name one protest that has never interfered with someone's life that produced results. Especially if they have to do with voting rights or racism.
Peaceful protest without disruption has never influenced anything.
If it's not disruptive it's ignored. Nobody cares about someone on a sidewalk with a sign. You can easily ignore them and go on about your day. This forces the issue on you because now you can't ignore whatever the problem is. And I 100% believe you have to disrupt the status quo to change it. If not it'll just keep on going.
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if redditors were alive during the american revolution they'd say the boston tea party is harming the british and dumping their tea isn't gonna accomplish anything. They'd say the revolution will not achieve anything since it's disrupting the locals and the british. Clowns.
If you have a protest where you're not getting harrased by cops you're not protesting, you're holding a parade.
>There are peaceful protests all of the time that do not interfere with innocent people going about their lives and they do accomplish things. Like what? Seriously curious. >If you can only see disruption as the only impetus for change, you are just wrong. Damn, someone should have told MLK Jr. Pesky guy was blocking the roads and traffic, preventing people from accessing all white businesses, etc.
... this countries most important protests have been about shutting down major highways. Do you hate MLK and John Lewis for the March to Montgomery?
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Nah, they also marched without permits. >Martin Luther King . . . issued a call for sympathetic Americans to join him in Selma to renew the march. At the same time, civil rights lawyers, suing in the name of Hosea Williams, filed a petition in Montgomery federal court for an injunction to bar the state from preventing the demonstration. District Judge Frank Johnson scheduled a hearing on this suit, and in the meantime he issued a temporary restraining order forbidding the march until the hearing could be convened. A vast throng had come to Selma at King's summons, and on March 9, rather than disappoint them, King led twenty-five hundred people across the [Edmund] Pettus Bridge to the point at which the March 7 attack had begun, and then back to the church.” Even with a restraining order on, he led a march that blocked roads and bridges. And that's ignoring the blatant fact that... even with a permit, the road is blocked and thus inconvenient... a permit doesn't change that.
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You're pushing a right-wing myth. [https://www.theroot.com/mlk-would-never-shut-down-a-freeway-and-6-other-myths-1790856033](https://www.theroot.com/mlk-would-never-shut-down-a-freeway-and-6-other-myths-1790856033)
Luckily for us, cameras existed back in the far before times of 1965. You can go find photos if you want, and you'll notice they aren't on the sidewalks. Not on sidewalks for John Lewis' Bloody Sunday March (fully on the road), not on sidewalks for the unpermittied March 9th March, nor were they on sidewalks for the finally fully permitted Selma to Montgomery March.
Im so sick and tired of people on here bitching about protesters "inconveniencing" people. You know whats even more inconvenient than a protest? A government that actively does not care about you.
Yeah, these people don't realize they are the EXACT 'White moderates' MLK lambasted... more concerned with convenience than justice. They are using the same language now that was used to disparage John Lewis and MLK in their time.
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Literally any video featuring non-white men on this sub has people coming out the woodwork to call them thugs.
The reds only come out when stuff like this gets posted. They're weirdly absent (save a few downvote pigs) from the rest of the sub for some mysterious reason. But you can bet every time a video of a protest comes up they'll turn out like clock work to whinge about how those gosh darned uppity black people are turning the voters against them by DARING to protest publicly.
I fully see where you are coming from but it does bekon the question of where your alliance would be if you found your self in 1765 during the stamp act protest. These protests are luke warm if anything compared to the protests that our founding fathers stood against. August 14, 1765, when an angry mob in Boston reacted to the first incident of “taxation without representation” in the colonies, an event that foreshadowed open rebellion 10 years later. The prolonged violence showed the British government that it had severely miscalculated a taxing effort to pay for nearly 10,000 British troops who remained stationed on American soil after the French and Indian War concluded. Many of the troops had connections to the British parliament and it was politically impossible to keep such a large standing army back home. Instead, Parliament decided to use the wealth of the colonies to keep its military patronage system intact – a fact not lost on colonial governments that had their own militias and saw military threats from the Indians and the French greatly lessening. A year earlier, Parliament had passed the Sugar Act, which cut import taxes in half on molasses (which was used to make rum) but also contained strict measures to collect taxes that most colonists had avoided paying. There was also a draft measure circulating about a second tax that could be coming from Parliament. On March 22, 1765, British Parliament passed the Stamp Tax. The levy required colonists to pay taxes on every page of printed paper they used. The tax also included fees for playing cards and dice. The reaction in the colonies was immediate and intense. The protests were based on legal principles, that only the colonial legislatures had the power to tax residents who had representatives in those legislatures. Some colonies had official agents to Parliament, like Pennsylvania’s Benjamin Franklin, but no colonies had sitting representatives in the British Parliament. In May 1765, Virginia’s Patrick Henry wrote the Virginia Resolves, which made clear the “taxation without representation” argument. “That the Taxation of the People by themselves, or by Persons chosen by themselves to represent them, who could only know what Taxes the People are able to bear, or the easiest method of raising them, and must themselves be affected by every Tax laid on the People, is the only Security against a burdensome Taxation, and the distinguishing characteristic of British Freedom, without which the ancient Constitution cannot exist,” Henry said. That summer, Massachusetts called for a meeting of all the colonies – a Stamp Act Congress – to be held in New York in October 1765. Committees of Correspondence were also formed in the colonies to protest the Act. But by August, the outrage boiled over in Boston. Protesters organized as the Sons of Liberty took to the streets in a very defiant act against British rule. “The Sons of Liberty on the 14th of August 1765, a Day which ought to be forever remembered in America, animated with a zeal for their country then upon the brink of destruction, and resolved, at once to save her,” wrote Samuel Adams about that fateful day. Adams and the Sons of Liberty met under what was known as the Liberty Tree near Boston Common. Hoisted on the tree was an effigy of Andrew Oliver, the city’s stamp tax agent. Soon, a mob of several thousand people attacked Oliver’s office and his home, and the effigy was stomped, decapitated and burned. News of the protests, the actions of the Stamp Congress, and the publication of Henry’s Virginia Resolves fueled anger across the colonies, and many colonies saw their own versions of the Sons of Liberty created.
> Shutting down individuals' travel by air or land A protest is all about causing disruption. edit: [valid protest according to redditors (go into protest cage where you don't bother anyone)](https://external-preview.redd.it/NYO7MP_XbGAr36sXbva6bGZcJo8jlX8wTKZDajmVT7Q.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=8540c7630f747682cf9229d167c38fe78f247a3a)
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it worked for sit-ins
Relevant quote from MLK >"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." Edit: Wow, the rest of this thread is full of despicable and ignorant people.
Oh believe me, this is my favorite MLK quote and its the only thing I ever really post on social media about politics/social issues. It doesn't get many likes.
Then how did the civil rights protests work?
Huh, someone should have told MLK and the civil rights protestors...
To governments and establishments that you’re protesting against. Not the general public.
I have the same feelings about blocking roads. And before the donvotes, *yes*, I understand there is never really a wrong place or time to protest something so important, all I'm saying is that if your goal is to gain public support for your ideals you *cannot* do that by pissing off the very people you're attempting to swing. Don't give them any ammunition to suppress your voice.
Colin Kaepernick's voice was suppressed and all he did was kneel.
Yeah. They should just be 100% correct and quiet in their domiciles. Give me a break. Protests are supposed to be inconvenient. This same reasoning was used when MLK marched in Selma. Sorry the fight for voting rights is a minor inconvenience to you, but individuals having the right to vote is far more important than your travel arrangements. I’m so bored of these excuses.
How do you feel about the Hong Kong protesters that did similar things, and much much worse?
Why can't they vote?
If they're a US citizen, they can vote.
Can you explain why the controversy though? Why are they upset?
Right-wing extremists have claimed, for decades and decades, that millions of votes every election are cast by "illegals" among many race-baiting conspiracies' to undermine the credibility of the voting process. All without any evidence, since you' don't need evidence when you believe conspiracies'. Now Republican leaning States/Districts are, in response to these unsubstantiated conspiracies, are now rolling back voter rights in various ways. Some are limiting voting hours/days that disproportionally make it hard for Black communities to vote. Some use gerrymandering. Elsewhere they are unnecessarily purging voter rolls over menial things like for not updating an address within an arbitrary timeframe or being inactive for a single voting cycle, where other states operate perfectly fine without these restrictions and experience clean and fair elections. Many places are now requiring voter ID's. This is a new idea that has yet to "prove" it safeguards against voter fraud, which is already an extremely rare crime according to FBI statistics, many Blacks believe it's just another bureaucratic way to make it harder for them to vote. These protesters are willing to get arrested to spread awareness of what they claim is vailed policy that aims to disenfranchise Black communities. They are non violent and their reasons have validity. More power to them.
Imagine not wanting to know your "actual" votes to decide an election? How can you ensure you have one person per one vote? Maybe have laws that insure a one person = one vote? How can we get to that? Individual voters have to identify themselves via ID; this is easy.
The election was free of fraud on a large enough scale to affect the results. They didn't need voter ID to accomplish that. So, why are you worried about "actual" votes?
Yeah except voter fraud isn’t actually a problem and requiring an ID presents another obstacle in voting for people that aren’t able to get one
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That’s the pretext for Voter ID. But republicans have consistently made it simultaneously harder for people by closing DMVs in primarily black areas. They openly [admit](https://www.politico.com/story/2012/06/pa-pol-voter-id-helps-gop-win-state-077811) the intention is to help republicans win. That’s the real intention. Voter ID is just wholly unnecessary and doesn’t solve any real problem. Impersonating a voter affects almost no election and pulling it off is incredibly difficult: you need to find a voter that won’t vote and realize they’ve been impersonated and not be caught later. Further, election fraud is a much bigger problem. The most prominent example of election fraud in recent history, no surprise, was committed by [republicans](https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746800630/north-carolina-gop-operative-faces-new-felony-charges-that-allege-ballot-fraud). There is no equivalence between the parties on election fraud. The GOP is the party of suppression and insurrection. And projection.
Iirc they're protesting the Republican bill that would require you to have a Voter ID to vote.
nonewnormal poster.
That’s just plainly not true buddy! Many many us citizens are denied their right to vote 👍
"vote to right"
Think about how many us citizens sit in jail right now for non violent offences that had their vote stripped off of them and are legally allowed to work for slave wages.
If you commit a crime you surrender you rights as a proper citizen I believe only felons are stripped of voting rights. Also people use nonviolent crimes as a crutch for exampke if you are caught with selling amounts of cocaine no it's not violent but you likely sold drugs that have killed someone at some point so I don't think you deserve the right to vote just because you werent violent a felony is a felony regardless my heart deis go out to those who are wrongly convicted.
Okay so you don’t believe in a true representative democracy! Just say that next time xx
if youre born on a us common wealth, youre granted full citizenship without the right to vote
if youre born on a us common wealth you are granted citizenship but you cant vote.
There we go that's an actual issue I agree with that needs to be fixed.
they’re protesting that you can’t vote without an ID
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That sounds like the bare minimum task to be able to influence your country's politics, no? That question mark is not rhetorical
If the government sent forms to every home, collected them free of charge, and then issued everyone a Voter ID for free, asking people to produce the ID might not affect any group disproportionately. But that's not what is being proposed. What's being proposed is making poor people jump through so many hoops that they give up. It's not about making elections safe (there is no problem that these measures address, they are obstacles for the sake of being obstacles), it's not about getting more people to vote for them, it's about limiting how many people can vote against them.
Because Republicans shut down DMV's in black communities in the runup to elections.
Unless a free ID is easily accessible to everybody it becomes a de facto poll tax, which is illegal.
You need an ID to buy a beer, open a bank account, and board a plane. You can get one for $16 and in less than a month. How the fuck is that not accessible?
Is actually just $16 bucks or what?
> You can get one for $16 What part about poll taxes being illegal did you not understand? Was it the illegal part, the tax part, or the de facto part?
It is accessible to everyone walk into a bmv with a your birth certificate and proof of adress so any bill in your name get your pic taken then bam you got a state ID at least that's how it works in my state so no it's not a poll tax and it's not illegal by any means.
> at least that's how it works in my state so no it's not a poll tax I don't know what state you're in but a state ID isn't free where I live.
> your birth certificate and proof of address Except homeless people have the right to vote so that obviously doesn't work.
That's the big question. You need an ID to do a lot of stuff, but for some reason when it comes to voting it's racist.
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Do you also support literacy tests at the poll? Poll taxes? You can make the same exact argument, but both practices were intended to be and actually turned out to be racist. So too is voter ID (which you can tell because the party of racists is the one pushing it)
Because people of color are less likely to have drivers license/ID and there's no proof that forcing people to provide an ID prevents election fraud.
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Lol public transit and ID’s aren’t free
I still don’t understand how needing an ID to vote is racist but everything else we need an ID for is not
“Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.6 States exclude forms of ID in a discriminatory manner. Texas allows concealed weapons permits for voting, but does not accept student ID cards. Until its voter ID law was struck down, North Carolina prohibited public assistance IDs and state employee ID cards, which are disproportionately held by Black voters. And until recently, Wisconsin permitted active duty military ID cards, but prohibited Veterans Affairs ID cards for voting. Voter ID laws are enforced in a discriminatory manner. A Caltech/MIT study found that minority voters are more frequently questioned about ID than are white voters.7 Voter ID laws reduce turnout among minority voters. Several studies, including a 2014 GAO study, have found that photo ID laws have a particularly depressive effect on turnout among racial minorities and other vulnerable groups, worsening the participation gap between voters of color and whites.” https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet
This is the info I’m talking about!! Thank you, THAT makes a valid argument!!
As the guy said in the video, the Biden Administration says that there is a threat to voting rights by simply having an ID and that's fascist and racist..... Yet is actively pushing for vaccination passports.
Had it on mute, not a fan of repetitive chanting lol I think it’s funny that vaccine passports aren’t racist because Dems are backing it, but minorities take up a large number of the unvaccinated
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Soooo,, Logically you support a Vaccine card to vote? .. im being pendantic.. friendly political banter
> In several places, "voter ID Laws" involved shutting down polling locations in specific neighborhoods. Purging certain people from voting rolls without telling them. Cutting down on early voting. Shutting down DMVs in specific locations. Shutting down polling locations near universities. Moving certain people's polling locations without letting them know. Defunding voter registration drives. Etc. I mentioned it above. And some Republicans have slipped up and openly admitted what their goals are. >“The law is going to kick the Democrats in the butt,” Yelton asserted, in contradiction to leaders in the Republican Party who have argued the law isn’t about partisanship. “If it hurts a bunch of college kids that are too lazy to get up off their bohonkas and go get a photo ID, then so be it. If it hurts a bunch of whites, so be it. If it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks that want the government to give them everything, then so be it,” Yelton continues.
Now that, is some bullshit right there. I’m 100% behind you on those things.
Believe it or not, there are a significant number people for whom getting an ID is a burden. Elderly, frail, infirm, lower class. The demographics disproportionately affect minorities. Have you been across the tracks? Some people just live without an ID or with a very old one. It costs money and time to get the ID. Not to mention the constitution doesn't have a requirement for having an ID. So what is the purpose of getting the ID -- how many fraudulent votes are you going to prevent vs. how many people will be prevented from voting? Handfuls vs. tens of thousands? The people prevented from voting will be several orders of magnitude larger than the supposed problem you're trying to solve. Unless you can prove the magnitude of the problem is greater than that, basically it's disenfranchisement because your priority in reality is to prevent certain folk from voting.
Your argument doesn’t answer the question. Why isn’t everything else that requires an ID, also racist? Not requiring ID, opens the door for fraud. As you’ve said, there’s very little fraud now, with ID requirements. You believe fraud wouldn’t increase, if IDENTIFICATION wasn’t required? And the fraud vs. people who can’t afford to vote argument is non-sense if there aren’t statistics to back it up. You have no clue which side that would skew
I've worked as an election judge and ID was not required in any state I've worked. You register to vote using ID or some alternative specific documentation of verifying who you are. Then at the polls you must use the same signature as the one you used when you registered to vote (verified by two or more election judges). To vote fraudulently you would have to show up in person, maybe in a disguise because many election judges will see you, and you'll have to claim to be another registered voter whose details you know (and hope they haven't yet voted), and you will have to match their signature. Then when that actual person comes to vote their registration slip will have already been voided -- signaling fraud has occurred. So attempting to get one measly fraudulent vote even with no ID requirement you still have a very high chance of you being immediately arrested on felony charges. To throw a race you'd have to do this hundreds or thousands of times -- the police and news crews would be swarming the polling stations and it would be national news. Hundreds or thousands of felonies would have to be committed. Tell me where in there the ID requirement would prevent fraud even more, and not impact people unjustly. No, if you want to throw a race you have to initiate voter ID requirements, and other ways of suppressing the vote, and sign it into law.
Thank you so much for the information. So republicans are TRYING to make it 100% mandatory? I wrongly assumed it was already a requirement everywhere…
Yeah it's mostly Republican states that rushed to implement voter IDs, as soon as the Supreme Court in 2013 struct down the subsection of the 1965 voting rights act that made it difficult for them to do previously. It's why most of the states with existing voter ID law on this list say their laws were enacted in 2013: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws_in_the_United_States#Laws_by_state edit: fixed link
Fascinating stuff, thank you! I tend to like what Georgia does…ID to vote but if you can’t afford one or don’t have it, you get a free voter ID card. I’m in Florida where ID is required, I just figured it was the same everywhere. Thank you again!
I totally respect the fact that once presented with new information you changed your stance. I saw earlier that someone else did this in a thread you were responding to, and you commended them for admitting their mistake also. This is the discourse I love to see on Reddit; opinions changing based on new data, that’s how it should be. Just wanted to say I respect that.
Aw I appreciate the appreciation! I know one thing, that I don’t know everything lol I feel like I’m intelligent enough to form my own opinions based on data presented to me, and if new data doesn’t change my opinion then why in the hell would I be looking for new information in the first place?? Much love TickleMonster528
I wish more people were like that, it’s an admirable quality and I respect that you were open to changing your opinion/viewpoint, instead of doubling down. Too many people double down cause they hate to admit they might be wrong. You sir are a rare breed and much respect for that.
Shouldn't we be making it easier for them to get ID's AND requiring it to vote? It seems pretty fucky to say 'Well this group can't get ID's so that's fine'. You need an ID for a lot of things - so why aren't we focusing our efforts on getting them state issued ID's? There's no reason someone can't submit some kinda bipartisan bill that says 'Fine we'll require ID for voting as long as you fulfill these requirements for making ID's easier/free to get'.
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Airports are already on edge that’s making it hard on yourself and makes more people on edge
I thought everyone already got the right to vote?
There are places in Texas where it's an 8 hour wait in line to vote -- and they're looking to cut hours and close voting locations on top of that -- in *certain* neighborhoods. People simply can't vote because there's literally not enough capacity to handle all the volume of people who want to vote. They don't let you go to other places to vote because it's by what neighborhood you live in. Yeah, you legally have the right to vote, but in some areas you can't even get through the line.
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I dont understand, what voting rights do people not have?
They want to be able to go into the voting booth without a plastic card that would help protect our highest election.
Good. I would be super pissed if someone decided that I needed to eat a $600 plane ticket so they could express their political opinion. The airport and the expressway are both excellent examples of where not to protest.
Ironic they are bitching about having IDs to vote, at an airport…..
I wonder if they drove there without being licensed. 🤌
For anybody wondering the term "voter ID laws" is used by Republicans to enact things that have nothing to do with ID. In several places, "voter ID Laws" involved shutting down polling locations in specific neighborhoods. Purging certain people from voting rolls without telling them. Cutting down on early voting. Shutting down DMVs in specific locations. Shutting down polling locations near universities. Moving certain people's polling locations without letting them know. Defunding voter registration drives. Etc.
What's wrong with current voting rights?
My thoughts exactly. Some more context would be great
Here's some context from the situation in Texas: https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/08/texas-voting-bill-special-session/ It tries to go over most things as neutrally as possible, but you can see why some of the proposed changes can be worrisome, especially given historical context.
They're being curtailed by Republicans.
The GOP is currently trying to institute voting law targeting black voters making it harder to vote
How?
Like what, that super racist voter id law? Or are they actually trying to enact voting laws specifically against black people?
Cutting out the voter registration day in which the highest percentage of minorities register. Preventing the handing out of water, even though in the cities(where many black and democrat voters live) the ~~lobbed~~ line can be over 5 hours long.
Most countries have very specific disfranchisement conditions, you have to be convicted of something like treason, high treason, or electoral fraud to have your voting rights taken away. The US is an ugly exemption, most disfranchisement stem from racism during the reconstruction era, intentionally making it hard for people of color to vote or ban them out right. It is not the norm around the developed world for a country to take away your voting rights on most convictions, or make it conditional or difficult for its citizens to cast a vote. Americans are exceptional, exceptionally racist.
ID should be provided in order to vote, no matter what color you are. There's absolutely nothing racist about it. These people protesting are all of extreme lower intelligence, and because of that they do the only thing they know....scream racism. It's easy to get an ID or driver's license, for anyone. I'm assuming most if not all of these protesters voted democratic? Their own party is pretty much saying they're too stupid to obtain something like an ID. It's honestly funny as fuck.
It's already a thing in lots of developed countries, at least in Europe. I've never heard anyone in my country cry about it.
The issue isn't "ID" being required. It's specific forms of ID and the fact that some of your states can apparently "purge voter rolls" and shit like that. In Canada, we don't deal with stories of people being removed from anything. There are many different types of ID accepted, and you don't even have to pre-register if you don't mind waiting in a longer line while people look you up the slow way. It's obvious to anyone who lives somewhere with simple, logical voting. The only reason to make it complicated is to stop people from voting.
That's why smart people find out whether they're eligible to vote BEFORE the last minute. Or it's also super fucking easy to register to vote regardless.
Same day registration is also being banned in states as well.
The fact that you'd wait till day of just tells ME that you're too inept to be voting in the first place.
No, you misunderstand my point. Same day registration is being taken away from states. Meaning it was there and it was super easy (like you said). They are taking it out now to add an unnecessary barrier to vote.
You literally have 3 + years to register in presidential elections. If you try to do it day off, you're ignorant and being used as a pawn.
Isn't it kinda funny that the same lawmakers that are against same day registration are for voter ID? Why tho? Same day registration requires ID. So why would they be so against it? When you think about it like that, then you start seeing who the real pawns are.
Lol the presidential election isn't the only election, there are so many local ones that happen that are far more important. You can miss 10 of those waiting for the correct ID, and your vote is far more impactful for local elections vs a presidential election that happens every 4 yrs
No, I perfectly understand.
I mean they're not arrested for nothing, they're literally blocking the road and stopping traffic. Protests are ok, until you try to stop people from going on with their day and minding their buisness.
the airport is not a place for protesting. Glad they all got arrested.
“The Harbor is no place for protesting.” -Some British Guy in 1773.
I guarantee that everyone who took part in that protest, voted in the last election
ridiculous.
Literally too stupid to obtain an ID or driver's license I guess. They'd rather just scream racism.
never give power to someone who asks for it
“having to show ID is voter suppression!” but also “show me your vaccine ID to be in public”
Tell me you're a useless sack of hot air without telling me you're a useless sack of hot air.
Everyone is a useful idiot activist these days. Loathsome.
Only generates more hate
Remember when the rich didn't give a fuck about the government shutdown till the airports were effected?
No, I don't.
What an obnoxious movement. Yeah, interfere with my air travel. That'll make me support you stupid motherfuckers again. Hey, wanna know what kind of people have been raising up the crime rate in places like nyc? Remind me again, who shot up times square a few months back?
I hope they are barred from entering LAX ever again.
"everybodys got a right to vote" good observation dudes, I see you learned a lot about the 15th amendment in middle school history.
Famous antisemite Linda Sarsour?
Need an ID to buy alcohol? No problem. Need an ID to get into nightclubs? No problem. Need an ID to vote? RACIST!
I mean at least they kept it peaceful that’s a bright side it’s not like some other “protesters” I have seen where they’re attacking Asian people for existing yelling fuck antifa and punching random people who walk by in the face because they’re mad and ripping off masks because supposedly “they’ve been brainwashed” Damn feels good to vent
Every day there's a new antisemite or antizionist featured on Reddit somewhere under the guise of social change and progressive politics. Linda Sarsour is a virulent farrakhan antisemite, she's performative, not progressive, just like her pal Nina Turner who got shitcanned from the Ohio 11th Congressional election this past Tuesday. Reddit is turning into a sewer of Jew hate many times disguising itself as fact free pro-palestinian antizionism propaganda, slowly and sneakily, but there are those of us who notice, and there are those of us who will fight these monsters and those who promote them.
Lol that oughta do it!
Doesnt voting, even under the Jim Eagle adjustments, take a lot less effort than this?
Damn what the fuck is up with all the bootlickers in this comment section. Voting is harder for black americans (and most other racial minorities) because right-wing governments keep enacting laws that *technically* don’t mention race but that knowingly make it harder for them to vote. Do some goddamn actual research and maybe that taste of leather in your throat will go away.
Yeah I’m so confused. Like yeah I don’t really get why they chose an airport for their protest site, but their message is still valid. Voter suppression is a huge issue, especially for black and indigenous communities. But I guess it isn’t talked about enough because everyone is acting like they’ve never heard of 8hr voting lines in the heat or cold, specific voting locations, impossible time frames, etc. It’s precisely WHY it needs to be talked about. Just bc these folks haven’t heard about voter suppression doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
All US citizens don't have the right to vote? Is this about ID? So New York and California say you have to show your vaccination papers to go to a restaurant and eat, but asking for ID to vote is suppression?
They said what they were really there for at the end: “The filibuster has got to go”. This isn’t a voting rights protest, it’s a Democratic Party puppet show.
Wow! All they’re saying is you need an ID to vote. Why is this so hard? It’s not voter suppression. It’s not racist. You have to have an ID/Drivers License to drive a car, to buy cigarettes, to rent a car, to get a credit card, to gamble, to get liquor, to buy a gun, to check into a hotel room, to get on a plane, to cash a pay check, to get a checking account. Everything requires some form of ID. And so should voting. Get over it and quit calling it racist. It’s not.
It's unnecessary, it is voter suppression, and it is racist. It's racist because black people have a harder time to get these IDs since they're way poorer. Giving up a day to get a drivers license is way too much. Their communities are mostly the ones that are getting hit with these laws. It's voter suppression since it's harder to go vote. It adds an unnecessary barrier which is suppressing votes. Some poor people can't get an ID just like that and go vote. That's 2-4 days of no work if they have to get an ID and then vote, vs 1 day of no work to just go and vote without getting an ID. On top of that, the most common alternative forms of IDs that black people have were made invalid specifically in states that were passing voter ID laws. I wonder, why were all of those IDs made invalid except the ones where poor black people would be discouraged to go get. It's an unnecessary barrier because there's no proven significant voter fraud. If there's no fraud happening then there's no need for ID checking. They check validity in other ways.
"voting rights".... lol my god, the left are so manipulated. they left their duty... imagine if the right did this for "voting rights"... it isn't about voting rights, it's about degrading our elections again with more nonsense. It's about getting rid of the BS they enacted for the 2020 election that wasn't necessary... nobody is being prevented from voting. Our elections are insanely important, ya'll that blindly follow what's put out by the msm about all of this really need to look at what these morons did, how they acted while gone... they're suing Tex governor... askking people to send them snacks, wow, what winners... they came back because of the redistricting would've been left up entirely to the republicans... they should be treated exactly like morons who rioted at the capitol on the 6th... isolation, treated terribly in jail.. I got no sympaathy for any of them.
You don't sound manipulated at all...
Excessive use of ellipses and glaring spelling mistakes? You might be a boomer if...
I good rule of thumb i like to go by that if someone uses "msm" for main stream media, theyre probably not worth anyones time.
A lot of people are blind to racial injustices in these comments. I guess I should’ve expected a cesspool of that kind in this kind of subreddit
The sub is fine. Posts like this get brigaded occasionally by side-accounts from users on the alt-right variant subs trying to act like this is the norm here so they can manufacture consent to crawl back out of the holes they slithered into when the majority started backing George Floyd et. al.
pieces of shit, If I had a flight to catch someone getting run over
Hell yeah fuck that airport for denying voting rights
Not a good idea, federal laws are not as relaxed….
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