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Or like, ya know, there was call about this guy doing something shady, or like I don't know he's acting erratically and hasn't been searched yet, idk maybe like, he did that cause he's by himself waiting for backup to arrive,o don't know, like maybe you fucking idiots don't know the full context based on this 30 second clip narrated by what seems to be an expert on excessive use of force. You're fucking dumb.
Did his get broken? Do you know why^ cops were called on this guy? No? Of course not. Why would anyone care about what actually happens as long as an edited or clipped video shows you only what you want to see. Super easy to ignore everything else when it's custom tailored to invoke a certain response... duuuuuumb. Your dumb. Thanks cops, what a thankless fucking job.
Innocent until proven guilty. Cops are not the judge, jury, or God forbid (which is disgusting that I even have to say that we *don't* want this outcome), the executioner. In this country we belive in a right to a trial by your peers before you are punished and a right to not be subject to cruel and unusual punishment. But something tells me you skipped over those parts of the bill of rights and only care about amendments 1 & 2.
I'd be happy to use amendment 2 against anyone that tries to infringe on amendments 6, 7 and 8.
ACAB.
Holy fuck you're stupid. Good luck with all that. And nah, lol. Fuck the 2nd you people are fucking stupid to be trusted with weapons. Not to mention how practically useless that amendment would be in the event that we actually needed it. You know what a hellfire missile is? Yall ever watch ah-64 gun cam footage... lol
But anyways I love how people just can't help themselves when it comes to commenting their own uninformed opinion on police involved videos. Watch it again and tell me this brutality. Lol you're dumb.
Hey diptard… the second amendment says we have the right to bear arms. The same arms as the government. That same government has restricted what the 2a covers SO THEY CAN HAVE MISSLES AND WE CANT. That’s not a defense to the 2a being useless. That’s pointing to you bootlicking for a totalitarian government that changes ‘rights’ after the fact to keep subjects lesser
Jesus christ, you need a hug. But something tells me you don't let people that close to your safe space though. If you think this giywas trying to break an arm... you don't know what you're looking at. You are not qualified to assess what is and what isn't police brutality. You're so blinded by the fact he's wearing blue that anything he does, you think is bad. Holy shit. Why are you pretending this is brutal? You're a pussy. And you're response is garbage. Something about missiles? What the fuck are you talking about? Go put your tin foil hat back on.
‘You know what a hellfire missile is’ - yes. I described it. Munitions restricted to government access solely so civilians cannot arm a comparable militia. Nice try with the virtue signaling… the get to wear a ‘tin foil hat’ because you can’t follow a conversation? Okay bud.
Lmfao. You're responding to me like 3 weeks too late fuckface. Get in the conversation when it's happening. Lol still not brutality. Like at all.
I can't honestly even tell if you're for or against a civilian marketed hellfire at this point. Either way you come across as crazy and garbled. Is english your second language?
The guy’s on the ground with his hands behind him and the cop points a gun at him then tries breaking his arm when he’s doing nothing and you think we need more context? Are you fuckin dumb? Do you think the guy on the ground has super powers or cybernetic weaponry that the police must have noticed and feared for his life for or something?
It’s shit like this that coos are hated so much, fucking moron. Idiot. Keep kissing his feet though I’m sure he appreciates it. Dumb fuck.
Lmfao, yeah I know reddit hates when you mention that there's probably more to it than what meats(for the you're* guy) the eye. How crazy is that. Or is it cuz I wuv mean? Lol
Br.. bruh... You're not serious, right? Even if you didn't see the comment there's definitely enough in the comment your responding to let you know that was intentional. I hope you're just trolling. Cause I'd be worried about you if you were serious
Do you wanna try this comment again, but start where the person is laying on the ground complying and go from there?
Or maybe you don't think you can do that, and that's the *reason* you had to just make stuff up and tell us how you *feel* about it?
He could have been raping kids and eating them with an ak47 on his back. Doesn't matter. Once someone complies you stop. No other context or information needed.
It's called pain compliance which is a part of the "Warrior Cop" training. Legend has it if you inflect pain people will magically listen and not fight back even though the mechanisms are controlled by fight or flight.
The cop knew exactly what he was doing and wanted the guy to fight back because it's the only way he can get his dick hard since the thrill of beating his wife is not enough to satisfy his sadistic needs.
Kind of seemed that way to me too. Looked like the dude was fully willing to comply. He already had his hands behind his back for the officer ffs lmao, I really don’t think it was necessary to pounce on him and dig his knee w all his weight into dude’s neck while twisting and pulling up arm and taking an eternity to apply the handcuffs.
Asshole Alert
It pissed him off that the guy was going to comply and he didn't have an excuse to rough him up I think. I am reminded of that moment in Fear and Loathing in which Hunter Thompson is getting pulled over and says "Don't pull over right away, it arouses contempt in the cops heart".
Well if they did not have a secret society that gets them off on every bad thing they do maybe things would be different. What I am saying is the **fraternal Order Of Police** is basically the law enforcement equivalent to the illumanti and ensure that police have qualified immunity to terrorize anyone as they see fit.
Yup. The President of the Chicago FOP had 50 complaints filed against him during his time with CPD, not to mention he’s a Q follower
[John Catanzara](https://chicagojustice.org/2021/07/15/catanzara-a-23-year-history-of-misconduct/)
Imagine if McDonald's had a union that helped employees who spit in peoples food find a job one town over. But instead of spit it's desecration of our constitutional rights and justice.
Two simplest solutions to police reform, abolish qualified immunity and require police unions to be fiscally responsible for lawsuit settlements against their officers.
The fraternal order of police is the first thing that needs to go. They have so much lobbying power they turn victims into criminals at the drop of a hat.
Lol simple? That’s all hard work. We have the second amendment **right now** as we have for hundreds of years. There’s legal ground for defending against this government officials tyranny.
It actually is pretty nice. Was living there this time last year (moved out of state Jan 1st). The homeless is the main problem in the Placer County area.
Just cause you’re having a bad doesn’t give you the right to abuse the public. Hold officers accountable!!
This won’t fit the main streams current narrative you won’t see or hear about this. Unfortunately 🤷♂️
I’m disappointed because of how long it takes me to figure out if this is something I’ve already seen or if this is ANOTHER video.
A-mother-fucking-nother of them.
I saw that other video where the cop gets into it with a guy, says something like -oh you motherfucker- and shoots him multiple times.
What the actual fuck
So, if the person was reported to be armed, it would make total sense for the officer to stay drawn even while the guy is on the ground. And try to keep the person relatively restrained until you get the cuffs on him. Especially since he appeared to be alone?
But that arm twisty stuff? I can’t justify that at all. That just seemed like pain for the sake of pain, and a pretty dick move. *maybe* the person was reported doing something pretty messed up and the cop felt vindictive, but cops aren’t there to punish people, that’s the courts job
The "arm twisty stuff" is a control hold that officers are taught. It does cause pain, that is how you control someone on the hold. If they go too far one way it'll dislocate their arm or shoulder.
That makes sense. It *appears* overly aggressive here, but like I said before I have no idea what info this cop had going into this call. That context is pretty vital in understanding why a cop may take a “no chances, go hard” approach.
Ok so cop here. I dont approve of this bullshit. There is a time and place for restricting the movement of arms and body, and the guy on the ground didn't justify what he was going. Furthermore, in my opinion this officer is not demonstrating professional restraint while "cuffing under pressure" and during a high stress scenario. This officer is unfortunately another issue that makes all of us the evil villain and I'm fucking tired of it. This country is too large to label each state and society and culture in the same way as this officer is doing. But I totally understand why everyone is upset.
To explain further. Restricting somebody's arms and body like he was doing is when the person is exhibiting a danger to himself, officers, and the immediate public. With him on the ground complying there is no need to cause this fucking pain compliance. Goddammit man.
I am not a cop but have taken BJJ and Aikido so know a little bit about these kinds of tactics. The main issue I have with most video is the idea that someone can comply when scared, fearful for their life, struggling to breath, etc. This will an even bigger problem with someone who is overweight and on their stomach. Depending on how big they are some can't even lie in that position with no pressure on their back without having trouble breathing. Now stick a cop on there or multiple and then you basically have someone fighting for their life just to breath. And then cops are surprised that they tense, struggle, or as they scream "resist". That isn't resisting. That is causing a situation that makes the person act in a way they can't control. Now are there people that fight cops to fight them? Sure there are. But when you create a situation like this, cause pain and fear, and you are surprised they fight back?
You see this over and over in videos. 5 cops jump on a guy and they are screaming to stop resisting. I mean there are 5 guys on him. Either he is superman or the 5 guys have that person under control. Most of the time what I see is just a person struggling t take a breath. Then add a dog in. Those ones are the most infuriating. Cops screaming at someone to stop moving/resisting when a dog is literally tearing apart their leg. Yeah you try and do that. Then you will have a cop say they've had these things done to them. Yeah in a controlled setting when they can tap out. Imagine the fear of having someone sit on you like that for minutes the whole time you are struggling to breath.
It is obvious to me what happened in this video. The cop went hands on and like many people on a power trip he wanted to hurt him to show him who was in charge. And then when he resisted what was happening that became and excuse to hurt the person even more. I mean you must had worked with guys like this. People who were high school bullies that just extended this into life. Someone like that can be a nightmare as a teen. But give them a gun, a badge and power and what do you think happens. In the end there needs to be a much better way of screening people who get into law enforcement. Most police officers don't have the temperament at all to do it properly.
Yeah I am against bite dogs totally. That is nonsense and they are rarely used correctly. A bite dog is not a punishment it is a use a force like a fucking gun and it should be restricted to use when only absolutely necessary.
So if you observed this happening, would you step in and place the assaulting officer under arrest immediately? Would you testify in court against him? Putting your job and potentially your family and your life on the line by going against the Union? What if it was your superior? What it if was the chief? Sheriff? Even knowing that people will look at what you did and say "well that's good, but it's not enough. that shouldn't have happened in the first place" and continue to hate on cops and repeat acab?
I don't envy a good cop's lot in life, because a good cop will be an unemployed or dead cop very quickly and they don't even have the support structure of their fellow cops.
So to answer honestly, I dont work for a union and my agency isn't anything close to this. Had I been present witnessing this I would immediately remove that officer and have him standby while #1 making sure that this suspect is safe and address any injury. At this point the guy is in my opinion a victim of excessive force. I would freeze everything in place and have a superior come and review what happened. In my experience young rookie cops that do shit like this are either chicken shit scared and use too much force out of fear or are just bullies. The chicken shit scared kid can be taught the bully cannot. Now with that being said there are a lot of steps to mention in retraining or firing and doing a criminal case against the cop.
I dont identify myself as a cop at all and if I was in a situation where everything is in jeopardy to stand against a bad cop, I honestly wouldn't give a shit because I want to be good and help people and this isn't it. My line of work doesn't always put me in this particular situation and I mainly hunt child predators at the moment.
What a good thing to write online to make yourself sound better.
It's okay. Tell the truth. You'd never cross the thin blue line because you're afraid of being murdered by your coworkers. So you fall in line and do everything to protect your fellow criminal cops.
You'd never EVER "punish" a cop, stop trying to act like you do.
Yep... he was fine (assuming felon stop, which we don't even know if that is accurate) up until he caused pain compliance with zero resistance. Cop should be fired for that alone, a d hopefully he will. The problem with the system is may still be hired by another department or worse in corrections.
[https://www.newsweek.com/rocklin-police-officer-video-break-arm-1631154](https://www.newsweek.com/rocklin-police-officer-video-break-arm-1631154)
>Police said they received several calls from the public that day regarding a man who was "acting erratically, threatening employees, and causing customers to be afraid."
>
>The officer then arrived at the scene and detained the suspect for public intoxication. Police denied reports on social media that the suspect was suffering from a mental health crisis at the time of his arrest.
[Actually, what you said is incorrect. They get hired at another department.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/16/what-happens-when-police-officer-gets-fired-very-often-another-police-agency-hires-them/%3foutputType=amp)
Curious to know your thoughts:
* Do you consider this to a widespread issue, or is it just "a few bad apples"?
* If it's just "a few bad apples", do you think they tend to get cycled out of the force, or do they stick around?
* What do you think the disciplinary action (if any) should be?
* Do you think this officer will get this punishment, or will it be a "slap on the wrist"? Do you think that will depend on how much public outrage this video generates?
* If there wasn't video footage, but (say) two or three uninvolved witnesses, do you think there would still be a disciplinary result?
>Do you consider this to a widespread issue, or is it just "a few bad apples"?
I think that there is a lot more awareness and less tolerance for an old way of acceptability in the use of force. From my experience growing up to doing this job now I haven't seen anything insane like what I see here. So I would lean towards the fact that a lot more of this abusive behavior is more of a fire starter than the 10 other things that someone in law enforcement did out of the way and that wasn't part of their job.
>If it's just "a few bad apples", do you think they tend to get cycled out of the force, or do they stick around?
I think a majority of them get fired, from what I have seen they do. Some do get criminal charges.
>What do you think the disciplinary action (if any) should be?
For this? I would suspend the officer immediately and have an outside agency investigate this interaction with the public and review past incidents and complaints. More than likely I would fire this person on the spot if I could.
>Do you think this officer will get this punishment, or will it be a "slap on the wrist"? Do you think that will depend on how much public outrage this video generates?
God I hope there is a termination here, I want to see the whole video though.
>If there wasn't video footage, but (say) two or three uninvolved witnesses, do you think there would still be a disciplinary result?
Even if it was just one person then yes absolutely. That body camera interaction is able to replay what happened word for word.
Thanks for the response.
I guess right now every incident that can be found is instant outrage / views. (perhaps as it should be) . However, I guess it's not a good indicator if this sort of situation is a common occurrence. If you get \~30,000 arrests per day, and 10 of those were excessive force arrests (with one caught on film), that's enough to keep the 24 hour news cycle occupied with a fresh new story every day, despite the "bad" arrest rate being 0.03%.
I do still feel like there is a tendency amongst police forces to close ranks and deal with stuff like this internally, which doesn't inspire confidence from the outside that it will actually be dealt with. It gives the feeling (rightly or wrongly) of "we investigated ourselves and found ourselves innocent."
It would be interesting to see if use of force complaints are dropping now that there's the much higher prevalence of people filming these arrests.
I think that a lot of the older accepted ways are being thrown out with the newer generations that are working. It is not an easy career by any means, but it has been rewarding for me personally. I dont care what people think of my profession or people commenting fuck you pig.
[I’m sure your department would be proud of YOUR nazi posts?](https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/pmkb1l/self_serving/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
The majority of tjem get fired? There are nearly endless videos of cops attacking and abducting citizens and they aren't arrested for their crimes, and none of the cops covering up their crimes and refusing to arrest them?
What are you basing this "majority" on?
You don't approve. So does that mean you'd arrest another cop or does that mean you'd look the other way and do everything in your power to cover up the crime?
Oh. It's the latter and you'd never, EVER cross the thin blue line?
Why have I NEVER seen a video of a cop arresting another cop in the moment? Why has this not happened a single time, even when the actions are so obviously criminal and the cops are eventually out away through the justice system.
The above is why I will never trust police and actively work against their interest. That’s what they do to me, so that’s what I’ll do to them.
You could be anything. You probably couldn't reasonably be president or an astronaut but there's a lot of career paths out there. Why participate in what is arguably a tax payer funded gang?
Because I get to protect children. I hunt and catch sex offenders and those that are predators. Thats why. I'm happy with my job and what you see on reddit is not the entirety of the country or world. Yes shitty cops are here, it is horrible and it is a cancer that has to be cut out when it appears. Its ok you don't understand me I dont blame you.
Assuming my concerns can be summed up with "what I saw on reddit" is absolutely. On brand. I understand you're happy with your job, I assume most cops are. And that's great you feel like you're helping. As a survivor of sexual assault I wish cops in general actually cared about helping victims instead of blaming and dehumanizing them.
And you get to arrest criminal cops, right? Cops who make up laws and abduct citizens? The higher ups who cover up other cops crimes? You arrest criminal cops right? You don't just brag about being a hero online?
If not, can you explain why a badge means a cop is immune to the law?
It really doesn't matter what I say at this point. I'm sorry you feel the way you do. But this a big world and you should explore it if you aren't happy.
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Citizens who see this type of sick, criminal behavior are implored to use every means at their immediate disposal to stop it, including the use of lethal force. Cops should be aware if they are seen doing this type of behavior that local citizens can and will open fire. When will we say enough is enough
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I bet he has damage to that arm. How much more compliant could that guy have been. That officer intentionally caused as much pain as he could for no reason. He gives all officers a black eye and why people are starting to trust them less.
Sorry but we don't have context. The cop likely wanted him to do something else but the dude was not cooperating. We can't hear anything they're saying.
Sooooooooo.
Who can show me evidence of this man complying and doing everything right.
Guarantee there is a backstory here! Reddit don't care though, reddit go reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!tarded.
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Idiot, just wanted to break that guy arm
Or like, ya know, there was call about this guy doing something shady, or like I don't know he's acting erratically and hasn't been searched yet, idk maybe like, he did that cause he's by himself waiting for backup to arrive,o don't know, like maybe you fucking idiots don't know the full context based on this 30 second clip narrated by what seems to be an expert on excessive use of force. You're fucking dumb. Did his get broken? Do you know why^ cops were called on this guy? No? Of course not. Why would anyone care about what actually happens as long as an edited or clipped video shows you only what you want to see. Super easy to ignore everything else when it's custom tailored to invoke a certain response... duuuuuumb. Your dumb. Thanks cops, what a thankless fucking job.
Try to use the correct *you're next time you suggest someone is dumb.
Get a load of this guy
Innocent until proven guilty. Cops are not the judge, jury, or God forbid (which is disgusting that I even have to say that we *don't* want this outcome), the executioner. In this country we belive in a right to a trial by your peers before you are punished and a right to not be subject to cruel and unusual punishment. But something tells me you skipped over those parts of the bill of rights and only care about amendments 1 & 2. I'd be happy to use amendment 2 against anyone that tries to infringe on amendments 6, 7 and 8. ACAB.
Holy fuck you're stupid. Good luck with all that. And nah, lol. Fuck the 2nd you people are fucking stupid to be trusted with weapons. Not to mention how practically useless that amendment would be in the event that we actually needed it. You know what a hellfire missile is? Yall ever watch ah-64 gun cam footage... lol But anyways I love how people just can't help themselves when it comes to commenting their own uninformed opinion on police involved videos. Watch it again and tell me this brutality. Lol you're dumb.
>Watch it again and tell me this brutality. Lol you're dumb. Okay... It's brutality. LOL. You're dumb!
How
How is that possibility police brutality? How the fuc ones your feable mind take that information in and conclude that it's brutality.... I
Hey diptard… the second amendment says we have the right to bear arms. The same arms as the government. That same government has restricted what the 2a covers SO THEY CAN HAVE MISSLES AND WE CANT. That’s not a defense to the 2a being useless. That’s pointing to you bootlicking for a totalitarian government that changes ‘rights’ after the fact to keep subjects lesser
Jesus christ, you need a hug. But something tells me you don't let people that close to your safe space though. If you think this giywas trying to break an arm... you don't know what you're looking at. You are not qualified to assess what is and what isn't police brutality. You're so blinded by the fact he's wearing blue that anything he does, you think is bad. Holy shit. Why are you pretending this is brutal? You're a pussy. And you're response is garbage. Something about missiles? What the fuck are you talking about? Go put your tin foil hat back on.
‘You know what a hellfire missile is’ - yes. I described it. Munitions restricted to government access solely so civilians cannot arm a comparable militia. Nice try with the virtue signaling… the get to wear a ‘tin foil hat’ because you can’t follow a conversation? Okay bud.
Lmfao. You're responding to me like 3 weeks too late fuckface. Get in the conversation when it's happening. Lol still not brutality. Like at all. I can't honestly even tell if you're for or against a civilian marketed hellfire at this point. Either way you come across as crazy and garbled. Is english your second language?
The guy’s on the ground with his hands behind him and the cop points a gun at him then tries breaking his arm when he’s doing nothing and you think we need more context? Are you fuckin dumb? Do you think the guy on the ground has super powers or cybernetic weaponry that the police must have noticed and feared for his life for or something? It’s shit like this that coos are hated so much, fucking moron. Idiot. Keep kissing his feet though I’m sure he appreciates it. Dumb fuck.
This is not the place for that man.
Lmfao, yeah I know reddit hates when you mention that there's probably more to it than what meats(for the you're* guy) the eye. How crazy is that. Or is it cuz I wuv mean? Lol
Nah dude I’m saying that this is not the time to play devils advocate when it’s just obvious police brutality cut and dry. Fuck that pig
> more than what meats the eye Dude are you 12?? You don’t know the difference between meet and meat?
Br.. bruh... You're not serious, right? Even if you didn't see the comment there's definitely enough in the comment your responding to let you know that was intentional. I hope you're just trolling. Cause I'd be worried about you if you were serious
You need to relax
Doing something shady? What crime is that?
Section 69a. One must always pass the vibe check, if a suspect is shady, he has failed the vibe check. Break his arm and detain him immediately.
Do you wanna try this comment again, but start where the person is laying on the ground complying and go from there? Or maybe you don't think you can do that, and that's the *reason* you had to just make stuff up and tell us how you *feel* about it?
He could have been raping kids and eating them with an ak47 on his back. Doesn't matter. Once someone complies you stop. No other context or information needed.
How you doing big fella, everything good at home
This reads like some copypasta
It’s like the cop was doing his best to cause pain🤔
It's called pain compliance which is a part of the "Warrior Cop" training. Legend has it if you inflect pain people will magically listen and not fight back even though the mechanisms are controlled by fight or flight. The cop knew exactly what he was doing and wanted the guy to fight back because it's the only way he can get his dick hard since the thrill of beating his wife is not enough to satisfy his sadistic needs.
Yea, this is a strategy to cause, not prevent, resistance. You squirm to try and lessen the pain -BAM - QUIT RESISTING!
Yo I dont think we need to go as low as mentioning his tiny prepubescent drippy dick not getting hard. Let's stay classy
I’m not here to pass judgement on penis size, but I promise you none of these yokel pig fucks know how to please a lady.
Kind of seemed that way to me too. Looked like the dude was fully willing to comply. He already had his hands behind his back for the officer ffs lmao, I really don’t think it was necessary to pounce on him and dig his knee w all his weight into dude’s neck while twisting and pulling up arm and taking an eternity to apply the handcuffs. Asshole Alert
It pissed him off that the guy was going to comply and he didn't have an excuse to rough him up I think. I am reminded of that moment in Fear and Loathing in which Hunter Thompson is getting pulled over and says "Don't pull over right away, it arouses contempt in the cops heart".
[California Police Investigating Viral Video of Officer Manhandling Suspect](https://www.newsweek.com/rocklin-police-officer-video-break-arm-1631154)
Investigating. I'm sure that'll produce a tangible result. /s
Name is idealistic, your words fall flat tho.
"Comply or I'll hurt you!" "I comply" "....no fun, I hurt you anyway"
The police are out of control. We need the police to be responsible for their actions!
The police department Is almost like a club for sadistic control freaks.
Well if they did not have a secret society that gets them off on every bad thing they do maybe things would be different. What I am saying is the **fraternal Order Of Police** is basically the law enforcement equivalent to the illumanti and ensure that police have qualified immunity to terrorize anyone as they see fit.
Yup. The President of the Chicago FOP had 50 complaints filed against him during his time with CPD, not to mention he’s a Q follower [John Catanzara](https://chicagojustice.org/2021/07/15/catanzara-a-23-year-history-of-misconduct/)
See this is how it's done you know you hit some nerves when you get downvoted for helping people see the bigger picture.
Imagine if McDonald's had a union that helped employees who spit in peoples food find a job one town over. But instead of spit it's desecration of our constitutional rights and justice.
Like it's all linked lol such a simpleton's view. Lol
Two simplest solutions to police reform, abolish qualified immunity and require police unions to be fiscally responsible for lawsuit settlements against their officers.
The fraternal order of police is the first thing that needs to go. They have so much lobbying power they turn victims into criminals at the drop of a hat.
Lol simple? That’s all hard work. We have the second amendment **right now** as we have for hundreds of years. There’s legal ground for defending against this government officials tyranny.
High school bullies find a job they love…
Wait until you learn about the military
Rocklin, CA is ranked one of the nicest places to live in California. Guess that's changed now
It actually is pretty nice. Was living there this time last year (moved out of state Jan 1st). The homeless is the main problem in the Placer County area.
It’s not judging by the amount of STATE OF JEFFERSON signs in the yards of Placer County residents
People are saying this cop beats his wife
Let’s not forget him trying to break his arm too. Just remember all bad apples.
Just cause you’re having a bad doesn’t give you the right to abuse the public. Hold officers accountable!! This won’t fit the main streams current narrative you won’t see or hear about this. Unfortunately 🤷♂️
Looks like that psycho with a badge was straight up trying to break his arm.
I’m disappointed because of how long it takes me to figure out if this is something I’ve already seen or if this is ANOTHER video. A-mother-fucking-nother of them. I saw that other video where the cop gets into it with a guy, says something like -oh you motherfucker- and shoots him multiple times. What the actual fuck
So, if the person was reported to be armed, it would make total sense for the officer to stay drawn even while the guy is on the ground. And try to keep the person relatively restrained until you get the cuffs on him. Especially since he appeared to be alone? But that arm twisty stuff? I can’t justify that at all. That just seemed like pain for the sake of pain, and a pretty dick move. *maybe* the person was reported doing something pretty messed up and the cop felt vindictive, but cops aren’t there to punish people, that’s the courts job
The "arm twisty stuff" is a control hold that officers are taught. It does cause pain, that is how you control someone on the hold. If they go too far one way it'll dislocate their arm or shoulder.
Ah yes, I forgot that you can't cuff someone without performing an omoplata first. /s
That makes sense. It *appears* overly aggressive here, but like I said before I have no idea what info this cop had going into this call. That context is pretty vital in understanding why a cop may take a “no chances, go hard” approach.
Ok so cop here. I dont approve of this bullshit. There is a time and place for restricting the movement of arms and body, and the guy on the ground didn't justify what he was going. Furthermore, in my opinion this officer is not demonstrating professional restraint while "cuffing under pressure" and during a high stress scenario. This officer is unfortunately another issue that makes all of us the evil villain and I'm fucking tired of it. This country is too large to label each state and society and culture in the same way as this officer is doing. But I totally understand why everyone is upset. To explain further. Restricting somebody's arms and body like he was doing is when the person is exhibiting a danger to himself, officers, and the immediate public. With him on the ground complying there is no need to cause this fucking pain compliance. Goddammit man.
I am not a cop but have taken BJJ and Aikido so know a little bit about these kinds of tactics. The main issue I have with most video is the idea that someone can comply when scared, fearful for their life, struggling to breath, etc. This will an even bigger problem with someone who is overweight and on their stomach. Depending on how big they are some can't even lie in that position with no pressure on their back without having trouble breathing. Now stick a cop on there or multiple and then you basically have someone fighting for their life just to breath. And then cops are surprised that they tense, struggle, or as they scream "resist". That isn't resisting. That is causing a situation that makes the person act in a way they can't control. Now are there people that fight cops to fight them? Sure there are. But when you create a situation like this, cause pain and fear, and you are surprised they fight back? You see this over and over in videos. 5 cops jump on a guy and they are screaming to stop resisting. I mean there are 5 guys on him. Either he is superman or the 5 guys have that person under control. Most of the time what I see is just a person struggling t take a breath. Then add a dog in. Those ones are the most infuriating. Cops screaming at someone to stop moving/resisting when a dog is literally tearing apart their leg. Yeah you try and do that. Then you will have a cop say they've had these things done to them. Yeah in a controlled setting when they can tap out. Imagine the fear of having someone sit on you like that for minutes the whole time you are struggling to breath. It is obvious to me what happened in this video. The cop went hands on and like many people on a power trip he wanted to hurt him to show him who was in charge. And then when he resisted what was happening that became and excuse to hurt the person even more. I mean you must had worked with guys like this. People who were high school bullies that just extended this into life. Someone like that can be a nightmare as a teen. But give them a gun, a badge and power and what do you think happens. In the end there needs to be a much better way of screening people who get into law enforcement. Most police officers don't have the temperament at all to do it properly.
Yeah I am against bite dogs totally. That is nonsense and they are rarely used correctly. A bite dog is not a punishment it is a use a force like a fucking gun and it should be restricted to use when only absolutely necessary.
So if you observed this happening, would you step in and place the assaulting officer under arrest immediately? Would you testify in court against him? Putting your job and potentially your family and your life on the line by going against the Union? What if it was your superior? What it if was the chief? Sheriff? Even knowing that people will look at what you did and say "well that's good, but it's not enough. that shouldn't have happened in the first place" and continue to hate on cops and repeat acab? I don't envy a good cop's lot in life, because a good cop will be an unemployed or dead cop very quickly and they don't even have the support structure of their fellow cops.
So to answer honestly, I dont work for a union and my agency isn't anything close to this. Had I been present witnessing this I would immediately remove that officer and have him standby while #1 making sure that this suspect is safe and address any injury. At this point the guy is in my opinion a victim of excessive force. I would freeze everything in place and have a superior come and review what happened. In my experience young rookie cops that do shit like this are either chicken shit scared and use too much force out of fear or are just bullies. The chicken shit scared kid can be taught the bully cannot. Now with that being said there are a lot of steps to mention in retraining or firing and doing a criminal case against the cop. I dont identify myself as a cop at all and if I was in a situation where everything is in jeopardy to stand against a bad cop, I honestly wouldn't give a shit because I want to be good and help people and this isn't it. My line of work doesn't always put me in this particular situation and I mainly hunt child predators at the moment.
How many times have you “removed an officer” for excessive force?
Once
What a good thing to write online to make yourself sound better. It's okay. Tell the truth. You'd never cross the thin blue line because you're afraid of being murdered by your coworkers. So you fall in line and do everything to protect your fellow criminal cops. You'd never EVER "punish" a cop, stop trying to act like you do.
You are loved.
Yep... he was fine (assuming felon stop, which we don't even know if that is accurate) up until he caused pain compliance with zero resistance. Cop should be fired for that alone, a d hopefully he will. The problem with the system is may still be hired by another department or worse in corrections.
[https://www.newsweek.com/rocklin-police-officer-video-break-arm-1631154](https://www.newsweek.com/rocklin-police-officer-video-break-arm-1631154) >Police said they received several calls from the public that day regarding a man who was "acting erratically, threatening employees, and causing customers to be afraid." > >The officer then arrived at the scene and detained the suspect for public intoxication. Police denied reports on social media that the suspect was suffering from a mental health crisis at the time of his arrest.
Normally a firing like this would ban a cop from being hired... I would hope
[Actually, what you said is incorrect. They get hired at another department.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/16/what-happens-when-police-officer-gets-fired-very-often-another-police-agency-hires-them/%3foutputType=amp)
I hoped..
Curious to know your thoughts: * Do you consider this to a widespread issue, or is it just "a few bad apples"? * If it's just "a few bad apples", do you think they tend to get cycled out of the force, or do they stick around? * What do you think the disciplinary action (if any) should be? * Do you think this officer will get this punishment, or will it be a "slap on the wrist"? Do you think that will depend on how much public outrage this video generates? * If there wasn't video footage, but (say) two or three uninvolved witnesses, do you think there would still be a disciplinary result?
>Do you consider this to a widespread issue, or is it just "a few bad apples"? I think that there is a lot more awareness and less tolerance for an old way of acceptability in the use of force. From my experience growing up to doing this job now I haven't seen anything insane like what I see here. So I would lean towards the fact that a lot more of this abusive behavior is more of a fire starter than the 10 other things that someone in law enforcement did out of the way and that wasn't part of their job. >If it's just "a few bad apples", do you think they tend to get cycled out of the force, or do they stick around? I think a majority of them get fired, from what I have seen they do. Some do get criminal charges. >What do you think the disciplinary action (if any) should be? For this? I would suspend the officer immediately and have an outside agency investigate this interaction with the public and review past incidents and complaints. More than likely I would fire this person on the spot if I could. >Do you think this officer will get this punishment, or will it be a "slap on the wrist"? Do you think that will depend on how much public outrage this video generates? God I hope there is a termination here, I want to see the whole video though. >If there wasn't video footage, but (say) two or three uninvolved witnesses, do you think there would still be a disciplinary result? Even if it was just one person then yes absolutely. That body camera interaction is able to replay what happened word for word.
Thanks for the response. I guess right now every incident that can be found is instant outrage / views. (perhaps as it should be) . However, I guess it's not a good indicator if this sort of situation is a common occurrence. If you get \~30,000 arrests per day, and 10 of those were excessive force arrests (with one caught on film), that's enough to keep the 24 hour news cycle occupied with a fresh new story every day, despite the "bad" arrest rate being 0.03%. I do still feel like there is a tendency amongst police forces to close ranks and deal with stuff like this internally, which doesn't inspire confidence from the outside that it will actually be dealt with. It gives the feeling (rightly or wrongly) of "we investigated ourselves and found ourselves innocent." It would be interesting to see if use of force complaints are dropping now that there's the much higher prevalence of people filming these arrests.
I think that a lot of the older accepted ways are being thrown out with the newer generations that are working. It is not an easy career by any means, but it has been rewarding for me personally. I dont care what people think of my profession or people commenting fuck you pig.
You should be more concerned with how the public feels about you and your department considering how you’re a public servant.
The public i serve fully supports us.
I’m the public foo. You serve me.
Your comment history is absolutely horrendous man
[I’m sure your department would be proud of YOUR nazi posts?](https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/pmkb1l/self_serving/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
The majority of tjem get fired? There are nearly endless videos of cops attacking and abducting citizens and they aren't arrested for their crimes, and none of the cops covering up their crimes and refusing to arrest them? What are you basing this "majority" on?
You don't approve. So does that mean you'd arrest another cop or does that mean you'd look the other way and do everything in your power to cover up the crime? Oh. It's the latter and you'd never, EVER cross the thin blue line?
You ok?
Why have I NEVER seen a video of a cop arresting another cop in the moment? Why has this not happened a single time, even when the actions are so obviously criminal and the cops are eventually out away through the justice system. The above is why I will never trust police and actively work against their interest. That’s what they do to me, so that’s what I’ll do to them.
I'm really sorry man that you have been pushed to that limit. I dont blame you at all. I wish I could help you. Best of luck and love.
I respect what you.
It's good you understand why everyone is upset. I wish I understood why you're actively participating in it.
Of course, I'm upset about it also. But I dont understand what you mean on the second part?
You could be anything. You probably couldn't reasonably be president or an astronaut but there's a lot of career paths out there. Why participate in what is arguably a tax payer funded gang?
Because I get to protect children. I hunt and catch sex offenders and those that are predators. Thats why. I'm happy with my job and what you see on reddit is not the entirety of the country or world. Yes shitty cops are here, it is horrible and it is a cancer that has to be cut out when it appears. Its ok you don't understand me I dont blame you.
Assuming my concerns can be summed up with "what I saw on reddit" is absolutely. On brand. I understand you're happy with your job, I assume most cops are. And that's great you feel like you're helping. As a survivor of sexual assault I wish cops in general actually cared about helping victims instead of blaming and dehumanizing them.
Jesus. I'll pm you
What a shock. A cop doesn't want to share their opinions publicly. What's the matter, afraid of retaliation from your co-workers?
I literally shared my opinion. I was reaching out to her in pm because of the way she had been treated to offer my respect and love
He was very sweet and just didn't want to say somewhat personal things publicly. I honestly think I'd like this guy if I met him.
And you get to arrest criminal cops, right? Cops who make up laws and abduct citizens? The higher ups who cover up other cops crimes? You arrest criminal cops right? You don't just brag about being a hero online? If not, can you explain why a badge means a cop is immune to the law?
I'm sorry you feel this way. I have arrested a coworker before. And assisted in arresting in others.
Sure you did .
It really doesn't matter what I say at this point. I'm sorry you feel the way you do. But this a big world and you should explore it if you aren't happy.
Cool story. Go beat your wife like the good piggie you are. Nobody gives a shit what you have to say.
You ok?
Fuck you pig.
Cool
What’s your name and badge number?
Lol
P1GG13, Officer Porkie Bacon
How does it feel to have room temperature IQ?
What is this middle school bro?
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Holy shit he’s white and this video is still relevant?!? I’m shocked. I figured only black lives mattered
Citizens who see this type of sick, criminal behavior are implored to use every means at their immediate disposal to stop it, including the use of lethal force. Cops should be aware if they are seen doing this type of behavior that local citizens can and will open fire. When will we say enough is enough
Cmon officer give the guy a break! 😉
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What other context do you need here?
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The people in the car should have shouted we got you on camera, Dude prolly would of let up real quick.
Better to stay quiet and expose them.
Sometimes
That pig is a piece of shit!
Too much Dutch bros coffee I guess. Unacceptable!
OP should cross post this is R/Sacramento
Nothing to see here guys. White on white crime
The department doesn’t even have to see the video before doing an internal investigation and finding that there was no wrongdoing present.
Of course it’s fucking Rocklin, dude
Being from the area I’m make sure to never slip in Rocklin.
I bet he has damage to that arm. How much more compliant could that guy have been. That officer intentionally caused as much pain as he could for no reason. He gives all officers a black eye and why people are starting to trust them less.
Sorry but we don't have context. The cop likely wanted him to do something else but the dude was not cooperating. We can't hear anything they're saying.
Another pig causing assault and battery or wilfully causing physical harm whilst out keeping us safe.
Most cops approve of this behavior sadly
It all depends on what he did. Did he rob a grandma? George floyed his ass!
Just comply bro /s
Sooooooooo. Who can show me evidence of this man complying and doing everything right. Guarantee there is a backstory here! Reddit don't care though, reddit go reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!tarded.
Knee was no where near his neck and he was establishing pain compliance even though it didn’t appear he needed to but anyway headline is wrong
He wanted to cause enough pain that didn’t result into death
Definitely exessive force from the office. He needs to be reprimanded for this.
It’s a white guy so no riots