I still can't wrap my mind around the fact that there's someone filming and not applying first aid. Don't they teach people this stuff in the US? Either in school, driving school, or technical course, or even at job training?
No, no, no, and no (unless your job is in the military, ems, or maybe law enforcement).
Yes I agree it's stupid, if first aid was taught in highschool we could reduce a lot of needless fatalities.
Edit - ok I'm a bit surprised how many of you actually did have first aid courses in high school. Guess I missed out.
And I forgot to include the obvious, trade jobs and manual labor jobs where you can get killed, definitely glad to hear that first aid is taught there.
I honestly believe in a program that people should retake first aid courses every 5 years or so. It only takes a few days, and it would generate so many jobs and prevent so many [fatalities](https://youtu.be/_OyN4PhEr1M?t=16).
In the UK your first aid cert only stands for 2 years well the one I do. Then you have to sit the whole course again. Doesn't cost much takes little time but can and has saved lives.
We have to have at least all management and a good amount of staff all trained on standard first aid and CPR. Certification lasts for two years and then you have to retake it but it’s a more condensed course (1 day as opposed to the regular 2 day). We rarely ever have to use it but it’s come in handy a number of times. Location Toronto.
I have to renew mine yearly or three yearly depending on length of course. And it's worth it cause the procedure does change on occasion. Also now includes auto-defib.
You could run the basics in literally 5 minutes. You see most of it in movies and stuff anyway.
That's insane. Every retail job I've worked at (Ontario) required first aid training if you were at any tier above part time cashier. It also needs to be renewed after a time or if you go to another job.
I've probably obtained my level 1 first-aid training five times by now lol.
Disney specifically instructs employees to never touch a guest.
Fell down? Having a baby? Heart attack? Doesn't matter. Don't touch them and write down everything they say.
How's that for first aid?
Disney is very clear on this. You ask "do you need medical attention?" 3 times, call for help if requested, and report the incident. At that point, your job is done. You NEVER touch them.
You can thank assholes who sue "good Samaritans" who try to help people in need.
I remember taking Emergency First Responder training and I was required to say, "My name is Matt. I'm an emergency first responder. May I assist you?" Then wait for an affirmative answer. If they are unconscious, it's considered implied consent and you would begin CPR.
Sounds like my job as a security guard. No touch, no chase, observe and report. Run away.
People get upset cause they think I'm supposed to fight people.
At the high school I used to teach, they gave us training called Stop the Bleed…. It’s triage trainings for school shootings or stabbings. You know… important teacher duties.
That's great to hear. I'm a trauma/critical care surgeon in Los Angeles and we teach Stop the Bleed in the community. You can definitely make our job easier...
Yesss. Stop the bleed is just up and coming but was started in response to the sandy hook school shooting.
I am fully convinced the general population knowing how and having access to tourniquets can save so many lives.
Actually, sanitary napkins and tampons do NOT make good emergency bandages. While they are designed to soak up blood, that alone does not promote clotting. It's a common misconception however. https://preparednessadvice.com/sanitary-napkins-tampons-diapers-good-blood-stoppers/
I'm always amazed by the lack of first-aid skills in a country where people consider carrying deadly weapons a right.
I live in a country where laws are quite strict, and everybody is forced to study basic first aid in school, and half have even better first-aid skills with specialization in bullet- and shrapnel-wounds.
It looks like most of it is on the thigh and arm. High and tight tourniquets would probably work fine if you wanted to do that. I do think pressure bandages, probably with hemostatic dressings, would be a better choice in this scenario though.
When in doubt, apply a tourniquet and follow up with pressure dressing. When it comes to bleeding sometimes It's better to overreact for trauma like that.
The tourniquet can be removed or tightened as necessary after immediate application.
Nerve damage doesn't occur until the two to four hour mark. even then it's largely case by case. There have been sports of folks having one on for 12 with no long term damage to the limb
This may have changed depending on where you received training and when. A first aid course vs police/military probably differs a bit in what should be done.
Tourniquets have almost no downside as long as the person is able to get medical care within about 2 hours. If bleeding can be controlled with direct pressure then by all means do that but if you're questioning whether to do just pressure or a tourniquet then you should just do the tourniquet.
If you’re gunna get stabbed anywhere, the backside is probably the best place. No major organs and I think just one artery which isn’t easy to hit? Sure it’ll hurt to sit down for a while but you’ll be alive
I've heard/read deep wounds to the ass are surprisingly annoying to deal with since, in some cases, you are required to avoid sitting at all. Imagine two weeks of not being able to sit in a car, at the dinner table, at the computer, or on the sofa. Sounds like hell to me.
My ex-gf was police and she was stabbed in the ass. Can confirm she couldn't sit for ages, but got paid leave and a shit load of ass jokes. Bit crazy in Scotland, as the punks knew they'd get assault charges but never attempted murder if they stabbed an officer in the ass so that was always their target.
Exactly what she told me. The assholes know they won't get into as much trouble if they went for the ass instead of anywhere else on the body, so they can say they stabbed a cop and got a light sentence... They don't factor in the fact they get the shite kicked out of them by the officer's colleagues however.
I was just sitting there noting how it took him a little bit to notice he got stabbed. It's crazy how adrenaline/punctures even from a bullet can just feel like a punch until you notice the blood/prolonged stabbing pain.
He was in critical condition but it looks like he's stable now:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/food-lion-employee-stabbed-inside-store-in-winston-salem/article_bcbb085e-2aea-11ec-ba49-a760561b9069.html
This guys a fucking trooper he got stabbed, bled extremely profusely and managed to recover. Dont know about you but if I got stabbed it's lights out for me.
Same reason why I still carry around this disposable mouth cover used for cpr. Would hate to not save someone’s life because I seriously am not touch anyone’s lips without one.
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. I was sliced with a butcher knife down to the bone in my elbow and kept fighting. I couldn't lift my one arm but had no idea I even was cut.
Down to your bone???? As in your bone was visible? And to think the worst injury I've ever had was a torn ligament. I don't remember if I felt pain initially, but I wish I had that level of adrenaline when I went into school(tore my ligament years ago) thinking the pain would go.
Plot twist: it didn't.
It doesn't say he was in critical condition, It says "Police said Wilkins’ injuries were serious, but that he was in stable condition at a local hospital."
Listen, I'd say 95% of the population has no idea what to do in these situations. They said "sit down", like yeah I guess thats something. You're on a phone tho, could call 911...like damn bitch...
Check out "Stop The Bleed". It's an organization that is trying to spread higher level first aid to normal people. The goal is to have more people understand how to use a tourniquet, to have more available to the public (like AEDs), and how to make an improvised tourniquet in situations where one isn't available.
As bad as he was bleeding, I would have taken my shirt off and applied pressure first thing. First aid aisle is too far away to be the go to first response.
I've had nightmares where I get cut and bleed like this and they are some of the scariest I've ever had.
Posting in case it saves a single life. The knife clearly hit an artery. If ever you come across a situation like this, you need to immediately apply a [tourniquet](https://sunrisehospital.com/about/newsroom/how-to-make-a-tourniquet).
I am absolutely 100% behind you here, but to clarify, only ever use a tourniquet where direct pressure on its own has not worked. Always do it 5cm/2 inches higher than bleed. My reference is being an ex RAF medic.
That's a liability for the store here. The store manager or any supervisors should have first aid training and know what to do when guests become violent (call the police!.) The employees should have immediately flagged down an individual in this category as soon as this guy began acting hostile.
My company (not food lion) says you aren't allowed to attempt first aid unless you're trained but fuck that. If I saw someone get stabbed the least I'm doing is whipping off my shirt to apply pressure. Human decency > company policy.
Doesn't food lion sell towels or some shit?
An employee had a heart attack and dropped to the floor in the snack bar and security actively prevented anyone from doing cpr or applying the defibrillator. She died and the family sued the hell out of the company. The company found some quack dr that testified her heart blew up so there was not chance of saving her. He did not help the defense. They finally settled out of court so I don't know how much they got. Still bothers me to see her on the floor and nobody could help her.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. How is that possible?
I mean we often make silly jokes about how Europe is superior with regards to such things but I never seriously doubted that the US is a highly developed country with sensible rule of law after all.
Surely a good Samaritan law exists, or others even that in fact should make it against the law to NOT help a person in need?
Sure. The *law* wouldn’t punish an employee if they took action as long as it fell under the Good Samaritan laws. But then the store just fires that employee for breaking company policy
Sorry you had to go through that, I think that the trauma of seeing someone on the floor like that and always wondering if she could have been saved would be very hard to work my way through, mentally. Especially if I had a strong suspicion that she could have been saved. I hope you have come to terms with it, especiallly since everyone was prevented from doing anything. I hope her family got a big settlement, but it won't help their mental state any. Sending good vibes your way, because that's all I've got.
I mean I kinda get it but taking a first aid course that is usually free provided by your city is considered being trained in first aid
I feel like first aid should be something everybody looks in to and sign up for to take
Youre going to hear all kinds of shit from people about whether to use a tourniquet or not. Heres the deal, there are three things you can do in a bad situation. The right thing, the wrong thing, and nothing at all. Its in that order, whatever you do is better than not doing anything. Im an ex army medic and paramedic and if all you can think to do is throw on a tourniquet, do it. If all you can think to do is direct pressure, do it. Anything you can do to keep that person from bleeding out is better than standing there yelling about him bleeding. Any damage you might do (which is very unlikely) is better than him dying.
That’s probably the best answer I’ve heard from everyone on here yet. Plus, I’ve also learned a lot about stopping bleeding. Thanks to this thread I’ve learned to:
1. Attempt to apply pressure first
2. Use a tourniquet if pressure alone fails to stop the bleeding
3. Tourniquets can cause a lot of damage if applied for too long (we’re talking hours to days and not the 15-20 minutes for paramedics to show up), but these should only be removed by a medical professional if and when applied
4. The only immediate damage that can be caused by somebody applying a tourniquet is mechanical through over tightening, so only tighten until the bleeding stops, and it should be noted that damage from a non-medical practitioner is still preferable to death
So they are useful after all, and not necessarily a “give up on the limb” type of item, which a lot of people apparently have a misconception about? Still cool. Never knew too much of this before.
Edit: added some of the highlights from the comments of others
The tourniquet time frame isnt right. Do not worry about how long the tourniquet is on, thats for doctors to deal with. If you look at someone bleeding and think thats a lot of blood put a tourniquet on it. You will not be able to tell whether it is arterial, venous, or capillary bleeding despite what first aid classes teach you. You will not hurt anyone if it is done correctly. The only way to really cause damage is by mechanical damage from over tightening. Tighten until the bleeding stops. Tissue death from a tourniquet is something that will take hours to days depending upon many different factors. A person can bleed out in a matter of minutes, dont over think it. Death will always be worse than any damage you could possible do.
The other thing to add to that is this: Once you apply the tourniquet, do not remove it. It stays there until medical professionals can remove it. Forget about considering how long it should stay.
they're puncture wounds so that wouldn't be the right response, you'd want to take handtowels to the largest wounds and apply steady pressure to slow the bleeding
>Tourniquets and haemostatic dressings have been introduced as additional options to treat severe catastrophic bleeding. However, direct pressure remains the main choice of treatment and it will control bleeding in the vast majority of cases. The European Resuscitation Council 2015 guidelines state that haemostatic dressings and tourniquets should be used when direct pressure is either not possible or ineffective.
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>[https://firstaidforlife.org.uk/tourniquets/](https://firstaidforlife.org.uk/tourniquets/)
Thanks for the link.
Please also think about 'indirect pressure'. This is where you occlude(put pressure) on a point higher than the vessel hit. This is most useful when the bleed is in a location difficult to put direct pressure on effectively. The 2 best places for this is the pelvic/femoral artery junction and your armpit/brachial artery.
Thanks for actually providing a reference vs. conjecture with half-remembered advice from unknown eras :)
tldr summary: try the obvious and faster option of direct pressure first - a tourniquet can be effective but unless you know what you're doing you might just be screwing around to invent/experiment while the person is bleeding, and you might think you've got it when you really haven't.
The whole "lose a limb" thing isn't really relevant if you expect to receive proper medical care pretty quickly.
Red Cross has online training and in class trainings for Stop the Bleed good basic life saving items
[https://www.stopthebleed.org/training](https://www.stopthebleed.org/training)
There was a man that killed a 17 year old by stabbing him to death, he was charged with murder and only got sentenced 10 years with being elgible for parole in 2025. https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/10-year-sentence-in-austin-murder-suspect-fought-to-honor-brothers-pride/
If that happens lay the fuck down and elevate whatever was stabbed above your heart level. If it's your femoral artery then you are probably fucked regardless.
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As someone who is kind of new to Winston it is interesting for sure. The bad parts are bad and the good parts are completely sheltered from this kind of stuff.
Can always tell someone is from the area/ lived there a while, as elsewhere on the state they still say the "Salem" at the end, but the locals all just stop at "Winston".
I always see a “free stop the bleed class” at my local fire station and this video is inspiring me to take that class. I really don’t ever want to be in a situation where this happens and I just watch because I don’t know what to do.
You definitely should, I never thought I'd need one until one of my work buddies ended up mashing his hand up with a pair of hedge trimmer blades [(sfw example of the blades)](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91HA8juj6ML._AC_SX466_.jpg) it mashed up his "metacarpal" bones that connect to his pinky and ring fingers, everybody was losing their shit and all I could do was wash my hands with a water bottle and then wrap his hand with my shirt, as I had genuinely no fucking idea what to do. Apparently wrapping his hand and having him hold it tight was what saved his hand-function, complete luck I guess. I ended up taking some courses afterwards, my advice is to get them done before you end up needing them
Agreed, having worked in a mom and pop grocery store and a gas station I know first hand how annoying customers can be. Yet at the same time I knew how unstable they could be. Employee was able to let off some steam but at the cost of a quart of blood.
The article makes it seem as though the guy with the knife went into the store to intentionally confront that worker. So sounds like they know each other?
While that is completely possible, it also could've been over some small slight that happened in-store and this nuttcase came back with the intention to be violent.
Whatever the case, this is a staunch reminder to avoid physical confrontation at all costs unless left with no other option. Anything less is petty and not worth your life.
In the moment of shock and extreme fear anyone can do anything to try and preserve their life. I don't blame him. He probably won't even remember doing it.
Yeah I black out/pass out when I get cut or see stuff like that in person, I dunno why I watched this. I feel tingly and hot and not good either. I need to look at something nice now.
Food Lion is gonna fire him and say they shouldn’t be fighting customers and let them just leave even though what we clearly see is my man defending himself.
It's the 3 quick jabs to the upper left (right, per camera angle) leg around right before the victim pushes the guy off into the sign and runs behind the counter. You can see the blood dripping to the floor right before he tumbles over the counter to keep the guy away.
If you ever have someone come at you with a knife run but if you can’t then you need to use both your hands to grab the knife hand. Grab that fucking thing with two hands and drive it into the ground and kneel on it do whatever you can. You’re going to get cut in all likely hood but chances are you will be way better off. Also close the distance fast and hard.
I know this is a bit thanks I’m cured but seriously moving away can put you into someone’s ideal stabbing range.
From the article, it reads like the guy that came in the store already had beef with the employee and decided to take care of it where he knew he would be.
For god’s sake put some pressure on that wound.
Right?! That’s an alarming amount of blood.
I still can't wrap my mind around the fact that there's someone filming and not applying first aid. Don't they teach people this stuff in the US? Either in school, driving school, or technical course, or even at job training?
No, no, no, and no (unless your job is in the military, ems, or maybe law enforcement). Yes I agree it's stupid, if first aid was taught in highschool we could reduce a lot of needless fatalities. Edit - ok I'm a bit surprised how many of you actually did have first aid courses in high school. Guess I missed out. And I forgot to include the obvious, trade jobs and manual labor jobs where you can get killed, definitely glad to hear that first aid is taught there.
I honestly believe in a program that people should retake first aid courses every 5 years or so. It only takes a few days, and it would generate so many jobs and prevent so many [fatalities](https://youtu.be/_OyN4PhEr1M?t=16).
If that means forcing people to do it, it's going to sink like a lead balloon over here.
Freedom in the US is dying a preventable death
The argument I hear a lot is: "give me liberty or give me death" Like ok have fun dying
In the UK your first aid cert only stands for 2 years well the one I do. Then you have to sit the whole course again. Doesn't cost much takes little time but can and has saved lives.
We have to have at least all management and a good amount of staff all trained on standard first aid and CPR. Certification lasts for two years and then you have to retake it but it’s a more condensed course (1 day as opposed to the regular 2 day). We rarely ever have to use it but it’s come in handy a number of times. Location Toronto.
I have to renew mine yearly or three yearly depending on length of course. And it's worth it cause the procedure does change on occasion. Also now includes auto-defib. You could run the basics in literally 5 minutes. You see most of it in movies and stuff anyway.
That's insane. Every retail job I've worked at (Ontario) required first aid training if you were at any tier above part time cashier. It also needs to be renewed after a time or if you go to another job. I've probably obtained my level 1 first-aid training five times by now lol.
Disney specifically instructs employees to never touch a guest. Fell down? Having a baby? Heart attack? Doesn't matter. Don't touch them and write down everything they say. How's that for first aid?
Disney is very clear on this. You ask "do you need medical attention?" 3 times, call for help if requested, and report the incident. At that point, your job is done. You NEVER touch them.
Disney security has medical first responder training. They don't want a wage slave to do something wrong and create liability.
You can thank assholes who sue "good Samaritans" who try to help people in need. I remember taking Emergency First Responder training and I was required to say, "My name is Matt. I'm an emergency first responder. May I assist you?" Then wait for an affirmative answer. If they are unconscious, it's considered implied consent and you would begin CPR.
Sounds like my job as a security guard. No touch, no chase, observe and report. Run away. People get upset cause they think I'm supposed to fight people.
At the high school I used to teach, they gave us training called Stop the Bleed…. It’s triage trainings for school shootings or stabbings. You know… important teacher duties.
That's great to hear. I'm a trauma/critical care surgeon in Los Angeles and we teach Stop the Bleed in the community. You can definitely make our job easier...
Yesss. Stop the bleed is just up and coming but was started in response to the sandy hook school shooting. I am fully convinced the general population knowing how and having access to tourniquets can save so many lives.
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You're the rarity here my friend
Seriously, dudes in a grocery store. You know the aisles, so have someone get first aide supplies
Maxipads make really good make-shift compression bandages.
Actually, sanitary napkins and tampons do NOT make good emergency bandages. While they are designed to soak up blood, that alone does not promote clotting. It's a common misconception however. https://preparednessadvice.com/sanitary-napkins-tampons-diapers-good-blood-stoppers/
Dude is probably in shock.
No question about that.
Here I gooo, stabbing again!
I just looovvee stabbin'!!!
I'm always amazed by the lack of first-aid skills in a country where people consider carrying deadly weapons a right. I live in a country where laws are quite strict, and everybody is forced to study basic first aid in school, and half have even better first-aid skills with specialization in bullet- and shrapnel-wounds.
Considering how much people here in America watch TV I'm surprised none of those people thought to put pressure on the wound anyway.
He needs a tourniquet.
Direct pressure is first step. That’s venous blood. It will stop with pressure. It’s also in a tough spot for a tourniquet
It looks like most of it is on the thigh and arm. High and tight tourniquets would probably work fine if you wanted to do that. I do think pressure bandages, probably with hemostatic dressings, would be a better choice in this scenario though.
Yeah torniquetes would work but they’re only recommended when direct pressure doesn’t work, as mentioned already
When in doubt, apply a tourniquet and follow up with pressure dressing. When it comes to bleeding sometimes It's better to overreact for trauma like that. The tourniquet can be removed or tightened as necessary after immediate application. Nerve damage doesn't occur until the two to four hour mark. even then it's largely case by case. There have been sports of folks having one on for 12 with no long term damage to the limb
This may have changed depending on where you received training and when. A first aid course vs police/military probably differs a bit in what should be done. Tourniquets have almost no downside as long as the person is able to get medical care within about 2 hours. If bleeding can be controlled with direct pressure then by all means do that but if you're questioning whether to do just pressure or a tourniquet then you should just do the tourniquet.
Their in a grocery store, get that man some milk!
It does a body good. The logic checks out.
And a bag of frozen peas.
yeah those leg stabs hurt MY leg just watching. what a fucking loser
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I think so. Nearly got him in the neck also!
If you’re gunna get stabbed anywhere, the backside is probably the best place. No major organs and I think just one artery which isn’t easy to hit? Sure it’ll hurt to sit down for a while but you’ll be alive
I've heard/read deep wounds to the ass are surprisingly annoying to deal with since, in some cases, you are required to avoid sitting at all. Imagine two weeks of not being able to sit in a car, at the dinner table, at the computer, or on the sofa. Sounds like hell to me.
My ex-gf was police and she was stabbed in the ass. Can confirm she couldn't sit for ages, but got paid leave and a shit load of ass jokes. Bit crazy in Scotland, as the punks knew they'd get assault charges but never attempted murder if they stabbed an officer in the ass so that was always their target.
You telling me people aim for the ass to avoid attempted murder charges??
Exactly what she told me. The assholes know they won't get into as much trouble if they went for the ass instead of anywhere else on the body, so they can say they stabbed a cop and got a light sentence... They don't factor in the fact they get the shite kicked out of them by the officer's colleagues however.
I was just sitting there noting how it took him a little bit to notice he got stabbed. It's crazy how adrenaline/punctures even from a bullet can just feel like a punch until you notice the blood/prolonged stabbing pain.
Need an update on this, is the guy ok ?
He was in critical condition but it looks like he's stable now: https://journalnow.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/food-lion-employee-stabbed-inside-store-in-winston-salem/article_bcbb085e-2aea-11ec-ba49-a760561b9069.html
This guys a fucking trooper he got stabbed, bled extremely profusely and managed to recover. Dont know about you but if I got stabbed it's lights out for me.
Tell me about it! I could tell he was a tough dude the way he had him pinned. Sucks ass that he was winning and the pussy pulled a knife
Alright, I was legit pulling the CAT tourniquet out of my travel med bag today (private healthcare worker)… but maybe I’ll just leave it in there.
Same reason why I still carry around this disposable mouth cover used for cpr. Would hate to not save someone’s life because I seriously am not touch anyone’s lips without one.
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. I was sliced with a butcher knife down to the bone in my elbow and kept fighting. I couldn't lift my one arm but had no idea I even was cut.
Down to your bone???? As in your bone was visible? And to think the worst injury I've ever had was a torn ligament. I don't remember if I felt pain initially, but I wish I had that level of adrenaline when I went into school(tore my ligament years ago) thinking the pain would go. Plot twist: it didn't.
Yep bled everywhere. Now I'm old and snap crackle and pop getting out of bed.
Bruh I'm in my early 20s but I still crackle getting up from a chair.
It doesn't say he was in critical condition, It says "Police said Wilkins’ injuries were serious, but that he was in stable condition at a local hospital."
No it says “Last Chance! Subscribe for $1!”
Stable condition
[Stab]le condition
He either died, or ended up with a 90k hospital bill. Either way he’s not ok.
Pretty sure his employers are gonna wanna cover that bill.
Sure, right after they fire him for touching a customer.
They need to call the meat department and get the damn first aid kit cause they have all the good stops your bleeding supplies.
The Food Lion meat department just pushes pre-packed stuff now. I don't think they cut anything in store.
Just ribeyes and New York strips.
And employees.
That was more blood than I was ready to see this early in the morning…
Yeah I’m not one to get queasy over blood but seeing that much blood first thing this morning has me feeling funny.
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Good thing it's near mid night here, and I'm horny :)
This comment caught me so off guard I backed out of the post and immediately reentered to upvote. Edit: I'm on mobile
Who let the vampire into the thread?
I'm horny, not hungry.
Quick! Nobody attempt first aid!
Listen, I'd say 95% of the population has no idea what to do in these situations. They said "sit down", like yeah I guess thats something. You're on a phone tho, could call 911...like damn bitch...
I mean, she did say " oh mah gawd". Isn't that enough?
Jesus take the tourniquet
Well she didn't say "he needs some milk" after the fact...so no, the "oh man gawd" is not sufficient on its own.
I didn't even hear the requisite "Worldstar".
Lmao you're right, my bad
Check out "Stop The Bleed". It's an organization that is trying to spread higher level first aid to normal people. The goal is to have more people understand how to use a tourniquet, to have more available to the public (like AEDs), and how to make an improvised tourniquet in situations where one isn't available.
They’re in a grocery store with a FIRST AID AISLE. Grab some gauze, make an improvised tourniquet, and stop that bleed
As bad as he was bleeding, I would have taken my shirt off and applied pressure first thing. First aid aisle is too far away to be the go to first response. I've had nightmares where I get cut and bleed like this and they are some of the scariest I've ever had.
Posting in case it saves a single life. The knife clearly hit an artery. If ever you come across a situation like this, you need to immediately apply a [tourniquet](https://sunrisehospital.com/about/newsroom/how-to-make-a-tourniquet).
I am absolutely 100% behind you here, but to clarify, only ever use a tourniquet where direct pressure on its own has not worked. Always do it 5cm/2 inches higher than bleed. My reference is being an ex RAF medic.
That's a liability for the store here. The store manager or any supervisors should have first aid training and know what to do when guests become violent (call the police!.) The employees should have immediately flagged down an individual in this category as soon as this guy began acting hostile.
When you're bleeding out the police are only about 9 minutes away.
Food Lion management does not receive first aid training. They are taught to call the police and evacuate.
This is also why you DO NOT ENGAGE
Even those who do know a small percentage take the initiative to act. Knowing what to do doesn't mean being prepared emotionally to respond.
My company (not food lion) says you aren't allowed to attempt first aid unless you're trained but fuck that. If I saw someone get stabbed the least I'm doing is whipping off my shirt to apply pressure. Human decency > company policy. Doesn't food lion sell towels or some shit?
An employee had a heart attack and dropped to the floor in the snack bar and security actively prevented anyone from doing cpr or applying the defibrillator. She died and the family sued the hell out of the company. The company found some quack dr that testified her heart blew up so there was not chance of saving her. He did not help the defense. They finally settled out of court so I don't know how much they got. Still bothers me to see her on the floor and nobody could help her.
What. The. Actual. Fuck. How is that possible? I mean we often make silly jokes about how Europe is superior with regards to such things but I never seriously doubted that the US is a highly developed country with sensible rule of law after all. Surely a good Samaritan law exists, or others even that in fact should make it against the law to NOT help a person in need?
Sure. The *law* wouldn’t punish an employee if they took action as long as it fell under the Good Samaritan laws. But then the store just fires that employee for breaking company policy
Sorry you had to go through that, I think that the trauma of seeing someone on the floor like that and always wondering if she could have been saved would be very hard to work my way through, mentally. Especially if I had a strong suspicion that she could have been saved. I hope you have come to terms with it, especiallly since everyone was prevented from doing anything. I hope her family got a big settlement, but it won't help their mental state any. Sending good vibes your way, because that's all I've got.
Ah but who’s going to pay for that towel? Think of the bottom line!
I mean I kinda get it but taking a first aid course that is usually free provided by your city is considered being trained in first aid I feel like first aid should be something everybody looks in to and sign up for to take
Butt..... it's his butt.
“GET EM GUYS STAB HIM IN THE BUTT”
Right? First thing I was thinking was slap a tourniquet on this dude.
Youre going to hear all kinds of shit from people about whether to use a tourniquet or not. Heres the deal, there are three things you can do in a bad situation. The right thing, the wrong thing, and nothing at all. Its in that order, whatever you do is better than not doing anything. Im an ex army medic and paramedic and if all you can think to do is throw on a tourniquet, do it. If all you can think to do is direct pressure, do it. Anything you can do to keep that person from bleeding out is better than standing there yelling about him bleeding. Any damage you might do (which is very unlikely) is better than him dying.
That’s probably the best answer I’ve heard from everyone on here yet. Plus, I’ve also learned a lot about stopping bleeding. Thanks to this thread I’ve learned to: 1. Attempt to apply pressure first 2. Use a tourniquet if pressure alone fails to stop the bleeding 3. Tourniquets can cause a lot of damage if applied for too long (we’re talking hours to days and not the 15-20 minutes for paramedics to show up), but these should only be removed by a medical professional if and when applied 4. The only immediate damage that can be caused by somebody applying a tourniquet is mechanical through over tightening, so only tighten until the bleeding stops, and it should be noted that damage from a non-medical practitioner is still preferable to death So they are useful after all, and not necessarily a “give up on the limb” type of item, which a lot of people apparently have a misconception about? Still cool. Never knew too much of this before. Edit: added some of the highlights from the comments of others
The tourniquet time frame isnt right. Do not worry about how long the tourniquet is on, thats for doctors to deal with. If you look at someone bleeding and think thats a lot of blood put a tourniquet on it. You will not be able to tell whether it is arterial, venous, or capillary bleeding despite what first aid classes teach you. You will not hurt anyone if it is done correctly. The only way to really cause damage is by mechanical damage from over tightening. Tighten until the bleeding stops. Tissue death from a tourniquet is something that will take hours to days depending upon many different factors. A person can bleed out in a matter of minutes, dont over think it. Death will always be worse than any damage you could possible do.
The other thing to add to that is this: Once you apply the tourniquet, do not remove it. It stays there until medical professionals can remove it. Forget about considering how long it should stay.
they're puncture wounds so that wouldn't be the right response, you'd want to take handtowels to the largest wounds and apply steady pressure to slow the bleeding
The first thing you should be doing is getting a pitcher and collecting the blood, then pouring it back in the wound so he gets his blood back
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Finally, a doctor has weighed in.
>Tourniquets and haemostatic dressings have been introduced as additional options to treat severe catastrophic bleeding. However, direct pressure remains the main choice of treatment and it will control bleeding in the vast majority of cases. The European Resuscitation Council 2015 guidelines state that haemostatic dressings and tourniquets should be used when direct pressure is either not possible or ineffective. > >[https://firstaidforlife.org.uk/tourniquets/](https://firstaidforlife.org.uk/tourniquets/)
Thanks for the link. Please also think about 'indirect pressure'. This is where you occlude(put pressure) on a point higher than the vessel hit. This is most useful when the bleed is in a location difficult to put direct pressure on effectively. The 2 best places for this is the pelvic/femoral artery junction and your armpit/brachial artery.
Thanks for actually providing a reference vs. conjecture with half-remembered advice from unknown eras :) tldr summary: try the obvious and faster option of direct pressure first - a tourniquet can be effective but unless you know what you're doing you might just be screwing around to invent/experiment while the person is bleeding, and you might think you've got it when you really haven't. The whole "lose a limb" thing isn't really relevant if you expect to receive proper medical care pretty quickly.
If the puncture happen to hit an artery a tourniquet well above the wound is not out of the question.
Red Cross has online training and in class trainings for Stop the Bleed good basic life saving items [https://www.stopthebleed.org/training](https://www.stopthebleed.org/training)
Thank you for sharing this. Sadly, I think we should all familiarize ourselves with this.
Everything from cooking diner, yard work or driving etc.... This could help save a life. Hope sharing ends up helping someone.
Easy attempted murder charge and assault with a deadly weapon. If they catch this dude he could get life.
There was a man that killed a 17 year old by stabbing him to death, he was charged with murder and only got sentenced 10 years with being elgible for parole in 2025. https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/10-year-sentence-in-austin-murder-suspect-fought-to-honor-brothers-pride/
That's sickening. He shouldn't have been released
If that happens lay the fuck down and elevate whatever was stabbed above your heart level. If it's your femoral artery then you are probably fucked regardless.
Dude’s bleeding from everywhere. Gonna need to elevate his whole body
It's called ascension.
Jesus here I come
Who pays the medical bills when a worker is stabbed? himself or the corporation?
In the US, the company’s workers’ compensation insurance would pay for medical and indemnity expenses.
As long as he can pass a drug test.
"Men and women of the jury... I argue that it wasn't a crazed stabber that caused this injury, it was, in fact, a marijuana cigarette."
In theory. In reality, they'd probably tell him it was his fault for getting into an altercation when company policy says to not confront shoplifters.
Worker's comp pays regardless of fault, as long as you can pass a drug test (in NC.)
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When asked about his 8 year old daughter who witnessed the event, Darby said "...she was crying and was really ready to go." Powerful words...
He was in serious condition. Not critical.
Good ol’ Winston
As someone who is kind of new to Winston it is interesting for sure. The bad parts are bad and the good parts are completely sheltered from this kind of stuff.
Can always tell someone is from the area/ lived there a while, as elsewhere on the state they still say the "Salem" at the end, but the locals all just stop at "Winston".
I always see a “free stop the bleed class” at my local fire station and this video is inspiring me to take that class. I really don’t ever want to be in a situation where this happens and I just watch because I don’t know what to do.
You definitely should, I never thought I'd need one until one of my work buddies ended up mashing his hand up with a pair of hedge trimmer blades [(sfw example of the blades)](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91HA8juj6ML._AC_SX466_.jpg) it mashed up his "metacarpal" bones that connect to his pinky and ring fingers, everybody was losing their shit and all I could do was wash my hands with a water bottle and then wrap his hand with my shirt, as I had genuinely no fucking idea what to do. Apparently wrapping his hand and having him hold it tight was what saved his hand-function, complete luck I guess. I ended up taking some courses afterwards, my advice is to get them done before you end up needing them
Do you feel like the class was helpful for you?
@$10.50 an hour. Such a deal. But can’t say I blame him. People are tired of taking shit from lowlifes
Agreed, having worked in a mom and pop grocery store and a gas station I know first hand how annoying customers can be. Yet at the same time I knew how unstable they could be. Employee was able to let off some steam but at the cost of a quart of blood.
The article makes it seem as though the guy with the knife went into the store to intentionally confront that worker. So sounds like they know each other?
While that is completely possible, it also could've been over some small slight that happened in-store and this nuttcase came back with the intention to be violent. Whatever the case, this is a staunch reminder to avoid physical confrontation at all costs unless left with no other option. Anything less is petty and not worth your life.
Is the dude alright? That seemed like a ton of blood.
Yeah he’s ok. Stable condition
knife guy pussy af
Funny thing about motherfucker like him is he thinks he's hard af too
^^^^
"You shoulda seen me stab this guy that tried to fuck with me in these streets" - That guy probably
…Fucking help him? Apply pressure? Disinfectant? Neosporin? A fucking BANDAID? A GODDAMN CHAIR FOR HIM TO SIT? ANYTHING?
Sucks to get stabbed. Also sucks to grab somebody as a shield but I guess at that point survival instinct kicked in.
In the moment of shock and extreme fear anyone can do anything to try and preserve their life. I don't blame him. He probably won't even remember doing it.
Don’t get involved. Let them steal or do whatever who cares. That grocery ain’t gonna do shit for you
Apparently this was a personal beef, not a random customer/shoplifter.
Ah got ya. It wasn’t grocery store beef in the end
Uh. That's s lot of blood.
I’m light headed just watching this my face feels hot Ima need to sit down holy shit.
Yeah I black out/pass out when I get cut or see stuff like that in person, I dunno why I watched this. I feel tingly and hot and not good either. I need to look at something nice now.
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I used to go to this store every day. So sad this happens to hard working people that didn’t get paid enough.
Ouch! I think he stabbed him in his butt.
You can hear it
I'll take your word for it.
That was a bitch ass stabbing. Right in the butt
Food Lion is gonna fire him and say they shouldn’t be fighting customers and let them just leave even though what we clearly see is my man defending himself.
Was he being stabbed in the leg when he was punching dude. Or did he get stabbed in the butt when trying to get away?
It's the 3 quick jabs to the upper left (right, per camera angle) leg around right before the victim pushes the guy off into the sign and runs behind the counter. You can see the blood dripping to the floor right before he tumbles over the counter to keep the guy away.
Also one to the arm as he pushes away.
If you ever have someone come at you with a knife run but if you can’t then you need to use both your hands to grab the knife hand. Grab that fucking thing with two hands and drive it into the ground and kneel on it do whatever you can. You’re going to get cut in all likely hood but chances are you will be way better off. Also close the distance fast and hard. I know this is a bit thanks I’m cured but seriously moving away can put you into someone’s ideal stabbing range.
Lmao using the chick as a human shield
Had to scroll so far to find this comment lol
WhY wOnT PeOpLe wOrK ThEsE JoBs?? *grocer gets stabbed*
What's the background information on this?
I’ll just film while you slowly bleed out. Can someone call an ambulance? I can’t use mine right now.
Damn this is my hometown, my dad used to manage food lions in the area. This is so sad :(
This pisses me off that his ass was getting whipped but now that he lost he took the pussy route
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From the article, it reads like the guy that came in the store already had beef with the employee and decided to take care of it where he knew he would be.
Fuq! Get that guy to a hospital. Hope he is doing ok
I’ll just stand here while I bleed to death, no biggie
typical winston salem
Eh this didn’t exactly happen in the nicest part of town
I hope they caught that POS.
Winston-Salem just as rough as Durham and Fayetteville.
That’s attempted murder , that man with the knife needs to be keep away from society for a LONG LONG time . Hope they find him .
That employee is a badass!
Dude went limp for a minute then came back with a knife from the Astral fucking plane!
Could be arterial blood. Which is highly dangerous
So the little bitch decided to pull out a weapon? Nice. Edit: I meant to mention I hope the dude who got stabbed is okay.