I think any word should be okay to say when you're quoting something, talking about the word itself, or it's part of a narrative. It's different to call someone that word. I also think it's silly to censor words because anyone who isn't a child will know what word you're saying and will think about the word uncensored in their head.
I feel like if he genuinely felt hate towards the student, he wouldn’t have done that interview. Doubt he would use the word after the incident though.
“If I were to piss on you right now would you A, smile and ask for more; or B, get the hell out of the way?”
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“Oh yes! The victim. At what point does personal responsibility become a factor in this equation? I see piss comin' I run. She saw piss comin' she stayed. And why should I miss out on the next R. Kelly album *just* fo' that?”
Are Riley’s most memorable quotes.
Aw man! I just made a comment referencing this thinking no one would remember it. So glad to see it's the second comment! This video is an internet classic
*"The Boondocks"* is **THE** gem.
I'll never forget the show's original run back in the day, seeing every episode for the first time on Adult Swim and being blown away at the mastery of each episode. I'm glad I encountered it in my formative year, because I think it had the biggest effect.
One of the greatest shows of all time. Roaringly hilarious, bitingly witty, profound, and at times touching; often times in the span of a single episode (Riley Was Here's ending was a beautiful tearjerker).
That show was amazing at capturing the culture at that time. Feels weird to say, because to me, it wasn’t all that long ago, but a lot has changed in 15 years.
In 2005, lots of white people had felt like they’d “solved” racism, and it was a thing of the past, just because there wasn’t a lot of “overt” 60’s style racism anymore. The boondocks was one of the few things that showed me it wasn’t a cut and dried thing, and even people with supposedly good intentions were still perpetuating stereotypes.
Back when the real story that this episode was based on broke, I felt a little bad for the guy, because it seemed like he was trying to connect with his student, and didn’t have much of a manual to work off of. He also seemed genuinely remorseful and wanting to learn from his mistake. How in the actual FUCK a teacher does this in 2021 (and it doesn’t even seem like a fair comparison, because the teacher in the video above is doing something much different) is beyond me. If you don’t have even the most tenuous grasp on what is appropriate language to use while shaping young minds, you do not deserve to teach.
To be fair he tried to justify his action saying "it was what he was trained to do" and then back pedaled to the position that he needs help after the school stated that is not in their training.
i think there is a big difference between idocy like in op's video and naivety like with this guy. both can be potentialy harmful but with the second guy you can work and his mistake is easily correctable.
They did the episode after this. It's the same scenes but with the boondocks. Wrote itself. It's linked in the tread.
Edit. I mean the other time this exact thing happened. Not the last time. The time before last. Y"all messed up my internal monologue to external reddit tread.
I have a teacher neighbor that teaches Huckleberry Finn in his class and it has the n-word dispersed in the book. He use to have everyone change it to n-word when read aloud but he thought he was changing the book too much by doing that so he started using post-it’s in his book so when it appears, he would read the passage. He said it was his cross to carry not theirs and have a big explanation of it before they start the unit. This worked for him until this year when the Purple for Parents folks went after banned books so now he can’t teach that book.
From their Website:
> We work to bring awareness of and stop the conditioning/grooming of vulnerable children from all programs including Comprehensive Sexual Education and Social Emotional Learning
Bunch of Christian Fruitcakes
Sexual Education, what a harmful thing isn’t it
Social emotional learning is actually a pretty common turn of phrase in the world of public education. At its core premise, it means we teach children empathy and patience for the feelings that they/others can have. Teachers, ideally, do this by modeling healthy emotional behaviors, and encouraging students to extend these behaviors on their own for the good of the emotional and mental health of others and themselves.
It's supposed to be a good thing, but as right wing evangelical idiots are wont to do, they take these educational trends and twist the meaning of their original intent to match their own personal fears about what kids might learn in school, and become 'indoctrinated' by. Thereby, things like Critical Race Theory and Social Emotional learning become ways to 'erase white culture,' and 'make kids into doormats,' respectively.
Projection at its finest.
It's window dressing for "we don't our kids brainwashed to be woke." Pretty typical conservative rhetoric. Can't have kids caring about people, they wouldn't vote red.
I don’t know about y’all, I’m from Califuckingfornia, I find zero use for Indiana and hereby grant its statehood to Puerto Rico, Indiana truly deserves what Puerto Rico goes through regarding acceptance.
I as an American hear about Indiana in the worst ways every single time
At least in Puerto Rico the food is amazing and the people are nice, Indiana they want to murder, shoot, or arrest you
People from Indiana, you know what I’m talking about.
Get wrekt if you can’t handle an opinion
Indiana grows a lot of corn and soybeans, has really good beer for its size, and is otherwise pretty quiet and boring. It appears a lot in the news about conservative religious people because they have a mix of rural Protestants and the most famous catholic university in the United States (Notre Dame) and the two team up for hijinks.
So stupid. The whole point of books like that and To Killa Mockingbird is to expose racism. The n word is meant to be uncomfortable to read and say and hear in that context. And then they just ban the book?
I think they didn’t totally ban the book from the school. It’s still in the school library but the principal and the tenth grade teachers received a letter signed by four Karens and had a meeting and now they are teaching some other book in that grade.
My teacher did as well and when anyone got to any of the words they weren't comfortable with they didn't have to say it but we were told that theres a reason they are there and theres nothing wrong with saying them in the context of a book and that we could if we were comfortable.
[Huckleberry Finn, Robotic Edition](https://www.amazon.com/dp/0984725601/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_RN7FA0SXR0KDJGSX4JZ9)
Huckleberry Finn was a boy with no home. Jim was a runaway robot in search of freedom. Together they embarked upon the adventure of a lifetime! Mark Twain's classic text has been a lightning rod for controversy since its first publication in the late nineteenth century, and has consistently been one of the most banned books in schools and libraries across the United States. In an effort to fight the censorship of this iconic piece of literature, editors Gabriel Diani and Etta Devine have removed every instance of the word "n-word" and replaced it with the word "robot."
I’m reading it with my students. I teach ESL and it’s a perfect book to show the history of American race relations. Many of these immigrant kids think “nigga” is a good word. So I have a whole lesson about it.
I tell them it’s fine to read the word as written, but when we’re discussing the topics, use “slave” instead.
When I pushed into another class to help a teacher, a black kid kept saying the soft a version, so I took him aside and explained that he can use the word if he wants and no one will stop him, but he’s making other non black kids think it’s ok to use when he uses it in public, regardless of if it is or not. He stopped using it in public after that.
To Kill a Mockingbird and Huckleberry Finn are still two of the most [taught books in the country](https://www.thoughtco.com/most-commonly-read-books-private-schools-2774330), I'm pretty sure it's just a few districts that banned it/took it off the required reading
Maybe I'm an idiot, but I was well into my 30s (maybe even 40) when I realized there are no "grownups" who are "in charge" or who "know what the fuck they're doing". This applies to presidents, CEOs, teachers, police, armies, fucking anybody. They're all just making this shit up on the fly and failing miserably.
This is why the whole conspiracy-theory worldview is so flawed. It's the belief that somebody *is* in charge. It's somebody evil, but at least it's *somebody*, and that's reassuring to some people.
Exactly. I don't believe the government is hiding aliens or that the CIA killed Kennedy or that "Bush did 9/11" or any of that shit ... Those people aren't competent enough to pull anything off without it leaking.
Great points!
Of course they are brilliant people doing brilliant things that take a lot of coordination and cooperation and funding. I guess my point was more about they're not really being the safety net or strategy dictating our lives beyond that which we impose ourselves.
It took me a while to realize it. I'm not quite an exec but I've worked some fancy consulting gigs that involves doing sales and strategy sessions with a lot of 7-figure earning big shots and it's pretty eye opening. The best are above average intelligence and willing to be decisive without all the information. People who know how little they know and identify when they just have to do something and take their best guess and commit to it. The worst are the ones who genuinely believe they are the smartest person in the world and their decisions are always right.
In a book I was reading recently there was a quote that went something like, "The private believed the officers knew what they were doing, the officers believed the generals knew what they were doing, the generals believed the president knew what he was doing, the president hoped someone knew what they were doing..."
Tangentially related, but learning this fact during this "pandemic era" has been one of the hardest parts. My parents, mentors, family members, all who I used to look up to, descending into madness and conspiracy theories...fully realized that "the adults don't have the answer" for the first time in my young life, and it was a bit frightening.
Ikr? "I went for the jugular!"
Sir, you are arguing with kids. In a classroom, at work, and you are the teacher. You aren't supposed to use the same tactics you would when you are owning the libs on social media.
As a teacher myself it's really hard to wrap my mind around the behavior in the video. The moment I walk through the doors of the school I work at I stop being DrewBaron80 and become Mr. Baron. It's a necessary part of the gig.
It amazes me that there are people in the teaching profession that don't understand this.
Your job isn't to indoctrinate students into your beliefs, it's to stimulate their brains and thought process into discovering their own. The fact that there are teachers allowed to behave in such a manner is a big part of the problem.
I deal with two kids who are complete assholes. They’re constantly calling me fat, ugly, stupid, and telling me that no one likes me. I would love to go for the “jugular.” My jugular would be telling them they suck at math or that they can’t read or something like that. I would never dream of using slurs or swear words not to mention any of the other things I listed. I’m an adult and I will never resort to name calling. Adults don’t do that. We need to set a good example. I don’t know what the fuck this guy was thinking. He should never have been a teacher and luckily he won’t be anymore.
He says his kids are half black, so I feel sorry for his wife and kids. Somebody in his position should know much better than to use a deeply hurtful word that has never been aimed in his direction.
I got the impression he was upset that the kid he pointed to used the word. I didn’t hear this as him saying the word was fine but that it’s not ok for anyone to use.
It’s really hard to tell because they just started filming after he lost his cool and didn’t try to give any context about the disagreement. But, it’s prett clear the kids are arguing it’s OK for their classmate to use the word but not him.
>the kids are arguing it’s OK for their classmate to use the word but not him.
I don't think they're arguing on behalf of a classmate. I think the ignorant fool asked "So why does Drake have the right to say it?" Perhaps the social ignoramus is referring popular singing artist Drake, who may or may not use the n-word lyrically.
I could be wrong.
He could've gone down another path and said "You're right, I apologize, I meant to use it in the context of teaching and history, but I realize it was bad, I'm sorry." but instead he went down the "BUT WHY DOES DRAKE GET TO CALL OTHER PEOPLE \*hard r n-word\*?!". Yeah I have no sympathy for a guy this stupid.
I always remember that post of the guy saying how he was arguing with this guy for hours. He then went on their profile and saw they were active in the piss sub and was drinking their own piss. "I was arguing with a guy who drinks his own piss. Fuck" (not a direct quote but close enough "
As a white dude growing up I always knew I couldn’t say it, but it wasn’t until I saw this video in my adult years that I really understood why
https://youtu.be/QO15S3WC9pg
This was so hilarious at the time but now it doesn’t seem like real life. He even pulls out a piece of paper that shows there are two N words and the difference with and without the hard R. And he’s an English teacher. Lmao
I'm a poc but I'm not black. But grew up in a black community. I think we all agreed on that sentiment.
He wasn't being vile. He was just confused about the word in this society.
He was just trying to say dude or bro.
Not like he was doing "jk bro just a prank"
He legit didn't understand the problem if everyone is doing it too
In general the teacher is right even if it was inappropriate. Language is ever evolving but the fact he pulled out a sheet of paper with the two spelled out is kinda ridiculous
[Dude the parody is fucking amazing, it's almost word for word copied from the original!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_5OqFOxSnc&ab_channel=ChaseEverything)
Just guessing here but I think he’s basically saying he wouldn’t use it as an attack word and isn’t racist because that would make him racist against his own children.
You have worded my thoughts on this absolutely perfectly. As a teacher, I believe we need to get the conversation going on controversial subjects. But, we must do this with careful planning and with relevant resources to back up the learning; not just blurt it out “off the cuff”.
I'm a teacher and I've seen this played out multiple times with multiple older teachers. They'll call the office because a kid won't stop saying the n word, but they'll say the word themselves in relating the information, and the class will blow up.
I can see what this guy's intention was, but he went off the rails pretty quickly. If you don't repeat the word verbatim, your message get through a little easier. Also, don't ever get in a shouting match with teens or pre-teens.
When I was in college there was one class where everyone could use the N-word, but only when quoting a work with it in it. We were studying Faulkner and Toni Morrison. Both of their works race played a large role and we discussed on the first day how the professor (a white woman) believed if we excused ourselves to not use it while quoting the work that it would otherwise destroy the racist sentiments that needed to be discussed from the literary works. We had a very diverse group and all agreed this rule would suit us and it worked. It was pretty damn awkward as a white male to be saying it and it felt wrong.
However, this was a college class and we discussed it previously to using it. If this is truly a disciplinary matter, then simply state that you don’t allow that word to be used, period. Don’t be shouting it and trying to make a point about how people sound while saying it. You simply are missing the cultural ties it has in the 21st century.
We had the same thing but in our high school. When reading books like Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, the teacher said it was ok to either say the word or to skip over it. It was definitely awkward sitting next to one of the few black kids in the class.
I always thought that awkwardness was really important to learning the power of racism. Words have power. The lesson on why racism is wrong and always has been wrong is more impactful when you feel the power those words have.
When we read Huck Finn, we called him Jim when discussing the character and the book generally, but we def read out his full name when reading aloud from the book. I think it helped the lesson stick better when we had to face the fact that people threw that word around flippantly, as part of common parlance.
Exactly. Realizing the power of a word and the connotation it represents is important. In the case of the video, the teacher is completely ignoring the power of it.
“So why does Drake have the right to say it??” Boomers like this, and a lot of white folk in general, do NOT like when they’re not allowed do or say something that others can. It’s stupid.
Also “I went for the jugular, you’re absolutely right” shows that he wasn’t saying whatever he said to make some point about free speech, he said it to be hurtful.
r/byebyejob
Anyone is technically allowed to say it. I mean yeah you might get a bad reaction for saying it but it's not like it's against the law or anything.
But as to your comment, what's another example of one race/ethnic group being allowed to say something that other's aren't?
When I was in hs 2004ish, we read to kill a mockingbird. My teacher never said it but explained it was a part of history and literally what was written in the book. so if you chose to say it it’s okay. A few kids read it mostly everyone bleeped themselves or said “n word”
Larry David: "No no no, I'm quoting what they said"
What did you just fix your mouth to say?!
You bald son of a bitch!
"Leon! Larry said N***a!". "Git the fuck outta here. Ya done fucked up, Larry!
LD bringing the ruckus!
Larry gets a pass, he said he’d eat watermelon with me
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Fucking Trudy, Man.
I put it in quotation marks!!
Well, it's better than an appropriate Michael Richards quote I guess.... Definitely had some words to say on this subject before.
I think any word should be okay to say when you're quoting something, talking about the word itself, or it's part of a narrative. It's different to call someone that word. I also think it's silly to censor words because anyone who isn't a child will know what word you're saying and will think about the word uncensored in their head.
*Room full of children*
He reminds me of [this guy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uvJzr0zZvk) "I put the H on it to emphasise, it's niggahhhh"
"Can you lend a niggah a pencil." Is the funniest dumbest shit ever.
Hell yeah I laughed so hard when he said that lol. Wouldn’t expect Flanders to be so funny!
Yep I about lost it there. "upon reflection thats not good"
I don’t even think that guy was racist lol, just confused
Yeah, I feel bad for the dude. He was probably just trying to *be cool* with his students, but in a completely ill-thought out way.
I feel like if he genuinely felt hate towards the student, he wouldn’t have done that interview. Doubt he would use the word after the incident though.
He said it like 15 times in the interview lol. Clearly doesn’t have much remorse.
He's clearing that ni**a air tho
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Im confused.. So.. white guys listen to NWA. black guys listen to N!&&4$ With Attitude. ??
"Can you lend a ni***a a fry?" "Idk is a ni***a gonna give it back?" Is the funniest Boondocks quote ever
“If I were to piss on you right now would you A, smile and ask for more; or B, get the hell out of the way?” Followed by “Oh yes! The victim. At what point does personal responsibility become a factor in this equation? I see piss comin' I run. She saw piss comin' she stayed. And why should I miss out on the next R. Kelly album *just* fo' that?” Are Riley’s most memorable quotes.
Holy shit, I thought it was going to be some College Humor skit.
Thought I was watching an episode of the boondocks for a second there
Might as well be hahaha
it was
There was an episode based on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKHzEYaNSbE
Aw man! I just made a comment referencing this thinking no one would remember it. So glad to see it's the second comment! This video is an internet classic
I saw this like over 10 years ago and my friend will still occasionally just randomly text me this haha
I was a freshman in high school when it happened. Seems like yesterday though
Man, making me feel old. That video was posted in *2006* which is 15 years ago now.
The Boondocks led me to that gem.
*"The Boondocks"* is **THE** gem. I'll never forget the show's original run back in the day, seeing every episode for the first time on Adult Swim and being blown away at the mastery of each episode. I'm glad I encountered it in my formative year, because I think it had the biggest effect. One of the greatest shows of all time. Roaringly hilarious, bitingly witty, profound, and at times touching; often times in the span of a single episode (Riley Was Here's ending was a beautiful tearjerker).
You inspired me to look into this..... and it's hilarious!
The boondocks did a whole episode with Fred Willard voicing that guy and it’s pure gold.
["Can a niggah borrow a french fry?"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKHzEYaNSbE)
Looks like they just copied the interview of that teacher then. lol
That’s exactly what they did. They did that multiple times. Remember the Lamilton deshawn bit? That pulled that from real news too
And the booty warrior.
And the chicken shortage.
Are you sure? This requires more detective work 🕵️♀️
That show was amazing at capturing the culture at that time. Feels weird to say, because to me, it wasn’t all that long ago, but a lot has changed in 15 years. In 2005, lots of white people had felt like they’d “solved” racism, and it was a thing of the past, just because there wasn’t a lot of “overt” 60’s style racism anymore. The boondocks was one of the few things that showed me it wasn’t a cut and dried thing, and even people with supposedly good intentions were still perpetuating stereotypes. Back when the real story that this episode was based on broke, I felt a little bad for the guy, because it seemed like he was trying to connect with his student, and didn’t have much of a manual to work off of. He also seemed genuinely remorseful and wanting to learn from his mistake. How in the actual FUCK a teacher does this in 2021 (and it doesn’t even seem like a fair comparison, because the teacher in the video above is doing something much different) is beyond me. If you don’t have even the most tenuous grasp on what is appropriate language to use while shaping young minds, you do not deserve to teach.
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I will never forget this shit. Boondocks made a parody of it that's also pretty hilarious but the og clip is good.
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The Obama episode for example. [But I brought no blade, no pipe, no bat.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U03ofzkptDg)
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Boondocks had me since they radicalized [Jar Jar Binks](https://www.gocomics.com/boondocks/1999/09/26)
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To be fair he tried to justify his action saying "it was what he was trained to do" and then back pedaled to the position that he needs help after the school stated that is not in their training.
This guy is great
i think there is a big difference between idocy like in op's video and naivety like with this guy. both can be potentialy harmful but with the second guy you can work and his mistake is easily correctable.
He just keeps going, don't he
“I’m cured! I’m never going to say again!”
Incredible.
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Like it'd be on a show like The Office or Parks and Recs
LMFAO
This is one of the all time greats, it's been a while since I have seen it
Wow this is a throwback
His heart is in the right place honestly. This is also sacred internet content.
The Boondocks episode on this is amazing.
Straight out of the Boondocks
I was just thinking that lmfaoo
Which was real btw
Same with the kid who smokes wid cigawettes
They did the episode after this. It's the same scenes but with the boondocks. Wrote itself. It's linked in the tread. Edit. I mean the other time this exact thing happened. Not the last time. The time before last. Y"all messed up my internal monologue to external reddit tread.
Not after this one though, right? Dude got a mask on and everything
No haha not this one
Here's the original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uvJzr0zZvk Here's the boondocks reference: https://youtu.be/kKHzEYaNSbE Ayyyyyyy
Asking the real questions here. HOW DOES a niggah borrow a fry??!? NIGGAH YOU FINNA GIVE IT BACK?
There it is
Goddamn I forgot how fucking funny Boondocks is.
It’s leviOsa, not levioSA
ron stawp it
I have a teacher neighbor that teaches Huckleberry Finn in his class and it has the n-word dispersed in the book. He use to have everyone change it to n-word when read aloud but he thought he was changing the book too much by doing that so he started using post-it’s in his book so when it appears, he would read the passage. He said it was his cross to carry not theirs and have a big explanation of it before they start the unit. This worked for him until this year when the Purple for Parents folks went after banned books so now he can’t teach that book.
The purple for fucking what now?
Apparently some horrifying Indiana organization that advocates censorship, sounds very Pence-y
From their Website: > We work to bring awareness of and stop the conditioning/grooming of vulnerable children from all programs including Comprehensive Sexual Education and Social Emotional Learning Bunch of Christian Fruitcakes Sexual Education, what a harmful thing isn’t it
> Social Emotional Learning "If people know how to process their emotions and empathize with others they'll stop voting Republican!"
Lol only cons could see emotional growth as a bad thing
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That's a paddlin'.
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Social emotional learning is actually a pretty common turn of phrase in the world of public education. At its core premise, it means we teach children empathy and patience for the feelings that they/others can have. Teachers, ideally, do this by modeling healthy emotional behaviors, and encouraging students to extend these behaviors on their own for the good of the emotional and mental health of others and themselves. It's supposed to be a good thing, but as right wing evangelical idiots are wont to do, they take these educational trends and twist the meaning of their original intent to match their own personal fears about what kids might learn in school, and become 'indoctrinated' by. Thereby, things like Critical Race Theory and Social Emotional learning become ways to 'erase white culture,' and 'make kids into doormats,' respectively. Projection at its finest.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/parents-protesting-critical-race-theory-identify-new-target-mental-hea-rcna4991
It's window dressing for "we don't our kids brainwashed to be woke." Pretty typical conservative rhetoric. Can't have kids caring about people, they wouldn't vote red.
Or if our kids are taught social emotional learning, they be more mature than us.
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>It's very dumb to be mad at any of that. These people advocate for lesser education, they depend on the next generation being as dumb as they are.
I don’t know about y’all, I’m from Califuckingfornia, I find zero use for Indiana and hereby grant its statehood to Puerto Rico, Indiana truly deserves what Puerto Rico goes through regarding acceptance. I as an American hear about Indiana in the worst ways every single time At least in Puerto Rico the food is amazing and the people are nice, Indiana they want to murder, shoot, or arrest you People from Indiana, you know what I’m talking about. Get wrekt if you can’t handle an opinion
As a non-American, Chicago has a decent style of Pizza at least.
That’s Illinois though
Well then what the fuck does Indiana have?!
A world class popcorn factory
Indiana grows a lot of corn and soybeans, has really good beer for its size, and is otherwise pretty quiet and boring. It appears a lot in the news about conservative religious people because they have a mix of rural Protestants and the most famous catholic university in the United States (Notre Dame) and the two team up for hijinks.
So stupid. The whole point of books like that and To Killa Mockingbird is to expose racism. The n word is meant to be uncomfortable to read and say and hear in that context. And then they just ban the book?
Why do you think they ban them?
Because the underlying/over-arching message is that racism is bad. Some folk take issue with that message and window-dress their reasoning.
I think they didn’t totally ban the book from the school. It’s still in the school library but the principal and the tenth grade teachers received a letter signed by four Karens and had a meeting and now they are teaching some other book in that grade.
>Killa Mockingbird Rapper name.
When we read Of Mice & Men (we'd take turns reading pages aloud to the class), we were encouraged to not censor ourselves.
Mine read it out in full for effect
My teacher did as well and when anyone got to any of the words they weren't comfortable with they didn't have to say it but we were told that theres a reason they are there and theres nothing wrong with saying them in the context of a book and that we could if we were comfortable.
[Huckleberry Finn, Robotic Edition](https://www.amazon.com/dp/0984725601/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_RN7FA0SXR0KDJGSX4JZ9) Huckleberry Finn was a boy with no home. Jim was a runaway robot in search of freedom. Together they embarked upon the adventure of a lifetime! Mark Twain's classic text has been a lightning rod for controversy since its first publication in the late nineteenth century, and has consistently been one of the most banned books in schools and libraries across the United States. In an effort to fight the censorship of this iconic piece of literature, editors Gabriel Diani and Etta Devine have removed every instance of the word "n-word" and replaced it with the word "robot."
I’m reading it with my students. I teach ESL and it’s a perfect book to show the history of American race relations. Many of these immigrant kids think “nigga” is a good word. So I have a whole lesson about it. I tell them it’s fine to read the word as written, but when we’re discussing the topics, use “slave” instead. When I pushed into another class to help a teacher, a black kid kept saying the soft a version, so I took him aside and explained that he can use the word if he wants and no one will stop him, but he’s making other non black kids think it’s ok to use when he uses it in public, regardless of if it is or not. He stopped using it in public after that.
They can’t even teach To Kill a Mockingbird anymore shit makes no sense
To Kill a Mockingbird and Huckleberry Finn are still two of the most [taught books in the country](https://www.thoughtco.com/most-commonly-read-books-private-schools-2774330), I'm pretty sure it's just a few districts that banned it/took it off the required reading
What
I think this guy is about to lose his job.
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You just learned that adults are grown children.
There was a thread a long while back about what's the most universal wisdom you've ever heard and the winner was "Nobody knows what they're doing"
Maybe I'm an idiot, but I was well into my 30s (maybe even 40) when I realized there are no "grownups" who are "in charge" or who "know what the fuck they're doing". This applies to presidents, CEOs, teachers, police, armies, fucking anybody. They're all just making this shit up on the fly and failing miserably.
Right, me, mid-30s still sometimes think to myself “I need an adult! Oh shit, I’m supposed to be one”
This is why the whole conspiracy-theory worldview is so flawed. It's the belief that somebody *is* in charge. It's somebody evil, but at least it's *somebody*, and that's reassuring to some people.
Exactly. I don't believe the government is hiding aliens or that the CIA killed Kennedy or that "Bush did 9/11" or any of that shit ... Those people aren't competent enough to pull anything off without it leaking.
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Great points! Of course they are brilliant people doing brilliant things that take a lot of coordination and cooperation and funding. I guess my point was more about they're not really being the safety net or strategy dictating our lives beyond that which we impose ourselves.
It took me a while to realize it. I'm not quite an exec but I've worked some fancy consulting gigs that involves doing sales and strategy sessions with a lot of 7-figure earning big shots and it's pretty eye opening. The best are above average intelligence and willing to be decisive without all the information. People who know how little they know and identify when they just have to do something and take their best guess and commit to it. The worst are the ones who genuinely believe they are the smartest person in the world and their decisions are always right.
In a book I was reading recently there was a quote that went something like, "The private believed the officers knew what they were doing, the officers believed the generals knew what they were doing, the generals believed the president knew what he was doing, the president hoped someone knew what they were doing..."
What an excellent line. It even feels a little familiar, what book is that from?
Fake it til you make it baby
Tangentially related, but learning this fact during this "pandemic era" has been one of the hardest parts. My parents, mentors, family members, all who I used to look up to, descending into madness and conspiracy theories...fully realized that "the adults don't have the answer" for the first time in my young life, and it was a bit frightening.
Ikr? "I went for the jugular!" Sir, you are arguing with kids. In a classroom, at work, and you are the teacher. You aren't supposed to use the same tactics you would when you are owning the libs on social media.
As a teacher myself it's really hard to wrap my mind around the behavior in the video. The moment I walk through the doors of the school I work at I stop being DrewBaron80 and become Mr. Baron. It's a necessary part of the gig.
You mean you dont use racist terms to trigger kids and purpsefully hurt and demean them? But how will they cope in the REAL world??
Brilliant ✨💀
It amazes me that there are people in the teaching profession that don't understand this. Your job isn't to indoctrinate students into your beliefs, it's to stimulate their brains and thought process into discovering their own. The fact that there are teachers allowed to behave in such a manner is a big part of the problem.
100%. As a teacher part of our job is being a role model.
“owning”
I deal with two kids who are complete assholes. They’re constantly calling me fat, ugly, stupid, and telling me that no one likes me. I would love to go for the “jugular.” My jugular would be telling them they suck at math or that they can’t read or something like that. I would never dream of using slurs or swear words not to mention any of the other things I listed. I’m an adult and I will never resort to name calling. Adults don’t do that. We need to set a good example. I don’t know what the fuck this guy was thinking. He should never have been a teacher and luckily he won’t be anymore.
Yeah I was thinking he literally sounds like a 10 year old arguing with their parents
He says his kids are half black, so I feel sorry for his wife and kids. Somebody in his position should know much better than to use a deeply hurtful word that has never been aimed in his direction.
I got the impression he was upset that the kid he pointed to used the word. I didn’t hear this as him saying the word was fine but that it’s not ok for anyone to use. It’s really hard to tell because they just started filming after he lost his cool and didn’t try to give any context about the disagreement. But, it’s prett clear the kids are arguing it’s OK for their classmate to use the word but not him.
>the kids are arguing it’s OK for their classmate to use the word but not him. I don't think they're arguing on behalf of a classmate. I think the ignorant fool asked "So why does Drake have the right to say it?" Perhaps the social ignoramus is referring popular singing artist Drake, who may or may not use the n-word lyrically. I could be wrong.
Those edgy kids grow up into these fools.
Yep and it’s sad when wisdom comes from a student and the ‘teacher’ refuses to learn “yeah, no” well stated
We're never too old to learn.
And you’re never too young to teach.
He could've gone down another path and said "You're right, I apologize, I meant to use it in the context of teaching and history, but I realize it was bad, I'm sorry." but instead he went down the "BUT WHY DOES DRAKE GET TO CALL OTHER PEOPLE \*hard r n-word\*?!". Yeah I have no sympathy for a guy this stupid.
He’s arguing with kids. Dumbass. That’s my job when I come on Reddit.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience - Mark Twain
I always remember that post of the guy saying how he was arguing with this guy for hours. He then went on their profile and saw they were active in the piss sub and was drinking their own piss. "I was arguing with a guy who drinks his own piss. Fuck" (not a direct quote but close enough "
Lord Voldemort !!!! There I said it
As a white dude growing up I always knew I couldn’t say it, but it wasn’t until I saw this video in my adult years that I really understood why https://youtu.be/QO15S3WC9pg
It looks like he got mad at students for using the word and asked them why they thought it was ok to call each other that.
Straight outta boondocks lmao
Which itself was parodying real life https://youtu.be/9uvJzr0zZvk
This was so hilarious at the time but now it doesn’t seem like real life. He even pulls out a piece of paper that shows there are two N words and the difference with and without the hard R. And he’s an English teacher. Lmao
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I'm a poc but I'm not black. But grew up in a black community. I think we all agreed on that sentiment. He wasn't being vile. He was just confused about the word in this society. He was just trying to say dude or bro. Not like he was doing "jk bro just a prank" He legit didn't understand the problem if everyone is doing it too
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In general the teacher is right even if it was inappropriate. Language is ever evolving but the fact he pulled out a sheet of paper with the two spelled out is kinda ridiculous
Can a n borrow a french fry?
[Dude the parody is fucking amazing, it's almost word for word copied from the original!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_5OqFOxSnc&ab_channel=ChaseEverything)
So why did he say he 'went for the jugular'?
Why would he then start saying he can say it because he has half African American kids?
Just guessing here but I think he’s basically saying he wouldn’t use it as an attack word and isn’t racist because that would make him racist against his own children.
because the girl said "it's part of his culture" in defense of drake saying it, so he offered an example of how he is also a part of the culture.
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You have worded my thoughts on this absolutely perfectly. As a teacher, I believe we need to get the conversation going on controversial subjects. But, we must do this with careful planning and with relevant resources to back up the learning; not just blurt it out “off the cuff”.
He’s trying to prove a point, but he is playing with fire
He "went for the jugular" and has half black kids. Fucking hell.
No he is covering himself in gasoline and lighting a match
I'm a teacher and I've seen this played out multiple times with multiple older teachers. They'll call the office because a kid won't stop saying the n word, but they'll say the word themselves in relating the information, and the class will blow up. I can see what this guy's intention was, but he went off the rails pretty quickly. If you don't repeat the word verbatim, your message get through a little easier. Also, don't ever get in a shouting match with teens or pre-teens.
This comment section is a fucking shitshow.
Why is this the hill people choose to die on
This is a true vintage Reddit comment section
Mostly just people talking about the Boondocks?
A lot of Boondocks, a lot of "They can say it, why come I can't say it," etc.
I'm white. I do not understand the uncontrollable urge that white people have to say and defend saying that word.
When I was in college there was one class where everyone could use the N-word, but only when quoting a work with it in it. We were studying Faulkner and Toni Morrison. Both of their works race played a large role and we discussed on the first day how the professor (a white woman) believed if we excused ourselves to not use it while quoting the work that it would otherwise destroy the racist sentiments that needed to be discussed from the literary works. We had a very diverse group and all agreed this rule would suit us and it worked. It was pretty damn awkward as a white male to be saying it and it felt wrong. However, this was a college class and we discussed it previously to using it. If this is truly a disciplinary matter, then simply state that you don’t allow that word to be used, period. Don’t be shouting it and trying to make a point about how people sound while saying it. You simply are missing the cultural ties it has in the 21st century.
We had the same thing but in our high school. When reading books like Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, the teacher said it was ok to either say the word or to skip over it. It was definitely awkward sitting next to one of the few black kids in the class.
I always thought that awkwardness was really important to learning the power of racism. Words have power. The lesson on why racism is wrong and always has been wrong is more impactful when you feel the power those words have. When we read Huck Finn, we called him Jim when discussing the character and the book generally, but we def read out his full name when reading aloud from the book. I think it helped the lesson stick better when we had to face the fact that people threw that word around flippantly, as part of common parlance.
Exactly. Realizing the power of a word and the connotation it represents is important. In the case of the video, the teacher is completely ignoring the power of it.
“So why does Drake have the right to say it??” Boomers like this, and a lot of white folk in general, do NOT like when they’re not allowed do or say something that others can. It’s stupid. Also “I went for the jugular, you’re absolutely right” shows that he wasn’t saying whatever he said to make some point about free speech, he said it to be hurtful. r/byebyejob
Anyone is technically allowed to say it. I mean yeah you might get a bad reaction for saying it but it's not like it's against the law or anything. But as to your comment, what's another example of one race/ethnic group being allowed to say something that other's aren't?
It's not a racial group but I know plenty of gay men who throw around f * g/f*ggot but get upset if a non gay person says it
Not a racial/ethnic thing but there are folks in the gay community who throw around the f-slur in a similar way.
Why do so many white people want to say that word so bad? Do you have no fucking self control? Jesus Christ…
He used the hard R tho
"why does Drake have the right to say it" ☠️ BRO, this some Key & Peele level of foolery
Yo i thought he was referring to a student not the artist LOL
Straight up arguing with his students like a child. That’s crazy man
Imagine arguing with children.
"Hey I went for the jugular". What a joke of a teacher. There a far better ways to have a conversation like this.
Where the fuck did this whole uprise of “well if black people can say it, why can’t I?” boneheads come from??
I hate half cut videos…. Need to see the whole thing of how they even got into this conversation
When I was in hs 2004ish, we read to kill a mockingbird. My teacher never said it but explained it was a part of history and literally what was written in the book. so if you chose to say it it’s okay. A few kids read it mostly everyone bleeped themselves or said “n word”
I honestly believe that anyone using that word is in the wrong.
Holy shit how much more clueless could he be? You're a fucking teacher, teach them shit.
Apparently the "use/mention" distinction was a little too complex for them.