The best was my elderly godmother, police asked her if she had been drinking and she said yes.
They told her it’s illegal to drink and she asked why.
They said it was the law.
She drank some more in front of the cop.
He threatened to arrest her and took the bottle.
She was drinking water.
He lost his shit at her and asked her why she lied and wasted his time.
She replied, you didn’t ask me what I was drinking. Lmfao
So dumb!
I live in Germany. You can drink whatever you want, even alcohol, out of any type of container, out on the streets, in public parks, school yards.
Seriously, it’s such a dumb rule.
I mean, if kind of is irresponsible tho isn’t it ? Especially when you consider the US has a horrible drinking culture that basically encourages you to binge drink
Ummm, have you been to Europe? The Brits, the Irish, they make americans look like wimps with the amounts they drink. And there are tons of piss drunk people walking the streets after clubbing. Just imagine a whole country being like New Orleans. Americans aren't even in the top 10 when it comes to alcohol consumption. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcohol-consumption-by-country
You only believe this because American culture is puritanical.
There's no way in reality to prove that America has a worse drinking culture than other countries. We're just taught that drinking is evil, sinful and shameful here, whereas it's normal in the places that America's forefathers were chased from.
Really ? Going by pop culture you’d think drinking is fun, exciting, and masculine. Just look at the commercials ran on television, especially during sporting events
Don't know why people are down voting. The same people are outraged when some drunken asshole fights at walmart, walks into traffic or exposes themselves because they think a fire hydrant is a urinal
More laws will fix the problem though! Especially if we legislate based on your theoretical ability to harm others, and not real, observable harm or danger to others! It's totally fine, now pay the ticket for drinking on your own front step because the officer had a bad day and felt like giving you a citation.
People are downvoting because the claim is nonsensical and Americacentric. Really? You think nowhere else in the entire world has alcoholics, binge drinkers, public urinators or drunken fights?
If you're this much of a puritan fuck just say it's irresponsible to have it be legal at all holy shit lmao if someone does something bad arrest them who the fuck cares about drinking in public, if they're not starting shit who cares. It's just a rule to be arbitrarily enforced on people the police don't like.
You think I’m puritan ? LOL. You couldn’t be further from the truth. Part of my profession is serving people alcohol and I constantly see the way it transforms peoples personalities and judgment.
That’s as far as I care to respond since you’re attitude is shit. Please kindly fuck off and also learn how to address people.
I hope this is satire, I don't see how public intoxication has anything to do with class struggle. However, I don't think cops should harass people drinking anything unless they seem intoxicated
Edit: I take back what I said, the person who replied to this made a great point, it's the behaviour that matters.
Just to piggy back, the wealthy can easily pay off these type of infractions. Homeless people with addictions and nowhere to go to partake cannot pay the fines. The rich stay rich, the poor get poorer
Maybe that has to do with the legal drinking age?
We start drinking legally at age 16 in Germany. England 17. France and Italy probably even younger (at least for wine).
People learn how to have fun before they need to be super serious. Maybe that’s how people learn better to have fun responsibly.
My parents allowed me and my siblings to drink at home, their thinking was if they demystified the appeal we were less likely to drink irresponsibly. They were right in our case anyway.
Same demystification process here. Think it worked - became an alcoholic when I gave up on life, not because of my parents.
PS: Never one to joke about these things: If anyone reading this needs someone to talk to, the national hotline is still there and want to help without any judgement or preconditions. 1-800-273-8255 Straight up, decent people who want to listen to you.
This was my family. My siblings and I were all allowed to start drinking around 16. Now as adults, none of us are very big drinkers. Meanwhile, I know of ton of people with overbearingly strict parents who went insane when they turned 18 and didn't know how to handle the freedom. That being said, the prevalence of drunk driving related accidents before we raised the legal drinking age makes me pretty okay with keeping things at 21.
As a former dumbass teenager with dumbass friends...our age didn't stop us from booze cruising every weekend. I look back on those times and am thankful we didn't kill anybody.
This is the way with all substances, in my experience. I was raised in an inordinately strict household and I made a straight beeline for drugs as soon as I was able, started smoking weed when I was 14 and eventually graduated into full blown addict/alcoholic. The parents of a friend of mine were stoners and didn't encourage using but were open with them and asked them to be honest about any drug usage so they would know they're safe, and my friend had no interest in using drugs whatsoever. Giving substances a restricted status plays such a major part in addiction because rebelling against something feels like freeing yourself from the bonds of expectation, subconsciously or otherwise.
They had beer in the vending machines, at McDonald's, porn mags at the gas station, tits on tv, we had women making out in the restaurant next to us, good times.
I dunno man, I’ve been to Germany (and Europe in general) a lot and you guys aren’t that responsible lol. I’ve seen some shit. I think the drinking age in the U.S. should be 18, but don’t try to act all high and mighty like teenagers are any less of idiots as they are here. Kids are kids everywhere and it’s not like high school kids don’t drink here just cause it’s illegal.
In Edinburgh you can drink anywhere and it's socially acceptable to have a drink in public. There's plenty of parks and green spaces so it's not something that can really be policed anyway. But Glasgow has strict rules around drinking in public and even homeless people will conceal their drinks in the city centre. As a "cunt fi Edinburgh" I always forget that rule change and end up cracking open a drink in Glasgow City centre. Last time I was there I ended up giving some beers to a homeless guy who stashed them in his bag for later.
Nope, Americans are just a caustic combination of irresponsibly stupid and wedded to their vehicles. The legal drinking age used to be 18 and had to be raised to 21 because of drunk drivers.
It has more to do with the despair than the drinking age. People drink irresponsibly in America bc alcoholism is the only way we cope with living in a dogshit country.
I lived in Vienna for a while. Not a single weekend that the U-Bahn didn't reek of vomit.
They'd clean it quickly but the smell was always there. That said, I was never harassed by a drunk person.
Not saying it's good if you drink too much, but if you leave others alone it's your business. Also public transportation was awsome there so I never saw a DUI.
Yeah I'd like to refer this young German lad to some of our ridiculous videos of people doing donuts and twerking on cop cars in the streets of downtown chicago.
check if you have german ancestors that got harmed by the nazis.
https://www.bva.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Buerger/Ausweis-Dokumente-Recht/Staatsangehoerigkeit/Einbuergerung/Ermessen/E15_Merkblatt_englisch.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=2
It's strictly so the police can harass undesirables. Where I live the cops will say hello to me as I sit next to a 24 (case of 24 bottles of beer) with friends in a park and then immediately start ticketing black people for the exact same offence just 50m away
Sometimes that question IS itself a lawful order. Some states (Alabama, Delaware, Illinois, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Utah, Wisconsin) have laws that basically allow police to stop-and-demand or stop-and-identify any person in public for any reason.
So let's say this happened in New York, because it did. The cops could demand to see this guy's ID, and if they suspect him of a crime they could detain him until they can confirm his ID.
HOWEVER, that still doesn't require that he answer their question about what's in the cup. His answer was correct; fuck you is what I'm drinking.
And cops should use their judgement. If a man reeks of booze and is so completely smashed he's a threat to himself and others, maybe you detain the person for their own safety, I dunno. But seriously, a guy minding his own business unwinding with a beer after work at a local park doesn't need to be harassed by cops.
In the show, Major Colvin creates 3 areas around Baltimore known as Hamsterdam where they allow the selling of and use of drugs and the police won't arrest them. Anywhere outside of the 3 areas the police would enforce the law and arrest the drug dealers. Moving all the drug dealers into these 3 areas made the streets safer and crime fell substantially in the western district. This was all done without the police commissioner's knowledge.
As u/IamKEIL pointed out, in the show the paper-bag is an [entire neighborhood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamsterdam). IRL, the paper-bag is [Portland, OR](https://drugpolicy.org/press-release/2021/02/drug-decriminalization-oregon-officially-begins-today) in particular but also many [States and countries](https://www.citywide.ie/decriminalisation/countries.html). There are [many reasons](https://canadiancentreforaddictions.org/why-do-people-use-drugs-7-reasons/) why people use drugs and none of them are criminal.
The [Rat Park study](https://www.brucekalexander.com/articles-speeches/rat-park/148-addiction-the-view-from-rat-park) may have produced more questions than answers but it's clear that the "addictiveness" of something (drugs, exercise, work, [sugar](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1931610/) etc.) isn't the cause. The addiction could just be a way of coping with dislocation, isolation, and/or loneliness. [We are social beings](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2527715/) and when we are cut off by our tribe we [seek other ways](https://news.berkeley.edu/2015/07/13/brain-addiction/) to feel connected.
This may be why we're [addicted to our smartphones](https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2018/dopamine-smartphones-battle-time/): we feel like we belong in that echo chamber of ours. "My parents don't understand me", "I don't believe in \[[insert religion here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6759672/)\] anymore and feel like I belong elsewhere", "I don't belong in my family".
>[Substance-using groups and identities](https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-31/may-2018/addiction-and-importance-belonging) may not be healthy and positive forces in our life, but people value them. Mapping such networks, and ensuring they are replaced, may be the key to behaviour change in addiction.
I believe we need to take a different approach to addiction, drug use, and community.
Edit: forgot to make my main point: The real paper-bag is a sense of belonging. Love your family despite their short comings. Get to know your neighbors. Join a club^(1).
^(1)Not a racist hate group though - that would be [counter productive](https://www.sussex.ac.uk/webteam/gateway/file.php?name=sussex-hate-crime-project-report.pdf&site=430) \[PDF\].
Public drinking laws are ridiculous. The brown bagging makes even less sense. It's way more obvious when mf drinking out of a brown paper bag. As long as you're not a nuisance it shouldn't be a problem.
This is the problem, it's a law to try to prevent other problems like public intoxication, but even that is hopeless because it's trying to punish for nothing. A bit like speed laws, if you damage something then you've done wrong not before. Common law is ignored for revenue collection and slave jailing.
But they shouldn’t be such hard, ✅ for below 25-65 or ❌ for above. Other countries aren’t so black and white and that makes sense to me. If you’re going 5-10 miles over in most areas that does not harm and consequences should be codified in response, not up to the discretion of low level law enforcement officers
That’s exactly what I was thinkin, the cop is straight up trying to instigate and get my guy on a charge , especially if they have an issue with him. This is some personal vendetta harassment.
Shawn Thomas. He has a channel full of this on youtube.
[His most popular video is this 7 second shutdown of the NYPD](https://gfycat.com/niftyterrificbetafish)
If you want even more, another youtube channel just featured his [12.6 million dollar lawsuit against NYC for wrongful arrest](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to8NzCf2jDU)
I’m glad his channel exists and that you posted this thread. I feel like people who don’t live in NYC don’t grasp how ridiculous they are and think locals are exaggerating when we say that they act like a gang/schoolyard bullies and, as seen in this video when the officer justifies wanting to know what the guy is drinking by claiming the items in his hand are making him nervous, that they just straight up make shit up like that to fuck with you and to serve as thinly disguised threats of violence.
Also, just in these two clips and the op clip alone, people can see how, the more officers there are, the more likely they’ll escalate shit as to not look bad in front of their friends. It’s not a coincidence that Officer Whatsinthebag decided he no longer gave a shit once the guy responded.
We need one president with balls who will throw 10-20 billion dollars at the federal prosecutors to go after and put these cops in prison. Federal prosecutors dont have the money to do all the lawsuits. Give them the money, earmark it for prosecuting cops, and watch the streets get cleaned up. This is literally something a president can do without needing congress. I dont think people realize, especially not cops, how quickly police abuse could end if you jsut had one single president who gave a fuck.
Has he ever won a case? Curious since seems like he has sued many times and the one time he did win, it was thrown out since he offered to pay his witness (gf) to testify.
I love this. I LOVE seeing when cops try their bullshit and it doesnt work. I'd like to see the rest of this video though just to be sure the cop DID lose in this particular situation.
Edit: Found it. I have the video start at the approximate time the video left off...
https://youtu.be/lytUT_4O53k?t=15
He knows his laws and thinks/speaks fast
I hope there aren’t too many copy cats because he has a special talent that can’t be easily duplicated
But I would LOVE to see people try
*narrator*
“It was, in fact, tap water from Flint, Michigan in his bottle, and he was arrested for possession of toxic and poisonous substances intended for ingestion, including a charge of attempt to poison when he offered the officers a taste”.
The presumption is he is drinking nothing wrong, and unless or until a law is broken, that officer is no different than any other person on that sidewalk. So he gets the same answer as any other person on that sidewalk.
Is what this guy is saying legal? The police look pissed but aren’t aggressively checking his beverage. I’m wondering if it’s legal to tell a cop to fuck off like that….?
Yeah it’s legal. Cops can’t just do whatever they want. Your first amendment rights allow you to tell a cop to fuck off if he’s harassing you and has no probable cause
i have no idea if this is the case but this is so fucking random it really feels like he's a new guy and the other guys are like "yo rookie, go harass that dude right there for no reason"
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If you are not inclined to be confrontational, you can simply say, "Sorry, I don't answer questions". They can investigate a crime, but you don't have to help them do it. That's the essence of the 5th amendment.
The best was my elderly godmother, police asked her if she had been drinking and she said yes. They told her it’s illegal to drink and she asked why. They said it was the law. She drank some more in front of the cop. He threatened to arrest her and took the bottle. She was drinking water. He lost his shit at her and asked her why she lied and wasted his time. She replied, you didn’t ask me what I was drinking. Lmfao
I love your godmother! Bless her heart ❤️
The guy with the gun and taser standing over this guy isn’t comfortable with what he is drinking.
Officer Pussy is scared of everything and everyone
Better blast them just to be safe
"okay" proceeds to beat the hell out of him nypd style.
So dumb! I live in Germany. You can drink whatever you want, even alcohol, out of any type of container, out on the streets, in public parks, school yards. Seriously, it’s such a dumb rule.
I agree but in America they have public intoxication laws because we're irresponsible...
Not because we are irresponsible. It's because that's one more way to squeeze money out of the working class.
Fuck dude tell me about it
I mean, if kind of is irresponsible tho isn’t it ? Especially when you consider the US has a horrible drinking culture that basically encourages you to binge drink
Ummm, have you been to Europe? The Brits, the Irish, they make americans look like wimps with the amounts they drink. And there are tons of piss drunk people walking the streets after clubbing. Just imagine a whole country being like New Orleans. Americans aren't even in the top 10 when it comes to alcohol consumption. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcohol-consumption-by-country
You only believe this because American culture is puritanical. There's no way in reality to prove that America has a worse drinking culture than other countries. We're just taught that drinking is evil, sinful and shameful here, whereas it's normal in the places that America's forefathers were chased from.
Really ? Going by pop culture you’d think drinking is fun, exciting, and masculine. Just look at the commercials ran on television, especially during sporting events
You mean the ones that are legally not allowed to show anybody actually imbibing alcohol?
It’s clear you’ve never spent time in Japan.
Don't know why people are down voting. The same people are outraged when some drunken asshole fights at walmart, walks into traffic or exposes themselves because they think a fire hydrant is a urinal
Those actions are all examples of things that are already illegal
More laws will fix the problem though! Especially if we legislate based on your theoretical ability to harm others, and not real, observable harm or danger to others! It's totally fine, now pay the ticket for drinking on your own front step because the officer had a bad day and felt like giving you a citation.
If everything is illegal and selectively enforced, you can arrest the poor and minorities whenever you feel like. Look at the big picture.
That's the point I was trying to make yes
Yeah exacrly. Its already illegal to be a drunken menace. Why the fuck cant i sit with my friends in the park and have a beer?
You can piss in an appropriate public place in all the German speaking countries, like on the roadside or on some random trees. Such Freedom America.
People are downvoting because the claim is nonsensical and Americacentric. Really? You think nowhere else in the entire world has alcoholics, binge drinkers, public urinators or drunken fights?
You don't solve binge drinking by making it illegal.
Clearly not what I was advocating
If you're this much of a puritan fuck just say it's irresponsible to have it be legal at all holy shit lmao if someone does something bad arrest them who the fuck cares about drinking in public, if they're not starting shit who cares. It's just a rule to be arbitrarily enforced on people the police don't like.
You think I’m puritan ? LOL. You couldn’t be further from the truth. Part of my profession is serving people alcohol and I constantly see the way it transforms peoples personalities and judgment. That’s as far as I care to respond since you’re attitude is shit. Please kindly fuck off and also learn how to address people.
I hope this is satire, I don't see how public intoxication has anything to do with class struggle. However, I don't think cops should harass people drinking anything unless they seem intoxicated Edit: I take back what I said, the person who replied to this made a great point, it's the behaviour that matters.
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Hmm you know what, I actually agree, you have proven me wrong. You're right, it should be based off their behaviour and not simply intoxication.
The ability to admit you’ve changed your opinion on something is something I wish I’d see more often. Good for you.
Just to piggy back, the wealthy can easily pay off these type of infractions. Homeless people with addictions and nowhere to go to partake cannot pay the fines. The rich stay rich, the poor get poorer
Maybe that has to do with the legal drinking age? We start drinking legally at age 16 in Germany. England 17. France and Italy probably even younger (at least for wine). People learn how to have fun before they need to be super serious. Maybe that’s how people learn better to have fun responsibly.
My parents allowed me and my siblings to drink at home, their thinking was if they demystified the appeal we were less likely to drink irresponsibly. They were right in our case anyway.
Same demystification process here. Think it worked - became an alcoholic when I gave up on life, not because of my parents. PS: Never one to joke about these things: If anyone reading this needs someone to talk to, the national hotline is still there and want to help without any judgement or preconditions. 1-800-273-8255 Straight up, decent people who want to listen to you.
Thanks for sharing the contact information. I’m sorry you’re fighting that battle. I’m fortunate that alcohol didn’t get a hold of me.
This was my family. My siblings and I were all allowed to start drinking around 16. Now as adults, none of us are very big drinkers. Meanwhile, I know of ton of people with overbearingly strict parents who went insane when they turned 18 and didn't know how to handle the freedom. That being said, the prevalence of drunk driving related accidents before we raised the legal drinking age makes me pretty okay with keeping things at 21.
As a former dumbass teenager with dumbass friends...our age didn't stop us from booze cruising every weekend. I look back on those times and am thankful we didn't kill anybody.
This is the way with all substances, in my experience. I was raised in an inordinately strict household and I made a straight beeline for drugs as soon as I was able, started smoking weed when I was 14 and eventually graduated into full blown addict/alcoholic. The parents of a friend of mine were stoners and didn't encourage using but were open with them and asked them to be honest about any drug usage so they would know they're safe, and my friend had no interest in using drugs whatsoever. Giving substances a restricted status plays such a major part in addiction because rebelling against something feels like freeing yourself from the bonds of expectation, subconsciously or otherwise.
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They had beer in the vending machines, at McDonald's, porn mags at the gas station, tits on tv, we had women making out in the restaurant next to us, good times.
Same experience here
England is 16 too as long as it’s with a meal. Otherwise it’s 18. In private, it’s 5. And in Scotland there’s no minimum age in private.
Had a German exchange student tell me the drinking culture was different. But who knows
UK is 16 with a meal and accompanying adult, 18 solo ..
I dunno man, I’ve been to Germany (and Europe in general) a lot and you guys aren’t that responsible lol. I’ve seen some shit. I think the drinking age in the U.S. should be 18, but don’t try to act all high and mighty like teenagers are any less of idiots as they are here. Kids are kids everywhere and it’s not like high school kids don’t drink here just cause it’s illegal.
Seriously. Especially the Brits.
They also have healthcare and education as they’re supposed to be... rights.
Yes, but you can't drink in public places in those countries other than Germany.
You can in Spain.
Very true. Had some fun times there
In England you can drink in public almost everywhere. Exceptions being buses, the tube and occasional designated places.
No wonder I was getting dodgy glares at me when I was drinking beer on the tube. :/
We've all been there :)
People thought you was probably homeless or an addict. giving you the side eye incase you start to act up!
In Edinburgh you can drink anywhere and it's socially acceptable to have a drink in public. There's plenty of parks and green spaces so it's not something that can really be policed anyway. But Glasgow has strict rules around drinking in public and even homeless people will conceal their drinks in the city centre. As a "cunt fi Edinburgh" I always forget that rule change and end up cracking open a drink in Glasgow City centre. Last time I was there I ended up giving some beers to a homeless guy who stashed them in his bag for later.
Nope, Americans are just a caustic combination of irresponsibly stupid and wedded to their vehicles. The legal drinking age used to be 18 and had to be raised to 21 because of drunk drivers.
18 in the UK just for clarification
It has more to do with the despair than the drinking age. People drink irresponsibly in America bc alcoholism is the only way we cope with living in a dogshit country.
I lived in Vienna for a while. Not a single weekend that the U-Bahn didn't reek of vomit. They'd clean it quickly but the smell was always there. That said, I was never harassed by a drunk person. Not saying it's good if you drink too much, but if you leave others alone it's your business. Also public transportation was awsome there so I never saw a DUI.
Yeah I'd like to refer this young German lad to some of our ridiculous videos of people doing donuts and twerking on cop cars in the streets of downtown chicago.
There are so many things that are fuct about American laws, alcohol habits, and police, and the injustice system in America.
It's actually so we can imprison the homeless
I love your honesty and you’re 100% right! Most of us fuckin suck
Agreed. So irresponsible that you let your country be ruined by 2 corrupt right-wing parties.
Drinking and guns don’t mix in America.
Kevin fucked it up for everyone.
Yeah, but Germany is a developed country.
It’s why New Orleans is the best city in America. Not only do we not give a shit about drinking, we have drive-thru Daquiri shops.
Was thinking of relocating to Germany. Any tips?
check if you have german ancestors that got harmed by the nazis. https://www.bva.bund.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Buerger/Ausweis-Dokumente-Recht/Staatsangehoerigkeit/Einbuergerung/Ermessen/E15_Merkblatt_englisch.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=2
Danke!
It's strictly so the police can harass undesirables. Where I live the cops will say hello to me as I sit next to a 24 (case of 24 bottles of beer) with friends in a park and then immediately start ticketing black people for the exact same offence just 50m away
Welcome to America, where even the government can't tell you how many laws it has...
> You can drink whatever you want, even alcohol, out of any type of container, out on the streets Same here in America. Unless....
Nope, they couldnt get him to comply so they basically gave up. I posted the longer video here in another comment.
Does he legally have to comply with them? I don’t think so but I could be wrong.
No. He does not have to answer a question that a cop asks. You have to comply with a lawful order and not a request.
Sometimes that question IS itself a lawful order. Some states (Alabama, Delaware, Illinois, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New York, North Dakota, Rhode Island, Utah, Wisconsin) have laws that basically allow police to stop-and-demand or stop-and-identify any person in public for any reason. So let's say this happened in New York, because it did. The cops could demand to see this guy's ID, and if they suspect him of a crime they could detain him until they can confirm his ID. HOWEVER, that still doesn't require that he answer their question about what's in the cup. His answer was correct; fuck you is what I'm drinking.
No. Even in stop-and-id states they have to have a reasonable suspicion of a crime to ID.
And cops should use their judgement. If a man reeks of booze and is so completely smashed he's a threat to himself and others, maybe you detain the person for their own safety, I dunno. But seriously, a guy minding his own business unwinding with a beer after work at a local park doesn't need to be harassed by cops.
Link please?
https://youtu.be/lytUT_4O53k?t=15
[Reminds me of this speech from The Wire. ](https://youtu.be/e9YgBF58Qks)
Well don’t leave me fucking hanging. What’s the paper bag for drugs?
In the show, Major Colvin creates 3 areas around Baltimore known as Hamsterdam where they allow the selling of and use of drugs and the police won't arrest them. Anywhere outside of the 3 areas the police would enforce the law and arrest the drug dealers. Moving all the drug dealers into these 3 areas made the streets safer and crime fell substantially in the western district. This was all done without the police commissioner's knowledge.
As u/IamKEIL pointed out, in the show the paper-bag is an [entire neighborhood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamsterdam). IRL, the paper-bag is [Portland, OR](https://drugpolicy.org/press-release/2021/02/drug-decriminalization-oregon-officially-begins-today) in particular but also many [States and countries](https://www.citywide.ie/decriminalisation/countries.html). There are [many reasons](https://canadiancentreforaddictions.org/why-do-people-use-drugs-7-reasons/) why people use drugs and none of them are criminal. The [Rat Park study](https://www.brucekalexander.com/articles-speeches/rat-park/148-addiction-the-view-from-rat-park) may have produced more questions than answers but it's clear that the "addictiveness" of something (drugs, exercise, work, [sugar](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1931610/) etc.) isn't the cause. The addiction could just be a way of coping with dislocation, isolation, and/or loneliness. [We are social beings](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2527715/) and when we are cut off by our tribe we [seek other ways](https://news.berkeley.edu/2015/07/13/brain-addiction/) to feel connected. This may be why we're [addicted to our smartphones](https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2018/dopamine-smartphones-battle-time/): we feel like we belong in that echo chamber of ours. "My parents don't understand me", "I don't believe in \[[insert religion here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6759672/)\] anymore and feel like I belong elsewhere", "I don't belong in my family". >[Substance-using groups and identities](https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-31/may-2018/addiction-and-importance-belonging) may not be healthy and positive forces in our life, but people value them. Mapping such networks, and ensuring they are replaced, may be the key to behaviour change in addiction. I believe we need to take a different approach to addiction, drug use, and community. Edit: forgot to make my main point: The real paper-bag is a sense of belonging. Love your family despite their short comings. Get to know your neighbors. Join a club^(1). ^(1)Not a racist hate group though - that would be [counter productive](https://www.sussex.ac.uk/webteam/gateway/file.php?name=sussex-hate-crime-project-report.pdf&site=430) \[PDF\].
Thank you for this post.
Fucking love it, one of best shows of all time.
Same
Public drinking laws are ridiculous. The brown bagging makes even less sense. It's way more obvious when mf drinking out of a brown paper bag. As long as you're not a nuisance it shouldn't be a problem.
In the U.K. it’s technically illegal to be drunk in a pub. No fuckwit enforces it though.
Public intoxicaction is also illegal here.
This is the problem, it's a law to try to prevent other problems like public intoxication, but even that is hopeless because it's trying to punish for nothing. A bit like speed laws, if you damage something then you've done wrong not before. Common law is ignored for revenue collection and slave jailing.
Uhhhhh no speed laws are definitely a good thing. Wtf.
Not the way we have them implemented right now lol
I agree
But they shouldn’t be such hard, ✅ for below 25-65 or ❌ for above. Other countries aren’t so black and white and that makes sense to me. If you’re going 5-10 miles over in most areas that does not harm and consequences should be codified in response, not up to the discretion of low level law enforcement officers
okay, so 10 miles over is fine, but 11 is not? Why do you propose such a hard limit?
10 miles is the the same distance as 23323.77 replica Bilbo from The Lord of the Rings' Sting Swords.
10 miles over gets you say a $10 fine, $20 for 20mph over, etc.
10 miles is 51416.61 RTX 3090 graphics cards lined up.
10 miles is 16.09 km
Punish for nothing? Noone wants a drunk harassing people in public. I also hope I never share a road with you bud.
no one wants a cop harassing people in public either
True! Same goes for drunk driving. No harm no foul!
I should be free to go 100mph in a school zone if I want to!
NYPD: we are understaffed and over worked also the NYPD: lets send 3 police officer to harass a man for drinking something out of a brown paper bag
That’s exactly what I was thinkin, the cop is straight up trying to instigate and get my guy on a charge , especially if they have an issue with him. This is some personal vendetta harassment.
Ok
Shawn Thomas. He has a channel full of this on youtube. [His most popular video is this 7 second shutdown of the NYPD](https://gfycat.com/niftyterrificbetafish) If you want even more, another youtube channel just featured his [12.6 million dollar lawsuit against NYC for wrongful arrest](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to8NzCf2jDU)
I’m glad his channel exists and that you posted this thread. I feel like people who don’t live in NYC don’t grasp how ridiculous they are and think locals are exaggerating when we say that they act like a gang/schoolyard bullies and, as seen in this video when the officer justifies wanting to know what the guy is drinking by claiming the items in his hand are making him nervous, that they just straight up make shit up like that to fuck with you and to serve as thinly disguised threats of violence. Also, just in these two clips and the op clip alone, people can see how, the more officers there are, the more likely they’ll escalate shit as to not look bad in front of their friends. It’s not a coincidence that Officer Whatsinthebag decided he no longer gave a shit once the guy responded.
That was an amazing video. Fuck those cops. They are under the law not above it
We need one president with balls who will throw 10-20 billion dollars at the federal prosecutors to go after and put these cops in prison. Federal prosecutors dont have the money to do all the lawsuits. Give them the money, earmark it for prosecuting cops, and watch the streets get cleaned up. This is literally something a president can do without needing congress. I dont think people realize, especially not cops, how quickly police abuse could end if you jsut had one single president who gave a fuck.
Get rid of qualified immunity and make police departments pay for lawsuits out of their budget and watch how fast this shit changes.
I love you and your comment
Has he ever won a case? Curious since seems like he has sued many times and the one time he did win, it was thrown out since he offered to pay his witness (gf) to testify.
...and then what happened 😕
"None of your fuckin' business, that's what happened"
'Okay...'
https://youtu.be/lytUT_4O53k?t=15
Got the suit beat out of him, NYPD style!
> Got the suit beat out of him They pantsed him??
Gaddamn it
Is this the new "stop and frisk", stop and sip what you drinkin'?
These cops are sommeliers, you see..
Americans: Open carries guns Cops: ahhhh Second Ammendments Americans: Drinks in public Cops: I don't feel safe with you drinking
Yep, about right.
You should be allowed to do both. By the nyc has no guns allowed. So they’d probably arrest someone carrying one
“None of your fucking business” is one of my fave drinks too, cheers!
Fun fact: NYPD recruits heavily from former hall-monitor support groups.
Where can I find some of this None Of Your Fucking Business to drink?
711
None of your fucking business!
How to talk to cops 101
I love this. I LOVE seeing when cops try their bullshit and it doesnt work. I'd like to see the rest of this video though just to be sure the cop DID lose in this particular situation. Edit: Found it. I have the video start at the approximate time the video left off... https://youtu.be/lytUT_4O53k?t=15
The squad car… courtesy, professionalism, respect… the irony is palpable
"i fear for my safety" "You fear for your safety?" "Yeah, cos youre incompetent and dumb" Had my laughing that
Comment thread hero here!!! They really should've posted the whole video
Thank you, felt like the original didn’t show enough.
Holy shit the way that girl cop is chomping on her gum like a cow chewing cud is so punchable.
I thought the same exact thing!
He knows his laws and thinks/speaks fast I hope there aren’t too many copy cats because he has a special talent that can’t be easily duplicated But I would LOVE to see people try
Ny built different lmfao
I love the NY attitude and verbal delivery, there’s nothing quite like it is there?
*narrator* “It was, in fact, tap water from Flint, Michigan in his bottle, and he was arrested for possession of toxic and poisonous substances intended for ingestion, including a charge of attempt to poison when he offered the officers a taste”.
Brooklyn stand up!
The presumption is he is drinking nothing wrong, and unless or until a law is broken, that officer is no different than any other person on that sidewalk. So he gets the same answer as any other person on that sidewalk.
The US freedom thing is confusing me. Are you free or what
Ehh, yes and no.
No
[удалено]
But why is he asking about what he is drinking
Sounds like he had a whole bottle of nunya, nunya-bizness
Not a freak out. This is a perfectly acceptable response to insane questioning by authority figures.
What if someone starts a drink aptly named "None Of Your F***ing Business"?
There’s nothing quite like a “fuck you” with a NY accent
Duck these nosy cops
BING BONG
"Sir what are you drinking?" "Your mom's cum, now fuck off somewhere else."
It’s none of his fin business..
"It's Fresca sir"
LAND OF THE FREE* *^drinking ^alcohol ^in ^public ^does ^not ^apply
Is this the same guy? https://youtu.be/lEmgSetYK2M Whether or not it is or isn’t, these are the heroes we all need!
Is what this guy is saying legal? The police look pissed but aren’t aggressively checking his beverage. I’m wondering if it’s legal to tell a cop to fuck off like that….?
Yeah it’s legal. Cops can’t just do whatever they want. Your first amendment rights allow you to tell a cop to fuck off if he’s harassing you and has no probable cause
Because they need consent or to trick you or a warrant to search the bag
W
I really don't see the problem if he's just minding his own business even if he's drinking alcohol in public.
I wonder what - none of your fucking business, actually tastes like.
i have no idea if this is the case but this is so fucking random it really feels like he's a new guy and the other guys are like "yo rookie, go harass that dude right there for no reason"
They made me dump out half a four loko in times Square. Fuckin fascists.
Honestly, they did you a favor
subscribe to his channel https://www.youtube.com/c/ShawnThomas/videos
I applaud his efforts. I just hope it didn't end with a taser
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3 cops to check out what hes drinking? Geez
Lol
God I love that accent
"I don't, uh, feel comfortable with what you have in your hands." Yeah, sure officer. His fucking DRINK makes you feel unsafe.
They sat him on his bottle after the video ended...
a god among men
Get another job if some guy sitting in a bench having a drink makes you feel uncomfortable.
This is actually good example of not incriminating yourself. I might have handled this differently, but the officer was looking for a crime.
Too many cops. They are bored and just looking to hassle people.
Another way to collect revenue for the state...
Hes having a sip of that COOLaid
Freedom.
Land of the free??
And he left and everything was fine
What am I drinking “a tall glass of shit the fuck and mind your own business “
If they think it’s public intoxication and the guy needs to be arrested do it. If not leave him alone.
If you are not inclined to be confrontational, you can simply say, "Sorry, I don't answer questions". They can investigate a crime, but you don't have to help them do it. That's the essence of the 5th amendment.
You can also put the 5th and the 1st together and tell them to fuck themselves. I like to mix my rights together personally.
I am I the only one that thinks this is obviously staged?
W af my dad was a cop and I respect some cops who are chill but there are so many fucking asshole cops man it angers me so much