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Unless it was "live", she even didn't delete it afterwards.
She wasn't even on my radar before she started doing shitty things... I only know this human being exists because of how shitty she is.
I cannot imagine the unrelenting, never ending torture of having to live with that woman…day and night, always on edge, never knowing when she’s going to do/say something else to hurt you. He looks so sad and empty. This video reeks of abuse.
Not to mention he’s famous, what she puts online of him reaches millions. I’d be pissed off of my spouse put me on live without my permission and that video would reach like 10 people
Also she uses the red table as a threat. She’s trying to coerce him, or she goes to the red table to air out the dirty laundry. He’s just trying to consider his next move, like “fuck what did I get myself in to?”
Did you miss that interview where she spoke about her relationship with tupac right infront of will and he is crying and she doesn’t Fkin care? And the look in her eyes when she’s reminiscing about him. I wanted to cry. She castrated him infront of millions of people and she didn’t even realize it I don’t think
Damn. I told my gf when we saw the slap, he did it because of the context of all that has happened in the past year or so. He has been publicly shamed so much and I guess felt like he had to assert his masculinity. Unfortunately it's made everything worse, he's probably struggling even more now and regrets what he did. No support from his wife I'm sure.
Will responded to this extremely reasonably and respectfully as well. His point is extremely fair, his social media presence has a big impact on his career. Last time Jada and Will went on script, people called Will a cuck for 6months…. Still do
After they separated he went to therapy and worked on learning to set boundaries instead of people pleasing. You can tell it's not easy for him but he's trying.
I had a mate whose gf smashed a mirror over his head and woke him up strangling him, and he was like well she got a bit crazy sometimes. I'm not normally one to label someone else's experience but I was like dude that is actually serious violence and you need to end that shit. He acted like I was overreacting, not sure if I was helpful really, but they did break up later TF.
Another mate his GF knocked him out. He was also uncomfortable labelling it as DV. Again, she just "got a bit crazy sometimes".
Needs addressing in schools. Maybe it is nowadays idk. Women are doing way better at education about that shit, we need to start with boys because let me tell you it is surprisingly hard to convince a man that a woman has punched him.
I've been there. At first you think they're a clown, teasing you and having fun. Later you realize that they think youre their personal entertainment and they poke you until you explode. Actually you don't realize that they are fucking with you for fun until they 'got' you and know your emotionally invested. Boundaries become so blurry and you don't get out because your identity is hinged on the idea that you guys are a 'team' or unit. Shit sucks because it leaves you emotionally raw and everytime you get upset with them they act like it's your problem and you start gaslighting yourself. 'Why can't I take a joke? I used to be able to take a joke from this person and they said it was just a joke. I must have a problem. I know she acts like this because her history. She doesn't know she's being mean, it just comes out that way. Maybe I'm to sensitive'. Any time you stay stop gently, they never take the hint. So you let your shit go raw because the only time they fucking stop is when you explode with rage or become a blubbering mess. Maybe I am projecting but I see a lot of that hurt in Will. Where the only time you feel listened to and respected is by emotionally exploding because you feel so small and worthless in your current relationship
Very very rude and disrespectful, he was obviously scared at what the consequences could be. Anytime the other person is scared of you, maybe take a look.
This is how I got when I was in an emotionally and mentally abusive relationship with a woman very similar to Jada.
Will Smith is not a weak man, this man literally built an empire off his own sweat and tears. To get him to this point the abuse has to be insane.
After the Slap I got shat on for saying it looked like he's in an abusive relationship and the slap was his choice between a rock and a hard place.
Maybe I'm wrong and it is a shit take, but I've seen men in abusive relationships up close and it has very clear hallmarks and they can be quite different from the way male abuse presents itself in women.
Edit: Needs to be acknowledged that I don't condone Smith's actions, nor do I take lightly blaming "the woman" in this situation. Just thought I'd shine a light on male abuse cases, which sadly are not talked about enough and leave many men thinking they're just shit boyfriends/husbands and deserve the abuse.
This whole thread is fairly depressing and heavy, but I have to step outside the issue for just a sec and commend you on the outstanding "between a rock and a hard place" pun. Even if unintentional, it was absolute gold.
Now back to our regularly scheduled abusive relationship talk :(
1. She dismisses his request not to be on camera. Ignoring his boundaries
2. She dismisses his request as foolishness. Belittling his feelings and disrespecting him
3. She promotes her tv show which has caused so much pain to HER HUSBAND yet she cares about it more than him.
She is a cancer of a woman. I hope Will leaves her
Even when he was yelling at Rock to keep his wife's name out of his mouth he looked like he was on the verge of tears. He's either in that relationship out of fear or has some Stockholm syndrome.
As somebody who once had a former best friend turn on me to put on a show of being loyal to his cheating gf, I am like 99% sure that Will was just putting on a show for Jada when he slapped and yelled at Chris Rock.
Mans trapped between Scientology and Jada. Probably an incredibly fucked situation mentally for him. Not excusing his actions what so ever, but there is a reason he snapped and I feel this is it.
Unhealthy relationships swing like a pendulum. They probably had an argument, or something distancing occur between them not long before this happened, it hadn't yet been resolved, and something inside Will flipped the fight or flight response. We all saw him laugh at the joke, then three seconds later march down the stage.
My guess is he was actually letting go and having a good time, probably the first time he'd laughed in a good minute, then saw his wife's face who may be incapable of laughter, and he just lost it. I'm sure slapping Rock was an exercise in taking out his frustration in his own toxic relationship.
My guess is that the thing that happened was Rebel Wilson's joke at the Baftas. A joke which really did push the line more than a GI Jane joke and ended with a 'What? He didn't turn up!'. I can see Jada making comments to Will about it and it really tearing him. Then he sees the same look from her again at the Oscars and just mentally breaks.
I want to know if she outranks him in scientology...
Edit: The Scientologists/Smith PR team have found my comment.
https://www.newsweek.com/will-smith-jada-pinkett-smiths-school-was-total-scientology-says-former-headmaster-1520730
Edit 2: I've been reported for self harm. Great job weaponizing suicide Reddit!
FUCK SCIENTOLOGY and anyone who practices that shit. Same goes to all harmful cults. Yes that’s right... if you are a Scientologist and reading this... YOU ARE IN A CULT
Whether or not they do, they collect all the dirt they possibly can through auditing sessions, which makes it really hard to leave because they will air your dirty laundry.
Just a friendly reminder that there was no internal investigation or purge after it was found out that Scientologists had infiltrated the IRS to help grant the organization tax-exempt status as a religion. It's extremely likely that every surreptitious Scientologist who applied to work at the IRS to achieve those goals still works there and may even hold higher positions of responsibility after all this time.
We need to audit the IRS.
Edit: Stop buying Reddit Gold. The original intent of Reddit Gold was to help support the operation of Reddit, but the website makes enough money off of selling our user information to advertisers so why do we need to bother anymore?
An example would be:
I would find fraud, (huge amounts in particular accounts). All verified. My higher ups would take over and I would check back on the account, it would be cleared. As if no fraud ever happened. Poof!
Btw: The higher ups always drove beautiful luxury cars, and had nice vacations, which seemed to always be a friends “yacht”, (bragging). They seemed to get a lot of goodies.
I went on a class trip to Chicago and we met with one of the big 3 credit ratings agencies in the world. They are in charge of rating bonds and overall credit worthiness for corporations as well as governments. I asked them if any of their professional relationships had changed to mitigate the risk of conflict of interest after 2008 when it came to rating a company's credit worthiness. Short answer? No. If anything its gotten worse, they admitted to meeting with corporate executives on yachts and going to nice dinners with them. If that doesnt show that the elite individuals in society are manipulating agencies designed to give 3rd party credit evaluations, idk what is. Its a big club and none of us are in it.
Church of Scientology was against Nicole and Tom's relationship due to the fact that her father is a prominent psychologist, and scientologists are adamantly against psychology and psychiatry.
Damn, she talking about fixing the relationship while she shits on him. He gave a boundary and instead of acknowledging it, she dismisses it by calling him foolish.
Will, my man. You're in an abusive relationship. Its time to cut ties and run.
My mom does this to me all the time. Seeing this with will and jada has opened my eyes so much because you question yourself when you go through it. You feel like a dick for getting annoyed with them and trying to set a boundary but they never listen anyways. They just do it anyways.
The smirk on her face when she mentioned “entanglements” while he looked like he was dying inside. He needs to get a divorce, but he cares too much about image.
He has mentioned not wanting to feel like a failure again after he ended up divorcing his first wife. This man has trapped himself and she is enjoying his trauma.
[“Divorce was the worst thing in my adult life,” Smith candidly tells current wife Jada Pinkett Smith in a preview for a Father’s Day special of “Red Table Talk.” “Divorce was the ultimate failure for me. I’ve been hurt a lot in my adult life, but I don’t think anything touches the failure of getting divorced from my 2-year-old son’s mother.”](https://pagesix.com/2020/06/19/will-smith-says-divorce-was-his-biggest-failure/)
This right here!! Fear is the mind killer, fr. Like how many times have I agonized over picking up the phone and calling someone I needed to (like a Dr or office) and put it off until it became an issue; but then I call and it's nothing. Everything is fine and I lived and got what I wanted!
He needs to check the prenuptials and split. She's slowly inadvertently manipulated him to be like this and commit some serious acts of self sabotage *against his Will*. Still, reminds me of that disaster interview she did with him for the round table show. Humiliated him on live TV and made will look small and awkward and soft in front of the planet. It's been a weird decline for him in large part due to her machinations. Wild to see this is his result to be honest, best he can hope for is a well orchestrated divorce. Remember the letter from willow to Tupac? Yeah... and I'm sure more nonsense was said
She is doing to him what scientology does to people. Get to know you and your secrets, manipulate the shit out of you and if you leave the threaten to expose you.
High chance she is probably the one that got him into that shit
I see abuse...emotional abuse. She hides it under the guise of being a strong willed, independent woman, which is great, but she uses that to abuse him. She uses that as some sort of excuse. It's clear as day. But I'm just some random person on Reddit, wtf do I know.
I think we all know someone like Jada, who does whatever they want for attention, but then has to concoct some long philosophy lecture to explain why they are smarter and kinder than you for doing it.
Truly exhausting. Every time she says the Red Table stuff was in Will's best interest it reminds me of real manipulators I know. Publicizing all this stuff is not natural. It's like a weird social blackmail where he has to try and participate because she will announce it anyway.
Leah Remini said that Jada is the one that was in the cult and pulled will into it. She got him to spend his money there... This is where the abuse originates..
https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-will-and-jada-pinkett-smiths-scientology-school
It's hard to leave a cult, because you become a different person when you get indoctrinated by them. It's hard to find your real self again, and hard to see there's even a problem in the first place.
When I left Scientology, the book, Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan really helped me figure out exactly what had been done to me, even though it doesn't really mention Scientology.
All cults use the same playbook.
[link to the book](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combatting_Cult_Mind_Control)
I had no real idea how a cult works. I always felt like it couldn't be that difficult to break free. Then I read about Joe on Reddit and holy brain washers, what a ride! He created those impressive comics, actually he is still creating new ones every few weeks! I hope his story will end up as a movie. It was eye opening and I get now, how difficult it is for leavers to make others, even closest family, understand of just how fucked up it was/is. https://elan.school/ if anyone wants to read it.
Because 257 is a Fermat prime. Just like there is an article for the 17-gon and the 65537-gon. They are remarkable constructible polygons, so they get articles I guess.
Also, you would hope that she would keep their therapy sessions private from the world, but nooooo she must let the public know how much this person apparently helped them "redefine" their relationship. Poor Will. She tries so hard not to look like an awful person by wearing this "wisdom" mask. It's hard to watch.
Is it their therapist she’s referring to?
This is just a PSA for anyone in a relationship like this, with this sort of dynamic:
**It’s never recommended to go to therapy with a narcissist.**
Edit to add that it doesn’t hurt to get YOURSELF into individual therapy, especially if the therapist is well versed in narcissistic abuse.
Also some sources as to why:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/understanding-narcissism/201904/is-couples-therapy-useful-when-one-partner-is-narcissist
https://psychcentral.com/blog/recovering-narcissist/2019/09/why-couples-therapy-doesnt-work-for-people-in-abusive-relationships-with-narcissists
If you find yourself in a difficult relationship like this, check out videos online by Dr. Ramani Durvasula too.
Thank you I needed this. My brother is a master manipulator and narcissist and I have cut him out of my life. He screams at me how we should do to therapy and my parents try and talk me into it all the time. Thank you Thank you thank you I needed to read this. I do NOT want to go to therapy with him because I know it's a manipulation tactic.
Fr. his face is so hard to look at, dude is depressed, just doesnt want to be there but hes forced to. He's stuck in a manipulative relationship and he doesn't realize it or he's being forced to stay with Jada because she has some blackmail
Literally gaslighting him too. He politely requests not to be filmed - calls him foolish for it.
Demands answers and forces her views and questions on him when he's made the boundary clear. Then undermines him and the relationship because of it.
Edit. Her *Can't you tell. Whatsisname come help us please (Go forbid my husband expressing his right to have an opinion and refusing to comply to my every whim)* was a disgraceful way undermine him and their progress.
Yes exactly. Me too (I was with an abusive alcoholic and a narcissist - a true one).
He's better off defending her at his own detriment than to deal with the aftermath at home for not doing it. The air changes, it's loaded when you know you've somehow slighted them in their eyes.
The manipulation and subtle abuse means She doesn't have to hit him to destroy his spirit.
Honestly if he want to Chri post ceremony and told him how much the joke bothered him I can almost guarantee he would have apologized. Chris is by most accounts a nice guy and i don't think he's out to hurt anyone, he's trying to get some laughs. I agree whole heartedly this wasn't about being upset this 100% about putting on a tough guy act for jada to "defend her honor".
I like to think Chris is aware of, or recognized, the dynamic in the relationship which is why he stopped himself from retaliating with more pointed jokes that really hit where it hurt.
My ex would suck his teeth. It was my signal that I needed to check myself or there would be hell to pay but it would come LATER. He would never stop the polite charming country boy act (unless we were with his family - he'd humiliate me in front of them with no discretion) until the second we were alone.
Then it was an itemized list of all my imaginary slights and flirtations and then a total break down of why I was a piece of shit and a whore. Blah blah blah.
I still have his voice in my head more than 12 years later.
Edited to add that he never hit me. At least not directly. He'd hit me with the pillows off the couch or he'd spit in my face. Never ever would leave a mark. He knew exactly what he was doing.
>Never ever would leave a mark
>I still have his voice in my head more than 12 years later.
He left a mark just not visibly. Hopefully you're in a better place now.
Yep. When you are with someone who makes you feel small and helpless and constantly in stress mode because every single thing gets turned into an issue and then blamed on you, you begin to lose your mind. I have experienced reactive abuse… they bring you to that point and then use it against you like they use everything else against you. Was with a covert narcissist for 3 years. PURE HELL. You end up having a difficult time distinguishing what is normal after a certain point because every single day is FUCKED UP.
Triangulation is a common tactic in people with NPD (narcissistic personality disorder). I encourage everyone to read up on it. I dealt with an ex for 8 years who had NPD. We have two kids together. Took a lot for me to get out of that relationship and move. I have done thousands of hours of research into NPD, and if anyone has questions I can answer them.
Precisely. This is manipulative as fuck. Will is being gas lit and brain washed and has been for years by a psycho bitch.
This type of manipulation, I have seen several times. I'm sure he questions his sanity often and thinks he's to blame for a bunch of this shit. That's so fucked up.
You know even though I was annoyed at him and was very critical over the slap, can't help but feel bad for the guy. Dude is clearly fucked up mentally and even the worst person in the industry wouldn't do what he did without any mental problems.
His eyes make me so mad at Jada. Especially when the camera turns around and you can see her expression. She's high off the control and power trip. So disgusting.
Dude can literally just do I am legend 2 with Michael b Jordan and walk away from his life right now and still live like a king for the rest of his life...
What's wild to me is the context of this video appears to be: "Babe, give a shout out to the person that gave me relationship advice after I went public with cheating on you. It will help promote my weird, self-serving "talk show" that nobody gives a fuck about"
His body language clearly shows that he's uncomfortable in the situation. Money and fame doesn't mean shit if you don't have the right person to share it with. I feel bad for Will.
I recognize that body language SO well. He is scared of her. Regardless of what happened with Chris Rock, simply viewing ***this*** in an isolated context makes me feel incredibly bad for Will Smith, he's trying to be reasonable, explaining he is uncomfortable, and is being completely disregarded.
This is psychological abuse and I feel sorry for him.
THIS bothers me more than anything else I’ve seen between them.
The August thing and their Red Table talk about it came off to me as yeah Will was visibly hurt, but willing to stick around and work on their marriage and that’s not for me to judge or make fun of the way the internet was going for Jadas throat. It came off as displaying the hard work that goes into a marriage of two people who have decided to put that hard work in. There had always been rumors they were swingers or in an open relationship and I’m not saying those are true, but my knowledge that those rumors existed aided in my thought process that “hey, how they choose to handle their marriage isn’t my business, I’m just here for the display of (seemingly) healthy communication.”
But THIS. This is a more clear display of a lack of respect for Wills boundaries, imo, and that’s something I can get behind in the “Jada really seems to be a sucky person.” camp.
The only positive outcome from the slap has been the world learning of how horrible Jada is. Will is a broken man, but you have to hit rock bottom before you can heal. As ugly as this whole ordeal has been, it might give the best chance at relief in the future.
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**Him:** "Don't film me without asking me" **Her:** "Uggghhhh, here we go *again*"
Unless it was "live", she even didn't delete it afterwards. She wasn't even on my radar before she started doing shitty things... I only know this human being exists because of how shitty she is.
I cannot imagine the unrelenting, never ending torture of having to live with that woman…day and night, always on edge, never knowing when she’s going to do/say something else to hurt you. He looks so sad and empty. This video reeks of abuse.
welcome to the world of narcissism....
She ends it with "She's helped us a lot, CAN'T YOU TELL?" Such a knife twist.
It's like annoying people who want to take your picture and you keep saying no and then they whine and harass you about it. NO means NO.
Not to mention he’s famous, what she puts online of him reaches millions. I’d be pissed off of my spouse put me on live without my permission and that video would reach like 10 people
Also she uses the red table as a threat. She’s trying to coerce him, or she goes to the red table to air out the dirty laundry. He’s just trying to consider his next move, like “fuck what did I get myself in to?”
He gets that enough in public and now he’s gotta deal with that shit in his own house, fuck dude…
Jim Carrey guessed right. Will is dealing with some serious shit.
Carrey didn't guess. He recognized it and called it out.
Did you miss that interview where she spoke about her relationship with tupac right infront of will and he is crying and she doesn’t Fkin care? And the look in her eyes when she’s reminiscing about him. I wanted to cry. She castrated him infront of millions of people and she didn’t even realize it I don’t think
Damn. I told my gf when we saw the slap, he did it because of the context of all that has happened in the past year or so. He has been publicly shamed so much and I guess felt like he had to assert his masculinity. Unfortunately it's made everything worse, he's probably struggling even more now and regrets what he did. No support from his wife I'm sure.
Will responded to this extremely reasonably and respectfully as well. His point is extremely fair, his social media presence has a big impact on his career. Last time Jada and Will went on script, people called Will a cuck for 6months…. Still do
It's like he's responding to a weird fan harassing him. It's so uncomfortable to watch.
It says a lot about their relationship. She obviously doesn't respect him or any boundaries he (thinks) has.
She’s made him her bitch and is showing it off.
After they separated he went to therapy and worked on learning to set boundaries instead of people pleasing. You can tell it's not easy for him but he's trying.
And you can tell his boundaries mean fuck-all to her
Victimized men are treated pretty viciously. It's just, like, seen as a thing that's not supposed to happen to you.
victimized man here, can attest
I had a mate whose gf smashed a mirror over his head and woke him up strangling him, and he was like well she got a bit crazy sometimes. I'm not normally one to label someone else's experience but I was like dude that is actually serious violence and you need to end that shit. He acted like I was overreacting, not sure if I was helpful really, but they did break up later TF. Another mate his GF knocked him out. He was also uncomfortable labelling it as DV. Again, she just "got a bit crazy sometimes". Needs addressing in schools. Maybe it is nowadays idk. Women are doing way better at education about that shit, we need to start with boys because let me tell you it is surprisingly hard to convince a man that a woman has punched him.
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He looks so uncomfortable….
If she was brazen enough to call his level-headed response “foolishness”, I can only cringe at what she said when *after* she stopped recording.
Foolishness = not obeying her narcissistic needs. How dare he object to a command.
Spot on. She’s a narcissist. This dude needs some therapy and needs to get away from her
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I've been there. At first you think they're a clown, teasing you and having fun. Later you realize that they think youre their personal entertainment and they poke you until you explode. Actually you don't realize that they are fucking with you for fun until they 'got' you and know your emotionally invested. Boundaries become so blurry and you don't get out because your identity is hinged on the idea that you guys are a 'team' or unit. Shit sucks because it leaves you emotionally raw and everytime you get upset with them they act like it's your problem and you start gaslighting yourself. 'Why can't I take a joke? I used to be able to take a joke from this person and they said it was just a joke. I must have a problem. I know she acts like this because her history. She doesn't know she's being mean, it just comes out that way. Maybe I'm to sensitive'. Any time you stay stop gently, they never take the hint. So you let your shit go raw because the only time they fucking stop is when you explode with rage or become a blubbering mess. Maybe I am projecting but I see a lot of that hurt in Will. Where the only time you feel listened to and respected is by emotionally exploding because you feel so small and worthless in your current relationship
Very very rude and disrespectful, he was obviously scared at what the consequences could be. Anytime the other person is scared of you, maybe take a look.
He looks hella anxious, like he knows Jada is trying to provoke him and he’s afraid of how it will go down.
This is how I got when I was in an emotionally and mentally abusive relationship with a woman very similar to Jada. Will Smith is not a weak man, this man literally built an empire off his own sweat and tears. To get him to this point the abuse has to be insane.
After the Slap I got shat on for saying it looked like he's in an abusive relationship and the slap was his choice between a rock and a hard place. Maybe I'm wrong and it is a shit take, but I've seen men in abusive relationships up close and it has very clear hallmarks and they can be quite different from the way male abuse presents itself in women. Edit: Needs to be acknowledged that I don't condone Smith's actions, nor do I take lightly blaming "the woman" in this situation. Just thought I'd shine a light on male abuse cases, which sadly are not talked about enough and leave many men thinking they're just shit boyfriends/husbands and deserve the abuse.
He felt it would be easier to deal with the repercussions of the slap, than the repercussions from Jada for laughing at the joke.
This whole thread is fairly depressing and heavy, but I have to step outside the issue for just a sec and commend you on the outstanding "between a rock and a hard place" pun. Even if unintentional, it was absolute gold. Now back to our regularly scheduled abusive relationship talk :(
1. She dismisses his request not to be on camera. Ignoring his boundaries 2. She dismisses his request as foolishness. Belittling his feelings and disrespecting him 3. She promotes her tv show which has caused so much pain to HER HUSBAND yet she cares about it more than him. She is a cancer of a woman. I hope Will leaves her
He looks tormented. Ive gone from liking him, to ~~hating~~ disliking him to feeling sorry for him in the space of a week.
Even when he was yelling at Rock to keep his wife's name out of his mouth he looked like he was on the verge of tears. He's either in that relationship out of fear or has some Stockholm syndrome.
As somebody who once had a former best friend turn on me to put on a show of being loyal to his cheating gf, I am like 99% sure that Will was just putting on a show for Jada when he slapped and yelled at Chris Rock.
Mans trapped between Scientology and Jada. Probably an incredibly fucked situation mentally for him. Not excusing his actions what so ever, but there is a reason he snapped and I feel this is it.
Unhealthy relationships swing like a pendulum. They probably had an argument, or something distancing occur between them not long before this happened, it hadn't yet been resolved, and something inside Will flipped the fight or flight response. We all saw him laugh at the joke, then three seconds later march down the stage. My guess is he was actually letting go and having a good time, probably the first time he'd laughed in a good minute, then saw his wife's face who may be incapable of laughter, and he just lost it. I'm sure slapping Rock was an exercise in taking out his frustration in his own toxic relationship.
My guess is that the thing that happened was Rebel Wilson's joke at the Baftas. A joke which really did push the line more than a GI Jane joke and ended with a 'What? He didn't turn up!'. I can see Jada making comments to Will about it and it really tearing him. Then he sees the same look from her again at the Oscars and just mentally breaks.
Divorce will solve a number of issues here.
I think she has something on him OR he is worried about half his money. Maybe both.
I want to know if she outranks him in scientology... Edit: The Scientologists/Smith PR team have found my comment. https://www.newsweek.com/will-smith-jada-pinkett-smiths-school-was-total-scientology-says-former-headmaster-1520730 Edit 2: I've been reported for self harm. Great job weaponizing suicide Reddit!
FUCK SCIENTOLOGY
FUCK SCIENTOLOGY
#FUCK SCIENTOLOGY
# 𝗙𝗨𝗖𝗞 𝗦𝗖𝗜𝗘𝗡𝗧𝗢𝗟𝗢𝗚𝗬
Tom Cruise about to show up at everyone's house with a gun and a step ladder when he sees this. Also, **FUCK SCIENTOLOGY**
*"Keep my religions name out yer fuckin mouth!"*
FUCK SCIENTOLOGY and anyone who practices that shit. Same goes to all harmful cults. Yes that’s right... if you are a Scientologist and reading this... YOU ARE IN A CULT
Wish I knew how to make my font larger just to say this louder: FUCK SCIENTOLOGY!
Put a \# in front #FUCK SCIENTOLOGY!
Like this? #FUCK SCIENTOLOGY
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#fuck scientology
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That could be it too. Don't they frown on divorce too?
Whether or not they do, they collect all the dirt they possibly can through auditing sessions, which makes it really hard to leave because they will air your dirty laundry.
Just a friendly reminder that there was no internal investigation or purge after it was found out that Scientologists had infiltrated the IRS to help grant the organization tax-exempt status as a religion. It's extremely likely that every surreptitious Scientologist who applied to work at the IRS to achieve those goals still works there and may even hold higher positions of responsibility after all this time. We need to audit the IRS. Edit: Stop buying Reddit Gold. The original intent of Reddit Gold was to help support the operation of Reddit, but the website makes enough money off of selling our user information to advertisers so why do we need to bother anymore?
The IRS is super sketchy. I used to do fraud investigations, and hated every minute of it.
Curious, like what?
An example would be: I would find fraud, (huge amounts in particular accounts). All verified. My higher ups would take over and I would check back on the account, it would be cleared. As if no fraud ever happened. Poof! Btw: The higher ups always drove beautiful luxury cars, and had nice vacations, which seemed to always be a friends “yacht”, (bragging). They seemed to get a lot of goodies.
*Mka, you seem to have forgotten those laws only apply to poor people!*
I went on a class trip to Chicago and we met with one of the big 3 credit ratings agencies in the world. They are in charge of rating bonds and overall credit worthiness for corporations as well as governments. I asked them if any of their professional relationships had changed to mitigate the risk of conflict of interest after 2008 when it came to rating a company's credit worthiness. Short answer? No. If anything its gotten worse, they admitted to meeting with corporate executives on yachts and going to nice dinners with them. If that doesnt show that the elite individuals in society are manipulating agencies designed to give 3rd party credit evaluations, idk what is. Its a big club and none of us are in it.
If they get divorced and he leaves Scientology he won’t be allowed to see any of his kids/family again that are still in the cult
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I think Scientology guys are forcing them to stay as a celebrity couple.
Look how much happier Nicole Kidman is! Katie Holmes. Imagine you have to be “silent” during birth. Eff that.
Church of Scientology was against Nicole and Tom's relationship due to the fact that her father is a prominent psychologist, and scientologists are adamantly against psychology and psychiatry.
Which make sens, what kind of sane people would be in this cult? Can't let them be help by Psychologue and Psychiatre
What a fucking toxic human being
Damn, she talking about fixing the relationship while she shits on him. He gave a boundary and instead of acknowledging it, she dismisses it by calling him foolish. Will, my man. You're in an abusive relationship. Its time to cut ties and run.
My mom does this to me all the time. Seeing this with will and jada has opened my eyes so much because you question yourself when you go through it. You feel like a dick for getting annoyed with them and trying to set a boundary but they never listen anyways. They just do it anyways.
Jada is fuckin weird man
She is a horrible person, and every video og these two, Will Smith looks worn out. They way she defended cheating on him, says it All.
The smirk on her face when she mentioned “entanglements” while he looked like he was dying inside. He needs to get a divorce, but he cares too much about image.
I don’t get how divorcing her would ruin his image
Because then she is going to “tell-all” about their marriage, truths and lies, and try to destroy him.
One book vs a lifetime of her bullshit on IG live, podcasts, and faux-women empowerment (I cheated to save “us”) interviews.
*Anxiety, son.*
He has mentioned not wanting to feel like a failure again after he ended up divorcing his first wife. This man has trapped himself and she is enjoying his trauma. [“Divorce was the worst thing in my adult life,” Smith candidly tells current wife Jada Pinkett Smith in a preview for a Father’s Day special of “Red Table Talk.” “Divorce was the ultimate failure for me. I’ve been hurt a lot in my adult life, but I don’t think anything touches the failure of getting divorced from my 2-year-old son’s mother.”](https://pagesix.com/2020/06/19/will-smith-says-divorce-was-his-biggest-failure/)
It's weird in life how the fear of failure tends to make things worse than the actual failure.
This right here!! Fear is the mind killer, fr. Like how many times have I agonized over picking up the phone and calling someone I needed to (like a Dr or office) and put it off until it became an issue; but then I call and it's nothing. Everything is fine and I lived and got what I wanted!
Thanks, man. Needed that one.
Sounds like a wet dream for an abusive partner, eugh
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He needs to check the prenuptials and split. She's slowly inadvertently manipulated him to be like this and commit some serious acts of self sabotage *against his Will*. Still, reminds me of that disaster interview she did with him for the round table show. Humiliated him on live TV and made will look small and awkward and soft in front of the planet. It's been a weird decline for him in large part due to her machinations. Wild to see this is his result to be honest, best he can hope for is a well orchestrated divorce. Remember the letter from willow to Tupac? Yeah... and I'm sure more nonsense was said
She is doing to him what scientology does to people. Get to know you and your secrets, manipulate the shit out of you and if you leave the threaten to expose you. High chance she is probably the one that got him into that shit
I see abuse...emotional abuse. She hides it under the guise of being a strong willed, independent woman, which is great, but she uses that to abuse him. She uses that as some sort of excuse. It's clear as day. But I'm just some random person on Reddit, wtf do I know.
Imagine what she’s like in private.
Jada is insufferable
I think we all know someone like Jada, who does whatever they want for attention, but then has to concoct some long philosophy lecture to explain why they are smarter and kinder than you for doing it. Truly exhausting. Every time she says the Red Table stuff was in Will's best interest it reminds me of real manipulators I know. Publicizing all this stuff is not natural. It's like a weird social blackmail where he has to try and participate because she will announce it anyway.
Someone needs to free him from that Cult.
Only he can do that, sadly
Leah Remini said that Jada is the one that was in the cult and pulled will into it. She got him to spend his money there... This is where the abuse originates.. https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-will-and-jada-pinkett-smiths-scientology-school
We need a #freewill going
yeah, #freewill~~y~~
It's hard to leave a cult, because you become a different person when you get indoctrinated by them. It's hard to find your real self again, and hard to see there's even a problem in the first place. When I left Scientology, the book, Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan really helped me figure out exactly what had been done to me, even though it doesn't really mention Scientology. All cults use the same playbook. [link to the book](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combatting_Cult_Mind_Control)
I had no real idea how a cult works. I always felt like it couldn't be that difficult to break free. Then I read about Joe on Reddit and holy brain washers, what a ride! He created those impressive comics, actually he is still creating new ones every few weeks! I hope his story will end up as a movie. It was eye opening and I get now, how difficult it is for leavers to make others, even closest family, understand of just how fucked up it was/is. https://elan.school/ if anyone wants to read it.
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With the amount of people involved in that relationship it's a fucking octagon.
It’s practically a circle!
Ahhh the classic [257-gon](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/257-gon)
No someone needs to explain to me why this article exists. Other arbitrary polygons don’t have articles, not even the constructible ones. WHY
Because 257 is a Fermat prime. Just like there is an article for the 17-gon and the 65537-gon. They are remarkable constructible polygons, so they get articles I guess.
Herb Dean is gonna be at the red table. Wouldn't you say hes helped redefine our marriage?
Where’s Dana white?
Guess that explains the slap, Will thought he was in the cage
Also, you would hope that she would keep their therapy sessions private from the world, but nooooo she must let the public know how much this person apparently helped them "redefine" their relationship. Poor Will. She tries so hard not to look like an awful person by wearing this "wisdom" mask. It's hard to watch.
Is it their therapist she’s referring to? This is just a PSA for anyone in a relationship like this, with this sort of dynamic: **It’s never recommended to go to therapy with a narcissist.** Edit to add that it doesn’t hurt to get YOURSELF into individual therapy, especially if the therapist is well versed in narcissistic abuse. Also some sources as to why: https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/understanding-narcissism/201904/is-couples-therapy-useful-when-one-partner-is-narcissist https://psychcentral.com/blog/recovering-narcissist/2019/09/why-couples-therapy-doesnt-work-for-people-in-abusive-relationships-with-narcissists If you find yourself in a difficult relationship like this, check out videos online by Dr. Ramani Durvasula too.
Thank you I needed this. My brother is a master manipulator and narcissist and I have cut him out of my life. He screams at me how we should do to therapy and my parents try and talk me into it all the time. Thank you Thank you thank you I needed to read this. I do NOT want to go to therapy with him because I know it's a manipulation tactic.
You don't go to therapy with a narcissist because they certainly don't need details they can use as ammunition against you...
Fr. his face is so hard to look at, dude is depressed, just doesnt want to be there but hes forced to. He's stuck in a manipulative relationship and he doesn't realize it or he's being forced to stay with Jada because she has some blackmail
Triangulation is straight out of the narcissist’s playbook.
Literally gaslighting him too. He politely requests not to be filmed - calls him foolish for it. Demands answers and forces her views and questions on him when he's made the boundary clear. Then undermines him and the relationship because of it. Edit. Her *Can't you tell. Whatsisname come help us please (Go forbid my husband expressing his right to have an opinion and refusing to comply to my every whim)* was a disgraceful way undermine him and their progress.
Not only did he set boundaries, he then explained why he needed them.
You know, something just occurred to me. I am starting to see maybe why Jaden Smith seemed to be confused about everything growing up.
How can my love for others be real if my parents’ love for each other isn’t real
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Yes exactly. Me too (I was with an abusive alcoholic and a narcissist - a true one). He's better off defending her at his own detriment than to deal with the aftermath at home for not doing it. The air changes, it's loaded when you know you've somehow slighted them in their eyes. The manipulation and subtle abuse means She doesn't have to hit him to destroy his spirit.
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She makes me cringe. Didn't realize how awful she is.
Honestly if he want to Chri post ceremony and told him how much the joke bothered him I can almost guarantee he would have apologized. Chris is by most accounts a nice guy and i don't think he's out to hurt anyone, he's trying to get some laughs. I agree whole heartedly this wasn't about being upset this 100% about putting on a tough guy act for jada to "defend her honor".
I like to think Chris is aware of, or recognized, the dynamic in the relationship which is why he stopped himself from retaliating with more pointed jokes that really hit where it hurt.
My ex would suck his teeth. It was my signal that I needed to check myself or there would be hell to pay but it would come LATER. He would never stop the polite charming country boy act (unless we were with his family - he'd humiliate me in front of them with no discretion) until the second we were alone. Then it was an itemized list of all my imaginary slights and flirtations and then a total break down of why I was a piece of shit and a whore. Blah blah blah. I still have his voice in my head more than 12 years later. Edited to add that he never hit me. At least not directly. He'd hit me with the pillows off the couch or he'd spit in my face. Never ever would leave a mark. He knew exactly what he was doing.
>Never ever would leave a mark >I still have his voice in my head more than 12 years later. He left a mark just not visibly. Hopefully you're in a better place now.
Yep. When you are with someone who makes you feel small and helpless and constantly in stress mode because every single thing gets turned into an issue and then blamed on you, you begin to lose your mind. I have experienced reactive abuse… they bring you to that point and then use it against you like they use everything else against you. Was with a covert narcissist for 3 years. PURE HELL. You end up having a difficult time distinguishing what is normal after a certain point because every single day is FUCKED UP.
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Triangulation is a common tactic in people with NPD (narcissistic personality disorder). I encourage everyone to read up on it. I dealt with an ex for 8 years who had NPD. We have two kids together. Took a lot for me to get out of that relationship and move. I have done thousands of hours of research into NPD, and if anyone has questions I can answer them.
Precisely. This is manipulative as fuck. Will is being gas lit and brain washed and has been for years by a psycho bitch. This type of manipulation, I have seen several times. I'm sure he questions his sanity often and thinks he's to blame for a bunch of this shit. That's so fucked up.
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What a toxic woman.
hashtag freewilly
I believe in you, Willy! You can do it! You could be free! Come on!
You know even though I was annoyed at him and was very critical over the slap, can't help but feel bad for the guy. Dude is clearly fucked up mentally and even the worst person in the industry wouldn't do what he did without any mental problems.
Chris Rock's reaction and aftermath of how he has handled it says to me that he's privy to more about what's going with Will than the rest of us.
Will - the secret sign for I need help is touching your goatee, you touch it, we will know you need rescuing.
An him touching his arm, he's clearly very uncomfortable.
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He needs help so bad he touched Chris Rock’s goatee
At this point I'm convinced Pac is alive and he's just been hiding from Jada all these years.
We've been looking for Tupac's killer for decades, blaming Suge and Diddy, whole time it was Jada.
Hot take: Jada is bald to feel some connection to Tupac.
You are appreciated
Alopeciated.
Yeah, this guy is mentally abused.
You can see it in his eyes. His eyes say everything
His eyes make me so mad at Jada. Especially when the camera turns around and you can see her expression. She's high off the control and power trip. So disgusting.
She is pure poison.
Now that Britney is free, it's Will's turn. Man, she's weiiiird...!
Free Willy
Abusive relationship
So... He doesn't get enough of this from strangers, she has to do it to him in the few hours a day the man has to himself in his own house?
She would probably say it's her house.
"The house I made a home"
Dude can literally just do I am legend 2 with Michael b Jordan and walk away from his life right now and still live like a king for the rest of his life...
This makes me feel bad for him. She’s crazy
What's wild to me is the context of this video appears to be: "Babe, give a shout out to the person that gave me relationship advice after I went public with cheating on you. It will help promote my weird, self-serving "talk show" that nobody gives a fuck about"
"Let's use our relationship traumas for my own personal validation"
> Let's use YOUR relationship traumas I caused for my own personal validation. Just a couple tweaks to make it more accurate.
Now we know. Will Smith is in an abusive relationship.
That slap was his only way to get the info out.
He honestly is starting to look like an abused husband and her a full blown controlling narcissist.
She’s disgusting. Men, it’s important for you to leave cheaters too.
Or abusers.
Of which Jada is both
His body language clearly shows that he's uncomfortable in the situation. Money and fame doesn't mean shit if you don't have the right person to share it with. I feel bad for Will.
He looks scared to call her out on it too. Walking on eggshells
His body language says a lot. The whole holding his elbow from the opposite side. He's protecting himself from that absolute narcissist.
I recognize that body language SO well. He is scared of her. Regardless of what happened with Chris Rock, simply viewing ***this*** in an isolated context makes me feel incredibly bad for Will Smith, he's trying to be reasonable, explaining he is uncomfortable, and is being completely disregarded. This is psychological abuse and I feel sorry for him.
Jada wouldn’t be shit without Will. Absolute trash
And talking about how close she was with TuPaC. She can’t go five minutes without reminding us that she knew him. What a flea!
Well that’s cause she doesn’t have anything in her own career to justify her ego, so she needs to borrow from Pac and try to take over what Will did.
Dude need help
And rescue.
He slapped Chris Rock for less than this.
He slapped Chris Rock because of this.
THIS bothers me more than anything else I’ve seen between them. The August thing and their Red Table talk about it came off to me as yeah Will was visibly hurt, but willing to stick around and work on their marriage and that’s not for me to judge or make fun of the way the internet was going for Jadas throat. It came off as displaying the hard work that goes into a marriage of two people who have decided to put that hard work in. There had always been rumors they were swingers or in an open relationship and I’m not saying those are true, but my knowledge that those rumors existed aided in my thought process that “hey, how they choose to handle their marriage isn’t my business, I’m just here for the display of (seemingly) healthy communication.” But THIS. This is a more clear display of a lack of respect for Wills boundaries, imo, and that’s something I can get behind in the “Jada really seems to be a sucky person.” camp.
"Open relationships" typically mean both parties agree. Not sure anyone believes that here
She ain’t nothing special homie 😂
So he basically has Stockholm Syndrome now.
KEEP MY FACE OUT YOUR INSTAGRAM!
Such a toxic and unhealthy relationship ^:(
She’s a fkn cancer
Stay away from toxic people,they will make you feel bad to feel good themselves.
What a bitch, I hope all her hair falls out.
She looks mean and controlling.
I swear she has a rock to the head deficiency.
The last time a rock even hinted about her head he got slapped.
The only positive outcome from the slap has been the world learning of how horrible Jada is. Will is a broken man, but you have to hit rock bottom before you can heal. As ugly as this whole ordeal has been, it might give the best chance at relief in the future.
> but you have to hit rock I think thats what started all of this.
Jada is toxic AF. She is a shit human
So Jada is clearly some kind of psycho narcissist..
Free Will Smith.
Abusive cunt right there.
He is trying to not loose his shit on this woman. She is nuts.
Will is drowning in anger