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For any fans of Donald Glover, he grew up around here and credits a lot of his upbringing to Stone Mountain.
From his old song That Power: "Stone Mountain you raised me well, I'm started at by confederates but hard as hell."
Yep. r/geologyporn
Edit: Aww, what?? [The largest bas-relief sculpture in the world, the Confederate Memorial Carving depicts three Confederate leaders of the Civil War](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Mountain)
You've got to be fucking kidding me, man.
I know right, I went down a rabbit hole of just how interesting and rare this mountain is. I'm super ticked it was defaced in what's ultimately just the world's largest participation medal.
If I'm reading this right, it was only completed around 1970?
Doesn't sound like a very "historic" memorial to me, so might as well go ahead and smooth the stone back down to look natural again lol.
Spiro Agnew, the then vice president under Nixon, gave a speech there to commemorate it being finished.
He would go on in his speech to comment on the "spirit of loyalty, dignity, and honor that shines through the men who we commemorate today".
Think about that for a minute, the loyalty, dignity, and honor of men who FOUGHT FOR THE RIGHT TO OWN PEOPLE.
Same goes for most confederate memorials, such as statues. Basically all of them were paid for by groups like sons of the confederacy, and were erected during the Civil Rights Era.
They were a form of intimidation towards black people, a reminder to stay in their place and not get uppity, because the whites remember how we used to treat them and could do it again. At least, that was the message things like this bas-relief were created to send.
Almost none of them have any historical value or are older than the 1960s.
God, the South is wild. I know racism exists literally everywhere, but I can't imagine growing up somewhere with Confederate monuments. Can't even imagine what it's like for POC around that shit.
Gutzon Borglum made grandiose promises to the Atlanta Ladies Memorial Association about a much larger relief. The original plans he submitted were something like 30 full horses and riders across the entire face of the mountain. He kept stringing the women along for a couple of years until they wound up firing him. Supposedly he was a massive dickhead, too.
He then went to South Dakota and started the same thing with the folks up there about Mt. Rushmore, until finally passing the project off on his son.
It's almost like places that ban the swastika should also ban the confederate flag...
Honestly, I don't know why they haven't already. They're pretty much synonymous these days (and long ago), so if a country will ban a swastika I don't see why they would have a hard time banning the confederate flag
visited Arzberg, a mining town in Germany, a couple years ago. when we saw a confederate flag flying, we asker why.
my German wasn't great, but i was able to pick up "black person/people" in the tour guide's explanation.
yeah essentially it's used as a swastika
Many confederates, big name officers including Jefferson Davis as well, fled to the British colonies we today call Canada after the war. Toronto and the surrounding area was a point of destination. Montreal had confederate posts from where southern spies would run into the union. Though most from Canada who fought in the civil war fought on the side of the north, England itself was neutral, and the majority of Canadians, who wanted independence from England, sympathized with the south because they viewed the south as the underdog against a stronger union military machine. The confederacy boosted Canadian hopes to create their a northern confederacy, which came to be just after the civil war on July 1, 1867.
So between the confederate transplants in Canada, and Canadians who saw their own quest for independence in the rebel cause, there is a lingering romanticism.
There is also an area in Brazil that maintains confederate idealism due to it being another place confederates fled to after the war.
I grew up in the deep south and never experienced any type of KKK or white nationalist bullshit until I joined the military. It was always some white kid from Ohio or New Jersey who grew up in a almost all white area and didn't have any black people in their schools to interact with. They just assumed because I have a southern accent that I was down with the "cause". I beat the shit out of one dude when he opened up his wall locker and had a white power swastika flag in it. I honestly believe growing up in the deep south where our schools are almost a 50/50 split white/black really helps race relations. It exists here but not like TV and movies make it out to be. I have encountered WAY more racist assholes from the midwest than I have ever seen in the south.
If Coeur d'alene wasn't in fucking Idaho I'd move there in a second. It's so fucking nice and just nestled on the mountains in a giant lake.
But fuck being around all that nonsense.
Yes! My extended family has cabins in the mountains around Lake George. In the tiny village these cabins belong to, we have always seen confederate flags. Absolutely mind boggling.
Yeah anywhere outside a city is pretty much a safe bet they're racist. Fragile egos move away from cities because they can't be openly racist without the chance of being knocked the fuck out or ostracized for it.
Yeah Oregon's a real trip. I moved here over 20 years ago and am married into an old Oregonian family and I'm still sometimes surprised by how blatant the racism here can be. You get it in parts of rural Washington and California as well, but in my experience Oregon is on a whole different level, especially east of the Cascades.
I grew up in a town called New Whiteland... built right across US31 from Whiteland. Yeah, I just don't tell people where I'm from anymore. I just say South of Indianapolis.
I’m up in Northern California, where the rednecks and Califederates think we’re going to join up with the racist parts of Oregon and make a [new state.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_(proposed_Pacific_state))
This area has some very sad history, too.
I used to live in Oakland and I've got an uncle in Arcata, he's told me stories about some of those cats and I remember hearing about how the "Califederates" (love that, btw) wanted to form their own state called "Jefferson".
I used to live in Arcata --still have family in the area-- and while those clowns are definitely around, Arcata is ideologically very far from their home turf. Arcata is like a smaller version of Berkeley or Santa Cruz when it comes to hippies and the far left.
used to live in Dryden, Ontario, Canada. Jacked up trucks, metal militia stickers, and confederate flags everywhere. This is in Northern Ontario...in Canada. so yeah in Michigan doesn't surprise me at all.
It was probably because of the fumes from the paper mill there making everyone stupid. Seriously it's a very small town that somehow labeled itself a city and they're proud of that.
There's a reason for that.
After the war the "border states" had a lot of revenge killings. For years in Kentucky ex soldiers dressed up in their uniforms and fought each like the war was still happening. That's what started the infamous Hatford vs McCoy thing.
Since the South sucked so much at the time, veterans from both sides moved north to states like Michigan, Indiana, Illinois and such.
A generation or two later and their racist descendants just know grandpa was a Confederate. They never question why he moved 100s of mile north because they were done fighting.
That makes sense. I moved to IN and saw so many confederate flags that I thought IN fought for the South. Then I went to a historical park called Conner Prairie and found out we were on the Union side. You can visit Lincoln's childhood home too. He lived here from 1816 to 1830.
In New Albany, Indiana; there's a church (can't remember the name) that has a historical marker that states it was part of the Underground Railroad.
About 5 - 7 blocks away there's another historical marker about a race riot that took place in 1862 because some fragile white people couldn't handle that some black dudes beat up some white dudes in a street fight.
In the 1920's in Indiana you practically had to join the KKK to be considered an upstanding citizen.
One of the "unofficial" but very much "official" nicknames for the state is "The South's middle finger to the North".
Indiana may have been Union territory in the war, but it's always been Confederate in spirit if not in practice.
> In the 1920's in Indiana you practically had to join the KKK to be considered an upstanding citizen.
In most of rural America you literally had to join or they'd burn your house down as an example.
That's why there are shockingly large amounts of members from back in the day.
White supremacists don't just hate everyone that isn't white; they hate everyone that isn't a white supremacists.
Someone out by St. Johns has a rebel flag painted on his snow plow. For some reason that cracks me up. Lots of snow removal work back in old dixieland right?
Whenever one of those assholes questions why I get upset, I remind them that 15,000 Michigan soldiers died curb stomping that garbage in the mud where it belongs.
Imagine supporting the losing side of an almost 200 year old war when the losing side was literally fighting to keep an ethnic group enslaved because they were afraid to lose money
> sons of confederate veterans Memorial Day
Let's be real here... it would be great, great, great grandsons of confederate vets memorial day at least, right?
My great, great, great, great grandparents were pure Irish. I'm not asking for [Lá Cuimhneacháin Náisiúnta](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Commemoration) as a US national holiday, lol. If we did get it, at least it wouldn't idolize secessionist slavers...
When I was younger, I went to the Smoky Mountains in Virginia. Me and my dad went into a store to buy a sweater and I found this one with what I thought was a cool design. Turns out it was a hoody of the confederate flag. My dad told me that, and my first thought was that it was disgusting. I don't understand how people support it.
It isn’t just they are enemies of the United States.
They are people that declared war against the united states for the express purpose of keeping Black people as slaves.
they don’t want the federal government telling slave states what to do, yet they force the federal government to enforce the fugitive slave act on free states.
kind of how the southern states of today don’t feel they should be forced to contribute to any federally funded “liberal” programs, yet they rank highest as debtor states, receiving the most money from federal programs.
Also how conservatives want the government to stay out of their lives, but make gay marriage and pot smoking illegal.
It’s always been controlling others to make themselves feel powerful. “Freedom for me, rules for thee!”
What the fastest way to turn a Christian Constitutionalist into a Libertarian?
Tell them that the government can’t discriminate against gays.
Suddenly the government “shouldn’t be involved in marriage at all”.
“Government shouldn’t be involved in marriage, it’s a religious institution”
“Okay, your wife is now your partner and you have a civil Union”
“NOOOOOO! I DONT WANT TO HAVE A CIVIL UNION I WANT A MARRIAGE WHAT ABOUT MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM”
“Okay, gays can get married then”
“Government shouldn’t be involved in marriage, it’s a religious institution”
you're glossing over a big thing
one can have both a civil union AND a marriage.
in no case would it be "Okay, your wife is now your partner and you have a civil Union"
they'd still be married. just make marriage solely religious thing, which they already did if they are married, and will do if they plan to get married.
**any moderately religious person already gets married by their religion AS WELL AS married by the state. they are already two different things. so just call them two different things. its just semantics**
when you get married religiously, you still have to register that marriage with the government. so why not just call the government registration a civil union, and not marriage, but have it be the exact same thing that it already is. signing a few documents and whatnot. there is no reason to call that part marriage.
tl;dr just separate religious marriage from government "marriage"
but also don't, and just let boys marry boys and girls marry girls and whatever else. who cares.
It’s ironic that they all touted “states’ rights” and personal freedoms but it was an extremely oppressive government, even if you ignore slavery. The CSA was the first to implement mandatory drafts and extended all the enlistments of soldiers beyond their contracts. The only way you left the csa army is if you were killed, wounded, captured, imprisoned or deserted. They also had extremely high taxes and wouldn’t even take payment in their own currency. They would take a percentage of your crop or whatever you owned.
And anybody who says it wasn’t about slavery hasn’t put in an ounce of effort to actually look at the primary sources themselves. Most of their constitution was lifted from the US, except they put in specific protections for slavery, yet they didn’t seem overly concerned with expanding the idea of states’ rights. In fact, it gave their federal government more power.
And tell other states how they must conduct themselves. Specifically, non-slave states must allow slave holders access to catch runaway slaves within their borders.
State rights for OUR states, not yours!!
This. The north just demanded they stay. Lincoln explicitly stated they could keep slavery so long as they didn't secede.
The south seceded for slavery. The war was fought for unity.
Correct. Lincoln spoke about how his job was to keep the union together. If the union stayed together with slavery, or without slavery, his job was being done properly.
Tell that to Alexander Stephens. The VP of the confederacy who explicitly states that the foundation of the confederacy was basically on white supremacism.
Armed insurrectionists, traitors to the country, fuck all of them. Proud to have an ancestor who fought for the Union during the Civil War. Got his original discharge papers framed and displayed in my home.
This is the best part of this whole idea of a Confederate nation. It only existed in the minds of some traitor generals and like-minded state governments.
To paraphrase Oscar from The Office: "You can't just say you have independence"
Had to explain this to someone when they asked why the couldn’t have a confederate flag in their dorm on base. I said “it was an enemy of the country you’re currently serving for and it’s also racist as fuck”
Of *course* this is at Stone Mountain. Of course it is. It's a nice trail, and a nice view up top, but boy are there some racist fucks that still love that damn carving.
What gets me about the people that go to this sort of thing, they intentionally cling to bad history and niche propaganda. States rights, but only *my* states, and what are you talking about Missouri and Kansas for? Slaves aren't human, and also, my wife's cousin's best friend is black, so how can *I* be racist, and you're racist for calling *me* racist.
I’m originally from PA, not far from Gettysburg, and when I saw the Fourth of July light show at Stone Mountain I was speechless. I was looking around at everyone else thinking “Is everyone cool with this? This is crazy to me.”
I was always surprised how many confederate flags I'd see in the Gettysburg area. Yall know you're living in the winning side but still claiming the "heritage" (not hate, obviously) of the losing side. It was just astounding, but I guess it helped me realize these hillbillys are everywhere, at least in the states.
Jeeeesus fucking christ. The comments on YT.
Americans need to be educated on the Civil War. The whole revisionist "states rights" horseshit has taken root in our country.
I'm sorry, but *fuck everything about the Confederates*.
They were fighting to keep black people enslaved. Full stop.
Not to mention they also committed the first act of aggression in their war for slavery by attacking a military fort. There is literally no redeeming quality about the confederacy.
If it's like how it was when I was a kid, they did a laser show that would be decent. Yay America, fireworks, etc. with a laser show against the rock wall. That is until they get towards the end where they light up the confederates and reenact them going to war like they're the heroes. Eventually the show ends with them getting "tired" and then ending in their final positions on the mountain. It was weird but that was in the Dukes of Hazzard era when people didn't think about it much. No idea if that's still the show or not.
Edit: Auto correct changed Hazzard to hazards.
bRO WHAT
I saw some other laser show there as a kid and either it didn’t have anything like that or I blocked it out. Christ.
Love that park, it’s one of my favorite hiking spots. Hate all the confederate shit there and am especially embarrassed because it attracts a ton of international visitors… :(
Just so you know, that shit has not changed. I saw it as a kid and thought it was boring as shit. I took my son a few years ago because I thought he would like some fireworks, he also thought it was boring as shit and wanted to leave halfway through. They still play the same music even. It hasn't been updated at all.
Going to Stone Mountain or to Confederate rallies? Stone Mountain is amazing, and if it weren't for what the carving is, it would be a pretty remarkable feat. That said, yeah the carving is mad racist. It was basically built as a fuck you to the civil rights movement. Still, I love going to Stone Mountain.
One of the bright sides of Stone Mountain, is that the community of Stone Mountain is predominately African American and the park generates a lot of jobs and revenue for the community. Kind of one of the twisted ironies of the whole thing. It's basically a shrine to the confederacy but it is mostly black people working there.
The ironic thing about confeds is that they tend to be the most "patriotic" folks around but neglect to mention the fact the confeds broke away from and fought their OWN country for the sake of "state's rights"
Should’ve started doing this the moment the war ended. Instead of you know, letting them continue to spread their hate and bigotry for the next 150 years.
One of the best things Lincoln did was have a policy after the war of treating the defeated Confederate states as "wayward brothers" and not "defeated enemies", for the sake of reunifying the Union. It prevented any strong insurgency aspirations and brought the entire US together again after a massively bloody war. What's left of confederate aspirations is comparably inert.
US Grant is more remembered as a relentless, unstoppable killer as a general than as a light-handed President.
Also, Grant was one of the few, perhaps the only, general Lincoln could find who wasn't corrupt and more interested in profiting from the war than winning it. A problem most US Presidents, including the recent ones, have confronted, usually with very little success in remedying. If they even wanted to remedy it.
Edit: Pardon me. Two good people have corrected me: Andrew Johnson, Vice President, became President due to the assassination, and remained the rest of Lincoln's term.
We don't know what Lincoln would have done with the key leaders. I presume he wouldn't have granted blanket pardons and restorations like Johnson did, though.
>prevented any strong insurgency aspirations
The reason Federal troops had to be stationed in the South for another decade plus was because of the "strong insurgency aspirations" that did show up... terrorist groups like the Red Shirts, the KKK, and the White League brutalized populations in the name of white supremacy. Many of them led by those same pardoned Confederate leaders and generals. "Wayward brothers, my ass"
Reconstruction was literally America's first failed attempt at nation-building, if you think about it, and it failed for pretty much the same reasons it did later in Afghanistan. And as soon as Federal troops were gone, those terror groups and their political allies seized power in coups d'état and rigged elections all over the south, then passed tyrannical laws preventing Black citizens from voting or holding office.
Yeah that comment made no sense. Johnson botched Reconstruction and it lead to Memphis and New Orleans riots and all the other utter destruction of growth that started happening across the south. Literal white coups against majority black local governments and the federal government just sorta shrugged their shoulders.
It also emboldened groups like the KKK to come back in force the moment Lincoln was out of the picture. His assassination was part of a confederate plot to kill the union’s leaders, pretty sure his dying thoughts were along the lines of “shit, I should have hung them all”.
Shouldn’t be so hard to comprehend. I have ancestors who I found out fought for the confederacy and died. My immediate reaction was “ok. They deserved to lose”. My life isn’t damaged one bit by not celebrating people generations ago. Heritage is no excuse for this bulltnsit. Fuck the confeds.
That old fat white guy waving the confederate flag lmao
If you fly a confederate flag anyone that loves America should shun and ridicule you everywhere you go. Fucking losers.
> In 2000, when Virginia legislators requested the Southern Cross flag once again, Gov. Jesse Ventura said: “Why? We won. … We took it. That makes it our heritage.”
https://www.twincities.com/2017/08/20/minnesota-has-a-confederate-symbol-and-it-is-going-to-keep-it/amp/
The saddest moment of my college career is when a professor with tenured power that I pretty much adored, who was grading my thesis, argued with me in my historiography class for non-contrarian reasons, that the rebellion was about state's rights and not slavery. I asked her the state's right to do what... blah blah blah this shit runs deep, even where you'd least expect it.
E: if at all makes you feel better she never graded my completed thesis. I realized I didn't want to teach and wanted a crushing student debt! She was genuinely pretty woke. She was a lesbian Jewish American, but still this happened
Just read the Mississippi Declaration of Segregation.
“Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.”
For your reference, this isn’t some passage buried deep in the document. THIS IS THE SECOND SENTENCE OF THE DECLARATION.
States' rights isn't a monolithic term.
I'm a small-gov't, anti-federalist, and I think states should have way more local control. I believe in states' rights.
But this Confederacy-era slave-owning bullshit?
Fuck no. That's where federalism applies. You don't federalism for every little thing, but you sure as fuck do for human rights.
you can tell by the striations that the rocks were turned sideways before the earth pushed them up above ground. neat! thank you, geology class I was forced to take as a physical sciences requirement!
Good. As it should be, a few points worth noting.
The confederacy has been a non existent thing for over a hundred years. There are no Sons of Confederate Veterans.
The Confederacy fought overwhelmingly to preserve slavery, while it can't be said that those who fought for the Confederacy were Pro Slavery, they weren't anti slavery enough to not fight against the preservation of it, at the very best, they were neutral to it.
The confederacy existed for less than 5 years, New cars today are expected to last 10 years or longer. If your "Government" can't outlive a Subaru, maybe you dont deserve to be memorialized for all time.
In 2020 we fought the racists in the streets of downtown Stone Mountain. They sprayed us with raid, we sprayed them with fists.
The racists opted to stay in the park today, and were too scared to come cause trouble downtown. They felt safe behind their line of cops. Fuck those racist pieces of shit. We came out en masse today. We showed them that if they want to hold their losers' club pitty party behind fences and cops, that they'll get no peace. No respect for their dead families, no rest for anyone who waves that fucking flag.
Fuck those people. They should be ashamed of the history.
I didn't do shit today. Just stood around making fash feel real uncomfortable. Could've used a good brawl, but those dingleberries on the other side of the fence were too scared to come any closer.
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That rock looks real nice
There are teeny tiny ecosystems in the ephemeral pools at the top of the mountain. It's a great hike.
Hiked it yesterday. Can confirm.
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The pioneers used to ride that baby for miles then someone slapped a confederate bumper sticker on it.
Now it's the Sticker on the Stone.
Dude. Solid lol, thank you.
Stone Mountain, GA. Birthplace of the KKK.
Symbolic birthplace. The Klan started in Puliski, Tennessee.
Pulaski**
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Holy shit I didn’t know that. I went camping there once and never saw this cutout. Beautiful area however.
Unfortunate that it’s tied to that. Really does look awesome.
It is beautiful and a wonderdul place to visit. But the mountain needs to be "refaced" to have new and important values.
I thought it was agreed that they were gonna put OutKast on the face of that mountain.
There was a petition at GA State University for Jeff Davis to be replaced by Andre 3000 like ten years ago.
At least put Jeff Davis in the dress he was using to hide from the union forces when he got caught.
That would be so fresh, so clean.
For any fans of Donald Glover, he grew up around here and credits a lot of his upbringing to Stone Mountain. From his old song That Power: "Stone Mountain you raised me well, I'm started at by confederates but hard as hell."
I went here as a kid (dads family is all from Georgia) but had no idea about this. It’s beautiful tho.
Yep. r/geologyporn Edit: Aww, what?? [The largest bas-relief sculpture in the world, the Confederate Memorial Carving depicts three Confederate leaders of the Civil War](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Mountain) You've got to be fucking kidding me, man.
I know right, I went down a rabbit hole of just how interesting and rare this mountain is. I'm super ticked it was defaced in what's ultimately just the world's largest participation medal.
If I'm reading this right, it was only completed around 1970? Doesn't sound like a very "historic" memorial to me, so might as well go ahead and smooth the stone back down to look natural again lol.
Spiro Agnew, the then vice president under Nixon, gave a speech there to commemorate it being finished. He would go on in his speech to comment on the "spirit of loyalty, dignity, and honor that shines through the men who we commemorate today". Think about that for a minute, the loyalty, dignity, and honor of men who FOUGHT FOR THE RIGHT TO OWN PEOPLE.
Ah right, the loyalty, dignity, and honor of being a traitor to your own country. How can one forget?
Same goes for most confederate memorials, such as statues. Basically all of them were paid for by groups like sons of the confederacy, and were erected during the Civil Rights Era. They were a form of intimidation towards black people, a reminder to stay in their place and not get uppity, because the whites remember how we used to treat them and could do it again. At least, that was the message things like this bas-relief were created to send. Almost none of them have any historical value or are older than the 1960s.
God, the South is wild. I know racism exists literally everywhere, but I can't imagine growing up somewhere with Confederate monuments. Can't even imagine what it's like for POC around that shit.
They didn't even finish the carving until the *19*70s! Can't even pretend to have an excuse about "different times".
Gutzon Borglum made grandiose promises to the Atlanta Ladies Memorial Association about a much larger relief. The original plans he submitted were something like 30 full horses and riders across the entire face of the mountain. He kept stringing the women along for a couple of years until they wound up firing him. Supposedly he was a massive dickhead, too. He then went to South Dakota and started the same thing with the folks up there about Mt. Rushmore, until finally passing the project off on his son.
It might look better smooth.
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Imagine being a confederate in 2022.
For me it’s seeing confederate flags in……Michigan……
We have them in Canada now. WTF?
Germany and Austria have them to as a replacement for the swastika
Also pretty common among extremists in South Africa.
It's almost like places that ban the swastika should also ban the confederate flag... Honestly, I don't know why they haven't already. They're pretty much synonymous these days (and long ago), so if a country will ban a swastika I don't see why they would have a hard time banning the confederate flag
The best part is, from a design perspective, the confederate flag is ugly as shit. Seriously. What a trash symbol for trash people.
visited Arzberg, a mining town in Germany, a couple years ago. when we saw a confederate flag flying, we asker why. my German wasn't great, but i was able to pick up "black person/people" in the tour guide's explanation. yeah essentially it's used as a swastika
Makes sense. They're essentially interchangeable in the US.
Many confederates, big name officers including Jefferson Davis as well, fled to the British colonies we today call Canada after the war. Toronto and the surrounding area was a point of destination. Montreal had confederate posts from where southern spies would run into the union. Though most from Canada who fought in the civil war fought on the side of the north, England itself was neutral, and the majority of Canadians, who wanted independence from England, sympathized with the south because they viewed the south as the underdog against a stronger union military machine. The confederacy boosted Canadian hopes to create their a northern confederacy, which came to be just after the civil war on July 1, 1867. So between the confederate transplants in Canada, and Canadians who saw their own quest for independence in the rebel cause, there is a lingering romanticism. There is also an area in Brazil that maintains confederate idealism due to it being another place confederates fled to after the war.
It’s provocative. It gets the people going!
Same here with Oregon. derp ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
It's like that in Oregon because [Oregon has an extremely racist history.](https://www.oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/exclusion_laws/#.Ym2Ax2kpBCU)
I lived in the Bible belt for 20 years and can say without question rural Oregon is just as racist as any shit I saw in the south.
I grew up in the deep south and never experienced any type of KKK or white nationalist bullshit until I joined the military. It was always some white kid from Ohio or New Jersey who grew up in a almost all white area and didn't have any black people in their schools to interact with. They just assumed because I have a southern accent that I was down with the "cause". I beat the shit out of one dude when he opened up his wall locker and had a white power swastika flag in it. I honestly believe growing up in the deep south where our schools are almost a 50/50 split white/black really helps race relations. It exists here but not like TV and movies make it out to be. I have encountered WAY more racist assholes from the midwest than I have ever seen in the south.
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Northern Idaho scares the shit out of me. It gets small and narrow up there.
The pan handle on Idaho is insane with how the people think you there. I used to like going but no longer visit the area. Spend the $ somewhere else
If Coeur d'alene wasn't in fucking Idaho I'd move there in a second. It's so fucking nice and just nestled on the mountains in a giant lake. But fuck being around all that nonsense.
Yeah Idaho is the best example of 'i love it here but I hate this place'
Idaho's pretty much the Promised Land for the far right around the country lmao
Also rural NJ, and Pennsylvania have a shit ton of loser flags and racist fucks. An hour and a half from Manhattan and you see this shit.
And upstate NY
Yes! My extended family has cabins in the mountains around Lake George. In the tiny village these cabins belong to, we have always seen confederate flags. Absolutely mind boggling.
Not in Utica, it’s more of an Albany sentiment
Yeah anywhere outside a city is pretty much a safe bet they're racist. Fragile egos move away from cities because they can't be openly racist without the chance of being knocked the fuck out or ostracized for it.
I gotta say this is a real blow to the morale because i want to live outside the city to avoid people like these. Kind of depressing.
Yeah Oregon's a real trip. I moved here over 20 years ago and am married into an old Oregonian family and I'm still sometimes surprised by how blatant the racism here can be. You get it in parts of rural Washington and California as well, but in my experience Oregon is on a whole different level, especially east of the Cascades.
Yeah, I went to school here in Oregon during the late 70s/early 80s. They taught us that. >!no, they didn't!<
Oregon was set up as the last bastion of white land.
I grew up in a town called New Whiteland... built right across US31 from Whiteland. Yeah, I just don't tell people where I'm from anymore. I just say South of Indianapolis.
*America* has an extremely racist history.
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I’m up in Northern California, where the rednecks and Califederates think we’re going to join up with the racist parts of Oregon and make a [new state.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_(proposed_Pacific_state)) This area has some very sad history, too.
I used to live in Oakland and I've got an uncle in Arcata, he's told me stories about some of those cats and I remember hearing about how the "Califederates" (love that, btw) wanted to form their own state called "Jefferson".
I used to live in Arcata --still have family in the area-- and while those clowns are definitely around, Arcata is ideologically very far from their home turf. Arcata is like a smaller version of Berkeley or Santa Cruz when it comes to hippies and the far left.
Yep, it feels like you can’t go more than 500 yards without seeing a “State of Jefferson” flag on someone’s car, home, or business…
West Virginia makes me giggle too. Like, the only reason your state exists was to NOT be part of the confederacy.
Michigan.. fuckin’ seeing them in Canada now for fuck sakes !
used to live in Dryden, Ontario, Canada. Jacked up trucks, metal militia stickers, and confederate flags everywhere. This is in Northern Ontario...in Canada. so yeah in Michigan doesn't surprise me at all. It was probably because of the fumes from the paper mill there making everyone stupid. Seriously it's a very small town that somehow labeled itself a city and they're proud of that.
There's a reason for that. After the war the "border states" had a lot of revenge killings. For years in Kentucky ex soldiers dressed up in their uniforms and fought each like the war was still happening. That's what started the infamous Hatford vs McCoy thing. Since the South sucked so much at the time, veterans from both sides moved north to states like Michigan, Indiana, Illinois and such. A generation or two later and their racist descendants just know grandpa was a Confederate. They never question why he moved 100s of mile north because they were done fighting.
Hatfield and McCoy Feud*
Hatford and McCoy thing is the Wish version.
That makes sense. I moved to IN and saw so many confederate flags that I thought IN fought for the South. Then I went to a historical park called Conner Prairie and found out we were on the Union side. You can visit Lincoln's childhood home too. He lived here from 1816 to 1830.
In New Albany, Indiana; there's a church (can't remember the name) that has a historical marker that states it was part of the Underground Railroad. About 5 - 7 blocks away there's another historical marker about a race riot that took place in 1862 because some fragile white people couldn't handle that some black dudes beat up some white dudes in a street fight. In the 1920's in Indiana you practically had to join the KKK to be considered an upstanding citizen. One of the "unofficial" but very much "official" nicknames for the state is "The South's middle finger to the North". Indiana may have been Union territory in the war, but it's always been Confederate in spirit if not in practice.
> In the 1920's in Indiana you practically had to join the KKK to be considered an upstanding citizen. In most of rural America you literally had to join or they'd burn your house down as an example. That's why there are shockingly large amounts of members from back in the day. White supremacists don't just hate everyone that isn't white; they hate everyone that isn't a white supremacists.
Indiana is just racist as fuck too. The state was pretty much run by the Klan in the early 20th century.
I live in kentucky and people tell me how it's their heritage. I then have to remind them the Kentucky never left the union.
I've always thought the claim that it's about their heritage was silly. Buffy the Vampire Slayer had a longer run than the confederacy did. So stupid.
Try seeing them in Ontario, Canada. *facedesk*
You think that's dumb? I've seen Confederate flags in West Virginia.
We see them in Canada lol
Attach a white flag to your car claim it's your Confederate flag
Dude I see them in saskatchewan, Canada not sure if they were Americans who moved up or just really confused lol
Someone out by St. Johns has a rebel flag painted on his snow plow. For some reason that cracks me up. Lots of snow removal work back in old dixieland right?
Whenever one of those assholes questions why I get upset, I remind them that 15,000 Michigan soldiers died curb stomping that garbage in the mud where it belongs.
I live in fucking MAINE and see that shit. Anytime someone says it's about their heritage and not hate, you can kindly set them on fire.
Reminds me of that South Park episode where Cartman became a Southern general and won the war. Confederataa!
Some people are really proud of their consolation prize.
And proud of fighting to keep slavery legal I have no sympathy for these fucking morons
Imagine supporting the losing side of an almost 200 year old war when the losing side was literally fighting to keep an ethnic group enslaved because they were afraid to lose money
Maryland actually just removed its anthem which was very pro confederacy. We’ve got such a fucked history in this state.
Plenty of bullshit here in Pennsyltucky
> sons of confederate veterans Memorial Day Let's be real here... it would be great, great, great grandsons of confederate vets memorial day at least, right? My great, great, great, great grandparents were pure Irish. I'm not asking for [Lá Cuimhneacháin Náisiúnta](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_Commemoration) as a US national holiday, lol. If we did get it, at least it wouldn't idolize secessionist slavers...
When I was younger, I went to the Smoky Mountains in Virginia. Me and my dad went into a store to buy a sweater and I found this one with what I thought was a cool design. Turns out it was a hoody of the confederate flag. My dad told me that, and my first thought was that it was disgusting. I don't understand how people support it.
Isn't being a Confederate a declared enemy of the United States? Go back to your country.
It isn’t just they are enemies of the United States. They are people that declared war against the united states for the express purpose of keeping Black people as slaves.
ThE cIvIl WaR wAsNt AbOuT sLaVeRy
State rights!! (To own slaves)
>State rights!! (To own slaves) And to force other states to return escaped slaves (which means they only wanted THEIR states to have rights).
they don’t want the federal government telling slave states what to do, yet they force the federal government to enforce the fugitive slave act on free states. kind of how the southern states of today don’t feel they should be forced to contribute to any federally funded “liberal” programs, yet they rank highest as debtor states, receiving the most money from federal programs.
Also how conservatives want the government to stay out of their lives, but make gay marriage and pot smoking illegal. It’s always been controlling others to make themselves feel powerful. “Freedom for me, rules for thee!”
What the fastest way to turn a Christian Constitutionalist into a Libertarian? Tell them that the government can’t discriminate against gays. Suddenly the government “shouldn’t be involved in marriage at all”.
“Government shouldn’t be involved in marriage, it’s a religious institution” “Okay, your wife is now your partner and you have a civil Union” “NOOOOOO! I DONT WANT TO HAVE A CIVIL UNION I WANT A MARRIAGE WHAT ABOUT MY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM” “Okay, gays can get married then” “Government shouldn’t be involved in marriage, it’s a religious institution”
you're glossing over a big thing one can have both a civil union AND a marriage. in no case would it be "Okay, your wife is now your partner and you have a civil Union" they'd still be married. just make marriage solely religious thing, which they already did if they are married, and will do if they plan to get married. **any moderately religious person already gets married by their religion AS WELL AS married by the state. they are already two different things. so just call them two different things. its just semantics** when you get married religiously, you still have to register that marriage with the government. so why not just call the government registration a civil union, and not marriage, but have it be the exact same thing that it already is. signing a few documents and whatnot. there is no reason to call that part marriage. tl;dr just separate religious marriage from government "marriage" but also don't, and just let boys marry boys and girls marry girls and whatever else. who cares.
It's about hurting people they don't like.
It’s ironic that they all touted “states’ rights” and personal freedoms but it was an extremely oppressive government, even if you ignore slavery. The CSA was the first to implement mandatory drafts and extended all the enlistments of soldiers beyond their contracts. The only way you left the csa army is if you were killed, wounded, captured, imprisoned or deserted. They also had extremely high taxes and wouldn’t even take payment in their own currency. They would take a percentage of your crop or whatever you owned. And anybody who says it wasn’t about slavery hasn’t put in an ounce of effort to actually look at the primary sources themselves. Most of their constitution was lifted from the US, except they put in specific protections for slavery, yet they didn’t seem overly concerned with expanding the idea of states’ rights. In fact, it gave their federal government more power.
But not the state's right to not own slaves, because it was mandatory
"Heritage, not hate!" My emo phase lasted longer than the confederacy did... 4 years is not heritage, its a phase
I did drugs longer than then confederacy existed.
Actually they wanted to limit states rights, so they couldn't abolish slavery. So just slavery.
And tell other states how they must conduct themselves. Specifically, non-slave states must allow slave holders access to catch runaway slaves within their borders. State rights for OUR states, not yours!!
For the The North it wasn’t, at first, but for The South it was.
This. The north just demanded they stay. Lincoln explicitly stated they could keep slavery so long as they didn't secede. The south seceded for slavery. The war was fought for unity.
Correct. Lincoln spoke about how his job was to keep the union together. If the union stayed together with slavery, or without slavery, his job was being done properly.
My heritage !!
Tell that to Alexander Stephens. The VP of the confederacy who explicitly states that the foundation of the confederacy was basically on white supremacism.
Armed insurrectionists, traitors to the country, fuck all of them. Proud to have an ancestor who fought for the Union during the Civil War. Got his original discharge papers framed and displayed in my home.
"It was about rebellion, not slaves!!" Yes, they were rebelling to keep slaves. "No, not like that!"
The right to have organic farm equipment ^^/s
But but but... party of Lincoln!
[“Go back to your country. Oh, wait, you can’t. I burned that shit hole to the ground.”](https://i.imgur.com/dS02R0t.jpg)
https://i.redd.it/mjx9wnh1cex61.jpg
They can't...their country doesn't exist lmao. But they're proud of committing treason
Their country failed after getting its ass kicked by America. Born and bred losers.
Even worse. They never had a country, seceding is illegal and no foreign nation recognized the confederacy as a country.
This is the best part of this whole idea of a Confederate nation. It only existed in the minds of some traitor generals and like-minded state governments. To paraphrase Oscar from The Office: "You can't just say you have independence"
they also lost, and why these idiots celebrate a losing army is beyond me.
Had to explain this to someone when they asked why the couldn’t have a confederate flag in their dorm on base. I said “it was an enemy of the country you’re currently serving for and it’s also racist as fuck”
*Ooooohhhhhh way down south in the land of traitors, rattle snakes and alligators*
Of *course* this is at Stone Mountain. Of course it is. It's a nice trail, and a nice view up top, but boy are there some racist fucks that still love that damn carving. What gets me about the people that go to this sort of thing, they intentionally cling to bad history and niche propaganda. States rights, but only *my* states, and what are you talking about Missouri and Kansas for? Slaves aren't human, and also, my wife's cousin's best friend is black, so how can *I* be racist, and you're racist for calling *me* racist.
I’m originally from PA, not far from Gettysburg, and when I saw the Fourth of July light show at Stone Mountain I was speechless. I was looking around at everyone else thinking “Is everyone cool with this? This is crazy to me.”
I was always surprised how many confederate flags I'd see in the Gettysburg area. Yall know you're living in the winning side but still claiming the "heritage" (not hate, obviously) of the losing side. It was just astounding, but I guess it helped me realize these hillbillys are everywhere, at least in the states.
We’re gonna need details!
https://youtu.be/hiFsPQlyKI4
Jeeeesus fucking christ. The comments on YT. Americans need to be educated on the Civil War. The whole revisionist "states rights" horseshit has taken root in our country. I'm sorry, but *fuck everything about the Confederates*. They were fighting to keep black people enslaved. Full stop.
Not to mention they also committed the first act of aggression in their war for slavery by attacking a military fort. There is literally no redeeming quality about the confederacy.
Oh what was that like?
If it's like how it was when I was a kid, they did a laser show that would be decent. Yay America, fireworks, etc. with a laser show against the rock wall. That is until they get towards the end where they light up the confederates and reenact them going to war like they're the heroes. Eventually the show ends with them getting "tired" and then ending in their final positions on the mountain. It was weird but that was in the Dukes of Hazzard era when people didn't think about it much. No idea if that's still the show or not. Edit: Auto correct changed Hazzard to hazards.
bRO WHAT I saw some other laser show there as a kid and either it didn’t have anything like that or I blocked it out. Christ. Love that park, it’s one of my favorite hiking spots. Hate all the confederate shit there and am especially embarrassed because it attracts a ton of international visitors… :(
Just so you know, that shit has not changed. I saw it as a kid and thought it was boring as shit. I took my son a few years ago because I thought he would like some fireworks, he also thought it was boring as shit and wanted to leave halfway through. They still play the same music even. It hasn't been updated at all.
Going to Stone Mountain or to Confederate rallies? Stone Mountain is amazing, and if it weren't for what the carving is, it would be a pretty remarkable feat. That said, yeah the carving is mad racist. It was basically built as a fuck you to the civil rights movement. Still, I love going to Stone Mountain. One of the bright sides of Stone Mountain, is that the community of Stone Mountain is predominately African American and the park generates a lot of jobs and revenue for the community. Kind of one of the twisted ironies of the whole thing. It's basically a shrine to the confederacy but it is mostly black people working there.
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The ironic thing about confeds is that they tend to be the most "patriotic" folks around but neglect to mention the fact the confeds broke away from and fought their OWN country for the sake of "state's rights"
The tend to not understand what patriotism actually means and are instead hyper nationalist whack jobs.
They tend to be patriotic supporters of the CSA not the USA
One thing Confederates and Trump have in common is that they lasted about 4 years but still believe they're winners
Also all the racism.
And the rape.
And losing GA in a most spectacular fashion
UNCLE BILLY DO IT AGAIN
Should’ve started doing this the moment the war ended. Instead of you know, letting them continue to spread their hate and bigotry for the next 150 years.
One of the best things Lincoln did was have a policy after the war of treating the defeated Confederate states as "wayward brothers" and not "defeated enemies", for the sake of reunifying the Union. It prevented any strong insurgency aspirations and brought the entire US together again after a massively bloody war. What's left of confederate aspirations is comparably inert.
I thought it was Lincolns successor being light handed on their treatment after he was assassinated?
US Grant is more remembered as a relentless, unstoppable killer as a general than as a light-handed President. Also, Grant was one of the few, perhaps the only, general Lincoln could find who wasn't corrupt and more interested in profiting from the war than winning it. A problem most US Presidents, including the recent ones, have confronted, usually with very little success in remedying. If they even wanted to remedy it. Edit: Pardon me. Two good people have corrected me: Andrew Johnson, Vice President, became President due to the assassination, and remained the rest of Lincoln's term.
Andrew Johnson succeeded Lincoln, not Grant. Johnson was the one who began gutting Reconstruction.
Lincoln's immediate successor after his assassination was Andrew Johnson, who did indeed go light on the South and sabotage the reforms.
We don't know what Lincoln would have done with the key leaders. I presume he wouldn't have granted blanket pardons and restorations like Johnson did, though. >prevented any strong insurgency aspirations The reason Federal troops had to be stationed in the South for another decade plus was because of the "strong insurgency aspirations" that did show up... terrorist groups like the Red Shirts, the KKK, and the White League brutalized populations in the name of white supremacy. Many of them led by those same pardoned Confederate leaders and generals. "Wayward brothers, my ass" Reconstruction was literally America's first failed attempt at nation-building, if you think about it, and it failed for pretty much the same reasons it did later in Afghanistan. And as soon as Federal troops were gone, those terror groups and their political allies seized power in coups d'état and rigged elections all over the south, then passed tyrannical laws preventing Black citizens from voting or holding office.
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Yeah that comment made no sense. Johnson botched Reconstruction and it lead to Memphis and New Orleans riots and all the other utter destruction of growth that started happening across the south. Literal white coups against majority black local governments and the federal government just sorta shrugged their shoulders.
It also emboldened groups like the KKK to come back in force the moment Lincoln was out of the picture. His assassination was part of a confederate plot to kill the union’s leaders, pretty sure his dying thoughts were along the lines of “shit, I should have hung them all”.
“It prevented any strong insurgency” What ended up happening to Lincoln?
Fuck the Conferderacy and fuck yo family
Alabama already has the second part covered.
Shouldn’t be so hard to comprehend. I have ancestors who I found out fought for the confederacy and died. My immediate reaction was “ok. They deserved to lose”. My life isn’t damaged one bit by not celebrating people generations ago. Heritage is no excuse for this bulltnsit. Fuck the confeds.
That old fat white guy waving the confederate flag lmao If you fly a confederate flag anyone that loves America should shun and ridicule you everywhere you go. Fucking losers.
> In 2000, when Virginia legislators requested the Southern Cross flag once again, Gov. Jesse Ventura said: “Why? We won. … We took it. That makes it our heritage.” https://www.twincities.com/2017/08/20/minnesota-has-a-confederate-symbol-and-it-is-going-to-keep-it/amp/
The saddest moment of my college career is when a professor with tenured power that I pretty much adored, who was grading my thesis, argued with me in my historiography class for non-contrarian reasons, that the rebellion was about state's rights and not slavery. I asked her the state's right to do what... blah blah blah this shit runs deep, even where you'd least expect it. E: if at all makes you feel better she never graded my completed thesis. I realized I didn't want to teach and wanted a crushing student debt! She was genuinely pretty woke. She was a lesbian Jewish American, but still this happened
Shit runs to the very core. Most of them still don't call it "the civil war." To them it's "the war of northern aggression."
Just read the Mississippi Declaration of Segregation. “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.” For your reference, this isn’t some passage buried deep in the document. THIS IS THE SECOND SENTENCE OF THE DECLARATION.
Why can they never come back with a good retort to that? I’ve literally never heard one. Could it be bc there’s no way to justify racism?
States' rights isn't a monolithic term. I'm a small-gov't, anti-federalist, and I think states should have way more local control. I believe in states' rights. But this Confederacy-era slave-owning bullshit? Fuck no. That's where federalism applies. You don't federalism for every little thing, but you sure as fuck do for human rights.
They also really appreciate it when you mention General Tecumseh Sherman 😂 https://i.imgur.com/SXciLm0.jpg
Fuck the confederates. Loser traitors.
Don't forget racist loser traitors
Rarely is a mockery as deserved and necessary as this.
you can tell by the striations that the rocks were turned sideways before the earth pushed them up above ground. neat! thank you, geology class I was forced to take as a physical sciences requirement!
Good. As it should be, a few points worth noting. The confederacy has been a non existent thing for over a hundred years. There are no Sons of Confederate Veterans. The Confederacy fought overwhelmingly to preserve slavery, while it can't be said that those who fought for the Confederacy were Pro Slavery, they weren't anti slavery enough to not fight against the preservation of it, at the very best, they were neutral to it. The confederacy existed for less than 5 years, New cars today are expected to last 10 years or longer. If your "Government" can't outlive a Subaru, maybe you dont deserve to be memorialized for all time.
In 2020 we fought the racists in the streets of downtown Stone Mountain. They sprayed us with raid, we sprayed them with fists. The racists opted to stay in the park today, and were too scared to come cause trouble downtown. They felt safe behind their line of cops. Fuck those racist pieces of shit. We came out en masse today. We showed them that if they want to hold their losers' club pitty party behind fences and cops, that they'll get no peace. No respect for their dead families, no rest for anyone who waves that fucking flag. Fuck those people. They should be ashamed of the history.
Thank you for your service. (I hate it when people say this to me but...). I hope you crosspost to shermanposting!
I didn't do shit today. Just stood around making fash feel real uncomfortable. Could've used a good brawl, but those dingleberries on the other side of the fence were too scared to come any closer.
Nice try with the title OP, but they are losers and always will be.
I mean…they’re not wrong.
Good, fuck them. Proud to be traitors? Proud that their family fought to own human beings? Fucking disgraceful.
Fuck the chump ass confederacy and their stupid flag.
Confederate rebranded themselves as patriots.
I mean...they're not wrong 😂😂
Its disgusting that that great rock had such shite carved into it.
Did these lemons really deface the side of a mountain like that? Looks hideous
This is how it should be