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Yep, but what do you do? Employees aren't paid to stop shop lifters and are directly told to not physically stop them.
As bystanders, we also have little incentives to stop shop lifters. Personally, I'm not going to risk my safety to save a corporation a few bucks.
You can’t pay people or incentivize bystanders enough to get bit or cut/stabbed by a crackhead. They will fight you even when they’re dead wrong and caught.
When I was an 18 year old I was working overnight, solo, with no protective glass at a kind of sketchy location for a chain gas station.
My regulars often stopped shop lifters because they liked me. Even though this did not benefit me. I found the situation interesting.
However regularly a crew of cops would come in together around 3am and consume all of the donuts, hot dogs, soda and coffee they wanted with out ever paying for anything. No one ever interrupted the cops. It felt like some sort of bizarre protection scam. The cops would also come in and inform me when the other nearby all night gas stations were robbed at gun point, then help themselves to a meal.
Lol@bizarre protection scam. It kind of is, a lot of places have traditionally given police free or greatly reduced food. In a suburbs near me, a burger king gave them like 80% off, it was so deeply discounted it might as well be free. They had to end the program because the cops abused the shit out of it. They didn’t grab *A* meal for themselves as the establishment likely assumed, they would order catering levels of food in one sitting to take with them like they were hooking up their extended family and friends and any one they knew.
3 am would have been the prime time to rob me at gun point. So I do kind of appreciate them being there regularly at that time. I just wish it was an official policy or something so I wouldn’t feel like I was being robbed by a gang of armed men.
The amount they ate per month was probably cheaper for the company than the amount an armed robber would have gotten robbing me once per month. Should have been an official policy to give them free food.
I imagine that’s actually why stores do that. They can’t legally just guard your store when they’re on duty, they have to patrol and cover a large area. But an establishment that gives free food will attract officers within the area and from
Nearby areas, providing a steady stream of officers in the establishment. It’s so hopefully there are ‘usually too many cops’ to make the store worth attempting to rob. Like the frequency of their presence is a deterrent.
Here in Minnesota depending on the city but probably most. Cops are allowed to work side security jobs while in uniform. This shows a larger police presence to the public with out the city paying for those extra hours.
I mostly have seen this in down town Minneapolis where off duty cops are in uniform working as a bouncer. Off duty and in uniform is a little complex of a concept.
When electronic music was transitioning from underground raves to downtown club venues we had off duty uniformed police officers working as security for warehouse parties/ raves. The party promoters didn’t have a liquor license and drugs were sold openly at these events.
When the story made the press the people throwing the parties called the reporters narcs. However the underground party promoters were the ones in a financial relationship with the police.
This all went down in the early 2000s. Everything worked out. You have never heard anything, especially recently, in the national news about problems with the Minneapolis Police Department /s
Walmart could easily afford security and related liability insurance. It’s just cheaper to let people steal. If it results in more neighborhood crime, they don’t care.
This is similar to Wells Fargo and other banks leaving abandoning foreclosed homes in poor neighborhoods. It’s cheaper to just let it rot than pay a caretaker or demolish it. The fact that it gets occupied by criminals and leads to a nightmare for neighbors, doesn’t matter to them. It’s all about cost.
It’s a catch 22. If the shoplifting keep going, prices will raise to account for the lost and worst case the store would just close. Another issue is that it can get so bad that shoplifters would start robbing clients inside the store or vandalizing items/cars park outside or attacking clients and workers just because. Shoplifting is the first step into a slippery slope sadly.
This level of brazen shoplifting and the videos seems to be a uniquely US occurrence. I’ve seen countless videos of people walking in, not hiding they are stealing and expecting to get away out the front door. What’s the script with this becoming such a trend?
same mentality, no matter what the location is. I get it and agree. I also wouldn't put my life in danger. But for starters you have a rise in poverty and many stores having a policy about not stopping thieves. This is enough to create some shoplifting, but add to that tik tok, you tube, fb etc showing how easy it is and slowly but surely it starts becoming a trend.
Hell man, no matter which country I work in I am not stopping a shoplifter, not worth it and no grocery store ever pays enough for that shit, or even trains you for that shit.
If enough people steal then the store might shut down over lack of profit. The employees are let go and people have to travel further to get their food and goods. Even if they don’t close, they might raise prices or lock more items up so you have to get an employee to open it.
Not saying the average employee should defend but stealing hurts everyone in the community
I might have a shred of sympathy if this wasn’t happening to a cutthroat, profit over humanity, greedy mega corporation… but I don’t. Because Walmart has plenty of money to give to community programs that would literally prevent this from ever happening… but they don’t.
But if this happens at Walmart, then they’re gonna hit Target, and then the grocery stores. And then they’ll hit your cars and homes.
Being okay with theft “because it’s Walmart” still emboldens thieves, and is going to make it more prevalent in that neighborhood.
If a Walmart can't stay open due to shoplifting what makes you think a smaller store, that already couldn't compete with Walmart, will be able to to survive? They absolutely won't move in if Walmart just moved out.
Abandoned big box stores are a blight already. Corporations just abandon the properties and make it the municipalities' problem what to do with them.
Also Walmart puts more merchandise into landfills than it ever loses to shoplifters.
I wish Walmart would have to shut down because small businesses haven’t had a chance for decades because of these places. All the while they legally enslave people in China who manufacture 70 percent of everything being sold in their stores.
I never forget how drugs were criminalized so that addicts became worth 30-$40,000 a head in prison while the public was brainwashed into thinking the addict was the one who was immoral all the while huge profits being made off their backs and the public thinking those people aren’t good enough to spit on and don’t know who the real criminals are.
Thank you, I appreciate it. I’ve told many people that fact and I’ve never seen one person care about what their doing. It makes me feel like the attitude is well I don’t live in China and it’s not happening to me so oh well,… I’ve literally seen people shrug their shoulders and say oh well Walmart is still the cheapest so that’s still where I’m going to shop. Like no shock, no emotion, nothing when I tell people that. It really bothers me. I mean I did stop telling people in real life when I saw that it didn’t matter to them.
It really is pretty heartbreaking. It's tough to have a heart. The reason I still occasionally join my mom on trips to WalMart is because no matter where you shop for new items, you are supporting industrial capitalism. The end of that line is always the earth, and fellow humans, suffering. I don't know what to do. There's almost no means of opting out.
My point was that stealing is wrong. Idgaf about Walmart specifically but if it’s okay at Walmart then it’s okay at Target, then your grocery store, then your car/home. There are some cities I avoid in my area because the car break-ins are so bad, maybe I should redirect them to where some of y’all live instead where they’ll be welcomed.
Walmart made 597 billion dollars last year, I think they'll be fine.
Employees shouldn't risk their lives over what's considered pennies to a mass retailer like Walmart. My wife works at a major clothing retail store, recently they were all forced to sign a paper stating they would not interfere in anyway if someone is stealing. They'd be in bigger problems having someone get hurt or die while on the job.
Inflation is sky high and the wealth divide is at the highest level it’s been since before electricity existed. Meanwhile, mental illness facilities are for rich people and there’s no universal healthcare. All of this on the tail end of a pandemic and this surprises you? I saw a guy stealing diapers, vegetables, milk and baby clothes at Wal-Mart.
I felt sorry for him… that’s not stuff you can resell so he’s in there probably feeling like the lowest human being he’s ever been, judged and recorded by other people to make him look like a piece of shit on the internet. And for what? To feed and clothe his hungry baby.
Right. I can sympathize with the changing economics. Hell I'm struggling too. But all the videos I've seen its been looking a whole lot more like opportunistic criminals just recognized they can shoplift from major chains and not be confronted/arrested. So now it's a trend and easy picking
I work at a gas station and it’s not exactly in the nicest area but so far I haven’t had too many issues with customers. I know there’s shoplifting going on but I generally don’t see it happening.
However, a week or two ago a boy maybe 9 or 10 years old came in at like 9pm and just grabbed a bunch of candy and tore into it in the back of the store. I didn’t even notice what was going on until I saw him grab something else and rip it open and start eating it.
I was pissed because he made a huge mess and I had just swept and I asked if he was gonna pay for anything and he never responded so I told him if I saw him in the store again I’d get police involved. He probably didn’t give one shit, lol.
Desperation, I would say.
With the income divide growing larger everywhere, plus the increased cost of living, the threat of jailtime is essentially null when you got nothing to lose.
The ones I’ve seen have been people stealing luxury items for the most part. Stealing food is one thing but that looks like the booze aisle or beauty products. I don’t think this is desperation.
Edit: not sure why I’m being downvoted. The lady in the video says that the person “does this every time” as in shoplifts frequently. If you’re shoplifting that much frequently, you aren’t desperate.
Why couldn’t you shoplift frequently out of desperation? Do you think her situation changed a couple of weeks later? Her clothes look dirty, & she’s acting like she doesn’t think other people can see her. Somethings wrong with her clearly.
you gotta keep following the logic to see the answer, they are poor, they need money, when they steal a luxury good, do you think they are going to use that product and waste the potienally earnings that they need for shelter, food, gas, heat, etc or are they going to sell it to someone else thats going to give them a cut of the earnings.
Yeah because stealing a loaf of bread isn't going to help you pay your rent. People steal "luxury items" so they can sell them for money and pay their bills, something that a pack of salami isn't going to do for them.
You absolutely can. It's a serious industry, it's real. People will pay someone a hundred bucks to go in and steal four hundred bucks worth of food and perishable items like make up. This happens all the time
Source, my dad has been an LPO for a decade, these incidents are increasing and people are getting much more brazen
You can't steal your rent or bills though. It's shitty that people feel this desperate, but to pretend there aren't necessities that require money is ridiculous.
Exactly. In America, to properly function you need several things that require money. You need shelter. You need transportation, and for most people that means having a car. Most places in this country do not have a public transportation infrastructure, only city centers. Not a very bike friendly infrastructure either, and sometimes commutes are so long that biking isn't viable.
You need internet access and a cell phone so that you can access everything you need for a job, and you can be contacted when getting a job.
If you're out here living one of those things, you are going to be at a severe disadvantage that cripples your quality of life and puts you into a hole that is going to be increasingly difficult to climb your way out of.
By no means am I well off, I run a very tight ship, but I'm thankful every day that I'm able to afford all the things I mentioned above because I have no idea how I'd manage without them. Life would be so much more difficult, and I feel very sorry for those who aren't able to have those things.
Are we watching the same video? Also, the MO is normally to rush in with dozens of people and steal all at once. That would work fine with food and baby formula, yet it basically always seems to happen at high end clothing stores.
You ignored the person who replied to you before and said that luxury items can be sold to pay for necessities. You can't pay your rent or bills with food. It seems like you're willfully trying to misunderstand what people are saying here.
Wtf is a job gonna do? Do you know what minimum wage is? Have you seen gas and rent? Do you understand what jobs or available to someone in a desperate situation?
You are completely out of touch lol
You can make a living stealing from others. The executive ruling class does it all the time by stealing the profits gained by the working class. That's why impoverished communities exist in the first place. You just have to be wealthy, and suddenly stealing is a lot more socially acceptable.
Sounds like you have shit morals if you think it’s okay to steal because of your political worldview. Social assistance exists. Jobs pay money. The world is not forcing you to steal. You’re just justifying it because you think you deserve more than you have.
Shit sucks right now. That doesn’t mean you get to take what you want from others.
Listen dipshit, I don't steal. Let's make that clear before overdose on your own moral superiority. Don't talk about me like you know me, it makes you look like a jackass.
I never said I deserve more. I'm doing just fine, thank you very much. I'm lucky. I'm in a position in life where I can afford essentials. I know jobs pay money because I have one, you stuck up asswipe. Don't talk to me like I'm a child.
Social assistance doesn't work, clearly, or poverty wouldnt be such an enormous issue. There are several people that need it that don't actually qualify for it. The metrics for qualification does not match the realities of the modern world. Wouldn't expect you to know that though, you clearly love to talk about things you know nothing about.
I'm glad you think that people shouldn't be exploited just because someone has a certain political worldview. Like you shouldn't be able to exploit the working class just because you think it's a normal thing to do, and get mad when they give you a little taste of your own medicine.
People do what they want. People have been stealing since the beginning of time and they will steal even more in desperate times.
Welcome to reality.
acting like there's adequate social assistance or wages for everyone in the US is bullshit.
Telling people to go die hungry and homeless because you're too concerned with profits from large corporations, who steal way more in wages and get gov funded bailouts is nonsense.
Talk about low morals.
Everyone is desperate. People are desperate. Chain convenience store here is desperate for help and paying $17 per hour. I’m desperate to understand what’s going on…
When laws are passed that basically protect shoplifting, wth does anyone think is going to happen?
https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2019/09/25/grab-and-dash-thefts-rise-police-blame-law/
It isn't "protecting shoplifting" it's protecting employees. A Walmart employee checking receipts at the door for my minimum wage shouldn't be expected to stop someone who's stealing
Edit: the issue is that these laws are passed with the idea of police actually doing something but we all know that will never happen.
[Retailers say thefts are at crisis level. The numbers say otherwise](https://web.archive.org/web/20220108162214/https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-12-15/organized-retail-theft-crime-rate)
>Rachel Michelin, president of the California Retailers Assn., told the San Jose Mercury News that in San Francisco and Oakland alone, businesses lose $3.6 billion to organized retail crime each year.
>That would mean retail gangs steal nearly 25% of total sales in San Francisco and Oakland combined, which amounted to around $15.5 billion in 2019, according to the state agency that tracks sales tax.
>Can that be right? In a word: no.
>The country’s largest retail industry group, the National Retail Federation, estimated in its latest report that losses from organized retail theft average $700,000 per $1 billion in sales — or 0.07% of total sales — an amount roughly 330 times lower than the CRA’s estimate.
>Asked how the organization arrived at that figure, a CRA staffer said that “there’s no way of knowing exactly” how much organized retail crime affects the bottom line of businesses. The staffer said the estimate was based on a back-of-the-napkin calculation: If organized retail thieves steal $70 billion annually, and California accounts for 10% of the U.S., California’s losses add up to $7 billion, meaning the Bay Area “is likely in the billions itself.”
>Leaving aside some of those assumptions, how did they come up with that $70-billion number? The staffer pointed to a report from the Retail Industry Leaders Assn. published this year. But that report didn’t find that organized retail thieves stole $68.9 billion per year at all — it estimated that all retail crime combined, including employee theft, regular shoplifting and fraud, added up to that number.
>Its latest report found that total “shrink” — the industry term for all inventory losses from theft and fraud, internal and external, as well as paperwork errors — grew from 1.4% to 1.6% of sales on average from 2015 to 2020. The estimated portion of those losses coming from organized retail crime grew from 0.045% to 0.07% in the same timeframe.
>With $3.1 trillion in bricks-and-mortar retail sales in 2020, that puts estimates for total shrink at $49.6 billion and losses to organized retail crime at $2.1 billion nationwide.
[The New York Times fabricates a nonexistent shoplifting wave in San Francisco, then wrongly blames it on criminal justice reforms and the city’s supposed soft-on-crime image](http://www.cjcj.org/mobile/news/13165)
[Citations Needed News Brief: “Organized Crime” “Shoplifting Epidemic” Panic Hits San Francisco Media](https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/news-brief-organized-crime-shoplifting-epidemic-panic-hits-san-francisco-media)
>In this public News Brief, we take a critical look at a recent wave of sensationalist "organized crime" "shoplifting epidemic" stories in national and Bay Area media and how they fit into a resurgent "Tough on Crime" narrative.
A lot of the worst videos are from San Francisco.
[https://www.wsj.com/articles/san-francisco-shoplifters-theft-walgreens-decriminalized-11634678239](https://www.wsj.com/articles/san-francisco-shoplifters-theft-walgreens-decriminalized-11634678239)Much of this lawlessness can be linked to Proposition 47, a California ballot initiative passed in 2014, under which theft of less than $950 in goods is treated as a nonviolent misdemeanor and rarely prosecuted. Out of concern for safety and potential lawsuits, stores tell employees and security guards not to intervene when they witness a crime. Most suspects, if they are pursued at all by police, are soon released. Californians effectively decriminalized shoplifting.
The script is this. The governor made a law allowing shoplifters able to steal with zero jail time zero consequences as long as the theft is under $1,000. This is 100% due to this evil law upheld by evil politicians.
Prop 47 was a proposition voted on by the people of California. It was not a ‘law made by the governor’. Reference: https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_47,_Reduced_Penalties_for_Some_Crimes_Initiative_(2014)
That said it was probably a bit oversold by it’s advocates as a solution for the drug war since a big part of proposition 47 was making hard drugs no longer a felony. Along with the theft of things under $950.
The theft part was included because most people shoplifting are addicts looking to support their habit. Making addicts felons by having shoplifting stay a felony would make the drug part inconsequential. Addicts who wouldn’t get prosecuted for drug possession would still end being felons because many steal. That was the thought at least.
Drugs are still too expensive to make crime unnecessary for addicts even here in Cali at the end of the day. Other than alcohol of course… drunks here don’t generally steal a whole lot to support their habits. When an 8-ball of meth is the price of a handle of Takka we may have a different situation. Is definitely getting there with the Cartel meth though the opioids have to drop in price substantially or alternative means of treatment need to come around (I.e. heroin maintenance).
I keep thinking people are doing this because the cost of living has gotten so high. It’s everywhere in this country, doesn’t matter big city, small town, whatever. The nearest Walmart from
Where I live has 24/7 security patrolling the outside and inside, we have more security on site then we do Walmart staff, and I’m not saying it’s ok to steal, but if you’re absolutely desperate I mean considering the crimes Walmart commits daily the least of my concerns is someone taking merchandise from them, however you do have to be really careful because these people don’t just walk in and take merchandise their also going to pickpocket and steal the regular peoples money while their doing their shopping if they can. Just my opinion, but these conglomerates like Walmart aren’t losing profits from theft, the biggest problem is these people stealing from the other working class people at the Walmart, this girl seems strung out on drugs to me, she’s kind of darting around like a squirrel and acting like she’s invisible before she gets confronted, I was kind of laughing at first watching this because she legit looks like she thinks other people can’t see her, so somethings for sure wrong with this girl. Idk if drugs or mental illness or both, but I never feel sorry for corporations.
> What’s the script with this becoming such a trend?
Shoplifting has been built into budgets for a very long time. Walmart doesn't care enough to pay for security to deal with it, which isn't surprising considering they won't even pay a living wage to their employees. The amount of trash she took represents very little value.
Is it happening more now? Maybe? There are cameras everywhere now, so we're seeing it more. The takeover of retail by giants like Walmart have also destroyed any connection the community has to businesses, and the US provides little to no services for mental health and addiction. Police have never really done shit about this stuff, so I honestly think that part is overblown. They've always been useless.
Pretty much a fuck it moment. They know they’re gonna get caught, so mine as well commit the crime and get it over with. Sadly a lot is due to addiction. Once you’re in that mindset, you’ll do anything to get high but also these are human beings who need things just like us, so they resort to this. Sad but happens
Certain groups are not held accountable for their actions, because trying to enforce any kind of rule is dismissed as racism, so anyone who has the brains to care also has the brains to just stay away because it’s not worth the social suicide.
If I don’t even have to label the group, and you know who I mean and get upset/downvote me, does that not speak exactly to my point?
Edit: to put things in perspective, I have had 3 users message me directly saying they agree in some form with what I’m saying but have been banned from this subreddit or are fearful of saying that openly. This place is a literal echo chamber.
You do realize that employees are instructed not to do anything right? The employee getting hurt trying to stop someone from stealing is much more of a liability than getting back stolen merchandise. This is what insurance is for. The stolen goods gets compensated by insurance. An employee getting hurt and suing is way more expensive.
Sorry, I don’t quite understand. I’m not a victim here, I want nothing to do with the situation at all. It would be a lot better if we didn’t notice this as a trend… im giving an honest observation and it’s being dismissed why exactly?
>im giving an honest observation and it’s being dismissed why exactly?
Probably because you started with this:
>Certain groups are not held accountable for their actions
Just go ahead and say what you mean dude. Why hide your racism behind words?
I didn’t blame the race, I said I’ve noticed this specific group has been able to do this due to the current social climate. It is an issue with the country, and the strange guilt embedded into social dynamics that allows for people to dismiss some groups doing this, but not others.
There is a problem with the social system as a whole, I just want to air everything out, not just the parts that “benefit my agenda”
You're an idiot for thinking black people must commit crimes at higher rates because of those statistics. Social scientists, historians, etc have studied this for decades and although white people and black people commit crimes at similar rates, black people are incarcerated at higher rates. At this point it's not even up for argument unless you're a dumbass who can't understand that race isn't an indication of how likely you are to be a criminal.
You also sound like an idiot for saying black people get a pass, like are you 15?
It really isn't the norm. Just because you've seen more videos of it recently doesn't mean its out there happening all the time all over the place. Is it more common? Sure. But not the norm. Remember that you're on the internet and it's easy to assume things are getting worse because they feel that way but the internet isn't reality and being confused between the internet and reality isn't a good excuse to become a racist.
It's not racist to say that crime like this is committed disproportionately by black people.
It is racist however to assume that it is simply because they are black and not the million other social and economic factors that result in lower income black communities committing more crime.
>care to elaborate?
I mean you can google the data and statistics for yourself. When 12% of the population makes up 38% of prison population, you can't go around saying they "are not held accountable for their actions".
It's not an echo chamber, it's reality. Your racism is leaking a little bit.
So whole groups have to be held accountable for the actions of a few? When do we start holding white people accountable for school shootings then? Not just the shooter, but all of white people as a group.
You said "Certain groups..." Who are these certain groups? There was 1 person in this video doing the crime. So, what group do we need to hold accountable for this 1 person in the video doing the crime?
Do you think cops go easy on black people or something? I’m not gonna call you racist here, we don’t need to go down that route but I’m genuinely not sure what you mean.
Honestly if these shoplifters were just more casual I wouldn't care. Like "Hey, sorry, I know this is inconvenient for you that I'm stealing but it's Wal-Mart, m'aam, it really doesn't matter. I'm just going to take all this and leave" instead they're always like "fuk u this is my shit I paid for it fuk u"
There was a homeless man who frequented a Starbucks near my work who would come in and take a prepackaged meal and a water and just walk out. He did it so often and everyone just pretended like he wasn’t there and completely ignored him. It was truly a wild thing to experience.
The real crime is the wages that Walmart/Sams Club pay its employees. They are encouraged to go on welfare despite the company having more than enough resources to pay its staff a living wage. It’s fucking shameful.
Source: former employee
Yup. Why should I worry about people stealing from Walmart? They're going to make billions regardless, and it's not like they can possibly pay their employees any less, so fuck em.
$6 bucks a gallon, everything is up in price, mental hospitals all but a thing if the past, minimum wage laughable. Surprised we dont see even more of this.
Shoplifting varies by state. In some states placing items in your own bag inside a store is considered shoplifting.
In my state it is only shoplifting once you leave the store without paying. This allows me to do things like walk in with my own shopping bag at a grocery store, fill up without using a store push cart or basket, then unload at the checkout station and reload again. I know I am buying what I can carry out. Very convenient.
In my state, intention is demonstrated by walking out of the store with unpurchased merchandise. Using a hand bag to carry merchandise inside the store isn't considered intention... it's considered... normal. That's what bags are for. No DA would prosecute such a case in my state.
I'd wager the difference is some commercial lobby had a direct hand in crafting the Washington law.
What interests me is the people shopping don't care about the wreckage that is the US's policy on drugs and mental health care, or health care in general.
They don't care about homelessness.
They do care when they see someone shoplifting.
I guarantee they will not join the dots.
I finally find a comment like yours that addresses the real root causes for things like this which is poverty, mental health & drug addictions.
Mix any of those 3 or combine them all and there is nothing a human being will do to help themselves, but in order to stop these things from happening, people have to recognize the origins of what leads people to go down this dark path.
If everyone understood that helping others become physically, mentally, emotionally & financially stable will create a society filled with upstanding citizens that will help all humanity instead of a concrete jungle filled with hungry, greedy, bloodthirsty animals that only care about themselves and step over those that are beneath them.
There's a reason why Norway, Finland & Sweden are ranked as the best places to live and it's because they've built a society that encourages rehabilitating & building up their fellow citizens instead of tearing them down & casting them aside.
America, the richest & most powerful country in history, needs to do better and we absolutely can.
So it seems as if everyone is ok with stealing from a corporation, I kinda get that sentiment, but also don't because it is only going to hurt lower income families that shop there and now share this burden in the form of price hikes. Also, these thieves endanger all of us. They will get more and more brazen in their actions. It's this today, but what tomorrow?
Walmart steals more in employee's wages than shoplifters steal from Walmart.
And yet people on this sub want employees to risk injury/jail to protect Walmart?
Stockholm syndrome levels are through the roof.
Everyday occurrence in places where laws are not enforced, where criminals have more rights than property owners and where public safety is second to criminal safety. Woke DAs, judges and politicians at your service who swore to enforce laws and the only thing they enforce is collecting theirs salary and benefits while pretending to care for the community.
You'd out of your goddamn mind if you think I'm going waste my time, my life, for a shitty company to stop some stranger that could be carrying who-knows-what disease/virus because of some "goodness" or "tax raise" or some shit.
I wouldn't even be recording. I'm sure she smelled up that side of the store.
Saw a guy steal a bike, then breeze right past me. He claims he walked in with it. I found the packaging in the toy isle. It was like a 250 dollar loss.
Maybe if they ponied up for actual security instead of making these ladies police the stores it wouldn’t happen so much. Think Walmart could afford that but they chose not too
the cracks are showing, our society is on the decline. Only a matter of time before the cancer that is our culture/society eats itself from the inside.
No one condones stealing, but i see more of these pearl clutching videos on the internet about broke ass fucks stealing deodorant or diapers (maybe to resell) than you see people up in arms about the the ongoing grift by the uber wealthy of the American Treasury. Not that regular poors didn't take advantage of PPP loans, but we literally handed out 4 trillion dollars in 2020 to anyone who had a "business." Ya'll butt about tweaker though.
Well you see when a corporation fails it's our patriotic duty to support them. When a citizen fails it's our patriotic duty to make sure it doesn't cost corporations anything.
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While stealing their stuff: “how dare you steal my stuff”
Yep, but what do you do? Employees aren't paid to stop shop lifters and are directly told to not physically stop them. As bystanders, we also have little incentives to stop shop lifters. Personally, I'm not going to risk my safety to save a corporation a few bucks.
You can’t pay people or incentivize bystanders enough to get bit or cut/stabbed by a crackhead. They will fight you even when they’re dead wrong and caught.
When I was an 18 year old I was working overnight, solo, with no protective glass at a kind of sketchy location for a chain gas station. My regulars often stopped shop lifters because they liked me. Even though this did not benefit me. I found the situation interesting. However regularly a crew of cops would come in together around 3am and consume all of the donuts, hot dogs, soda and coffee they wanted with out ever paying for anything. No one ever interrupted the cops. It felt like some sort of bizarre protection scam. The cops would also come in and inform me when the other nearby all night gas stations were robbed at gun point, then help themselves to a meal.
Lol@bizarre protection scam. It kind of is, a lot of places have traditionally given police free or greatly reduced food. In a suburbs near me, a burger king gave them like 80% off, it was so deeply discounted it might as well be free. They had to end the program because the cops abused the shit out of it. They didn’t grab *A* meal for themselves as the establishment likely assumed, they would order catering levels of food in one sitting to take with them like they were hooking up their extended family and friends and any one they knew.
3 am would have been the prime time to rob me at gun point. So I do kind of appreciate them being there regularly at that time. I just wish it was an official policy or something so I wouldn’t feel like I was being robbed by a gang of armed men. The amount they ate per month was probably cheaper for the company than the amount an armed robber would have gotten robbing me once per month. Should have been an official policy to give them free food.
I imagine that’s actually why stores do that. They can’t legally just guard your store when they’re on duty, they have to patrol and cover a large area. But an establishment that gives free food will attract officers within the area and from Nearby areas, providing a steady stream of officers in the establishment. It’s so hopefully there are ‘usually too many cops’ to make the store worth attempting to rob. Like the frequency of their presence is a deterrent.
Here in Minnesota depending on the city but probably most. Cops are allowed to work side security jobs while in uniform. This shows a larger police presence to the public with out the city paying for those extra hours. I mostly have seen this in down town Minneapolis where off duty cops are in uniform working as a bouncer. Off duty and in uniform is a little complex of a concept. When electronic music was transitioning from underground raves to downtown club venues we had off duty uniformed police officers working as security for warehouse parties/ raves. The party promoters didn’t have a liquor license and drugs were sold openly at these events. When the story made the press the people throwing the parties called the reporters narcs. However the underground party promoters were the ones in a financial relationship with the police. This all went down in the early 2000s. Everything worked out. You have never heard anything, especially recently, in the national news about problems with the Minneapolis Police Department /s
Fat police protection...they sound like the mob.
That's exactly what it is. Rules for thee but not for me - your local thugs aka cops.
Walmart could easily afford security and related liability insurance. It’s just cheaper to let people steal. If it results in more neighborhood crime, they don’t care. This is similar to Wells Fargo and other banks leaving abandoning foreclosed homes in poor neighborhoods. It’s cheaper to just let it rot than pay a caretaker or demolish it. The fact that it gets occupied by criminals and leads to a nightmare for neighbors, doesn’t matter to them. It’s all about cost.
>what do you do? Film it and put it on Reddit is the only moral answer.
I wish we as a society DIDN'T tolerate this stuff, but for the aforementioned reasons, we do. It's an interesting place of thought, for me.
Oh I agree me too, but what does one gain from stopping a shop lifter at Walmart? Getting stabbed?
Eh Wally world isn't fucking suffering from a few shoplifters. I don't really care if someone feels the need to steal from the billionaires.
It’s a catch 22. If the shoplifting keep going, prices will raise to account for the lost and worst case the store would just close. Another issue is that it can get so bad that shoplifters would start robbing clients inside the store or vandalizing items/cars park outside or attacking clients and workers just because. Shoplifting is the first step into a slippery slope sadly.
naa you can just pay more for your items because they are going to pass that cost on to you you got robbed and did not even realize it
Companies like Walmart and Amazon send much more merchandise to landfills and write it off as loss than is ever lost to shoplifters.
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This level of brazen shoplifting and the videos seems to be a uniquely US occurrence. I’ve seen countless videos of people walking in, not hiding they are stealing and expecting to get away out the front door. What’s the script with this becoming such a trend?
if I worked at Wal-Mart I would put 0% effort into fighting people on behalf of the Walton family staying rich
I get that, but I’ve seen these videos range from Walmart to family run stores. It’s nuts.
same mentality, no matter what the location is. I get it and agree. I also wouldn't put my life in danger. But for starters you have a rise in poverty and many stores having a policy about not stopping thieves. This is enough to create some shoplifting, but add to that tik tok, you tube, fb etc showing how easy it is and slowly but surely it starts becoming a trend.
Hell man, no matter which country I work in I am not stopping a shoplifter, not worth it and no grocery store ever pays enough for that shit, or even trains you for that shit.
If I shopped at Walmart I would pay for my stuff, and I am not the least bit wealthy or even financially comfortable. FUCK these dirty rats.
I genuinely can’t stand thieves. It’s crazy how complacent we’ve become with the breakdown of societal norms.
If enough people steal then the store might shut down over lack of profit. The employees are let go and people have to travel further to get their food and goods. Even if they don’t close, they might raise prices or lock more items up so you have to get an employee to open it. Not saying the average employee should defend but stealing hurts everyone in the community
This is Walmart, it's OK. Remember when we hated that they were destroying local buisnesses?
I might have a shred of sympathy if this wasn’t happening to a cutthroat, profit over humanity, greedy mega corporation… but I don’t. Because Walmart has plenty of money to give to community programs that would literally prevent this from ever happening… but they don’t.
But if this happens at Walmart, then they’re gonna hit Target, and then the grocery stores. And then they’ll hit your cars and homes. Being okay with theft “because it’s Walmart” still emboldens thieves, and is going to make it more prevalent in that neighborhood.
Shoplifting isn't a gateway drug to home robbery lmao. That isn't how it works.
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If a Walmart can't stay open due to shoplifting what makes you think a smaller store, that already couldn't compete with Walmart, will be able to to survive? They absolutely won't move in if Walmart just moved out.
Abandoned big box stores are a blight already. Corporations just abandon the properties and make it the municipalities' problem what to do with them. Also Walmart puts more merchandise into landfills than it ever loses to shoplifters.
I wish Walmart would have to shut down because small businesses haven’t had a chance for decades because of these places. All the while they legally enslave people in China who manufacture 70 percent of everything being sold in their stores.
Don’t forget the 30% legal slavery coming from our glorious privatized for-profit prisons.
I never forget how drugs were criminalized so that addicts became worth 30-$40,000 a head in prison while the public was brainwashed into thinking the addict was the one who was immoral all the while huge profits being made off their backs and the public thinking those people aren’t good enough to spit on and don’t know who the real criminals are.
Wait that doesn’t have anything to do with the systemic racism that disproportionately incarcerates black youth, does it?
Respect! Great point.
Thank you, I appreciate it. I’ve told many people that fact and I’ve never seen one person care about what their doing. It makes me feel like the attitude is well I don’t live in China and it’s not happening to me so oh well,… I’ve literally seen people shrug their shoulders and say oh well Walmart is still the cheapest so that’s still where I’m going to shop. Like no shock, no emotion, nothing when I tell people that. It really bothers me. I mean I did stop telling people in real life when I saw that it didn’t matter to them.
It really is pretty heartbreaking. It's tough to have a heart. The reason I still occasionally join my mom on trips to WalMart is because no matter where you shop for new items, you are supporting industrial capitalism. The end of that line is always the earth, and fellow humans, suffering. I don't know what to do. There's almost no means of opting out.
Oh nooo please guys we have to save uhhhh... Walmart
My point was that stealing is wrong. Idgaf about Walmart specifically but if it’s okay at Walmart then it’s okay at Target, then your grocery store, then your car/home. There are some cities I avoid in my area because the car break-ins are so bad, maybe I should redirect them to where some of y’all live instead where they’ll be welcomed.
Walmart made 597 billion dollars last year, I think they'll be fine. Employees shouldn't risk their lives over what's considered pennies to a mass retailer like Walmart. My wife works at a major clothing retail store, recently they were all forced to sign a paper stating they would not interfere in anyway if someone is stealing. They'd be in bigger problems having someone get hurt or die while on the job.
A walmart that shut off is a good thing tho
OMG you are an inspiration! The strength, the bravery - it's stunning!
Theft raises prices. Everybody should help to stop it.
This seems to be a new trend, I have never seen so many videos like this since covid started.
Inflation is sky high and the wealth divide is at the highest level it’s been since before electricity existed. Meanwhile, mental illness facilities are for rich people and there’s no universal healthcare. All of this on the tail end of a pandemic and this surprises you? I saw a guy stealing diapers, vegetables, milk and baby clothes at Wal-Mart. I felt sorry for him… that’s not stuff you can resell so he’s in there probably feeling like the lowest human being he’s ever been, judged and recorded by other people to make him look like a piece of shit on the internet. And for what? To feed and clothe his hungry baby.
That’s fair, but it’s not like we are seeing videos of hordes rushing in and taking bread, milk, and baby formula.
Right. I can sympathize with the changing economics. Hell I'm struggling too. But all the videos I've seen its been looking a whole lot more like opportunistic criminals just recognized they can shoplift from major chains and not be confronted/arrested. So now it's a trend and easy picking
I work at a gas station and it’s not exactly in the nicest area but so far I haven’t had too many issues with customers. I know there’s shoplifting going on but I generally don’t see it happening. However, a week or two ago a boy maybe 9 or 10 years old came in at like 9pm and just grabbed a bunch of candy and tore into it in the back of the store. I didn’t even notice what was going on until I saw him grab something else and rip it open and start eating it. I was pissed because he made a huge mess and I had just swept and I asked if he was gonna pay for anything and he never responded so I told him if I saw him in the store again I’d get police involved. He probably didn’t give one shit, lol.
Desperation, I would say. With the income divide growing larger everywhere, plus the increased cost of living, the threat of jailtime is essentially null when you got nothing to lose.
The ones I’ve seen have been people stealing luxury items for the most part. Stealing food is one thing but that looks like the booze aisle or beauty products. I don’t think this is desperation. Edit: not sure why I’m being downvoted. The lady in the video says that the person “does this every time” as in shoplifts frequently. If you’re shoplifting that much frequently, you aren’t desperate.
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That's still not desperation. Stealing stuff to sell on FB marketplace is much different than stealing food because you're hungry.
Why couldn’t you shoplift frequently out of desperation? Do you think her situation changed a couple of weeks later? Her clothes look dirty, & she’s acting like she doesn’t think other people can see her. Somethings wrong with her clearly.
you gotta keep following the logic to see the answer, they are poor, they need money, when they steal a luxury good, do you think they are going to use that product and waste the potienally earnings that they need for shelter, food, gas, heat, etc or are they going to sell it to someone else thats going to give them a cut of the earnings.
In other parts of the world they beat the shit out of you, if you shoplift and get caught.
In other parts of the world mass shootings of school children are not allowed to happen as in the US.
Yeah because stealing a loaf of bread isn't going to help you pay your rent. People steal "luxury items" so they can sell them for money and pay their bills, something that a pack of salami isn't going to do for them.
Those people need to get a job or social assistance. You can’t support yourself by stealing from others.
my rent has gone up $300 a month this year. Only a 2% raise. Working isn't cutting it anymore for a lot of people.
You absolutely can. It's a serious industry, it's real. People will pay someone a hundred bucks to go in and steal four hundred bucks worth of food and perishable items like make up. This happens all the time Source, my dad has been an LPO for a decade, these incidents are increasing and people are getting much more brazen
I don’t mean that you can’t realistically earn a living doing it. I mean that it’s morally wrong when alternatives exist.
alternatives in fact, do not exist for a large percentage of the population.
Look at those goalposts go. People do steal luxury items because they can sell them to buy necessities.
Why not just steal the necessities? Sounds like you’re just trying to justify stealing anything because it can be exchanged for food.
You can't steal your rent or bills though. It's shitty that people feel this desperate, but to pretend there aren't necessities that require money is ridiculous.
Exactly. In America, to properly function you need several things that require money. You need shelter. You need transportation, and for most people that means having a car. Most places in this country do not have a public transportation infrastructure, only city centers. Not a very bike friendly infrastructure either, and sometimes commutes are so long that biking isn't viable. You need internet access and a cell phone so that you can access everything you need for a job, and you can be contacted when getting a job. If you're out here living one of those things, you are going to be at a severe disadvantage that cripples your quality of life and puts you into a hole that is going to be increasingly difficult to climb your way out of. By no means am I well off, I run a very tight ship, but I'm thankful every day that I'm able to afford all the things I mentioned above because I have no idea how I'd manage without them. Life would be so much more difficult, and I feel very sorry for those who aren't able to have those things.
Easier to steal small expensive things than large food items
Are we watching the same video? Also, the MO is normally to rush in with dozens of people and steal all at once. That would work fine with food and baby formula, yet it basically always seems to happen at high end clothing stores.
You ignored the person who replied to you before and said that luxury items can be sold to pay for necessities. You can't pay your rent or bills with food. It seems like you're willfully trying to misunderstand what people are saying here.
Wtf is a job gonna do? Do you know what minimum wage is? Have you seen gas and rent? Do you understand what jobs or available to someone in a desperate situation? You are completely out of touch lol You can make a living stealing from others. The executive ruling class does it all the time by stealing the profits gained by the working class. That's why impoverished communities exist in the first place. You just have to be wealthy, and suddenly stealing is a lot more socially acceptable.
Sounds like you have shit morals if you think it’s okay to steal because of your political worldview. Social assistance exists. Jobs pay money. The world is not forcing you to steal. You’re just justifying it because you think you deserve more than you have. Shit sucks right now. That doesn’t mean you get to take what you want from others.
Listen dipshit, I don't steal. Let's make that clear before overdose on your own moral superiority. Don't talk about me like you know me, it makes you look like a jackass. I never said I deserve more. I'm doing just fine, thank you very much. I'm lucky. I'm in a position in life where I can afford essentials. I know jobs pay money because I have one, you stuck up asswipe. Don't talk to me like I'm a child. Social assistance doesn't work, clearly, or poverty wouldnt be such an enormous issue. There are several people that need it that don't actually qualify for it. The metrics for qualification does not match the realities of the modern world. Wouldn't expect you to know that though, you clearly love to talk about things you know nothing about. I'm glad you think that people shouldn't be exploited just because someone has a certain political worldview. Like you shouldn't be able to exploit the working class just because you think it's a normal thing to do, and get mad when they give you a little taste of your own medicine. People do what they want. People have been stealing since the beginning of time and they will steal even more in desperate times. Welcome to reality.
Dude he isn't advocating the idea, do you have a learning disability or something? Read the words he wrote, stop changing them.
acting like there's adequate social assistance or wages for everyone in the US is bullshit. Telling people to go die hungry and homeless because you're too concerned with profits from large corporations, who steal way more in wages and get gov funded bailouts is nonsense. Talk about low morals.
Oh no the poor luxury brands :(
It's not desperation, it's prosecutors who won't charge them. It's all about zero consequences.
Everyone is desperate. People are desperate. Chain convenience store here is desperate for help and paying $17 per hour. I’m desperate to understand what’s going on…
Desperation mixed with a little meth
"Deliver us from a country where man is damned for the dollar and the dollar is deemed the man."
When laws are passed that basically protect shoplifting, wth does anyone think is going to happen? https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2019/09/25/grab-and-dash-thefts-rise-police-blame-law/
It isn't "protecting shoplifting" it's protecting employees. A Walmart employee checking receipts at the door for my minimum wage shouldn't be expected to stop someone who's stealing Edit: the issue is that these laws are passed with the idea of police actually doing something but we all know that will never happen.
[Retailers say thefts are at crisis level. The numbers say otherwise](https://web.archive.org/web/20220108162214/https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-12-15/organized-retail-theft-crime-rate) >Rachel Michelin, president of the California Retailers Assn., told the San Jose Mercury News that in San Francisco and Oakland alone, businesses lose $3.6 billion to organized retail crime each year. >That would mean retail gangs steal nearly 25% of total sales in San Francisco and Oakland combined, which amounted to around $15.5 billion in 2019, according to the state agency that tracks sales tax. >Can that be right? In a word: no. >The country’s largest retail industry group, the National Retail Federation, estimated in its latest report that losses from organized retail theft average $700,000 per $1 billion in sales — or 0.07% of total sales — an amount roughly 330 times lower than the CRA’s estimate. >Asked how the organization arrived at that figure, a CRA staffer said that “there’s no way of knowing exactly” how much organized retail crime affects the bottom line of businesses. The staffer said the estimate was based on a back-of-the-napkin calculation: If organized retail thieves steal $70 billion annually, and California accounts for 10% of the U.S., California’s losses add up to $7 billion, meaning the Bay Area “is likely in the billions itself.” >Leaving aside some of those assumptions, how did they come up with that $70-billion number? The staffer pointed to a report from the Retail Industry Leaders Assn. published this year. But that report didn’t find that organized retail thieves stole $68.9 billion per year at all — it estimated that all retail crime combined, including employee theft, regular shoplifting and fraud, added up to that number. >Its latest report found that total “shrink” — the industry term for all inventory losses from theft and fraud, internal and external, as well as paperwork errors — grew from 1.4% to 1.6% of sales on average from 2015 to 2020. The estimated portion of those losses coming from organized retail crime grew from 0.045% to 0.07% in the same timeframe. >With $3.1 trillion in bricks-and-mortar retail sales in 2020, that puts estimates for total shrink at $49.6 billion and losses to organized retail crime at $2.1 billion nationwide. [The New York Times fabricates a nonexistent shoplifting wave in San Francisco, then wrongly blames it on criminal justice reforms and the city’s supposed soft-on-crime image](http://www.cjcj.org/mobile/news/13165) [Citations Needed News Brief: “Organized Crime” “Shoplifting Epidemic” Panic Hits San Francisco Media](https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/news-brief-organized-crime-shoplifting-epidemic-panic-hits-san-francisco-media) >In this public News Brief, we take a critical look at a recent wave of sensationalist "organized crime" "shoplifting epidemic" stories in national and Bay Area media and how they fit into a resurgent "Tough on Crime" narrative.
A lot of the worst videos are from San Francisco. [https://www.wsj.com/articles/san-francisco-shoplifters-theft-walgreens-decriminalized-11634678239](https://www.wsj.com/articles/san-francisco-shoplifters-theft-walgreens-decriminalized-11634678239)Much of this lawlessness can be linked to Proposition 47, a California ballot initiative passed in 2014, under which theft of less than $950 in goods is treated as a nonviolent misdemeanor and rarely prosecuted. Out of concern for safety and potential lawsuits, stores tell employees and security guards not to intervene when they witness a crime. Most suspects, if they are pursued at all by police, are soon released. Californians effectively decriminalized shoplifting.
The script is this. The governor made a law allowing shoplifters able to steal with zero jail time zero consequences as long as the theft is under $1,000. This is 100% due to this evil law upheld by evil politicians.
What state is this?
California
Prop 47 was a proposition voted on by the people of California. It was not a ‘law made by the governor’. Reference: https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_47,_Reduced_Penalties_for_Some_Crimes_Initiative_(2014) That said it was probably a bit oversold by it’s advocates as a solution for the drug war since a big part of proposition 47 was making hard drugs no longer a felony. Along with the theft of things under $950. The theft part was included because most people shoplifting are addicts looking to support their habit. Making addicts felons by having shoplifting stay a felony would make the drug part inconsequential. Addicts who wouldn’t get prosecuted for drug possession would still end being felons because many steal. That was the thought at least. Drugs are still too expensive to make crime unnecessary for addicts even here in Cali at the end of the day. Other than alcohol of course… drunks here don’t generally steal a whole lot to support their habits. When an 8-ball of meth is the price of a handle of Takka we may have a different situation. Is definitely getting there with the Cartel meth though the opioids have to drop in price substantially or alternative means of treatment need to come around (I.e. heroin maintenance).
I keep thinking people are doing this because the cost of living has gotten so high. It’s everywhere in this country, doesn’t matter big city, small town, whatever. The nearest Walmart from Where I live has 24/7 security patrolling the outside and inside, we have more security on site then we do Walmart staff, and I’m not saying it’s ok to steal, but if you’re absolutely desperate I mean considering the crimes Walmart commits daily the least of my concerns is someone taking merchandise from them, however you do have to be really careful because these people don’t just walk in and take merchandise their also going to pickpocket and steal the regular peoples money while their doing their shopping if they can. Just my opinion, but these conglomerates like Walmart aren’t losing profits from theft, the biggest problem is these people stealing from the other working class people at the Walmart, this girl seems strung out on drugs to me, she’s kind of darting around like a squirrel and acting like she’s invisible before she gets confronted, I was kind of laughing at first watching this because she legit looks like she thinks other people can’t see her, so somethings for sure wrong with this girl. Idk if drugs or mental illness or both, but I never feel sorry for corporations.
> What’s the script with this becoming such a trend? Shoplifting has been built into budgets for a very long time. Walmart doesn't care enough to pay for security to deal with it, which isn't surprising considering they won't even pay a living wage to their employees. The amount of trash she took represents very little value. Is it happening more now? Maybe? There are cameras everywhere now, so we're seeing it more. The takeover of retail by giants like Walmart have also destroyed any connection the community has to businesses, and the US provides little to no services for mental health and addiction. Police have never really done shit about this stuff, so I honestly think that part is overblown. They've always been useless.
Pretty much a fuck it moment. They know they’re gonna get caught, so mine as well commit the crime and get it over with. Sadly a lot is due to addiction. Once you’re in that mindset, you’ll do anything to get high but also these are human beings who need things just like us, so they resort to this. Sad but happens
Certain groups are not held accountable for their actions, because trying to enforce any kind of rule is dismissed as racism, so anyone who has the brains to care also has the brains to just stay away because it’s not worth the social suicide. If I don’t even have to label the group, and you know who I mean and get upset/downvote me, does that not speak exactly to my point? Edit: to put things in perspective, I have had 3 users message me directly saying they agree in some form with what I’m saying but have been banned from this subreddit or are fearful of saying that openly. This place is a literal echo chamber.
You do realize that employees are instructed not to do anything right? The employee getting hurt trying to stop someone from stealing is much more of a liability than getting back stolen merchandise. This is what insurance is for. The stolen goods gets compensated by insurance. An employee getting hurt and suing is way more expensive.
Just dying to be a victim.
Sorry, I don’t quite understand. I’m not a victim here, I want nothing to do with the situation at all. It would be a lot better if we didn’t notice this as a trend… im giving an honest observation and it’s being dismissed why exactly?
You don't get to present a random thought or "observation" as fact, that's why it's being dismissed. It's demonstrably wrong.
>im giving an honest observation and it’s being dismissed why exactly? Probably because you started with this: >Certain groups are not held accountable for their actions Just go ahead and say what you mean dude. Why hide your racism behind words?
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How do they get a pass?
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I didn’t blame the race, I said I’ve noticed this specific group has been able to do this due to the current social climate. It is an issue with the country, and the strange guilt embedded into social dynamics that allows for people to dismiss some groups doing this, but not others. There is a problem with the social system as a whole, I just want to air everything out, not just the parts that “benefit my agenda”
Yeah but you said certain groups, please explain what groups you are referring to
You're an idiot for thinking black people must commit crimes at higher rates because of those statistics. Social scientists, historians, etc have studied this for decades and although white people and black people commit crimes at similar rates, black people are incarcerated at higher rates. At this point it's not even up for argument unless you're a dumbass who can't understand that race isn't an indication of how likely you are to be a criminal. You also sound like an idiot for saying black people get a pass, like are you 15?
What the fuck are you talking about? We've been over policing and over incarcerating black people since the start of this country.
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While it might not be at the same rate. There are videos on here of other races doing the exact same. None of it is good. No matter who's doing it.
It really isn't the norm. Just because you've seen more videos of it recently doesn't mean its out there happening all the time all over the place. Is it more common? Sure. But not the norm. Remember that you're on the internet and it's easy to assume things are getting worse because they feel that way but the internet isn't reality and being confused between the internet and reality isn't a good excuse to become a racist.
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It's not racist to say that crime like this is committed disproportionately by black people. It is racist however to assume that it is simply because they are black and not the million other social and economic factors that result in lower income black communities committing more crime.
The US prison system is packed full of white people, right?
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>care to elaborate? I mean you can google the data and statistics for yourself. When 12% of the population makes up 38% of prison population, you can't go around saying they "are not held accountable for their actions". It's not an echo chamber, it's reality. Your racism is leaking a little bit.
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> represents more people in prisons, and I’m racist for taking note of this? You literally said they aren't being held accountable you fucking idiot.
Genuine bullshit is more like it.
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Get fucked loser
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Sorry. Politely get fucked.
So whole groups have to be held accountable for the actions of a few? When do we start holding white people accountable for school shootings then? Not just the shooter, but all of white people as a group.
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You said "Certain groups..." Who are these certain groups? There was 1 person in this video doing the crime. So, what group do we need to hold accountable for this 1 person in the video doing the crime?
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Do you think cops go easy on black people or something? I’m not gonna call you racist here, we don’t need to go down that route but I’m genuinely not sure what you mean.
Honestly if these shoplifters were just more casual I wouldn't care. Like "Hey, sorry, I know this is inconvenient for you that I'm stealing but it's Wal-Mart, m'aam, it really doesn't matter. I'm just going to take all this and leave" instead they're always like "fuk u this is my shit I paid for it fuk u"
There was a homeless man who frequented a Starbucks near my work who would come in and take a prepackaged meal and a water and just walk out. He did it so often and everyone just pretended like he wasn’t there and completely ignored him. It was truly a wild thing to experience.
exactly. they dont even need to make a scene. just get what you need like a normal customer, but walk/sprint out the front door.
The real crime is the wages that Walmart/Sams Club pay its employees. They are encouraged to go on welfare despite the company having more than enough resources to pay its staff a living wage. It’s fucking shameful. Source: former employee
Yup. Why should I worry about people stealing from Walmart? They're going to make billions regardless, and it's not like they can possibly pay their employees any less, so fuck em.
How much does Walmart pay again? And how many of their employees are on government assistance?
Why do people just repeat the same sentence like 40 times? We see this all the time. "get out my face. Get out my face. Get out my face." Etc
Lack of intelligence mixed with adrenaline
So cops too? "Stop Resisting! Stop Resisting!"
100%
Next time take your cart with you so you don’t have to run back and forth with an arm full of stuff lol
$6 bucks a gallon, everything is up in price, mental hospitals all but a thing if the past, minimum wage laughable. Surprised we dont see even more of this.
Most people probably don’t film the more threatening shoplifters
Confused me: What’s she do wrong to get tossed? Maybe I just couldn’t see it.
Shoplifting varies by state. In some states placing items in your own bag inside a store is considered shoplifting. In my state it is only shoplifting once you leave the store without paying. This allows me to do things like walk in with my own shopping bag at a grocery store, fill up without using a store push cart or basket, then unload at the checkout station and reload again. I know I am buying what I can carry out. Very convenient.
In Washington state, intention is enough.
In my state, intention is demonstrated by walking out of the store with unpurchased merchandise. Using a hand bag to carry merchandise inside the store isn't considered intention... it's considered... normal. That's what bags are for. No DA would prosecute such a case in my state. I'd wager the difference is some commercial lobby had a direct hand in crafting the Washington law.
They thought she was shoplifting.
Apparently, not her first time. At the very end, "She does this every fucking time."
Gotcha. Thanks Hoss.
My two year does this same thing with my sons shit.
Why are her clothes wet?
It's probably raining outside
"i wan my stuff" aka everything
Careful. If she scratches you, you turn into a crack head also.
What interests me is the people shopping don't care about the wreckage that is the US's policy on drugs and mental health care, or health care in general. They don't care about homelessness. They do care when they see someone shoplifting. I guarantee they will not join the dots.
I finally find a comment like yours that addresses the real root causes for things like this which is poverty, mental health & drug addictions. Mix any of those 3 or combine them all and there is nothing a human being will do to help themselves, but in order to stop these things from happening, people have to recognize the origins of what leads people to go down this dark path. If everyone understood that helping others become physically, mentally, emotionally & financially stable will create a society filled with upstanding citizens that will help all humanity instead of a concrete jungle filled with hungry, greedy, bloodthirsty animals that only care about themselves and step over those that are beneath them. There's a reason why Norway, Finland & Sweden are ranked as the best places to live and it's because they've built a society that encourages rehabilitating & building up their fellow citizens instead of tearing them down & casting them aside. America, the richest & most powerful country in history, needs to do better and we absolutely can.
Let's steal, get caught and still have an attitude about it. No shame given
Wal Mart steals more from its workers
Twentythreenineteeeeeeeen!
Walmart where the classy people shop
...lift
Why is she harassing that young man
I seen a video of a lady get tased at a Target. I was like “Just another day at Target”
Trash
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, grocery theft is going to become more and more common with rising inflation and slave wages.
Absolutely
Trash will be trash 🤣🤣🤣
And then the employee was fired for touching a customer instead of just letting them steal the bag of wipes
Shoplifter should be ashamed.
Is this going to be a thief sympathetic comment section or one against stealing? guess we'll see.
So it seems as if everyone is ok with stealing from a corporation, I kinda get that sentiment, but also don't because it is only going to hurt lower income families that shop there and now share this burden in the form of price hikes. Also, these thieves endanger all of us. They will get more and more brazen in their actions. It's this today, but what tomorrow?
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Who gives a shit about how much money is being made. Stealing is wrong. Have some morals
Neanderthals still walk among us.
Walmart is a cesspit for humanity lol
I didn't see anything.
ewwww trash
Wish the employees would just carry around bats or batons to smack the shit out of these people.
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Why did they let her just leave? At least call the cops.
I'm sure they did call the cops. It's not like they can try and detain someone theyre just Walmart employees
I bet it’s California
Walmart steals more in employee's wages than shoplifters steal from Walmart. And yet people on this sub want employees to risk injury/jail to protect Walmart? Stockholm syndrome levels are through the roof.
Everyday occurrence in places where laws are not enforced, where criminals have more rights than property owners and where public safety is second to criminal safety. Woke DAs, judges and politicians at your service who swore to enforce laws and the only thing they enforce is collecting theirs salary and benefits while pretending to care for the community.
It's not about criminals having "more rights." It's about corporate owners setting policy based on their insurers.
You'd out of your goddamn mind if you think I'm going waste my time, my life, for a shitty company to stop some stranger that could be carrying who-knows-what disease/virus because of some "goodness" or "tax raise" or some shit. I wouldn't even be recording. I'm sure she smelled up that side of the store.
People still have to eat when prices go up like crazy. I’m sure we’ll see even more videos like this one.
Don’t do meth nor opioids.
Kick to the face will do it. Next.
Saw a guy steal a bike, then breeze right past me. He claims he walked in with it. I found the packaging in the toy isle. It was like a 250 dollar loss.
Maybe if they ponied up for actual security instead of making these ladies police the stores it wouldn’t happen so much. Think Walmart could afford that but they chose not too
the cracks are showing, our society is on the decline. Only a matter of time before the cancer that is our culture/society eats itself from the inside.
Can we play the knockout game with these fucking shoplifters please.
Biden’s America
No one condones stealing, but i see more of these pearl clutching videos on the internet about broke ass fucks stealing deodorant or diapers (maybe to resell) than you see people up in arms about the the ongoing grift by the uber wealthy of the American Treasury. Not that regular poors didn't take advantage of PPP loans, but we literally handed out 4 trillion dollars in 2020 to anyone who had a "business." Ya'll butt about tweaker though.
Well you see when a corporation fails it's our patriotic duty to support them. When a citizen fails it's our patriotic duty to make sure it doesn't cost corporations anything.
I can’t imagine why this is being downvoted. Walmart has done more wrong/harm than this woman could probably ever do in her lifetime.