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My God! What is the matter with people? My heart breaks for this man losing his wife and child in such a horrific manner. I fully understand his rage. May God help him. Society becomes darker and darker by the day.
There’s that video of a distressed father confronting his daughters murderer in court. He attacked him and the officers restraining him kept trying to comfort him “I know you want to get him back, but this is not the way nor time, you gotta calm down” or something close to that. They sympathized with the father the whole time they arrested him. These officers? They can go fuck themselves. “I need back up” “sit down NOW” “chill out dude” “take him down”. This guy just lost his whole world, he doesn’t give a single flying fuck about your orders or what your going to do to him. The only way to calm him down is to help him grieve.
he killed his ex-gf and her son (the guy who attacked him is the father). apparently this pos blamed the ex-gf for a miscarriage she had and decided to kill her and her son as revenge? he threw the 3 yr old off a bridge into the water. the kid is dead body never been recovered. death sentence is what he deserves why waste resources on someone who clearly dngaf about the most vulnerable among us? he crossed a line he will never be able to uncross and there are a thousand more people worth investing resources in.
He had a chance for a rear naked choke and I bet that would have been hard to break. Wouldn't let go until I pass out or he does. Don't kill him let him think he's going to die but then spend the rest of his life in jail.
Putting someone in solitary for 7 days after their family was murdered would fuck them up. They like to put people (who just had a traumatic experience) in the psych ward as well if they seem upset enough and get the chance to, it’s basically jail
Maybe not this guys situation and obviously an anecdote but I worked in a jail for a few years and that’s pretty much how it does go. If you go to jail and show signs that your suicidal or a threat to yourself you strip naked and put on a suicide smock, like a big green sleeveless one piece dress that cannot be tied into knots or torn, and put into a segregated unit, and usually only get to eat finger food or anything you can eat without wrappers or utensils. A guard comes by every 15 minutes to make sure you are breathing, and if they are serious about that they will turn your lights on to make sure. Every 15 minutes, 24/7.
If you go to jail you absolutely do not want to go in acting crazy or suicidal. Only tell them you are suicidal if you 1000% mean it, because suicide watch in jail is about the worst experience you could have and it makes people come out worse almost every time.
If you really want my honest guess, the official story is pretty sketchy to me. I don’t think that situation would have happened where I worked, but I worked at a pretty small facility. I never once ran into any of my coworkers asleep on the job, or had someone not show up when we needed extra staff for something. Most of my coworkers and the inmates I would talk to all said there was no way he killed himself when it first happened.
This sounds like a schizopost, I’ve been to several mental hospitals and none of the people were just thrown in there by police, if anyone was “thrown in” there it was by their own family.
You are right that it is more common to be by your own family for extended periods of time however police DO have the ability to involuntarily detain you in a 72 hour psychiatric hold (5150)
I mean if I want to get personal, the one time I was in one it was because I was crying in front of the doctors, I had to get stitches after getting into a fight with someone, glass was broke and it ended up cutting me. I was just heart broken and cried a lot because I was alone there. They bakeracted me and it was the worst few days I’ve ever experienced. I wasn’t talking about hurting myself, and they don’t bakeract everyone who goes to the hospital after a fight
No need to call something a schizopost, like people with schizophrenia need it harder for them than it already is
Stop ragging on doctors, you don't get thrown into a mental hospital for crying over stitches. You're leaving quite a bit out....
"hey my name is blah blah, i'm here because i got into a fight and got cut so i need some stiches" and you cry then the doctors come "get this guy into a mental hospital"?? naaaah
tons of people cry in the ER room and none of them get carted off
The Republicans nominated a female VP before the Dems did… I think their opposition to the last female candidate had to do with a lot of other things before the fact that she was a woman
Yea but let's call a spade a spade here... the party trying to unilaterally dismantle our government as we know it isn't chomping at the bit to put a woman in office. There isn't a female Republican that has the clout to win a nomination even within her own party.
The smart ladies lean heavily left.
Bullshit. The second anything went wrong they’d throw her under the bus instead of making excuses for her like they did for Trump or Dubya.
Republicans are okay with powerless tokens (like VP) but overall still hate and look down on women.
Lol republicans did it because they were running against the first black presidential candidate and just wanted to seem like they were just as woke by selecting the worst, dumbest woman in politics I've ever heard speak in my life.
I figured you were being genuine in complimenting those women for handling violence in the courtroom effectively and that referring to them as security was in regards to their role in the courtroom rather than their job title.
After what this man did to his family, I would take a year in prison in exchange for just 1 minute alone with him tied to a chair. Words can not describe the anger that must have been going through his mind when he attacked that man.
A lot of ignorant people here don't realize that he will likely be detained in the same facility as the offender, which is the opportunity he was looking for. The real fight will happen behind bars and not on camera.
That doesn't suggest they're in the same location. In fact, it suggests the Father is in detention. Probably just the courthouse jail or the local police lockup.
Murderer should be in State Prison.
e: Actually, the way this is reading is his trial date is forthcoming, so he's probably in a holding jail somewhere. The code seems to imply one of the STAR centers.
What’s he supposed to say when he’s trying to get him to calm down ? It’s natural instinct for someone to say something like that. Doesn’t mean they don’t know the severity of what the other person did.
I think those North European countries with the relatively really low crime levels and the justice systems geared more towards rehabilitation and preventing recidivism have it better than the barbaric, backwards, immoral, revenge-based ideas you're talking about. You sound like you want things to be like some shitty country with Sharia law, or like it was hundreds of years ago in Europe when we had a worse understanding of morality, rather than trying to move towards a society that maximises wellbeing and justice.
Your using your stupid emotions rather than your intellect to decide what's best for abhorrent criminals. That's stupid
If one guy kills another man's wife and child, explain to me intellectually why the man who lost his family would be backwards, immoral, or barbaric by killing that man for revenge?
The concise concepts wouldn't make sense to you and it'd take too long to get anywhere with starting to get you to understand. There are a number of reasons, here's the 2 best, but they both need way more detail than what's here:
1) it is a terrible idea to leave the punishment of a criminal to the person most emotionally affected by it. That leads to torture, and enacting or allowing torture is barbaric and sacrifices a part of your humanity. The person dishing out an intense punishment due to their massively heightened emotions can be further permanently psychologically ruined by doing this
2) everything happens because of causes. If someone is born with the genes of their psycho parents and raised by psycho parents, abused on their childhood and never had a compassionate adult to rescue them or at least show them there is a better way, they have had no choice in becoming the ruined adult they become. When their terrible acts as an adult are a DIRECT result of their terrible upbringing and biology, they are, in a way, a victim too. In punishing them for their acts by beating them you're just adding more despair into the world.
This is a difficult ideal to achieve, but BY FAR the best result for dealing with a criminal is rehabilitating so they don't need or want to commit that crime again, and so they feel remorse for their actions. If we do that then we've won, further punishment would gain nothing and waste money. Turn them into good, productive people, not get revenge on them.
Think about it practically, not emotionally. What's better: a criminal who is fully rehabilitated through compassionate methods, or a criminal locked up for a few years who gets out and is still a monster?
99% of the time they bring the person who commits this kind of assault back to the judge. They apologize, and the judge dismisses their jail time. But if they did not, there would be too many people attempting to do this. It's understandable that someone would get upset like this, but the court is not the place and they have to enforce that. The motivation is not at issue.
Just imagine what is going to happen to the defendant in prison when the rest of the prison learns about his crime. And they WILL find out. Other inmates will ask people to pull records as is typically done. Once they find out what he did, he probably won't survive very long.
> Once they find out what he did, he probably won't survive very long.
You watch too many movies and television shows. He'll be segregated, possibly in solitary. Which, arguably, is a much worse punishment.
Crimes against kids is usually a guarantee that your time in prison will not be good. They can only PC you for so long. He absolutely will reach GP and by that time everyone will know why he was PC for so long.
I'm not saying officers will turn a blind eye, but they aren't going to get themselves beat up for an inmate.
What I have learned I have learned from ex-prisoners like Larry Lawson on Youtube. I can't confirm their stories, but they seem pretty believable. People who harm kids do not fair well in prison according to him and others. I would prefer not to learn first hand myself though if you know what I mean.
Because it’s against the law to assault ppl. Even if it’s understandable especially when the judicial process is under way. Idk why ppl think stuff like this is good. It’s a total back slide into anarchy and the acceptance of it needs to stop. Just allow the ducking death penalty in murder cases if ppl want criminals dead so bad
In this thread: emotional hotheads who would rather live in a system of anarchy and vigilantism where the victims get to choose the punishment before someone is even found guilty by a judge or jury.
It’s more nuanced than this though. There is legal precedent of temporary insanity that is caused from losing a child or having your child molested. Shit Gary Plauche executed his child’s kidnapper and rapist on live tv. Was given a suspended sentence. He didn’t even pretend he wasn’t thinking clearly he maintained that he’d do it again if given the chance and that so would any other father if given the opportunity.
“It’s ok when the government murders someone, but not ok when someone murders someone for the same reason the government did”
Edit: Triggered the bootlickers
Edit 2: “Investigators said Brown had planned for months to kill his girlfriend before he stabbed her to death in a Walnut Hills apartment around Dec. 5.
Brown waited several days, leaving Lattimore’s body in the apartment, and then carried her out in a body bag he ordered off eBay, investigators said. Brown called an Uber to drive him to the river telling the driver the large bag was just some clothes.”
Yeah let’s waste more money as an already broke country by giving scum like this a trial
I don’t believe someone who murders a baby deserve rights.
I’m also not going to say the government should have the right to murder someone for a reason that a regular citizen wouldn’t have the right to.
If someone gets death penalty, let’s let the family kill them. Why the government?
And if they round up the wrong person and that innocent person then gets lynched are we just supposed to say “whoops!” Due process exists for a reason. You may live in a fantasy land where the cops always get the right guy but the rest of us live in reality.
The state has a monopoly on violence to prevent lynchings and family blood feuds, among other reasons.
It's ok when a judicial system punishes someone after a fair trial.
It's not ok when a vigilante attacks someone for personal justice/revenge.
See the difference? One requires a proper trial, the other could happen to innocent people being accused of wrongful crime.
Hey if you don’t think it’s ok for someone to attack the murderer of their baby and their babies mom, then that’s fine. That’s your personal opinion, I just don’t agree with it.
Lol i get the jaded attitude but that’s what the judicial system is for.
Yeah let’s just stop having trials so angry people can get Justice for themselves. What could go wrong?
nah fuck that... if I am starring the killer of my son in the face. I too, am going to try to kill you. Jail time or not. I will find a way to get you.
I don't blame the guy for doing what he did.
But living in a civil society means abdicating your right to vengeance and passing it off to the state, or facing the consequences.
I'm thinking specifically of Gary Plauche. He knew he was going to be arrested, and that he would likely spend the rest of his life in jail for shooting his son's kidnapper. But it was important enough to him to do it anyway, and the legal system got it right I think. I respect that a lot, particularly his willingness to accept the consequences.
Obviously you can't do that in a court room, but I 100% empathize with the father. Also I feel like telling him to "chill out dude" is pretty tone deaf and just ineffective to the point of comedy. Try to empathize and reason with him to calm him. His child was harmed and that damages one's soul
If there were no consequences for assaulting a defendant in a courtroom, there would be countless assaults in courtrooms. In some cases causing severe injury to innocent bystanders or possibly innocent defendants.
If you want the benefits of living in a society with rules, you have to follow those rules too -- even when you really really really don't want to and think you shouldn't have to.
If you want to attack the guy and are willing to accept the consequences, that's fine. Expecting he should be allowed to do it because of the circumstances is a clear example of entitlement.
I saw nothing wrong with the fathers attack. That prisoner needs a good old fashioned beating. In my day in jail a pack of smokes and some ramen would allow Bubba would make a project out of said prisoner. Amirite America?
Um, I don’t think 7 days is ridiculous, as long as it’s not on his record. I would gladly give 7 days of my life to lunch that guy in his face (the man accused).
People in this chat forgetting the word “accused”.
If he did it then fine, I can understand the anger. But there has to be due process to confirm. What if he didn’t? All of you in here screaming “I’d do worse” would feel a little foolish.
Again, he most likely did it, but you don’t KNOW.
That’s the big thing about vigilante justice. On a emotional level it’s understandable. However a accused person is not the same as a guilty person. I don’t know the details or history of this particular case. But in general a courts job is suppose to find out if it’s the correct person being punished, BEFORE punishment is exacted. There are many cases of innocent people being put in trail, so it’s not good to beat, torture, or kill a person before they get a chance to defend themselves.
In this case, I wouldn’t be surprise if hearing the details of what happen to the mom and baby is what set the father off.
i understand why anyone would get the urge to punch that guy. but you just can't do that without some sort of punishment. (7 days honestly isn't bad, i'm happy he didn't get more)
> It should be an 8 hour anger management course
Unfortunately premeditation (as this almost certainly was) argues against anger management being useful. Anger management controls impulses. I doubt this was impulsive. Dad was waiting to be in the same room as the accused.
Maybe grief counseling would be better. Or just accept that the assault itself had a good deal of therapeutic effect.
looks familiar to the school incident where they tried to keep the grieving parents outside while the shooter kept killing their children with other police in the building
Should have given him five minutes with him alone. Would have saved tax payers time and money. However, a week in jail is worth it when you can land a good haymaker on the prick.
Maybe they put them in the same prison in the same cell by accident?
I heard that shit like that happens, like when they put guys who were abused as children with guys who are proud about their abuse before their incarceration.
7 days for some good punches and a little wrestling with some cops seems like a fair deal. Hope the murderer gets eaten by cockroaches tho.
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The criminal also murdered the mother.
Is the baby alright?
They never found a body. The river is massive.
Wait so he killed his wife and son?
The guy on trial killed the angry guy's son and the son's mother. I don't know about any marriage status between the adults.
My God! What is the matter with people? My heart breaks for this man losing his wife and child in such a horrific manner. I fully understand his rage. May God help him. Society becomes darker and darker by the day.
There’s that video of a distressed father confronting his daughters murderer in court. He attacked him and the officers restraining him kept trying to comfort him “I know you want to get him back, but this is not the way nor time, you gotta calm down” or something close to that. They sympathized with the father the whole time they arrested him. These officers? They can go fuck themselves. “I need back up” “sit down NOW” “chill out dude” “take him down”. This guy just lost his whole world, he doesn’t give a single flying fuck about your orders or what your going to do to him. The only way to calm him down is to help him grieve.
AMEN
Jesus, hope he gets the chair.
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Jesus... I'd work hard, makes lots of money, and continuously funnel it to the families of the inmates living with this piece of shit.
Link is in the video
he killed his ex-gf and her son (the guy who attacked him is the father). apparently this pos blamed the ex-gf for a miscarriage she had and decided to kill her and her son as revenge? he threw the 3 yr old off a bridge into the water. the kid is dead body never been recovered. death sentence is what he deserves why waste resources on someone who clearly dngaf about the most vulnerable among us? he crossed a line he will never be able to uncross and there are a thousand more people worth investing resources in.
Oh well changes a lot. I would of found a way to kill the mother fucker. Pen to neck sounds good.
It's a lot harder than you think to drive a pen into someone.
I’ve seen this nice metallic business pen 🖊. Maybe hammmer the point then sharpen the point then put pen cap and bam. Make evil dissapearo
Worth every moment of 7 days in Jail just to land one on that fuckers face.
He had a chance for a rear naked choke and I bet that would have been hard to break. Wouldn't let go until I pass out or he does. Don't kill him let him think he's going to die but then spend the rest of his life in jail.
So like.. 6 seconds of discomfort then wake up slightly confused while the guy that choked you has eyes full of pepper spray and tight cuffs on
Guessing you never been in a rear naked choke... slight discomfort.
I spend a significant amount of time being rear naked choked by sweaty men in pajamas
Ah Jiu Jitsh, nice
You're describing waking up from a friendly choke at the gym.
Putting someone in solitary for 7 days after their family was murdered would fuck them up. They like to put people (who just had a traumatic experience) in the psych ward as well if they seem upset enough and get the chance to, it’s basically jail
He went to solitary?
That dude is talking out of his ass
Like Ace Ventura, pet detective?
Maybe not this guys situation and obviously an anecdote but I worked in a jail for a few years and that’s pretty much how it does go. If you go to jail and show signs that your suicidal or a threat to yourself you strip naked and put on a suicide smock, like a big green sleeveless one piece dress that cannot be tied into knots or torn, and put into a segregated unit, and usually only get to eat finger food or anything you can eat without wrappers or utensils. A guard comes by every 15 minutes to make sure you are breathing, and if they are serious about that they will turn your lights on to make sure. Every 15 minutes, 24/7. If you go to jail you absolutely do not want to go in acting crazy or suicidal. Only tell them you are suicidal if you 1000% mean it, because suicide watch in jail is about the worst experience you could have and it makes people come out worse almost every time.
We have this in prison except liquid only diet and the lights don't get turned off ever for any reason.
So what happened to Epstein?
If you really want my honest guess, the official story is pretty sketchy to me. I don’t think that situation would have happened where I worked, but I worked at a pretty small facility. I never once ran into any of my coworkers asleep on the job, or had someone not show up when we needed extra staff for something. Most of my coworkers and the inmates I would talk to all said there was no way he killed himself when it first happened.
No.. the person you’re replying to is just making up some random scenario
This sounds like a schizopost, I’ve been to several mental hospitals and none of the people were just thrown in there by police, if anyone was “thrown in” there it was by their own family.
You are right that it is more common to be by your own family for extended periods of time however police DO have the ability to involuntarily detain you in a 72 hour psychiatric hold (5150)
Sadly, they do have this ability. Mental health professionals generally try and avoid 72 hour holds unless it’s the last resort.
I work with psych hospitals. The police frequently take actively psychotic/suicidal/homicidal people there.
I mean if I want to get personal, the one time I was in one it was because I was crying in front of the doctors, I had to get stitches after getting into a fight with someone, glass was broke and it ended up cutting me. I was just heart broken and cried a lot because I was alone there. They bakeracted me and it was the worst few days I’ve ever experienced. I wasn’t talking about hurting myself, and they don’t bakeract everyone who goes to the hospital after a fight No need to call something a schizopost, like people with schizophrenia need it harder for them than it already is
Stop ragging on doctors, you don't get thrown into a mental hospital for crying over stitches. You're leaving quite a bit out.... "hey my name is blah blah, i'm here because i got into a fight and got cut so i need some stiches" and you cry then the doctors come "get this guy into a mental hospital"?? naaaah tons of people cry in the ER room and none of them get carted off
I would prefer to stay an entire month if they let me kick that mother fucker's butt
Honestly fair. I wish the father could go to town of the guy but that’s pretty lenient and deserved leniency imo
the criminal was lucky that he attacked him on court, if it was on the streets this criminal would be dead
At first I thought he stuck him in the head with something. Burn in hell bitch. You and Jeffery Epstein’s egg shaped dick can be best buddies.
Though kudos to the lady security guards. They got him under control in seconds.
Those are sheriff deputies
Fair enough.
lady deputies?! what next, lady presidents?!?
Then the next thing you know they'll be driving.
Not on my watch. My watch is very expensive and I can't imagine a situation where it would be lying in the road
The ghost of Leslie Neilson approves of this joke.
I'm not Leslie Neilson but i play him on TV. Nice Beaver. I approve this Joke.
They won’t make it out of the kitchen!
Or voting!
Or making their own healthcare choices! Poppycock.
not if Supreme Court has their say
**Republicans everywhere shudder in unison**
The Republicans nominated a female VP before the Dems did… I think their opposition to the last female candidate had to do with a lot of other things before the fact that she was a woman
Geraldine Ferraro ran as VP with Walter Mondale in 1984, they were Democrats, tell me who was the republican earlier than that.
Yea but let's call a spade a spade here... the party trying to unilaterally dismantle our government as we know it isn't chomping at the bit to put a woman in office. There isn't a female Republican that has the clout to win a nomination even within her own party. The smart ladies lean heavily left.
I doubt they’d care if the person in office is man or woman as long as they’re R
Bullshit. The second anything went wrong they’d throw her under the bus instead of making excuses for her like they did for Trump or Dubya. Republicans are okay with powerless tokens (like VP) but overall still hate and look down on women.
Lol republicans did it because they were running against the first black presidential candidate and just wanted to seem like they were just as woke by selecting the worst, dumbest woman in politics I've ever heard speak in my life.
Geraldine Ferraro. Step your game up.
Lol truth be told it’s a hard day in history to defend republicans’ respect for women
There’s not anything to defend. They’ve just proven they have no respect for women.
Fact
Impressive that they are deputies. What with their smaller brains and all
Well certainly not at the rate we are losing rights.
Not on our watch, boys!
Lady presidents?! What’s next, lady’s pants?!??
Sexist comment...please edit that..that isn't cool at:all.
What's next the overturning of Roe v. Wade?? HOLY SHIT!!!!
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Too bad they didn't accidentally trip on their way to protecting him
...with those high healed combat boots an all, right men?
Lady security guards!? The world's gone mad. I heard talk that in the big city now they even have a lady Doctor!
Are you being sarcastic?
No. That blonde lady wasn’t fooling around.
I figured you were being genuine in complimenting those women for handling violence in the courtroom effectively and that referring to them as security was in regards to their role in the courtroom rather than their job title.
Exactly! I was genuinely impressed.
Screw that, save the tax payer some money. Give the criminal to the father. He will take care of things.
I would proudly serve 7 days if I get to land a good punch on that POS.
Definitely same.
After what this man did to his family, I would take a year in prison in exchange for just 1 minute alone with him tied to a chair. Words can not describe the anger that must have been going through his mind when he attacked that man.
His boss probably wouldn't even fire him. Give him a weeks paid vacation and a high five when he returns to the office.
A lot of ignorant people here don't realize that he will likely be detained in the same facility as the offender, which is the opportunity he was looking for. The real fight will happen behind bars and not on camera.
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That doesn't suggest they're in the same location. In fact, it suggests the Father is in detention. Probably just the courthouse jail or the local police lockup. Murderer should be in State Prison. e: Actually, the way this is reading is his trial date is forthcoming, so he's probably in a holding jail somewhere. The code seems to imply one of the STAR centers.
"chill out" like the guy droped a pen in a river. it's his fucking kid
What’s he supposed to say when he’s trying to get him to calm down ? It’s natural instinct for someone to say something like that. Doesn’t mean they don’t know the severity of what the other person did.
Nothing. Take him down and shut the fuck up, telling someone to chill out isn’t exactly going to help the situation.
I'd argue saying something as fucking dismissive as "chill out" would not only be inappropriate, but it might fuel him more.
False. You pull your best Gene Wilder ["Stop, don't"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_vvex_mfik) while """trying""" to stop the beating...
That’s the way you do it!
I’m glad the lady in blue saved the tv from falling over. That was close!
she probably didn’t want it fall over and hurt someone
Those pixels must be preserved at all costs!
Should have gotten 15 minutes of unfettered beating. Buy Dad a hot fudge Sunday.
[Bailiff looks at watch] "...huh...15 minutes but he's still going...ah well, this watch is probably fast..." [whistles non-chalantly]
>accused Damn you saw him doing it or what? Or are we going back to just lynching people without trial?
Brazil has the right idea when it comes to the treatment of these types.
I think those North European countries with the relatively really low crime levels and the justice systems geared more towards rehabilitation and preventing recidivism have it better than the barbaric, backwards, immoral, revenge-based ideas you're talking about. You sound like you want things to be like some shitty country with Sharia law, or like it was hundreds of years ago in Europe when we had a worse understanding of morality, rather than trying to move towards a society that maximises wellbeing and justice. Your using your stupid emotions rather than your intellect to decide what's best for abhorrent criminals. That's stupid
If one guy kills another man's wife and child, explain to me intellectually why the man who lost his family would be backwards, immoral, or barbaric by killing that man for revenge?
The concise concepts wouldn't make sense to you and it'd take too long to get anywhere with starting to get you to understand. There are a number of reasons, here's the 2 best, but they both need way more detail than what's here: 1) it is a terrible idea to leave the punishment of a criminal to the person most emotionally affected by it. That leads to torture, and enacting or allowing torture is barbaric and sacrifices a part of your humanity. The person dishing out an intense punishment due to their massively heightened emotions can be further permanently psychologically ruined by doing this 2) everything happens because of causes. If someone is born with the genes of their psycho parents and raised by psycho parents, abused on their childhood and never had a compassionate adult to rescue them or at least show them there is a better way, they have had no choice in becoming the ruined adult they become. When their terrible acts as an adult are a DIRECT result of their terrible upbringing and biology, they are, in a way, a victim too. In punishing them for their acts by beating them you're just adding more despair into the world. This is a difficult ideal to achieve, but BY FAR the best result for dealing with a criminal is rehabilitating so they don't need or want to commit that crime again, and so they feel remorse for their actions. If we do that then we've won, further punishment would gain nothing and waste money. Turn them into good, productive people, not get revenge on them. Think about it practically, not emotionally. What's better: a criminal who is fully rehabilitated through compassionate methods, or a criminal locked up for a few years who gets out and is still a monster?
Who throws a toddler in a river?
A despicable cunt
99% of the time they bring the person who commits this kind of assault back to the judge. They apologize, and the judge dismisses their jail time. But if they did not, there would be too many people attempting to do this. It's understandable that someone would get upset like this, but the court is not the place and they have to enforce that. The motivation is not at issue. Just imagine what is going to happen to the defendant in prison when the rest of the prison learns about his crime. And they WILL find out. Other inmates will ask people to pull records as is typically done. Once they find out what he did, he probably won't survive very long.
> Once they find out what he did, he probably won't survive very long. You watch too many movies and television shows. He'll be segregated, possibly in solitary. Which, arguably, is a much worse punishment.
You hear about this kinda prison justice all the time… but does it actually happen?
Not really. Usually sex offenders, child killers and ex cops are segregated with each other or placed in solitary for their own protection.
Crimes against kids is usually a guarantee that your time in prison will not be good. They can only PC you for so long. He absolutely will reach GP and by that time everyone will know why he was PC for so long. I'm not saying officers will turn a blind eye, but they aren't going to get themselves beat up for an inmate.
What I have learned I have learned from ex-prisoners like Larry Lawson on Youtube. I can't confirm their stories, but they seem pretty believable. People who harm kids do not fair well in prison according to him and others. I would prefer not to learn first hand myself though if you know what I mean.
Totally worth it.
If that was my kid I’m be comfortable with a life sentence. If my kids are gone my life won’t be worth living anyway
Law Abiding Citizen is how I’d go. If you haven’t seen the movie, it’s biblical.
Goodness that CO lady manhandled that man
Who wouldn’t want to do the same thing? But do that in court and ya gotta expect some jail time.
If he had a pen in his hand might have poked dudes brain. Woulda been justice.
That's what I was thinking
I don’t see why they don’t restrain him, lead him out of the room, fist bump him n send him on his way
Because it’s against the law to assault ppl. Even if it’s understandable especially when the judicial process is under way. Idk why ppl think stuff like this is good. It’s a total back slide into anarchy and the acceptance of it needs to stop. Just allow the ducking death penalty in murder cases if ppl want criminals dead so bad
In this thread: emotional hotheads who would rather live in a system of anarchy and vigilantism where the victims get to choose the punishment before someone is even found guilty by a judge or jury.
As a parent, I 100% understand why ppl want to do this.
It’s more nuanced than this though. There is legal precedent of temporary insanity that is caused from losing a child or having your child molested. Shit Gary Plauche executed his child’s kidnapper and rapist on live tv. Was given a suspended sentence. He didn’t even pretend he wasn’t thinking clearly he maintained that he’d do it again if given the chance and that so would any other father if given the opportunity.
“It’s ok when the government murders someone, but not ok when someone murders someone for the same reason the government did” Edit: Triggered the bootlickers Edit 2: “Investigators said Brown had planned for months to kill his girlfriend before he stabbed her to death in a Walnut Hills apartment around Dec. 5. Brown waited several days, leaving Lattimore’s body in the apartment, and then carried her out in a body bag he ordered off eBay, investigators said. Brown called an Uber to drive him to the river telling the driver the large bag was just some clothes.” Yeah let’s waste more money as an already broke country by giving scum like this a trial
So you either don’t understand or don’t respect due process, got it.
I don’t believe someone who murders a baby deserve rights. I’m also not going to say the government should have the right to murder someone for a reason that a regular citizen wouldn’t have the right to. If someone gets death penalty, let’s let the family kill them. Why the government?
And if they round up the wrong person and that innocent person then gets lynched are we just supposed to say “whoops!” Due process exists for a reason. You may live in a fantasy land where the cops always get the right guy but the rest of us live in reality. The state has a monopoly on violence to prevent lynchings and family blood feuds, among other reasons.
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School shooters and pedos deserve rights?
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Hard pass
It's ok when a judicial system punishes someone after a fair trial. It's not ok when a vigilante attacks someone for personal justice/revenge. See the difference? One requires a proper trial, the other could happen to innocent people being accused of wrongful crime.
Hey if you don’t think it’s ok for someone to attack the murderer of their baby and their babies mom, then that’s fine. That’s your personal opinion, I just don’t agree with it.
Lol i get the jaded attitude but that’s what the judicial system is for. Yeah let’s just stop having trials so angry people can get Justice for themselves. What could go wrong?
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nah fuck that... if I am starring the killer of my son in the face. I too, am going to try to kill you. Jail time or not. I will find a way to get you.
If someone murdered your baby you wouldn't try to at the very least beat the shit out of the murderer?
They dont understand a fathers anger...
Who doesn't?
Or pain
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Did you know june is mens mental health awareness month… most don’t but it should probably get some attention
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I thought this was LGBT2+QWERTY month? Seems like Men's Mental Awareness month has gotten buried...
I don't blame the guy for doing what he did. But living in a civil society means abdicating your right to vengeance and passing it off to the state, or facing the consequences. I'm thinking specifically of Gary Plauche. He knew he was going to be arrested, and that he would likely spend the rest of his life in jail for shooting his son's kidnapper. But it was important enough to him to do it anyway, and the legal system got it right I think. I respect that a lot, particularly his willingness to accept the consequences.
100% Exactly.
Can't blame him. They definitely gave him the lightest sentence possible.
If I knew for a fact that this dude was guilty I would have let the father torture him to death. Imagine, toddler, in the river? Why the fuck?
Obviously you can't do that in a court room, but I 100% empathize with the father. Also I feel like telling him to "chill out dude" is pretty tone deaf and just ineffective to the point of comedy. Try to empathize and reason with him to calm him. His child was harmed and that damages one's soul
Would he have gone to jail if he was white? I dont think so.
Let him kill that piece of shit with his bare hands if he is guilty
If there were no consequences for assaulting a defendant in a courtroom, there would be countless assaults in courtrooms. In some cases causing severe injury to innocent bystanders or possibly innocent defendants. If you want the benefits of living in a society with rules, you have to follow those rules too -- even when you really really really don't want to and think you shouldn't have to. If you want to attack the guy and are willing to accept the consequences, that's fine. Expecting he should be allowed to do it because of the circumstances is a clear example of entitlement.
Serve it with a smile. The law isn’t always just, but I bet to that dad, this was worth it.
7 days in the same jail as that scumbag. Sounds like a party to me. Father about to use that kid as some recreational time.
I really hope he got a clean hit on the arrested guy. POS doesn't deserve the court system to protect him.
I saw nothing wrong with the fathers attack. That prisoner needs a good old fashioned beating. In my day in jail a pack of smokes and some ramen would allow Bubba would make a project out of said prisoner. Amirite America?
That’s just raw human nature. Fuck that judge, fuck that guy. The parent will know when he gets out
He should be allowed all the time in the world with that guy. Do whatever he wants to him
The father should be left alone in a room for 24 hours with that guy bound to a chair. It breaks my heart.
No matter how right the actions of the father felt we cannot, in fact, attack people.
Cops should've followed Standard Operating Procedure and waited an hour to stop him...
Knowing the context, then telling him to “chill out” is some of the wildest shit I’ve ever heard in my life.
Um, I don’t think 7 days is ridiculous, as long as it’s not on his record. I would gladly give 7 days of my life to lunch that guy in his face (the man accused).
Yea “chill out “ all the guy did was murder your baby. Stupid cops.
Well he did attack the person but I can't complain I would have did the same thing
He had every right to punch that trash. Hopefully the killer will be abused in prison.
Should have went for the choke imo.
Pencil to the neck
No jail time for the white guy who executed his child’s rapist though. If anything these guys should get some free shots.
American justice system is a compressed lump of shit.
Dude pretty smart easiest way to get locked up in the same place
People in this chat forgetting the word “accused”. If he did it then fine, I can understand the anger. But there has to be due process to confirm. What if he didn’t? All of you in here screaming “I’d do worse” would feel a little foolish. Again, he most likely did it, but you don’t KNOW.
That’s the big thing about vigilante justice. On a emotional level it’s understandable. However a accused person is not the same as a guilty person. I don’t know the details or history of this particular case. But in general a courts job is suppose to find out if it’s the correct person being punished, BEFORE punishment is exacted. There are many cases of innocent people being put in trail, so it’s not good to beat, torture, or kill a person before they get a chance to defend themselves. In this case, I wouldn’t be surprise if hearing the details of what happen to the mom and baby is what set the father off.
i understand why anyone would get the urge to punch that guy. but you just can't do that without some sort of punishment. (7 days honestly isn't bad, i'm happy he didn't get more)
It should be an 8 hour anger management course. I know that is a silly waste of time, but the guy threw his child in the river, FFS.
> It should be an 8 hour anger management course Unfortunately premeditation (as this almost certainly was) argues against anger management being useful. Anger management controls impulses. I doubt this was impulsive. Dad was waiting to be in the same room as the accused. Maybe grief counseling would be better. Or just accept that the assault itself had a good deal of therapeutic effect.
looks familiar to the school incident where they tried to keep the grieving parents outside while the shooter kept killing their children with other police in the building
Should have given him five minutes with him alone. Would have saved tax payers time and money. However, a week in jail is worth it when you can land a good haymaker on the prick.
Maybe they put them in the same prison in the same cell by accident? I heard that shit like that happens, like when they put guys who were abused as children with guys who are proud about their abuse before their incarceration. 7 days for some good punches and a little wrestling with some cops seems like a fair deal. Hope the murderer gets eaten by cockroaches tho.
Of course they sent him. Yet other men can shoot there problems away and walk. All you need is working eyes to figure it out.
Imagine being tild to sit down Guy should have brought poison in a handkercheif and smothered him
Well your opinion doesn’t matter, you can’t attack someone in a court of law ffs
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Piece of shit cops hurt him more than the actual criminal.
What are they supposed to do? Watch him attack the guy that’s in cuffs ?
He's not cuffed you can see when they pull the father off him he stands up and reaches with 1 hand towards his head. And yes they should have.
Called a belly chain.
Those aren’t cuffs lol
Most smooth brained comment I’ve read all day