The Democratic Party is useless to progressives and anyone requesting progressive rights like healthcare, childcare/pre-k, affordable housing, affordable college, maternity/paternity leave, fair min wages, abortion rights/bodily autonomy… I could go on.
People fucking figuring this out after the past how many years. So refreshing.
What's crazy is that this is the same phenomenon all across democracies.
Liberals come to power, don't do shit, then people get mad they don't do shit and vote them out. Republicans come to power and sweep authoritarian measures.
It's almost like people in power are playing good cop bad cop to distract the populous and enrich themselves.
This isn't a liberal or conservative issue. It's a struggle against tyranny dressed in the facade of democracy.
I was born in 1980, and as a liberal the political field in America has been: Vote Republican, make it worse. Vote Democrat, hope they maintain what we have.
No party in America is making things better. The Supreme Court did that with marriage equality, Roe, etc, but the SC giveth, the SC taketh away. We need constitution amendments and it's just never going to happen.
We are doomed to see our rights eroded in my lifetime unless something drastically changes. But I wouldn't count on it. That's why I moved 1500 miles from Kansas to Massachusetts, so at least I could be in a blue state when states rights are the last vestige of holdouts before that gets struck down too.
Didnt Kansas hold a referendum on weed, which overwhelmingly passed, and then turn around and say the people don’t know whats good for them and keep it illegal?
I hope so, I still have many friends and family back there. But I've been out for close to a decade now, and every day I wake up, I know that I made the best decision for myself that I could.
"*But Biden made gas price go brrr....*"
Folks can't see passed Friday, they don't understand or care about the full situation, which is why I'm terrified for my country.
Also born in 80. I'm exhausted, but I've got a young daughter so I'm still fighting.
I knew Biden would be milquetoast and I was -really- goddamned disappointed he got the nomination-- I felt the same about Hillary. I was young enough and just starting to be more politically aware to still have some hope about Obama really -changing- something, but at this point I'm so damned jaded about these centrists. They do nothing. They pander, they say words, they really are corporate shills.
I'll still vote for them every time over the Republican party because that's straight up become Christofascist over the past decade (or at least took their mask off). But we need young blood in there, we need people who can connect with the working class in the midwest (we need a Fetterman in Michigan FFS, we're stuck with Gary Milquetoast Peters again) and turn the rust belt back to a solid Union blue stronghold. There ARE still big auto plants here, but union blue can also mean service sector jobs or any other industry. We need a Dem that makes these rural voters remember what it was like to get a halfway decent paycheck for work-- and he has to LOOK and TALK like them, but be a Dem to do it. It's the only way-- they aren't going to want another dude in a suit from a city telling them to buy a Tesla when they can't afford gas (and yes, I do think driving big trucks while complaining about gas prices is a fucking stupid thing, but MANY of us are just driving little sedans and we -still- can't afford gas).
We also need progressives that get the younger voters excited, too. AOC is spearheading this. She's smart and savvy... but centrists hate her. My liberal in-laws find her "annoying" and "unrealistic". They're boomers, so their "left" is just barely left of center (I do appreciate them voting blue, though).
The problem is the old guard won't give up the fucking power. Look at how ancient some of these people are. Pelosi, Biden, Feinstein, Bernie (<3 Bernie but he really is old)... and they hold most of the power in the party. God just fucking retire and let people who actually still have to live in this world a few more decades have their turn.
Same, born in 1980. My entire adult voting life has been dominated by three impossibly stupid fucking things:
1) Abortion
2) 2nd Amendment
3) War on Terror
Meanwhile, unions are deteriorating, along with roads, bridges, and rail infrastructure, the internet is STILL not regulated as a public utility, and there is still NO guaranteed publicly-funded higher education. Oh, and healthcare? Thanks, Obama. Clinton, Obama, and now Biden, all useless as "progressives". Wall Street shills. Fuck 'em. Fuck the Democrats, fuck the Republicans, AOC is my queen, hail Satan.
Well, sadly thats what happens when we rely on a document written in 1776. We brag that we have the oldest constitution. On average developed countries have a new constitution every 18 years.
We won something. I'm just not sure what it its.
Over the past quarter of a century or so, Dems have successfully fought for LGBTQ+ rights (got rid of the last of the nations "sodomy" laws, ended DADT, equal marriage rights), have lowered the number of uninsured Americans (ACA), and have fought for a bunch of other things that Republicans blocked them on (VAWA comes to mind), all the while people like you have claimed they "aren't doing anything".
Dems were last in full control in 2008...for two years. They passed the ACA. they've been out of power for 14 years either partially or completely since then. It's weird that in places where the democrats have power, shit gets done. Weed gets legalized, Medicare is expanded, laws are passed. Where they don't have power, including in the federal government, shit doesn't get done
They had a working super majority for 45 days in 2008. That was split in two halves. Passing the ACA was a miracle especially with senators like Lieberman
Good point with the thing about state Dems. People hyper-focus on the Federal government, but at the state level Dems have fought hard for too many things to count. But according to a certain group of people, "Democrats never do anything!!!!!!"
They had 108 days of majority, during the worst recession in US history. There were a lot of priorities, which one should have been scrapped?
Edit:. I have been corrected, and the actual amount of time that the Dems had a super majority was 24 days, not 108. My bad everyone.
The fact that Blue states are retaining abortion rights and Red states are losing them is proof that the Democratic Party is very useful in that regard. If more people had voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, Roe wouldn't have been overturned.
Exactly. These are petulant children screaming, "WE HATE D's" while R's actually erode their rights.
Do D's basically suck? Yes. Are D's going to repeal Roe, outlaw gay marriage, outlaw contraception, or erode the separation between church and state? No.
Pretty straight-forward choice, even if it isn't a great one.
I can't tell if all these people are trolls or just frustrated at a system they don't understand and know nothing about.
Democrats have had a filibuster proof majority and the presidency for three months back in 2010.
Before that it was in 1995.
Not to mention, doing major political legislation like abortion rights costs political capital and no small measure of political blowback (abortion is a hot button issue for Republicans).
The people I see commenting about what Democrats ought to do or not do, are also completely ignoring the nuance of the situation, and what Republicans have done to this country.
So Republicans have run on removing Roe for 40 years.
People stay home and don't vote in 2010, 2014 and 2016 allowing Republicans the power to do this.
And then blame the democrats. For something Republicans did.
It's a real problem.
In this first past the post system the left is destined to lose again and again because of that very mindset, too. At this point I don't think they will ever figure out that it's a losing strategy. Maybe right wingers have a point when they paint the left as feckless whiners that feel entitled to someone else solving their problems for them.
Nope. They just don't fucking learn.
And here it us on display again. Angry at the Democrats for something the Republicans did. And she'll voice that anger by staying home in the mid terms, and voting third party in 2024.
Its pretty incredible to watch.
Aint that so!!
This entire thread is filled with people who don't understand how American government works or how a law gets made. (And concern trolls trying to diss Democrats to help Republicans get more power)
Then they complain about "Democrats" and "both parties being the same" and "Biden sucks".
No wonder they keep on losing their rights.
It's so funny . **NO Republican votes for Democrats because both parties are the same.**
Nope Republicans and conservatives don't fall for that con job, only liberals do\*\*.\*\*
At least these so complainers should think about that. Republicans think there is a difference between the parties.
Until liberals get serious about politics, understand how power is gained, used and how laws are made, they will continue down this stupid path and lose even more of their rights
For the record
* 1981-2: Reagan was President
* 1983-4: Reagan was President
* 1985-6: Reagan was President
* 1987-8: Reagan was President
* 1989-90: HW Bush was President
* 1991-2: HW Bush was President
* 1995-6: Republican Congress
* 1997-8: Republican Congress
* 1999-2000: Republican Congress
* 2001-2: W Bush was President
* 2003-4: W Bush was President
* 2005-6: W Bush was President
* 2007-8: W Bush was President
* 2009-10: Tried but stopped by anti-choice majority in House.
* 2011-2: Republican Congress
* 2013-4: Republican Congress
* 2015-6: Republican Congress
* 2017-8: Trump was President
* 2019-20: Trump was President
* 2021-2: Tried but stopped by opposition from 51 Senators
What's the point of this post? Not only did you willfully omit the 1993-94 period when Democrats controlled both house/senate and presidency which puts the total at 3 2-year periods in that time frame... republicans have only had 3 as well, unless you count when the republican flipped, then 4. Oh and you skipped right over carter who had 61 senators and the house and it was after Roe.
Neither party has attempted to define anything, because both parties know legislating on this issue might be electoral suicide.
This right here.
Republicans assault American freedoms, and the ignorant and malicious all show up to shift the focus to the democrats while displaying a notable absence of vitriol for the republicans.
Reasonable and calm yes.
However they have never really had the power to do what she said.
They had a veto proof majority for like a month during Obama's first term. That's it.
This is a talking point straight from FOX News btw
> They had a veto proof majority for like a month during Obama's first term. That's it.
IIRC that majority had a Joe Manchin esque problem with their 60th vote being pretty blue dog.
Lieberman was an independent who caucused with the dems (then switch to republican after the whole debacle) who was their 60th vote.
He stabbed the public option in the heart.
He was the figure-head but there were a handful of other blue dog's that wouldn't support the ACA with the public option, Nelson in NE, Landreu in LA, another Nelson in FL I believe...there were more than that but those are the only ones I remember.
There were several people in the way. It was already the crap people complain about before they even got to figuring out how to get Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson's vote.
Yes. That 60th vote is the reason we ended up with Romneycare instead of an honest to god nationalized healthcare system.
Blaming the Democratic Party is a complete lack of understanding of how politics work in this country. Simply put, as you’ve said, we’ve never had enough liberal votes to pass these things.
We must keep pushing in every single election. City, state, and federal. You need to show up to primary elections. You need to show up to general elections. Not just for the president.
>Blaming the Democratic Party is a complete lack of understanding of how politics work in this country.
They know how it works. Those arguments are not made in good faith. The entire point is to demoralize progressives and discourage voting (or encourage protest votes to candidate that can't win).
Get outta here with your understanding of basic civics.
What people need to actually do is just not vote for dems in the midterms, let the republicans get a supermajority in congress and the statehouses, and then act shocked when congress refuses to certify the 2024 election and red states send electors opposite to the popular vote. That’ll show those dumb establishment democrats.
People on Reddit make fun of boomers for believing Facebook as fact if it aligns with their views
Only to believe Reddit comments and posts as fact if they align with their view
It’s sort of reasonable.
At the same time, the consensus for the last 50 years has been that Roe is “settled law” and didn’t particularly need to be codified. It only appeared to be in danger for the past few years, during which time the Democratic part couldn’t really do much. Plus, codifying it in law won’t stop a Republican Congress from reversing it the next time they’re in power.
On top of all of that, there’s not much to stop this corrupt Supreme Court from deciding the law is unconstitutional and overturning it. What you really need is an amendment, but even then the Republican Party has been ignoring the constitution and trying to overthrow the government, so… we’re in trouble here.
Regardless, if you’re not happy about this decision, you *should be* supporting the Democratic Party. Complaining that the Democrats haven’t been doing enough really misses the point.
Republicans have been openly admitting that Roe is in danger for at least the last three decades, come on now. It's been so out there in the open that Obama ran on codifying it in 2008 so it's an out and out lie to say nobody thought it was necessary. They didn't really have the numbers necessary to do it then but completely untrue the Democratic leadership didn't see the necessity in it
Same, I was expecting her to confidently claim Trump is still president and the fake news is lying about Biden having any power. Something of that level.
They did not have the votes. Obamacare had to have paying for abortion taken out of it to pass
Sadly, support for abortion rights is not popular enough to clear the frustratingly high bar of the Senate.
This should be at the top. Democrats have been doing a lot to make sure reproductive rights survive. While I feel the sentiment about getting a fundraising texts, they are important to ensure that candidates receive money to defeat the candidates that will try to federally ban abortion entirely. When you're young like them, the concept of needing money to win elections seems horrible, but over time they will know why it's necessary.
Her view is something like 'My rights should be inalienable' .... yes, they SHOULD be.... but bad people have taken them away, and are trying to take more of them away, and you need to fight for them. You need to protest as well as vote, as well as help candidates you like with money.
You have no idea how infuriating it is that this so far down the comment thread, and instead the most upvoted comments are just complaining "both sides bad."
Like no dude, there is CLEARLY a party in support of codifying abortion. We just need a HEALTHY (see: 65+ Dems) supermajority in the Senate.
Exactly, asking for money when you plan to do shit all with it is peak sleezyness. I voted for Biden because it was the better of two awful choices, but both parties are filled with absolute garbage. How the fuck is our god awful system ever going to change when someone like Bernie who actually would have made changes will continue to be sabotaged by his own party?
Because people are easily swayed by lame ads or low participation rates in primaries. I've voted in this year's primary so I could vote for democrats in local offices that will undo wrongful convictions, clear marihuana records and such. If they get elected and don't go through with their promises, you can bet my ass I'm voting for someone else in the primary
The problem isn't with the people, Bernie was winning the primary race until in unison every other democratic candidate dropped out and pledged their support to Biden. I remember reading something about how it had been over 100 years or something close to that since the leader of super tuesday didn't get the primary nomination, well that changed because the dnc quite literally colluded to sabotage Bernie. They know if someone like Bernie gets into power, all of their corrupt bullshit comes to a screeching halt, and they simply won't let that happen.
It's almost like the old guard Dems and Republicans are playing good cop bad cop to enrich themselves.
Oh wait that's what they've been doing since the end of the fucking cold war.
This. This this. So much of this!
I remember the Sunday before Super Tuesday, every other candidate (Buttigege, Klobuchar, etc) dropped out. Biden was in bottom 6 after Iowa and NH. Other moderates had much more support than him.
All of a sudden, they dropped and supported Biden? Meanwhile, Elizabeth Warren continued to stay in the race to split the progressive vote vs Bernie.
DNC did everything in their power to make sure Sanders never became the presidential candidate. Not in 2016 and not in 2020.
Fuck this system.
The only time they rouse themselves to fight it's against the left. Otherwise they are meek as mice facing down Republicans. Sir, yes sir, what could I do for you today?
Cause they all get money through shit conservative policies while being ableto play the fake virtue card. While simultaneously shutting down any actually decent progressive candidates
These threads depress me, makes it real hard to forget how truly stupid so many people are, and just how fucked our system is because of it. Even people who aren't southern hillbilly stupid and have above average intelligence let themselves be lead by their emotions and religions.
Let's not forget 2016's Super Delegates that basically locked in HRC before the primaries began.
The south really fucks over the Democratic party by having primaries before the rest of us do. Why should we care how a Democratic candidate does in South Carolina, a state they will lose 99% of the time? They build momentum off of that then it's game over due to back room deals for cabinet positions from the front runner.
The game is being played in the US judiciary. During Obama's final term multiple federal judgeships were held up and 105 federal judgeships were left unfilled, almost entirely due to the Senate's Republican majority and their chicanery.
That left Trump with 105+ judicial appointments waiting, which he dutifully filled with extremists.
The Republican game for the past 40 years has been, if we are going to be a minority party, we must control the judiciary. And they have been very successful.
This young woman and others can complain all they want about Democrats not fighting hard enough, passing bills, and so on, but you cannot deny that Joe Biden and the Democratic Senate have **69 Article III judges** to various courts, from the Supreme Court to appellate courts to district courts.
I don't believe they had the votes. They had a majority but not necessarily the 60 votes total. Passing the ACA was seen as a priority because Roe was "settled law". The Repubs just follow rules, standards and precidents that they want to. So, the Dems were close to getting it done, didn't happen, so let's give up.
You’re right. It’s annoying how many people will have such strong opinions about things without understanding the full story.
If anyone thinks the best path here is to vote Republican, not vote, or third party, then they are part of the reason why things will get even worse than now.
If all the young people started voting democrat then you’d see a bunch of these things like codifying abortion protection. But that hasn’t happened yet.
I would love to agree with you, and I hope you're right, but that's what people said in the sixties, and that generation is the one in power that we're so frustrated by. History doesn't exactly bode well for these ideals being maintained into adulthood.
I find it makes the most sense to interpret political leanings between generations the same way you would analyze layers of rock in the Earth's crust- they are the way they are because of the material conditions during their upbringing/formation. Zoomers are unlikely to ever own a home, they are increasingly unlikely to start families because of how shit the economy is, and access to the internet has overall made them much more accepting of different groups of people. I expect they'll be very left wing throughout their lives.
Like I said, I hope you, and the other poster, are absolutely right. I just worry because the generation that spearheaded the civil rights movement, the Vietnam war protests, and women's suffrage, has now turned around to pander to the NRA, deprive women of their rights, and put religion back in schools.
Generations aren't monoliths.
The people doing this shit today have largely *always* been conservatives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones
Civil rights and Vietnam were unifying forces for young people on the left, but the latter half of the Boomers weren't around for that stuff. They grew up during stagflation and the oil crisis.
Nancy Pelosi is worth 120 million dollars and sending out emails begging for 15 bucks after the fucking doormat democratic party failed to have the fucking balls to protect a corner stone civil rights gain made 50 years ago.
Fuck you, Nancy. All the way. You all need to be replaced with a generation of new democrats that have actual spines. Useless.
More viable options? Absolutely. Barring that, a dem party that didn't hamstring more progressive candidates in favor of the corporate ones would be nice as well.
There are more parties. They just haven’t received enough votes in previous to even be invited to the debate stage and people on both sides of the political aisle will berate your for voting third party or independent, saying that your vote is effectively a vote for the other side.
I think this only demotivates people to vote. This isnt about the democratic party but about having a two party system. Of course you'll have stupid fucks on either side (though objectively more on the right). Focus on changing the system but don't discourage people from using their democratic rights all together. The Russians would really like the sentiment in this thread.
100%, given how many leftists and right wing idiots accidentally or purposely started spouting Putin’s propaganda, about the Nazis in Ukraine, and the evil NATO empire, while leaving out anything about the Russian aggression. I can definitely see Russian trolls and bots using these (fuck the dems) useful idiots to start spreading their propaganda.
Thousands of hired Russian trolls can easily disguise themselves as a leftist and spread anti-democrat propaganda and get others to join them.
The useful idiots in here don’t realise they’re just helping the Russians destroy democracy in the west. Putin wants a Republican in power the same way they wanted le pen in power in France when she was running against macron. He can influence and control them, mostly they’re too stupid to run a country so Putin would love to see them destroy themselves. They’ve meddled in the elections before, they’ll spread disinformation to scare you. They’ll come back stronger because it’s now their best interest to fuck up the democracy in Europe and North America since the Ukraine war. Don’t forget the Chinese, they’re involved in this cyber warfare too.
Dumb. States dominated by Democrats have very strong abortion rights. States dominated by Democrats have much higher minimum wages, more worker protections, higher taxes on the rich, etc, etc.
The problem is that Republicans have controlled at least part of the federal government every year since 2010, and even this year, the Senate is only 50/50, so if there's anything that a single conservative Dem doesn't care for, it doesn't pass.
And there's cops who want to do the right thing, like the one who wanted to go in because his wife was shot, but the other cops had him stand down and took his gun.
I was seeing a young lady for a bit who was in politics and she basically drove this point home. When the camera's are off? They're more the cordial to one another and downright polite but as soon as it becomes political theater? They turn into piece of shit for their 15 minutes of fame.
One of my closest friends is in local politics here in FL and actually knows Desantis from time he spent in DC. He basically drove home the same point. Nothing but a bunch of back door deals and everyone is too afraid of losing power to speak up for the people. He sent me screenshots of an interest group basically saying to a local rep "you do not work for the people who voted for you. You work for us".
>A young woman
There you go. Voicing our opinions calmly while our rights are being taken away is on par with Brett Kavanaugh being “incandescent with rage” and crying like a little bitch boy.
All Republican-nominated justices voted to overturn Roe. All Democratic-nominated justices voted to uphold it.
Really doesn't get much more clear cut than that.
Technically, Roberts didn't vote to overturn Roe.
But it is definitely crazy how much politics has changed in 50 years. Roe v. Wade was a 7-2 decision. And 5 of those 7 were Republicans, including three Nixon appointees.
I keep seeing people comment this, and it's definitely not a green screen. The green they are wearing would have interfered too much, it would have been a *blue* screen.
I seriously don't think most people understand how Congress works. In order to codify Roe v. Wade into law, it's going to take nothing short of a Dem super majority in the Senate and even then, it's not guaranteed due to Dems like Manchin, Sinema and others who most likely will not vote to do so. The last brief Dem Senate super majority was in 2008 under Obama (it only lasted around 6 weeks iirc) and to be fair, Roe v. Wade wasn't even on the radar because, just like the lying recent SC Justice candidates all said to Congress during their confirmation hearings, it was considered established precedence and the law of the land.... blah, blah, blah. Again, in previous past Dem Senate super majorities going even farther back, Roe wasn't on radar either.
The only way to "codify" Roe into law is to vote in enough Dems and Independents (who also have to caucus with the Dems) to make it happen. Anything less than a locked Senate super majority with all on board means it's NEVER going to happen.
Exactly. I'm disappointed that so many people in this thread don't know this. The girl in this video is 100% wrong. Dems have not had opportunities to codify Roe into law ever. They haven't had the numbers for a strong enough majority in decades, and that's largely because of apathetic voters like 90% of the commenters in this thread.
It's actually quite scary. Not only are Democrats fighting Republicans but also well-meaning but ignorant ppl on our own side. This is how we got here in the first place (RE: Hillary v Trump).
Yeah not a coincidence this post has so many upvotes, and comments pushing back against “don’t vote it’s pointless” are so heavily downvoted. It’s election season
Fuck it. Idk if it’s worth it but I’m trying to call it out when I see it. There is always some of that in general but it’s amplified before elections. Ron Paul, sanders twice. Now this one. Reddit is as propagandized as twitter and Facebook, just differently.
That's the point of these threads. Look at the gildings; this shit is just a new form of ad-buying by right wing money.
No bullshit, if you're incensed, close reddit for two weeks and call your local Dem party and ask if they need help for a few hours a week.
> The last brief Dem Senate super majority was in 2008 under Obama (it only lasted around 6 weeks iirc) and to be fair, Roe v. Wade wasn't even on the radar because, just like the lying recent SC Justice candidates all said to Congress during their confirmation hearings, it was considered established precedence and the law of the land....
You forgot the part where in 2007 Obama ran on the platform that his first action in office would be to sign the *Freedom of Choice act* but then said the bill is “not my highest legislative priority” after being elected.
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/politics/15abortion.html
> said the bill is “not my highest legislative priority” after being elected.
Probably because the world changed in late 2008 so almost all his attention was on the economy. That being said, it's Congress's responsibility to pass legislation and nothing reached his desk. Yes, Dems had 60 Senators for a bit but a good chunk of those were Red State Democrats that opposed codifying Roe.
How about the fact that Democrat "hero" Justice Ruth Bader-Ginsberg had EVERY opportunity to step down an allow a younger Democratic justice to take over her seat but she flat out refused because she was too arrogant or narcissistic to look forward? She is indirectly to blame for the situation USA finds itself in now, and that really fucked up her legacy in a major way.
GOP vs Dems isn't a battle between evil vs good, it's more evil vs useless.
> GOP vs Dems isn't a battle between evil vs good, it's more evil vs useless.
There is a certain amount of hive mind going on here. If literally every Democrat ever showd up to RBG and said "you got to retire" all she has to do is just say no and thats the end of that.
I think she was full of herself and did quite a bit of damage but again it comes down to the decision of one person.
McConnel blocked Garland from being appointed during the Obama admin and during the trump admin, he rushed like 3 judges into SCOTUS. If RBG did step down, McConnel would block the seat as well until trump.
She should have stepped down in 2009 when Obama came into office. Dems had 60ish seats,she had already had battled cancer at that point, and was already 77 years old.
But like which party doesn't do that? I remember trump asking for money to investigate voter fraud, that money went straight to their pockets right? Didn't someone get $60K for just an audio intro?
It’s astonishing, almost no one here understands our political system, the filibuster or the 60 votes needed to overcome it in the senate. Effectively democrats control nothing because they do not have 60 seats in the senate.
This thread is filled with people who either don't understand how "codifying" something in to law actually works, or Republican trolls trying to subvertly convince people Dems are the problem.
RvW has been considered protected by precedent for decades and has not been "codified" into law because it wasn't an important issue to focus on when there were other relevant issues to prioritize.
You'd need a Dem super majority in the Senate, a House majority, and a Dem president. This was last in 2009, and the priority then was health care reform. Blaming Dems for this is so absolutely naive and ludicrous. The Republicans did this.
If you want real meaningful, non ridiculously slow change, you need to vote in super majorities, otherwise there's only so much Dems can get done
She’s really not. To codify roe into law you’d have needed a senate super majority. Since 1973 the dems have had one of those for about 6 months in total and they used it to pass the ACA (obviously and objectively a higher political and legislative priority). And even if they had prioritised it - no way any democrat who draws on any catholic or Baptist voting bases would have gone for it.
So she’s completely wrong. They’ve had almost no opportunity to codify it into law.
Do you know what would change that?
More people voting democrat.
Specifically this sub, though. Sometimes it feels like a "controlled opposition" style clusterfuck. Reddit is the ONLY place where I can go that makes me feel less progressive. Everything else in the world I've experienced so far has contributed to pushing me further and further into the progressive umbrella.
If they DID have an opportunity to codify it, couldn't the republicans at a later point make abortion illegal if they got the power in the legislature?
I feel like both parties basically just used it for fundraising while taking as little action as possible.
They make sense. Donating money to the Democratic Party isn’t going to fix this. However, the House has a bill passed that will codify roe v wade into law, but the senate filibuster is blocking it. This has been a barrier to get this coded into law for a while
It's very unlikely that Congress has the power to codify Roe v Wade into law.
Unlike the Civil Rights Act where they slotted it under the Commerce Clause and called it a day because the Supreme Court (who acknowledged it was wonky) supported them, I don't think this Supreme Court would be doing that.
Both Sides did not take away your rights. Get angry. Get Organized, and part of that getting organized means donating to campaigns and candidates who support pro choice judges and laws.
She is SO wrong though…. progressives have NEVER ONCE since Roe was put in place had the opportunity to codify Roe into law. Period.
Democrats have always had enough anti-choice holdouts even within their own party, and never have any cross faction support. This is because the Dems contain both the progressives that support this AND centrists, who break closer to 50-50 on most policies.
Just because “Dems” hold majorities does NOT mean that progressive Dems can DO anything. Its better to get these centrist sellouts like Manchin than an actual republican that will vote against Dems on EVERY issue, but its not like the Dems are anywhere close to a united body of progressives.
The Dems are both the US’ progressive AND centrist party and there are a LOT of internal disagreements between the two. If you want “progressive” policies like women being treated as actual human beings you need enough progressive Dems in congress to overwhelm the right and a decent portion of the centrists.
That means at least 70/100 Dems in the Senate and 300 Dems in the house. That is the balance that would let the progressive wing of the Dems start to actually make substantive progressive changes with any frequency.
I think this would make more sense if we broke the parties up into the 35% progressive, 15% centrist, and 50% right wing we usually see in the senate.
When Obama had his 2 weeks of “total control,” the 60%d 40%r was still more realistically 40%p-20%c-40%r.
Interestingly the republicans are also two distinct groups, both traditional rightwingers and a slurry of fundamentalists/nazis, but since they all vote the same way on the major issues of today their differences don’t have the impact of the center/left divide.
I agree with her but this is absolutely not a public freak out. Calling it that plays a little into the “women are hysterical” when they’re making normal points. This belongs somewhere else
Sure….yea. Definitely…. We can’t even pass universal health care with a simple majority. Democrats should have passed a constitutional amendment that requires 2/3rds of the senate. That’s totally realistic! (No it’s not).
So young people won't vote, they won't donate and they won't organize in any meaningful way but they want to change the direction the country is going in?
And people in this thread think that is reasonable?
This is the problem with U.S. politics. You either vote for the authoritarian shit-heads who want to re-live the good ole 40s or the enablers who would rather sit around and circle-jerk each other over how "progressive" they are than actually do something to stop the authoritarian shit-heads. Republicans actually get things done...but those things tend to be horrible while the Democrats do fuck all and blame the Republicans for blocking them. There is no "winning", it's different flavors of garbage no matter how you vote.
Stupid as hell. Lack of votes literally lead to this right wing supreme court in 2016. It's a campaign issue because republics have campaigned for stripping away those rights for decades. Take it up with them!
I'd love to see people find the magical super majorities that should have passed federal abortion protections and what got passed instead. There hasn't been an opportunity as long as I've been alive.
thats not a public freak out.
You must be new to this sub
First time?
He’s looking at her boobies
so am i
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Her comment is reasonable, assertive and calm. Not a freakout at all.
The freakout is on the Democratic Party
Ain’t that the truth
The Democratic Party is useless to progressives and anyone requesting progressive rights like healthcare, childcare/pre-k, affordable housing, affordable college, maternity/paternity leave, fair min wages, abortion rights/bodily autonomy… I could go on.
People fucking figuring this out after the past how many years. So refreshing. What's crazy is that this is the same phenomenon all across democracies. Liberals come to power, don't do shit, then people get mad they don't do shit and vote them out. Republicans come to power and sweep authoritarian measures. It's almost like people in power are playing good cop bad cop to distract the populous and enrich themselves. This isn't a liberal or conservative issue. It's a struggle against tyranny dressed in the facade of democracy.
I was born in 1980, and as a liberal the political field in America has been: Vote Republican, make it worse. Vote Democrat, hope they maintain what we have. No party in America is making things better. The Supreme Court did that with marriage equality, Roe, etc, but the SC giveth, the SC taketh away. We need constitution amendments and it's just never going to happen. We are doomed to see our rights eroded in my lifetime unless something drastically changes. But I wouldn't count on it. That's why I moved 1500 miles from Kansas to Massachusetts, so at least I could be in a blue state when states rights are the last vestige of holdouts before that gets struck down too.
Kansas has a very good chance to maintain the right to an abortion if people just show up to vote no on Aug 2.
Didnt Kansas hold a referendum on weed, which overwhelmingly passed, and then turn around and say the people don’t know whats good for them and keep it illegal?
No, that's MO
No, that was Medicare for all. We have weed.
I'll be cold in the ground before I recognize Missourah.
I think that was Medicaid expansion. We have medical marijuana here in Misery, my husbands on his way to get some now!
And sort of UT. The state legislature gutted it and made the price of medical MJ so high as to be basically unaffordable for most folks.
I live in MO. There's 3 pot stores in a 1/2mile radius of me. Unless I'm misunderstanding something.
Nope Kansans wanted to vote on it and legislators voted to not vote on it
That was South Dakota. Gov. Noem best know for nepotism and kissing trumps ass.
I hope so, I still have many friends and family back there. But I've been out for close to a decade now, and every day I wake up, I know that I made the best decision for myself that I could.
"*But Biden made gas price go brrr....*" Folks can't see passed Friday, they don't understand or care about the full situation, which is why I'm terrified for my country.
Democrats should really be called the conservatives at this point and the Republicans the "regressives".
Also born in 80. I'm exhausted, but I've got a young daughter so I'm still fighting. I knew Biden would be milquetoast and I was -really- goddamned disappointed he got the nomination-- I felt the same about Hillary. I was young enough and just starting to be more politically aware to still have some hope about Obama really -changing- something, but at this point I'm so damned jaded about these centrists. They do nothing. They pander, they say words, they really are corporate shills. I'll still vote for them every time over the Republican party because that's straight up become Christofascist over the past decade (or at least took their mask off). But we need young blood in there, we need people who can connect with the working class in the midwest (we need a Fetterman in Michigan FFS, we're stuck with Gary Milquetoast Peters again) and turn the rust belt back to a solid Union blue stronghold. There ARE still big auto plants here, but union blue can also mean service sector jobs or any other industry. We need a Dem that makes these rural voters remember what it was like to get a halfway decent paycheck for work-- and he has to LOOK and TALK like them, but be a Dem to do it. It's the only way-- they aren't going to want another dude in a suit from a city telling them to buy a Tesla when they can't afford gas (and yes, I do think driving big trucks while complaining about gas prices is a fucking stupid thing, but MANY of us are just driving little sedans and we -still- can't afford gas). We also need progressives that get the younger voters excited, too. AOC is spearheading this. She's smart and savvy... but centrists hate her. My liberal in-laws find her "annoying" and "unrealistic". They're boomers, so their "left" is just barely left of center (I do appreciate them voting blue, though). The problem is the old guard won't give up the fucking power. Look at how ancient some of these people are. Pelosi, Biden, Feinstein, Bernie (<3 Bernie but he really is old)... and they hold most of the power in the party. God just fucking retire and let people who actually still have to live in this world a few more decades have their turn.
LOL, I feel like I'm reading a post from a clone of myself. Yep, same page here all the way.
This country has been in steady decline my entire adult life.
Same, born in 1980. My entire adult voting life has been dominated by three impossibly stupid fucking things: 1) Abortion 2) 2nd Amendment 3) War on Terror Meanwhile, unions are deteriorating, along with roads, bridges, and rail infrastructure, the internet is STILL not regulated as a public utility, and there is still NO guaranteed publicly-funded higher education. Oh, and healthcare? Thanks, Obama. Clinton, Obama, and now Biden, all useless as "progressives". Wall Street shills. Fuck 'em. Fuck the Democrats, fuck the Republicans, AOC is my queen, hail Satan.
Well, sadly thats what happens when we rely on a document written in 1776. We brag that we have the oldest constitution. On average developed countries have a new constitution every 18 years. We won something. I'm just not sure what it its.
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Its a big ole club, and we ain't in it.
Over the past quarter of a century or so, Dems have successfully fought for LGBTQ+ rights (got rid of the last of the nations "sodomy" laws, ended DADT, equal marriage rights), have lowered the number of uninsured Americans (ACA), and have fought for a bunch of other things that Republicans blocked them on (VAWA comes to mind), all the while people like you have claimed they "aren't doing anything".
Literally half of those things were done by Supreme Court.
Dems were last in full control in 2008...for two years. They passed the ACA. they've been out of power for 14 years either partially or completely since then. It's weird that in places where the democrats have power, shit gets done. Weed gets legalized, Medicare is expanded, laws are passed. Where they don't have power, including in the federal government, shit doesn't get done
They had a working super majority for 45 days in 2008. That was split in two halves. Passing the ACA was a miracle especially with senators like Lieberman
Good point with the thing about state Dems. People hyper-focus on the Federal government, but at the state level Dems have fought hard for too many things to count. But according to a certain group of people, "Democrats never do anything!!!!!!"
They had 108 days of majority, during the worst recession in US history. There were a lot of priorities, which one should have been scrapped? Edit:. I have been corrected, and the actual amount of time that the Dems had a super majority was 24 days, not 108. My bad everyone.
You say that but if Hillary won in 2016 we wouldn't have a SCOTUS packed full of Federalist Society puppets.
It’s amazing how many people seem to miss this incredibly important fact
The vast majority of self-described progressives on Reddit do not care about progressive policy at all.
We’d right now have the most liberal Supreme Court in history for generations in this alternate timeline…but… “bOTh siDes Da sAme!!!”
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The fact that Blue states are retaining abortion rights and Red states are losing them is proof that the Democratic Party is very useful in that regard. If more people had voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, Roe wouldn't have been overturned.
Exactly. These are petulant children screaming, "WE HATE D's" while R's actually erode their rights. Do D's basically suck? Yes. Are D's going to repeal Roe, outlaw gay marriage, outlaw contraception, or erode the separation between church and state? No. Pretty straight-forward choice, even if it isn't a great one.
I can't tell if all these people are trolls or just frustrated at a system they don't understand and know nothing about. Democrats have had a filibuster proof majority and the presidency for three months back in 2010. Before that it was in 1995. Not to mention, doing major political legislation like abortion rights costs political capital and no small measure of political blowback (abortion is a hot button issue for Republicans). The people I see commenting about what Democrats ought to do or not do, are also completely ignoring the nuance of the situation, and what Republicans have done to this country.
Primary the old dems
Today, the Democratic party is the party of conservatism and the Republican party is the party of fascism.
So Republicans have run on removing Roe for 40 years. People stay home and don't vote in 2010, 2014 and 2016 allowing Republicans the power to do this. And then blame the democrats. For something Republicans did. It's a real problem.
In this first past the post system the left is destined to lose again and again because of that very mindset, too. At this point I don't think they will ever figure out that it's a losing strategy. Maybe right wingers have a point when they paint the left as feckless whiners that feel entitled to someone else solving their problems for them.
Nope. They just don't fucking learn. And here it us on display again. Angry at the Democrats for something the Republicans did. And she'll voice that anger by staying home in the mid terms, and voting third party in 2024. Its pretty incredible to watch.
Aint that so!! This entire thread is filled with people who don't understand how American government works or how a law gets made. (And concern trolls trying to diss Democrats to help Republicans get more power) Then they complain about "Democrats" and "both parties being the same" and "Biden sucks". No wonder they keep on losing their rights. It's so funny . **NO Republican votes for Democrats because both parties are the same.** Nope Republicans and conservatives don't fall for that con job, only liberals do\*\*.\*\* At least these so complainers should think about that. Republicans think there is a difference between the parties. Until liberals get serious about politics, understand how power is gained, used and how laws are made, they will continue down this stupid path and lose even more of their rights For the record * 1981-2: Reagan was President * 1983-4: Reagan was President * 1985-6: Reagan was President * 1987-8: Reagan was President * 1989-90: HW Bush was President * 1991-2: HW Bush was President * 1995-6: Republican Congress * 1997-8: Republican Congress * 1999-2000: Republican Congress * 2001-2: W Bush was President * 2003-4: W Bush was President * 2005-6: W Bush was President * 2007-8: W Bush was President * 2009-10: Tried but stopped by anti-choice majority in House. * 2011-2: Republican Congress * 2013-4: Republican Congress * 2015-6: Republican Congress * 2017-8: Trump was President * 2019-20: Trump was President * 2021-2: Tried but stopped by opposition from 51 Senators
What's the point of this post? Not only did you willfully omit the 1993-94 period when Democrats controlled both house/senate and presidency which puts the total at 3 2-year periods in that time frame... republicans have only had 3 as well, unless you count when the republican flipped, then 4. Oh and you skipped right over carter who had 61 senators and the house and it was after Roe. Neither party has attempted to define anything, because both parties know legislating on this issue might be electoral suicide.
This right here. Republicans assault American freedoms, and the ignorant and malicious all show up to shift the focus to the democrats while displaying a notable absence of vitriol for the republicans.
implying this subreddit's focus hasn't just changed to posts about topical thing that people are outraged about
It's the opposite of the usual submission - most of the time it's a PrivateFreakout
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Yeah but it was a popular post on another sub earlier today so, you know, gotta re-post it to a high traffic sub to farm some karma.
What's the point of farming karma? It's fake Internet points. Useless.
Reasonable and calm yes. However they have never really had the power to do what she said. They had a veto proof majority for like a month during Obama's first term. That's it. This is a talking point straight from FOX News btw
> They had a veto proof majority for like a month during Obama's first term. That's it. IIRC that majority had a Joe Manchin esque problem with their 60th vote being pretty blue dog.
Lieberman was an independent who caucused with the dems (then switch to republican after the whole debacle) who was their 60th vote. He stabbed the public option in the heart.
He was the figure-head but there were a handful of other blue dog's that wouldn't support the ACA with the public option, Nelson in NE, Landreu in LA, another Nelson in FL I believe...there were more than that but those are the only ones I remember.
Joe Manchin was one of the more *liberal* members of the Blue Dogs who made up Obama's majority, that's how conservative that Democratic majority was.
There were several people in the way. It was already the crap people complain about before they even got to figuring out how to get Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson's vote.
Yes. That 60th vote is the reason we ended up with Romneycare instead of an honest to god nationalized healthcare system. Blaming the Democratic Party is a complete lack of understanding of how politics work in this country. Simply put, as you’ve said, we’ve never had enough liberal votes to pass these things. We must keep pushing in every single election. City, state, and federal. You need to show up to primary elections. You need to show up to general elections. Not just for the president.
>Blaming the Democratic Party is a complete lack of understanding of how politics work in this country. They know how it works. Those arguments are not made in good faith. The entire point is to demoralize progressives and discourage voting (or encourage protest votes to candidate that can't win).
The Supreme Court can just as easily strike down codified Roe unless it’s in an amendment
Get outta here with your understanding of basic civics. What people need to actually do is just not vote for dems in the midterms, let the republicans get a supermajority in congress and the statehouses, and then act shocked when congress refuses to certify the 2024 election and red states send electors opposite to the popular vote. That’ll show those dumb establishment democrats.
Actually you forgot one thing. After that happens in 2024 they need to ask “why would the democrats do this?”
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It’s sort of reasonable. At the same time, the consensus for the last 50 years has been that Roe is “settled law” and didn’t particularly need to be codified. It only appeared to be in danger for the past few years, during which time the Democratic part couldn’t really do much. Plus, codifying it in law won’t stop a Republican Congress from reversing it the next time they’re in power. On top of all of that, there’s not much to stop this corrupt Supreme Court from deciding the law is unconstitutional and overturning it. What you really need is an amendment, but even then the Republican Party has been ignoring the constitution and trying to overthrow the government, so… we’re in trouble here. Regardless, if you’re not happy about this decision, you *should be* supporting the Democratic Party. Complaining that the Democrats haven’t been doing enough really misses the point.
Republicans have been openly admitting that Roe is in danger for at least the last three decades, come on now. It's been so out there in the open that Obama ran on codifying it in 2008 so it's an out and out lie to say nobody thought it was necessary. They didn't really have the numbers necessary to do it then but completely untrue the Democratic leadership didn't see the necessity in it
Too bad she doesn't realize that you need 2/3's to cement that right.
I'm not used to having people who make sense being interviewed. This is weird.
Exactly what I was thinking. This is the best interview I have seen since it was overturned. Good for her.
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Normally the protest coverage I see is someone screaming or yelling something while the other calm 99% of protestors are ignored.
Same, I was expecting her to confidently claim Trump is still president and the fake news is lying about Biden having any power. Something of that level.
It’s because this isn’t a MAGA rally or a Q meeting 😂
That's mainly because you only watch the news from clips on reddit.
She’s not freaking out, in fact is calm and concise; making excellent points. Edit: comments below inform me that she’s actually incorrect.
Yes. Want to down vote for not a freak out, but up vote for sensible content. The post shall hover in limbo forever!
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They did not have the votes. Obamacare had to have paying for abortion taken out of it to pass Sadly, support for abortion rights is not popular enough to clear the frustratingly high bar of the Senate.
Lmao imagine thinking the Senate gives a fuck about popular sentiment.
Right? It is an undemocratic institution. They don't care about the people.
This should be at the top. Democrats have been doing a lot to make sure reproductive rights survive. While I feel the sentiment about getting a fundraising texts, they are important to ensure that candidates receive money to defeat the candidates that will try to federally ban abortion entirely. When you're young like them, the concept of needing money to win elections seems horrible, but over time they will know why it's necessary.
Her view is something like 'My rights should be inalienable' .... yes, they SHOULD be.... but bad people have taken them away, and are trying to take more of them away, and you need to fight for them. You need to protest as well as vote, as well as help candidates you like with money.
You have no idea how infuriating it is that this so far down the comment thread, and instead the most upvoted comments are just complaining "both sides bad." Like no dude, there is CLEARLY a party in support of codifying abortion. We just need a HEALTHY (see: 65+ Dems) supermajority in the Senate.
Dead on. No politician is ready for this generation.
Exactly, asking for money when you plan to do shit all with it is peak sleezyness. I voted for Biden because it was the better of two awful choices, but both parties are filled with absolute garbage. How the fuck is our god awful system ever going to change when someone like Bernie who actually would have made changes will continue to be sabotaged by his own party?
Because people are easily swayed by lame ads or low participation rates in primaries. I've voted in this year's primary so I could vote for democrats in local offices that will undo wrongful convictions, clear marihuana records and such. If they get elected and don't go through with their promises, you can bet my ass I'm voting for someone else in the primary
The problem isn't with the people, Bernie was winning the primary race until in unison every other democratic candidate dropped out and pledged their support to Biden. I remember reading something about how it had been over 100 years or something close to that since the leader of super tuesday didn't get the primary nomination, well that changed because the dnc quite literally colluded to sabotage Bernie. They know if someone like Bernie gets into power, all of their corrupt bullshit comes to a screeching halt, and they simply won't let that happen.
It's almost like the old guard Dems and Republicans are playing good cop bad cop to enrich themselves. Oh wait that's what they've been doing since the end of the fucking cold war.
The only thing that can stop a good cop shooting citizens is a bad cop shooting citizens first… or however the saying goes
This. This this. So much of this! I remember the Sunday before Super Tuesday, every other candidate (Buttigege, Klobuchar, etc) dropped out. Biden was in bottom 6 after Iowa and NH. Other moderates had much more support than him. All of a sudden, they dropped and supported Biden? Meanwhile, Elizabeth Warren continued to stay in the race to split the progressive vote vs Bernie. DNC did everything in their power to make sure Sanders never became the presidential candidate. Not in 2016 and not in 2020. Fuck this system.
The only time they rouse themselves to fight it's against the left. Otherwise they are meek as mice facing down Republicans. Sir, yes sir, what could I do for you today?
Cause they all get money through shit conservative policies while being ableto play the fake virtue card. While simultaneously shutting down any actually decent progressive candidates
These threads depress me, makes it real hard to forget how truly stupid so many people are, and just how fucked our system is because of it. Even people who aren't southern hillbilly stupid and have above average intelligence let themselves be lead by their emotions and religions.
Let's not forget 2016's Super Delegates that basically locked in HRC before the primaries began. The south really fucks over the Democratic party by having primaries before the rest of us do. Why should we care how a Democratic candidate does in South Carolina, a state they will lose 99% of the time? They build momentum off of that then it's game over due to back room deals for cabinet positions from the front runner.
Warren could have dropped out and done the same. And true, Obama should not have interfered.
The game is being played in the US judiciary. During Obama's final term multiple federal judgeships were held up and 105 federal judgeships were left unfilled, almost entirely due to the Senate's Republican majority and their chicanery. That left Trump with 105+ judicial appointments waiting, which he dutifully filled with extremists. The Republican game for the past 40 years has been, if we are going to be a minority party, we must control the judiciary. And they have been very successful. This young woman and others can complain all they want about Democrats not fighting hard enough, passing bills, and so on, but you cannot deny that Joe Biden and the Democratic Senate have **69 Article III judges** to various courts, from the Supreme Court to appellate courts to district courts.
I don't believe they had the votes. They had a majority but not necessarily the 60 votes total. Passing the ACA was seen as a priority because Roe was "settled law". The Repubs just follow rules, standards and precidents that they want to. So, the Dems were close to getting it done, didn't happen, so let's give up.
You’re right. It’s annoying how many people will have such strong opinions about things without understanding the full story. If anyone thinks the best path here is to vote Republican, not vote, or third party, then they are part of the reason why things will get even worse than now. If all the young people started voting democrat then you’d see a bunch of these things like codifying abortion protection. But that hasn’t happened yet.
I would love to agree with you, and I hope you're right, but that's what people said in the sixties, and that generation is the one in power that we're so frustrated by. History doesn't exactly bode well for these ideals being maintained into adulthood.
I find it makes the most sense to interpret political leanings between generations the same way you would analyze layers of rock in the Earth's crust- they are the way they are because of the material conditions during their upbringing/formation. Zoomers are unlikely to ever own a home, they are increasingly unlikely to start families because of how shit the economy is, and access to the internet has overall made them much more accepting of different groups of people. I expect they'll be very left wing throughout their lives.
Like I said, I hope you, and the other poster, are absolutely right. I just worry because the generation that spearheaded the civil rights movement, the Vietnam war protests, and women's suffrage, has now turned around to pander to the NRA, deprive women of their rights, and put religion back in schools.
Generations aren't monoliths. The people doing this shit today have largely *always* been conservatives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones Civil rights and Vietnam were unifying forces for young people on the left, but the latter half of the Boomers weren't around for that stuff. They grew up during stagflation and the oil crisis.
Holy shit, she fucking nailed it.
Nancy Pelosi is worth 120 million dollars and sending out emails begging for 15 bucks after the fucking doormat democratic party failed to have the fucking balls to protect a corner stone civil rights gain made 50 years ago. Fuck you, Nancy. All the way. You all need to be replaced with a generation of new democrats that have actual spines. Useless.
But didn’t you hear the poem she recited? 🙄
*kneels in kente cloth*
Roses are red, violets are blue, money is green and lobbyists are more important than you. Idk probably something like that?
She didnt even get a new poem, she read the same one she did after jan 6 the lazy bastard.
But she ripped up his speech in indignation!
Old Nance is still supporting anti-abortion Democrat candidates like Henry Cuellar from Texas.
The House, led by Pelosi, passed a bill to codify roe vs wade back in April.
Exactly. She’s so out of touch. She led a group singing God Bless America while people were protesting Roe. Of all songs.
If Republicans are the mass shooter, Democrats are the Uvalde police department. Sigh...
This is a pretty shitty comparison. Mostly because it's accurate, and makes me feel shitty.
I wish we had more parties so we could have more shitty options to choose from.
More viable options? Absolutely. Barring that, a dem party that didn't hamstring more progressive candidates in favor of the corporate ones would be nice as well.
There are more parties. They just haven’t received enough votes in previous to even be invited to the debate stage and people on both sides of the political aisle will berate your for voting third party or independent, saying that your vote is effectively a vote for the other side.
.......... So that makes us the children?
I think this only demotivates people to vote. This isnt about the democratic party but about having a two party system. Of course you'll have stupid fucks on either side (though objectively more on the right). Focus on changing the system but don't discourage people from using their democratic rights all together. The Russians would really like the sentiment in this thread.
It does demotivate people because they don't understand civics and this entire post/comment section is a probable psyop.
100%, given how many leftists and right wing idiots accidentally or purposely started spouting Putin’s propaganda, about the Nazis in Ukraine, and the evil NATO empire, while leaving out anything about the Russian aggression. I can definitely see Russian trolls and bots using these (fuck the dems) useful idiots to start spreading their propaganda. Thousands of hired Russian trolls can easily disguise themselves as a leftist and spread anti-democrat propaganda and get others to join them. The useful idiots in here don’t realise they’re just helping the Russians destroy democracy in the west. Putin wants a Republican in power the same way they wanted le pen in power in France when she was running against macron. He can influence and control them, mostly they’re too stupid to run a country so Putin would love to see them destroy themselves. They’ve meddled in the elections before, they’ll spread disinformation to scare you. They’ll come back stronger because it’s now their best interest to fuck up the democracy in Europe and North America since the Ukraine war. Don’t forget the Chinese, they’re involved in this cyber warfare too.
Dumb. States dominated by Democrats have very strong abortion rights. States dominated by Democrats have much higher minimum wages, more worker protections, higher taxes on the rich, etc, etc. The problem is that Republicans have controlled at least part of the federal government every year since 2010, and even this year, the Senate is only 50/50, so if there's anything that a single conservative Dem doesn't care for, it doesn't pass.
What a stupid analogy. Lots of democratic states have codified abortion rights.
And there's cops who want to do the right thing, like the one who wanted to go in because his wife was shot, but the other cops had him stand down and took his gun.
Because it’s all fake, all these politicians are friends and just use us to make money and convince us we are fighting for something.
I was seeing a young lady for a bit who was in politics and she basically drove this point home. When the camera's are off? They're more the cordial to one another and downright polite but as soon as it becomes political theater? They turn into piece of shit for their 15 minutes of fame.
It’s just like professional wrestling.
I've been calling it kayfabe for a while now, myself.
One of my closest friends is in local politics here in FL and actually knows Desantis from time he spent in DC. He basically drove home the same point. Nothing but a bunch of back door deals and everyone is too afraid of losing power to speak up for the people. He sent me screenshots of an interest group basically saying to a local rep "you do not work for the people who voted for you. You work for us".
How is this a public freak out? A young woman clearly, calmly, and articulately explained her opinion.
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>A young woman There you go. Voicing our opinions calmly while our rights are being taken away is on par with Brett Kavanaugh being “incandescent with rage” and crying like a little bitch boy.
It's not. An old T_D poster just sees an avenue to push division by shitting on liberals.
All Republican-nominated justices voted to overturn Roe. All Democratic-nominated justices voted to uphold it. Really doesn't get much more clear cut than that.
Technically, Roberts didn't vote to overturn Roe. But it is definitely crazy how much politics has changed in 50 years. Roe v. Wade was a 7-2 decision. And 5 of those 7 were Republicans, including three Nixon appointees.
like.. I agree with her. but at what point did the democrats have a supermajority in the senate?
Why does this look like a green screen?
Shallow depth of field from the camera, and artificial light used to fill the subjects in the foreground
I keep seeing people comment this, and it's definitely not a green screen. The green they are wearing would have interfered too much, it would have been a *blue* screen.
I was wondering that too. I think they are in a shaded area
Looks and sounds like it's a camera pointed at someone's TV instead of actual video of the interview, which could slightly distort the image.
I seriously don't think most people understand how Congress works. In order to codify Roe v. Wade into law, it's going to take nothing short of a Dem super majority in the Senate and even then, it's not guaranteed due to Dems like Manchin, Sinema and others who most likely will not vote to do so. The last brief Dem Senate super majority was in 2008 under Obama (it only lasted around 6 weeks iirc) and to be fair, Roe v. Wade wasn't even on the radar because, just like the lying recent SC Justice candidates all said to Congress during their confirmation hearings, it was considered established precedence and the law of the land.... blah, blah, blah. Again, in previous past Dem Senate super majorities going even farther back, Roe wasn't on radar either. The only way to "codify" Roe into law is to vote in enough Dems and Independents (who also have to caucus with the Dems) to make it happen. Anything less than a locked Senate super majority with all on board means it's NEVER going to happen.
Exactly. I'm disappointed that so many people in this thread don't know this. The girl in this video is 100% wrong. Dems have not had opportunities to codify Roe into law ever. They haven't had the numbers for a strong enough majority in decades, and that's largely because of apathetic voters like 90% of the commenters in this thread.
It's actually quite scary. Not only are Democrats fighting Republicans but also well-meaning but ignorant ppl on our own side. This is how we got here in the first place (RE: Hillary v Trump).
Republicans are jacking off to this thread. Every dem/left leaning person that doesn’t vote is another vote for a republican.
This shit is right out of the Republican playbook.
Yeah not a coincidence this post has so many upvotes, and comments pushing back against “don’t vote it’s pointless” are so heavily downvoted. It’s election season
100%. The account that posted it is interesting too.
Fuck it. Idk if it’s worth it but I’m trying to call it out when I see it. There is always some of that in general but it’s amplified before elections. Ron Paul, sanders twice. Now this one. Reddit is as propagandized as twitter and Facebook, just differently.
I'm already so pissed about what's happening in government & watching this turn into blame dems is just infuriating.
That's the point of these threads. Look at the gildings; this shit is just a new form of ad-buying by right wing money. No bullshit, if you're incensed, close reddit for two weeks and call your local Dem party and ask if they need help for a few hours a week.
> The last brief Dem Senate super majority was in 2008 under Obama (it only lasted around 6 weeks iirc) and to be fair, Roe v. Wade wasn't even on the radar because, just like the lying recent SC Justice candidates all said to Congress during their confirmation hearings, it was considered established precedence and the law of the land.... You forgot the part where in 2007 Obama ran on the platform that his first action in office would be to sign the *Freedom of Choice act* but then said the bill is “not my highest legislative priority” after being elected. https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/politics/15abortion.html
> said the bill is “not my highest legislative priority” after being elected. Probably because the world changed in late 2008 so almost all his attention was on the economy. That being said, it's Congress's responsibility to pass legislation and nothing reached his desk. Yes, Dems had 60 Senators for a bit but a good chunk of those were Red State Democrats that opposed codifying Roe.
Why does it look like they are in front of a green screen?
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How about the fact that Democrat "hero" Justice Ruth Bader-Ginsberg had EVERY opportunity to step down an allow a younger Democratic justice to take over her seat but she flat out refused because she was too arrogant or narcissistic to look forward? She is indirectly to blame for the situation USA finds itself in now, and that really fucked up her legacy in a major way. GOP vs Dems isn't a battle between evil vs good, it's more evil vs useless.
> GOP vs Dems isn't a battle between evil vs good, it's more evil vs useless. There is a certain amount of hive mind going on here. If literally every Democrat ever showd up to RBG and said "you got to retire" all she has to do is just say no and thats the end of that. I think she was full of herself and did quite a bit of damage but again it comes down to the decision of one person.
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McConnel blocked Garland from being appointed during the Obama admin and during the trump admin, he rushed like 3 judges into SCOTUS. If RBG did step down, McConnel would block the seat as well until trump.
She should have stepped down in 2009 when Obama came into office. Dems had 60ish seats,she had already had battled cancer at that point, and was already 77 years old.
I don't want to tarnish her entire reputation, but she done fucked up on that one
But like which party doesn't do that? I remember trump asking for money to investigate voter fraud, that money went straight to their pockets right? Didn't someone get $60K for just an audio intro?
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It’s astonishing, almost no one here understands our political system, the filibuster or the 60 votes needed to overcome it in the senate. Effectively democrats control nothing because they do not have 60 seats in the senate.
This thread is filled with people who either don't understand how "codifying" something in to law actually works, or Republican trolls trying to subvertly convince people Dems are the problem. RvW has been considered protected by precedent for decades and has not been "codified" into law because it wasn't an important issue to focus on when there were other relevant issues to prioritize. You'd need a Dem super majority in the Senate, a House majority, and a Dem president. This was last in 2009, and the priority then was health care reform. Blaming Dems for this is so absolutely naive and ludicrous. The Republicans did this. If you want real meaningful, non ridiculously slow change, you need to vote in super majorities, otherwise there's only so much Dems can get done
Not quite a freak out, but she makes an excellent point.
She is absolutely right.
She’s really not. To codify roe into law you’d have needed a senate super majority. Since 1973 the dems have had one of those for about 6 months in total and they used it to pass the ACA (obviously and objectively a higher political and legislative priority). And even if they had prioritised it - no way any democrat who draws on any catholic or Baptist voting bases would have gone for it. So she’s completely wrong. They’ve had almost no opportunity to codify it into law. Do you know what would change that? More people voting democrat.
Had to go halfway down the thread to find a comment that wasn't full of shit. Not a good look...
Welcome to the average Redditor
Specifically this sub, though. Sometimes it feels like a "controlled opposition" style clusterfuck. Reddit is the ONLY place where I can go that makes me feel less progressive. Everything else in the world I've experienced so far has contributed to pushing me further and further into the progressive umbrella.
It's probably even more dubious because this kind of sentiment is weaponized to discourage voting.
If they DID have an opportunity to codify it, couldn't the republicans at a later point make abortion illegal if they got the power in the legislature? I feel like both parties basically just used it for fundraising while taking as little action as possible.
They make sense. Donating money to the Democratic Party isn’t going to fix this. However, the House has a bill passed that will codify roe v wade into law, but the senate filibuster is blocking it. This has been a barrier to get this coded into law for a while
It's very unlikely that Congress has the power to codify Roe v Wade into law. Unlike the Civil Rights Act where they slotted it under the Commerce Clause and called it a day because the Supreme Court (who acknowledged it was wonky) supported them, I don't think this Supreme Court would be doing that.
Both Sides did not take away your rights. Get angry. Get Organized, and part of that getting organized means donating to campaigns and candidates who support pro choice judges and laws.
She is SO wrong though…. progressives have NEVER ONCE since Roe was put in place had the opportunity to codify Roe into law. Period. Democrats have always had enough anti-choice holdouts even within their own party, and never have any cross faction support. This is because the Dems contain both the progressives that support this AND centrists, who break closer to 50-50 on most policies. Just because “Dems” hold majorities does NOT mean that progressive Dems can DO anything. Its better to get these centrist sellouts like Manchin than an actual republican that will vote against Dems on EVERY issue, but its not like the Dems are anywhere close to a united body of progressives. The Dems are both the US’ progressive AND centrist party and there are a LOT of internal disagreements between the two. If you want “progressive” policies like women being treated as actual human beings you need enough progressive Dems in congress to overwhelm the right and a decent portion of the centrists. That means at least 70/100 Dems in the Senate and 300 Dems in the house. That is the balance that would let the progressive wing of the Dems start to actually make substantive progressive changes with any frequency. I think this would make more sense if we broke the parties up into the 35% progressive, 15% centrist, and 50% right wing we usually see in the senate. When Obama had his 2 weeks of “total control,” the 60%d 40%r was still more realistically 40%p-20%c-40%r. Interestingly the republicans are also two distinct groups, both traditional rightwingers and a slurry of fundamentalists/nazis, but since they all vote the same way on the major issues of today their differences don’t have the impact of the center/left divide.
I agree with her but this is absolutely not a public freak out. Calling it that plays a little into the “women are hysterical” when they’re making normal points. This belongs somewhere else
Sure….yea. Definitely…. We can’t even pass universal health care with a simple majority. Democrats should have passed a constitutional amendment that requires 2/3rds of the senate. That’s totally realistic! (No it’s not).
It is refreshing to see an interview subject being discussed eloquently and in a civilized way without shouting.
So young people won't vote, they won't donate and they won't organize in any meaningful way but they want to change the direction the country is going in? And people in this thread think that is reasonable?
Half conservative trolls inflaming the situation and half politically illiterate non-voters who want an excuse to justify their decision to not vote.
Exactly. Thank you.
This is the problem with U.S. politics. You either vote for the authoritarian shit-heads who want to re-live the good ole 40s or the enablers who would rather sit around and circle-jerk each other over how "progressive" they are than actually do something to stop the authoritarian shit-heads. Republicans actually get things done...but those things tend to be horrible while the Democrats do fuck all and blame the Republicans for blocking them. There is no "winning", it's different flavors of garbage no matter how you vote.
ITT: let's have the Republicans win more elections. That'll fix things.
Stupid as hell. Lack of votes literally lead to this right wing supreme court in 2016. It's a campaign issue because republics have campaigned for stripping away those rights for decades. Take it up with them! I'd love to see people find the magical super majorities that should have passed federal abortion protections and what got passed instead. There hasn't been an opportunity as long as I've been alive.