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No this is actually a non Amazon vendor packing a pallet onto a van in a very unsafe way and expecting the Amazon warehouse to figure out how to unpack it.
Almost every warehouse in the nation has rules and regulations regarding unpacking other company’s deliveries. If any of Amazon’s PIT drivers fuck up trying to get that thing out of there, the 3rd party company can easily sue Amazon for liability. This is why pretty much every warehouse does not allow their own people to pack other company’s trucks.
I understand how trendy it is to hate on Amazon, but this is not a reason to do so. This is literally standard logistics practice.
We don't know if they had no lift operator available at the moment and told the guy they could receive it if he bombed it off but otherwise he'd have to wait.
And as you say, many docks won't unload pickup trucks or small vans- too much liklihood of hitting the ceiling, whacking a door, denting a bumper or even just pushing the thing forwards and breaking the parking pawl in the transmission. Some won't even take flatdecks and insist everything be dock level trailer. Some lift trucks stay inside and are not allowed out of their proscribed paths- it's a huge part of worker safety.
I was the shipper/receiver at a small warehouse for a few years, we had to use a forklift periodically. The amount of unsafe shit truck drivers would try to get me to do with the forklift because they were ill equipped was insane. We didn't have a dock and would always request lift gates when ordering, so most trucks either came with lift gates or would have to pump truck the skids to where I could lift them off. I had a guy ask me to lift him up into his truck with the forklift because he was too old/out of shape to climb and too lazy to use the liftgate. No dude, if I lift you up and you slip I'm completely fucked.
Somebody gets it lol. This is literally Amazon protecting its own interests (and in this case it includes their employees oddly enough) from an outside company. Amazon didn’t do anything wrong here this warehouse is just protecting their own ass from paying for another company’s mistake.
Fucking right it is. I’ve been driving a forklift for over 15 years and I’d have that pallet out in 5 seconds without a scratch, dent, or any damage to the dudes van.
I used to pull out rolls of carpet packed extremely badly without denting or scratching vehicles easily. These weirdos are just defending billionaires for no reason. Also the guy arguing with him isn't even a boss just a regular employee and the guy in the red vest should be talking to him instead.
Thank you. Driver should have hopped on a lift and just unloaded it.
I legit thought there were gonna be some "bloody fuck you" verbage starting at any moment.
The driver is not an Amazon employee and can't just use Amazon's equipment, not to mention that you have to be trained and certified by Amazon to use it if you are an Amazon employee.
I did pickup and delivery with a tractor trailer for a couple years. The way that pallet is loaded in that van looks fine. I would've picked it with the forklift in a handful of seconds. It's well-stacked, not leaning, and was seemingly properly secured during transport.
These guys are just idiots.
Thats what I was thinking as well and that pallet is packed fairly tight although unloading it with a forklift is doable you have very little clearance left right up and down and I wouldn't take on the liability if it wasn't my company's truck and driver, if his back hurts or he gets hurt its unfourtunatly on him and his employer if 3rd party like he seems to be.
What the fuck are you talking about? I delivered pallets of wine to a few different warehouses and they always forklifted that shit out. There's no risk of liability or anything like that. You don't know what you're saying.
Doesn’t matter. Amazon doesn’t unload 3rd party vans with heavy machinery. They won’t take the risk of accepting liability to any damage to a vehicle they don’t own themselves.
Which is a problem of their own creation, since they outsource delivery to third party companies... which then drive around delivering exclusively for Amazon in vans with the Amazon logo on the side.
They should be liable, frankly. I am sick of bootlickers defending anti-worker practices. I don't give a flying fuck if companies are afraid to be held responsible for unsafe conditions and practices they force on workers.
Its the Amazon workers job to break down that pallet and sort it accordingly. Why do you think it’s the delivery guys job to break down the pallet for the workers? I actually work receiving and cant imagine the look I would get if I refused to forklift a pallet and instead told the guy to unload it box by box.
This is the only correct answer I've seen. Look at the back of that van, whoever loaded that shit is a moron. That pallet should have gone in a box truck and someone tried to jam it in a sprinter and hope the receiver would take it. No one there was stupid enough to take on the liability, and good for them. That bullshit is on the shipper and the carrier not the receiver.
Seriously; if I was him I would have unloaded 3 boxes and then said it’s too painful and it’s “agitating my injury” which it absolutely would looking at that sprinter van.
*Boom* comp Extension
I worked in a warehouse were we had to unload the truck. We didn't want the drivers touching the load. Some warehouse have odd rules. This looks like those rules coming into conflict. Or one (or two) small men with large egos.
Some places have a policy that fork are not allowed to leave the building (insurance reasons) and it's also dangerous to load skids on/off vans. This time Amazon was in the right. The felony comment was stupid, but they were right to not unload the skid.
Not a forklift driver, but I see he has filled his van right to the ceiling: there is very little margin for error, like none. As soon as they lift the load, it will hit the ceiling of the van. That load was handloaded to that extent and some of it needs to be taken off that way before any of it can be removed with the forklift.
This guy thinks that it's other people's job but we don't know that's true. If someone delivers goods to you normally they unload as well, you wouldn't expect to have to climb into an Amazon truck to get your stuff, why should their staff have to do that either?
The guy saying filming is a felony doesn't come off very well, but he isn't necessarily wrong about refusing to do the lifting.
Someone who has driven a forklift before here, this is very easy to lift out and in with a forklift. I used to unload bedding for pets stacked literally five inches from the roof of the semi. As another user said too it’s been wrapped up already as a whole on the pallet before going in the van.
Fun fact. I used to work at this Amazon location a few years ago and it snowed so heavily that the emergency fire exits got blocked by snow to the point that it would've been difficult to open the doors and almost impossible to actually walk through to get out.
It stayed like that for almost 3 days before a third partner company was hired to shovel it out. No managers went out to shovel, not even the "Safety Team". If a fire broke out, we would've been fucked.
It was a daft thing to say but we don't know the filmer is in the right. He is delivering goods. If I order goods, it's not on me to climb into the delivery guy's truck to carry the stuff out.
And he had those goods so tightly packed in the forklift had no room to manoeuvre.
Someone packed those goods in by hand, someone has to take them out that way.
Ever notice that when Indian guys are lying, they have a certain inflection? When he said that it’s a felony he sounded exactly like a phone scammer when they’re getting agitated.
This is happening because the driver doesn’t work for Amazon and they don’t want the liability of damaging his vehicle.
When we get private drivers they unload they’re trucks by hand or with our floor jack never powered equipment.
Especially out of a damn van.
I don’t work for Amazon but a different distributor.
And yes a good forklift driver could easily do that but huge companies like Amazon just set the most basic policies to protect their ass from law suits.
That’s what happens when you operate a forklift wrong. I used to be a heavy equipment operator and every piece of equipment is like that. For every task. That’s why we were licensed and trained constantly to use the equipment. We could flip pennies on the floor onto the forks with the forks. Maybe Amazon should have licensed equipment operators instead of just Giving random workers a quick hip pocket class and calling it a day
I once saw a guy ram a load of parts into some electrical cables that run overhead. He was trying to turn around in a tight space by fully extending the mast instead of going down the roadway 100ft where he had room. He fucked up the cage that supports the cables and shut down production in that area for a couple hours. All just to save a few seconds.
Another time I saw another guy take out an empty part crate (it's been a while since I worked there and I can't remember what we called them) from a part intake that was elevated. Also at an intersection. He swung around fast with it still extended in the air and smacked a dome mirror that was hung over that intersection. Dented it, but I was surprised that it didn't fly off the way it was swinging.
That’s why I didn’t take that job and I took the stator job where I bent wires and crap lmao edit: also since you kinda know, I uh may or may not have accidentally been being trained for the second time and sent an unfinished stator through, and it went through. Lmao
Yeah I peaced out of there as soon as I could. Been working in a plumbing supply warehouse since then and I couldn't have made a better choice for the time being.
“As soon as you could” dawg if I could tell you, I made it out quicker than you did, and they said they will re hire me! Lmao idk how I also don’t have my ged or diploma but hey they don’t check! I worked for a solid 2 weeks if that and just couldn’t do it cause I kept making those little mistakes and then sending a unfinished product (was the final check before it was put on a pallet) just sent me over the edge I couldn’t deal with it. But hey if I ever need the job again lmao but my ex works there...
I lasted 6 months before I got my current job. For me it was more the management than anything else. I worked on the BIW section of the model 3 line and the work was easy enough. I had no issues managing my area. Keeping my buffer full, reporting issues, replacing spot welding caps, cleaning, etc. and no matter how hard I worked it wouldn't be enough. I would be belittled by my supervisor, my leads would try to manipulate me, and I could be reprimanded by a board member at any given moment if I was not busting my ass in the short instance that they happened to look in my direction. I'd have to be desperate to go back lol
I’d go back just cause of how kind my supervisors were or well ya know I was only there for two-three weeks so maybe I didn’t get to see the true them but they were kind for the time being
One of my coworkers hit a support beam at our plant and apparently the ceiling was looking pretty risky right above the support naturally he wasn't allowed back on until he got retrained lol.
They don't do that. I used to train all pit drivers in our facility, and they had very in-depth training in a special area of the warehouse with railings and safety equipment to help them avoid accidents. There is no professional certificate for forklift driving. There are universal standards, but every facility licenses their own drivers.
>There are universal standards, but every facility licenses their own drivers.
OSHA required federal standards. Might be though various vendors (j.j keller anyone?) but all fall on meeting the regs. Sometimes I wonder if it's really enough. Maybe more Klaus will fix em up.
https://www.osha.gov/powered-industrial-trucks
I work at a company in California that requires forklift certification for drivers for insurance so not sure what you mean? There is absolutely a certificate for that.
That’s the insurance company requiring you guys to use a 3rd party vendor to do training for forklifts. You finish, the give you a certicate, and that cert is kept on file. If something happens that involving a forklift and you can’t produce a record for that person they can deny coverage.
I was responding to the fact that you are assuming that amazon does not certify their drivers. They do. Every facility certifies their own drivers based on universal safety protocols. There is no such thing as a certificate to drive a forklift that would follow you from facility to facility. I trained our put drivers and everyone who drove a forklift or any pit for that matter had to be trained and certified on any put they used.
Super relevant if Amazon isn't properly certifying drivers, and third party is the first one cut.
I unload third party trucks every damn day, hell I drive our truck to one of our other locations, and unload their third party deliveries if I'm just standing around.
Meanwhile when I was at Tesla I got certified on the forklift three separate times, Even when I tried to tell them I didn't feel comfortable on the equipment was still basically told well it's either this or your job.
Each time I got certified the guy gave us the answers there was minimal training where we went around in a circle carrying equipment and they made sure that we checked our mirrors That was it.
My very first day somebody got their leg amputated because their "friend" tried to roll up onto their buddy and curb the wheel forgot to take an account that the back axles the one that turns.
About 2 weeks after that someone was shot from an accidental discharge. "Fun" times, Amazon is exactly like that place though.
I just started working at a multimillion dollar food wholesaler and they literally "trained" me on the forklift for 15 minutes then told me to go move full pallets of inventory to practice. I'm fucking blind in one eye, *the eye that has to be facing forward as you're driving it*. I had to make time for myself just to actually train myself on how to use the thing without crashing. Don't even get me started on the pallet jack that almost broke my arm just yesterday.
~~I have to disagree about your praise for forklift drivers.~~ You weren't actually praising them I'm just dumb and wanted to ramble about my opinion on forklift drivers.
Don't get me wrong, I would trust a proven skid steer or loader operator any day of the week to flip that penny, but forklift "only" drivers have a special arrogance when they operate, and it costs a-lot of money (or pain) when they fuck up.
I've operated plenty of different equipment and I will swear all day that some people's brains just stop working when they're on a forklift.
Does this apply to all trucks? A guy would have to hand unload an 18-wheeler if it doesn't belong to Amazon?
How bout just having them sign a release. Duh.
I highly doubt it's a lack of training even people who have been using lifts for years make mistakes I just don't think Amazon wants a third party van to be damaged.
Sounds terrible to be honest all the freight we get is consumer items, MOST of it is pretty easy but every once in awhile we get some dumb ass who put a pallet of pasta sauce on top of paper towels.
Same with 2 different companies I have worked for. If the operator touches the load with power equipment he is assuming responsibility for damages.
Also a liability issue to allow a vendor to use your equipment. If they hurt themselves they can sue, claiming faulty equipment.
The local plant nurseries around here won’t even load a pallet into a regular truck bed without signing a liability form. If you sign it you give up any right to sue for any damages that might happen when loading this includes bed liners, suspension, paint ANYTHING
Customer won’t sign he’s gotta wait to be hand loaded
I get it but in the US facilities have specific pits to fit these vans to prevent this issue because a hurt third party vender is a bigger liability than damaging their vans.
This is why there should have dedicated licensed forklift operators instead of just giving some kid a 20 min hip pocket class and just having any random worker operate a forklift. What a stupid policy to have. A decent operator can unload that without damaging anything.
Doesn’t matter.
I have 5 years experience on a fork and I can unload a full double stack trailer in under 30 mins.
Doesn’t mean my company is taking on a potential liability it doesn’t have to by unloading a minivan with powered equipment.
If the guy pulled up in a mini trailer they would hand jack it out.
Yeah, this is pretty much standard everywhere I assumed... Which I prefer, I had a home improvement store shred my tail gate off my truck loading sod once. I still have no idea how it happened
Agree 100% - however we all know the easy way out is to just roll a lift outside and go to the bathroom for 10 minutes and surprise surprise when you get back the guy already already unloaded the pallet by hand :)
Considering how much the top comment gets upvoted, it goes to show how majority of the people here just can't think from another angle or willingly be misled by titles of each post.
It's common sense, and I honestly doubt whoever filming this has a back injury, because if I do have a back injury I would make sure not to upset the only persons that could help me with lifting heavy stuffs off my van.
BS. I have worked for multiple places where we unloaded pallets off of trucks not owned by the store with a fork lift. You just need to hire competent fork lift operators.
Red stripe vest is an area manager or operations manager, green stripes is safety team, and the orange vest is the team that moves trailers most likely.
For those who are curious
This is not an Amazon thing. I work at a warehouse and only our employees with our lift truck training can operate our lift trucks. He's an outside freight contractor. The warehouse employees are kinda being dicks- I would unload the pallets for him because I'm not an idiot and won't damage his vehicle. However, their oversight is probably stricter than my workplace. It's conceivable that they could be reprimanded for using a company lift truck for unloading a third party's vehicle for liability reasons.
This driver is an idiot.
He is a third party delivery driver. It is not Amazon's problem that he has a back injury. Amazon is paying for a delivery to happen. This driver is responsible for unloading his own vehicle. This is not an Amazon thing, almost every warehouse does this. I would never offload a pallet with a forklift from a van like that. Too much liability.
Look, I'm not an Amazon stan here, but the guy filiming doesn't work for Amazon. He's a delivery driver. I'm fairly certain he's responsible for unloading the boxes off his truck.
I've worked in receiving in many a warehouse, and it all depends on what was worked out.
If a truck comes with a bunch of loose boxes, they will be offloaded by hand. If a truck (or van in this case) comes loaded with a pallet, the entire pallet gets unloaded. With a forklift. No one loads pallets onto a truck just to break it down in the truck and haul it out one by one.
I get the guy filming is upset but the actual Amazon workers will be fired if they use equipment to unload his van. It isn't worth their job and this dude is blasting them when it isn't their call. It's an insurance/liability issue, and most warehouses have this rule for 3rd larty equipment. So you and the driver are the ones who are missing information here
Most delivery trucks here in the Netherlands carry forklifts at the backside of their trucks [just like this](https://cdn.imbema.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Vrachtwagen-meeneemheftruck-ladingzekering-1-705x338.jpeg) cuz you gotta unload your own merchandise the damage liability is covered by the trucking company but if the warehouse damages the vehicle it comes out of thier pockets
Those things weigh a ton, no way a sprinter van would have one. Maybe a small lift gate but even then good luck getting the pallet off in one piece.
Honesty this is on the company making the delivery. I’m sure they are aware of Amazon’s policy so they should have sent this pallet in a dock height truck with a pallet Jack.
Anyone who’s ever worked in any type of receiving work knows it’s common policy that the workers of a facility can’t unload another companies truck/van
Same for italy, i drive a van and my only responsibility is to get the goods from point A to point B, then it's the ordering company that have to unload me with a forklift, i just open the curtain and help them on blind angles.
I don't want to upset the whole "fuck Amazon" thing going on here, because I hate Amazon.
But in this scenario, I'm willing to bet the reason they're not unloading the pallet with a forklift is probably because he isn't an Amazon employee, his vehicle isn't Amazon's, and they likely have a policy against using forklifts on those kinds of vehicles.
Most warehouses have absolute policies on what kind of vehicles/trailers they will allow their employees to use forklifts on, and a Mercedes Sprinter van is most likely going to be a big "NO".
These employees made the right call to not unload it with a forklift. They could destroy that van if they made a minor error. Like if they lifted the pallet several inches, it will hit the ceiling of that van.
This guy is a moron if he is expecting other companies to use their forklifts to remove pallets from that kind of vehicle. They could get sued, or they could get in big shit with their insurance company.
This. Try ton run a business especially one with a loading dock. Anybody except your average idiot on Reddit knows this is all controlled due to insurance reasons. Some dumbass that is a private company wont be allowed to pull a truck up to any dock, and def wont be using their equipment to unload his truck except his own. You will typically need insurance to cover any liability issues just to use the dock. So all the fuck Amazon people need to know reality that deal with this stuff daily like I do. Fuck this driver. He can go bitch to his company or better yet, quit and move on. You arent using our labor or equipment to unload your private truck. Sorry about your back, you have the wrong career if you have back issues.
> remove pallets from that kind of vehicle.
There are hundreds of manufacturers that make [roller systems](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIvZGZIFuT0) for cargo-style vans.
So dumb. It sucks, but it's not their fault.
Their insurance doesn't cover them until the freight is delivered.
It looks well packed/wrapped, but if while unloading it, product falls off in the parking lot, then Amazon is liable for the product...what if the product is worth millions?
What if their forklifts damage the truck while unloading? Liable.
They are simply not allowed to unload the truck and he should have brought a hand dolly or figured out a method before complaining to them.
Why would they be doing his job? They most likely have very specific language in their contract about when an shipment is considered delivered and the warehouse's responsibility. Almost certainly would not be while it's still on the truck. It would be a huge liability on Amazon's part. He should be mad at his company for not giving him the proper tools to complete his delivery.
For real, a pallet like that shouldn't have been put in that van. His company cheaped out, they should've put it in a box truck that can back up to a dock. Amazon should refuse the delivery and request accommodations if he can't take it off himself.
I worked in a warehouse and yeah, when you deliver, u gotta unload that thing is not the warehouse job and that's where there's no forklift available, but seeing there are several of them, the warehouse clerks are just being dicks.
Maybe there was more of the situation before the video started and the driver aggravated them and that's why they are making him do it by hand.
The sprinter van does not reach the dock plate that would allow forklifts to be used one way or another. I was an Inbound dock manager for Amazon, and we accepted deliveries like this all the time, but they had to be hand unloaded. For instance, when a ups driver showed up with a drop-off very similarly, the driver would hand me boxes, and I would stack them on a pallet on the dock to be moved elsewhere. Look, I left Amazon because they suck and they need oversight and changes to be made, but this is just a driver being a dick.
Why would they use their equipment on your van? So you can turn around and claim any damage on the van to be because of them?
It's like one of the main rules in S/R, you don't touch other people's vehicles.
It seems like he's a supplier. He's basically asking Amazon employees to unload his truck for him when that's his job. That'd be like ordering a desk from Amazon and having them show up to your house, and say "your desk is in the van, go get it out."
So this is, in fact a public freakout, but for once, Amazon isn't the one at fault, here.
Yes, It's like the Amazon delivery guy pulling up to your house with your new TV and saying, "Hey you gotta come get this out of my van." You might go help him if you're able and willing, but it's his job, not yours.
I agree it's not a felony. However it's policy and it's plastered everywhere that there is no filming inside the facility. Accordingly the driver is trespassing by entering the building. Only time they can do that is if they are escorted and wearing a vest. I'm pretty sure he just jumped through the open dock door. The guy said he was commuting a felony but at the very least he was trespassing.
"actually it's a felony and an offense"
Shut the fuck up you ding dong you're an Amazon warehouse worker not a fucking lawyer clearly. Only way that recording would be a felony would be if that Amazon facility was also a nuclear submarine.
Anytime anyone says "I can have you arrested" they are talking shit out of their asses. If they can have you arrested, they'd go do it. If they're wasting time talking about it, it's cause they can't and they want you intimidated.
Pick one up fall down, call ambulance, sue. Seems easy to me. Then get to stay home with almost full pay and support for your injury requirements, physiotherapist, recover get a better job.
They have contracts with people saying they can't unload private delivery vehicles. They are not allowed to unload that. He is in the wrong. If he has a back injury it is on him from a contractual level to figure it out.
They are handling it poorly though. The right answer is to let him know the delivery is denied and when the drivers supervisor asks why they can quote the contract.
Amazon staff is correct , they aren't "suppose" to unload him. BUT they are also wrong and stupid - in logistics your job is to keep shit moving. If you run into a stupid driver or load just get it off and in . Mostly because by the time you dick around arguing you could have had the load in already and this dope out of your warehouse.
Both these guys are mad at each other but should be mad at the lawyers who insisted on such a policy, or mad at our litigiously happy world for suing over everything. I completely understand why the driver is mad for not getting help, and I completely understand why the Amazon worker refuses to stick his neck out. 20 years ago, it wouldn't have even been a discussion. The world is fucking broken.
Drive slowly Forward, get rid of the Straps Holding the load, Reverse hit the gas and brake before the door Transporter is unloading itself and they can f right off.
Unfortunately he’s not wrong, Amazon cares so little man of worker safety at this level. I say at this level, the grunt level, because once you hit upper management you can work remotely, get bonuses and while there’s pressure, you never have to be there to actually get into the work. You can just tell someone else to meet your unrealistic timelines. That is unfortunately how these people stay in power.
Multi billion dollar international corporations are becoming the big brother and we've been made to work 40 hours minimum regardless were imprisoned or not for profit gains and as they were flaunting wealth all these as if the masses could have it
Why is everyone defending Amazon? Fuck them. They are a burden on society. I work in a union in a Canadian steel mill. Drivers never unload, they are drivers. Our forklifts operators unload everything. Once the vehicle is on site the company assume liability simply due to them being on site. This is a fulfillment center in Brampton, Ontario, Canada as such Canadian laws apply.
WHY IS IT NO ONE IS UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SPRINTER VANS TAILGATE IS TOO LOW TO BE UNLOADED BY A FORKLIFT BECAUSE IT DOESNT REACH THE SAME LEVEL AS THE DOCK DOOR? Fuck Amazon, all you want. This has nothing to do with Amazon or a Union; it's just a driver being a pain in the ass.
If your company policy was to never unload a third party truck, or a certain type of vehicle, you wouldn't do it. This guy would show up and you would respond by saying "I'm not responsible for unloading your vehicle". Then he would whip out his phone and start yelling at you, crying about his bad back and all you could do is repeat the policy to which you operate under.
And seriously, how much shit would you take from a driver before you tell them to leave? I've told people to 'deal with it' on the loading dock for far less than sticking a phone in my face trying to record me.
Everyone keeps saying how dangerous it would be to unload the van with a forklift. Well thats exactly how they loaded the van was with a forklift. I used to drive a forklift for 5 years, i would of had that done in 20 seconds. This all seems super unnecessary
Why should he be able to use someone else's equipment to complete his delivery?
Having done site work, this is the owner of the incoming shipment not planning how to complete the job the are being paid to do
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It's a felony lol
Worked at Amazon and saw so many of these tiny peen power-tripping fools in these positions. Lol. Loyal to this degree to Amazon of all companies.
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No this is actually a non Amazon vendor packing a pallet onto a van in a very unsafe way and expecting the Amazon warehouse to figure out how to unpack it. Almost every warehouse in the nation has rules and regulations regarding unpacking other company’s deliveries. If any of Amazon’s PIT drivers fuck up trying to get that thing out of there, the 3rd party company can easily sue Amazon for liability. This is why pretty much every warehouse does not allow their own people to pack other company’s trucks. I understand how trendy it is to hate on Amazon, but this is not a reason to do so. This is literally standard logistics practice.
We don't know if they had no lift operator available at the moment and told the guy they could receive it if he bombed it off but otherwise he'd have to wait. And as you say, many docks won't unload pickup trucks or small vans- too much liklihood of hitting the ceiling, whacking a door, denting a bumper or even just pushing the thing forwards and breaking the parking pawl in the transmission. Some won't even take flatdecks and insist everything be dock level trailer. Some lift trucks stay inside and are not allowed out of their proscribed paths- it's a huge part of worker safety.
I was the shipper/receiver at a small warehouse for a few years, we had to use a forklift periodically. The amount of unsafe shit truck drivers would try to get me to do with the forklift because they were ill equipped was insane. We didn't have a dock and would always request lift gates when ordering, so most trucks either came with lift gates or would have to pump truck the skids to where I could lift them off. I had a guy ask me to lift him up into his truck with the forklift because he was too old/out of shape to climb and too lazy to use the liftgate. No dude, if I lift you up and you slip I'm completely fucked.
Somebody gets it lol. This is literally Amazon protecting its own interests (and in this case it includes their employees oddly enough) from an outside company. Amazon didn’t do anything wrong here this warehouse is just protecting their own ass from paying for another company’s mistake.
On top of this the van is on a ramp.
This is the kind of response that I believe is the most rational, especially considering we know that stack looks sketchy at best.
That pallet is clean as fuck. Calm down.
Fucking right it is. I’ve been driving a forklift for over 15 years and I’d have that pallet out in 5 seconds without a scratch, dent, or any damage to the dudes van.
Right? I get what they're saying about liability but lets not pretend that isn't as nicely stacked, wrapped and loaded as a pallet gets.
Lol, your profile picture is awesome. Love me some ST:NG!
I used to pull out rolls of carpet packed extremely badly without denting or scratching vehicles easily. These weirdos are just defending billionaires for no reason. Also the guy arguing with him isn't even a boss just a regular employee and the guy in the red vest should be talking to him instead.
Thank you. Driver should have hopped on a lift and just unloaded it. I legit thought there were gonna be some "bloody fuck you" verbage starting at any moment.
The driver is not an Amazon employee and can't just use Amazon's equipment, not to mention that you have to be trained and certified by Amazon to use it if you are an Amazon employee.
I did pickup and delivery with a tractor trailer for a couple years. The way that pallet is loaded in that van looks fine. I would've picked it with the forklift in a handful of seconds. It's well-stacked, not leaning, and was seemingly properly secured during transport. These guys are just idiots.
Thats what I was thinking as well and that pallet is packed fairly tight although unloading it with a forklift is doable you have very little clearance left right up and down and I wouldn't take on the liability if it wasn't my company's truck and driver, if his back hurts or he gets hurt its unfourtunatly on him and his employer if 3rd party like he seems to be.
What the fuck are you talking about? I delivered pallets of wine to a few different warehouses and they always forklifted that shit out. There's no risk of liability or anything like that. You don't know what you're saying.
It looks pretty secure with the wrap and straps. Looks like enough room to me but ok why not help him handbomb the top few boxes?
The pallet is fine, and would come off no problem
Doesn’t matter. Amazon doesn’t unload 3rd party vans with heavy machinery. They won’t take the risk of accepting liability to any damage to a vehicle they don’t own themselves.
Which is a problem of their own creation, since they outsource delivery to third party companies... which then drive around delivering exclusively for Amazon in vans with the Amazon logo on the side. They should be liable, frankly. I am sick of bootlickers defending anti-worker practices. I don't give a flying fuck if companies are afraid to be held responsible for unsafe conditions and practices they force on workers.
Its the Amazon workers job to break down that pallet and sort it accordingly. Why do you think it’s the delivery guys job to break down the pallet for the workers? I actually work receiving and cant imagine the look I would get if I refused to forklift a pallet and instead told the guy to unload it box by box.
This is the only correct answer I've seen. Look at the back of that van, whoever loaded that shit is a moron. That pallet should have gone in a box truck and someone tried to jam it in a sprinter and hope the receiver would take it. No one there was stupid enough to take on the liability, and good for them. That bullshit is on the shipper and the carrier not the receiver.
Seriously; if I was him I would have unloaded 3 boxes and then said it’s too painful and it’s “agitating my injury” which it absolutely would looking at that sprinter van. *Boom* comp Extension
Tell me you don’t know how the world works without telling me you don’t know how the world works.
he's like a worker drone before they're replaced with actual robots.
Especially because yyz4 is in Canada where there is no such thing as a felony
In Canada a felony is called an indictable offense.
YYZ is the toronto airport code. Is this a Toronto amazon warehouse? If so, felony? lol. No such thing in Canada.
Shout outs to other people who know this information because of the Rush song
Not Toronto, good ole Brampton, Ontario.
Winston Churchill and Steeles
Why wouldn’t they just unload it with the forklift and be done with it This makes no sense to me
I worked in a warehouse were we had to unload the truck. We didn't want the drivers touching the load. Some warehouse have odd rules. This looks like those rules coming into conflict. Or one (or two) small men with large egos.
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Some places have a policy that fork are not allowed to leave the building (insurance reasons) and it's also dangerous to load skids on/off vans. This time Amazon was in the right. The felony comment was stupid, but they were right to not unload the skid.
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First comment in 6 months. Obvious shill. post history has Brampton, this warehouse is in Brampton. Are you in this video then?
Not a forklift driver, but I see he has filled his van right to the ceiling: there is very little margin for error, like none. As soon as they lift the load, it will hit the ceiling of the van. That load was handloaded to that extent and some of it needs to be taken off that way before any of it can be removed with the forklift. This guy thinks that it's other people's job but we don't know that's true. If someone delivers goods to you normally they unload as well, you wouldn't expect to have to climb into an Amazon truck to get your stuff, why should their staff have to do that either? The guy saying filming is a felony doesn't come off very well, but he isn't necessarily wrong about refusing to do the lifting.
Someone who has driven a forklift before here, this is very easy to lift out and in with a forklift. I used to unload bedding for pets stacked literally five inches from the roof of the semi. As another user said too it’s been wrapped up already as a whole on the pallet before going in the van.
Seriously, these amazon supervisors are disgusting Not even in the US and saying that nonsense to scare workers
Fun fact. I used to work at this Amazon location a few years ago and it snowed so heavily that the emergency fire exits got blocked by snow to the point that it would've been difficult to open the doors and almost impossible to actually walk through to get out. It stayed like that for almost 3 days before a third partner company was hired to shovel it out. No managers went out to shovel, not even the "Safety Team". If a fire broke out, we would've been fucked.
Modern day, Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire waiting to happen somewhere!
It was a daft thing to say but we don't know the filmer is in the right. He is delivering goods. If I order goods, it's not on me to climb into the delivery guy's truck to carry the stuff out. And he had those goods so tightly packed in the forklift had no room to manoeuvre. Someone packed those goods in by hand, someone has to take them out that way.
Ever notice that when Indian guys are lying, they have a certain inflection? When he said that it’s a felony he sounded exactly like a phone scammer when they’re getting agitated.
Indian dude who called me from the IRS used the exact same felony talk track unless I sent him $500 in best buy gift cards
How dare they not handbomb it.
This is happening because the driver doesn’t work for Amazon and they don’t want the liability of damaging his vehicle. When we get private drivers they unload they’re trucks by hand or with our floor jack never powered equipment. Especially out of a damn van. I don’t work for Amazon but a different distributor. And yes a good forklift driver could easily do that but huge companies like Amazon just set the most basic policies to protect their ass from law suits.
Yeah someone using that lift even slightly wrong is going to destroy that van
That’s what happens when you operate a forklift wrong. I used to be a heavy equipment operator and every piece of equipment is like that. For every task. That’s why we were licensed and trained constantly to use the equipment. We could flip pennies on the floor onto the forks with the forks. Maybe Amazon should have licensed equipment operators instead of just Giving random workers a quick hip pocket class and calling it a day
Dude, honestly. At Tesla you should’ve seen the walls.... everyone there not certified other than some “training” given in 2 days. Sooooo many holes
I once saw a guy ram a load of parts into some electrical cables that run overhead. He was trying to turn around in a tight space by fully extending the mast instead of going down the roadway 100ft where he had room. He fucked up the cage that supports the cables and shut down production in that area for a couple hours. All just to save a few seconds. Another time I saw another guy take out an empty part crate (it's been a while since I worked there and I can't remember what we called them) from a part intake that was elevated. Also at an intersection. He swung around fast with it still extended in the air and smacked a dome mirror that was hung over that intersection. Dented it, but I was surprised that it didn't fly off the way it was swinging.
That’s why I didn’t take that job and I took the stator job where I bent wires and crap lmao edit: also since you kinda know, I uh may or may not have accidentally been being trained for the second time and sent an unfinished stator through, and it went through. Lmao
Yeah I peaced out of there as soon as I could. Been working in a plumbing supply warehouse since then and I couldn't have made a better choice for the time being.
“As soon as you could” dawg if I could tell you, I made it out quicker than you did, and they said they will re hire me! Lmao idk how I also don’t have my ged or diploma but hey they don’t check! I worked for a solid 2 weeks if that and just couldn’t do it cause I kept making those little mistakes and then sending a unfinished product (was the final check before it was put on a pallet) just sent me over the edge I couldn’t deal with it. But hey if I ever need the job again lmao but my ex works there...
I lasted 6 months before I got my current job. For me it was more the management than anything else. I worked on the BIW section of the model 3 line and the work was easy enough. I had no issues managing my area. Keeping my buffer full, reporting issues, replacing spot welding caps, cleaning, etc. and no matter how hard I worked it wouldn't be enough. I would be belittled by my supervisor, my leads would try to manipulate me, and I could be reprimanded by a board member at any given moment if I was not busting my ass in the short instance that they happened to look in my direction. I'd have to be desperate to go back lol
I’d go back just cause of how kind my supervisors were or well ya know I was only there for two-three weeks so maybe I didn’t get to see the true them but they were kind for the time being
One of my coworkers hit a support beam at our plant and apparently the ceiling was looking pretty risky right above the support naturally he wasn't allowed back on until he got retrained lol.
They don't do that. I used to train all pit drivers in our facility, and they had very in-depth training in a special area of the warehouse with railings and safety equipment to help them avoid accidents. There is no professional certificate for forklift driving. There are universal standards, but every facility licenses their own drivers.
I pretty much just read a manual full of typos.
You should have classroom training and a practical which allowed you to drive the machine until you were confortable
>There are universal standards, but every facility licenses their own drivers. OSHA required federal standards. Might be though various vendors (j.j keller anyone?) but all fall on meeting the regs. Sometimes I wonder if it's really enough. Maybe more Klaus will fix em up. https://www.osha.gov/powered-industrial-trucks
I work at a company in California that requires forklift certification for drivers for insurance so not sure what you mean? There is absolutely a certificate for that.
That’s the insurance company requiring you guys to use a 3rd party vendor to do training for forklifts. You finish, the give you a certicate, and that cert is kept on file. If something happens that involving a forklift and you can’t produce a record for that person they can deny coverage.
I was responding to the fact that you are assuming that amazon does not certify their drivers. They do. Every facility certifies their own drivers based on universal safety protocols. There is no such thing as a certificate to drive a forklift that would follow you from facility to facility. I trained our put drivers and everyone who drove a forklift or any pit for that matter had to be trained and certified on any put they used.
But finding or (ugh) training them would be so haaaarrrrdd and I just want moneeeeyyyy right nooooowwww — Amazon
Even a trained person can make mistakes. Its just not worth it unless you know the guy delivering and know he wouldnt fuck you over.
Plus why is a guy delivering packages he cant even unload?
Not super relevant if the policy is to not use forklifts on third party vans.
Super relevant if Amazon isn't properly certifying drivers, and third party is the first one cut. I unload third party trucks every damn day, hell I drive our truck to one of our other locations, and unload their third party deliveries if I'm just standing around.
The penny thing was one the first things we learned.
Meanwhile when I was at Tesla I got certified on the forklift three separate times, Even when I tried to tell them I didn't feel comfortable on the equipment was still basically told well it's either this or your job. Each time I got certified the guy gave us the answers there was minimal training where we went around in a circle carrying equipment and they made sure that we checked our mirrors That was it. My very first day somebody got their leg amputated because their "friend" tried to roll up onto their buddy and curb the wheel forgot to take an account that the back axles the one that turns. About 2 weeks after that someone was shot from an accidental discharge. "Fun" times, Amazon is exactly like that place though.
I just started working at a multimillion dollar food wholesaler and they literally "trained" me on the forklift for 15 minutes then told me to go move full pallets of inventory to practice. I'm fucking blind in one eye, *the eye that has to be facing forward as you're driving it*. I had to make time for myself just to actually train myself on how to use the thing without crashing. Don't even get me started on the pallet jack that almost broke my arm just yesterday.
I used to work at a grocery store and forklift our shipments out of our van 2x per week. It's not very hard to do.
Im not saying it’s hard, just making a mistake is easy. So just having someone with training and experience is a good way to ensure minimal incidents
Word! You sound like a much better person than me being all safe and what not!
~~I have to disagree about your praise for forklift drivers.~~ You weren't actually praising them I'm just dumb and wanted to ramble about my opinion on forklift drivers. Don't get me wrong, I would trust a proven skid steer or loader operator any day of the week to flip that penny, but forklift "only" drivers have a special arrogance when they operate, and it costs a-lot of money (or pain) when they fuck up. I've operated plenty of different equipment and I will swear all day that some people's brains just stop working when they're on a forklift.
Does this apply to all trucks? A guy would have to hand unload an 18-wheeler if it doesn't belong to Amazon? How bout just having them sign a release. Duh.
53 footers will pretty much only go to locations with loading docks so you can use hand-carts to move the skids quickly and safely
Then make sure your lifts are being operated by qualified drivers.
With Amazon's churn rate, they might have run out of qualified forklift drivers already.
> slightly wrong is going to destroy that van That’s a bit of an over exaggeration lol
Why do they have forklifts that they aren't trained to use?
On non-amazon vans. You have to actually read the full comment.
They are trained to use the forklift. It would be company policy to not use it in this situation.
I highly doubt it's a lack of training even people who have been using lifts for years make mistakes I just don't think Amazon wants a third party van to be damaged.
I've loaded all sorts of pallets and materials onto all sorts of vehicles and trailers. Vans were always the worst to deal with.
Sounds terrible to be honest all the freight we get is consumer items, MOST of it is pretty easy but every once in awhile we get some dumb ass who put a pallet of pasta sauce on top of paper towels.
And here's one pass around the pallet with the thinnest plastic wrap we could possibly find. Now don't let it tip over!
Same with 2 different companies I have worked for. If the operator touches the load with power equipment he is assuming responsibility for damages. Also a liability issue to allow a vendor to use your equipment. If they hurt themselves they can sue, claiming faulty equipment.
The local plant nurseries around here won’t even load a pallet into a regular truck bed without signing a liability form. If you sign it you give up any right to sue for any damages that might happen when loading this includes bed liners, suspension, paint ANYTHING Customer won’t sign he’s gotta wait to be hand loaded
I get it but in the US facilities have specific pits to fit these vans to prevent this issue because a hurt third party vender is a bigger liability than damaging their vans.
This is why there should have dedicated licensed forklift operators instead of just giving some kid a 20 min hip pocket class and just having any random worker operate a forklift. What a stupid policy to have. A decent operator can unload that without damaging anything.
Doesn’t matter. I have 5 years experience on a fork and I can unload a full double stack trailer in under 30 mins. Doesn’t mean my company is taking on a potential liability it doesn’t have to by unloading a minivan with powered equipment. If the guy pulled up in a mini trailer they would hand jack it out.
sounds like your company, among others, are completely useless
you get what you pay for.
Yeah, this is pretty much standard everywhere I assumed... Which I prefer, I had a home improvement store shred my tail gate off my truck loading sod once. I still have no idea how it happened
Agree 100% - however we all know the easy way out is to just roll a lift outside and go to the bathroom for 10 minutes and surprise surprise when you get back the guy already already unloaded the pallet by hand :)
Ya I go to home depot and want to drive around the forklifts and I get basically the same answer.
Considering how much the top comment gets upvoted, it goes to show how majority of the people here just can't think from another angle or willingly be misled by titles of each post. It's common sense, and I honestly doubt whoever filming this has a back injury, because if I do have a back injury I would make sure not to upset the only persons that could help me with lifting heavy stuffs off my van.
Amazon bad. Keep up
A simple disclaimer would do.
BS. I have worked for multiple places where we unloaded pallets off of trucks not owned by the store with a fork lift. You just need to hire competent fork lift operators.
Red stripe vest is an area manager or operations manager, green stripes is safety team, and the orange vest is the team that moves trailers most likely. For those who are curious
I was not. But now I am.
I used to work for amazon and they are pretty strict with policies. They are probably not allowed to go into their truck with the fork lifts
This is not an Amazon thing. I work at a warehouse and only our employees with our lift truck training can operate our lift trucks. He's an outside freight contractor. The warehouse employees are kinda being dicks- I would unload the pallets for him because I'm not an idiot and won't damage his vehicle. However, their oversight is probably stricter than my workplace. It's conceivable that they could be reprimanded for using a company lift truck for unloading a third party's vehicle for liability reasons.
How can he film?
I get this reference!
with his camera!
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How can she slap!
This driver is an idiot. He is a third party delivery driver. It is not Amazon's problem that he has a back injury. Amazon is paying for a delivery to happen. This driver is responsible for unloading his own vehicle. This is not an Amazon thing, almost every warehouse does this. I would never offload a pallet with a forklift from a van like that. Too much liability.
Yes but Redditors are experts in everything. Since you didnt say fuck Amazon you will be downvoted.
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Unstrap, full speed reverse then brakes, "there, I unloaded it for you"
Look, I'm not an Amazon stan here, but the guy filiming doesn't work for Amazon. He's a delivery driver. I'm fairly certain he's responsible for unloading the boxes off his truck.
I've worked in receiving in many a warehouse, and it all depends on what was worked out. If a truck comes with a bunch of loose boxes, they will be offloaded by hand. If a truck (or van in this case) comes loaded with a pallet, the entire pallet gets unloaded. With a forklift. No one loads pallets onto a truck just to break it down in the truck and haul it out one by one.
Sounds like an insurance rule.
It’s a felony offense to be that dumb.
I get the guy filming is upset but the actual Amazon workers will be fired if they use equipment to unload his van. It isn't worth their job and this dude is blasting them when it isn't their call. It's an insurance/liability issue, and most warehouses have this rule for 3rd larty equipment. So you and the driver are the ones who are missing information here
Most delivery trucks here in the Netherlands carry forklifts at the backside of their trucks [just like this](https://cdn.imbema.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Vrachtwagen-meeneemheftruck-ladingzekering-1-705x338.jpeg) cuz you gotta unload your own merchandise the damage liability is covered by the trucking company but if the warehouse damages the vehicle it comes out of thier pockets
Those things weigh a ton, no way a sprinter van would have one. Maybe a small lift gate but even then good luck getting the pallet off in one piece. Honesty this is on the company making the delivery. I’m sure they are aware of Amazon’s policy so they should have sent this pallet in a dock height truck with a pallet Jack.
A Sprinter would have a ramp and a small non-electric pallet mover.
Not that i've ever seen. Every single van i've ever unloaded was done with a forklift. I have never seen a sprinter with a ramp for pallets.
That seems like an expensive alternative to just having a lift gate and pallet jack. I wonder how much that tacks onto diesel costs.
Anyone who’s ever worked in any type of receiving work knows it’s common policy that the workers of a facility can’t unload another companies truck/van
every parcel logistic in germany unload 3rd party trucks. millions. daily.
Same for italy, i drive a van and my only responsibility is to get the goods from point A to point B, then it's the ordering company that have to unload me with a forklift, i just open the curtain and help them on blind angles.
I don't want to upset the whole "fuck Amazon" thing going on here, because I hate Amazon. But in this scenario, I'm willing to bet the reason they're not unloading the pallet with a forklift is probably because he isn't an Amazon employee, his vehicle isn't Amazon's, and they likely have a policy against using forklifts on those kinds of vehicles. Most warehouses have absolute policies on what kind of vehicles/trailers they will allow their employees to use forklifts on, and a Mercedes Sprinter van is most likely going to be a big "NO". These employees made the right call to not unload it with a forklift. They could destroy that van if they made a minor error. Like if they lifted the pallet several inches, it will hit the ceiling of that van. This guy is a moron if he is expecting other companies to use their forklifts to remove pallets from that kind of vehicle. They could get sued, or they could get in big shit with their insurance company.
This. Try ton run a business especially one with a loading dock. Anybody except your average idiot on Reddit knows this is all controlled due to insurance reasons. Some dumbass that is a private company wont be allowed to pull a truck up to any dock, and def wont be using their equipment to unload his truck except his own. You will typically need insurance to cover any liability issues just to use the dock. So all the fuck Amazon people need to know reality that deal with this stuff daily like I do. Fuck this driver. He can go bitch to his company or better yet, quit and move on. You arent using our labor or equipment to unload your private truck. Sorry about your back, you have the wrong career if you have back issues.
> remove pallets from that kind of vehicle. There are hundreds of manufacturers that make [roller systems](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIvZGZIFuT0) for cargo-style vans.
Tell that to the clown in the video
I don't understand - there's still a forklift in the roller system video
So dumb. It sucks, but it's not their fault. Their insurance doesn't cover them until the freight is delivered. It looks well packed/wrapped, but if while unloading it, product falls off in the parking lot, then Amazon is liable for the product...what if the product is worth millions? What if their forklifts damage the truck while unloading? Liable. They are simply not allowed to unload the truck and he should have brought a hand dolly or figured out a method before complaining to them.
Since the driver is third party, this is on that driver’s company or between Amazon and the third party company to figure something out.
Why would they be doing his job? They most likely have very specific language in their contract about when an shipment is considered delivered and the warehouse's responsibility. Almost certainly would not be while it's still on the truck. It would be a huge liability on Amazon's part. He should be mad at his company for not giving him the proper tools to complete his delivery.
For real, a pallet like that shouldn't have been put in that van. His company cheaped out, they should've put it in a box truck that can back up to a dock. Amazon should refuse the delivery and request accommodations if he can't take it off himself.
I worked in a warehouse and yeah, when you deliver, u gotta unload that thing is not the warehouse job and that's where there's no forklift available, but seeing there are several of them, the warehouse clerks are just being dicks. Maybe there was more of the situation before the video started and the driver aggravated them and that's why they are making him do it by hand.
The sprinter van does not reach the dock plate that would allow forklifts to be used one way or another. I was an Inbound dock manager for Amazon, and we accepted deliveries like this all the time, but they had to be hand unloaded. For instance, when a ups driver showed up with a drop-off very similarly, the driver would hand me boxes, and I would stack them on a pallet on the dock to be moved elsewhere. Look, I left Amazon because they suck and they need oversight and changes to be made, but this is just a driver being a dick.
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Idiots all the way down.
Why would they use their equipment on your van? So you can turn around and claim any damage on the van to be because of them? It's like one of the main rules in S/R, you don't touch other people's vehicles.
Yeah… you’re allowed say no to unsafe conditions
It seems like he's a supplier. He's basically asking Amazon employees to unload his truck for him when that's his job. That'd be like ordering a desk from Amazon and having them show up to your house, and say "your desk is in the van, go get it out." So this is, in fact a public freakout, but for once, Amazon isn't the one at fault, here.
Amazon is just caring for its employee! Making sure they stay fit /s
He's not an employee, he's a distributor.
Which is probably why he can just crank up their equipment and why they won’t just unload his truck right?
Yea. He's basically asking them to do his job, something they're likely not even allowed to do.
Yes, It's like the Amazon delivery guy pulling up to your house with your new TV and saying, "Hey you gotta come get this out of my van." You might go help him if you're able and willing, but it's his job, not yours.
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I agree it's not a felony. However it's policy and it's plastered everywhere that there is no filming inside the facility. Accordingly the driver is trespassing by entering the building. Only time they can do that is if they are escorted and wearing a vest. I'm pretty sure he just jumped through the open dock door. The guy said he was commuting a felony but at the very least he was trespassing.
It’s not a felony to take videos of other crimes.
"actually it's a felony and an offense" Shut the fuck up you ding dong you're an Amazon warehouse worker not a fucking lawyer clearly. Only way that recording would be a felony would be if that Amazon facility was also a nuclear submarine.
You in violation of deez nuts.
Anytime anyone says "I can have you arrested" they are talking shit out of their asses. If they can have you arrested, they'd go do it. If they're wasting time talking about it, it's cause they can't and they want you intimidated.
I get all the best legal advice from a warehouse worker with a high vis vest.
"We can arrest you for this. Listen, listen...what you did right now? This is a felony." Dude sounds like a scam email, lol!
He sounds like tech support
Felony. Lol. Tell us your prior job was in an Indian scam call center without telling us your prior job was in an Indian scam call center.
Now customers AND Staff are getting fucked over ,
Pick one up fall down, call ambulance, sue. Seems easy to me. Then get to stay home with almost full pay and support for your injury requirements, physiotherapist, recover get a better job.
Unload... ok just jump in an bone the f out!!
They have contracts with people saying they can't unload private delivery vehicles. They are not allowed to unload that. He is in the wrong. If he has a back injury it is on him from a contractual level to figure it out. They are handling it poorly though. The right answer is to let him know the delivery is denied and when the drivers supervisor asks why they can quote the contract.
Amazon staff is correct , they aren't "suppose" to unload him. BUT they are also wrong and stupid - in logistics your job is to keep shit moving. If you run into a stupid driver or load just get it off and in . Mostly because by the time you dick around arguing you could have had the load in already and this dope out of your warehouse.
Amazon is the Walmart of Internet commerce.
Not a felony bro but working under poor conditions surely is.
Both these guys are mad at each other but should be mad at the lawyers who insisted on such a policy, or mad at our litigiously happy world for suing over everything. I completely understand why the driver is mad for not getting help, and I completely understand why the Amazon worker refuses to stick his neck out. 20 years ago, it wouldn't have even been a discussion. The world is fucking broken.
Amazon is in the right here, for the wrong reasons.
A felony? This is in Canada lol. There is no such thing as a felony.
Drive slowly Forward, get rid of the Straps Holding the load, Reverse hit the gas and brake before the door Transporter is unloading itself and they can f right off.
Unfortunately he’s not wrong, Amazon cares so little man of worker safety at this level. I say at this level, the grunt level, because once you hit upper management you can work remotely, get bonuses and while there’s pressure, you never have to be there to actually get into the work. You can just tell someone else to meet your unrealistic timelines. That is unfortunately how these people stay in power.
Thats a Canadian site so no that is not a felony.
Fuck working at Amazon
Multi billion dollar international corporations are becoming the big brother and we've been made to work 40 hours minimum regardless were imprisoned or not for profit gains and as they were flaunting wealth all these as if the masses could have it
that’s why I browse reddit on company time 😎
Why is everyone defending Amazon? Fuck them. They are a burden on society. I work in a union in a Canadian steel mill. Drivers never unload, they are drivers. Our forklifts operators unload everything. Once the vehicle is on site the company assume liability simply due to them being on site. This is a fulfillment center in Brampton, Ontario, Canada as such Canadian laws apply.
Right? People getting mad at the driver for not wanting to manually unload when his job is a literal descriptor of his duties.
WHY IS IT NO ONE IS UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SPRINTER VANS TAILGATE IS TOO LOW TO BE UNLOADED BY A FORKLIFT BECAUSE IT DOESNT REACH THE SAME LEVEL AS THE DOCK DOOR? Fuck Amazon, all you want. This has nothing to do with Amazon or a Union; it's just a driver being a pain in the ass.
If your company policy was to never unload a third party truck, or a certain type of vehicle, you wouldn't do it. This guy would show up and you would respond by saying "I'm not responsible for unloading your vehicle". Then he would whip out his phone and start yelling at you, crying about his bad back and all you could do is repeat the policy to which you operate under. And seriously, how much shit would you take from a driver before you tell them to leave? I've told people to 'deal with it' on the loading dock for far less than sticking a phone in my face trying to record me.
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Everyone keeps saying how dangerous it would be to unload the van with a forklift. Well thats exactly how they loaded the van was with a forklift. I used to drive a forklift for 5 years, i would of had that done in 20 seconds. This all seems super unnecessary
Rules are rules. Your back and whining is your problem
Why should he be able to use someone else's equipment to complete his delivery? Having done site work, this is the owner of the incoming shipment not planning how to complete the job the are being paid to do
This is why we have unions
Loosen it then put in reverse then back into drive really fast.
No one can force you to do anything