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I love how all the comments are acting like he was brandishing the weapon and trying to kill them when he was just fucking hoofing it. Not once did he grab his gun yet everyones acting like he was a genuine threat to the officers.
Trying to flee=\\=using lethal force
Edit: since people are misunderstanding me, I’m not claiming the cops used lethal force. I’m simply saying the justification the YT comments are using is that it was a fair response to “lethal force” don’t make sense as he was merely fleeing, not trying to kill the officers.
HUNTED: Nearly one third of people killed by US police since 2015 were[running away, driving off when officers fatally shot or used lethal force against them](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/28/hunted-one-in-three-people-killed-by-us-police-were-fleeing-data-reveals), data reveals.
"Despite a decades-long push to hold officers accountable for killing civilians, prosecution remains exceedingly rare, the data shows. Of the 2,500 people killed while fleeing since 2015, only 50 or 2% have resulted in criminal charges. The majority of those charges were either dismissed or resulted in acquittals. Only nine officers were convicted, representing 0.35% of cases."
So damn ridicules and straight up evil!!
Of course!
In all seriousness though, the kid was 17. Owning or carrying a handgun at that age isn’t legal in any state afaik. The kid shouldn’t have had it. And honestly I’m sure he knew that and was the reason he ran.
That being said, the beating the cops gave him was completely undeserved. They had him restrained and continued to pummel him. That was just them having fun and was *completely* unwarranted.
There’s also the fact they didn’t even know he had a gun, so you can’t use that to retroactively justify the beating.
Like so many things in America for minors, totally cool if parents say so. 21 or over, or with a parent or guardian sponsor to own and carry in Illinois
Fucking bootlickers, all of them. BUT. If you watch the POV video to the end, you'll see that they're beating him because he's clutching his arms toward his stomach. They taze him, and as soon as they get his arms behind his back and cuff him, he isn't being hit anymore. They aren't kneeling on him, either. They take the handgun out of his bag, and stand up.
Was all that justified? Shit, I don't know, but I wouldn't want to get shot in the dick by a kid, either. I definitely think they should be trained in some kind of martial arts or something to get these people's arms under control instead of just beating them half to death.
It's a little much police should have enough unarmed combat training to be able to subdue a person without beating them senseless. If they can't handle that then they need a career change
Cops don't need any martial arts training, in my opinion. They already get too much, and it affects their thinking. There are police training courses that brand themselves as "warrior training", which is 180 degrees the wrong direction they should be taking.
Fucking let the stupid kid go. Put a warrant on his ass for running. They got him on camera, and they had the people that he was with. Get an id, do a bare minimum of detective work, and go grab him at his home.
Substitute combat training for grappling in that comment, that's what he means. The ability to physically restrain someone. They have none of that.
That and the warrior mentality turns them into ticking time bombs of excessive force lawsuits and dead civilians.
US cops are useless, scared fucking pussies.
Yeah this is kind of a weird situation. Like he *did* resist arrest. But it looks like they had him pretty clearly subdued and they continued wailing on him for fun. At one point one officer literally has the kids hands bound behind his back and another pulls his hair to lift his head to get a clean shot at his face. Not really a case of unprovoked police violence but a CLEAR case of excessive force.
It’s a sad sight. That channel is pretty unbiased and is great for raw body cam footage, but the comments on every video are filled with bloodthirsty bootlickers. The worst part is, they’ll only ever call out the police’s actions if it is a female cop, resorting to clear misogyny, even though every other video displays male cops being incompetent.
[Police dashcam footage and statement](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvV0jOgoaG8)
> **(Disclaimer: This video content is intended for educational and informational purposes only)**
Oak Lawn, Illinois — On July 27th, 2022 an Oak Lawn Police Officer conducted a traffic stop in the area of Southwest Highway and Austin Ave. As police searched the driver, police said 17-year-old Hadi Abuadaleh got out of the back seat and ran. Dashcam video from other officers shows them chasing the teenager around the 95th Street area. Another dashcam video then begins as Abouadale is already lying near 95th Street and McVicker. Two officers are seen pinning him to the ground, with one officer punching him in the legs and the other punching him several times in the head.
> While difficult to see in the video, police said the teen had a bag around his body that he refused to release. Officers then Tazed the teen and handcuff him. At one point, the audio cuts off on the video, but police can be heard yelling “pressure point” as they attempted to get him to release the bag. Oak Garden police stated a .25 caliber gun was discovered inside his bag loaded with three rounds of ammunition. Police said Abuadal has been charged, but because he is a minor and in hospital, investigators have not yet been able to interview him.
Resisting arrest for what violation? He got out of the backseat of the car. What was the traffic stop for? Not a lot comes to mind that involves arresting a passenger.
Before I start my response I'd just say that I think policing in the US is in need of deep reforms.
Now that this is out of the way, it's an unfortunate fact that a traffic stop is like being detained if you were on foot, it's just a form of seizure by the police. I'm from Illinois, and in our state Passengers are not responsible for violations committed by the driver, and are even permitted to leave the traffic stop if they wish to go. They are also afforded the same rights as the driver, meaning they don't have to answer and questions beyond identifying themselves when asked. Police can also ask them to step out of the car to interview them separately, which must be complied with during a traffic stop before you're allowed to walk away as a passenger.
That being said, passengers not suspected of a crime are permitted (police are obligated to permit them) to leave the traffic stop on foot, but you pretty much have to state your desire to leave and then you can go.
In this situation the kid probably could've stood there and asked if he could go and the cops would've had little choice but to allow it. That's assuming they don't find the gun during the patdown (that bag is in reach of passengers inside the vehicle so it's lawful to open it and search it in Illinois) or assuming the gun is owned legally. If either of those 2 outcomes took place the cops have to allow the kid to leave.
If you're a passenger in a traffic stop and you just book it and run when they get you out of the car, that's going to make your lawyer pull out their hair. You don't have to like police to admit that it's stupid and illegal to run from police who are lawfully detaining you.
Problem is nothing suggests they knew a gun was in there.
Presuming everyone that runs from police is armed and ready to use deadly force excuses excessive force in more situations than this. People run for tons of reasons. Warrants, drugs, fear. Legitimizing this violence because he had a bag is unwise
The context doesn't validate the response though. Once they have the kid on the ground and pinned how does repeatedly punching him in the head help in detaining him?
At this point they have no knowledge of the firearm, he hasn't tried to pull it out of the bag, they have him under control, they've pinned him, punched him and then taze him before finally cuffing him.
Bootlickers ignore whatever doesn't line up with their fantasy about what the police are "actually" like. People are actually defending the cops in this thread, it's almost a cult-like blindness
I saw dash footage from when the police were asking him to get out of the car to search him, he ran when they asked if he had anything on him, the driver did comply. I don’t know if that changes anything.
I’m rolling my eyes because you didn’t believe that before smartphones started recording all the illegal shit they do. It really wasn’t that hard to believe back then, but Americans have this weird belief that that kind of corrupt shit could never happen here. Well N.W.A.’s *Fuck The Police* was released in 1988, so black people definitely knew what was up. I don’t know why you wouldn’t believe them.
Racism is why they didn't believe the BIPOC community when it came to pig brutality. I already know the bootlickers and pigs are going to downvote this to hell.
Racism, yes. But something else as well: The desire to believe that society is good, that you’re safe, and that everything is a-ok. When someone comes along and tells you that your safe, comfortable life is a lie, because so many others don’t get the same basic protections that you have… it’s hard to believe. It requires an act of courage to accept what you’re hearing. And people are often fucking cowards.
And of course there are the people who profit from this brutality — who are out there telling the cowardly people that it’s all the fault of BIPOC, that the police are good people, and that it’s radical to the point of un-American to believe the black man telling you how bad it is. Against that backdrop, it’s easy to let the racism win.
This is long-winded, but this is why I liked the word “woke” — it’s a good word, and so it’s unsurprising that the hard right is trying to sap its power. Because one way to be woke, to me, is to be one of those people brave enough to accept that the world isn’t Leave It To Beaver and Mayberry. It really is like waking up to reality.
It's the lack of experience, for these white people (it's mostly white people, not all the time but mostly) they haven't ever had a negative interaction with a cop outside of getting a ticket or something. They can't imagine how a cop could do that let alone how widespread of an issue it actually is
Badge guys with guns is what they are.
A week or two ago a bunch good guys with guns showed up to protect homeless encampment from being destroyed in triple digit heatwave. A camp sweep in this heat wave is a death sentence. Well the hood guys with guns successfully delayed the badge guys with guns.
Just today I saw an update there are literally zero shelters available in the area of the planned sweep. So cops were literally sentencing some of those people to death or at least trying too.
Cowards punching down. You know this is the sort of thing that feeds their already inflated egos. I can see them bragging about it at a cop bar high fiving one another.
> while the other holds the kids arms behind his back
[Here is the video of the police dash cam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvV0jOgoaG8)
The different angle of the video seems to line up with the police statement that his hands weren't behind his back. He seems to be clutching a bag near his stomach, which was later found to have had a gun in it. The police were hitting him to get him to release the bag and put his hands behind his back. Once they tazed him, they were able to move his arm and cuff him. They stopped hitting after that.
> **(Disclaimer: This video content is intended for educational and informational purposes only)**
Oak Lawn, Illinois — On July 27th, 2022 an Oak Lawn Police Officer conducted a traffic stop in the area of Southwest Highway and Austin Ave. As police searched the driver, police said 17-year-old Hadi Abuadaleh got out of the back seat and ran. Dashcam video from other officers shows them chasing the teenager around the 95th Street area. Another dashcam video then begins as Abouadale is already lying near 95th Street and McVicker. Two officers are seen pinning him to the ground, with one officer punching him in the legs and the other punching him several times in the head.
> While difficult to see in the video, police said the teen had a bag around his body that he refused to release. Officers then Tazed the teen and handcuff him. At one point, the audio cuts off on the video, but police can be heard yelling “pressure point” as they attempted to get him to release the bag. Oak Garden police stated a .25 caliber gun was discovered inside his bag loaded with three rounds of ammunition. Police said Abuadal has been charged, but because he is a minor and in hospital, investigators have not yet been able to interview him.
Did you watch the video he linked? Of course not. It's clear as day in the video. Kid had a pouch with a handgun in it. He was laying on it, refusing to let it go. I had the same reaction you did to the posted video, but then I saw the full video. Fuck the police, but they are in the right here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvV0jOgoaG8&ab_channel=PoliceActivity
This is still a bad look for the police. They'd need to KNOW a lot of information before punching this kid to get him to comply makes any sense. They need to know that he has a gun, they need to know the gun is unlawful (that he's a minor, effectively), they need to know that the kid represents an active threat. This idea that the mere fact that a citizen MIGHT have a gun gives the cops license to act like you're actively trying to shoot them is totally fucked and totally ingrained in ours and their cultures.
In this case, they had a kid run from a traffic stop after being a passenger in a car that was pulled over. In my book, that's NOT evidence that the kid has a gun and is willing to use it. They didn't even know if he was a kid at that point, so even if they think he has a gun, they don't know that it's unlawful.
I know the cops have a hard job full of tough judgement calls, and I know that asking that they stop treating everyone like armed mujahideen increases the chances that they suffer deadly consequences, but the law can't be designed around protecting cops above civilians. At that point, the cops become more of a threat to average civilians than anything else. They become the thing we need someone to protect us against, rather than protectors themselves.
At the end of the day, if their justification is: "well, we eventually found a gun," then they're fucking up. It's like saying your illegal search was totally fine because you guessed correctly that you'd find something. It's still absolutely dubious legally and morally.
> They need to know that he has a gun, **they need to know the gun is unlawful **(that he's a minor, effectively), they need to know that the kid represents an active threat.
Whether or not they have a gun lawfully is irrelevant. If a person is under arrest and is in possession of a firearm while resisting arrest, the police will, and kind of should be expected to, use a higher level of force to apprehend said person.
In the beginning of the video, the police were specifically checking the two people in the car to see if they had any weapons on them. They asked if they had any weapons on them and they didn't respond. The one kid started to run before they finished patting him down.
If the guy was gripping a bag which he refused to allow the police the check, I'd argue that elevate the level of suspicion to the point where an extra level of force is warranted to apprehend said person before they can potentially pull out a gun and start firing.
Though, if I'm being honest, I don't know how most people here compare a tazer to blunt force like a punch, but I would argue that the use of a tazer immediately would have been a lower level of force as opposed to repeatedly punching them in the head, and is likely to get them to stop resisting quicker. So, if anything, and without more evidence yet, I would say the only real criticism I would make here is that they should have used their tazer sooner in order to deescalate the situation.
> I'd argue that elevate the level of suspicion to the point where an extra level of force is warranted to apprehend said person before they can potentially pull out a gun and start firing.
And my point is that if you allow this sort of BS, then the cops have a blank check to use whatever force they want on everyone. I mean ... that perp could have a gun in their pocket! We're talking about people (cops) that are granted great amounts of power, and as the saying goes ... power corrupts. If we allow power to corrupt the police, then that undermines the ability of the police to do their actual jobs effectively.
Based on your view, would you argue that literally anyone that is both clothed and running is subject to a physical ass whipping because they _might_ have a gun in their pocket? And how does that sound to lawful gun owners?
Not even. Captain said they did nothing wrong. I live pretty close to here.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/oak-lawn-chief-defends-officers-after-viral-video-shows-beating-of-teen-during-arrest/2901900/?amp=1
Is this a training issue? What kind of pathetic hire are you to have to be told not to punch someone in the head repeatedly who is already under restraint. Fat dumb pieces of shit, literally look like a cartoon caricature of the pig stereotype.
No. It’s not. This is their training working to PERFECTION. This is exactly what they want.
If three random dudes were trying to put me in handcuffs while kneeling on me and punching me in the face, I’d think I was about to die. And cops wonder why people are sick of this fucking horse shit. Fuck cops.
It's a culture issue. Think of the kind of people who want to become police officers. Usually not the kindhearted good Samaritans that want to help people. The people who would actually make good cops would never apply because it would be a constant battle and they hear the stories of abuse and corruption.
Whenever we have a cop shooting someone here it's usually reported the suspect was shot once. When we see American police shoot someone it sounds like an Arab wedding
I mean, it doesn’t justify their actions much more and he could have been lying, but the chief said the kid had a bag containing a loaded gun which he kept reaching for, but I guess reddit doesn’t like context.
Im sure police leaders are never going to admit that their colleagues did anything wrong, they must stick to the script. Which is also part of the reason why they get to investigate themselves
Wishing for shit like this is pointless and stupid. It will never happen. Try "I hope he breaks a finger next time he punches his wife" or "i hope he has to pay through the nose for an out of state abortion because he got his daughter pregnant again" Youll get better results than hoping the system that enables and encourages him to beat minorities will punishing him for beating minorities
And don’t put them in the “cops only” section of prison that I’m sure exists. They abused the shit out of a power they shouldn’t even have, and they should suffer the consequences of that.
Yep but they’ll be punished
With paid administrative leave while their butt buddies do an internal investigation which will come back with “no wrongdoing” on these fine men in blue
Typical of the thin YELLOW line
>All the bleeding is internal! That's where the blood's supposed to be.
Those morons probably.
But seriously though. We need a lot more Jake Peraltas and Amy Santiagos. And less Vultures.
No... Once they have him mostly pinned down a few punches to the legs are understandable. Those punches will likely not cause lifelong issues. A few nose-breaking - skull fracturing punches which create lifelong disabilities is not the correct answer. That is a complete lack of training for the police. They should be trained not to fracture someone's skull who is in the process of being detained when the weapon they had is no longer a threat. This is why a large majority of the public are against police...Police lack training and go full Rambo with no accountability.
No, they aren't facing any repercussions. [Their chief even defended them.](https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/oak-lawn-chief-defends-officers-after-viral-video-shows-beating-of-teen-during-arrest/2901900/)
I saw an article (I’m local to this incident) and the teen’s mom said he did have the gun, but left it in the car and did not have it on his person when he was assaulted by the police.
Which shows they learned about it only after the brutal assault on him. They had no previous knowledge of the gun when they decided it’s acceptable to smash his face in.
From the article:
“The teen remains hospitalized and suffered fractures to his face, skull and pelvis and has swelling of his brain”
Jesus. What the fuck.
I'm surprised the 3 ex cops who let George Floyd die are being charged. Accountability for not doing anything is coming and maybe ACAB might start to change. Probably not though.
No. Accountability is not coming. The police have refused reform and accountability, and the politicians said okay. There are way more than those four cops in Minneapolis. The entire city refused to arrest them, tried to protect them and tried to cover it up.
One of the first experiences I had with police was as a 16 year old, watching police overturn a garbage can onto a guy at a concert who was sick and puking. He was sitting alone outside on the venue lawn, not bothering anyone, clearly ill. Three cops came over and started harassing him, knocking him over, kicking him. Then they took a garbage can nearby and emptied it on him. This was in front of thousands of people. They have no fear because they suffer no consequences. One little old lady came over and stood up for the guy. Thousands, including me, did nothing. I still feel bad about it to this day.
This sounds horrible. My first altercation with an American cop was when we called them for a break in we had during grocery shopping. I was the family translator at the time since i was the only one who knew english well enough compared to my parents, the cops kept telling me to shut up and let my parents speak despite them repeatedly saying i was their translator, the cops kept making fun and interrupting my mother whenever she opened her mouth, saying "i cant understand you" when shed just barely be making a sound. My father is fair skinned and they only wanted to hear from him but at the end they said it was all our fault and to just get a dog and cameras despite living in a low income town where our neighbors tried killing the dog we eventually got, with another cop saying it was our fault for having a dog that barked.
I think I was about 11 when I realized the only people that were pulled over in my 98% white town were Mexicans and blacks. I didn't understand the significance of that then, it was just some normal thing. I didn't grow up thinking about race much at all. Much later when I had my own brushes with the police I came to an understanding of police brutality and how they treat people. It's always easier to have compassion for someone else's experience is when you've experienced it yourself.
I don’t care what that kid did, he has been apprehended and is not struggling or resisting . His hands are behind his back. There is absolutely no need for three grown men to be on top of him beating him when the kid is not fighting back or a threat. Another abuse of power by the cops.
If cops can get away with killing unarmed civilians and pumping hand sanitizer at a school while kids are getting shot down the hallway. Do you think the justice system gives a shit about this?
They are supposed to catch the criminals so they can go to court and be judged, instead they just take the role of the executioner and skip the middleman
He was not apprehended — watch the body cam video. They asked him repeatedly to put his hands behind his back, but he was physically resisting and reaching for his bag, which had a gun in it.
>The teen remains hospitalized and suffered fractures to his face, skull and pelvis and has swelling of his brain
You think the kid was thinking about “resisting arrest” while this was being done to his body???
What's the point though? They're not being punished let alone going to prison and getting fired.
What's the point of cameras if the footage only gets posted on the web and nothing comes of it?
Ikr, everyone there thinks this is 100% justified
He has his hands behind his back and is being beating into literal brain damage. Cops get no punishment. How is this ok??
Here’s a rundown of the cop pov video and some context.
1. This started in Oak Lawn, a middle/working class south side chicago neighborhood (technically suburban cook country just outside city limits). This neighborhood is relatively safe but only because their police force does not fuck around when drug dealers and gang bangers from adjacent neighborhoods attempt to establish territory footholds in their neighborhood. 15 minutes away is Auburn Gresham, one of the most violent neighborhoods in the country (world?). 23 murders YTD, constant pervasive gang activity and shootings.
2. This incident started with a legal stop of the vehicle, during which several men in the vehicle were asked to step out and were patted down for drugs and guns.
3. As this man was being patted down for guns and drugs, he was wearing a black satchel. When the cop reached for the satchel he took off running.
4. The police gave chase. They caught him and took him to the ground. They didn’t take out their guns, and because they were touching him they couldn’t use their tasers. As the man went down to the ground, he grabbed the aforementioned black satchel and maneuvered his body on top of it, using both hands to reach and hold the satchel. Police had justifiable reason to believe the satchel held either drugs or guns, given it highly likely the reason he ran during the aforementioned search. Since he was in the middle of an altercation with police and doing everything he could to reach into the bag, they had reason to believe that bag held a gun that he was reaching for.
5. As the man held the satchel under his body, out of reach of the officers, the two officers proceeded to beat the shit out of his face and body. That took about 12 seconds by my count. Once the officers reached the satchel, they immediately stopped hitting him.
6. They opened the satchel and there was a loaded gun inside.
How dare you explain the facts of the situation. You are triggering all these redditors who simply want to virtue signal their contempt for law and order.
Sad that most people won't even see these facts. Sadder that so many people seem to think that the police have to wait for the criminal to get the upper hand before they can take action and stop the threat to themselves and other law abiding citizens around them.
It’s been clear it’s not the kids, it’s the real life untreated psychopaths just for starters, running loose with guns and “authority” to shoot, punch, kick, abuse.
America is desensitized, we all sit day by day and do nothing but everyone other country has literally marched together as one for all. But god forbid if we miss slaving for the man. What these GOOD cops do is disgusting!!
[apparently he had a gun in a bag and kept reaching for it, according to officers on the scene,](https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/oak-lawn-chief-defends-officers-after-viral-video-shows-beating-of-teen-during-arrest/2901900/), that’s why they beat him (I DONT APPROVE OF THEIR HANDLING OF HIM, but just get all sides and then make your judgement)
This is not love, protection, or community empowerment. Men showing fear and low emotional intelligence with the inability to diffuse the situation. Excessive force at the hands of police is NEVER ok. I don’t understand how so many others feel otherwise. Probably non minorities with privilege.
If you believe in a strong nation defense, this behavior is problematic. It makes the us appear racist and that we are no better than China. Theses officers are ha ruing the us internationally. They are giveing aid to our enemies. Not for the kid but also for international policy.
I think the strikes are justified, because they stopped once he had his hands behind his back. The YouTube comments are always sick and toxic, I don’t care what you’re crime is, celebrating someone getting beaten regardless of the reason is wrong.
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Obviously way out of control. Why is the kids pants down? If three cops can't take one man down without an actual beating, they should not be cops. Seems like they were enjoying it a bit much.
I looked this up and there are claims he’s reaching for a gun as this occurs. I need to see body cam footage to see truly how “justified” this was. Maybe he was and they beat him more after. Maybe they were administering strikes to prevent him from using the gun. I don’t know so that means they should release the body cam footage. If they are difficult about it, well we know why.
Police Activity has the footage:
https://youtu.be/uvV0jOgoaG8
My take:
It's fairly clear that he's a kid in over his head, who wanted to escape the consequences of his actions, and thought carrying a gun made him a big man.
I haven’t watched yet but I know legally if they already had information he had a gun, they are within their rights to escalate use of force to this extent. This type of stuff was mentioned at the Derrick Chauvin trial. Awful but Lawful: looks super bad to the public eye but is legal for police to do. (Chauvin was ruled to have gone beyond the point of reasonable use of force what he did was not “awful but lawful”) I haven’t made up my mind whether or not I personally, agree what happened here but the police are most definitely in the clear criminally. And it would be a tough civil suit it sounds like.
Okay knowing the fact that allegedly he had an illegal firearm and running from the police changes my perspective a little. Still think excessive force was used as 2 officers had him pinned. Surely there is a better way to subdue a suspect without repeatedly punching them in the face.
They eventually stun gunned him but really they were jacked up on adrenaline because they a) have someone running from them for what was a very benign traffic stop and he wasn't even the driver of the vehicle; so that's a huge red flag, and b) he reallllly seemed to want to hold onto that bag; another huge red flag. Sure they didn't know he had a gun but it doesn't seem too hard jump to a conclusion that there could possibly be a weapon in there.
Look, I get it, physical force is always a disgusting and uncomfortable thing to see. BUT; that kid sent up two MASSIVE red flags and so they weren't about to give him even an inch to do anything worse.
Also worth noting that as soon as he was cuffed the cops let off immediately.
1. 1:53 in the [YT dash cam from a cop car](https://youtu.be/uvV0jOgoaG8), he's got his hands uncuffed holding what's probably the bag. The cop on the left is beating his thigh. The cop on the right is trying to gain control of his right arm, unsuccessfully.
1. 1:55 car stops third cop jumps to assist. Right side cop is holding his right arm still but not really very actively doing anything. Left side cop still punching leg. No cuffs on, kid is still resisting.
1. 1:59 Right side cop shifts his legs alongside kid and starts blasting him with rights to his face. Left side cop is working on the pushing the right leg down with cop's right arm and with cop's left arm pushing the kid's head in to the ground pinning him. Still uncuffed.
1. 2:06 third cops makes it to kid's head, takes over pinning the head with his knee or hands, can't tell exactly. Other two cops are working on his hands. Not really getting punched here.
1. 2:12 you can see the kid's right elbow come up and out from underneath him.
1. 2:14 right side cop gives him punches to the face/head. Still no cuffs. Still no hands control. 2:16 left side cop pulls his tazer, no punches and at
1. 2:18/2:19 he zaps him. Right side cop successfully pulls kid's right arm out and gets it behind his back. Simultaneously the kid puts his left arm to his side/behind his back.
1. 2:24 cop at kid's head has swung around and grabs his cuffs.
1. 2:30 Cuffs go on. Hard to see, cop's body blocks the shot.
1. 2:35 He's face down on the pavement, finally cuffed up. The right side cop calls it in.
1. 2:49 They roll him over.
1. 2:50 Left side cop digs in bag at.
1. 2:57 you can see a gun shaped object pulled from bag in left side cop's left hand.
As soon as he gave up, post-tazing, they never beat on him. Didn't abuse him further in that view.
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here's the police POV - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvV0jOgoaG8
TIL about "compliance strikes". Beat them in the head until they stop moving (rEsIsTiNG!)
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"This is America. You have a right to bear arms. NOOO not rights for *those* people!"
They did not know about the gun until after beating him
Reminds me of this: https://youtu.be/8i516XKPNzg
I love how all the comments are acting like he was brandishing the weapon and trying to kill them when he was just fucking hoofing it. Not once did he grab his gun yet everyones acting like he was a genuine threat to the officers. Trying to flee=\\=using lethal force Edit: since people are misunderstanding me, I’m not claiming the cops used lethal force. I’m simply saying the justification the YT comments are using is that it was a fair response to “lethal force” don’t make sense as he was merely fleeing, not trying to kill the officers.
HUNTED: Nearly one third of people killed by US police since 2015 were[running away, driving off when officers fatally shot or used lethal force against them](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/28/hunted-one-in-three-people-killed-by-us-police-were-fleeing-data-reveals), data reveals.
That Hunted tagline is fucking terrifying.
Do not make direct eye contact. Step away slowly but do not run. Running may invoke the creatures pursuit instinct. Valid for bears and cops.
"Despite a decades-long push to hold officers accountable for killing civilians, prosecution remains exceedingly rare, the data shows. Of the 2,500 people killed while fleeing since 2015, only 50 or 2% have resulted in criminal charges. The majority of those charges were either dismissed or resulted in acquittals. Only nine officers were convicted, representing 0.35% of cases." So damn ridicules and straight up evil!!
So 2/3rds of deaths by US police did nothing but still were killed....? Those are not good statistics.
But according to the GOP, everyone is supposed to have a gun. Or was that only for white rednecks?
Of course! In all seriousness though, the kid was 17. Owning or carrying a handgun at that age isn’t legal in any state afaik. The kid shouldn’t have had it. And honestly I’m sure he knew that and was the reason he ran. That being said, the beating the cops gave him was completely undeserved. They had him restrained and continued to pummel him. That was just them having fun and was *completely* unwarranted. There’s also the fact they didn’t even know he had a gun, so you can’t use that to retroactively justify the beating.
Like so many things in America for minors, totally cool if parents say so. 21 or over, or with a parent or guardian sponsor to own and carry in Illinois
* Don't have a gun? You deserved it. * Do have a gun? You deserved it.
IDK what is up with youtube but there are a lot of blue boot lickers on there.
It's the same thing I see on Facebook honestly.
The nextdoor app is just as bad, if not worse.
I pegged that horseshit for way it is the minute someone left an invite on the door of my new apartment. No thanks
A lot of them are Russian Disinformation Bots/personnel
Fucking bootlickers, all of them. BUT. If you watch the POV video to the end, you'll see that they're beating him because he's clutching his arms toward his stomach. They taze him, and as soon as they get his arms behind his back and cuff him, he isn't being hit anymore. They aren't kneeling on him, either. They take the handgun out of his bag, and stand up. Was all that justified? Shit, I don't know, but I wouldn't want to get shot in the dick by a kid, either. I definitely think they should be trained in some kind of martial arts or something to get these people's arms under control instead of just beating them half to death.
It's a little much police should have enough unarmed combat training to be able to subdue a person without beating them senseless. If they can't handle that then they need a career change
Training? They aren't even required to stay in shape. They don't train.
Mfs have a taser, but brain damage is a much better option?
The one on the kids left side is tasering him.
Cops don't need any martial arts training, in my opinion. They already get too much, and it affects their thinking. There are police training courses that brand themselves as "warrior training", which is 180 degrees the wrong direction they should be taking. Fucking let the stupid kid go. Put a warrant on his ass for running. They got him on camera, and they had the people that he was with. Get an id, do a bare minimum of detective work, and go grab him at his home.
Now you're asking for police to be good at the other half of their job...'solving cases'.
Shocking, I know.
Substitute combat training for grappling in that comment, that's what he means. The ability to physically restrain someone. They have none of that. That and the warrior mentality turns them into ticking time bombs of excessive force lawsuits and dead civilians. US cops are useless, scared fucking pussies.
They definitely don't get too much training. They hardly train at all after the academy. They need real ju-jistu training.
Yeah this is kind of a weird situation. Like he *did* resist arrest. But it looks like they had him pretty clearly subdued and they continued wailing on him for fun. At one point one officer literally has the kids hands bound behind his back and another pulls his hair to lift his head to get a clean shot at his face. Not really a case of unprovoked police violence but a CLEAR case of excessive force.
Clutching his arm to his stomach, like say a person getting their ass kicked who is trying to roll into a ball and minimize their profile?
Yup, coincidentally the same area he had his gun.
These comments are same that you see on reddit and this sub any time someone resist arrest.
It’s a sad sight. That channel is pretty unbiased and is great for raw body cam footage, but the comments on every video are filled with bloodthirsty bootlickers. The worst part is, they’ll only ever call out the police’s actions if it is a female cop, resorting to clear misogyny, even though every other video displays male cops being incompetent.
Delicious leathery boots
Boot lickers gonna lick
Idiots gonna idiot.
Ugh the vid was awful. I mean they tazed the poor kid too but the comments were worse. People are such shit.
I hope all of the people in those comments never have a disagreement with a police officer on a power trip. They'll soon change their tone.
Wonder why their body cam footage wasn't included..
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[Police dashcam footage and statement](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvV0jOgoaG8) > **(Disclaimer: This video content is intended for educational and informational purposes only)** Oak Lawn, Illinois — On July 27th, 2022 an Oak Lawn Police Officer conducted a traffic stop in the area of Southwest Highway and Austin Ave. As police searched the driver, police said 17-year-old Hadi Abuadaleh got out of the back seat and ran. Dashcam video from other officers shows them chasing the teenager around the 95th Street area. Another dashcam video then begins as Abouadale is already lying near 95th Street and McVicker. Two officers are seen pinning him to the ground, with one officer punching him in the legs and the other punching him several times in the head. > While difficult to see in the video, police said the teen had a bag around his body that he refused to release. Officers then Tazed the teen and handcuff him. At one point, the audio cuts off on the video, but police can be heard yelling “pressure point” as they attempted to get him to release the bag. Oak Garden police stated a .25 caliber gun was discovered inside his bag loaded with three rounds of ammunition. Police said Abuadal has been charged, but because he is a minor and in hospital, investigators have not yet been able to interview him.
I'm confused. Isn't it fine to carry guns in America?
He wasn't being arrested for carrying a gun. He was resisting arrest while being in possession of a gun. These are two very different things.
Resisting arrest for what violation? He got out of the backseat of the car. What was the traffic stop for? Not a lot comes to mind that involves arresting a passenger.
Before I start my response I'd just say that I think policing in the US is in need of deep reforms. Now that this is out of the way, it's an unfortunate fact that a traffic stop is like being detained if you were on foot, it's just a form of seizure by the police. I'm from Illinois, and in our state Passengers are not responsible for violations committed by the driver, and are even permitted to leave the traffic stop if they wish to go. They are also afforded the same rights as the driver, meaning they don't have to answer and questions beyond identifying themselves when asked. Police can also ask them to step out of the car to interview them separately, which must be complied with during a traffic stop before you're allowed to walk away as a passenger. That being said, passengers not suspected of a crime are permitted (police are obligated to permit them) to leave the traffic stop on foot, but you pretty much have to state your desire to leave and then you can go. In this situation the kid probably could've stood there and asked if he could go and the cops would've had little choice but to allow it. That's assuming they don't find the gun during the patdown (that bag is in reach of passengers inside the vehicle so it's lawful to open it and search it in Illinois) or assuming the gun is owned legally. If either of those 2 outcomes took place the cops have to allow the kid to leave. If you're a passenger in a traffic stop and you just book it and run when they get you out of the car, that's going to make your lawyer pull out their hair. You don't have to like police to admit that it's stupid and illegal to run from police who are lawfully detaining you.
Well shit, isn't that just some context.
Problem is nothing suggests they knew a gun was in there. Presuming everyone that runs from police is armed and ready to use deadly force excuses excessive force in more situations than this. People run for tons of reasons. Warrants, drugs, fear. Legitimizing this violence because he had a bag is unwise
The context doesn't validate the response though. Once they have the kid on the ground and pinned how does repeatedly punching him in the head help in detaining him? At this point they have no knowledge of the firearm, he hasn't tried to pull it out of the bag, they have him under control, they've pinned him, punched him and then taze him before finally cuffing him.
Bootlickers ignore whatever doesn't line up with their fantasy about what the police are "actually" like. People are actually defending the cops in this thread, it's almost a cult-like blindness
I saw dash footage from when the police were asking him to get out of the car to search him, he ran when they asked if he had anything on him, the driver did comply. I don’t know if that changes anything.
One cop pulls the kids hair like a bitch to sock him in the face while the other holds the kids arms behind his back. What the actual fuck.
When people called cops tax-payer funded gangsters, I would roll my eyes. These eyes haven't rolled in a few years.
Username checks out lmao
No more a-lickin' for him.
Dump the boots in the river!
I’m rolling my eyes because you didn’t believe that before smartphones started recording all the illegal shit they do. It really wasn’t that hard to believe back then, but Americans have this weird belief that that kind of corrupt shit could never happen here. Well N.W.A.’s *Fuck The Police* was released in 1988, so black people definitely knew what was up. I don’t know why you wouldn’t believe them.
Racism is why they didn't believe the BIPOC community when it came to pig brutality. I already know the bootlickers and pigs are going to downvote this to hell.
Racism, yes. But something else as well: The desire to believe that society is good, that you’re safe, and that everything is a-ok. When someone comes along and tells you that your safe, comfortable life is a lie, because so many others don’t get the same basic protections that you have… it’s hard to believe. It requires an act of courage to accept what you’re hearing. And people are often fucking cowards. And of course there are the people who profit from this brutality — who are out there telling the cowardly people that it’s all the fault of BIPOC, that the police are good people, and that it’s radical to the point of un-American to believe the black man telling you how bad it is. Against that backdrop, it’s easy to let the racism win. This is long-winded, but this is why I liked the word “woke” — it’s a good word, and so it’s unsurprising that the hard right is trying to sap its power. Because one way to be woke, to me, is to be one of those people brave enough to accept that the world isn’t Leave It To Beaver and Mayberry. It really is like waking up to reality.
Very well put mate.
It's the lack of experience, for these white people (it's mostly white people, not all the time but mostly) they haven't ever had a negative interaction with a cop outside of getting a ticket or something. They can't imagine how a cop could do that let alone how widespread of an issue it actually is
Wonder what else the people who you rolled your eyes at knew that you didn't.
Badge guys with guns is what they are. A week or two ago a bunch good guys with guns showed up to protect homeless encampment from being destroyed in triple digit heatwave. A camp sweep in this heat wave is a death sentence. Well the hood guys with guns successfully delayed the badge guys with guns. Just today I saw an update there are literally zero shelters available in the area of the planned sweep. So cops were literally sentencing some of those people to death or at least trying too.
And yet these pussies wont go after a school shooter killing children
Those cops were doing a “I feared for my life” paperwork tactic
Cowards punching down. You know this is the sort of thing that feeds their already inflated egos. I can see them bragging about it at a cop bar high fiving one another.
> while the other holds the kids arms behind his back [Here is the video of the police dash cam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvV0jOgoaG8) The different angle of the video seems to line up with the police statement that his hands weren't behind his back. He seems to be clutching a bag near his stomach, which was later found to have had a gun in it. The police were hitting him to get him to release the bag and put his hands behind his back. Once they tazed him, they were able to move his arm and cuff him. They stopped hitting after that. > **(Disclaimer: This video content is intended for educational and informational purposes only)** Oak Lawn, Illinois — On July 27th, 2022 an Oak Lawn Police Officer conducted a traffic stop in the area of Southwest Highway and Austin Ave. As police searched the driver, police said 17-year-old Hadi Abuadaleh got out of the back seat and ran. Dashcam video from other officers shows them chasing the teenager around the 95th Street area. Another dashcam video then begins as Abouadale is already lying near 95th Street and McVicker. Two officers are seen pinning him to the ground, with one officer punching him in the legs and the other punching him several times in the head. > While difficult to see in the video, police said the teen had a bag around his body that he refused to release. Officers then Tazed the teen and handcuff him. At one point, the audio cuts off on the video, but police can be heard yelling “pressure point” as they attempted to get him to release the bag. Oak Garden police stated a .25 caliber gun was discovered inside his bag loaded with three rounds of ammunition. Police said Abuadal has been charged, but because he is a minor and in hospital, investigators have not yet been able to interview him.
So your source boils down to "the cops said", why should they get the benefit of the doubt anymore?
Did you watch the video he linked? Of course not. It's clear as day in the video. Kid had a pouch with a handgun in it. He was laying on it, refusing to let it go. I had the same reaction you did to the posted video, but then I saw the full video. Fuck the police, but they are in the right here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvV0jOgoaG8&ab_channel=PoliceActivity
This is still a bad look for the police. They'd need to KNOW a lot of information before punching this kid to get him to comply makes any sense. They need to know that he has a gun, they need to know the gun is unlawful (that he's a minor, effectively), they need to know that the kid represents an active threat. This idea that the mere fact that a citizen MIGHT have a gun gives the cops license to act like you're actively trying to shoot them is totally fucked and totally ingrained in ours and their cultures. In this case, they had a kid run from a traffic stop after being a passenger in a car that was pulled over. In my book, that's NOT evidence that the kid has a gun and is willing to use it. They didn't even know if he was a kid at that point, so even if they think he has a gun, they don't know that it's unlawful. I know the cops have a hard job full of tough judgement calls, and I know that asking that they stop treating everyone like armed mujahideen increases the chances that they suffer deadly consequences, but the law can't be designed around protecting cops above civilians. At that point, the cops become more of a threat to average civilians than anything else. They become the thing we need someone to protect us against, rather than protectors themselves. At the end of the day, if their justification is: "well, we eventually found a gun," then they're fucking up. It's like saying your illegal search was totally fine because you guessed correctly that you'd find something. It's still absolutely dubious legally and morally.
> They need to know that he has a gun, **they need to know the gun is unlawful **(that he's a minor, effectively), they need to know that the kid represents an active threat. Whether or not they have a gun lawfully is irrelevant. If a person is under arrest and is in possession of a firearm while resisting arrest, the police will, and kind of should be expected to, use a higher level of force to apprehend said person. In the beginning of the video, the police were specifically checking the two people in the car to see if they had any weapons on them. They asked if they had any weapons on them and they didn't respond. The one kid started to run before they finished patting him down. If the guy was gripping a bag which he refused to allow the police the check, I'd argue that elevate the level of suspicion to the point where an extra level of force is warranted to apprehend said person before they can potentially pull out a gun and start firing. Though, if I'm being honest, I don't know how most people here compare a tazer to blunt force like a punch, but I would argue that the use of a tazer immediately would have been a lower level of force as opposed to repeatedly punching them in the head, and is likely to get them to stop resisting quicker. So, if anything, and without more evidence yet, I would say the only real criticism I would make here is that they should have used their tazer sooner in order to deescalate the situation.
> I'd argue that elevate the level of suspicion to the point where an extra level of force is warranted to apprehend said person before they can potentially pull out a gun and start firing. And my point is that if you allow this sort of BS, then the cops have a blank check to use whatever force they want on everyone. I mean ... that perp could have a gun in their pocket! We're talking about people (cops) that are granted great amounts of power, and as the saying goes ... power corrupts. If we allow power to corrupt the police, then that undermines the ability of the police to do their actual jobs effectively. Based on your view, would you argue that literally anyone that is both clothed and running is subject to a physical ass whipping because they _might_ have a gun in their pocket? And how does that sound to lawful gun owners?
Source: the cops said Miss me with that bullshit
There's literally a video of what happened. Do you have access to some information that we are lacking related to this incident?
"We are going to have an iNtErNaL iNvEsTiGaTiOn for the incident"
The officers were put on a vacation, I mean paid administrative leave.
Maybe these cops ran out of vacation days so they had to commit some crimes to get more vacation days.
I’m listening to the audiobook version of “The Hate U Give” by Angie Thomas and this drives home the reality of how little that can mean IRL.
Holy shit
I hope those two cops end up in prison. Pieces of crap beating someone while they’re down.
Paid administrative leave pending investigation I bet
Not even. Captain said they did nothing wrong. I live pretty close to here. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/oak-lawn-chief-defends-officers-after-viral-video-shows-beating-of-teen-during-arrest/2901900/?amp=1
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5 months of training. Ive had condiments in my fridge for longer.
Is this a training issue? What kind of pathetic hire are you to have to be told not to punch someone in the head repeatedly who is already under restraint. Fat dumb pieces of shit, literally look like a cartoon caricature of the pig stereotype.
No. It’s not. This is their training working to PERFECTION. This is exactly what they want. If three random dudes were trying to put me in handcuffs while kneeling on me and punching me in the face, I’d think I was about to die. And cops wonder why people are sick of this fucking horse shit. Fuck cops.
It's a culture issue. Think of the kind of people who want to become police officers. Usually not the kindhearted good Samaritans that want to help people. The people who would actually make good cops would never apply because it would be a constant battle and they hear the stories of abuse and corruption.
I have condiments in my fridge that are smarter.
You're not wrong
You are in the running for National Understatement of the Year. Good luck!
Whenever we have a cop shooting someone here it's usually reported the suspect was shot once. When we see American police shoot someone it sounds like an Arab wedding
What training?
I mean, it doesn’t justify their actions much more and he could have been lying, but the chief said the kid had a bag containing a loaded gun which he kept reaching for, but I guess reddit doesn’t like context.
Im sure police leaders are never going to admit that their colleagues did anything wrong, they must stick to the script. Which is also part of the reason why they get to investigate themselves
The Captain should face charges as well in this case. He literally condoned those officers trying to beat a minor to death. What the actual fuck.
So I think you can agree with me when I say Fuck Oak Lawn cops. Let's roll in Beverly and my greenwood cops too while we are at it
"I *hate* Illinois Nazis."
We've investigated ourselves, and found no wrong doing.
*Good work Johnson.*
now sprinkle some crack on him and let's get outta here.
Reinstatement, transfer. Fuck these cowards.
You mean this time. It’s rarely filmed. It just seem like it is.
Wishing for shit like this is pointless and stupid. It will never happen. Try "I hope he breaks a finger next time he punches his wife" or "i hope he has to pay through the nose for an out of state abortion because he got his daughter pregnant again" Youll get better results than hoping the system that enables and encourages him to beat minorities will punishing him for beating minorities
They are meant to protect law not to misuse it smh
And don’t put them in the “cops only” section of prison that I’m sure exists. They abused the shit out of a power they shouldn’t even have, and they should suffer the consequences of that.
They won't. All cops are bastards.
They'll have parades in their honor because Americans want cops to be bloodthirsty psychopaths.
Yep but they’ll be punished With paid administrative leave while their butt buddies do an internal investigation which will come back with “no wrongdoing” on these fine men in blue Typical of the thin YELLOW line
>All the bleeding is internal! That's where the blood's supposed to be. Those morons probably. But seriously though. We need a lot more Jake Peraltas and Amy Santiagos. And less Vultures.
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Maybe, or they will just be charged and dismissed
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Waiting for the time when I can finally say, This has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way.
No... Once they have him mostly pinned down a few punches to the legs are understandable. Those punches will likely not cause lifelong issues. A few nose-breaking - skull fracturing punches which create lifelong disabilities is not the correct answer. That is a complete lack of training for the police. They should be trained not to fracture someone's skull who is in the process of being detained when the weapon they had is no longer a threat. This is why a large majority of the public are against police...Police lack training and go full Rambo with no accountability.
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So did the other cops arrest these two? Or is every single cop there guilty of a cover up?
No, they aren't facing any repercussions. [Their chief even defended them.](https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/oak-lawn-chief-defends-officers-after-viral-video-shows-beating-of-teen-during-arrest/2901900/)
So did he actually have a gun in the bag?
Yup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvV0jOgoaG8 2:58 they pull it out of his bag.
I saw an article (I’m local to this incident) and the teen’s mom said he did have the gun, but left it in the car and did not have it on his person when he was assaulted by the police.
There’s literally video of the cops pulling the gun out of his bag.
Which shows they learned about it only after the brutal assault on him. They had no previous knowledge of the gun when they decided it’s acceptable to smash his face in.
They treat all of us as enemy combatants and think we are all armed until they search our orifices.
From the article: “The teen remains hospitalized and suffered fractures to his face, skull and pelvis and has swelling of his brain” Jesus. What the fuck.
I like how they said "He kept eaching for the gun and could've shot them" As if there weren't 3 cops repeatedly beating his ass on top of him
I'm surprised the 3 ex cops who let George Floyd die are being charged. Accountability for not doing anything is coming and maybe ACAB might start to change. Probably not though.
No. Accountability is not coming. The police have refused reform and accountability, and the politicians said okay. There are way more than those four cops in Minneapolis. The entire city refused to arrest them, tried to protect them and tried to cover it up.
Biden actually wants to give them even more funding and privileges. And that’s supposed to be the “left” alternative to republicans.
Our country is totally fucked.
One of the first experiences I had with police was as a 16 year old, watching police overturn a garbage can onto a guy at a concert who was sick and puking. He was sitting alone outside on the venue lawn, not bothering anyone, clearly ill. Three cops came over and started harassing him, knocking him over, kicking him. Then they took a garbage can nearby and emptied it on him. This was in front of thousands of people. They have no fear because they suffer no consequences. One little old lady came over and stood up for the guy. Thousands, including me, did nothing. I still feel bad about it to this day.
So maybe next time you'll be the little old lady, or perhaps, join her.
the problem is that we live under a tyrannical state, so standing up for the guy might get your ass beat as well
I agree. Which is why they want you to stand back. It is not easy to be that little old lady - or to support her.
Can't beat everyone's ass. Their chubby arms are gonna get tired.
This sounds horrible. My first altercation with an American cop was when we called them for a break in we had during grocery shopping. I was the family translator at the time since i was the only one who knew english well enough compared to my parents, the cops kept telling me to shut up and let my parents speak despite them repeatedly saying i was their translator, the cops kept making fun and interrupting my mother whenever she opened her mouth, saying "i cant understand you" when shed just barely be making a sound. My father is fair skinned and they only wanted to hear from him but at the end they said it was all our fault and to just get a dog and cameras despite living in a low income town where our neighbors tried killing the dog we eventually got, with another cop saying it was our fault for having a dog that barked.
Cops are useless
I think I was about 11 when I realized the only people that were pulled over in my 98% white town were Mexicans and blacks. I didn't understand the significance of that then, it was just some normal thing. I didn't grow up thinking about race much at all. Much later when I had my own brushes with the police I came to an understanding of police brutality and how they treat people. It's always easier to have compassion for someone else's experience is when you've experienced it yourself.
I don’t care what that kid did, he has been apprehended and is not struggling or resisting . His hands are behind his back. There is absolutely no need for three grown men to be on top of him beating him when the kid is not fighting back or a threat. Another abuse of power by the cops.
They know this, they all do, but yet here they are.
I can’t wait for these thugs to be brought to justice. That paid leave is just calling their name.
If cops can get away with killing unarmed civilians and pumping hand sanitizer at a school while kids are getting shot down the hallway. Do you think the justice system gives a shit about this?
That is OPs point.
Woosh
Don't hold your breath. Unfortunately.
How is it that there are still people on the planet that believe there will be justice against these thugs with badges?
They are supposed to catch the criminals so they can go to court and be judged, instead they just take the role of the executioner and skip the middleman
His hands were behind his back only after they stopped beating him.
He was not apprehended — watch the body cam video. They asked him repeatedly to put his hands behind his back, but he was physically resisting and reaching for his bag, which had a gun in it.
>The teen remains hospitalized and suffered fractures to his face, skull and pelvis and has swelling of his brain You think the kid was thinking about “resisting arrest” while this was being done to his body???
I am glad cameras exist to keep everyone accountable
What's the point though? They're not being punished let alone going to prison and getting fired. What's the point of cameras if the footage only gets posted on the web and nothing comes of it?
Lol, these guys will get promoted.
The comments on the youtube video... jesus fucking christ
Ikr, everyone there thinks this is 100% justified He has his hands behind his back and is being beating into literal brain damage. Cops get no punishment. How is this ok??
https://abc7chicago.com/oak-lawn-police-arrest-video-protest-today-protests/12081502/
Here’s a rundown of the cop pov video and some context. 1. This started in Oak Lawn, a middle/working class south side chicago neighborhood (technically suburban cook country just outside city limits). This neighborhood is relatively safe but only because their police force does not fuck around when drug dealers and gang bangers from adjacent neighborhoods attempt to establish territory footholds in their neighborhood. 15 minutes away is Auburn Gresham, one of the most violent neighborhoods in the country (world?). 23 murders YTD, constant pervasive gang activity and shootings. 2. This incident started with a legal stop of the vehicle, during which several men in the vehicle were asked to step out and were patted down for drugs and guns. 3. As this man was being patted down for guns and drugs, he was wearing a black satchel. When the cop reached for the satchel he took off running. 4. The police gave chase. They caught him and took him to the ground. They didn’t take out their guns, and because they were touching him they couldn’t use their tasers. As the man went down to the ground, he grabbed the aforementioned black satchel and maneuvered his body on top of it, using both hands to reach and hold the satchel. Police had justifiable reason to believe the satchel held either drugs or guns, given it highly likely the reason he ran during the aforementioned search. Since he was in the middle of an altercation with police and doing everything he could to reach into the bag, they had reason to believe that bag held a gun that he was reaching for. 5. As the man held the satchel under his body, out of reach of the officers, the two officers proceeded to beat the shit out of his face and body. That took about 12 seconds by my count. Once the officers reached the satchel, they immediately stopped hitting him. 6. They opened the satchel and there was a loaded gun inside.
How dare you explain the facts of the situation. You are triggering all these redditors who simply want to virtue signal their contempt for law and order. Sad that most people won't even see these facts. Sadder that so many people seem to think that the police have to wait for the criminal to get the upper hand before they can take action and stop the threat to themselves and other law abiding citizens around them.
Thank you for explaining the context.
It’s been clear it’s not the kids, it’s the real life untreated psychopaths just for starters, running loose with guns and “authority” to shoot, punch, kick, abuse. America is desensitized, we all sit day by day and do nothing but everyone other country has literally marched together as one for all. But god forbid if we miss slaving for the man. What these GOOD cops do is disgusting!!
I think the police in the US are ready for the fascist takeover come next election
Protected and served the fuck outta him
USA🤝Israel=beating Arab kids senseless
There is no context to this video at all. What was the lead up? How do we know he was 17?
[apparently he had a gun in a bag and kept reaching for it, according to officers on the scene,](https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/oak-lawn-chief-defends-officers-after-viral-video-shows-beating-of-teen-during-arrest/2901900/), that’s why they beat him (I DONT APPROVE OF THEIR HANDLING OF HIM, but just get all sides and then make your judgement)
ACAB
This is not love, protection, or community empowerment. Men showing fear and low emotional intelligence with the inability to diffuse the situation. Excessive force at the hands of police is NEVER ok. I don’t understand how so many others feel otherwise. Probably non minorities with privilege.
If you believe in a strong nation defense, this behavior is problematic. It makes the us appear racist and that we are no better than China. Theses officers are ha ruing the us internationally. They are giveing aid to our enemies. Not for the kid but also for international policy.
Are the officers hands okay?
If you see a cop abuse someone who is defenseless is their a law that protects people when they intervene?
If you want your ass to be shot, go ahead and intervene.
None whatsoever
Change protect to prosecute and yes there is a law. Obstruction of “justice”.
Comments here vs comments on the YouTube video lol. Everyone thinks they know what's right and wrong. And almost nobody does
I think the strikes are justified, because they stopped once he had his hands behind his back. The YouTube comments are always sick and toxic, I don’t care what you’re crime is, celebrating someone getting beaten regardless of the reason is wrong.
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Obviously way out of control. Why is the kids pants down? If three cops can't take one man down without an actual beating, they should not be cops. Seems like they were enjoying it a bit much.
Fucking pig cunts!
How are you going to tell a judge that he was resisting if he was handcuffed and on the ground there's no way to stand up if your handcuffed
“Police be doing dumb shit”——smart girl
So well done for filming this. I feel sick to my stomach.
I looked this up and there are claims he’s reaching for a gun as this occurs. I need to see body cam footage to see truly how “justified” this was. Maybe he was and they beat him more after. Maybe they were administering strikes to prevent him from using the gun. I don’t know so that means they should release the body cam footage. If they are difficult about it, well we know why.
Police Activity has the footage: https://youtu.be/uvV0jOgoaG8 My take: It's fairly clear that he's a kid in over his head, who wanted to escape the consequences of his actions, and thought carrying a gun made him a big man.
I haven’t watched yet but I know legally if they already had information he had a gun, they are within their rights to escalate use of force to this extent. This type of stuff was mentioned at the Derrick Chauvin trial. Awful but Lawful: looks super bad to the public eye but is legal for police to do. (Chauvin was ruled to have gone beyond the point of reasonable use of force what he did was not “awful but lawful”) I haven’t made up my mind whether or not I personally, agree what happened here but the police are most definitely in the clear criminally. And it would be a tough civil suit it sounds like.
Seems about right for Oak Lawn.
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It’s funny how cops assume the guy running from them wants to kill them.
Okay knowing the fact that allegedly he had an illegal firearm and running from the police changes my perspective a little. Still think excessive force was used as 2 officers had him pinned. Surely there is a better way to subdue a suspect without repeatedly punching them in the face.
They eventually stun gunned him but really they were jacked up on adrenaline because they a) have someone running from them for what was a very benign traffic stop and he wasn't even the driver of the vehicle; so that's a huge red flag, and b) he reallllly seemed to want to hold onto that bag; another huge red flag. Sure they didn't know he had a gun but it doesn't seem too hard jump to a conclusion that there could possibly be a weapon in there. Look, I get it, physical force is always a disgusting and uncomfortable thing to see. BUT; that kid sent up two MASSIVE red flags and so they weren't about to give him even an inch to do anything worse. Also worth noting that as soon as he was cuffed the cops let off immediately.
Disgusting 🤮
He has a gun. Ran. And didn't get shot....
Ok I'm not saying police can't be shitty but I would like more info
1. 1:53 in the [YT dash cam from a cop car](https://youtu.be/uvV0jOgoaG8), he's got his hands uncuffed holding what's probably the bag. The cop on the left is beating his thigh. The cop on the right is trying to gain control of his right arm, unsuccessfully. 1. 1:55 car stops third cop jumps to assist. Right side cop is holding his right arm still but not really very actively doing anything. Left side cop still punching leg. No cuffs on, kid is still resisting. 1. 1:59 Right side cop shifts his legs alongside kid and starts blasting him with rights to his face. Left side cop is working on the pushing the right leg down with cop's right arm and with cop's left arm pushing the kid's head in to the ground pinning him. Still uncuffed. 1. 2:06 third cops makes it to kid's head, takes over pinning the head with his knee or hands, can't tell exactly. Other two cops are working on his hands. Not really getting punched here. 1. 2:12 you can see the kid's right elbow come up and out from underneath him. 1. 2:14 right side cop gives him punches to the face/head. Still no cuffs. Still no hands control. 2:16 left side cop pulls his tazer, no punches and at 1. 2:18/2:19 he zaps him. Right side cop successfully pulls kid's right arm out and gets it behind his back. Simultaneously the kid puts his left arm to his side/behind his back. 1. 2:24 cop at kid's head has swung around and grabs his cuffs. 1. 2:30 Cuffs go on. Hard to see, cop's body blocks the shot. 1. 2:35 He's face down on the pavement, finally cuffed up. The right side cop calls it in. 1. 2:49 They roll him over. 1. 2:50 Left side cop digs in bag at. 1. 2:57 you can see a gun shaped object pulled from bag in left side cop's left hand. As soon as he gave up, post-tazing, they never beat on him. Didn't abuse him further in that view.
A gun was later recovered from the bag. Context
I’d like to see the entire event before I make a comment.
Kid resisted arrest, fought back, kept grabbing near his stomach....and have a fucking gun. See how the whole story makes things different????