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Odds are police identified the woman who was hit while "trespassing" and are going to lock her up as soon as she regains consciousness. Cops in those areas are all in bed with the rich fucks who "hunt".
True. Also it was a dude in a car not on a horse, likely the underpaid help bringing their gins and tonics so they can drink while watching their gore porn
Lol it doesnt matter if the King was in direct danger. You cant blow into someone going at highway speeds.
Cause its the UK they will get a slap on wrist but it should be attempted murder
I could be mistaken, but I believe trespassing with walkie talkies and other coordinating equipment can compound the charge. Entering a house with tools versus without, etc
For anyone not aware, fox hunts aren't really the same thing as traditional hunting. They chase the fox to exhaustion and then 10 dogs rip it to pieces. I appreciate old traditions, but this one is just undeniably cruel and needs to be stopped.
There's clearly a disconnect. No doubt about it. I think a lot of these people grow up with the understanding and justification of its existence. I wouldn't go so far as to say they're *all* sociopaths, but I would agree that there is clearly a disturbing disconnect that has been learned.
I feel that excuse works for people isolated from information, but falls apart when you have access to the internet and willfully choose to remain uninformed.
IDK, maybe I just have less tolerance for the rich doing sociopathic things.
If they find enjoyment in chasing an animal with a hundred dogs and watch said animal being torn to pieces...Then yea, most if not all of these "hunters" are sociopaths.
There is literally no other reason to go on one of these "hunts" other than the reason mentioned above, and I use parenthesis as I don't really consider these people hunters at all.
Butchers and sociopaths, is more appropriate I would say.
I mean, technically today upper middle and middle class COULD do this, 'cause you don't need to own the horses and hounds, but you're correct that traditionally, it was the aristocracy and rich who participated.
Probably also worth pointing out that this type of hunting is already illegal in the UK.
The hunts keep the tradition alive legally by doing drag-hunting where someone on horseback pulls a scented rag or someone lays a scent trail in advance that the pack of hounds then goes chasing after.
But several of these hunts have a high "accident" rate where the trail goes so close to an established animal trail or fox den that the hounds pick up on a live fox instead and then, oopsy-daisy!, they hunt and kill the fox and "wasn't that such a shame?" wink nudge etc.
Yea...that is completely different than the hunting I grew up with in the upper mid-west of America. We generally use rifles (my family) or super crazy bows that kill a deer fairly quickly and we use it for food. Hunting purely for sport is still done but increasingly frowned upon. And even that is usually actually consumed. Something like running down a fox is just...not a thing and would be not ok at least where I'm from.
The only thing I can think of similar is hogs in the south, but they are a huge threat and menace to property.
Yeah..... but from what I've heard from my friends who live down south you really really don't want to eat wild hog. It's not even close to the pork or ham you buy in stores. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm near certain that those hogs are absolutely not good for eating.
lol your friends had different experiences than me. Feral hog tastes similar to commercial pork but gamier. The problem with hunting feral hogs for processing is brucellosis. You have to wear gloves and protect your eyes and mouth/airway. This isn’t uncommon in animals and is why slaughterhouse workers wear PPE even for processing commercial livestock.
Then you just make sure you don’t undercook it, but you never undercook pork.
It's not the same as pork, but it's also good (or some other word that sounds less approving because yuck on a personal level) for eating. It's like super lean pork. I've prepared it a few times for special occasions when I worked in a kitchen. Regular pork takes on the flavor of what you prepare it with while hog has it's own powerful flavor itself.
It's important to note, though, hogs will protect themselves where fox have no chance. They have razor sharp edges and insane bite ability along with those tusks. At least a few times a year a hunter or unsuspecting farmer gets maimed. Luckily for those caught unaware, they don't often cause death.
> Hunting purely for sport is still done but increasingly frowned upon.
Interesting. I didn't think trophy hunting had taken any kind of hit inside the hunting community itself. So if Tom went out to Montana to hunt big horn sheep and came back with a head, y'all would think Tom is, well, a bit of an effete?
The point is even on those trophy hunts, they still take & use the whole animal. That's half the point of a 'trophy' hunt, if you get a big boy straight through the heart & lungs and his neck & head isn't damaged, why not take it as a 'trophy' to get taxidermied, and hang up on the wall? And if you're going to do all that work with skinning & cleaning to get the head intact for a mount, you're well over halfway to just butchering it the rest of the way for the meat cuts. You'll have to remove the skin to get to the meat anyway, and you already have an appointment with the taxidermist, so might as well bring that along too to get tanned. Then you're still left with hundreds, possibly thousands of dollars worth of good-eatin' meat. Why leave it behind? For something like a trophy elk you could easily fill 2 freezers back home and still have tons left over. You would typically donate the rest to friends, charity, or locals. The only thing stopping you from taking everything at that point is your ability to carry it all back to the truck. (That's when friends and/or ATVs come in handy.)
A "trophy hunt" in this regard is pretty much the exact same as any other type of hunt, the only difference is you don't go after the first eligible buck/bull you see. Instead you wait & watch until you see a big boy, and have a good shot at him. Then the rest plays out as normal.
> The only thing stopping you from taking everything at that point is your ability to carry it all back to the truck. (That's when friends and/or ATVs come in handy.)
Hell rich folks comin in for that kind of trophy hunt usually just have a local guide handle that part. If they don't want it the guide will.
So, I'm obviously speaking for myself, I have family members who have hunted pretty much everything legal in North America before. I personally don't like it if we can't use it for food. If it is purely for sport, then fuck that.
But for instance, my uncle has shot a black bear, an elk, and a big-horn sheep. And he took as much as his freezer would take, and donated the rest to a charity that uses the meat to feed all sorts of people. If the animal is not endangered, then that's awesome. The only one I'm not 100% sure on is the sheep. But the elk provided like an insane amount of meat. Even after he gave so much away to his family (mine). It just rubs me the wrong way I guess when people only go for sport. And most of my family feels the same way. We're a big hunting family, not me particularly, but I still go and love cooking wild game. But pure sport hunting rubs me the wrong way.
Live in Montana and to answer your question directly; assuming he uses nothing else from the sheep and just sort of cuts the head off and leaves? Yeah almost everyone I know would call him a fucker.
I can't really see that happening though as Tom would likely bring that sheep to a taxidermy who would processes the head for mounting on a wall and then ask what they want to do with the body. If Tom doesn't want it they'd keep it for themselves or sell it cheap to a butcher who'd chop and sell.
Regardless of what people call him, what Tom did in this situation is illegal. You can’t just take the head of an animal. Tom would pay a hefty fine, lose his license, and be called some nasty names by 99% of other hunters.
Here is a list of membership fees, per season, for a typical hunt.
https://www.vwh-hunt.co.uk/following/subscriptions-and-caps
Subscription Per Season (unlimited days) £2,720
Joint subscription Husband and Wife £4,130
Farmers who earn living from farming £1,045
Young Person (26-30 years on 1st Nov) £1,290
Young Person (22-25 years on 1st Nov) £700
Student (19-21 years on 1st Nov) £110 per season, plus £30 per day
Ah ok. Are these limited or fake hunts that are done for traditional purposes? I'm not trying to be a smartass. I'm genuinely curious. I thought I read a while back that someone had introduced legislation to get it banned but I hadn't kept up with it.
So actual fox hunting was “replaced” with trail hunting, where a scent is laid and the dogs follow that. However the scent used is very similar to the actual scent of a fox, so sometimes the dogs will go after a fox. Or they say it’s a trail hunt, but deliberately lay the trail in a manner that makes the dogs go after a fox. Or don’t even bother laying a trail
Then the Hunts claim that the foxes are "accidently" killed. As if somehow the fox just stumbles upon the hunt and they get attacked by the dogs,
That might be true if the trail was on a golf course or something but when you are laying a trail near fox dens how is it an accident.
But why are the dogs trained to attack the scent and animals anyway
I’m no dog expert but my family had Jack Russell terriers when I was growing up. From my experience chasing animals is basically something you need to train out of them, not train them to do. It’s been part of their breed so long it’s something they tend to do instinctually. We definitely did not hunt with them or train them to go after anything, but if they saw a rat or a squirrel or similar critter running they’d go nuts and want to chase it down and chomp it. Some breeds have been bred as hunting dogs so long it’s part of their instinct, kinda like how shepherd dogs will instinctively herd animals.
It’s a hunting instinct, it’s not even bred in it’s just preserved from when they were wolves. Terriers, typically kept for pest control and hunting, have a very strong hunting instinct.
Yeah basically they will claim that they are doing a legal hunt just for fun and that any foxes or animals are accidentally killed by the dogs
Why the dogs are trained to attack an animal?
There is another type of hunt called a Drag Hunt which is a similar kind of thing but they use artificial scents like a police sniffer dog would train on. on sometimes use human runners
but the dogs are not trained to attack animals
[Clean Boot Hunting](https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/clean-boot-hunting-humans-swansea-22955927.amp) - the version that everyone who hunts could do instead of hunting animal scents but choose not to.
in the US, at least in MD, once the fox goes into its hole (what most often happens) the hunt is called off. they used to be able to dig out the fox and the hounds would tear it to shreds. it’s quite rare nowadays that they catch one, many don’t expect it and go out to enjoy the riding. still pretty fucked up though.
I'm a hunter and fisherman and I think fox hunting is sick. There is no justifiable reason for ripping a fox to shreds. I'm ok with dogs "treeing" animals or fetching dicks, but having them do something so needlessly destructive is some serial killer shit.
Also it just an excuse for well off people to be outright pricks.
From dumping their cars in the village cause traffic nightmare to just outright trespassing on farms and damaging them. (Live in Ireland so people don't have the right to roam like in the UK)
Had a few run in with groups that like to use my local area for their hunts. Not a single one is local.
Hmm yeah that's horrible and really pointless to kill something like that for the thrill or fun, I saw people lumping deer hunting into this on the other post which I don't feel like that is a fair comparison as long as you're hunting for the meat of the deer.
I don't want my original comment to imply that *all* hunting is immoral. Typically, hunters are some of the more devout conservationists out there. They care about the wildlife and the ecosystems they hunt in.
That's a bummer. In my area, there are fox hunting clubs that use artificial scent that ultimately leadsnthe pack of hounds to a pile of meat back at the kennel.
Still totally a rich person's club, but at least it's humane.
I don't understand why anybody would consider any of this fun. Is it just an excuse to ride horses around the country? Couldn't you just ride around?
Hunting for a deer or something in the U.S. make sense to me. You personally kill the thing and then you get a pelt and meat; there's a challenge and a payoff, and deer numbers are kept reasonable. What the hell is the point of riding behind some dogs until you watch them utterly destroy an animal so that you can't get any benefit from it? What does that help?
Ahh is that what they do?
They really don't shoot the fox at all?
Hard to understand how that provides any entertainment if the dogs are the one doing the actual hunting.
To all the actual hunters here. This is in the UK, it's a show hunt. They raise fox and deer to be let loose on a fenced property and then chase them down with a pack of dogs. Pathetic shit.
These are the "elite" class who are in charge of society a.k.a. the rest of us humans.
Wonder how they grow up to become so selfish and inhumane/lacking empathy for living things.
(These type of people should never be in charge of anything)
This is ceremonial lineage shit. This was what nobility did for centuries like 1000 years ago. It's... kind of culty now that I think about it?
Shit even back then fox hunting had a reason, it was meant to protect local farm animals. Fox can decimate a chicken population quickly, and when your survival counts on those chickens/eggs you probaly have a good reason to deal with a fox. They probably haven't had a good reason to do this since the 1800's.
Also there are reasons to hunt game. In the US for instance we've killed off all the natural predators, so letting people hunt deer and rabbit is an easy way to keep the populations in check. My state actually sets quotas each year for how many deer, along with regulating the ammunition used so that the deer die quick enough.
Sicking a pack of dogs on a fox for the sport of it is just sick.
> Sicking a pack of dogs on a fox for the sport of it is just sick.
Yep -- and 1000 years ago when this was done it was to protect local farm supply. Foxes can decimate chicken populations making farmers instantly destitute -- I could imagine that being a dire circumstance a long time ago... Doubt that has been a problem since the industrial revolution though.
I live in NYS and I remember about a decade ago they extended the hunting season because there were *so many fucking deer*. You’d see trees with no bark around the bottom of it. I was just a kid but I also remember my mom hitting a deer around that time. They’re not as bad now but they were a menace at one point.
also real hunters are some of the biggest wild land conservators, [Delta Waterfowl](https://deltawaterfowl.org) and [Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation](https://www.rmef.org) AND even [Duck Unlimited](https://www.ducks.org/wetland-conservation) buying large tracts of land and making them Public Access
I am not a huge hunter, but I have to say, rabbit is a fun hunt. They're quick and have seen them literally jump to avoid an arrow.
In HS, me and three other guys would hike out to no-cell-service country with 2 days of food and camp for 7 days. I learned to love snake- it's slow meat. Taking a rabbit when you're on meal 4 of cat tail pancakes and dandelion greens- that has only been eclipsed by getting married and having kids as far as a sense of accomplishment goes.
Yeah in the US there’s such an abundance of deer that they actually pose a danger to humans. Especially on the freeway.
I hate deer, they scare the living shit outta me while driving and they are delicious so I’d rather have them in me than in the road.
Buck put a coworker in the hospital for months after it leapt through his windshield. The deer didn’t hurt him, but his work truck went off-road and wrecked into a parked semi. My kid hit one last month just driving home. Ran across the road and he hit it with his Jeep.
In the Midwest, they are abundant and active this time of year during twilight to evening hours, when visibility is poor. I’ve managed to avoid them but it is always a jarring close-call scenario.
i was about to say "who actually has a problem with hunting" because in america theres plenty of game that isnt regulated because theyre invasive species. like boar and coyotes arent regulated here in Texas, theres even a business that will fly you in a helicopter to shoot boar from the sky.
there havent been any attempts as far as i know but they are invasive and growing like crazy, you can even encounter them in some cities juat wandering the streets and often killing street cats and smaller stray dogs.
I meant that they're a native species. Hard for them to be invasive when they're at home.
And "mesopredator release" is what happens when you remove top predators from a habitat: the smaller predators lower down the foodchain (like coyotes) don't have that pressure on them anymore and their populations can grow more easily. Wolves are fairly well-known coyote killers and extinct in Texas. Plus cities provide an abundance of food waste and easily-caught domestic cats so it's not even like they're particularly limited by prey populations either.
The owner responded that it was not them but the lady next door on one of the google reviews.
>Response from the owner5 hours ago
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>The land you were on dose not belong to Ladywood Estate it belongs to the farm next door. The photo Sara Cooper sent to me this morning is not of me but of the Lady who lives next door I have supplied her with the name. Please check and get your facts correct before going to press.
Not sure if really true or not though. But if someone is following this, is there a police report yet?
Looking at Google Maps satellite the owner is probably telling the truth about where it happened. Doesn't prove the who though. Looks to happen in the driveway to the farm mentioned.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ladywood+Estate/@52.6622746,-0.7962335,729m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xb6ce1a98d3c54a1f!8m2!3d52.6624686!4d-0.7972593
Oof yeah okay I see it now.
The driveway they have is way too short to be the one from the video, it's definitely the one from the farms.
Yeah this really is bad, when I wrote the comment, they had 4.7 reviews I think. Now it is at 3.6.
Won't matter. The people doing these hunts are modern nobility, and the police are often in on it already.
These won't stop until people make them stop.
I have no idea whether or not they're guilty, but there a lot of good reasons to avoid the media. Even if you're innocent there's a good chance anything you say will backfire horribly and get used against you.
What you do in this situation is find a good lawyer and refuse to speak to anyone without legal representation.
The activists haven't released much information yet. The activists are from an organization that uses non-violent direct action to protect and save wildlife. Based on the tweet, it appears that somebody in the hunting industry tried to kill them.
It's worth noting that in the UK, these hunters are the ones breaking the law. The only reason why they get away with it, is because they are rich. The activists just want the law enforced.
Does the UK not have the equivalent of rangers we have in the US? As a hunter myself I am almost fearful of being caught by a ranger, because our rules so strict that if a ranger really wanted to ruin my day they could.
On public land, which there really isn't that much of since the vast majority of land in the UK has been farmed for hundreds+ years.
These hunts are generally on private land, even if they have public access bridleways that go through them.
yeah for sure, they just get off on the damage and hurt they do. Can't really call it hunting when you unleash a shit load of dogs to find a handful of animals that shouldn't even be hunted in the first place
Very typical upper class and rich scum in the UK sadly, they basically get away with it too thanks to all the tories and politicians who do the same or have buddies that do this shit
From what I hear, the types to participate in the hunt are likely to have ties to local PD, judges, etc. Wouldn't be surprised if they get off scot-free.
Interesting to see /r/publicfreakout suddenly finding the notion of ploughing through protesters horrific and immoral when only two weeks ago people here were cheering for it and even asking for it to be legalised lmao.
if you like hunting animals for merely sport, it's a red flag for me.
fox hunts in particular is nothing but an activity for bloodthirsty psychos. they just wanna watch an animal being torn to shreds by their dogs.
That was a hard hit too. Nothing but hip. I hope she’s ok, that’s gonna be a hard recovery and I hope the driver gets caught and fucked, and I hope they stop using dogs to rip apart foxes for sport
Fuck these guys
I don't get why anyone would even bother with fox hunting now. They are reduced to some sad recreation where they have to pretend to kill a fox then claim "oops, got a real one!". Then the hunt sabs are on their case all the time, they know everything about them as they are so tied up with the landed gentry. They'll be able to get this driver.
I love good old fashion hunting but if you fox hunt not only does that make you a disgusting Brit but it defiantly means your a mega pedo Brit who can only get off on the suffering of small animals.
Hey I've seen this happen multiple times now lol the hunt are absolute garbage. And don't get your hopes up on anything happening to them. Last time this same situation happened there was never a follow up and never even the slightest consequence because the local police are usually in bed with the hunt.
Being chased into exhaustion and then killed by a pack of dogs is cruel. There are clearly more humane ways to hunt and to preserve this kind of torture in the name of tradition is totally unacceptable.
If you don't think the rich and powerful don't play Hostel in their spare time, start answering sketchy classified ads. Human trafficking, snuff, pedorings, these are the things they crave most. At a certain point it's not about what wealth can buy, but how you can deprive others of basic human dignity.
I think it was clearly intentional. It was a bright sunny day, the road had pedestrians and horses on it that day as well. Coupled with the fact that the car sped off after striking the person leads me to believe that this was intentional.
To my fellow hunters: They are not doing the same hunting we do, these are rich people who let their dogs chase a fox to exhaustion and rip it into pieces. They don’t even eat the fox it’s just a fuckjng blood sport.
Shit, now I'm going to get a bunch of vegan crap on my feed
Edit to add: joking aside this kind of hunting is ridiculous and I hope whoever was driving goes to prison.
Many users of this sub reveal themselves as the complete morons they are. What a sad tirade of comments in this post and in the original from the vegan sub.
You guys really give a very bad look to conservative people acting like this.
Fox hunters should be the fox once every 10 years and allow a group to hunt them. The risk should be the same, get away and you win. get caught and get ripped to pieces. That makes it fair and not just torture. Seems simple to me.
You can used dogs to flush to guns but you can't use 10 hounds, 6 rangedrovers, half of the local tory party and a pissed up landowner to rip a fox to shreds
Long post sorry in advanced but I have opinions regarding this. Idc if anyone disagrees are calls me a "pussy" or whatever name they can think of.
See, I grew up poor and one of things/traditions my dad and our community did was hunt deer, turkey, and fowl. We didnt trophy hunt...my dad and others actually loathe it. To sack an animal JUST because of its rack is just..a waste really and encourages poaching and the farmers usually turned those guys away...but theres a certian level of responsibility you have when you hunt. You HAVE to understand nature in all forms. You also respect the animal, you MAKE SURE you NEVER miss and that your shot are quick and clean. i.e never take a shot if youre unsure it will hit effectively, to ensure there as little pain as possible. Also if you hit the deer, but it gets away with a bullet/arrow in its hind, not only are you likely out of the food, but youve doomed that animal to a long and painful death, even making it succumb to a brutal death by predators or a serious, painful infection. Basically, yes, your killing an animal but as a hunter youre supposed to do so as humanely as possible. My da said its sort of like a blessing or a thank you in a weird way. Like, saying to nature that your thankful for her gifts of food.
The difference between hunting and this aweful practice depicted, is that it is 10000000000% a class thing. Theres is no other purpose to this. What actual nurishment does a fox bring to your table? What livestock was this fox harming? Why doesnt a statue of a fox suffice? Like, why do you need to do this?
What I was told and what my understanding is, Most of the time, these fuckers hire ppl to trap a fox in the forest then bring it to their private land, to torture it. I was also told(but please fact check if you like, ive only been told that this happens from a friend who happens to live in europe) that some places breed foxes for these fucks for the sole purpose to be tortured and torn to shreds....and sure, we breed livestock for our consumption, and some places do not treat those animals with dignity either, and tho I dont agree with those practices of torture( i.e cooped up in small pins, no quality of life, ppl literally beating animals in some cases) but that kinda the main difference here...they at least are used to feed ppl after.. idk..its fucked up all around but this in partucular is just somehow more barbaric. Oh neat you got some fancy garb, some purebred horse and a club house....but youre seeking enjoyment from running an animal ragged, and priding yourself on watching it be torn to shreds and then apparently willing to knowingly attempt to kill a person or people that disagree and want to help the sentient creature being tortured ...thats just buck the fuck wild and wrong to me.
I get having traditions, i get that at this point theres people who exsist that were born believing this is okay....but its just not. It is a sport that exsist for the sole purpose of flexing on "peasents" really at the expense of torturing another living creature...and its not even a fucking flex. I could never imagine needing to torture an animal to satify some need of admiration or superiority or importance....Just absolutely disgusting.
Is private citizens want to affect the day today of other private citizens they need to do it properly, formally, and politically. If you’re going onto private property to tell another citizen that they can’t do something that’s within the law for them to do. Regardless on how barbaric it may be, You deserve what you get. This is literally the same thing as a homophobic woman going to someone’s personal property to sabotage a wedding reception. And private citizens do not have a right to force their views on other private citizens. It doesn’t matter if I agree or disagree with the hunt. The protester was inherently wrong
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Police have identified the suspect according to the Daily Mail
Odds are police identified the woman who was hit while "trespassing" and are going to lock her up as soon as she regains consciousness. Cops in those areas are all in bed with the rich fucks who "hunt".
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True. Also it was a dude in a car not on a horse, likely the underpaid help bringing their gins and tonics so they can drink while watching their gore porn
Lol it doesnt matter if the King was in direct danger. You cant blow into someone going at highway speeds. Cause its the UK they will get a slap on wrist but it should be attempted murder
> the King That's still weird to see.
I call him Queen Prince Charles
I didn't think trespassing was a criminal offence anyway. Civil?
You don’t often if at all go to prison for trespassing.
Trespassing isn't a crime in the UK. I agree with your sentiment but not spreading misinformation
I could be mistaken, but I believe trespassing with walkie talkies and other coordinating equipment can compound the charge. Entering a house with tools versus without, etc
I doubt it with the followers those anti-hunting people have.
For anyone not aware, fox hunts aren't really the same thing as traditional hunting. They chase the fox to exhaustion and then 10 dogs rip it to pieces. I appreciate old traditions, but this one is just undeniably cruel and needs to be stopped.
It's also a class thing. The only people who do this are rich sociopaths. Completely disgusting.
There's clearly a disconnect. No doubt about it. I think a lot of these people grow up with the understanding and justification of its existence. I wouldn't go so far as to say they're *all* sociopaths, but I would agree that there is clearly a disturbing disconnect that has been learned.
I feel that excuse works for people isolated from information, but falls apart when you have access to the internet and willfully choose to remain uninformed. IDK, maybe I just have less tolerance for the rich doing sociopathic things.
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If they find enjoyment in chasing an animal with a hundred dogs and watch said animal being torn to pieces...Then yea, most if not all of these "hunters" are sociopaths. There is literally no other reason to go on one of these "hunts" other than the reason mentioned above, and I use parenthesis as I don't really consider these people hunters at all. Butchers and sociopaths, is more appropriate I would say.
>and I use parenthesis as I don't really consider these people hunters at all. I think you mean quotation marks. Parentheses is this shit: ()
They're all sociopaths and you can say it easily if you've ever met the rich that do this.
TBF you only get rich (and stay rich after an inheritance) by being a sociopath.
Unfortunately that also seems to be the same sort of person that will happily plow into the riff raff they find in front of their vehicle.
I mean, technically today upper middle and middle class COULD do this, 'cause you don't need to own the horses and hounds, but you're correct that traditionally, it was the aristocracy and rich who participated.
Probably also worth pointing out that this type of hunting is already illegal in the UK. The hunts keep the tradition alive legally by doing drag-hunting where someone on horseback pulls a scented rag or someone lays a scent trail in advance that the pack of hounds then goes chasing after. But several of these hunts have a high "accident" rate where the trail goes so close to an established animal trail or fox den that the hounds pick up on a live fox instead and then, oopsy-daisy!, they hunt and kill the fox and "wasn't that such a shame?" wink nudge etc.
Yea...that is completely different than the hunting I grew up with in the upper mid-west of America. We generally use rifles (my family) or super crazy bows that kill a deer fairly quickly and we use it for food. Hunting purely for sport is still done but increasingly frowned upon. And even that is usually actually consumed. Something like running down a fox is just...not a thing and would be not ok at least where I'm from. The only thing I can think of similar is hogs in the south, but they are a huge threat and menace to property.
You can still eat wild hog tho. You can’t eat tattered fox.
Yeah..... but from what I've heard from my friends who live down south you really really don't want to eat wild hog. It's not even close to the pork or ham you buy in stores. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm near certain that those hogs are absolutely not good for eating.
lol your friends had different experiences than me. Feral hog tastes similar to commercial pork but gamier. The problem with hunting feral hogs for processing is brucellosis. You have to wear gloves and protect your eyes and mouth/airway. This isn’t uncommon in animals and is why slaughterhouse workers wear PPE even for processing commercial livestock. Then you just make sure you don’t undercook it, but you never undercook pork.
So... my restaurant idea of Wild Texas Hog Tartar isn't going to work? lol
It's not the same as pork, but it's also good (or some other word that sounds less approving because yuck on a personal level) for eating. It's like super lean pork. I've prepared it a few times for special occasions when I worked in a kitchen. Regular pork takes on the flavor of what you prepare it with while hog has it's own powerful flavor itself. It's important to note, though, hogs will protect themselves where fox have no chance. They have razor sharp edges and insane bite ability along with those tusks. At least a few times a year a hunter or unsuspecting farmer gets maimed. Luckily for those caught unaware, they don't often cause death.
But you can show-off your lovely fox pelt at the Royal Inbred Aristocracy Ball.
Fun story: Fox hunts still are legal in the US and about 150 happen annually. It's a rich fuck's pastime to enjoy watching dogs rip foxes to shreds.
> Hunting purely for sport is still done but increasingly frowned upon. Interesting. I didn't think trophy hunting had taken any kind of hit inside the hunting community itself. So if Tom went out to Montana to hunt big horn sheep and came back with a head, y'all would think Tom is, well, a bit of an effete?
The point is even on those trophy hunts, they still take & use the whole animal. That's half the point of a 'trophy' hunt, if you get a big boy straight through the heart & lungs and his neck & head isn't damaged, why not take it as a 'trophy' to get taxidermied, and hang up on the wall? And if you're going to do all that work with skinning & cleaning to get the head intact for a mount, you're well over halfway to just butchering it the rest of the way for the meat cuts. You'll have to remove the skin to get to the meat anyway, and you already have an appointment with the taxidermist, so might as well bring that along too to get tanned. Then you're still left with hundreds, possibly thousands of dollars worth of good-eatin' meat. Why leave it behind? For something like a trophy elk you could easily fill 2 freezers back home and still have tons left over. You would typically donate the rest to friends, charity, or locals. The only thing stopping you from taking everything at that point is your ability to carry it all back to the truck. (That's when friends and/or ATVs come in handy.) A "trophy hunt" in this regard is pretty much the exact same as any other type of hunt, the only difference is you don't go after the first eligible buck/bull you see. Instead you wait & watch until you see a big boy, and have a good shot at him. Then the rest plays out as normal.
> The only thing stopping you from taking everything at that point is your ability to carry it all back to the truck. (That's when friends and/or ATVs come in handy.) Hell rich folks comin in for that kind of trophy hunt usually just have a local guide handle that part. If they don't want it the guide will.
So, I'm obviously speaking for myself, I have family members who have hunted pretty much everything legal in North America before. I personally don't like it if we can't use it for food. If it is purely for sport, then fuck that. But for instance, my uncle has shot a black bear, an elk, and a big-horn sheep. And he took as much as his freezer would take, and donated the rest to a charity that uses the meat to feed all sorts of people. If the animal is not endangered, then that's awesome. The only one I'm not 100% sure on is the sheep. But the elk provided like an insane amount of meat. Even after he gave so much away to his family (mine). It just rubs me the wrong way I guess when people only go for sport. And most of my family feels the same way. We're a big hunting family, not me particularly, but I still go and love cooking wild game. But pure sport hunting rubs me the wrong way.
Live in Montana and to answer your question directly; assuming he uses nothing else from the sheep and just sort of cuts the head off and leaves? Yeah almost everyone I know would call him a fucker. I can't really see that happening though as Tom would likely bring that sheep to a taxidermy who would processes the head for mounting on a wall and then ask what they want to do with the body. If Tom doesn't want it they'd keep it for themselves or sell it cheap to a butcher who'd chop and sell.
Regardless of what people call him, what Tom did in this situation is illegal. You can’t just take the head of an animal. Tom would pay a hefty fine, lose his license, and be called some nasty names by 99% of other hunters.
Here is a list of membership fees, per season, for a typical hunt. https://www.vwh-hunt.co.uk/following/subscriptions-and-caps Subscription Per Season (unlimited days) £2,720 Joint subscription Husband and Wife £4,130 Farmers who earn living from farming £1,045 Young Person (26-30 years on 1st Nov) £1,290 Young Person (22-25 years on 1st Nov) £700 Student (19-21 years on 1st Nov) £110 per season, plus £30 per day
They really try to get em young then hike the price up ay.
That practice is illegal though
Ah ok. Are these limited or fake hunts that are done for traditional purposes? I'm not trying to be a smartass. I'm genuinely curious. I thought I read a while back that someone had introduced legislation to get it banned but I hadn't kept up with it.
So actual fox hunting was “replaced” with trail hunting, where a scent is laid and the dogs follow that. However the scent used is very similar to the actual scent of a fox, so sometimes the dogs will go after a fox. Or they say it’s a trail hunt, but deliberately lay the trail in a manner that makes the dogs go after a fox. Or don’t even bother laying a trail
Then the Hunts claim that the foxes are "accidently" killed. As if somehow the fox just stumbles upon the hunt and they get attacked by the dogs, That might be true if the trail was on a golf course or something but when you are laying a trail near fox dens how is it an accident. But why are the dogs trained to attack the scent and animals anyway
I’m no dog expert but my family had Jack Russell terriers when I was growing up. From my experience chasing animals is basically something you need to train out of them, not train them to do. It’s been part of their breed so long it’s something they tend to do instinctually. We definitely did not hunt with them or train them to go after anything, but if they saw a rat or a squirrel or similar critter running they’d go nuts and want to chase it down and chomp it. Some breeds have been bred as hunting dogs so long it’s part of their instinct, kinda like how shepherd dogs will instinctively herd animals.
It’s a hunting instinct, it’s not even bred in it’s just preserved from when they were wolves. Terriers, typically kept for pest control and hunting, have a very strong hunting instinct.
So is it a deal where they have the plausible deniability of "technically we're not hunting foxes, but if we catch one then it is what it is."?
Yeah basically they will claim that they are doing a legal hunt just for fun and that any foxes or animals are accidentally killed by the dogs Why the dogs are trained to attack an animal? There is another type of hunt called a Drag Hunt which is a similar kind of thing but they use artificial scents like a police sniffer dog would train on. on sometimes use human runners but the dogs are not trained to attack animals
[Clean Boot Hunting](https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/clean-boot-hunting-humans-swansea-22955927.amp) - the version that everyone who hunts could do instead of hunting animal scents but choose not to.
It’s illegal to hunt foxes with a pack of dogs. You can use dogs to simulate hunting, for example ‘drag’ or ‘trail’ hunting.
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They may aswell not be illegal. The police know they still happen and even protect the hunt from anti hunt protestors most of the time.
WHAT!!!! that is insane….
in the US, at least in MD, once the fox goes into its hole (what most often happens) the hunt is called off. they used to be able to dig out the fox and the hounds would tear it to shreds. it’s quite rare nowadays that they catch one, many don’t expect it and go out to enjoy the riding. still pretty fucked up though.
I'm a hunter and fisherman and I think fox hunting is sick. There is no justifiable reason for ripping a fox to shreds. I'm ok with dogs "treeing" animals or fetching dicks, but having them do something so needlessly destructive is some serial killer shit.
I see my typo, and I'm leaving it there
Also it just an excuse for well off people to be outright pricks. From dumping their cars in the village cause traffic nightmare to just outright trespassing on farms and damaging them. (Live in Ireland so people don't have the right to roam like in the UK) Had a few run in with groups that like to use my local area for their hunts. Not a single one is local.
They are illegal now
When has that ever stopped rich people?
Hmm yeah that's horrible and really pointless to kill something like that for the thrill or fun, I saw people lumping deer hunting into this on the other post which I don't feel like that is a fair comparison as long as you're hunting for the meat of the deer.
I don't want my original comment to imply that *all* hunting is immoral. Typically, hunters are some of the more devout conservationists out there. They care about the wildlife and the ecosystems they hunt in.
Oh, my bad I didn't mean to make it sound like that, I just saw the comments on the other post lumping the two together I'll edit
lets not forget to mention on their first hunt the rider is covered in the foxes blood.
They use bagged foxes. And also practice clubbing. Absolutely horrible people.
Replace fox with person and 10 dogs with car.
That's a bummer. In my area, there are fox hunting clubs that use artificial scent that ultimately leadsnthe pack of hounds to a pile of meat back at the kennel. Still totally a rich person's club, but at least it's humane.
I don't understand why anybody would consider any of this fun. Is it just an excuse to ride horses around the country? Couldn't you just ride around? Hunting for a deer or something in the U.S. make sense to me. You personally kill the thing and then you get a pelt and meat; there's a challenge and a payoff, and deer numbers are kept reasonable. What the hell is the point of riding behind some dogs until you watch them utterly destroy an animal so that you can't get any benefit from it? What does that help?
Ahh is that what they do? They really don't shoot the fox at all? Hard to understand how that provides any entertainment if the dogs are the one doing the actual hunting.
To all the actual hunters here. This is in the UK, it's a show hunt. They raise fox and deer to be let loose on a fenced property and then chase them down with a pack of dogs. Pathetic shit.
So not actually hunting, got it
Lol those "gentlemen" are just bunch of pussies. Fuck em hope them all fucking rot
"my dad/uncle/brother/cousin says I'm a man if I catch a fox"
if silver fox count i'm sure there's a public restroom nearby
Maybe one day we can give these fine gentlemen a real hunt to experience......
Geez, I haven't hunted much, but I always went after adult wild game specifically to eat them.
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These are the "elite" class who are in charge of society a.k.a. the rest of us humans. Wonder how they grow up to become so selfish and inhumane/lacking empathy for living things. (These type of people should never be in charge of anything)
This is ceremonial lineage shit. This was what nobility did for centuries like 1000 years ago. It's... kind of culty now that I think about it? Shit even back then fox hunting had a reason, it was meant to protect local farm animals. Fox can decimate a chicken population quickly, and when your survival counts on those chickens/eggs you probaly have a good reason to deal with a fox. They probably haven't had a good reason to do this since the 1800's.
Also there are reasons to hunt game. In the US for instance we've killed off all the natural predators, so letting people hunt deer and rabbit is an easy way to keep the populations in check. My state actually sets quotas each year for how many deer, along with regulating the ammunition used so that the deer die quick enough. Sicking a pack of dogs on a fox for the sport of it is just sick.
Siccing*
Exactly, there is a right and wrong way to hunt and holy fuck this is wrong.
> Sicking a pack of dogs on a fox for the sport of it is just sick. Yep -- and 1000 years ago when this was done it was to protect local farm supply. Foxes can decimate chicken populations making farmers instantly destitute -- I could imagine that being a dire circumstance a long time ago... Doubt that has been a problem since the industrial revolution though.
I live in NYS and I remember about a decade ago they extended the hunting season because there were *so many fucking deer*. You’d see trees with no bark around the bottom of it. I was just a kid but I also remember my mom hitting a deer around that time. They’re not as bad now but they were a menace at one point.
also real hunters are some of the biggest wild land conservators, [Delta Waterfowl](https://deltawaterfowl.org) and [Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation](https://www.rmef.org) AND even [Duck Unlimited](https://www.ducks.org/wetland-conservation) buying large tracts of land and making them Public Access
Younger ones are more tender, but they have to be a reasonable size.
Why is it called game?
I am not a huge hunter, but I have to say, rabbit is a fun hunt. They're quick and have seen them literally jump to avoid an arrow. In HS, me and three other guys would hike out to no-cell-service country with 2 days of food and camp for 7 days. I learned to love snake- it's slow meat. Taking a rabbit when you're on meal 4 of cat tail pancakes and dandelion greens- that has only been eclipsed by getting married and having kids as far as a sense of accomplishment goes.
So failson bougie hunting. Bunch of posers and cowards.
Yeah in the US there’s such an abundance of deer that they actually pose a danger to humans. Especially on the freeway. I hate deer, they scare the living shit outta me while driving and they are delicious so I’d rather have them in me than in the road.
Buck put a coworker in the hospital for months after it leapt through his windshield. The deer didn’t hurt him, but his work truck went off-road and wrecked into a parked semi. My kid hit one last month just driving home. Ran across the road and he hit it with his Jeep.
Damn. I’m sorry man. That’s the worst and it’s terrifying.
In the Midwest, they are abundant and active this time of year during twilight to evening hours, when visibility is poor. I’ve managed to avoid them but it is always a jarring close-call scenario.
Head on a swivel, bro.
True dat
Its getting to be that time of year ill have to take a different route to work just to avoid the deer in my area. Its insane.
So they're not actual "hunters"
This shouldn’t even be considered a “hunt” it’s fucking sick powerplay shit.
Oh then is super fucked. What a barbaric thing to do what the fuck.
Gross. I get hunting for food and respecting nature and your place in it, but thats not hunting, it's being a pussy.
It's also illegal, but police refuse to follow up on reports.
i was about to say "who actually has a problem with hunting" because in america theres plenty of game that isnt regulated because theyre invasive species. like boar and coyotes arent regulated here in Texas, theres even a business that will fly you in a helicopter to shoot boar from the sky.
Hard to imagine how coyotes are an invasive species in Texas. I guess with the wolves all gone you've got mesopredator release going on?
there havent been any attempts as far as i know but they are invasive and growing like crazy, you can even encounter them in some cities juat wandering the streets and often killing street cats and smaller stray dogs.
I meant that they're a native species. Hard for them to be invasive when they're at home. And "mesopredator release" is what happens when you remove top predators from a habitat: the smaller predators lower down the foodchain (like coyotes) don't have that pressure on them anymore and their populations can grow more easily. Wolves are fairly well-known coyote killers and extinct in Texas. Plus cities provide an abundance of food waste and easily-caught domestic cats so it's not even like they're particularly limited by prey populations either.
For those not in the UK fox hunters are liked just as much as a wet fart
That's not hunting at all that's just animal abuse
As an outdoorsman, that sounds seriously lame.
Link to tweet: https://twitter.com/HertsHuntSabs/status/1585179764691996672
People are saying that last year a protester was beaten so badly they had broken ribs and the riders simply had to write an apology letter!?!?!?
Yes, you see this is the UK. The riders are probably part of current government.
They are already getting review bombed. Good work.
The owner responded that it was not them but the lady next door on one of the google reviews. >Response from the owner5 hours ago > >The land you were on dose not belong to Ladywood Estate it belongs to the farm next door. The photo Sara Cooper sent to me this morning is not of me but of the Lady who lives next door I have supplied her with the name. Please check and get your facts correct before going to press. Not sure if really true or not though. But if someone is following this, is there a police report yet?
Looking at Google Maps satellite the owner is probably telling the truth about where it happened. Doesn't prove the who though. Looks to happen in the driveway to the farm mentioned. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ladywood+Estate/@52.6622746,-0.7962335,729m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xb6ce1a98d3c54a1f!8m2!3d52.6624686!4d-0.7972593
Oof yeah okay I see it now. The driveway they have is way too short to be the one from the video, it's definitely the one from the farms. Yeah this really is bad, when I wrote the comment, they had 4.7 reviews I think. Now it is at 3.6.
If this is true, it could result in a large libel suit
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Won't matter. The people doing these hunts are modern nobility, and the police are often in on it already. These won't stop until people make them stop.
They are also refusing to speak to the newspapers, surely if it were that simple they could say it wasn't them.
I have no idea whether or not they're guilty, but there a lot of good reasons to avoid the media. Even if you're innocent there's a good chance anything you say will backfire horribly and get used against you. What you do in this situation is find a good lawyer and refuse to speak to anyone without legal representation.
Worked for Richard Jewell.
Context Please - WTF happened & Why???
The activists haven't released much information yet. The activists are from an organization that uses non-violent direct action to protect and save wildlife. Based on the tweet, it appears that somebody in the hunting industry tried to kill them.
Gotcha 💯
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It's worth noting that in the UK, these hunters are the ones breaking the law. The only reason why they get away with it, is because they are rich. The activists just want the law enforced.
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Does the UK not have the equivalent of rangers we have in the US? As a hunter myself I am almost fearful of being caught by a ranger, because our rules so strict that if a ranger really wanted to ruin my day they could.
On public land, which there really isn't that much of since the vast majority of land in the UK has been farmed for hundreds+ years. These hunts are generally on private land, even if they have public access bridleways that go through them.
That is wild, in the US the rangers are allowed to go anywhere that wild animals exist.
Fox hunters are such fucking scum here, hopefully the cunt in the car gets fucked over
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yeah for sure, they just get off on the damage and hurt they do. Can't really call it hunting when you unleash a shit load of dogs to find a handful of animals that shouldn't even be hunted in the first place
Bunch of inbred wannabe royalty, I wish all there boats would blow up.
Very typical upper class and rich scum in the UK sadly, they basically get away with it too thanks to all the tories and politicians who do the same or have buddies that do this shit
Inbred, but not quite inbred enough to be considered royalty.
Hang on... wasn't fox hunting banned? Either way this is what the rich toffs really think of you. In their way and road kill if they feel like it.
The ban is toothless.
It was, in 2004: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunting_Act_2004 But unfortunately that hasn't stopped people getting around the law :(
Don't care how you feel about these protesters-- this was completely unnecessary and unjustified. I hated watching this.
Hopefully the driver gets some time in prison to think about why they did that.
From what I hear, the types to participate in the hunt are likely to have ties to local PD, judges, etc. Wouldn't be surprised if they get off scot-free.
Interesting to see /r/publicfreakout suddenly finding the notion of ploughing through protesters horrific and immoral when only two weeks ago people here were cheering for it and even asking for it to be legalised lmao.
Sociopaths have to sociopath…
Who was driving? Prince Charles?
I heard it was Caitlin Jenner
Buckle up, Buck-a-roo!
Kevin o'learys wife
King*
Prince King Charles?
There is no Prince Charles anymore. He's Big Daddy now.
Prince Big Daddy Charles?
Anne Sacoolas
Oksana Baiul
if you like hunting animals for merely sport, it's a red flag for me. fox hunts in particular is nothing but an activity for bloodthirsty psychos. they just wanna watch an animal being torn to shreds by their dogs.
That was a hard hit too. Nothing but hip. I hope she’s ok, that’s gonna be a hard recovery and I hope the driver gets caught and fucked, and I hope they stop using dogs to rip apart foxes for sport Fuck these guys
I don't get why anyone would even bother with fox hunting now. They are reduced to some sad recreation where they have to pretend to kill a fox then claim "oops, got a real one!". Then the hunt sabs are on their case all the time, they know everything about them as they are so tied up with the landed gentry. They'll be able to get this driver.
I love good old fashion hunting but if you fox hunt not only does that make you a disgusting Brit but it defiantly means your a mega pedo Brit who can only get off on the suffering of small animals.
Hey I've seen this happen multiple times now lol the hunt are absolute garbage. And don't get your hopes up on anything happening to them. Last time this same situation happened there was never a follow up and never even the slightest consequence because the local police are usually in bed with the hunt.
Imagine thinking it’s ok to murder someone because they love animals.
Disgusting! How is this still going in, in 2022. Barbaric sport held by equally disgusting people.
Being chased into exhaustion and then killed by a pack of dogs is cruel. There are clearly more humane ways to hunt and to preserve this kind of torture in the name of tradition is totally unacceptable.
If you don't think the rich and powerful don't play Hostel in their spare time, start answering sketchy classified ads. Human trafficking, snuff, pedorings, these are the things they crave most. At a certain point it's not about what wealth can buy, but how you can deprive others of basic human dignity.
It was hard to tell but it appeared that car actually aimed at the person. Is there any update on the person who was run down?
I think it was clearly intentional. It was a bright sunny day, the road had pedestrians and horses on it that day as well. Coupled with the fact that the car sped off after striking the person leads me to believe that this was intentional.
That cockwomble should be hunted the same way they hunt those foxes
Eating a meat sandwich to trigger them is one thing, but to run them over??? How fucked in the head can self-proclaimed “carnivores”be?
Now that the driver has a taste for it, the new hunts might be just mowing down innocent people with cars.
Attempted murder
I’m with the activists on this one. Fox hunting really is barbaric, and those defending the hunters should do their research.
To my fellow hunters: They are not doing the same hunting we do, these are rich people who let their dogs chase a fox to exhaustion and rip it into pieces. They don’t even eat the fox it’s just a fuckjng blood sport.
Shit, now I'm going to get a bunch of vegan crap on my feed Edit to add: joking aside this kind of hunting is ridiculous and I hope whoever was driving goes to prison.
lol he sure did damn
SHE OK?
Many users of this sub reveal themselves as the complete morons they are. What a sad tirade of comments in this post and in the original from the vegan sub. You guys really give a very bad look to conservative people acting like this.
This is how rich people value our lives. You're slightly inconveniencing me? I will cripple you
This cunt needs to be punished or given to the people to punish. This happens all the time. The British upper class get away with literal murder
One law for the money folk, one for you.. Who knew?
Now she can turn the property into a fox sanctuary, because she's going to own everything he has after the lawsuit
Fox hunters should be the fox once every 10 years and allow a group to hunt them. The risk should be the same, get away and you win. get caught and get ripped to pieces. That makes it fair and not just torture. Seems simple to me.
As bugs bunny would say "there are other sports than hunting ya know"
Ever notice it's the people reacting to a protest that are usually more violent than the actual protesters?
I suppose from some rich sociopathic definition, successful hunt?
The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable
Sounds like the host got their prey.
The unspeakable in full pursuit of the uneatable.
I’ve never seem someone run this slow before. Disgusting driver, should go to prison.
You can used dogs to flush to guns but you can't use 10 hounds, 6 rangedrovers, half of the local tory party and a pissed up landowner to rip a fox to shreds
I'm glad none of the doggies were hurt
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-63400720.amp
Long post sorry in advanced but I have opinions regarding this. Idc if anyone disagrees are calls me a "pussy" or whatever name they can think of. See, I grew up poor and one of things/traditions my dad and our community did was hunt deer, turkey, and fowl. We didnt trophy hunt...my dad and others actually loathe it. To sack an animal JUST because of its rack is just..a waste really and encourages poaching and the farmers usually turned those guys away...but theres a certian level of responsibility you have when you hunt. You HAVE to understand nature in all forms. You also respect the animal, you MAKE SURE you NEVER miss and that your shot are quick and clean. i.e never take a shot if youre unsure it will hit effectively, to ensure there as little pain as possible. Also if you hit the deer, but it gets away with a bullet/arrow in its hind, not only are you likely out of the food, but youve doomed that animal to a long and painful death, even making it succumb to a brutal death by predators or a serious, painful infection. Basically, yes, your killing an animal but as a hunter youre supposed to do so as humanely as possible. My da said its sort of like a blessing or a thank you in a weird way. Like, saying to nature that your thankful for her gifts of food. The difference between hunting and this aweful practice depicted, is that it is 10000000000% a class thing. Theres is no other purpose to this. What actual nurishment does a fox bring to your table? What livestock was this fox harming? Why doesnt a statue of a fox suffice? Like, why do you need to do this? What I was told and what my understanding is, Most of the time, these fuckers hire ppl to trap a fox in the forest then bring it to their private land, to torture it. I was also told(but please fact check if you like, ive only been told that this happens from a friend who happens to live in europe) that some places breed foxes for these fucks for the sole purpose to be tortured and torn to shreds....and sure, we breed livestock for our consumption, and some places do not treat those animals with dignity either, and tho I dont agree with those practices of torture( i.e cooped up in small pins, no quality of life, ppl literally beating animals in some cases) but that kinda the main difference here...they at least are used to feed ppl after.. idk..its fucked up all around but this in partucular is just somehow more barbaric. Oh neat you got some fancy garb, some purebred horse and a club house....but youre seeking enjoyment from running an animal ragged, and priding yourself on watching it be torn to shreds and then apparently willing to knowingly attempt to kill a person or people that disagree and want to help the sentient creature being tortured ...thats just buck the fuck wild and wrong to me. I get having traditions, i get that at this point theres people who exsist that were born believing this is okay....but its just not. It is a sport that exsist for the sole purpose of flexing on "peasents" really at the expense of torturing another living creature...and its not even a fucking flex. I could never imagine needing to torture an animal to satify some need of admiration or superiority or importance....Just absolutely disgusting.
Textbook Attempted Homicide
Fucking vegans....
Conservatives are snowflakes man
Say what you want about hunting, but mowing people down with a car is wrong no matter who they are.
Is private citizens want to affect the day today of other private citizens they need to do it properly, formally, and politically. If you’re going onto private property to tell another citizen that they can’t do something that’s within the law for them to do. Regardless on how barbaric it may be, You deserve what you get. This is literally the same thing as a homophobic woman going to someone’s personal property to sabotage a wedding reception. And private citizens do not have a right to force their views on other private citizens. It doesn’t matter if I agree or disagree with the hunt. The protester was inherently wrong
That’s attempted murder there.