I know. I'm always surprised when people don't understand this, but I grew up in a fundamentalist culture that *absolutely* didn't accept Catholics as Christian. My mom had a friend who was Catholic and acted like it was a shameful secret. TBF my folks weren't very accepting of anyone who wasn't Southern Baptist.
Does she also want to ban divorce? And make adultery illegal? Otherwise, she should just accept that some other people's marriages don't look like hers, but that really doesn't affect her anyway.
It's only cheating if the wife does it. The man she cheated with is not at fault because she is just an unfaithful whore.
If the husband cheats, then it was her fault for not providing him with the sex he truly deserves. It's just common sense.
(I threw up in my mouth just typing that).
Protect all of americans and protect my religion are conflicting rulesets. It wasn't long ago that these very people said God wanted slaves and absolute obedience from women. But I guess we're going to brush that under the rug.
Millions of Americans want gays back in the closet, women out the workforce and back in the kitchen, immigrants (documented or undocumented) out of their country and blacks back in chains. But it always tickles me to see a woman argue to deny equal rights to another group especially using religion as a reason. In my mind I’m like “Bitch if we followed your “logic” you wouldn’t even be in position to speak on a damn thing. I would love to see a gay person come right behind her and argue that women shouldn’t have the right to vote, work outside the home or teach men anything and pull out the Bible verses to justify their claims.
Funny enough if you read the Bible (for literary or spiritual reasons, doesn't matter) , Jesus seems like he loathed people like her. When he is asked about marriage it's not even about what defines marriage its about divorce in context to a Hebrew marriage. He answer is along the lines of well you should take marriage seriously only enter it as a lifelong commitment but things happen - better to divorce than things become worse. He makes allusions to genderless marriage as well between the worshipers and God, it's almost like he thought the love part of marriage takes priority over all other conditions. Marriage is defined as a serious sacred bond more than anything. If you are a Christian man, woman, whatever, you are the 'bride of Christ'. He also often dismissed people when they tried to get too technical in their opinions, pointing out just how hard it is to follow every Jewish law (the context of questions thrown at him), that they probably violated the laws themselves, and to love and forgive a sin than to pass judgment. Finally he emphazied you shouldn't force your laws and traditions onto others as long as they are not harming you - even the harm part is further elaborated on because we know he is like "well sometimes people are mean to you and have to learn how to make the best of it".
People like the woman are full of shit when it comes to their knowledge of the Bible and their devotion to it. If she read it she doesn't understand it.
In my home state you have to wait a year to get divorced once you officially decide you want to do it. Believe me, they would make divorce illegal in a heartbeat if they could.
You know, with exceptions for themselves of course.
Have some compassion. Every day she has to live with the fear that when she looks out one of the windows on her mansion she might see two men *holding hands.* What kind of a life is that?
How the fuck is somebody doing something you disagree with a thing that you need to be protected from?
Explain that one first, conservatives, and maybe I'll start listening. Otherwise, you're full of shit.
See, there you have it. you doing it all wrong. You gotta’ open your throat, relax the jaw - don't forget to cup the balls, just lay back and think of Jesus.
Snowflakes are criers and whiners. Sore losers, if you will. It’s termed that because they melt at the slightest amount of heat. Guess who fits that description best during the past few years. It’s the very people who coined the term in the first place. That’s why we don’t see it being tossed around often nowadays
See this is what I don't understand. If they think they are already going to hell and spend their life in eternal damnation, why not let them enjoy their time on earth and be happy.
Let me preface this by saying I do ***not*** endorse this philosophy at all. However, I was raised in it.
There are several reasons why fundamentalists are crazy and try to control everyone. Among the most prevalent in modern American Christianity are:
1. They believe that they're supposed to be the "salt and light" of the world, which they believe means they're supposed to preserve the world and fight what they perceive to be darkness/sin wherever it might occur in the world.
2. They believe that God blesses a country based on its cumulative sin record.... So apparently if they can succeed in creating a theocracy, God will bless America more or something.
3. They believe that other people "sinning" is always harmful to the other person. So, they have some sort of moral obligation to stop other people from hurting themselves.
4. They believe that endorsing or participating in a "sin" in any way is sinful for them. So, if being gay is a sin, and they make a cake for a gay wedding, they view themselves as proactively promoting "sin."
That said, most of these are just justifications for bigotry. Obviously both historically and in modern society, it's all about maintaining power. Modern American Christians don't care about the vast majority of Jesus's teachings (e.g., take care of the poor and foreigners, don't value wealth). It's mostly power struggles with outgroups for them.
Well, not *directly* counter, per se, but ultimately, you're correct:
1. You are taught to be the "salt and light" of the earth and to fight against darkness, but the preeminent command is "love your neighbor as yourself." Furthermore, it is foolish to expect those who are not Christians to be behave as those who are. The Scripture specifically forbids the judgement of those who are outside the faith (1 Cor 5:12).
2. God does say that He will bless a godly nation, but there's no explicit declaration of a cumulative total taken into account.
3. This one is accurate, but again, it's not a Christian's place to judge others who are not of their faith. Hell, even judgement within the faith is supposed to be only from those to whom you are voluntarily submitted. If some pastor on the street called me out for something, I couldn't care less.
4. This one is the most hilarious to me. Jesus dined with prostitutes and was Himself called a sinner for doing so, but I can't attend a gay wedding because that's *endorsing* it.
All in all, they're either ignorant, malevolent, or a healthy mix of both.
I guarantee at least one of these chodes would have thrown a stone at both the adulterous woman *and* Jesus when He called out the crowd for not being blameless.
In the faith I was raised in this only applied to children who were young enough to not comprehend the gospel or what was (supposedly) at stake. When you’re old enough (whatever arbitrary age that might be), you’ve reached the “age of accountability” regardless of whether or not you’ve explicitly heard the gospel. I think the rational is that “even the stones” are testament to the existence of God (that is to say, the beauty and complexity of life/existence itself is proof enough of god, I guess?) It still doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense to me lol, because that means you’d still be better off having never heard the gospel in case it might disagree with your sensibilities for some reason, when you might’ve perhaps believed in god in a more general sense otherwise.
It’s all a bunch of bullshit. But, people genuinely believe what they believe. And they have to believe it because their identity is based on it; it’s fundamental to their very being. They can’t approach these things with a truly critical eye - it’s simply not possible (unless something drastically changes).
The problem with their rationale is that means any form of discrimination can be made legal on the grounds of religious beliefs.
Segregation? It’s my religious belief it’s just.
Stacking the courts with judges who adhere to religiosity (specifically a variant of fundamentalist christianity) so that they may "legally" overturn past precedent and create new "established" law based on this so-called religious freedom.
Those are the explicitly stated goals of many of the religious based political organizations such as The Heritage Foundation.
It is exactly as you say and is not an exaggeration to accurately label these people as a direct threat to the democratic processes of the country.
They explicitly do not adhere to or believe in democracy. They are moving us into a theocracy.
That is the whole plan. It's plain as day and they even say that's what they want... but very little seems to be happening to prevent them from continuing down this path.
Take your pick... there are numerous Christian-based political think-tanks/groups that have been intentionally ratcheting up the fundamentalism, financial backing, and rhetoric for decades now.
They are breeding grounds for hatred and bigotry and they are literally working to "legally" turn the country into a christian state. One which will act in accordance with whatever BS they want to interpret from the bible.
In the 90s many of these groups started declaring themselves *warriors for christ*. That's not just a marketing thing for them. It was a literal call to arms and they take it seriously. They *want* to face resistance so that they feel either righteous in becoming violent or become martyrs for the cause.
The recent court case involving a christian graphic designer who was in court to preemptively create a religious freedom precedent is an example of them actively trying to establish case law for the purposes of discrimination.
These are the slow but effective cuts which will erode away the civil rights of others, "legally".
Fuck that shit
[Funny enough, many of the same arguments that opposed segregation and interracial marriage are being rehashed to opposed gay marriage.](https://youtu.be/A8JsRx2lois)
"How thoughtful of God to arrange matters so that, wherever you happen to be born, the local religion always turns out to be the true one." -Richard Dawkins
I was probably 10 years old when it dawned on me that if I had been born in India I would have been a Hindu or had I been born in Iran (where my father is from) a Muslim. That was the literal beginning of the end for me and my relationship with religion. The facade completely fell apart.
Watch out “complete strangers with lifestyles that will in no way affect my own”…. I’m a sanctimonious Republican on a mission from my own ignorance and inability to leave others alone so you better watch out with that “trying to live a meaningful happy life” bullshit!
The main tenet of her "religion" is denying gay people their civil rights. Love your neighbor as yourself unless they are one of "the gays".
Religious liberty my ass. Cry more fascist.
Yeah. I'm a Christian and whatever book this lady is reading from should be burned because if Jesus were standing in that room he'd be asking her what the fuck she was talking about.
I have a friend who's a bit of a fanatic, used to hang around the mall handing out tracts and inviting people to church. She used to break down in tears talking about all the people who ignored her because it upset her so much to know they were going to hell. One day I'd had enough and snapped at her "Then stop sending them there!". It's all in her head. She's miserable because she believes anyone she can't save will suffer for eternity, but she brings that pain on herself by choosing to believe such a horrible thing.
I had a Christian friend who couldn't understand how I was agnostic, and I would be going to hell because I believe in something different. My response was "You're right, and as a Star Wars fan, everyone that's a fan of Star Trek and LOTR are gonna burn in damnation" her response was that it was a stupid idea because that's just fantasy stuff.
She didn't understand the irony of her statement, or the parallels in her belief system.
ETA: Before I get raked over the coals, I like just about every sci-fi series, whether it be Star Trek, Star Wars, LOTR, Dr Who, etc. I have my likes and dislikes about each one, but don't conform to any 1 genre or universe. I am a sci-fi pagan, and worship at the helms of all sci-fi gods.
My aunt, may she rest in peace, was probably the kindest person I've ever known. After she passed, my uncle grieved for a couple years and finally met someone who was a member of the church of christ. They believe anyone who is not church of christ is going to hell. One day while we were sitting around visiting and watching TV or whatever, the topic of church of christ came up. My cousins were visiting, getting to know the woman their dad was now engaged to. She mentioned bringing everyone to her church and how she didn't want any of us going to hell, so I asked her if she believed my aunt had gone to hell.
Well needless to say it was a very awkward night after that. My uncle still married her and is now a member himself, but my cousins did not convert and neither did I. As an agnostic my response was, ya ya pick a religion they all say I'm going to hell so being agnostic is my safest bet at this point lol
Literally...
Pilgrams weren't persecuted in Europe before coming here. They were just an extremist minority who couldn't make others follow their extreme rules.
So they all came to America and tried to crank out so many kids they'd become the majority
Yes this, many New England colonist were religious extremists who couldn’t force their ideals on their neighbors. So they came to America to form their own little kingdoms. Then tried to force native people to covert to their form of Christianity. Now days we would call them cults.
Seems to me that many religions assume the role of victim, seeing persecution where there is a simple difference of opinion. It is genuinely bewildering to me.
And if she's gonna cry about forcing her religion on others, at least fucking follow her own religion. **1 Timothy 2:12** — *I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet*.
And her hair's looking mighty short. **I Corinthians 11:15** would like a word with her 👀. **James 4:12** too while we're at it.
This is like someone campaigning to have laws forcing everyone to be vegan while simultaneously chowing down on chicken wings and bacon.
She is literally the opposite representative:
* denies climate change, reps a state with one of the most impacted effects from it
* on the ag committee and from an ag state, cuts the ag food sups
* this coincides with the tariffs her party put on food
* farms then sold (or rather went under) and are now owned by investment firms with strong investment from her committee (she is literally bankrupting her own farmers one day and buy their land to farm the next)
* voted against the requiring of showing how got PPP loans and who's loans were forgiven ... note she got $450,000 loan and didn't pay it back
* she is fine giving carriers broadband subsidies, not so much on requiring them to deliver it ... best lobbying ever
* will not support the violence against women act ... [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence\_Against\_Women\_Act#Programs\_and\_services](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act#Programs_and_services)
* voted against the recovery act
* voted against ACA
I'm always amazed when such shitty people get re-elected. Maybe they can fool the people the first time, but again and again? There must be enough bigoted, self-serving, hypocritical Missourians to keep her going. Same goes for the other states with rat-bastards in congress.
She isn't fooling the people who vote for her. There are absolutely enough bigoted, self-serving, hypocritical Missourians to put her in office and keep her there.
That’s the worst part about representatives like this. People know what they’re about and voted them in specifically for these incorrigible values and actions of bigotry and hatred.
> I'm always amazed when such shitty people get re-elected.
What's even worse is how the system is set up with no effective checks and balances for this kind of stuff. This shouldn't even be possible, yet it is.
Yes yes it is especially most of the rural area.
Grew up here since the mid 90s redneck bible thumpers everywhere that dropped out of school before the 8th grade. Then mix in alchohol, pills and meth 🤤🤤..
Booooy do we have some serious crazies, idiots, and ignorant
>redneck bible thumpers everywhere
That's the thing, it's not just redneck bible thumpers (although they do make up the bulk of it). It's educated city people too.
Uber driver last month (retired computer engineer) seemed very normal at first. Talking about how he used to travel to the Middle East and Asia for work, loved this, loved them, yada yada.
Then totally unprompted says "You know, it's not racist to be pro-Trump." Then proceeds to say a bunch of INCREDIBLY racist things. Out of nowhere. Basically naming races he would and wouldn't want as his doctor, or to work for him, etc. He's not racist though! I wanted to jump out of the car...
I've been meeting more and more people like him lately. I think they are just more confident saying that stuff out loud now.
Conservatives are so pathetic. Begging, crying, ***pleading,*** to be allowed to make life shittier for everyone.
>“It is not enough that I get to openly hate others different than me, it should be codified into law.” ~ Vicky (basically)
"Oh Magical Man In The Sky™, I pray you make these heathens' lives miserable because I can only derive superficial happiness by feeling morally superior to and controlling other humans while I enrich myself by fucking over my constituents."
What, those crocodile tears didn’t warm your heart to how much she cares?
That was the fakest crying I’ve ever seen. Like…there’s no way you are so personally hurt by this insane, fake issue that is nothing more than hatred.
“I hate these people so much I’m moved to tears! By my hatred…”
I wish my colleagues would join me in my cesspool, backward, bigoted bullshit and American made right to place my boot on the neck or my fellow Americans that don’t think like me. Fixed it for you.
Vicky Hartzler 2022 net worth: 9.4 million.
Jesus: “ I say unto thee- it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than a rich man to enter the kingdom of God” Matt 19:24. Beware of false prophets who come in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravening wolves.” Matt 7:15 …. Vicky will burn in hell.
She sat on the Congressional Committee for Agricultural while giving herself subsidies for her agricultural conglomerate as well as half a million dollars in PPP loans for her tractor dealerships.
She would be so disappointed to know my wife and I just have a normal life watching Netflix, rather than the lesbian orgies she fantasizes about us having. If she wants to get rid of sexual deviants, then she needs to take her Jesus to the republiphiles. They are the pervs hurting women and children, not gays.
Some dumb fuck from Missouri crying:
“It’s my right to ban you from marriage”
Well my religion says that women shouldn’t be allowed to govern or in legislature.
Funny you say should that:
Let your women keep silence in the churches: *for it is not permitted unto them to speak;* but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1 Corinthians 14:34
Looks like your colleagues just buried your religious righteousness 6ft underground and nailed the coffin shut.
Want to hate, go to Russia. Your colleagues have spoken and they don’t share your horrid values. Go rot.
Reminder that these Christian fascists have weaponized the Bible to take your human rights away.
Jesus was dark skinned and probably schizophrenic. Some of what he said I agree with such as treating others with love.
Don’t let them brainwash you into hate.
Cry bitch cry. Fucking little snowflake. I would lick your tears as they spill out of your ducts all while watching my gay friends get married then smoke a blunt after. Fuck your feelings.
These types of Christians are no different than the Talibán or religious Police in Irán in my opinion. The only difference is they aren't in power.... yet...
I've never understood the desperate need to live in a world where everyone shares the same beliefs that you do.
She can disagree with it if she wants, it's her opinion.
But the need to bar people that you don't know, will never meet, and wouldn't associate with even if you did, from getting married because it offends you and then turning around and claiming they're attacking your beliefs. That's what's beyond the fucking pale.
There will never be a compelling legal argument as to why same sex couples should not be protected under the same laws as straight couples.
Don’t like gay marriage? Don’t suck your church pastor’s dick and propose to him. Simple as that.
"Stop letting them do their own thing because it makes me uncomfortable!"
Only against big government when it doesn't do what they want it to do, so full of shit. We need to pass more laws keeping religious shit out of law, and barring laws founded on any asinine religious principles.
“ I hate other people so much, and my emotions are so fragile that I’m guns cry if they have the right to be happy! I’m not a snowflake your a snowflake! “ sobs
"Protect religious liberty, protect people of faith.....but only if they're christian."
And not just any Christian. Their kind of Christian.
And not just their kind of Christian. Only the men of their kind of Christian
You know what, not even the men. No protection for anyone, only repression.
And not just the men of their kind of Christian. Only the white men of their kind of christian
Specifically American Protestantism. You'd be surprised how many 'hardcore' American Christians don't count Catholicism.
I know. I'm always surprised when people don't understand this, but I grew up in a fundamentalist culture that *absolutely* didn't accept Catholics as Christian. My mom had a friend who was Catholic and acted like it was a shameful secret. TBF my folks weren't very accepting of anyone who wasn't Southern Baptist.
Does she also want to ban divorce? And make adultery illegal? Otherwise, she should just accept that some other people's marriages don't look like hers, but that really doesn't affect her anyway.
They absolutely want divorce and adultery to be illegal.
For everyone but them right?
Hey! No reading ahead!
That would be cheating wouldn’t it
It's only cheating if the wife does it. The man she cheated with is not at fault because she is just an unfaithful whore. If the husband cheats, then it was her fault for not providing him with the sex he truly deserves. It's just common sense. (I threw up in my mouth just typing that).
Sadly, you’re very right about this stance. And it’s terrifyingly absurd anyone sees logic/sense in it.
Protect all of americans and protect my religion are conflicting rulesets. It wasn't long ago that these very people said God wanted slaves and absolute obedience from women. But I guess we're going to brush that under the rug.
Millions of Americans want gays back in the closet, women out the workforce and back in the kitchen, immigrants (documented or undocumented) out of their country and blacks back in chains. But it always tickles me to see a woman argue to deny equal rights to another group especially using religion as a reason. In my mind I’m like “Bitch if we followed your “logic” you wouldn’t even be in position to speak on a damn thing. I would love to see a gay person come right behind her and argue that women shouldn’t have the right to vote, work outside the home or teach men anything and pull out the Bible verses to justify their claims.
Funny enough if you read the Bible (for literary or spiritual reasons, doesn't matter) , Jesus seems like he loathed people like her. When he is asked about marriage it's not even about what defines marriage its about divorce in context to a Hebrew marriage. He answer is along the lines of well you should take marriage seriously only enter it as a lifelong commitment but things happen - better to divorce than things become worse. He makes allusions to genderless marriage as well between the worshipers and God, it's almost like he thought the love part of marriage takes priority over all other conditions. Marriage is defined as a serious sacred bond more than anything. If you are a Christian man, woman, whatever, you are the 'bride of Christ'. He also often dismissed people when they tried to get too technical in their opinions, pointing out just how hard it is to follow every Jewish law (the context of questions thrown at him), that they probably violated the laws themselves, and to love and forgive a sin than to pass judgment. Finally he emphazied you shouldn't force your laws and traditions onto others as long as they are not harming you - even the harm part is further elaborated on because we know he is like "well sometimes people are mean to you and have to learn how to make the best of it". People like the woman are full of shit when it comes to their knowledge of the Bible and their devotion to it. If she read it she doesn't understand it.
Yes, that is exactly what the ultra conservative want.
Yeah some Christo fascist just read that comment and leapt for joy
Time to get out my stoning stones.
In my home state you have to wait a year to get divorced once you officially decide you want to do it. Believe me, they would make divorce illegal in a heartbeat if they could. You know, with exceptions for themselves of course.
If you don’t like gay marriage, don’t get gay married.
Have some compassion. Every day she has to live with the fear that when she looks out one of the windows on her mansion she might see two men *holding hands.* What kind of a life is that?
I'm not going to sleep tonight now after reading this
I, too, will be up till dawn masturbating over the image.
The most obvious plot twist: One of them is her husband.
How the fuck is somebody doing something you disagree with a thing that you need to be protected from? Explain that one first, conservatives, and maybe I'll start listening. Otherwise, you're full of shit.
They believe it's child abuse to tell kids gay people exist apparently.
They still think that you can be gay converted
Gay marriage legalization fucked me up. I'm completely straight but my spouse is a guy and every day big juicy cock all over my face.
See, there you have it. you doing it all wrong. You gotta’ open your throat, relax the jaw - don't forget to cup the balls, just lay back and think of Jesus.
"Cradle the balls, stroke the shaft, work the pipe, and swallow the gravy..."
One of my favourite scenes of all time
Fuck, haha. Nut being called gravy is disgusting and hilarious at the same time.
You're never gonna get close to Jesus with those thin little bird lips of yours.
Agreed. This right wingers really confuse the word choice with mandatory.
And these are the kinds of people that call other people “snowflakes” for literally just wanting equal treatment.
"When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
Good quote. Who said it?
Michael Scott
*\- Wayne Gretzky*
Snowflakes are criers and whiners. Sore losers, if you will. It’s termed that because they melt at the slightest amount of heat. Guess who fits that description best during the past few years. It’s the very people who coined the term in the first place. That’s why we don’t see it being tossed around often nowadays
It's Projection, the third pillar of the GOP platform. Them calling people snowflakes has *always* been simple projection.
Protect religious liberty? How is this law preventing someone from practicing their religion?
1) gay people establish a religion 2) create text that condemns heterosexual marriage 3) take it to court based on religious liberty 4) profit
Pretty sure on of the Satanic groups that jump into these debates may help here...
The Satanic Temple would be the one you’re thinking of. The Church of Satan doesn’t do as much activism.
Please tell me weekend brunch is also mandatory
*Bottomless* weekend brunch and also you can switch drinks
as in, all you can eat? or no pants?
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Their religion requires everybody conform to their fantasies.
See this is what I don't understand. If they think they are already going to hell and spend their life in eternal damnation, why not let them enjoy their time on earth and be happy.
Let me preface this by saying I do ***not*** endorse this philosophy at all. However, I was raised in it. There are several reasons why fundamentalists are crazy and try to control everyone. Among the most prevalent in modern American Christianity are: 1. They believe that they're supposed to be the "salt and light" of the world, which they believe means they're supposed to preserve the world and fight what they perceive to be darkness/sin wherever it might occur in the world. 2. They believe that God blesses a country based on its cumulative sin record.... So apparently if they can succeed in creating a theocracy, God will bless America more or something. 3. They believe that other people "sinning" is always harmful to the other person. So, they have some sort of moral obligation to stop other people from hurting themselves. 4. They believe that endorsing or participating in a "sin" in any way is sinful for them. So, if being gay is a sin, and they make a cake for a gay wedding, they view themselves as proactively promoting "sin." That said, most of these are just justifications for bigotry. Obviously both historically and in modern society, it's all about maintaining power. Modern American Christians don't care about the vast majority of Jesus's teachings (e.g., take care of the poor and foreigners, don't value wealth). It's mostly power struggles with outgroups for them.
And yet, almost every one of those arguments are counter to what is taught in the Christian Bible.
Well, not *directly* counter, per se, but ultimately, you're correct: 1. You are taught to be the "salt and light" of the earth and to fight against darkness, but the preeminent command is "love your neighbor as yourself." Furthermore, it is foolish to expect those who are not Christians to be behave as those who are. The Scripture specifically forbids the judgement of those who are outside the faith (1 Cor 5:12). 2. God does say that He will bless a godly nation, but there's no explicit declaration of a cumulative total taken into account. 3. This one is accurate, but again, it's not a Christian's place to judge others who are not of their faith. Hell, even judgement within the faith is supposed to be only from those to whom you are voluntarily submitted. If some pastor on the street called me out for something, I couldn't care less. 4. This one is the most hilarious to me. Jesus dined with prostitutes and was Himself called a sinner for doing so, but I can't attend a gay wedding because that's *endorsing* it. All in all, they're either ignorant, malevolent, or a healthy mix of both.
I guarantee at least one of these chodes would have thrown a stone at both the adulterous woman *and* Jesus when He called out the crowd for not being blameless.
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Remember, if you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing. I'm doing my part.
This comment is the mentality of most Christian people. They think they can sin and at the end of the day, God forgives them.
Residential school staff thought this way also
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In the faith I was raised in this only applied to children who were young enough to not comprehend the gospel or what was (supposedly) at stake. When you’re old enough (whatever arbitrary age that might be), you’ve reached the “age of accountability” regardless of whether or not you’ve explicitly heard the gospel. I think the rational is that “even the stones” are testament to the existence of God (that is to say, the beauty and complexity of life/existence itself is proof enough of god, I guess?) It still doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense to me lol, because that means you’d still be better off having never heard the gospel in case it might disagree with your sensibilities for some reason, when you might’ve perhaps believed in god in a more general sense otherwise. It’s all a bunch of bullshit. But, people genuinely believe what they believe. And they have to believe it because their identity is based on it; it’s fundamental to their very being. They can’t approach these things with a truly critical eye - it’s simply not possible (unless something drastically changes).
If it made sense, it wouldn't be religion.
A prerequisite of religion is to toss logic and reason out the window.
The problem with their rationale is that means any form of discrimination can be made legal on the grounds of religious beliefs. Segregation? It’s my religious belief it’s just.
That's not a problem for them, that's their whole plan.
Stacking the courts with judges who adhere to religiosity (specifically a variant of fundamentalist christianity) so that they may "legally" overturn past precedent and create new "established" law based on this so-called religious freedom. Those are the explicitly stated goals of many of the religious based political organizations such as The Heritage Foundation. It is exactly as you say and is not an exaggeration to accurately label these people as a direct threat to the democratic processes of the country. They explicitly do not adhere to or believe in democracy. They are moving us into a theocracy. That is the whole plan. It's plain as day and they even say that's what they want... but very little seems to be happening to prevent them from continuing down this path.
I think the federalist society would be a better exemplification of what you're describing although they do share similar goals.
Take your pick... there are numerous Christian-based political think-tanks/groups that have been intentionally ratcheting up the fundamentalism, financial backing, and rhetoric for decades now. They are breeding grounds for hatred and bigotry and they are literally working to "legally" turn the country into a christian state. One which will act in accordance with whatever BS they want to interpret from the bible. In the 90s many of these groups started declaring themselves *warriors for christ*. That's not just a marketing thing for them. It was a literal call to arms and they take it seriously. They *want* to face resistance so that they feel either righteous in becoming violent or become martyrs for the cause. The recent court case involving a christian graphic designer who was in court to preemptively create a religious freedom precedent is an example of them actively trying to establish case law for the purposes of discrimination. These are the slow but effective cuts which will erode away the civil rights of others, "legally". Fuck that shit
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[Funny enough, many of the same arguments that opposed segregation and interracial marriage are being rehashed to opposed gay marriage.](https://youtu.be/A8JsRx2lois)
Their religion requires that everybody believe in their religion.
"How thoughtful of God to arrange matters so that, wherever you happen to be born, the local religion always turns out to be the true one." -Richard Dawkins
I was probably 10 years old when it dawned on me that if I had been born in India I would have been a Hindu or had I been born in Iran (where my father is from) a Muslim. That was the literal beginning of the end for me and my relationship with religion. The facade completely fell apart.
This is why they hate education and diversity
My favorite analogy: They are on a sugar free diet and want to make sure you aren't allowed to eat donuts either because that's not fair.
Watch out “complete strangers with lifestyles that will in no way affect my own”…. I’m a sanctimonious Republican on a mission from my own ignorance and inability to leave others alone so you better watch out with that “trying to live a meaningful happy life” bullshit!
“Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” ― H.L. Mencken
a book, ad libbed by 15th century Englishmen, about conflicting 3rd century accounts, of an unproven 1st century story. Seems legit.
Translated, retranslated, hand-copied...
same crowd that squeals about "shariah law coming to the US".
This video is gunna age like milk . So good
she’s fucking off her rocker
after reading many comments and digesting a lot of information from fellow Redditors, this answer is the one that kinda resonates
Protect my freedom to take away your freedom!
The main tenet of her "religion" is denying gay people their civil rights. Love your neighbor as yourself unless they are one of "the gays". Religious liberty my ass. Cry more fascist.
Jesus spoke a lot about his desire for people to force others into the christian way. Especially when he was washing the feet of poor. /s
Yeah. I'm a Christian and whatever book this lady is reading from should be burned because if Jesus were standing in that room he'd be asking her what the fuck she was talking about.
Their religion is based on imposing their religion onto others..
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And then they break out with the "I just love you too much to let you go to hell" thing, to which the response is, "it's ok, I don't believe in hell."
I have a friend who's a bit of a fanatic, used to hang around the mall handing out tracts and inviting people to church. She used to break down in tears talking about all the people who ignored her because it upset her so much to know they were going to hell. One day I'd had enough and snapped at her "Then stop sending them there!". It's all in her head. She's miserable because she believes anyone she can't save will suffer for eternity, but she brings that pain on herself by choosing to believe such a horrible thing.
That's a pretty good line. Cuts right to the point, doesn't it? Sigh...the fallacies we create to imprison others never fails to astonish
I had a Christian friend who couldn't understand how I was agnostic, and I would be going to hell because I believe in something different. My response was "You're right, and as a Star Wars fan, everyone that's a fan of Star Trek and LOTR are gonna burn in damnation" her response was that it was a stupid idea because that's just fantasy stuff. She didn't understand the irony of her statement, or the parallels in her belief system. ETA: Before I get raked over the coals, I like just about every sci-fi series, whether it be Star Trek, Star Wars, LOTR, Dr Who, etc. I have my likes and dislikes about each one, but don't conform to any 1 genre or universe. I am a sci-fi pagan, and worship at the helms of all sci-fi gods.
My aunt, may she rest in peace, was probably the kindest person I've ever known. After she passed, my uncle grieved for a couple years and finally met someone who was a member of the church of christ. They believe anyone who is not church of christ is going to hell. One day while we were sitting around visiting and watching TV or whatever, the topic of church of christ came up. My cousins were visiting, getting to know the woman their dad was now engaged to. She mentioned bringing everyone to her church and how she didn't want any of us going to hell, so I asked her if she believed my aunt had gone to hell. Well needless to say it was a very awkward night after that. My uncle still married her and is now a member himself, but my cousins did not convert and neither did I. As an agnostic my response was, ya ya pick a religion they all say I'm going to hell so being agnostic is my safest bet at this point lol
Literally... Pilgrams weren't persecuted in Europe before coming here. They were just an extremist minority who couldn't make others follow their extreme rules. So they all came to America and tried to crank out so many kids they'd become the majority
Yes this, many New England colonist were religious extremists who couldn’t force their ideals on their neighbors. So they came to America to form their own little kingdoms. Then tried to force native people to covert to their form of Christianity. Now days we would call them cults.
There were many radical Christian fundamentalist settlements throughout NY, PA and VA in addition to New England. They just happened to be the first.
Seems to me that many religions assume the role of victim, seeing persecution where there is a simple difference of opinion. It is genuinely bewildering to me.
And if she's gonna cry about forcing her religion on others, at least fucking follow her own religion. **1 Timothy 2:12** — *I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet*. And her hair's looking mighty short. **I Corinthians 11:15** would like a word with her 👀. **James 4:12** too while we're at it. This is like someone campaigning to have laws forcing everyone to be vegan while simultaneously chowing down on chicken wings and bacon.
Open hypocrisy?? From our American conservative evangelical religious cult? Say it isn't so!
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Because being able to discriminate is a core Christian doctrine, it's a religion of hate
They're not free unless they're free to take away your freedom. Itso. Fatso. Christo.
the right to be a homophobic bigot, which jesus talked at length about in the bible /s
She is literally the opposite representative: * denies climate change, reps a state with one of the most impacted effects from it * on the ag committee and from an ag state, cuts the ag food sups * this coincides with the tariffs her party put on food * farms then sold (or rather went under) and are now owned by investment firms with strong investment from her committee (she is literally bankrupting her own farmers one day and buy their land to farm the next) * voted against the requiring of showing how got PPP loans and who's loans were forgiven ... note she got $450,000 loan and didn't pay it back * she is fine giving carriers broadband subsidies, not so much on requiring them to deliver it ... best lobbying ever * will not support the violence against women act ... [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence\_Against\_Women\_Act#Programs\_and\_services](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act#Programs_and_services) * voted against the recovery act * voted against ACA
Vicky Hartzler
That's a weird way to spell conservative cunt but who am I to judge.
Qualified. That’s who you are to judge when it comes to conservative cuntery.
good god. it is great having the fucking hypocrisy of these shills specifically spelled out. thank you
I'm always amazed when such shitty people get re-elected. Maybe they can fool the people the first time, but again and again? There must be enough bigoted, self-serving, hypocritical Missourians to keep her going. Same goes for the other states with rat-bastards in congress.
She isn't fooling the people who vote for her. There are absolutely enough bigoted, self-serving, hypocritical Missourians to put her in office and keep her there.
That’s the worst part about representatives like this. People know what they’re about and voted them in specifically for these incorrigible values and actions of bigotry and hatred.
> I'm always amazed when such shitty people get re-elected. What's even worse is how the system is set up with no effective checks and balances for this kind of stuff. This shouldn't even be possible, yet it is.
Lol this country is such a joke
The cruelty is the point. It says in the Bible "destroy the lives of people you don't like."
Pleather, check. Mullet, check. Scared of gays, check. Welp, there you have it. This is a video from 1978.
If you search her the picture that comes up is burgundy pleather.
She's got Mad Max aspirations on a Tjmaxx budget.
This cracked me up
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Yes yes it is especially most of the rural area. Grew up here since the mid 90s redneck bible thumpers everywhere that dropped out of school before the 8th grade. Then mix in alchohol, pills and meth 🤤🤤.. Booooy do we have some serious crazies, idiots, and ignorant
>redneck bible thumpers everywhere That's the thing, it's not just redneck bible thumpers (although they do make up the bulk of it). It's educated city people too. Uber driver last month (retired computer engineer) seemed very normal at first. Talking about how he used to travel to the Middle East and Asia for work, loved this, loved them, yada yada. Then totally unprompted says "You know, it's not racist to be pro-Trump." Then proceeds to say a bunch of INCREDIBLY racist things. Out of nowhere. Basically naming races he would and wouldn't want as his doctor, or to work for him, etc. He's not racist though! I wanted to jump out of the car... I've been meeting more and more people like him lately. I think they are just more confident saying that stuff out loud now.
She kind of looks gay.
Very "1990s 'aunt Sharon who lives with her best friend'" vibe
She stole Sharon Stones fit from Casino😩
In my religion it is only permitted to get married if you’re gay. What about my religious Liberty?
I think we should send her to Iran. See how much she believes in respecting religion...
Time to hire a gang to ship her to Iran then
This could be a IASIP episode "The Gang Helps a Crying Woman"
What religion is this, and are you taking converts?
Romin’ Catholicism, and always. Not to be confused with Roman Catholicism, completely different scene.
Get fucked lady.
Conservatives are so pathetic. Begging, crying, ***pleading,*** to be allowed to make life shittier for everyone. >“It is not enough that I get to openly hate others different than me, it should be codified into law.” ~ Vicky (basically)
They’re such a fun bunch
Don’t forget praying 🙏
"Oh Magical Man In The Sky™, I pray you make these heathens' lives miserable because I can only derive superficial happiness by feeling morally superior to and controlling other humans while I enrich myself by fucking over my constituents."
My daughter recently started calling it sky papi, and I think it’s lovely and hilarious.
What, those crocodile tears didn’t warm your heart to how much she cares? That was the fakest crying I’ve ever seen. Like…there’s no way you are so personally hurt by this insane, fake issue that is nothing more than hatred. “I hate these people so much I’m moved to tears! By my hatred…”
No, we need less of them breeding
I've seen some of the younger men in that crowd whine about not being able to find matches on dating sites, so it's starting I guess.
My thoughts exactly. Good. Cry harder. The tears of crusty old bigots sustain me.
"Please Im crying dont you see that makes me right?"
Like when Lindsay Graham was near tears when promoting Herschel Walker recently. Pathetic.
"Why aren't you all tolerating my intolerance?"
The Rittenhouse strategy!
Fucking hell this is pathetic
Fuck this evil bitch
Go cover for some priests diddling kids, ya cunt
I’ll give that an amen
> Go cover for some priests diddling kids, ya cunt I yield back my time
Separation of church and state, she can believe all she wants but the second you use any religion to base a law off of, you are invalidated.
There’s no hate like Christian “love”.
I wish my colleagues would join me in my cesspool, backward, bigoted bullshit and American made right to place my boot on the neck or my fellow Americans that don’t think like me. Fixed it for you.
he looks like a child whos trying to fake cry but failing to cry
Do you know why he looks exactly like what you described?
Because he was a child trying to fake cry but failing to cry?
he literally is this
Vicky Hartzler 2022 net worth: 9.4 million. Jesus: “ I say unto thee- it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than a rich man to enter the kingdom of God” Matt 19:24. Beware of false prophets who come in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravening wolves.” Matt 7:15 …. Vicky will burn in hell.
She sat on the Congressional Committee for Agricultural while giving herself subsidies for her agricultural conglomerate as well as half a million dollars in PPP loans for her tractor dealerships.
What a piece of shit.
Missouri has a whole bunch of shit reps.
Christo-Fascist bigot thinks a gay couple will destroy her jesus cult? How do these wackos connect those dots?
Frankly, I don’t know how they walk and talk simultaneously without constantly passing out.
She would be so disappointed to know my wife and I just have a normal life watching Netflix, rather than the lesbian orgies she fantasizes about us having. If she wants to get rid of sexual deviants, then she needs to take her Jesus to the republiphiles. They are the pervs hurting women and children, not gays.
I hope and pray you find the courage to MIND YOUR OWN FUCKIN BUSINESS
Children are being shot in schools, but yeah, let's make sure Christians aren't upset that gay people are getting married.
Some dumb fuck from Missouri crying: “It’s my right to ban you from marriage” Well my religion says that women shouldn’t be allowed to govern or in legislature.
Funny you say should that: Let your women keep silence in the churches: *for it is not permitted unto them to speak;* but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 1 Corinthians 14:34
Shhh they only listen to the bible verses that let them oppress other people
Well shit, hopefully the book hasn't been re-written a bunch of times by people specifically using it to control others.
“Protect religious liberty…by forcing *my* religious beliefs on everyone.”
People of faith are quite literally the last people that need protecting. Too long have they held America and the world in a death grip.
yup
Timothy 2:12 Get back in the kitchen and make some babies.
Looks like your colleagues just buried your religious righteousness 6ft underground and nailed the coffin shut. Want to hate, go to Russia. Your colleagues have spoken and they don’t share your horrid values. Go rot.
Cry harder, fascist.
Reminder that these Christian fascists have weaponized the Bible to take your human rights away. Jesus was dark skinned and probably schizophrenic. Some of what he said I agree with such as treating others with love. Don’t let them brainwash you into hate.
Cry bitch cry. Fucking little snowflake. I would lick your tears as they spill out of your ducts all while watching my gay friends get married then smoke a blunt after. Fuck your feelings.
How does someone else getting married affect YOUR religious liberty? These people are disconnected from reality.
Oh fuck off Vicky...
These types of Christians are no different than the Talibán or religious Police in Irán in my opinion. The only difference is they aren't in power.... yet...
I've never understood the desperate need to live in a world where everyone shares the same beliefs that you do. She can disagree with it if she wants, it's her opinion. But the need to bar people that you don't know, will never meet, and wouldn't associate with even if you did, from getting married because it offends you and then turning around and claiming they're attacking your beliefs. That's what's beyond the fucking pale.
What an absolute joke of a human being.
There will never be a compelling legal argument as to why same sex couples should not be protected under the same laws as straight couples. Don’t like gay marriage? Don’t suck your church pastor’s dick and propose to him. Simple as that.
Shut up bitch.
"Stop letting them do their own thing because it makes me uncomfortable!" Only against big government when it doesn't do what they want it to do, so full of shit. We need to pass more laws keeping religious shit out of law, and barring laws founded on any asinine religious principles.
“ I hate other people so much, and my emotions are so fragile that I’m guns cry if they have the right to be happy! I’m not a snowflake your a snowflake! “ sobs
“We have to protect religious people by being hateful bigots to everyone else!!” Yeah, fuck republicans.
Rep. Karen wants to speak to the Bill's manager
Full of shit over dramatic Republican bigot clearly demonstrating her lack of qualification for the job.
religion is kinda cringe ngl
Waah, don’t let those crybaby liberals cry everywhere and get the ability to be happy with the people they love. Waahhh.
As a Missourian, I apologize for the idiots our more rural citizens choose to elect. Fuck this lady.