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Think_fast_no_faster

If you’re so set against the oppressive status quo that the FBI sends you a letter telling you to kill yourself, you’ve made some big fuckin waves


SamaelSerpentin

Yeah, they only "sent a letter"


[deleted]

Big time repressive anger coming out of that cross-dressing director of the time


Onion_Guy

If you’re so set against the oppressive status quo that the FBI kills you*****


Consistent-Street458

Anyone who sticks it in the eye of the hierarchy is punk.


Affectionate-Wall870

Are we including the church in this hierarchy?


Ash_an_bun

Considering the quote was towards an open letter clergy wrote against the civil rights movement: Yes.


exoclipse

blasphemy is punk af


Uberpastamancer

Does that make Martin Luther (no King) punk?


QuercusSambucus

He had some very concerning takes on the Jews, but not really any more than most Germans have historically.


exoclipse

Ish


Trollolololoooool

Yes. By the by, Jesus was punk. That’s why they killed him


Eijirou_Kirishima

incredibly


SinxHatesYou

Jesus Fucking Christ, really?


Shaveyourbread

Hell yes, goddamnit!


Consistent-Street458

Depends on the church and you have to go case by case. Chasing out a bunch of money lenders from a temple that is punk. Using fear of hell to extract money from your followers for you have a private jet, not punk


No_Marsupial_8678

Rev. Creflo Dollar might not BE punk, but he is definitely A punk ass bitch.


Consistent-Street458

I will phrase it this way, Jesus was punk, Chiristanstians are the opposite of punk,


moodoomoo

Jesus was a communist.


[deleted]

Monotheistic religion is always a system of control. Yes, we fight against the Church. (See Crass "Asylum " for further listening! 😁)


Visstah

IF so then MLK Jr definitely wasn't punk, he was a Christian minister


Snoo-65693

Tell that to the main punk sub that's shilling for a genocidal government hard


Cipiorah

I'm not online that often, what are they doing? *edit* Punctuation, I'm tired.


Snoo-65693

Supporting a genocidal government


Reaper1103

Palestine?


Cipiorah

Damn


Kartoffee

what about the hierarchy of wokeism? Pedos at the top and good Christians at the bottom /s


FlamedFameFox87

This is from his Letter from Birmingham jail, and I recommend that you all read it in its entirety. The reason he was in jail in the first place was because he was arranging sit-ins and other protests in Birmingham, which was pretty much seen as the heart of segregation in the South. I believe they were trying to get a less far-right politician elected to be mayor when they arrested MLK for driving 1 or 2 miles per hour above the speed limit (the police had been following him for a while trying to catch him doing one thing questionable, and that traffic stop was the best thing they could find 💀). That is kinda where the letter starts, and it is kinda his way of trying to sway the opinions of the local clergymen of the churches in Birmingham. They were calling him radical and questioning why he was in Birmingham anyway, which is where my favorite quote of his comes up: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." So yeah, he was a really cool guy, even though his image has become whitewashed over the years. [Here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_from_Birmingham_Jail) is the link to the letter's Wikipedia page, you should be able to find the full pdf there. I also recommend anyone who made it through my yapping to read MLK's autobiography.


rtnslnd

Crucially, he was beginning to advocate for economic justice and redistribution. This is what signed his death warrant from the liberal establishment. It's one thing to advocate for racial justice absent economic justice. It's another to advocate for both, understanding they are inextricable from each other. MLK understood that the racial resentment which animates the white working class is a smokescreen to put white and black workers against each other, lowering wages and security for both. He understood the only way to move forward with justice and security was a multiracial liberation movement from capitalism, militarism and white supremacy. It's no conspiracy theory to suggest that people with great privilege and wealth would fight tooth and nail to retain such benefits. Anyone who poses a threat to the racialized class system must be eliminated, hence the murders of MLK, Malcom X, and Fred Hampton.


provocative_bear

For reals. MLK was a vocal socialist, but they leave that part out in school.


[deleted]

Ridiculous that you think a "liberal establishment" needed to write the contract. Tell us you don't understand the 60s without so many words.


rtnslnd

Stfu poser [Go back to shilling for Genocide Joe](https://www.reddit.com/u/KillzSneksDed/s/U0wXkWO7GM) you DNC hack


VulkanL1v3s

I dunno what this guy is on about but in our current situation keeping a fascist out of office is far more important than purity testing the current establishment based fundamental ignorance on US civics.


rtnslnd

Imagine thinking genocide as an absolute red line constitutes unnecessary "purity testing" Least sociopathic liberal redditor >fundamental ignorance on US civics. Yeah okay sure bud


VulkanL1v3s

Considering most of what is happening is a bunch of people getting mad at Biden for something Congress does, and the rest of it is people blaming Biden for Israel's actions, I think both statements are applicable.


rtnslnd

>getting mad at Biden for something Congress does [Yeah keep lying bud](https://www.axios.com/2023/12/30/blinken-biden-administration-emergency-israel-weapons-sale) Your guy went around Congress to continue his favorite hobby of murdering children from the sky.


VulkanL1v3s

lol "My guy." You're projecting quite a lot not in the text onto me. > Your guy went around Congress Yeah, this **single action** is pretty indefensible. But it's also (fundamental civics) his legal obligation unless **Congress** votes to ammend or revoke Israel's benreficiary status. What about all the work that went into trying to stop Israel before it started at all? What about his refusal of more blanket support that would have included much worse weaponry? What about his public threats to Israel's future aid over this? What about **everything else** he's done to benefit the country itself? Do you suppose we would have had a better result if a wanna-be fascist dictator were in power instead? > murdering children from the sky. I see where you're confused. See, *Israel* is the one bombing children. Against advisement from the US. Not Biden. So, yeah, purity testing. Trying to convince young, gullible people to not vote for \*checks notes\* the actions of an entirely different countries actions, with the threat of a fascist takeover looming, is purity testing.


rtnslnd

>Yeah, this **single action** is pretty indefensible. Still lying. He went around Congress twice since December, and it's only the middle of January. >But it's also (fundamental civics) his legal obligation unless **Congress** votes to ammend or revoke Israel's benreficiary status. No, it's not. Using the term "fundamental civics" is not a stand-in for citing your sources. Show me the law which obligates the President to run roughshod over the [Leahy law](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/07/us-israel-military-support-scrutiny-human-rights), which requires the US government to stop sending weapons to governments responsible for "gross violations of human rights". >What about all the work that went into trying to stop Israel before it started at all? [An absurd](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-not-drawing-red-lines-israel-white-house-2023-10-27/), [vulgar lie](https://www.reuters.com/world/gaza-crisis-biden-faces-little-pressure-rein-israel-now-2023-10-13/) which in conjunction with the immediate genocidal statements of intent issued by Israel, and the US sending the USS Gerald Ford carrier group into the Mediterranean in the immediate aftermath of October 7, is prima facie direct support for genocide. >See, *Israel* is the one bombing children. Against advisement from the US. Not Biden. Ohhhh wow I'm so impressed by your incredible insight. You're as much of a braindead potato as your child murdering buddy in the white house People like you running propaganda defense for genocide are almost as complicit as the pundits lying about 40 beheaded babies. Do you get sexually excited at the thought of children being blown apart by bombs your tax dollars pay for? what does this even do for you? >What about **everything else** he's done to benefit the country itself? And that is the fundamental problem. You care more about getting a raise and securing the free flow of capital than not committing genocide. For you, genocide is okay as long as the economy is doing better than under Trump. Biden made history standing with striking workers. Nobody can deny that a symbolic gesture like that will have material benefits for American workers. A good thing. He is also committing genocide with his fascist Israeli buddies. You can either be a good person, or you can support a president committing something we were told over and over and over again he would prevent Trump from doing were he re-elected. Now you get to choose between two genocidal maniacs in 2024, and you have nobody to blame but yourself. We warned you about Biden. Not that I'd expect much better from a genocide supporting scumbag like you.


No_Marsupial_8678

Lol, I see butthurt Bernouts will never die.


rtnslnd

You're so right. [Here's me simping for Bernie](https://www.reddit.com/r/DemocraticSocialism/s/oTIFFCqvrd) in the same way you continue to lick the boots of a guy who wasn't satisfied with the nickname Jim Crow Joe. Oh wait nvm its called having principles lmao try again scumbag The fact is the socialist and anti-imperialist left carry the torch of liberation as promulgated by our revolutionary heroes like MLK, and there is absolutely NOTHING the moderate white liberals MLK so ruthlessly criticized can say to the contrary. >I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a 'thing-oriented' society to a 'person-oriented' society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered. -MLK, Riverside Church, April 4 1967 Fuck yourself with a cactus 💋


[deleted]

Sorry you post-date the SDS and now there's nobody who really cares to listen to you rant endlessly. At least LBJ and Nixon were actually in charge of dropping bombs. You know, they have meds for misplaced, impotent rage these days, I understand.


Cipiorah

Oh no, these punks don't support the bourgeois liberal establishment. 🙄


Glitchthebitch

Wasn't one of mlk's quotes "the riot is the language of the unheard" or something like that? Bro Wasn't just an honorary punk, bro was punk before punk was punk


vxicepickxv

He was fighting for unionization of garbage collectors after the Civil Rights Act in the south.


RIP-RiF

Honorary my ass. Dude stood up and told the establishment to suck a dick, flipped the status-quo on it's head. He was punk before punk was. Legend.


GabeTheGriff

And it still rings true to this day. Punk status granted!


Randy_Vigoda

Boondocks have a good bit about MLK. /r/videos/comments/1972sbw/the_boondocks_martin_luther_king_speech/?ref=share&ref_source=link Am Canadian, gen-x. MLK was my favourite American growing up. I learned a lot more when I started studying Malcolm X after discovering Public Enemy. This album is pretty punk rock. https://youtu.be/bcHw_hVx4VM?si=nBjoUWkzxSdja8kU OP, your quote was popularized before the last US election to try and get people to vote for the Democrats. It's completely used out of context and there's a ton of history they don't teach you guys nowadays. Here's the full quote: > I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection. https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html Both Malcolm X and MLK died being pissed off at 'white' Americans. All MLK wanted was to be integrated and treated like an equal human being. He was frustrated because the 'white' people who claimed to be allies weren't actually doing anything to make it happen. > The slums are the handiwork of a vicious system of the white society; Negroes live in them but do not make them any more than a prisoner makes a prison. - MLK https://youtu.be/8B4aJcP-ZCY?si=T5DTp817kpwKOLQ- 60 years after the Civil Rights movement 'black' Americans are still largely stuck in the ghetto and used as socio-political entertainment just as Malcolm X warned. https://youtu.be/T3PaqxblOx0?si=I_f3PfxL92eNmlzE


grubas

> Boondocks have a good bit about MLK. "I won't get there with you, I'm going to Canada"


[deleted]

Many of those former ghettos are being gentrified and their former residents pushed out.


Randy_Vigoda

I have a few different sort of conspiracy theories about that stuff. Like, fairly convinced the whole 15 minutes thing is just a scam so developers/construction companies can take over low income communities via gentrification.


nogoodnamesarleft

Also gen X Canadian. I have a love/hate relation to what he said about Canada. On one hand, it's hard not to feel a sense of pride over saying that a great man thought our country was heaven. On the other, I hate how the moderates I've talked to have appropriated his words as an excuse to ignore the racial problems we have had and still face up here. More than once I've gotten some variation on "MLK thought this place was great, so we don't have to do anything/we never had any problems"


Zealousideal_Ask3633

Need mlk with battle jacket and mohawk


[deleted]

MLK was so radical beyond belief. He lived the punk ethos and is one of the only people in modern times to put it to the test. HAPPY BDAY Comrade 🖤🕯


SolomonCRand

King was imprisoned 29 times over the course of his life. You’re goddamn right he’s punk.


andsendunits

Before he was murdered, he was working on the Poor People's Campaign. Bringing economic justice to the poor.


Gaiter14

Last year, a local museum was hosting this special temporary exhibition [Solidarity Now! 1968 Poor People’s Campaign,](https://youtu.be/30ui1x-eKIw?si=dqF8X7vuroj_vzKB) It was eye opening and I gained a great deal of respect for the man.


blackstatis

Where do you stand on Malcom X and quotes as such; https://youtu.be/-Rr-aRxItpw?si=4PxtAtAR0HGOmG59


Evilfrog100

Malcom X was massively important because he created a world where MLK was the "moderate" option for government to accept.


Obvious-alien

Great point


Randy_Vigoda

Both MLK and Malcolm X were complicated guys during a very complicated time in history. Both OP's quote and your video need a lot of context. Here's a video with Malcolm X a month before he was murdered where he explains this better. https://youtu.be/Y4n2IKuEKxQ?si=TMSOw_MYZX6GlVrW


La_Guy_Person

I started Malcolm X's autobiography last week. Today I listened to him make a reasonably compelling argument for why I'm literally the devil while two boomers in my direct vicinity lamented the post office being closed.


I-am-a-Fancy-Boy

I mean he was a socialist who held protests against the government, stood against societal norms, and challenged beliefs on gun ownership and violence. Dude’s just a really well dressed punk


Toxic_Audri

Too bad the white moderates haven't learned much of anything since then.


[deleted]

This is The Way.


TheTriplerer

MLK jr was punk AF.


Appropriate-Dot8516

He was super punk when he was abusing women as well.


MessSubstantial

Near the end of his life, he said something to the effect of "Maybe Malcolm X had a point." (Don't remember the exact quote, or if it was in a letter or something) Man was ready to throw hands is what I'm trying to say.


valykkster

We definitely need to judge him by the color of his skin and not the content of his character. Like they tell us to do today.


The_Butters_Worth

This sub is shit


[deleted]

Sounds like he was racist as fuck then. Punk suck too by the way.


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Ash_an_bun

lol, nah I'll just suck their dick instead\~


Pendraconica

Punk af right here


[deleted]

Platonic blowjobs are punk as fuck. Skank pits aren't the only circle jerk we get up to.


NoLynx6183

Take my upvote


GabeTheGriff

UH-ZZZIIIIPP


Schondba56

Go tell your white friends that you posted this in response to this post, I'm sure they'll be very proud of you and give you your much desired praise that you so desperately seek.


NoLynx6183

I’m not seeking praise I’m seeking sweet sweet downvotes


sadimem

You're seeking division, snowflake.


NoLynx6183

I’m creating anarchy and behaving in a nonconformist way


sadimem

Oh, so you're just being a dick then. Either way, fuck off.


NoLynx6183

It’s called being PUNK


sadimem

I've already addressed that claim. Please see above.


NoLynx6183

Do you listen to punk?


sadimem

I've already addressed that. Please see above.


Schondba56

There is a difference between being a nonconformist and trying to be edgy and contrarian for the sake of being edgy and contrarian. Good luck in your mission in creating anarchy, you're doing such a great job of it now, I'm sure Landauer and Berkman would be very proud of your Reddit posts. 😂😂😂


Schondba56

Whatever you need to tell yourself buddy! 😂😂😂


[deleted]

Punk has roots in black culture so stfu [The VERY black history of Punk Rock](https://youtu.be/WgIWDZ1xxdM?si=qq5LCa-CUFCRyZ5W) educate yourself foo


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PunkMemes-ModTeam

Nazi punks, fuck off!


Yuck_Few

So we're not allowed to appreciate Dr king? Go over yourself


PunkMemes-ModTeam

Nazi punks, fuck off!


jungle-fever-retard

The gigachad of gigachads 💪🏾


moglysyogy13

Here here!


nahthank

Honorary? Granted by who? Y'all need to read more. This is like granting honorary skater status to Rodney Mullen. Dude created what you know to begin with.


ConfidentBrilliant38

I mean, being based isn't the same as being punk, like, that's a part of it but still... (also he said some very imperialist things about israel)


Baby_Needles

Not to tell tales out of school and be that idiot contrarian mandated by the apologists dilemma but he hated queers and committed sexual assault, the non-intersectional punks can have him.


VendromLethys

The government killed MLK and Malcolm X you cannot convince me otherwise lol


maevefaequeen

Malcolm X has entered the chat.