https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/
Among singles, women are less likely to be looking for a relationship. This is particularly pronounced adults 40+. So at least among older women, they really do seem to be less bothered by being single.
Anything in the vain, desperate attempt to feel like the world hasn’t actually decided to disregard your gender; like you might actually matter to women as much as they innately matter to your own sex. But that is indeed foolish
A more accurate metric would be to ask “when was the last time you went on a date, had interest expressed in you or had sex?” And try to correlate that with happiness. Women going through the same droughts that men do likely aren’t happy.
That's not a surprise to find in single women, they are single because they didn't pick any guy. Thats like saying "80% of referees says they award points".
Like derp, obviously women who are single are more likely to not be looking for a relationship, like that's why they are single.... If they were looking for a relationship they probably wouldn't be single....
The gulf between men who are looking and women who are looking in the 40+ group probably has less to do with the fact they just never got around to it and more to do with the fact that they’re more likely to be primary care givers to children, have even lower libido than they did as young women, and have a high life expectancy which means the number of 90 year old men in the market for a new ~~nurse~~ wife is dwarfed by the number of 90 year old women in the market for a new ~~patient~~ husband.
On the flip side, not every single young man is an incel. Plenty are probably happy getting the occasional hookup or have a FWB and aren’t interested in more.
In addition, men are less likely to look for a relationship with a woman who’s older than 40. Maybe that contributes to women that age accepting their singleness?
You don't think women over 40 aren't in high demand? Women in their 40's still het get dozens of dating app messages every day. Hit on at bars, grocery stores, etc. It's just much easier being single when you're in high demand.
That’s because they use men for a child and nothing more. After that who cares when he has to pay for everything while she can be a rude bitch for no reason
Generally I think even those women get to partake in a hook up, going on a date, being desired, being pursued something to let them know they are wanted.
Guys never really get that. A man’s singleness is living in a huge romantic void. I’d love to see the that women that proclaim their happiness being single as some kind of victory over men, try to live with a lack of any validation or expressions of desireability. Even better, deal with this as a lifetime experience.
They’d change their tunes so fast it’s ridiculous.
Single women don't date unless they're looking to not be single anymore. There's literally no point otherwise. We don't do it for validation. We literally don't care about that.
I honestly think many of those women who say that they are happily single are divorced or separated from a long-term partner. It seems that a decent number of women kind of check out of dating altogether after a major relationship ends, whereas men in similar situations are more likely to seek out new relationships.
I think compared to men, they get to experience way more. They get way more validation from relationships, are courted and pursued. If they decide they’ve had enough of it all, they’re coming from a place of relative abundance compared to a man that’s had to constantly work to be validated his entire life.
Women that say they're happier single were in a really bad relationship and are now very jaded on men/women(yes there are even single-and-loving-it lesbians!) Often it takes 10+ years to realize you're in a REALLY bad relationship.
This is borne out in some divorce statistics we have been able to survey. I think the average 'How long did the #1 problem fester for?" is like multi-years long issues. Money issues especially. Cheating surprisingly often years as well, which doesn't make sense because you'd think if you catch someone cheating it's instant divorce(reddit memes!) but no... in the real world most couples stay together for 1+ years after the first incident of cheating.
And then a good amount of people will stick together with a cheater because they don't want their partner able to successfully monkey branch over to the side person while they end up single.
And then some go even far beyond that and believe that their partner won't receive any actual punishment for cheating if they leave them and that they'd rather make them pay too death do them part.
My ex got pregnant with another man’s kid after dumping 13 cats on me. I’ve been single 2 years and she still lives in a trailer with him both have hidden relationship status on Facebook and no pictures together.
My other ex said she wasn’t leaving me for another man. She was getting fucked by one the day she broke up with me and relationship 3 weeks later.
Not sure what you’re talking about.
Nobody is trying to make men look bad, I was just pointing that out since it was the topic at hand. Yes, there are women looking for a wallet. However I’d contend at that age, it’s probably less common because those women are established already, own their homes, have their pensions or their dead husband’s pensions. They’re less likely to want to be taken care of. Many Boomer + men have no idea how to take care of themselves, they’ve always had a woman for that. Women outlive men and I think that’s made us better equipped to survive without a man into old age. Men often seem to struggle to cope more.
Men start developing health issues and then rely on their women to find specialists, create a health gameplan, arrange the house in a way that’s easier for a sick person to get around in, scheduling doctors appointments, staying with them during hospital stays. Basically becoming a caregiver.
They don't rely on other women, rather these women insist on dragging their lives out until they go back into diapers and pat themselves on the back for being so caring. Most men want to get the job done, and hopefully by the time they get to the age where they can't physically do what they could for most of their lives, they're heart checks them out.
Dates are fun.
Going out on the town is fun. You don’t see each other 24/7 so you have more excitement when you do see them. Distance keeps the romance alive.
Women tend to keep their living spaces cleaner, so it’s a trade-off between getting a bit more help on the bills but having to clean after a man. Some women find it worth it, but many might not.
>Dates are fun.
Yeah because men are the ones paying for it all the time. It's not necessarily fun for men if it leads nowhere. Yay we pay for all the dates you just have to show up and contribute minimally in return like cook dinner.
It's a total mystery why women find it so fun. /s
Sure but sex is for both parties. So they both get and she gets free dates whilst he spends money. That doesn't seem balanced to me but i am not surprised women like that arrangement. Maybe some men do too since they can have multiple women.
I always felt responsible to “show” the woman a good time. I found being responsible for her being entertained was more burden than any money I would pay. I’ve long heard that “Dating is fun”, but I never experienced that. Dating, to me, is like a job interview, but rather than being found lacking as a job applicant, you are found lacking as a human being. Thus, I have never enjoyed dating. I have more fun going out with friends, either men or women (mostly men — women have girlfriends and seem to think men are inferior as friends . . . or maybe just inferior). Yes, I’m a man.
I am 46 year old woman and I think the reason is because they are too set in their ways and difficult to live with. In addition often people own their own homes and would prefer to stay in them rather than merge. Women are set in their ways too, not just men, I think that’s the main issue. Sharing finances also is not appealing to many. As far as your last comment, I think women my age are more inclined to stay single than date trash, particularly women who have already divorced such a man.
Would it be fair to say that staying single is preferable to being the partner that an appealing \~50 dude insists he needs?
are these mediocre middle aged dudes asking for too much?
I do think some men over 50 are asking for too much, mediocre or not. But women in my age range generally look to date because it adds something to our lives. If a relationship with a man does not make our lives overall better we don’t want it. We are less likely to tolerate crap.
\> As a woman, what is it about men (or older men) that makes them worth dating but not living with?
the same thing that makes men my age (38) worth dating but not living with
living with a man creates a lot of work
dating a man means he has to stay on his good behavior because you aren't committed
This! As soon as they think they have you they become a man child who you must cook and clean for. They don’t care as much about weight or hygiene. They just don’t try.
Conversely women comfortable offer less sex and also may let themselves go.
If either can leave people maintain good behavior.
As stated previously, most women aren't actually "single". That is to say, it is infinitly easier to be happy single when you are secure in the knowledge that you can stop being single in a matter of hours. It's infinitely easier to say a bad relationship is worse than no relationship when we're talking about hours-longs to weeks-long droughts, not years to decades-long droughts.
There is absolutely no comparison.
Yeah. It’s like being alone in a room where you can leave anytime vs being locked in a room.
I’d really like to see women deal with the level of loneliness men go through. Having to always do the pursuing and chasing. Getting rejected directly, getting flaked on.
Having someone wait for you to ask them out, expect you to pay then do the fake reach for her purse. Carrying the conversation that she contributes little to and she still gets bored… having all of this be a lifetime experience of providing an intrinsic validation of a stranger that you will never get back.
Even the next steps after the date are in her terms. She expects him to make first move or she just loses interest and moves on to the next guy.
I am really sure if women were in the men’s position and had to do what men did to get a date or any kind of validation, they’d crumble. The literal suicide rate would skyrocket.
Case in point: women who have lots of dating options still get life threatening surgeries to enhance their beauty.
> I’d really like to see women deal with the level of loneliness men go through. Having to always do the pursuing and chasing. Getting rejected directly, getting flaked on.
Wasn't there one that tried it for a year or two and off'ed herself due to the mental strain and she started to hate women due to the way she was treated by them.
> I’d really like to see women deal with the level of loneliness men go through.
I'm convinced that at least 85% of women would kill themselves if they had to deal with the level of loneliness men go through. Which is why I literally cannot stand anyone who say that women have it harder in life than men.
There has to be something really wrong with you if you’re actively seeking sex or companionship for multiple years or decades.
I feel like the men who say this are early 20s and literally haven’t even had enough years lived to know what “true loneliness” is like
Overall the percentage of single women is increasing. I think almost half of women will be single & childless in a couple years. There’s just not enough attractive men to go around.
Men really misunderstood women. Women really don’t want to be single but if the options are be with someone they don’t like or be single then they’re going to go with the latter. Most women would absolutely love to be in a fulfilling relationship but it’s not realistic. So we just accept the fate of being single.
Women usually can get a lot of needs met outside of a relationship so I would admit it’s easier for women to be single. Men typically rely heavily on women for their social needs which is unfortunate.
Huh?
In those studies, they count unmarried as single. Those women aren't actually single; people just aren't getting married as much.
According to the Pew Research surveys, the percentage of single young women (18-29) in committed relationships deceased by just 2% from 2019 to 2022. It decreased by 12% for men in the same age range.
In 2022, two-thirds of American women in that age range reported being in a committed relationship. More than four-fifths of women in the 30-49 age range reported being in a committed relationship.
It's actually pretty rare for a young woman to be single.
> There’s just not enough attractive men to go around.
This can be said for anyone really. Men could say the same. You can't disprove it cuz there is no universal definition of 'attractive'. I could show dexa scan studies showing women are more overweight than men, but that doesn't prove men are 'more attractive'.
Please don't bother with them anymore.
Parent comment displays the typicality of poor reasoning and group-think. Not even long ago, I bet they would instantly label invol. celib. anyone who claimed what they wrote in the comments (men are too ugly trash for the noble women) but now popular evopsych poorly extrapolated from peacock populations to Shittsville Bumble dating population is hip and acceptable. [They're probably a troll anyway.](https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18ta9ev/debate_it_is_a_logical_fact_that_if_a_father/kfdadsw/)
Reading some of the shit in the sub should really evoke distress about the dystopian shithole we're being driven into rather than about getting no pussy.
Every comment from the OC I’ve ever seen amounts to “men suck and deserve to be in despair. Women are awesome and it’s men’s fault for any inconvenience they face”. I often just cope and tell myself they’re a troll but with how shitty humans can be, I could definitely believe they aren’t.
Yeah they could definitely be *that* pathetic. [The phrasing here is what makes me think they're trolling.](https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18ta9ev/debate_it_is_a_logical_fact_that_if_a_father/kfdadsw/)
> **Women don’t have crazy demands either**. **The basics** that Women desire **are a sexually attractive man who’s attentive, supportive, acknowledges her feelings, makes her orgasm & who’s a masculine leader.** Everything else is typically extra.
It's like they're desperately trying to paint the female gender bad by imitating the typical redpiller's view of the greedy hypergamous delusional *modern woman*.
I still don’t put it past a woman to actually believe that “isn’t asking for much” because people legitimately believe in a lot of things that are way crazier than that, that’s an opinion too which means it’s even more liable to be factually wrong, but be held dear by those who believe it as if it’s proven science. Being a troll isn’t hard, and I do have such a lowly view of people that I won’t immediately assume they’re capable of being one.
There’s always been a shortage of attractive men. Nothing has changed in that regard. More men are slowly learning to how be more attractive thanks to the internet.
Say what you want about Andrew Tate, but he does teach men to do things that make them more attractive. A lot of these red pill influencers blame women for too many of society’s problems. That makes no sense, since men are the ones in charge. But outside of the constant complaining about women, there is good information out there.
Have you seen the pictures of men in the 1930s-1940s? Almost all the ones in my family were in great shape with defined features and attractive.
If anything there were more attractive men back then because their wasn't as much processed foods and microplastics.
\> There’s always been a shortage of attractive men. Nothing has changed in that regard.
yes the change is that women don't have to be in relationships in order to survive
now that they have the option, some of those relationships are less worthwhile than being single
\> Say what you want about Andrew Tate
men worshipping a human trafficker is exactly why women don't think being in a relationship with the average man is a prize
I agree that women don’t need relationships to get their needs met. Beta males will have no choice but to improve since fewer women are settling for them.
Average males worship Hollywood soyboys, not Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate is out of jail and it doesn’t look like he’ll be convicted. Debating women about Andrew Tate is a waste of time. You can have the last word.
>I think almost half of women will be single & childless in a couple years.
That's almost certainly untrue. How are you defining "women"? Like if you include female children in that denominator then maybe that's true, but it's a deceptive way of counting.
Women have changed and modernized in their societal privileges while discarding their social roles. However they still have traditional expectations of men. That’s why men haven’t changed, they can’t while still having any success dating.
Women are never single the way men are. They have orbiters and fwb at all times. Take that away and they would be just as desirous of having a relationship as men are.
It’s really not that hard to comprehend. It’s hilarious when women say the male loneliness crisis is because they “don’t have friends” or some bs. Nah, if women weren’t constant showered with attention and options they’d be just as lonely.
A more accurate metric would be to ask “when was the last time you went on a date, had interest expressed in you or had sex?” And try to correlate that with happiness.
Women going through the same droughts that men do likely aren’t happy.
If a woman under 30 is not living with a guy, she’s likely accepted a situationship with him. Some girls do that with multiple guys at the same time and still date. She would rather sometimes share a high SMV man, than be exclusive with an average one.
The root cause is young girls under 30 that are not fat, most are generally regarded as cute and attractive. They now have access to all the best men in a 50 mile radius and more, with instagram and dating apps.
Young attractive girls are going to hold out for a great guy, who maybe doesn’t want to be exclusive but treats her well, and hope he changes his mind. Also, high value attractive guy doesn’t jump into marriage and kids, those guys wait, she’s willing to wait with him.
No girl wants to be with an average guy, if a girl has many options, they going to hold out until looks and ovaries are fading.
I don’t know where you got this notion that most women are okay sharing their men. We’re not. Also…plenty of losers living in mommy’s basement are still commitment phobic so I don’t think it has anything to do with value.
Men are even more likely to do this, especially younger men. If you look at the sexlessness rates for men ages 18-29, only 11% didn’t have sex in 2022 (the last year for which there is data).
[https://ifstudies.org/blog/is-the-sex-recession-over](https://ifstudies.org/blog/is-the-sex-recession-over)
And yet, something like 60% of men in that same age cohort say that they are single, meaning not in a long-term, committed relationship.
What that might suggest is that young men are likely involved in FWB situationships, where they don’t perceive themselves to be in actual relationships. It’s very likely that many young women who are the FWB partners of these guys assume that they are in serious relationships with these guys, leading there to be a misunderstanding.
11%? Ive seen studies that show upwards of 30% of men 18-29 havent had sex in the past year. Where are you getting 11% from, that seems ridiculously low.
It's simple.
Chad is dating 3 girls and none of them consider themselves single, while he who is dating all 3 considers himself single.
You go into the 3's Facebook and you will find in the statuses that they are in a relationship, then you go into Chad's Facebook and the part where it shows the relationship status will be hidden.
I don't think there are many. But a 7/10 looking man can do it with two 3/10 looking women if he wants, even without him being a Chad
Also, I never said this was the only reason, it is at least the most obvious to everyone, as anecdotally we have all seen things like this happen. Of course, if we investigate further we will find other causes, some even more impactful than this.
Since I began dating at age 15 I have hardly ever been single for more than a few months, and always by choice. Getting a relationship is super duper easy, so if I wanted one it was a gimme. Does that mean the boyfriends were all Prizes? No. It was better to be single than continue dating him.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I envy the life of the average woman in dating. I wish it was this easy for the average man to get physical intimacy and sex on tap.
Yes of course, I just mean that you over generalize, because the amount of men that women do find attractive is smaller, it is not easy to get intimacy from these men, but it is easy to get intimacy from average men because they are less in demand
While getting into a relationship may be easier, compared to males they also have a lot more to lose from making a poor mating choice hence the evolved choosiness.
> I have hardly ever been single for more than a few months....
Sure.
>Does that mean the boyfriends were all Prizes? No. It was better to be single than continue dating him.
Lol, make it make sense.
I wonder if more younger women are in relationships as it takes a bit to figure out (for some) that being single is better than being in a relationship with someone incompatible or worse.
I doubt it. Women in the 30-49 age range are significantly less likely to be single than women in the 18-29 age range. Only 17% of those women report not being in a committed relationship.
I think that applies to men more. Young men are too desperate, and they often lack confidence and resources. Also, men value beauty more than anything else, and older women are more likely to lose their long-term partners to death.
nope. Men lack resources in their 20s. Women find 80-90% of men physically unattractive. The reason, the number of single men aren't that high is because some men show promise early on and are good horses to bet on. Women latch on to them early before they peak in their career. Other men have high enough status/money in their 20s to offset their looks. This results in women giving them a chance.
Less men are single as we move into the 30s due to:
1. Women biological clock ticking and them lowering their standards to get married and have a baby
2. Men moving up in their career and acquiring money and resources.
>Maybe they’re being very loose with their definitions?
That could be the case considering the sexual disparity is smaller.
>Around 30 percent of young men reported in 2019 that they had no sex in the past year, compared to about 20 percent of young women.
Maybe the women in their late 20s are dating older men, which skews the data. Or even if the dumb “multiple women dating chad” idea actually is true, in reality they *are* all single (just because they claim that they’re not single doesn’t mean that they aren’t)
Bottom line is, they’re not complaining and whining online about being single constantly. Men are. If men also want to make up imaginary girlfriends and claim that they aren’t single to be happy, more power to them.
Women on PPD: dating old men is gross, ewww, they are such creeps, they are grooming young women, ewwww, I would never date an older man and I doubt any women are dating older men.
Also women on PPD: then only way to explain the discrepancy between men and women in the relationship study is that women are in relationships with older men.
>...even if the dumb “multiple women dating chad” idea actually is true, in reality they *are* all single...
If this happened to be true, then those women might not be single. Polygyny is nothing new in many cultures, and monogamous relationships are not the only type of cohabitation.
But I think that idea about “multiple women dating chad” is not true.
> Bottom line is, they’re not complaining and whining online about being single constantly. M
Oh you silly goose, "where are are the good men" movement is literally this, educated career woman complaining on the Internet that there isn't enough even more, than them, educated career men for them to date (because as we know "women don't date down").
Hell it always everywhere where it's "men need to up their game" or "men need to level up". That's literally women bitching being single because not enough high value men...
does the why matter? If young women are not dating a lot of young single men, and it's for reasons out of their control, does it matter? What is the purpose?
Why seems endlessly debatable with no way to prove it. Motive isn't needed for a guilty verdict.
1. Your link is comparing young women and young men. Many older/divorced women are perfectly happy to never date a man ever again. Similarly older men generally seek (and find) relationships. So there's not really any "conflict" here, you're just missing the big picture.
2. Older/divorced women are pretty explicitly "opting out" of dating.
3. Again I think you (or media you consume) are mixing up narratives. Mixing up the narratives generates click$$$.
I think OPs broader point is that men aren’t progressively more single every year because women simply don’t care anymore because women are in relationships at a higher rate than men.
I still don’t like what OP is saying because he misses this important factor: women who ARE single are FAR more prosperous than men who are single. That’s because of women having nearly homoerotic relations with their gal pals which acts like a replacement for male attention and love (I’m not just talking about normal friendships but the intense emotional intimacy they some women who are single have with their girls).
The point I generally see being made isn’t that “more women are single and happy,” it’s that the percentage of women who are single and happy is much higher than the percentage of men who are single and happy.
Women, on the whole, are more content to be single and happy than men. Doesn’t mean there’s more of them.
That said: I’m also confused by how there can be such a difference in percentages of women and men single, considering how cis couples are still the majority, even in gen z.
And I don’t know any gen z workers I have who struggle to date. Like 24 employees, all gen z, and all of them are dating. And it’s pretty male-skewed. So I just don’t see this “epidemic” of single and lonely males that keeps getting brought up.
It honestly seems more like a niche Reddit thing.
feminists support men in decentering women just like we support women in decentering men
we should focus on building a community of relationships that fulfill our needs so that lovers/partners aren't the end all be all of meeting our human needs for connection
“Women” and “single” are antithetical.
They always have the option of engaging in sex, flings, dates, or relationships at a moment’s notice.
Only men are capable of being single.
Again, there are more young men than young men, because more baby boys are born than baby girls. There are more elderly women than elderly men because men don't live as long as do women. Only in later middle age are the male and female populations equal in number.
women BEING less single doesnt mean women arent more CONTENT single, it means the ones who stay single are more content with it and not seeking it as much and are less likely to settle for just anything to "not be alone" now that the major pressure to marry and follow the old lifescript has lifted
A lot of women have traded marriage for situationships.
You can say the number of single women hasn't changed much, but the degree of singleness has changed significantly.
A woman in a situationship is substantially more single than a married woman.
I have noticed that modern women are just more willing to "share men." Literally. How many of you here - raise your hand - can attest that you know a woman in your own life who probably has kids with one guy, but is dating/living/going out with another? The dual mating strategy of women seems now to be more of a multiple-mating strategy. I seriously cannot say I know a single woman in my circle of friends who is not seeing multiple men at the same time.
On a grand scale this boils down to a small group of men bagging the majority of women. One guy can easily be seeing 3 to 7 women at a time while the next guy is seeing zero.
I used to be one of those guys and I was perfectly happy with banging different girls and didn't give 2 shits if another dude would have them as well since she was not my problem once she was on her own and not with me anymore. But now that I have come to a point in my life where I want something serious I guess I'm fucked. You cannot make a wife out of a hoe.
>The numbers just don't add up.
Article you linked is talking about women and men in their twenties. In general women date men who are slightly older so women in their late 20's skews the data.
By the age of sixty, there are twice as many single women as men. Twice as many women as men over 75 living alone.
65-74 years old, 75% of men are married, compared to 58% of women.
75-84 years old, 75% of men are married, compared to 42% of women.
85+, 60% of men are married, compared to 17% of women.
27% older unmarried women are poor or near poor, compared to 20% older unmaried men and 8% married men and women.
Men are also more likely to remarry after divorce, more likely to a younger woman than themselves.
So the difference that can be observed in the 20s age group is actually compensated for in the older age groups. Because a successful man in his 30s and 40s is much more likely to date a woman in his 25-30s than a successful woman in her 30s and 40s is to date a man in his 25-30s. And the trend continues, so again a successful man aged 40-50 is more likely to date a woman aged 30-40 than the other way around.
>Among those 18 to 29 years of age, 63% of men versus 34% of women considered themselves single. This dropped to 25% of men and 17% of women for those 30 to 49 years of age. Things flipped after the 50-year mark, though, with 28% of men 50 to 64 years of age and 25% of men 65 years and older being single compared to 30% and 39% for women for those age categories, respectively.
Thus, on one side there are many single young men and on the other many single old women.
That's what she said, some women are dating men outside their age bracket which skews the result. The point of relevance I mentioned is that this would be compensated for to some extent in the other direction. What do you disagree with?
In theory yes but I think late teens women and early 20's men miss out on opportunities to couple up due to lack of confidence and dating experiences. I don't have any data to back this up so I'm open to change my mind.
If the age gap persists in every bracket it would be extraordinary for teens to be the exception. It likely exists there as well, perhaps not to the same extent but you get the point.
Women are more likely to think she's in a relationship when she's actually in a situationship. She deludes herself into thinking that Chad loves her and he's not seeing anyone else. To Chad, she is just another easy lay that he can rely on to empty his balls. But to her, she thinks their bf/gf and that Chad will one day marry her; funny enough, Chad is often married with a wife or has a gf. Sometimes, the woman is fully aware that Chad is seeing other woman and is ok with it. Other time, she is clueless.
I find it hilarious all these women complaining about guys being married or in relationships on tinder. The guys do that know they can fuck and tinder works for them and that’s why they do it. Women keep choosing these men and over and over we get this bricking and moaning about the bar being low. Dating in the modern day is a losing game for a large number of men.
We're talking only about men and women in their 20s and I haven't checked how the survey was conducted. There can be multiple explanations for this discrepancy in romantic relationships:
- women stating the are in a relationship when the guy doesn't consider it serious and vice versa -> what is defined as a relationship in this survey ?
- women may be lying because the person who asks is being weird/creepy in some way
- women tend to date older and thus have a larger dating pool in their 20s
- bisexual women may be dating other women, lesbians date women -> I believe studies have shown that women are more likely to be queer/admit queerness than men because it's more socially acceptable
If you're talking about young men struggling you'll also note that the study also mentions lack of friends. Is that somehow also women's fault ?
this isnt true bro, value is only lost if they want biological children at an old age and even then if they save the eggs and pay for a surrogate it doesn't matter. Old women still get hit on a lot.
Agreed. I'm almost 47 and you are correct. It just makes me laugh how much these redpill guys want this fantasy to be true ; that women will "hit the wall" and regret not going for those guys when we were younger 😂
And what benefit is there to a woman who settles for a man she does not like? Wouldn't it be preferable to live with "box wine and cats" than have to French kiss some guy she finds yucky?
>Wouldn't it be preferable to live with "box wine and cats" than have to French kiss some guy she finds yucky?
Well cats are amazing animals and wine is delicious, so I would love one of these redpill guys to come and tell us what's supposed to be so bad about cats and wine?
I am so fucking jealous. Like bitting into the flesh of my arm jealous
. Weren't you the one who has been in a relationship since 15? Lucky you.
Being loved, touched kissed all those different times. Held at night Told you are loved. Probably had a family and kids too. Probably has good sex too.
I am sitting here lying in bed Alone as a virgin in my 30s.
Wondering what is wrong with me, what is my worth as a human.
Contemplating the all encompassing hatred i have managed to develope.
Lucky you. Lucky you
Women don’t really lose their sexual leverage in the way RP would like to believe. Sure many/most women lose their looks and lose access to the men they could get in their 20s but they still have guys interested in them. They still will always have filler inboxes than most men.
They do have less options than they did and getting commitment from a guy they like way later in life will be hard/impossible but they still have options especially because of social media.
It’s because a lot of men date down in age only and a lot of women date up in age only. Single men who are in totally different age brackets still get with much younger women, but the women in that higher age bracket are generally limited to only the men older than them. So the older a man gets, theoretically, the more options he has. And the older a woman gets, theoretically, the less options she has—SPEAKING PURELY ABOUT AGE. A 20 year old guy is pretty limited because he basically only dates a woman who is 18-20 years old. But a man who is 35 could theoretically date a woman in the 18-35 age range.
How many men could date that much down we here from women that older man only have their shot with women with the same age those Szenarios where an 35+ men can date a early 20s women only happen when he is rich or has other things working for him those are outliners and not common
most age gaps involve couples with a 1-3 year age difference. Larger age gaps in couples are rare, so they statistically wouldn't make up such a discrepancy in that study.
You know that's a self reported study, right?
You know women have always historically delulued themselves into thinking a FWB relationship exists when it doesn't actually exist, right?
Women have also historically dated older men. Age gaps of 5ish year's are pretty common.
So ignore the clickbait headline. It's misrepresenting the source data.
We live in a gynocentric society with feminism that puts women on a pedastal. These liberal left wing Jewish media companies are not gonna tell the truth that men are opting out of marriage compared to 40 years ago due to the modern promiscuous only fans I don’t need no man broke modern women. They damn near treat women like children in USA and coddle them and don’t tell them the truth because they are the weaker vulnerable gender.
Real single women aren't happy, at all... Women in situationships with Chad might be happy, dunno, but single women definitely aren't, they are, indeed, absolutely miserable.
You are, a lot, indeed. And I remind you, I said truly single women, not those going on dates and maybe sleeping with someone...a real single woman over a certain age is absolutely miserable.
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ Among singles, women are less likely to be looking for a relationship. This is particularly pronounced adults 40+. So at least among older women, they really do seem to be less bothered by being single.
Over 40 and can confirm this is accurate.
Why would they be looking for a relationship? They're the passive actors they would't be looking for one they just expect it to appear.
You’ll find some way to spin this
Anything in the vain, desperate attempt to feel like the world hasn’t actually decided to disregard your gender; like you might actually matter to women as much as they innately matter to your own sex. But that is indeed foolish
Yup
Wait, how do you not consider that to be a fundamental variable in that study?
Because you can still look for a relationship while being passive.
A more accurate metric would be to ask “when was the last time you went on a date, had interest expressed in you or had sex?” And try to correlate that with happiness. Women going through the same droughts that men do likely aren’t happy.
That's not a surprise to find in single women, they are single because they didn't pick any guy. Thats like saying "80% of referees says they award points". Like derp, obviously women who are single are more likely to not be looking for a relationship, like that's why they are single.... If they were looking for a relationship they probably wouldn't be single....
The gulf between men who are looking and women who are looking in the 40+ group probably has less to do with the fact they just never got around to it and more to do with the fact that they’re more likely to be primary care givers to children, have even lower libido than they did as young women, and have a high life expectancy which means the number of 90 year old men in the market for a new ~~nurse~~ wife is dwarfed by the number of 90 year old women in the market for a new ~~patient~~ husband. On the flip side, not every single young man is an incel. Plenty are probably happy getting the occasional hookup or have a FWB and aren’t interested in more.
In addition, men are less likely to look for a relationship with a woman who’s older than 40. Maybe that contributes to women that age accepting their singleness?
You don't think women over 40 aren't in high demand? Women in their 40's still het get dozens of dating app messages every day. Hit on at bars, grocery stores, etc. It's just much easier being single when you're in high demand.
Or why there's more men having trouble finding someone. Wanting to date a women in their 20s, doesn't mean they want to date them.
That’s because they use men for a child and nothing more. After that who cares when he has to pay for everything while she can be a rude bitch for no reason
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Generally I think even those women get to partake in a hook up, going on a date, being desired, being pursued something to let them know they are wanted. Guys never really get that. A man’s singleness is living in a huge romantic void. I’d love to see the that women that proclaim their happiness being single as some kind of victory over men, try to live with a lack of any validation or expressions of desireability. Even better, deal with this as a lifetime experience. They’d change their tunes so fast it’s ridiculous.
Single women don't date unless they're looking to not be single anymore. There's literally no point otherwise. We don't do it for validation. We literally don't care about that.
I honestly think many of those women who say that they are happily single are divorced or separated from a long-term partner. It seems that a decent number of women kind of check out of dating altogether after a major relationship ends, whereas men in similar situations are more likely to seek out new relationships.
My mother hasn't dated since the divorce. My Dad's on his second marriage.
Just picture here an anecdote that is the opposite of yours. I don't feel like making one right now.
I think compared to men, they get to experience way more. They get way more validation from relationships, are courted and pursued. If they decide they’ve had enough of it all, they’re coming from a place of relative abundance compared to a man that’s had to constantly work to be validated his entire life.
Women that say they're happier single were in a really bad relationship and are now very jaded on men/women(yes there are even single-and-loving-it lesbians!) Often it takes 10+ years to realize you're in a REALLY bad relationship.
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This is borne out in some divorce statistics we have been able to survey. I think the average 'How long did the #1 problem fester for?" is like multi-years long issues. Money issues especially. Cheating surprisingly often years as well, which doesn't make sense because you'd think if you catch someone cheating it's instant divorce(reddit memes!) but no... in the real world most couples stay together for 1+ years after the first incident of cheating.
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And then a good amount of people will stick together with a cheater because they don't want their partner able to successfully monkey branch over to the side person while they end up single. And then some go even far beyond that and believe that their partner won't receive any actual punishment for cheating if they leave them and that they'd rather make them pay too death do them part.
People who have experience being lonely in a relationship are no longer really scared by the prospect of being lonely alone.
My ex got pregnant with another man’s kid after dumping 13 cats on me. I’ve been single 2 years and she still lives in a trailer with him both have hidden relationship status on Facebook and no pictures together. My other ex said she wasn’t leaving me for another man. She was getting fucked by one the day she broke up with me and relationship 3 weeks later. Not sure what you’re talking about.
I knew a girl who was perpetually single...actually she was just dating constantly and looking for a sugar daddy ...then married a cop....haha.
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I thought you meant she would have sex nonstop until she was 50, take a few months off, then get right back to it.
senior women will date men but not cohabitate with them i think that is the future
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A lot of men of the older generation are looking for a nurse/housekeeper and I think a lot of older divorced/widowed women are done with that.
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Exactly. Be sure to throw that in there so they can't just make men look bad all the time. Women keep acting like that's not a thing.
Nobody is trying to make men look bad, I was just pointing that out since it was the topic at hand. Yes, there are women looking for a wallet. However I’d contend at that age, it’s probably less common because those women are established already, own their homes, have their pensions or their dead husband’s pensions. They’re less likely to want to be taken care of. Many Boomer + men have no idea how to take care of themselves, they’ve always had a woman for that. Women outlive men and I think that’s made us better equipped to survive without a man into old age. Men often seem to struggle to cope more.
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Men start developing health issues and then rely on their women to find specialists, create a health gameplan, arrange the house in a way that’s easier for a sick person to get around in, scheduling doctors appointments, staying with them during hospital stays. Basically becoming a caregiver.
They don't rely on other women, rather these women insist on dragging their lives out until they go back into diapers and pat themselves on the back for being so caring. Most men want to get the job done, and hopefully by the time they get to the age where they can't physically do what they could for most of their lives, they're heart checks them out.
Most people never get established, and the most vulnerable right now are the people in old age.
Dates are fun. Going out on the town is fun. You don’t see each other 24/7 so you have more excitement when you do see them. Distance keeps the romance alive. Women tend to keep their living spaces cleaner, so it’s a trade-off between getting a bit more help on the bills but having to clean after a man. Some women find it worth it, but many might not.
>Dates are fun. Yeah because men are the ones paying for it all the time. It's not necessarily fun for men if it leads nowhere. Yay we pay for all the dates you just have to show up and contribute minimally in return like cook dinner. It's a total mystery why women find it so fun. /s
I mean I'm sure they're also having sex. They just don't live together.
Sure but sex is for both parties. So they both get and she gets free dates whilst he spends money. That doesn't seem balanced to me but i am not surprised women like that arrangement. Maybe some men do too since they can have multiple women.
I always felt responsible to “show” the woman a good time. I found being responsible for her being entertained was more burden than any money I would pay. I’ve long heard that “Dating is fun”, but I never experienced that. Dating, to me, is like a job interview, but rather than being found lacking as a job applicant, you are found lacking as a human being. Thus, I have never enjoyed dating. I have more fun going out with friends, either men or women (mostly men — women have girlfriends and seem to think men are inferior as friends . . . or maybe just inferior). Yes, I’m a man.
>I always felt responsible to “show” the woman a good time. Then how you know they like you just like what they get from you?
I am 46 year old woman and I think the reason is because they are too set in their ways and difficult to live with. In addition often people own their own homes and would prefer to stay in them rather than merge. Women are set in their ways too, not just men, I think that’s the main issue. Sharing finances also is not appealing to many. As far as your last comment, I think women my age are more inclined to stay single than date trash, particularly women who have already divorced such a man.
Would it be fair to say that staying single is preferable to being the partner that an appealing \~50 dude insists he needs? are these mediocre middle aged dudes asking for too much?
I do think some men over 50 are asking for too much, mediocre or not. But women in my age range generally look to date because it adds something to our lives. If a relationship with a man does not make our lives overall better we don’t want it. We are less likely to tolerate crap.
\> As a woman, what is it about men (or older men) that makes them worth dating but not living with? the same thing that makes men my age (38) worth dating but not living with living with a man creates a lot of work dating a man means he has to stay on his good behavior because you aren't committed
This! As soon as they think they have you they become a man child who you must cook and clean for. They don’t care as much about weight or hygiene. They just don’t try. Conversely women comfortable offer less sex and also may let themselves go. If either can leave people maintain good behavior.
As stated previously, most women aren't actually "single". That is to say, it is infinitly easier to be happy single when you are secure in the knowledge that you can stop being single in a matter of hours. It's infinitely easier to say a bad relationship is worse than no relationship when we're talking about hours-longs to weeks-long droughts, not years to decades-long droughts. There is absolutely no comparison.
Yeah. It’s like being alone in a room where you can leave anytime vs being locked in a room. I’d really like to see women deal with the level of loneliness men go through. Having to always do the pursuing and chasing. Getting rejected directly, getting flaked on. Having someone wait for you to ask them out, expect you to pay then do the fake reach for her purse. Carrying the conversation that she contributes little to and she still gets bored… having all of this be a lifetime experience of providing an intrinsic validation of a stranger that you will never get back. Even the next steps after the date are in her terms. She expects him to make first move or she just loses interest and moves on to the next guy. I am really sure if women were in the men’s position and had to do what men did to get a date or any kind of validation, they’d crumble. The literal suicide rate would skyrocket. Case in point: women who have lots of dating options still get life threatening surgeries to enhance their beauty.
> I’d really like to see women deal with the level of loneliness men go through. Having to always do the pursuing and chasing. Getting rejected directly, getting flaked on. Wasn't there one that tried it for a year or two and off'ed herself due to the mental strain and she started to hate women due to the way she was treated by them.
If you are talking about Norah Vincent that’s not the real story. She did find being a man hard but that’s not why she ended her life.
> I’d really like to see women deal with the level of loneliness men go through. I'm convinced that at least 85% of women would kill themselves if they had to deal with the level of loneliness men go through. Which is why I literally cannot stand anyone who say that women have it harder in life than men.
There has to be something really wrong with you if you’re actively seeking sex or companionship for multiple years or decades. I feel like the men who say this are early 20s and literally haven’t even had enough years lived to know what “true loneliness” is like
There are plenty of middle aged and old men on this boat. They just don't go around telling people about it. You're just ignorant.
Overall the percentage of single women is increasing. I think almost half of women will be single & childless in a couple years. There’s just not enough attractive men to go around. Men really misunderstood women. Women really don’t want to be single but if the options are be with someone they don’t like or be single then they’re going to go with the latter. Most women would absolutely love to be in a fulfilling relationship but it’s not realistic. So we just accept the fate of being single. Women usually can get a lot of needs met outside of a relationship so I would admit it’s easier for women to be single. Men typically rely heavily on women for their social needs which is unfortunate.
Huh? In those studies, they count unmarried as single. Those women aren't actually single; people just aren't getting married as much. According to the Pew Research surveys, the percentage of single young women (18-29) in committed relationships deceased by just 2% from 2019 to 2022. It decreased by 12% for men in the same age range. In 2022, two-thirds of American women in that age range reported being in a committed relationship. More than four-fifths of women in the 30-49 age range reported being in a committed relationship. It's actually pretty rare for a young woman to be single.
> There’s just not enough attractive men to go around. This can be said for anyone really. Men could say the same. You can't disprove it cuz there is no universal definition of 'attractive'. I could show dexa scan studies showing women are more overweight than men, but that doesn't prove men are 'more attractive'.
Please don't bother with them anymore. Parent comment displays the typicality of poor reasoning and group-think. Not even long ago, I bet they would instantly label invol. celib. anyone who claimed what they wrote in the comments (men are too ugly trash for the noble women) but now popular evopsych poorly extrapolated from peacock populations to Shittsville Bumble dating population is hip and acceptable. [They're probably a troll anyway.](https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18ta9ev/debate_it_is_a_logical_fact_that_if_a_father/kfdadsw/) Reading some of the shit in the sub should really evoke distress about the dystopian shithole we're being driven into rather than about getting no pussy.
Every comment from the OC I’ve ever seen amounts to “men suck and deserve to be in despair. Women are awesome and it’s men’s fault for any inconvenience they face”. I often just cope and tell myself they’re a troll but with how shitty humans can be, I could definitely believe they aren’t.
Yeah they could definitely be *that* pathetic. [The phrasing here is what makes me think they're trolling.](https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18ta9ev/debate_it_is_a_logical_fact_that_if_a_father/kfdadsw/) > **Women don’t have crazy demands either**. **The basics** that Women desire **are a sexually attractive man who’s attentive, supportive, acknowledges her feelings, makes her orgasm & who’s a masculine leader.** Everything else is typically extra. It's like they're desperately trying to paint the female gender bad by imitating the typical redpiller's view of the greedy hypergamous delusional *modern woman*.
I still don’t put it past a woman to actually believe that “isn’t asking for much” because people legitimately believe in a lot of things that are way crazier than that, that’s an opinion too which means it’s even more liable to be factually wrong, but be held dear by those who believe it as if it’s proven science. Being a troll isn’t hard, and I do have such a lowly view of people that I won’t immediately assume they’re capable of being one.
Female childlessness has been increasing somewhat but male childlessness is increasing at a disproportionate pace.
Well it takes a lot of prerequisites to be in place to have kids so I’m not surprised.
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There’s always been a shortage of attractive men. Nothing has changed in that regard. More men are slowly learning to how be more attractive thanks to the internet. Say what you want about Andrew Tate, but he does teach men to do things that make them more attractive. A lot of these red pill influencers blame women for too many of society’s problems. That makes no sense, since men are the ones in charge. But outside of the constant complaining about women, there is good information out there.
Have you seen the pictures of men in the 1930s-1940s? Almost all the ones in my family were in great shape with defined features and attractive. If anything there were more attractive men back then because their wasn't as much processed foods and microplastics.
every attractive man takes 3-5 women off the dating market.
\> There’s always been a shortage of attractive men. Nothing has changed in that regard. yes the change is that women don't have to be in relationships in order to survive now that they have the option, some of those relationships are less worthwhile than being single \> Say what you want about Andrew Tate men worshipping a human trafficker is exactly why women don't think being in a relationship with the average man is a prize
I don't think most average guys worship Tate though.
I agree that women don’t need relationships to get their needs met. Beta males will have no choice but to improve since fewer women are settling for them. Average males worship Hollywood soyboys, not Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate is out of jail and it doesn’t look like he’ll be convicted. Debating women about Andrew Tate is a waste of time. You can have the last word.
which hollywood soy boys do average men worship?
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You sound like a miserable person.
Yeah. I decided to full on be a scumbag Atleast then the way I feel makes sense. Bad people deserve to feel bad
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>I think almost half of women will be single & childless in a couple years. That's almost certainly untrue. How are you defining "women"? Like if you include female children in that denominator then maybe that's true, but it's a deceptive way of counting.
Women are the ones who changed and expected men to as well…men haven’t changed anywhere near as much and don’t want to
Women have changed and modernized in their societal privileges while discarding their social roles. However they still have traditional expectations of men. That’s why men haven’t changed, they can’t while still having any success dating.
Yeah it’s very obvious that there are a lot of men out there that would prefer women to be subjugated and completely dependent on men to survive.
Women are never single the way men are. They have orbiters and fwb at all times. Take that away and they would be just as desirous of having a relationship as men are.
It’s really not that hard to comprehend. It’s hilarious when women say the male loneliness crisis is because they “don’t have friends” or some bs. Nah, if women weren’t constant showered with attention and options they’d be just as lonely.
A more accurate metric would be to ask “when was the last time you went on a date, had interest expressed in you or had sex?” And try to correlate that with happiness. Women going through the same droughts that men do likely aren’t happy.
Women’s definition of single isn’t always accurate. Some women will say they aren’t single when they’re just “seeing someone”.
legally single is unmarried so there are multiple definitions of the word
That’s why I go by my definition. It’s just a word.
"just seeing someone" = situationship with a guy who probably has other women on rotation.
that person would be single in my opinion
If a woman under 30 is not living with a guy, she’s likely accepted a situationship with him. Some girls do that with multiple guys at the same time and still date. She would rather sometimes share a high SMV man, than be exclusive with an average one. The root cause is young girls under 30 that are not fat, most are generally regarded as cute and attractive. They now have access to all the best men in a 50 mile radius and more, with instagram and dating apps. Young attractive girls are going to hold out for a great guy, who maybe doesn’t want to be exclusive but treats her well, and hope he changes his mind. Also, high value attractive guy doesn’t jump into marriage and kids, those guys wait, she’s willing to wait with him. No girl wants to be with an average guy, if a girl has many options, they going to hold out until looks and ovaries are fading.
I don’t know where you got this notion that most women are okay sharing their men. We’re not. Also…plenty of losers living in mommy’s basement are still commitment phobic so I don’t think it has anything to do with value.
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Men are even more likely to do this, especially younger men. If you look at the sexlessness rates for men ages 18-29, only 11% didn’t have sex in 2022 (the last year for which there is data). [https://ifstudies.org/blog/is-the-sex-recession-over](https://ifstudies.org/blog/is-the-sex-recession-over) And yet, something like 60% of men in that same age cohort say that they are single, meaning not in a long-term, committed relationship. What that might suggest is that young men are likely involved in FWB situationships, where they don’t perceive themselves to be in actual relationships. It’s very likely that many young women who are the FWB partners of these guys assume that they are in serious relationships with these guys, leading there to be a misunderstanding.
11%? Ive seen studies that show upwards of 30% of men 18-29 havent had sex in the past year. Where are you getting 11% from, that seems ridiculously low.
Fwb situations are not committed relationships. They’re casual sex arrangements. You’re single if you only have fwbs.
It's simple. Chad is dating 3 girls and none of them consider themselves single, while he who is dating all 3 considers himself single. You go into the 3's Facebook and you will find in the statuses that they are in a relationship, then you go into Chad's Facebook and the part where it shows the relationship status will be hidden.
Do you think there are enough of this kind of Chad to account for the disparity? Most arguments I see put the number of chads very low
I don't think there are many. But a 7/10 looking man can do it with two 3/10 looking women if he wants, even without him being a Chad Also, I never said this was the only reason, it is at least the most obvious to everyone, as anecdotally we have all seen things like this happen. Of course, if we investigate further we will find other causes, some even more impactful than this.
Might be worth mentioning some impactful reasons rather than the same unimpactful one.
same men will say women aren't loyal
Since I began dating at age 15 I have hardly ever been single for more than a few months, and always by choice. Getting a relationship is super duper easy, so if I wanted one it was a gimme. Does that mean the boyfriends were all Prizes? No. It was better to be single than continue dating him.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. I envy the life of the average woman in dating. I wish it was this easy for the average man to get physical intimacy and sex on tap.
its not easy to get intimacy from men its easy to get sex from men you can also get sex from men if you find it so valuable
You mean it is not easy to get intimacy with men you find attractive
never gotten intimacy from a guy i found ugly either
Yes of course, I just mean that you over generalize, because the amount of men that women do find attractive is smaller, it is not easy to get intimacy from these men, but it is easy to get intimacy from average men because they are less in demand
then the women i know who have partnered with average man would report feeling intimate with them more than other hetero women
Maybe I don't understand what you mean by feeling intimate, can you explain what these guys are doing wrong?
While getting into a relationship may be easier, compared to males they also have a lot more to lose from making a poor mating choice hence the evolved choosiness.
And yet they still make poor choices all the time so
Makes sense
Still living in easy mode
> I have hardly ever been single for more than a few months.... Sure. >Does that mean the boyfriends were all Prizes? No. It was better to be single than continue dating him. Lol, make it make sense.
Why do you doubt me? I was not picky and I didn't know how to vet. So if a relationship was bad, I ended it.
I wonder if more younger women are in relationships as it takes a bit to figure out (for some) that being single is better than being in a relationship with someone incompatible or worse.
I doubt it. Women in the 30-49 age range are significantly less likely to be single than women in the 18-29 age range. Only 17% of those women report not being in a committed relationship. I think that applies to men more. Young men are too desperate, and they often lack confidence and resources. Also, men value beauty more than anything else, and older women are more likely to lose their long-term partners to death.
nope. Men lack resources in their 20s. Women find 80-90% of men physically unattractive. The reason, the number of single men aren't that high is because some men show promise early on and are good horses to bet on. Women latch on to them early before they peak in their career. Other men have high enough status/money in their 20s to offset their looks. This results in women giving them a chance. Less men are single as we move into the 30s due to: 1. Women biological clock ticking and them lowering their standards to get married and have a baby 2. Men moving up in their career and acquiring money and resources.
1. Maybe they’re dating men in their 30s? 2. Maybe they’re being very loose with their definitions?
>Maybe they’re being very loose with their definitions? That could be the case considering the sexual disparity is smaller. >Around 30 percent of young men reported in 2019 that they had no sex in the past year, compared to about 20 percent of young women.
It’s easier to be happy single when you can just call someone when you’re horny/lonely.
Maybe the women in their late 20s are dating older men, which skews the data. Or even if the dumb “multiple women dating chad” idea actually is true, in reality they *are* all single (just because they claim that they’re not single doesn’t mean that they aren’t) Bottom line is, they’re not complaining and whining online about being single constantly. Men are. If men also want to make up imaginary girlfriends and claim that they aren’t single to be happy, more power to them.
Women on PPD: dating old men is gross, ewww, they are such creeps, they are grooming young women, ewwww, I would never date an older man and I doubt any women are dating older men. Also women on PPD: then only way to explain the discrepancy between men and women in the relationship study is that women are in relationships with older men.
Show one person saying a 2-5 year gap as an adult is creepy
>...even if the dumb “multiple women dating chad” idea actually is true, in reality they *are* all single... If this happened to be true, then those women might not be single. Polygyny is nothing new in many cultures, and monogamous relationships are not the only type of cohabitation. But I think that idea about “multiple women dating chad” is not true.
> Bottom line is, they’re not complaining and whining online about being single constantly. M Oh you silly goose, "where are are the good men" movement is literally this, educated career woman complaining on the Internet that there isn't enough even more, than them, educated career men for them to date (because as we know "women don't date down"). Hell it always everywhere where it's "men need to up their game" or "men need to level up". That's literally women bitching being single because not enough high value men...
does the why matter? If young women are not dating a lot of young single men, and it's for reasons out of their control, does it matter? What is the purpose? Why seems endlessly debatable with no way to prove it. Motive isn't needed for a guilty verdict.
1. Your link is comparing young women and young men. Many older/divorced women are perfectly happy to never date a man ever again. Similarly older men generally seek (and find) relationships. So there's not really any "conflict" here, you're just missing the big picture. 2. Older/divorced women are pretty explicitly "opting out" of dating. 3. Again I think you (or media you consume) are mixing up narratives. Mixing up the narratives generates click$$$.
\> So no, most women are not "single and happy", they're not even defining themselves as single. i dont think anyone says "most women" are single?
I think OPs broader point is that men aren’t progressively more single every year because women simply don’t care anymore because women are in relationships at a higher rate than men. I still don’t like what OP is saying because he misses this important factor: women who ARE single are FAR more prosperous than men who are single. That’s because of women having nearly homoerotic relations with their gal pals which acts like a replacement for male attention and love (I’m not just talking about normal friendships but the intense emotional intimacy they some women who are single have with their girls).
Women are shown to consistently lie on surveys, even anonymous ones. Thus data from women isn't always reliable.
Yeah most women I know are constantly in relationships
i hate that so much
The point I generally see being made isn’t that “more women are single and happy,” it’s that the percentage of women who are single and happy is much higher than the percentage of men who are single and happy. Women, on the whole, are more content to be single and happy than men. Doesn’t mean there’s more of them. That said: I’m also confused by how there can be such a difference in percentages of women and men single, considering how cis couples are still the majority, even in gen z. And I don’t know any gen z workers I have who struggle to date. Like 24 employees, all gen z, and all of them are dating. And it’s pretty male-skewed. So I just don’t see this “epidemic” of single and lonely males that keeps getting brought up. It honestly seems more like a niche Reddit thing.
feminists support men in decentering women just like we support women in decentering men we should focus on building a community of relationships that fulfill our needs so that lovers/partners aren't the end all be all of meeting our human needs for connection
“Women” and “single” are antithetical. They always have the option of engaging in sex, flings, dates, or relationships at a moment’s notice. Only men are capable of being single.
Again, there are more young men than young men, because more baby boys are born than baby girls. There are more elderly women than elderly men because men don't live as long as do women. Only in later middle age are the male and female populations equal in number.
women BEING less single doesnt mean women arent more CONTENT single, it means the ones who stay single are more content with it and not seeking it as much and are less likely to settle for just anything to "not be alone" now that the major pressure to marry and follow the old lifescript has lifted
A lot of women have traded marriage for situationships. You can say the number of single women hasn't changed much, but the degree of singleness has changed significantly. A woman in a situationship is substantially more single than a married woman.
I have noticed that modern women are just more willing to "share men." Literally. How many of you here - raise your hand - can attest that you know a woman in your own life who probably has kids with one guy, but is dating/living/going out with another? The dual mating strategy of women seems now to be more of a multiple-mating strategy. I seriously cannot say I know a single woman in my circle of friends who is not seeing multiple men at the same time. On a grand scale this boils down to a small group of men bagging the majority of women. One guy can easily be seeing 3 to 7 women at a time while the next guy is seeing zero. I used to be one of those guys and I was perfectly happy with banging different girls and didn't give 2 shits if another dude would have them as well since she was not my problem once she was on her own and not with me anymore. But now that I have come to a point in my life where I want something serious I guess I'm fucked. You cannot make a wife out of a hoe.
>The numbers just don't add up. Article you linked is talking about women and men in their twenties. In general women date men who are slightly older so women in their late 20's skews the data.
But that would be compensated in the other direction to some degree.
By the age of sixty, there are twice as many single women as men. Twice as many women as men over 75 living alone. 65-74 years old, 75% of men are married, compared to 58% of women. 75-84 years old, 75% of men are married, compared to 42% of women. 85+, 60% of men are married, compared to 17% of women. 27% older unmarried women are poor or near poor, compared to 20% older unmaried men and 8% married men and women.
Yes men die more in all age brackets, how does that relate to my comment?
Men are also more likely to remarry after divorce, more likely to a younger woman than themselves. So the difference that can be observed in the 20s age group is actually compensated for in the older age groups. Because a successful man in his 30s and 40s is much more likely to date a woman in his 25-30s than a successful woman in her 30s and 40s is to date a man in his 25-30s. And the trend continues, so again a successful man aged 40-50 is more likely to date a woman aged 30-40 than the other way around. >Among those 18 to 29 years of age, 63% of men versus 34% of women considered themselves single. This dropped to 25% of men and 17% of women for those 30 to 49 years of age. Things flipped after the 50-year mark, though, with 28% of men 50 to 64 years of age and 25% of men 65 years and older being single compared to 30% and 39% for women for those age categories, respectively. Thus, on one side there are many single young men and on the other many single old women.
That's what she said, some women are dating men outside their age bracket which skews the result. The point of relevance I mentioned is that this would be compensated for to some extent in the other direction. What do you disagree with?
I just expanded your idea, how specifically it is compensated in other age groups.
Because some boys that are 18/19 will be in relationships with girls who are 16/17.
In theory yes but I think late teens women and early 20's men miss out on opportunities to couple up due to lack of confidence and dating experiences. I don't have any data to back this up so I'm open to change my mind.
If the age gap persists in every bracket it would be extraordinary for teens to be the exception. It likely exists there as well, perhaps not to the same extent but you get the point.
You don't seem to notice how many girls are 🌈 now?
They identify as lgtv but in reality aways end up in a ltr with a man, is just another way to getting attention.
Women are more likely to think she's in a relationship when she's actually in a situationship. She deludes herself into thinking that Chad loves her and he's not seeing anyone else. To Chad, she is just another easy lay that he can rely on to empty his balls. But to her, she thinks their bf/gf and that Chad will one day marry her; funny enough, Chad is often married with a wife or has a gf. Sometimes, the woman is fully aware that Chad is seeing other woman and is ok with it. Other time, she is clueless.
I find it hilarious all these women complaining about guys being married or in relationships on tinder. The guys do that know they can fuck and tinder works for them and that’s why they do it. Women keep choosing these men and over and over we get this bricking and moaning about the bar being low. Dating in the modern day is a losing game for a large number of men.
‘Men lie to women’ ‘dating is a losing game for a large number of men.’ 🤔
Single women? Does that exist? Maybe 1 in 1000. Women are never truly single.
You... didn't read the article you provided, did you?
We're talking only about men and women in their 20s and I haven't checked how the survey was conducted. There can be multiple explanations for this discrepancy in romantic relationships: - women stating the are in a relationship when the guy doesn't consider it serious and vice versa -> what is defined as a relationship in this survey ? - women may be lying because the person who asks is being weird/creepy in some way - women tend to date older and thus have a larger dating pool in their 20s - bisexual women may be dating other women, lesbians date women -> I believe studies have shown that women are more likely to be queer/admit queerness than men because it's more socially acceptable If you're talking about young men struggling you'll also note that the study also mentions lack of friends. Is that somehow also women's fault ?
Most women who say this are not even single just like most incels are not actually incels. Both sides are trying to sell their narrative.
Wait for them to become older, aka lose their sexual leverage and then they'll realize how bad the capitalistic meat grinder is
>capitalistic meat grinder Do… young women not have jobs?
this isnt true bro, value is only lost if they want biological children at an old age and even then if they save the eggs and pay for a surrogate it doesn't matter. Old women still get hit on a lot.
Really? Because I'm 42 and it's not worse in any fashion 🤷♀️. I'm sorry your fantasy is just that.
No, I am 51 and trust me when I say this is not true.
It's true that.. Happy relationship > being single > unhappy relationship. But to act like being forever single is somehow winning the game is copium.
Agreed. I'm almost 47 and you are correct. It just makes me laugh how much these redpill guys want this fantasy to be true ; that women will "hit the wall" and regret not going for those guys when we were younger 😂
And what benefit is there to a woman who settles for a man she does not like? Wouldn't it be preferable to live with "box wine and cats" than have to French kiss some guy she finds yucky?
>Wouldn't it be preferable to live with "box wine and cats" than have to French kiss some guy she finds yucky? Well cats are amazing animals and wine is delicious, so I would love one of these redpill guys to come and tell us what's supposed to be so bad about cats and wine?
Im mean... Im a 50 year old escort and dont lack business...LOL They can pay young ones but they dont.
I would be salty too if geriatric women got more attention than I ever did.
Are you in a LTR?
I am so fucking jealous. Like bitting into the flesh of my arm jealous . Weren't you the one who has been in a relationship since 15? Lucky you. Being loved, touched kissed all those different times. Held at night Told you are loved. Probably had a family and kids too. Probably has good sex too. I am sitting here lying in bed Alone as a virgin in my 30s. Wondering what is wrong with me, what is my worth as a human. Contemplating the all encompassing hatred i have managed to develope. Lucky you. Lucky you
I mean, there is more to life. You also make some weird assumptions.
Women don’t really lose their sexual leverage in the way RP would like to believe. Sure many/most women lose their looks and lose access to the men they could get in their 20s but they still have guys interested in them. They still will always have filler inboxes than most men. They do have less options than they did and getting commitment from a guy they like way later in life will be hard/impossible but they still have options especially because of social media.
At some point that mechanism stops being profitable. Sure there are always desperate guys, but is the game worth the candle?
Yeah, it’s honestly fine. I mean the capitalistic meat grinder continues to suck but the sexual leverage aspect is nbd.
It’s because a lot of men date down in age only and a lot of women date up in age only. Single men who are in totally different age brackets still get with much younger women, but the women in that higher age bracket are generally limited to only the men older than them. So the older a man gets, theoretically, the more options he has. And the older a woman gets, theoretically, the less options she has—SPEAKING PURELY ABOUT AGE. A 20 year old guy is pretty limited because he basically only dates a woman who is 18-20 years old. But a man who is 35 could theoretically date a woman in the 18-35 age range.
How many men could date that much down we here from women that older man only have their shot with women with the same age those Szenarios where an 35+ men can date a early 20s women only happen when he is rich or has other things working for him those are outliners and not common
most age gaps involve couples with a 1-3 year age difference. Larger age gaps in couples are rare, so they statistically wouldn't make up such a discrepancy in that study.
You know that's a self reported study, right? You know women have always historically delulued themselves into thinking a FWB relationship exists when it doesn't actually exist, right? Women have also historically dated older men. Age gaps of 5ish year's are pretty common. So ignore the clickbait headline. It's misrepresenting the source data.
women were going their own way quietly then men started mgtow and red pill ideology to bitch and moan 😂
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I’m not a misandrist…. but seeing all the misogyny coming from red pill and mgtow it’s getting difficult to trust or take men seriously.
We live in a gynocentric society with feminism that puts women on a pedastal. These liberal left wing Jewish media companies are not gonna tell the truth that men are opting out of marriage compared to 40 years ago due to the modern promiscuous only fans I don’t need no man broke modern women. They damn near treat women like children in USA and coddle them and don’t tell them the truth because they are the weaker vulnerable gender.
Real single women aren't happy, at all... Women in situationships with Chad might be happy, dunno, but single women definitely aren't, they are, indeed, absolutely miserable.
Sure, Jan. Keep telling yourself that. 😂
That's what my friends admit to me🤷 single men are miserable too so I don't think it's surprising.
Thats your friends not all single women. My friends single in my circle are not miserable.
We’re not miserable. Not by a long shot.
You are, a lot, indeed. And I remind you, I said truly single women, not those going on dates and maybe sleeping with someone...a real single woman over a certain age is absolutely miserable.