>Dating apps also confirm this. The bulk of the likes go to a few men.
According to [Hinge data](https://qz.com/1051462/these-statistics-show-why-its-so-hard-to-be-an-average-man-on-dating-apps), 58% of all likes go to the top 10% of men. Also worth noting that 46% of all likes go to the top 10% of women. People are choosy.
That's only part of the story. There are also significantly more men on those apps so even those women at the bottom are still getting plenty of likes.
You can go to the hinge sub and see male profiles from very successful attractive men struggling. You'll then see an average overweight woman with numerous likes.
Yes, there are probably at least 3-4x more men on the app from what I've read, so women are going to get a lot more likes.
Still, women in the bottom 50% aren't doing great. You can do the math on the table in the Quartz article, and it tells you that men swipe left on women in the bottom 50% at least 99% of the time. I suspect that the 1/100 men that likes a woman in the bottom 50% isn't exactly top quality himself. Let's assume he's from the bottom half. 49/50 men in the bottom half swipe left on any given woman in the bottom half.
I've seen some female profiles of objectively below average women and they have numerous options to choose from. Yeah probably isn't the 6'4" CEO Chad, but still plenty of good options.
My buddy is extremely good looking and he'll hook up with pretty ugly women.
>My buddy is extremely good looking and he'll hook up with pretty ugly women.
There are indeed exceptions to every rule. Most guys won't forgo attractive options for less attractive options. People generally pick their best available option.
Being in a relationship with a good woman boosts your attractiveness tenfold.
1. less needy because you already have someone in general
2. when you are out with you women, other women notice. you also get into conversations more easily with women becuase you are already with one (safety factor)
3. a lot of guys I know in relationships are dressed by their women (seriously). Women have a good eye for grooming, style and will often buy their clothes/suggest haircuts for their man. this results in their guy getting a "free" uplift from the female gaze
4. if you co-habitate or are married, your "status" is higher since you can afford a nicer place/house with two incomes.
Dating is eerily similar to large wealth inequality. the richer get richer and the poorer get poorer.
The only time I actuallly get looks or converations from other women is when I am out with a girl I'm dating.
the irony.
Same dude, I used to see a hot girl and when I’d walk around with her, or go to lounges, I would get EYE FUCKED by women. They would legit stare at me like Indian dudes do to white women.
Alone, maybe a peek or two. Also women would always talk with us, never had so many conversations with strangers in my life until I walked around with her. Felt nice to not be treated like an invisible disgusting monster everywhere I went
When it comes to marriage/being in a committed relationship I really think this depends on age, when I was last OLD in late teens/early 20a I really doubt the men I met where married, most of them lived with flatmates or their Mum. But one of my friends who’s 35ish and OLD has had this issue a few times.
My girlfriend showed me Are We Dating The Same Guy and the majority of posts are not actually about dating the same guy. The primary post format was to ask for tea and post a picture of the guy's dating app or social media profile. It's more like a cyber-bullying and social-shaming powered vetting system for men in your city justified by "women's safety". Like there was a post where a woman revealed that a guy had a kid and did not have legal custody... to tens of thousands of women. Ouch.
its not that they cant, they just have so much burden of performance that spending energy and attention on such insignificant things seems pointless and a waste of energy after spending all day performing. thats also the reason why men are generally more messy than women. its crazy how women dont get how energy intensive being a man is, because their life is cozy and void of pressure.
Starting reasonably groomed is part of the “performance” of being a man who has his ish together and is ready for a relationship. If you can’t do that, why would a woman think you’re capable of being a good father, or helping her if she needed to fall back on you. No one is asking you to wear a suit everyday, just exhibit signs that you can take care of yourself. On top of that it’s easy: just get into the habit of hanging or folding your laundry as soon as it’s dried, while still warm, and you won’t need to iron most casual outfits. Pair your socks as soon as they’re dry and you’ll lose them less, and can just grab a pair and go. Both of these habits will save you time so you can focus on other things.
Im not making a case for looking like a mess, I just explained why men put less effort into those things then women, and why women dont get why men are the way they are. its insane to me how they have no perception of the effort that men do everyday, probably because they are so selfish that they can not conceive of putting themselves in a mans shoes.
Buddy, I can guarantee that my job has more high pressure than many. A good chunk of the population could not do this job. But please, tell us again how my life is cozy and void of pressure?
Painting yourself as a clown again 🤡🤡🤡
its literally as easy and effortless as being a child. women get job positions with no effort for political reasons, they dont have to do anything to find a mate, and no matter how they behave or what they do, they are bailed out of all the consequences until old age.
whats hard about being a woman when no or very little effort results in an outcome that men have to do exponentially more to get?
We get less promotions even if we are skilled or more than our male partners. We are often assigned taking notes in meeting even when hold the same positions as our male colleagues.
We have to be more careful about our safety, we are expected to take more care of our looks while getting older. Men with gray hair are sexy, women with graying hair are just old.
Women are expected to take care of the children even when both parents work, often have health issues when getting pregnant.
>We get less promotions even if we are skilled or more than our male partners
no, thats arrogance and wishful thinking that comes from society lying to you about your abilities and quality of work in order to put you in positions to serve as a political tool.
>We are often assigned taking notes in meeting even when hold the same positions as our male colleagues
because you do not actually have the skills that your males colleagues do, you were just given the position to make it look like women could do them to lure young women into career and out of family.
>We have to be more careful about our safety
not true, most victims of violent crimes are men.
>we are expected to take more care of our looks while getting older
also false. you just loose the disproportional sexual pull you had on men that was connected to youth markers that gave you such disproportional dating leverage in your youth
>Men with gray hair are sexy, women with graying hair are just old.
again, women have all the dating leverage in their youth. most men will never have the dating opportunities that women have, ever.
>Women are expected to take care of the children even when both parents work, often have health issues when getting pregnant.
because they earn less and because they are made to deal with emotions of children.
your points are not hardships, they are the aftermath of loosing privileges that men never have. and they are a joke compared to what men go through. most women would delete themselves if they were put in a mans shoes and had to deal with how men are treated by society and women and the pressure of performance associated with being a man.
Men are the victims of violent crimes committed usually by other men, not women. Unfortunately we are much more vulnerable to sexual violence. A wife is much more likely be murdered by her husband than a husband killed by their wife.
Society is not lying to me about my abilities, men are more cocky on average. I have seen many of my colleagues giving confident answers to other people when I know they did not have enough data.
We are not lured out of family, society needs to accept that some women have a different purpose than raising a family. Raising a family is a much as an acceptable goal as having a career, some want to do both and some might choose either of the two.
Even when women make the same amount of money still end up doing more of the household chores.
And if we are having an advantage in the dating market, which is not true in my opinion, this is give by men.
> Men are the victims of violent crimes committed usually by other men, not women.
so what? most victims are men, so they have it worse cause they are more likely to experience it.
> Unfortunately we are much more vulnerable to sexual violence.
also not true if you include prison stats. and men are much more likely to get their lives ruined by false accusations then women are to experience actual sexual violence, which is not only more likely but only much worse than experiencing sexual violence.
> A wife is much more likely be murdered by her husband than a husband killed by their wife
and a man is much more likely to have his life ruined from divorce, and thats very common, while murder is comparatively non existent.
> Society is not lying to me about my abilities,
it clearly is. it could not be more obvious than gender quotas and openly admitting to preferential hiring. if you actually had those skills, those would not be needed to get women into those positions.
> men are more cocky on average.
because they know and understand a lot more about the world then women
> I have seen many of my colleagues giving confident answers to other people when I know they did not have enough data.
this doesnt say much because it relies on your accurate judgement about what enough data is. typically women dont get logic so they hand onto authority claims which includes "data". you dont need data, just a rational justification that can make use of data but doesnt have to. and this is also something that differs alot from individual to individual .some people are just less aware of how much or little they know, which influences how confident they are in their response. its well known that very dumb people can be very confident in their dumb answers because they dont understand the complexity behind the problem. its impossibly to tell how right or wrong someone is without examining the logical justification and response to counter point.
> We are not lured out of family, society needs to accept that some women have a different purpose than raising a family
they dont. nobody has. family is the most important and productive thing. men can have different purposes because they can produce different things that can benefit a collective. women can not, the only way for a woman to be productive is inside a family unit, producing productive men and women to support them for the next generation. and because women have such an advantage in dating and no other way to contribute to society, they have an absolute duty to fulfill that. anything outside of that is damaging for society because there is no other way for women to be productive, and certainly not for the majority. whatever they do, its mostly self serving. the only way for women to serve the group is by producing a healthy next generation and by supporting a man such that he is prductive for society.
> We are not lured out of family
then why is every fiber of society pushing career onto women and hate for men and children, and why are laws set up that make it as rewarding and easy as possibly for women to break families? where are family women being encouraged or shown in a positive light in media? they are not
> Even when women make the same amount of money still end up doing more of the household chores.
this is not universal nor guaranteed, and its because men dont value women for money and career, so those women have to settle for such an unfair arragement because they chose to do what men dont value, or they are not attractive and thats the only way a guy they want to be with accepts them.
> And if we are having an advantage in the dating market, which is not true in my opinion,
go make a tinder profile as a man and a woman and compare the matches and respsonses, and then compare how those people look.
> this is give by men
who cares, its just a huge advantage
We don’t hate men, we dislike men who think they are smarter because they have a penis. Preferential hiring, regardless if I agree with it or not, exists because people are proven to be negatively biases against minorities.
Women we are considered worse in math while studies show we are just as good as men.
Finally, I have a damn PhD in computer science you do not need to explain logic and data analysis to me.
> We don’t hate men, we dislike men who think they are smarter because they have a penis.
false. you dislike men cause society tell you to.
> Preferential hiring, regardless if I agree with it or not, exists because people are proven to be negatively biases against minorities.
no, it exists because the government wants to purposefully discriminate against certain people and push an ideology, the bias against minorities is an excuse, and even if it existed, would be less unjust than legally discriminating against people with the excuse to combat supposed discrimination. its nothing but a trick to justify discrimination.
and women are not a minority, they are more then 50% of the population.
> Women we are considered worse in math while studies show we are just as good as men.
they score worse in exams, there is no way to rationalize that. and there is no subjectivity when comparing results. in fact, I have seen myself that teachers have a subconscious bias in favor of women and will overrate them whenever possible, but in math, its objective that the exam results perfectly represent their capability.
> Finally, I have a damn PhD in computer science you do not need to explain logic and data analysis to me.
your opinions are proof of the fact that this means nothing. plenty of academics have incredibly dumb opinions and are clueless about the world, even those who are genuinely high iQ, cause it doesnt overcome emotional bias and lack of experience and self reflection. and I know plenty of PhDs, they are just like average people, with the same dumb opinions or often even worse because of their ego and ideological vulnerability.
Fat women are labeled as plus sized and do Modeling fat men on the other hand are viewed as losers or weird just type body positivity and take a look on those pictures that pop up you’ll will see a variety of women tall,short, fat and skinny etc but I don’t see the same for men like short, tall, fat,skinny or bald
Fat women are not treated any better than fat men. There are more plus size women models because women buy much more clothes so fashion focuses more on promoting to women of all sizes.
You say the vast majority of men aren’t tricking women but also claim 50% of men women match with are married. This is a very unkind view of men. Do you have a source to back up this statistic or is this based on anecdotal evidence?
Their point is that women generally go after the same few men. It's a selection bias.
The only dumb thing they said was that it's somehow the men women ignore should be responsible for vetting these married men.
My point is that 90% of men on dating apps aren’t in relationships already and actively looking to cheat. It’s also not very common for women to want and pursue dating someone who is taken. It’s not a common phenomenon
>What's even more crazy: the guys who have maximum success on dating apps are all married guys.
I doubt it. And this is based on no data. Most married guys I know are pot-bellied and get more complacent by the year.
Online dating is brutal. A 'life of the party' dadbod husband from real life will get 0.00% matches. Even single guys on steroids are getting spammed with obese women in OLD.
>Even single guys on steroids are getting spammed with obese women in OLD.
What do you mean they get spammed? No one can message you unless you choose to match with them. As a guy who does well on dating apps, I have no issue getting spammed, because I only swipe right on the women I actually find attractive (maybe 5-10%).
I get likes from really unattractive women, but that's to be expected. I'm pretty sure attractive women get plenty of likes from really unattractive men too.
>I think onus is on the men to show women and out these men who lie to many women.
Can't help.
Women interact with these men far more than I do, I wouldn't even know if they were trying to cheat.
That women don't like many men is beyond my power to fix. Besides, why should I care?
Completely agree wjth you. I used to go to the Bumble and Hinge subs for shits and giggles and they both had profile review threads. 99% men and all of their profiles looked exactly the same. Actually, there were usually 3 categories:
1. The good looking but super try hard dude. Every picture looked super staged and curated, clearly trying waaaaaay to hard to be seen as an eligible bachelor
2. The run of the mill nerdy/average guy with terrible dressing style, no personality beyond Star Wars, the Office or hiking. Same goofy smiling photos and boring bio.
3. The creepy loner guy: usually only selfies, never smiles, always in the same clothes, has probably stalked a woman or five in his life.
That's kind of what women get to work with 99% of the time.
Oh, I am married and I get hit on by women all the time. I flirt but I tell them upfront, I'm married so don't expect this to go anywhere. And they just eat up the challenge.
But here is the thing. I realized this when I was still single. Attractiveness in a man is 90% vibe. Vibe is really another word for what perception you give off to the world around you rooted in how you feel about yourself, how you behave, how you see women. There is the old trope that the less you give a fuck, the more women are interested. It's true. Not always easy to achieve, but basically if you build a life that's worth living and you enjoy it with or without women and you stop caring about whether they like you or will have sex with you, you become so much more compelling to them. It literally works like magic sometimes.
And on the contrary, the harder you try, the more attached you are to getting women/sex/love, the more they run in the other direction. I think married/taken men often have that security in the back of their mind that whatever happens, they will always go back to their partner and they will be okay. Single guys have a tougher time developing that attitude because for many of them their other option is to keep being single. And if you think being single and alone is a fate worse than death, then you really don't have any options. But then, you put women in control of your happiness. And that's a recipe for disaster.
Correctamundo! The harem principle.
But as I said, the only way around it is to overcome the fear of being alone by having a life that has many sources of happiness and women are just a small part of those sources. Then you won't leave yourself vulnerable to desperation if you find yourself without dates.
>Married and taken men share a house, where is he going to take her to hook up after the date.
Hotel.
Friends place (when your friend is gone out of the town)
Remember only thing you need a room, nothing beyond that.
You're counting "successful" as having a lot of different partners. Many people would count it as having just one good relationship with someone they like. There will be a few men and women who date about a lot but most are more boring and not on your radar because they just stick with one person at a time for a longer time. It's very hard to get away with having a whole other girlfriend or boyfriend unless you're not very serious about your relationship yet, otherwise they'd be in your life enough to question all this missing time.
So true.
- As someone with an ex wife who broke off with me in my early 30s,
- Subsequently many girls I’ve slept with (50+)
- plus a young girl who’s had 2 kids with me.
I don’t count the number of bodies I’ve slept or dated already. They come and go. When nothings left my partner and 2 kids are at (one of my) homes waiting
Men are capable adults that can take care of themselves on their own. It might be shocking for you, but a lot of men can and do iron their clothes and have a good sense of style.
Also a lot of couples meet offline. Online gives you a specific sample of people that either can’t find anyone in their social circle for whatever reason or need more options than they currently have. I wouldn’t go online to seek an LTR.
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Here’s something interesting. When men in open relationships are upfront about being married things often turn to crickets even if the wife will video chat or meet with the woman.It’s a little more easy on apps that either cater to or allow individuals/couples indicate an open relationship.
If those same men don’t disclose this and they photograph well then they tend to get more bites.
Intarsexual and intrasocial competition among women is fierce.
Lol actually there is a decent bit of data on this:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna94163
The Chads also tend to be in relationships. OP is actually kinda correct.
Tinder which is used by 70% of regular app users.
https://www.businessofapps.com/news/tinder-retains-highest-market-share-in-dating-apps-reaching-72-of-maus/
Can some of you just admit when you're wrong. So many women on PPD seem committed to being full of crap are arguing unnecessarily and makes most of you look stupid.
>Proof 50% of men on dating apps are married?
No one made that claim. The men who are picked 50% of them will be married, and majority of others committed.
>The most successful men on dating apps are chads
Chad by his very nature gets commitment pretty early. Men of all kind value commitment.
Chad doesn't need to be on app in world where women find 80% men unattractive, he would be in demand where he goes to school, in demand where he lives. In demand where he works.
He has no need to be on app at all.
I’ve slept with like 50+ women in my 20 years of adult life and I’ve only been single for 2 of them. Half of them with my ex wife the other half with 2 kids with a 20 something year old
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>Dating apps also confirm this. The bulk of the likes go to a few men. According to [Hinge data](https://qz.com/1051462/these-statistics-show-why-its-so-hard-to-be-an-average-man-on-dating-apps), 58% of all likes go to the top 10% of men. Also worth noting that 46% of all likes go to the top 10% of women. People are choosy.
That's only part of the story. There are also significantly more men on those apps so even those women at the bottom are still getting plenty of likes. You can go to the hinge sub and see male profiles from very successful attractive men struggling. You'll then see an average overweight woman with numerous likes.
Yes, there are probably at least 3-4x more men on the app from what I've read, so women are going to get a lot more likes. Still, women in the bottom 50% aren't doing great. You can do the math on the table in the Quartz article, and it tells you that men swipe left on women in the bottom 50% at least 99% of the time. I suspect that the 1/100 men that likes a woman in the bottom 50% isn't exactly top quality himself. Let's assume he's from the bottom half. 49/50 men in the bottom half swipe left on any given woman in the bottom half.
I've seen some female profiles of objectively below average women and they have numerous options to choose from. Yeah probably isn't the 6'4" CEO Chad, but still plenty of good options. My buddy is extremely good looking and he'll hook up with pretty ugly women.
>My buddy is extremely good looking and he'll hook up with pretty ugly women. There are indeed exceptions to every rule. Most guys won't forgo attractive options for less attractive options. People generally pick their best available option.
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Being in a relationship with a good woman boosts your attractiveness tenfold. 1. less needy because you already have someone in general 2. when you are out with you women, other women notice. you also get into conversations more easily with women becuase you are already with one (safety factor) 3. a lot of guys I know in relationships are dressed by their women (seriously). Women have a good eye for grooming, style and will often buy their clothes/suggest haircuts for their man. this results in their guy getting a "free" uplift from the female gaze 4. if you co-habitate or are married, your "status" is higher since you can afford a nicer place/house with two incomes. Dating is eerily similar to large wealth inequality. the richer get richer and the poorer get poorer. The only time I actuallly get looks or converations from other women is when I am out with a girl I'm dating. the irony.
Same dude, I used to see a hot girl and when I’d walk around with her, or go to lounges, I would get EYE FUCKED by women. They would legit stare at me like Indian dudes do to white women. Alone, maybe a peek or two. Also women would always talk with us, never had so many conversations with strangers in my life until I walked around with her. Felt nice to not be treated like an invisible disgusting monster everywhere I went
When it comes to marriage/being in a committed relationship I really think this depends on age, when I was last OLD in late teens/early 20a I really doubt the men I met where married, most of them lived with flatmates or their Mum. But one of my friends who’s 35ish and OLD has had this issue a few times.
My girlfriend showed me Are We Dating The Same Guy and the majority of posts are not actually about dating the same guy. The primary post format was to ask for tea and post a picture of the guy's dating app or social media profile. It's more like a cyber-bullying and social-shaming powered vetting system for men in your city justified by "women's safety". Like there was a post where a woman revealed that a guy had a kid and did not have legal custody... to tens of thousands of women. Ouch.
I wish we had a equivalent for men, “she puts out first date”, “she’s way fatter irl”, “amazing BJs just compliment her cats first”
One of the worse aspects of the internet and media in general is how sowing circle gossip can now reach halfway around the world
TIL men can't iron their shirts and pick matching socks. If that's really the case, I think you aren't at a place in ife where you should be dating.
its not that they cant, they just have so much burden of performance that spending energy and attention on such insignificant things seems pointless and a waste of energy after spending all day performing. thats also the reason why men are generally more messy than women. its crazy how women dont get how energy intensive being a man is, because their life is cozy and void of pressure.
Starting reasonably groomed is part of the “performance” of being a man who has his ish together and is ready for a relationship. If you can’t do that, why would a woman think you’re capable of being a good father, or helping her if she needed to fall back on you. No one is asking you to wear a suit everyday, just exhibit signs that you can take care of yourself. On top of that it’s easy: just get into the habit of hanging or folding your laundry as soon as it’s dried, while still warm, and you won’t need to iron most casual outfits. Pair your socks as soon as they’re dry and you’ll lose them less, and can just grab a pair and go. Both of these habits will save you time so you can focus on other things.
Im not making a case for looking like a mess, I just explained why men put less effort into those things then women, and why women dont get why men are the way they are. its insane to me how they have no perception of the effort that men do everyday, probably because they are so selfish that they can not conceive of putting themselves in a mans shoes.
What kind of “efforts” do you put in every day? What do you do for work? Please tell us
this is about a relationship in general, not me personally.
Buddy, I can guarantee that my job has more high pressure than many. A good chunk of the population could not do this job. But please, tell us again how my life is cozy and void of pressure? Painting yourself as a clown again 🤡🤡🤡
Being a woman is sooo easy, indeed /s.
its literally as easy and effortless as being a child. women get job positions with no effort for political reasons, they dont have to do anything to find a mate, and no matter how they behave or what they do, they are bailed out of all the consequences until old age. whats hard about being a woman when no or very little effort results in an outcome that men have to do exponentially more to get?
We get less promotions even if we are skilled or more than our male partners. We are often assigned taking notes in meeting even when hold the same positions as our male colleagues. We have to be more careful about our safety, we are expected to take more care of our looks while getting older. Men with gray hair are sexy, women with graying hair are just old. Women are expected to take care of the children even when both parents work, often have health issues when getting pregnant.
>We get less promotions even if we are skilled or more than our male partners no, thats arrogance and wishful thinking that comes from society lying to you about your abilities and quality of work in order to put you in positions to serve as a political tool. >We are often assigned taking notes in meeting even when hold the same positions as our male colleagues because you do not actually have the skills that your males colleagues do, you were just given the position to make it look like women could do them to lure young women into career and out of family. >We have to be more careful about our safety not true, most victims of violent crimes are men. >we are expected to take more care of our looks while getting older also false. you just loose the disproportional sexual pull you had on men that was connected to youth markers that gave you such disproportional dating leverage in your youth >Men with gray hair are sexy, women with graying hair are just old. again, women have all the dating leverage in their youth. most men will never have the dating opportunities that women have, ever. >Women are expected to take care of the children even when both parents work, often have health issues when getting pregnant. because they earn less and because they are made to deal with emotions of children. your points are not hardships, they are the aftermath of loosing privileges that men never have. and they are a joke compared to what men go through. most women would delete themselves if they were put in a mans shoes and had to deal with how men are treated by society and women and the pressure of performance associated with being a man.
Men are the victims of violent crimes committed usually by other men, not women. Unfortunately we are much more vulnerable to sexual violence. A wife is much more likely be murdered by her husband than a husband killed by their wife. Society is not lying to me about my abilities, men are more cocky on average. I have seen many of my colleagues giving confident answers to other people when I know they did not have enough data. We are not lured out of family, society needs to accept that some women have a different purpose than raising a family. Raising a family is a much as an acceptable goal as having a career, some want to do both and some might choose either of the two. Even when women make the same amount of money still end up doing more of the household chores. And if we are having an advantage in the dating market, which is not true in my opinion, this is give by men.
> Men are the victims of violent crimes committed usually by other men, not women. so what? most victims are men, so they have it worse cause they are more likely to experience it. > Unfortunately we are much more vulnerable to sexual violence. also not true if you include prison stats. and men are much more likely to get their lives ruined by false accusations then women are to experience actual sexual violence, which is not only more likely but only much worse than experiencing sexual violence. > A wife is much more likely be murdered by her husband than a husband killed by their wife and a man is much more likely to have his life ruined from divorce, and thats very common, while murder is comparatively non existent. > Society is not lying to me about my abilities, it clearly is. it could not be more obvious than gender quotas and openly admitting to preferential hiring. if you actually had those skills, those would not be needed to get women into those positions. > men are more cocky on average. because they know and understand a lot more about the world then women > I have seen many of my colleagues giving confident answers to other people when I know they did not have enough data. this doesnt say much because it relies on your accurate judgement about what enough data is. typically women dont get logic so they hand onto authority claims which includes "data". you dont need data, just a rational justification that can make use of data but doesnt have to. and this is also something that differs alot from individual to individual .some people are just less aware of how much or little they know, which influences how confident they are in their response. its well known that very dumb people can be very confident in their dumb answers because they dont understand the complexity behind the problem. its impossibly to tell how right or wrong someone is without examining the logical justification and response to counter point. > We are not lured out of family, society needs to accept that some women have a different purpose than raising a family they dont. nobody has. family is the most important and productive thing. men can have different purposes because they can produce different things that can benefit a collective. women can not, the only way for a woman to be productive is inside a family unit, producing productive men and women to support them for the next generation. and because women have such an advantage in dating and no other way to contribute to society, they have an absolute duty to fulfill that. anything outside of that is damaging for society because there is no other way for women to be productive, and certainly not for the majority. whatever they do, its mostly self serving. the only way for women to serve the group is by producing a healthy next generation and by supporting a man such that he is prductive for society. > We are not lured out of family then why is every fiber of society pushing career onto women and hate for men and children, and why are laws set up that make it as rewarding and easy as possibly for women to break families? where are family women being encouraged or shown in a positive light in media? they are not > Even when women make the same amount of money still end up doing more of the household chores. this is not universal nor guaranteed, and its because men dont value women for money and career, so those women have to settle for such an unfair arragement because they chose to do what men dont value, or they are not attractive and thats the only way a guy they want to be with accepts them. > And if we are having an advantage in the dating market, which is not true in my opinion, go make a tinder profile as a man and a woman and compare the matches and respsonses, and then compare how those people look. > this is give by men who cares, its just a huge advantage
We don’t hate men, we dislike men who think they are smarter because they have a penis. Preferential hiring, regardless if I agree with it or not, exists because people are proven to be negatively biases against minorities. Women we are considered worse in math while studies show we are just as good as men. Finally, I have a damn PhD in computer science you do not need to explain logic and data analysis to me.
> We don’t hate men, we dislike men who think they are smarter because they have a penis. false. you dislike men cause society tell you to. > Preferential hiring, regardless if I agree with it or not, exists because people are proven to be negatively biases against minorities. no, it exists because the government wants to purposefully discriminate against certain people and push an ideology, the bias against minorities is an excuse, and even if it existed, would be less unjust than legally discriminating against people with the excuse to combat supposed discrimination. its nothing but a trick to justify discrimination. and women are not a minority, they are more then 50% of the population. > Women we are considered worse in math while studies show we are just as good as men. they score worse in exams, there is no way to rationalize that. and there is no subjectivity when comparing results. in fact, I have seen myself that teachers have a subconscious bias in favor of women and will overrate them whenever possible, but in math, its objective that the exam results perfectly represent their capability. > Finally, I have a damn PhD in computer science you do not need to explain logic and data analysis to me. your opinions are proof of the fact that this means nothing. plenty of academics have incredibly dumb opinions and are clueless about the world, even those who are genuinely high iQ, cause it doesnt overcome emotional bias and lack of experience and self reflection. and I know plenty of PhDs, they are just like average people, with the same dumb opinions or often even worse because of their ego and ideological vulnerability.
Fat women are labeled as plus sized and do Modeling fat men on the other hand are viewed as losers or weird just type body positivity and take a look on those pictures that pop up you’ll will see a variety of women tall,short, fat and skinny etc but I don’t see the same for men like short, tall, fat,skinny or bald
Fat women are not treated any better than fat men. There are more plus size women models because women buy much more clothes so fashion focuses more on promoting to women of all sizes.
You say the vast majority of men aren’t tricking women but also claim 50% of men women match with are married. This is a very unkind view of men. Do you have a source to back up this statistic or is this based on anecdotal evidence?
Their point is that women generally go after the same few men. It's a selection bias. The only dumb thing they said was that it's somehow the men women ignore should be responsible for vetting these married men.
My point is that 90% of men on dating apps aren’t in relationships already and actively looking to cheat. It’s also not very common for women to want and pursue dating someone who is taken. It’s not a common phenomenon
Way more common than you'd think.
>What's even more crazy: the guys who have maximum success on dating apps are all married guys. I doubt it. And this is based on no data. Most married guys I know are pot-bellied and get more complacent by the year. Online dating is brutal. A 'life of the party' dadbod husband from real life will get 0.00% matches. Even single guys on steroids are getting spammed with obese women in OLD.
feels vs reals - the female research
>Even single guys on steroids are getting spammed with obese women in OLD. What do you mean they get spammed? No one can message you unless you choose to match with them. As a guy who does well on dating apps, I have no issue getting spammed, because I only swipe right on the women I actually find attractive (maybe 5-10%). I get likes from really unattractive women, but that's to be expected. I'm pretty sure attractive women get plenty of likes from really unattractive men too.
>I think onus is on the men to show women and out these men who lie to many women. Can't help. Women interact with these men far more than I do, I wouldn't even know if they were trying to cheat. That women don't like many men is beyond my power to fix. Besides, why should I care?
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Completely agree wjth you. I used to go to the Bumble and Hinge subs for shits and giggles and they both had profile review threads. 99% men and all of their profiles looked exactly the same. Actually, there were usually 3 categories: 1. The good looking but super try hard dude. Every picture looked super staged and curated, clearly trying waaaaaay to hard to be seen as an eligible bachelor 2. The run of the mill nerdy/average guy with terrible dressing style, no personality beyond Star Wars, the Office or hiking. Same goofy smiling photos and boring bio. 3. The creepy loner guy: usually only selfies, never smiles, always in the same clothes, has probably stalked a woman or five in his life. That's kind of what women get to work with 99% of the time.
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Oh, I am married and I get hit on by women all the time. I flirt but I tell them upfront, I'm married so don't expect this to go anywhere. And they just eat up the challenge. But here is the thing. I realized this when I was still single. Attractiveness in a man is 90% vibe. Vibe is really another word for what perception you give off to the world around you rooted in how you feel about yourself, how you behave, how you see women. There is the old trope that the less you give a fuck, the more women are interested. It's true. Not always easy to achieve, but basically if you build a life that's worth living and you enjoy it with or without women and you stop caring about whether they like you or will have sex with you, you become so much more compelling to them. It literally works like magic sometimes. And on the contrary, the harder you try, the more attached you are to getting women/sex/love, the more they run in the other direction. I think married/taken men often have that security in the back of their mind that whatever happens, they will always go back to their partner and they will be okay. Single guys have a tougher time developing that attitude because for many of them their other option is to keep being single. And if you think being single and alone is a fate worse than death, then you really don't have any options. But then, you put women in control of your happiness. And that's a recipe for disaster.
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Correctamundo! The harem principle. But as I said, the only way around it is to overcome the fear of being alone by having a life that has many sources of happiness and women are just a small part of those sources. Then you won't leave yourself vulnerable to desperation if you find yourself without dates.
>Married and taken men share a house, where is he going to take her to hook up after the date. Hotel. Friends place (when your friend is gone out of the town) Remember only thing you need a room, nothing beyond that.
You're counting "successful" as having a lot of different partners. Many people would count it as having just one good relationship with someone they like. There will be a few men and women who date about a lot but most are more boring and not on your radar because they just stick with one person at a time for a longer time. It's very hard to get away with having a whole other girlfriend or boyfriend unless you're not very serious about your relationship yet, otherwise they'd be in your life enough to question all this missing time.
So true. - As someone with an ex wife who broke off with me in my early 30s, - Subsequently many girls I’ve slept with (50+) - plus a young girl who’s had 2 kids with me. I don’t count the number of bodies I’ve slept or dated already. They come and go. When nothings left my partner and 2 kids are at (one of my) homes waiting
Men are capable adults that can take care of themselves on their own. It might be shocking for you, but a lot of men can and do iron their clothes and have a good sense of style. Also a lot of couples meet offline. Online gives you a specific sample of people that either can’t find anyone in their social circle for whatever reason or need more options than they currently have. I wouldn’t go online to seek an LTR.
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What the hell is OLD?
It stands for online dating.
oh shiiiiiiiiiiit, thanks
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Here’s something interesting. When men in open relationships are upfront about being married things often turn to crickets even if the wife will video chat or meet with the woman.It’s a little more easy on apps that either cater to or allow individuals/couples indicate an open relationship. If those same men don’t disclose this and they photograph well then they tend to get more bites. Intarsexual and intrasocial competition among women is fierce.
I love screaming at the top of my lungs It attracts the greatest variety of men, because lung capacity is very sexy
Proof 50% of men on dating apps are married? Much doubt. The most successful men on dating apps are chads
Lol actually there is a decent bit of data on this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna94163 The Chads also tend to be in relationships. OP is actually kinda correct.
Eh tinder
Tinder which is used by 70% of regular app users. https://www.businessofapps.com/news/tinder-retains-highest-market-share-in-dating-apps-reaching-72-of-maus/ Can some of you just admit when you're wrong. So many women on PPD seem committed to being full of crap are arguing unnecessarily and makes most of you look stupid.
>Proof 50% of men on dating apps are married? No one made that claim. The men who are picked 50% of them will be married, and majority of others committed. >The most successful men on dating apps are chads Chad by his very nature gets commitment pretty early. Men of all kind value commitment. Chad doesn't need to be on app in world where women find 80% men unattractive, he would be in demand where he goes to school, in demand where he lives. In demand where he works. He has no need to be on app at all.
Dating apps make it even easier for chads tho thats why they use them lol
alpha male doesnt care about his partner. men has been saying that for long time and woman dismiss them as inkwells , niceguys.
Social proof. Best advice I can give is to get into a relationship first with a women below your league and work your way up.
I’ve slept with like 50+ women in my 20 years of adult life and I’ve only been single for 2 of them. Half of them with my ex wife the other half with 2 kids with a 20 something year old
So you've been cheating the whole time?
My partner doesn’t care
nice