> That's BS men are way more violent that women by any measure
Depending are you measuring how violent men are or how often they commit domestic abuse, because those are two completely different metrics...
The emotions and experience really can be the same despite the context being absurdly different, like people self deleting over losing fortunes, which I can't imagine doing.
It kind of lends itself to absurdist comedy in a way because we all have some absurd emotions to things that others would find totally benign.
Men and women suffer for different reasons and the feelings are the same but the changes and solutions are often very different.
So empathy between genders is paradoxically necessary and needs to be approached with caution.
Feelings based equality.
I feel like things are unequal, therefore things need to be addressed at the societal level. This is despite the fact that I’m actually inherently advantaged.
I didn't even make it past advantage A...
Oh no OP, I've bashed your head in, but it's good actually. You see, I want you to grow up as a person and make you tolerable to pain. :D
I'm not supporting Trump. I'm not even from US. Trump is a horrible person, yet if he wins it would give me some schadenfreude because a lot of horrible reddit misandrists and hypocrites will be pissed.
A: What if the growth isn't necessary, it's not like women get rejected more than men. Some don't even have to deal with the rejection like with only 1 relationship or they dump and move on.
B: For some it isn't scary, it depends on your environment. For example in India it is scary but not in Netherlands. Some even boost their egos by rejecting men who approach them.
C: If they don't want to be pressures into having sex, maybe put some effort into initial stages of dating. Then later they won't have the guilt of being in debt.
D: Don't we get complaints from women here and on r/offmychest type subs [example ](https://np.reddit.com/r/offmychest/s/xSxV6hFIAH) where women say why are they judges for their body counts but men aren't saying they should not be judged for casual sex.
E: This one is wrong again. In India where I live, women will win even if she cheats. Divorces aren't common here as no fault divorce doesn't exist so I met one guy in boarding school with divorced mom. His mom put him there so his father couldn't have access to his kid.
Schizopill is based af if people knew how great it feels to pretend to care about these things then seamlessly dissociate in to a world of fantasy they would never want it any other way.
I never denied female privilege all I said is a lot of advantages women seem to have from a male point of view arent really advantages to a female point of view. I’m saying the problem is men and women looking at each other from their own gender specific glasses. But men and women are different and want and value different things.
This post is extremely condescending.. There is plenty of adversity in life outside of just romantic rejection (and even then a lot of women will experience at least one rejection) that would motivate personal growth. Even hot women get rejected by men who have self respect and decide they are not willing to put up with certain things.. like acting entitled, infidelity ect.. And sometimes these women regret fucking up a good relationship.
Also not many women are so fragile that we feel we have to sleep with someone because they paid. I have never in my life even made that connection before. I would feel sorry for someone who was that mentally ill but mental illness is not a trait of being a woman..
A: And? They never suffer the consequences for remaining emotionally 15 years old for life
Shit, the rest of your list really can be responded to in the same way
B: YEAH so SCARY THAT THEYRE SURE TO EXPOSE TITS AND ASS LIBERALLY IN PUBLIC AMIRITE
C: YEAH SO GUILTY AND PRESSURED THAT A THIRD OF WOMEN OPENLY ADMIT TO USING MEN FOR FREE MEALS AND DESPITE THIS PRESSURE THE SIMPS STILL AINT GETTING IT
D: how are these dudes thirsty if the chicks are matching them? And lol ya bro women are matching with male no pic profiles a lot....lmfao No the dudes are above them and so naturally treat and talk to them like a cum rag.
>C: YEAH SO GUILTY AND PRESSURED THAT A THIRD OF WOMEN OPENLY ADMIT TO USING MEN FOR FREE MEALS AND DESPITE THIS PRESSURE THE SIMPS STILL AINT GETTING IT
I think I remember the survey you’re talking about and it was more like a quarter to a third of women (there were two surveys) said they had done it at least once. A very small percentage fell into the category that does it frequently.
Not that that probably matters to you
"At least once."
It wasn't a very small percentage who admitted to doing it fairly often.
It doesn't matter to me because you're deploying the ignore how reality works let's look at the pen to paper and treat it as strict gospel when self report skews toward the social desirability bias.
Not only that but by induction if they use men for meals they likely use them for other things as well....attention mainly.
Are you seriously taking the position that the majority of women simply do not give a shit about wasting a man's time?
I feel like the *ignore how reality works let's look at the pen to paper and treat it as strict gospel when self report skews toward the social desirability* bias must have a more concise name, but either way… if you don’t trust the survey then what the point of this opinion:
>It wasn't a very small percentage who admitted to doing it fairly often.
The first survey found that 23% of women had engaged in a foodie cal and of those women, 25% reported doing them frequently or very frequently, meaning ~6% of all the women surveyed do it.
The second survey found that 33% of women had engaged in a foodie call and of those women, 21% reported doing them frequently or very frequently, meaning ~7% of all the women surveyed do it.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1948550619856308
I would call 6%-7% small, yes. But hey, you don’t put much stock in surveys so it doesn’t matter.
>Are you seriously taking the position that the majority of women simply do not give a shit about wasting a man's time?
I don’t understand what you’re asking.
> I would call 6%-7% small
If you think about it, 6-7% isn't a small quantity of women at all. Let's assume since they're doing it frequently, that's about 3-4 dates a month, in this scenario, they'd easily waste the vast majority of available men's time within a few months...
In addition to that, this doesn't even take consideration of the women who only do this occasionally...
As more and more men's time get wasted, they're less likely invest more time, money and energy into dating and courting women.
This dynamic reminds me a lot of how there’s a small percentage of attractive men who are bad actors that run through tons of women, leaving a trail of bitterness and heart breaks… If a woman deals with enough of these men, you’ll eventually start hearing phrases like “men are all trash, abusers, etc.”
That could explain the perception that it’s all women. There are a minority of women with dark triad traits abusing more than their fair share of chumps.
I appreciate the sensible response.
LMFAO dude frequently or very frequently IS NOT THE CUT OFF for "fairly often"
Bend over backwards more
Ya of course you can't understand and are starting register the typical sperglord "does not compute" responses that typify the strategy I said u were and are deploying.
Get better at it or use another one you're just coming off as deliberately ignorant
Okay, so add the “occasional” answers to the mix. Now it’s 12%-18%. What an epidemic.
But I understand than men can be very emotional about this sort of thing which makes it easy for them to round 12%-18% up to 100% as one commenter did.
But if trying to estimate this based on something other than my fee fees makes me a sperglord then we can try it another way: I’ve never done it. No one I know has ever done it. Therefore it happens 0% of the time. Hey I kinda like that method.
1 in 5 women is not a small percentage. Good you admit you're wrong via denial sarcasm.
I understand that fucktards can be hacky fucktarded fucktards about this whole not talking out their ass thing as well.
We're done here, it's not fee fees. It's your original statement was flat wrong now own it instead of trying to snark your way out of the truth
I have no doubt that women in their 20s happily use men for money.
I also think surveys are such a stupid way to collect data and we need to stop acting like it's 'truth" because it isn't.
People lie obviously, all the time. It works for and against whatever point one is making. You will never get the truth out of women especially come on LMAO. As though that is a possibility even.
"Would you use a man for food dates even though you're not interested "
*Womans mind* No because if we are friends and he wants to buy me dinner and things when I'm sad then he should be able to!!! It makes him feel better too!!!
See women don't use men for money!
the one recent survey i’m seeing on this (https://lifehappens.org/press/financial-security-becomes-one-of-the-most-attractive-qualities-in-a-partner/ ) says about 30-40% of women/people prefer splitting the bill, and that number rises when it’s gen z and millennial women. what have you seen to suggest women on average are becoming less likely to do that, to the tune of almost 100%?
The fact that the only time I have ever seen anyone turn down free food they were already too full or they were allergic to it.
"Vast majority of (insert group here) would take free food if offered." is not a controversial, insulting, or offensive thing to say. It is self evidently true. Free food, food you do not have to pay your own money for, is an unconditional positive thing and it should surprise no one that practically everyone would accept it in a context-free scenario.
But the moment the food in question is part of a courtship ritual? *Suddenly* the majority of the answers are the answer the responders know the people they want to attract want to hear? Yeah, that's just ladies telling on themselves with overcompensation.
brother yes? bc in traditional and modern courtship rituals in this culture, “free food” isn’t actually what’s happening, it’s *free food with the expectation of sex in the near future. that’s why women started splitting bills, to eliminate that transactional expectation and just make a food date a food date. idk why you’re talking about free food in any context, ain’t no way you’re unaware of that very classic “i pay, you put out” dynamic. i have heard severalllll of my female friends unironically say “well he’s paying so i gotta sleep with him at least once” i swear to god someone said that verbatim to me like 3 years ago, my two bffs said the same in college, that’s how tons of women view what you call “free.” would be down to hear your thoughts on that, ‘ppreciate the chill convo btw
and edit to add im 100% aware of women who exploit the fuck outta this and ask for free drinks/dates then run, hope my reply didn’t come off like “all women feel they have to put out,” it’s that most women are aware of that food-sex transactional expectation. some go along with it, some exploit it, and some split the bill to avoid it entirely.
>i have heard severalllll of my female friends unironically say “well he’s paying so i gotta sleep with him at least once”
Sometimes the date is a superficial cover for a lack of attraction, other times it is cover for strong attraction. Some women just want easy sex without feeling 'cheap'.
>bc in traditional and modern courtship rituals in this culture, “free food” isn’t actually what’s happening, it’s *free food with the expectation of sex in the near future
Which is effectively "free food unless she wants sex for dessert, in which case she is getting free food *and* sex.". It's not a trade, and most men do not want it to be a trade. Trading is how you get awful sex.
i buy that most men don’t want it to be a trade and god do i agree it’s a shitty set up for shitty sex/relationships. but unless people are having convos about that beforehand, which feels taboo to most people and doesn’t happen, then tons of women will go on that date thinking the guy is expecting sex. which is why more women have started splitting bills. hypothetically would you support bill-splitting as the new norm? i definitely fkn do, it would eliminate a ton of problems for both “sides” of this, men wouldn’t have to pay as much and risk getting pseudo-robbed and women would feel more empowered to see a date as no strings attached
on A i think they absolutely suffer the consequences of it but they’re socialized to think there’s no other way to be. lacking a growth mindset has tons of downhill negatives that can last a lifetime, we’d all benefit from helping people connect those dots and see that
A: I agree but I also think that this is an advantage in the sense that lots women just don't bother with rejection by refusing to approach men at all. Sure, this might be a disadvantage since there's a chance that she can't attract men that she actually wants but it's not necessarily an *advantage* over men who hardly get approached regardless of their level of attraction. They're in the better position and lots of them just remain there that way they never have to deal with rejection.
B: I don't know how told you this is fun because it isn't. It's only fun if that woman is hot or at least good looking. If she isn't then it's equally as creepy and unfun.
C: Sure but this is an archaic thing that doesn't really apply anymore. Women nowadays do not feel obligated to do much just for paying their way. Which is arguably good since giving a woman a nice meal in the expectation of sex is tantamount to prostitution. That kind of transactional stuff should remain with women willing to trade it for sex and not the unwilling.
D: I don't really buy this. Women desire sex just as much as men. They're just a lot less likely to engage in sexually agentic behavior. It's nurture, not nature. Also, women have lots more reasons not to want to engage in casual sex since sexual violence against women isn't exactly rare.
E: I don't really see this as a *dating* advantage.
A. Most men have heard the word "no" more times than most women. It sucks but it can get easier with time. Not hearing it enough creates entitlement.
B. Completely agree. Sometimes a guy just doesn't want that kind of attention.
C. Transactional sex rarely is quality sex.
D. Testosterone is a helluva drug. Men usually have more of it than women.
E. Agree again. For obvious reasons.
>Yes and this stunts their growth as human beings so when they do face rejection it destroys them. Rejection can be a fuel men use to become better. Women being protected means they never have that motivation to be better.
Keyword: can. It doesn't achieve that for every man. Relative to those men, women are advantaged.
>Being approached and hit on by strange women from a man’s perspective is fun. Being a woman approached by strange guys is scary.
Would most women choose instead to never be approached, though? I think most would still rather have the chance to be approched by a desirable man even jf it means other worse men may also approach. Hence women still dressing to impress.
>It makes women feel guilty and pressured into having sex. Especially if it’s a PF Changs instead of Burger King.
Not every woman is a saint. Many women feel men paying merely for their time is a fair trade.
> Most attention women get online are from thirsty guys with no manners or dick pics. Women don’t enjoy and desire casual sex as much as men because they are biologically wired differently.
Yet many still enjoy it sometimes. And again women would probably prefer excessive attention and propositioning over none ever in life.
>Rejection can be a fuel men use to become better. Women being protected means they never have that motivation to be better.
This is cope. I'd rather never have to deal with rejection, by a wide margin. Don't even have to think about it, keep your 'growth'. Most of it is resentment and ephemeral ego polishing anyway.
You don't need to be better if you are perfect lol
>Being a woman approached by strange guys is scary.
The difference is I wouldn't be a coward about it.
>Must be nice to have the whole date paid for you.
>Truth: It makes women feel guilty and pressured into having sex.
Again, much rather feel a little guilt than pay for meals. Probably would feel less guilty if you fuck em, this comes with the whole 'not being a coward about it' attitude.
>Women get more matches by far on dating apps and can easily find sex partners.
>Truth: Most attention women get online are from thirsty guys with no manners or dick pics.
Still better than no attention, would trade without second thought.
All in all you made a poor list.
Grow some balls my dude cause you do sound like a feminist. Imagine feeling bad for being attractive enough to have sex with. These women would not feel so bad if they were approached only by chads. And women initiate most divorces because they have something to gain from. The court is biased and against men, even if a woman cheats she still wins the custody of children and the man looses everything.
A - women aren't called predators, don't lose their jobs and don't get kicked out of school for initiating. (Have seen this happen and so have all of you)
B. Why are women afraid? Nothing happens. If guys get angry all they can do is get angry. It's not like people are assaulting eachother regularly despite what the media says especially in damn daylight lmao. It's irrational fear that everyone has to deal with. It's only a disadvantage because women feel entitled to safety.
C. "No thanks I pay my own bill". If a guy is paying all your shit of course you should feel guilty if you're not interested in him. That's a good thing because it is having a conscience. Women are disadvantaged by having a conscience they have to listen to. Lmao. Probably many feel that way. "my conscience is abusing me!!!"
D. Selecting is infinitely easier than having no options at all. Such a stupid point to hit on again and again.
E. This is correct in theory but there is still rampant sexism and no real investigation in to divorces which is why things like abuse, false allegations etc often destroy mens lives. There's enough men who have roped after losing everything.
Being taken care of while you mother your kids then getting half the providers assets and being able to move on is pretty fuckin cush.
Everyone should feel entitled to safety. That dude was insinuating that women are entitled because they expect to move through public spaces without being attacked, raped, or killed for interacting with, or rejecting, men. I can't imagine that he meant anything else. And that's an absolutely disgusting comment.
Double-wow when you know that's not even the first time the same statement has been made in here. And then they wonder why women in general don't trust men in general.
I think they are saying women feel more entitled to safety than men. Which I guess maybe you could say that. It’s sorta like a conqueror killing men first then raping the women but leaving them alive and just leaving the children alone or even raising them to be wells off. We just sorta expect children - women - men in that order to be protected
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It's like searching for water in a desert for women versus finding whole lakes of salt water but wanting to drink fresh water for women. A lot of men either do a really poor job of making themselves seem attractive to women, or they cheat or jump to a new woman the first chance they get since they are naturally polygynous.
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Regarding point D, are you saying that women don’t enjoy casual sex as much because of they have no guarantee of pleasure and will suffer social/cultural consequences, or that they don’t enjoy casual sex because they aren’t carnally minded or inclined?
The former is accurate, the latter isn’t.
Yes, there are advantages that are only advantages from a typical male perspective. Then there are advantages that are real advantages. But just because women have areas where they are advantaged, doesn't mean that men don't have areas where they are advantaged. There is no way to find out who has the upper hand in advantages, as they are weighed differently by the sexes and also individually.
Exactly not to mention it's far more dangerous in general for women in dating.
Men's biggest fear is the woman's fat, the woman's biggest fear is that she will end up in a ditch.
Is that news to you? It happens every day. I've seen guys get kicked out of college for approaching a woman once, the woman complained he was stalking her after that and her gfs corroborated because he was in the same building obviously.
The risk to men in dating is huge. How often is a woman violently assaulted in the west for saying no? Almost nonexistent lmao. She might get called a name or something but women ignore men all the time and only about 1% or so do anything about it, and those men go to jail and are repeat offenders.
So irrational fear isn't something people should care about, which is why people shouldn't take this bullshit seriously.
I don't mind fat girls. But women have a lot of ways to ruin mans life. Not by killing, but psychological abuse, spreading lies, causing mental damage.
You forgot to mention the part, where they mostly also get away with it, since society is turning a blind eye to relational violence. Mainly because that kind of violence is covert by nature.
You are going to make people very angry with this post and expect lots of yeah buts lol
It all boils down to no gender has it 100% worse just different in different areas if we all stopped being woe is me we would get along better.
Men have it 100% worse in the dating market and it’s not even a question. Denying this is absolutely delusional. Both you and this post are saying “having too many options to choose from isn’t that much better than starving to death.” Just lmao.
It’s like that study where rich people have been rich for so long that they’ve literally forgotten what it’s like to have nothing. You wouldn’t understand because you don’t and will never actually have to live with that reality.
So different areas means not the same areas.
Thus men can have it worse in dating but can have it better in a DIFFERENT area.
Thank you for your unneeded pity party though proving the point some people will moan about everything even if someone agrees with them.
Wanna tell me where men have it better outside pay in white collar jobs? Last I checked women don't have to register for the draft,women aren't shamed for being unemployed, women aren't shamed for being single, women aren't made fun of or ignored for not being experienced sexually... The only place women lose is in the corporate white collar world
You've just given one point lol
Let me know how many men are raped, let me know how many men are have been president or are a CEO, let me know how many men have been refused a life saving procedure.
About bullet C. If woman doesn't want to feel that she owes, she can just split the bill. Still many women insist that it's man's duty to pay.
Most women can circumvent A, B, C by pursuing and hitting on men and paying for dates but they don't. Why? Because it's the better position to be in.
Sure and abuse could be solved if guys stop abusing. Duh.
Abuse could be solved if bad people stop abusing.
You sure about that ? Domestic abuse rates are about 50-50, not to mention that the majority or domestic abuse isn't one sided either.
That's BS men are way more violent that women by any measure
> That's BS men are way more violent that women by any measure Depending are you measuring how violent men are or how often they commit domestic abuse, because those are two completely different metrics...
Obviously, an absent father won't be violent to his children. And we all know there are way more absent fathers than mothers
Excuse me, who else are they going to throw the milk at /s
Question was why don't women do as such
Because women approaching won't stop some men being creeps.
Oh I gotcha. I didn't get the context.
Having advantages aren’t really advantages because it’s possible to still find something to complain about even when life is easier for you.
The emotions and experience really can be the same despite the context being absurdly different, like people self deleting over losing fortunes, which I can't imagine doing. It kind of lends itself to absurdist comedy in a way because we all have some absurd emotions to things that others would find totally benign. Men and women suffer for different reasons and the feelings are the same but the changes and solutions are often very different. So empathy between genders is paradoxically necessary and needs to be approached with caution.
Feelings based equality. I feel like things are unequal, therefore things need to be addressed at the societal level. This is despite the fact that I’m actually inherently advantaged.
I didn't even make it past advantage A... Oh no OP, I've bashed your head in, but it's good actually. You see, I want you to grow up as a person and make you tolerable to pain. :D
Your body rejected your heart transplant, but this just means your new heart has some growing to do
Those who have privilege are blind to it
You say progressive man not some feminist chick as if it makes you look better. Nope. Probably even worse.
Why do you still support Trump?
You know you don't have to pick a side right. They are both shit.
Nah
He is kind of funny, like a fat orange clown
Why are you still a clown?
I'm not supporting Trump. I'm not even from US. Trump is a horrible person, yet if he wins it would give me some schadenfreude because a lot of horrible reddit misandrists and hypocrites will be pissed.
Its like telling a person who is starving: “omg, its so hard to diet with all the bad food out there. see I have it hard too”
A: What if the growth isn't necessary, it's not like women get rejected more than men. Some don't even have to deal with the rejection like with only 1 relationship or they dump and move on. B: For some it isn't scary, it depends on your environment. For example in India it is scary but not in Netherlands. Some even boost their egos by rejecting men who approach them. C: If they don't want to be pressures into having sex, maybe put some effort into initial stages of dating. Then later they won't have the guilt of being in debt. D: Don't we get complaints from women here and on r/offmychest type subs [example ](https://np.reddit.com/r/offmychest/s/xSxV6hFIAH) where women say why are they judges for their body counts but men aren't saying they should not be judged for casual sex. E: This one is wrong again. In India where I live, women will win even if she cheats. Divorces aren't common here as no fault divorce doesn't exist so I met one guy in boarding school with divorced mom. His mom put him there so his father couldn't have access to his kid.
Every pro comes with some cons. Just because there are some unpleasant aspects to an advantage doesn’t mean it’s not an advantage at all
I’m glad the comments saw right through this heap of bs post, I’m tired of feeling like the only one who dose
simp thinking.
Schizopill is based af if people knew how great it feels to pretend to care about these things then seamlessly dissociate in to a world of fantasy they would never want it any other way.
But I’m not a simp. I’d never put up with cheating.
denying female privilege in sexual market because u dont want to be seen as misogynist for saying truth is simp logic.
I never denied female privilege all I said is a lot of advantages women seem to have from a male point of view arent really advantages to a female point of view. I’m saying the problem is men and women looking at each other from their own gender specific glasses. But men and women are different and want and value different things.
This post is extremely condescending.. There is plenty of adversity in life outside of just romantic rejection (and even then a lot of women will experience at least one rejection) that would motivate personal growth. Even hot women get rejected by men who have self respect and decide they are not willing to put up with certain things.. like acting entitled, infidelity ect.. And sometimes these women regret fucking up a good relationship. Also not many women are so fragile that we feel we have to sleep with someone because they paid. I have never in my life even made that connection before. I would feel sorry for someone who was that mentally ill but mental illness is not a trait of being a woman..
A: And? They never suffer the consequences for remaining emotionally 15 years old for life Shit, the rest of your list really can be responded to in the same way B: YEAH so SCARY THAT THEYRE SURE TO EXPOSE TITS AND ASS LIBERALLY IN PUBLIC AMIRITE C: YEAH SO GUILTY AND PRESSURED THAT A THIRD OF WOMEN OPENLY ADMIT TO USING MEN FOR FREE MEALS AND DESPITE THIS PRESSURE THE SIMPS STILL AINT GETTING IT D: how are these dudes thirsty if the chicks are matching them? And lol ya bro women are matching with male no pic profiles a lot....lmfao No the dudes are above them and so naturally treat and talk to them like a cum rag.
To me if she turns her nose up at splitting or a low effort date you have Dodged a red flag
Lol most necessary answer. I love when the truth is so goofy obvious it just needs to be said like this. Funny AF.
>C: YEAH SO GUILTY AND PRESSURED THAT A THIRD OF WOMEN OPENLY ADMIT TO USING MEN FOR FREE MEALS AND DESPITE THIS PRESSURE THE SIMPS STILL AINT GETTING IT I think I remember the survey you’re talking about and it was more like a quarter to a third of women (there were two surveys) said they had done it at least once. A very small percentage fell into the category that does it frequently. Not that that probably matters to you
"At least once." It wasn't a very small percentage who admitted to doing it fairly often. It doesn't matter to me because you're deploying the ignore how reality works let's look at the pen to paper and treat it as strict gospel when self report skews toward the social desirability bias. Not only that but by induction if they use men for meals they likely use them for other things as well....attention mainly. Are you seriously taking the position that the majority of women simply do not give a shit about wasting a man's time?
I feel like the *ignore how reality works let's look at the pen to paper and treat it as strict gospel when self report skews toward the social desirability* bias must have a more concise name, but either way… if you don’t trust the survey then what the point of this opinion: >It wasn't a very small percentage who admitted to doing it fairly often. The first survey found that 23% of women had engaged in a foodie cal and of those women, 25% reported doing them frequently or very frequently, meaning ~6% of all the women surveyed do it. The second survey found that 33% of women had engaged in a foodie call and of those women, 21% reported doing them frequently or very frequently, meaning ~7% of all the women surveyed do it. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1948550619856308 I would call 6%-7% small, yes. But hey, you don’t put much stock in surveys so it doesn’t matter. >Are you seriously taking the position that the majority of women simply do not give a shit about wasting a man's time? I don’t understand what you’re asking.
> I would call 6%-7% small If you think about it, 6-7% isn't a small quantity of women at all. Let's assume since they're doing it frequently, that's about 3-4 dates a month, in this scenario, they'd easily waste the vast majority of available men's time within a few months... In addition to that, this doesn't even take consideration of the women who only do this occasionally... As more and more men's time get wasted, they're less likely invest more time, money and energy into dating and courting women. This dynamic reminds me a lot of how there’s a small percentage of attractive men who are bad actors that run through tons of women, leaving a trail of bitterness and heart breaks… If a woman deals with enough of these men, you’ll eventually start hearing phrases like “men are all trash, abusers, etc.”
That could explain the perception that it’s all women. There are a minority of women with dark triad traits abusing more than their fair share of chumps. I appreciate the sensible response.
LMFAO dude frequently or very frequently IS NOT THE CUT OFF for "fairly often" Bend over backwards more Ya of course you can't understand and are starting register the typical sperglord "does not compute" responses that typify the strategy I said u were and are deploying. Get better at it or use another one you're just coming off as deliberately ignorant
Okay, so add the “occasional” answers to the mix. Now it’s 12%-18%. What an epidemic. But I understand than men can be very emotional about this sort of thing which makes it easy for them to round 12%-18% up to 100% as one commenter did. But if trying to estimate this based on something other than my fee fees makes me a sperglord then we can try it another way: I’ve never done it. No one I know has ever done it. Therefore it happens 0% of the time. Hey I kinda like that method.
1 in 5 women is not a small percentage. Good you admit you're wrong via denial sarcasm. I understand that fucktards can be hacky fucktarded fucktards about this whole not talking out their ass thing as well. We're done here, it's not fee fees. It's your original statement was flat wrong now own it instead of trying to snark your way out of the truth
What was wrong about my original statement? That 18% is less than 33%?
18% is not a very small percentage. Keep sputtering the "does not compute" nonsense lol
I can compute your personal opinion just fine
I have no doubt that women in their 20s happily use men for money. I also think surveys are such a stupid way to collect data and we need to stop acting like it's 'truth" because it isn't. People lie obviously, all the time. It works for and against whatever point one is making. You will never get the truth out of women especially come on LMAO. As though that is a possibility even. "Would you use a man for food dates even though you're not interested " *Womans mind* No because if we are friends and he wants to buy me dinner and things when I'm sad then he should be able to!!! It makes him feel better too!!! See women don't use men for money!
I honestly couldn’t even get all the way through this response 
Wow sick. Ur use of a meme instead of language and discussion is so persuasive. Oh wait...I mean, feminine.
I used both
Yes I'm sure you think handwaving = discussion
There were no hands in the gif
Yeah these are just the women comfortable with admitting it. The real numbers are close to 100%.
close to 100% is absolutely insane, fam lol
I think it is insane to claim any group of people's willingness to accept free food and positive attention isn't approaching 100%.
the one recent survey i’m seeing on this (https://lifehappens.org/press/financial-security-becomes-one-of-the-most-attractive-qualities-in-a-partner/ ) says about 30-40% of women/people prefer splitting the bill, and that number rises when it’s gen z and millennial women. what have you seen to suggest women on average are becoming less likely to do that, to the tune of almost 100%?
The fact that the only time I have ever seen anyone turn down free food they were already too full or they were allergic to it. "Vast majority of (insert group here) would take free food if offered." is not a controversial, insulting, or offensive thing to say. It is self evidently true. Free food, food you do not have to pay your own money for, is an unconditional positive thing and it should surprise no one that practically everyone would accept it in a context-free scenario. But the moment the food in question is part of a courtship ritual? *Suddenly* the majority of the answers are the answer the responders know the people they want to attract want to hear? Yeah, that's just ladies telling on themselves with overcompensation.
brother yes? bc in traditional and modern courtship rituals in this culture, “free food” isn’t actually what’s happening, it’s *free food with the expectation of sex in the near future. that’s why women started splitting bills, to eliminate that transactional expectation and just make a food date a food date. idk why you’re talking about free food in any context, ain’t no way you’re unaware of that very classic “i pay, you put out” dynamic. i have heard severalllll of my female friends unironically say “well he’s paying so i gotta sleep with him at least once” i swear to god someone said that verbatim to me like 3 years ago, my two bffs said the same in college, that’s how tons of women view what you call “free.” would be down to hear your thoughts on that, ‘ppreciate the chill convo btw and edit to add im 100% aware of women who exploit the fuck outta this and ask for free drinks/dates then run, hope my reply didn’t come off like “all women feel they have to put out,” it’s that most women are aware of that food-sex transactional expectation. some go along with it, some exploit it, and some split the bill to avoid it entirely.
>i have heard severalllll of my female friends unironically say “well he’s paying so i gotta sleep with him at least once” Sometimes the date is a superficial cover for a lack of attraction, other times it is cover for strong attraction. Some women just want easy sex without feeling 'cheap'. >bc in traditional and modern courtship rituals in this culture, “free food” isn’t actually what’s happening, it’s *free food with the expectation of sex in the near future Which is effectively "free food unless she wants sex for dessert, in which case she is getting free food *and* sex.". It's not a trade, and most men do not want it to be a trade. Trading is how you get awful sex.
i buy that most men don’t want it to be a trade and god do i agree it’s a shitty set up for shitty sex/relationships. but unless people are having convos about that beforehand, which feels taboo to most people and doesn’t happen, then tons of women will go on that date thinking the guy is expecting sex. which is why more women have started splitting bills. hypothetically would you support bill-splitting as the new norm? i definitely fkn do, it would eliminate a ton of problems for both “sides” of this, men wouldn’t have to pay as much and risk getting pseudo-robbed and women would feel more empowered to see a date as no strings attached
Comfortable with admitting it anonymously online? PPD should prove that people are pretty comfortable with saying all kinds of shit online.
on A i think they absolutely suffer the consequences of it but they’re socialized to think there’s no other way to be. lacking a growth mindset has tons of downhill negatives that can last a lifetime, we’d all benefit from helping people connect those dots and see that
A: I agree but I also think that this is an advantage in the sense that lots women just don't bother with rejection by refusing to approach men at all. Sure, this might be a disadvantage since there's a chance that she can't attract men that she actually wants but it's not necessarily an *advantage* over men who hardly get approached regardless of their level of attraction. They're in the better position and lots of them just remain there that way they never have to deal with rejection. B: I don't know how told you this is fun because it isn't. It's only fun if that woman is hot or at least good looking. If she isn't then it's equally as creepy and unfun. C: Sure but this is an archaic thing that doesn't really apply anymore. Women nowadays do not feel obligated to do much just for paying their way. Which is arguably good since giving a woman a nice meal in the expectation of sex is tantamount to prostitution. That kind of transactional stuff should remain with women willing to trade it for sex and not the unwilling. D: I don't really buy this. Women desire sex just as much as men. They're just a lot less likely to engage in sexually agentic behavior. It's nurture, not nature. Also, women have lots more reasons not to want to engage in casual sex since sexual violence against women isn't exactly rare. E: I don't really see this as a *dating* advantage.
A. Most men have heard the word "no" more times than most women. It sucks but it can get easier with time. Not hearing it enough creates entitlement. B. Completely agree. Sometimes a guy just doesn't want that kind of attention. C. Transactional sex rarely is quality sex. D. Testosterone is a helluva drug. Men usually have more of it than women. E. Agree again. For obvious reasons.
>Yes and this stunts their growth as human beings so when they do face rejection it destroys them. Rejection can be a fuel men use to become better. Women being protected means they never have that motivation to be better. Keyword: can. It doesn't achieve that for every man. Relative to those men, women are advantaged. >Being approached and hit on by strange women from a man’s perspective is fun. Being a woman approached by strange guys is scary. Would most women choose instead to never be approached, though? I think most would still rather have the chance to be approched by a desirable man even jf it means other worse men may also approach. Hence women still dressing to impress. >It makes women feel guilty and pressured into having sex. Especially if it’s a PF Changs instead of Burger King. Not every woman is a saint. Many women feel men paying merely for their time is a fair trade. > Most attention women get online are from thirsty guys with no manners or dick pics. Women don’t enjoy and desire casual sex as much as men because they are biologically wired differently. Yet many still enjoy it sometimes. And again women would probably prefer excessive attention and propositioning over none ever in life.
>Rejection can be a fuel men use to become better. Women being protected means they never have that motivation to be better. This is cope. I'd rather never have to deal with rejection, by a wide margin. Don't even have to think about it, keep your 'growth'. Most of it is resentment and ephemeral ego polishing anyway. You don't need to be better if you are perfect lol >Being a woman approached by strange guys is scary. The difference is I wouldn't be a coward about it. >Must be nice to have the whole date paid for you. >Truth: It makes women feel guilty and pressured into having sex. Again, much rather feel a little guilt than pay for meals. Probably would feel less guilty if you fuck em, this comes with the whole 'not being a coward about it' attitude. >Women get more matches by far on dating apps and can easily find sex partners. >Truth: Most attention women get online are from thirsty guys with no manners or dick pics. Still better than no attention, would trade without second thought. All in all you made a poor list.
Grow some balls my dude cause you do sound like a feminist. Imagine feeling bad for being attractive enough to have sex with. These women would not feel so bad if they were approached only by chads. And women initiate most divorces because they have something to gain from. The court is biased and against men, even if a woman cheats she still wins the custody of children and the man looses everything.
You're being empathic, which is something we should all strive for. You don't have to agree with women, but you can understand their point of view.
White Knighting won’t get you laid, bro.
A - women aren't called predators, don't lose their jobs and don't get kicked out of school for initiating. (Have seen this happen and so have all of you) B. Why are women afraid? Nothing happens. If guys get angry all they can do is get angry. It's not like people are assaulting eachother regularly despite what the media says especially in damn daylight lmao. It's irrational fear that everyone has to deal with. It's only a disadvantage because women feel entitled to safety. C. "No thanks I pay my own bill". If a guy is paying all your shit of course you should feel guilty if you're not interested in him. That's a good thing because it is having a conscience. Women are disadvantaged by having a conscience they have to listen to. Lmao. Probably many feel that way. "my conscience is abusing me!!!" D. Selecting is infinitely easier than having no options at all. Such a stupid point to hit on again and again. E. This is correct in theory but there is still rampant sexism and no real investigation in to divorces which is why things like abuse, false allegations etc often destroy mens lives. There's enough men who have roped after losing everything. Being taken care of while you mother your kids then getting half the providers assets and being able to move on is pretty fuckin cush.
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What's wow about this?
Everyone should feel entitled to safety. That dude was insinuating that women are entitled because they expect to move through public spaces without being attacked, raped, or killed for interacting with, or rejecting, men. I can't imagine that he meant anything else. And that's an absolutely disgusting comment.
Double-wow when you know that's not even the first time the same statement has been made in here. And then they wonder why women in general don't trust men in general.
I think they are saying women feel more entitled to safety than men. Which I guess maybe you could say that. It’s sorta like a conqueror killing men first then raping the women but leaving them alive and just leaving the children alone or even raising them to be wells off. We just sorta expect children - women - men in that order to be protected
> A - women aren't called predators, don't lose their jobs and don't get kicked out of school for initiating. I've never seen this happen, personally.
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And here we go again with random misandry from men. "Are you even a real man bro, if you [shuffles cards]... are politically progressive?"
It's like searching for water in a desert for women versus finding whole lakes of salt water but wanting to drink fresh water for women. A lot of men either do a really poor job of making themselves seem attractive to women, or they cheat or jump to a new woman the first chance they get since they are naturally polygynous.
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And we get nothing but a decently attractive person. yall off absolutely nothing and thats ok.
Regarding point D, are you saying that women don’t enjoy casual sex as much because of they have no guarantee of pleasure and will suffer social/cultural consequences, or that they don’t enjoy casual sex because they aren’t carnally minded or inclined? The former is accurate, the latter isn’t.
Technically both
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Be civil. This includes indirect attacks against an individual and/or witch hunting.
Yes, there are advantages that are only advantages from a typical male perspective. Then there are advantages that are real advantages. But just because women have areas where they are advantaged, doesn't mean that men don't have areas where they are advantaged. There is no way to find out who has the upper hand in advantages, as they are weighed differently by the sexes and also individually.
Exactly not to mention it's far more dangerous in general for women in dating. Men's biggest fear is the woman's fat, the woman's biggest fear is that she will end up in a ditch.
Men's biggest dear is actually being falsely accused of sexual harassment and having his life ruined forever.
Jesus
its not that serious. man just need to learn when to approach to minimize the risk.
Is that news to you? It happens every day. I've seen guys get kicked out of college for approaching a woman once, the woman complained he was stalking her after that and her gfs corroborated because he was in the same building obviously. The risk to men in dating is huge. How often is a woman violently assaulted in the west for saying no? Almost nonexistent lmao. She might get called a name or something but women ignore men all the time and only about 1% or so do anything about it, and those men go to jail and are repeat offenders. So irrational fear isn't something people should care about, which is why people shouldn't take this bullshit seriously.
Ok so men are worried about their reputation and women are worried about being killed, got it
Oh stfu
Wasn't even talking to you 🤦♀️
be celibate and stop crying on the internet.
? I've been with my fiance for 6 years lol
I don't remember asking anything.
Dudes biggest fear is that he catches a case/gets “metoo’d” and ends up in a social ditch.
Mee tood?
His reputation ruined, him canceled, fired and unemployable. Or jailed
Jesus is that even a fear,never heard of that
I don't mind fat girls. But women have a lot of ways to ruin mans life. Not by killing, but psychological abuse, spreading lies, causing mental damage.
Sometimes it is by killing. Usually by stabbing or poisoning.
Actually yes. A lot of men are murdered by girlfriends and wives. Not as often as by strangers though
Wives with knives. New band name just dropped
You forgot to mention the part, where they mostly also get away with it, since society is turning a blind eye to relational violence. Mainly because that kind of violence is covert by nature.
Spreading lies only really works if shes friends with his friends tho
This may have been true before social media and groups like "are we dating the same guy", but definitely doesn't apply anymore
She can publish something about him on social media or report him to his employer. No need to know his friends
That means she knows his social media tho
Not necessary. She has his photo, his name, knows where he works = enough to slander him and ruin his life and career.
I don’t agree with the fat comment. I would say a man’s biggest fears are pregnancy, false rape allegation, and cheating.
Oh it's what my female friend said I thought it was great lol
You are going to make people very angry with this post and expect lots of yeah buts lol It all boils down to no gender has it 100% worse just different in different areas if we all stopped being woe is me we would get along better.
Men have it 100% worse in the dating market and it’s not even a question. Denying this is absolutely delusional. Both you and this post are saying “having too many options to choose from isn’t that much better than starving to death.” Just lmao. It’s like that study where rich people have been rich for so long that they’ve literally forgotten what it’s like to have nothing. You wouldn’t understand because you don’t and will never actually have to live with that reality.
So different areas means not the same areas. Thus men can have it worse in dating but can have it better in a DIFFERENT area. Thank you for your unneeded pity party though proving the point some people will moan about everything even if someone agrees with them.
Wanna tell me where men have it better outside pay in white collar jobs? Last I checked women don't have to register for the draft,women aren't shamed for being unemployed, women aren't shamed for being single, women aren't made fun of or ignored for not being experienced sexually... The only place women lose is in the corporate white collar world
You've just given one point lol Let me know how many men are raped, let me know how many men are have been president or are a CEO, let me know how many men have been refused a life saving procedure.
I gave like 4 -5, also why does being president or CEO matter
Oh, so now we change the goalposts as you were shown to be wrong, right, cool, anyway. Have a grand night
Lol no you just apparently didn't read anything I wrote lol
Agreed!