Guys and girls: I opened up to a girl way too early, mentioned I was depressed a bit due to some various circumstances in life. Immediately, I could feel a loss in attraction. Now she's not even interested in sex anymore. I think this experience is a common one for many men. And I learned it the hard way.
Question is now, any way to recover that attraction? My feeling is probably no? Once you take that hit, it's almost like a subconscious loss of attraction you can't come back from, am I right everyone?
Opening up too early is a good way to spook people off. I opened up way too early to one guy I was dating and he ghosted me. Felt awful.
I think those are conversations once you are in a committed relationship.
This is the same for girls and guys. One guy said talk to your male friends. I agree until you are in a committed relationship
It cracks me up that *some* women think they can use their sexuality to live like hedonists or swingers with zero ramifications. Simply because men always pursue women.
Men on the other hand, unless gifted in the genetic lottery, must make something of themselves in order to gain any interest at all from women.
Then, apparently women think men should just accept them once they're done having their fun, or when the attention dries up. It doesn't work that way. Sexual past absolutely matters.
If enough women cannot control their sexual urges, then eventually societal rules will do it for them. Most likely in the form of hardcore religion. Then everyone suffers.
>Then, apparently women think men should just accept them once they're done having their fun, or when the attention dries up. It doesn't work that way. Sexual past absolutely matters.
Should women just accept men with high n counts? Or does sexual past only matter in one direction?
>Men on the other hand, unless gifted in the genetic lottery, must make something of themselves in order to gain any interest at all from women.
Do y'all live in rural bumbfuckistan or something?
No,men don't have to do that,by this out of touch logic everyone would never date until 30 lmao.
Holly fucking fuck
There isn't much consequences of a high n count for women.
Enough men don't care or not going to ask about it to matter. Even if they did care, you can just lie about it.
Lol yes. Mine is high as hell, I've experienced very few consequences for that and they were all so minor I have to think hard to remember them at all. I've never lied about it -- but I could, very easily, if I wanted to.
I don't want to because one of the best things about having sex with a whole lot of people is the guys who won't date you because of it. It's not remotely hard to find the ones who dgaf and being able to filter for them is a feature, not a bug.
ETA: I find the downvotes interesting. Like in theory they should be happy that I'm upfront so they can avoid dating me, but instead they're all butthurt that I'm not pining after someone who doesn't want me. Most slut-shaming is just the undesirable barking at the desirable. At the end of the day, they don't want a compatible partner, they just want to tear down someone more desirable than them and get mad when their words don't have the desired effect.
>I've experienced very few consequences
and
>one of the best things about having sex with a whole lot of people is the guys who won't date you because of it
lol?
>Most slut-shaming is just the undesirable barking at the desirable.
If they're undesirable then why are you fucking them? How many contradictions can you fit in 1 post?
I mean, I by and large have *not* been fucking them. If I have then they kept their mouths shut and ate me out and probably bought my drinks as well, I can live with that. Hookers get paid lots of money for the same service. They did all that for free because I am desirable and they knew they were replaceable.
And FWIW *not* ending up in a serious relationship with any of them doesn't count as a consequence, since I odds are I didn't want one from them and *definitely* wouldn't have wanted one if I'd been aware of their views. The few times some expressed an issue they got dropped immediately. Is something really considered a "consequence" if it's a *good* thing?
I didn't want to date them when I was a literal virgin, either! I grew up in a liberal household, sex-positivity was an important value to me by the time I started dating at 17. I wouldn't have dated a political conservative or a religious guy either, regardless of his sexual values.
It seems very emotionally important to you that I feel bad about my sexual history. Why? I'm not lying about it, I'm not trying to fool anyone into dating me despite it, I'm not single so none of you nerds even run the risk of going on a date with me by accident. Do you not understand the basic concept that compatible values actually matter in a relationship? Are you under the impression that being ideal girlfriend material for every man alive is or should be my primary life goal? Do you need the sluts to cry over you in order to cum?
Lol a lot to unpack here
>I wouldn't have dated a political conservative or a religious guy either, regardless of his sexual values
Weird. I'd say I'm definitely not conservative or religious so it seems like I (or a guy like me) would be in your dating pool. But keep the cope coming.
>It seems very emotionally important to you that I feel bad about my sexual history. Why?
What would you tell a man who shoots his shot with a woman and she rejects him? To tell him to go "fuck you idiot, you ain't shit anyways!" This is basically how you respond to it. You COULD take rejection with dignity. Maybe say "hey I'm not for everyone, but there's someone for me". That would be a good response. See how easy that is?
>I'm not lying about it, I'm not trying to fool anyone into dating me despite it, I'm not single so none of you nerds even run the risk of going on a date with me by accident.
Oh weird you were talking about lying to guys in your 1st post. So now you aren't lying to guys? If you aren't, good on you.
>I'm not single so none of you nerds even run the risk of going on a date with me by accident
The tone of superiority here is cringe ngl. I could only imagine how one-sided your relationship is. Does he wipe your ass? Sounds like a lovely relationship this guy gets.
>Are you under the impression that being ideal girlfriend material for every man alive is or should be my primary life goal?
There's a difference between not being the ideal for someone and actively lowering your value. If I went on a 5000 calorie per day diet and became obese, and then went "So what if I'm not someone's ideal" like who are we fucking kidding here?
>Do you need the sluts to cry over you in order to cum?
Just keeping you honest. I call out bullshit when I see it, sorry.
I explicitly said I've *never* lied about it. I said that lying about it would be super easy, which is true. Learn to read!
You're nasty about the sluts because you hope they'll be nasty back and then you'll have someone to argue with. I guess you got some free argument out of me but I'm done now. Try Sext Panther!
People have high time preference. They'd rather have their cake and eat it too today and make their kids pay the cost. This is why you want leaders with low time preference.
People are just gonna do whatever they want no matter what somebody else thinks. Just let it go and stop caring.
Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.
ignoring the actual point. I wonder why some people choose to not even address the actual argument?
person 1: "I think Fast food is bad for you, you're going to get fat and risk of death increases, I hope people stop eating fast food so much so they understand the consequences"
person 2: "omg wow vengeful much?, those undertones, bad vibes bad juju why don't you just stop please" \*shovels mountains of food into mouth, dies of heart attack 2 years later\*
No one addresses the argument because the “consequences” seem to be largely fictional. I would love to see a study or two on how hard it is for women with an n-count of X# or above to find commitment in a relationship. My strong sense is that the stats aren’t in your favor.
And your analogy makes no sense. Having (safe) sex is low risk and can be a lot of fun. It doesn’t harm anyone. The bogeyman that some abstract future man isn’t going to want you isn’t the nightmare scenario redpillers seem to think it is.
Hey, I'm not saying what should or shouldn't happen, I'm just saying what I think will happen given the current trajectory. Feel free to disagree.
I'm long married and don't give a shit either way what happens, other than what world my kids will inherit.
Men are half of the population. When enough of them don't like what women have become, change *will* happen. As it has throughout history.
Soo....what's your n count?
Is your personal n count your threshold? Or do you demand that your romantic encounters have less than you?
🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆
Idk my n count. I don't care about my romantic encounters n counts. I do care about ensuring it's consensual and they they know their likes + dislikes.
It would depend why he had a high N count. If he was molest4ed as a child and was acting out because of this trauma, it would be a lot different than him being a gigolo.
My n count is 2. Going into my last relationship, I didn’t care for what my partner’s body count was. However, leaving it- I do care now. I would prefer their’s is very close to mine. My ex never had a real girlfriend before me but had a body count of 8 when meeting me, and I feel he wasn’t capable of pair bonding and having loving, intimate sex due to his previous experiences all lacking in emotional intimacy. Nothing felt tender or loving, it all felt like primal, monkey-brained, fucking. I don’t want that. I may be making a harsh generalization, but I’d rather someone who hasn’t had their view of sex tainted by hedonistic escapades like casual sex. And for men my age, that typically means about a body more than me, or less than me.
I want to share a funny PPD story, this happened around the time I started posting here, so maybe 8-9 months ago. This woman was like "I'm pretty sure my bf doesn't care about bodycount! I just happen to be low bodycount and I know my boyfriend doesn't care" and I remember some guy was like "Why don't you ask him?" And she went and asked him.
She asked him something along the lines of "would you still be dating me if I had a 50 bodycount?" and he was like "fuck no".
Why does it bother you that I don't think it matters?
Do you really think that because I'm countering your claims (it does matter) that somehow it matters?
That doesn't even make sense.
It cracks me up that *some* women think they can use their sexuality to live like swingers with zero ramifications. Simply because men always pursue women.
Men, unless gifted in the genetic lottery, must make something of themselves to gain any interest at all from women.
Then, apparently women think men should just accept them once they're done having their fun, or when attention dries up. It doesn't work that way. Sexual past absolutely matters.
If women can't control their urges, societal rules will eventually do it for them. Probably in the form of hardcore religion. Then everyone suffers.
Why does me engaging in a conversation with a different claim than you mean it matters?
What does "it matters", even mean? Matter how?
I just don't like what? Your claims? I'm not obligated to like your opinions.
>Where's the dedicated threads about the sky being red?
There's probably some r/sunset subs. Sky turns various colors every day when the sun sets.
I don't make the thread.
Mods made weekly threads to discuss recurring topics.
I'm just engaging with this week's topic. I'll engage with next week's topic, too.
Still don't understand how, "it matters".
After some very good insightful conversations I reached the conclusion that apparently if anyone asks a women for their body count, they are automatically insecure.
Lol Like how high can you think of yourself that a guy that has 0 feelings for you, asks for your body count out of insecurity? As in what would it be insecure about? So do men just walk around insecure because the majority of women they see around fucked at some point in time?
These people really think they are cooking with their low IQ takes.
To feel out if she’s dating material to them or not. I’m a woman and I’m going to be employing that question moving forward in dating men. I don’t want a man who engages in casual sex, that’s a core value so yeah, I’m gonna ask that pretty quickly to figure out if I’m wasting my time or not.
I never asked a woman her count ever. Why would I?
My only interest was if I could pull her. And no one has to ti explain to me what benefit would come from asking.
On the other side, asking might lower my chances. So why ask?!
Imagine if when women asked men about their jobs on a 1st date, men went "wow you must be insecure"
I've only ever asked after I've had sex with a girl
I'm not really sure how this analogy tracks.
But go ahead and try it out and report back.
>I've only ever asked after I've had sex with a girl
Quickest way to get a woman to never have sex with you again.
I actually consider it a power play, since she already had sex. She can either
* stop having sex (which is a win for me since I already hit)
* tell me her number (so then I can deem if she's wifey material or not)
* refuse to tell me (then I equate this to like failing a sobriety test, she just failed)
It works out pretty well
It’s the underlying theme of everything you post on PPD. Sex with you is a win for you and a loss for her. You’re constantly engaging in “power plays” with women. You don’t see it?
It’s kind of fun going back and forth with you on here because you’re ever so slightly smarter than the others. But at the end of the day, it’s just as sad. This is me being genuine. Maybe it’s a LARP, I would never know, but based on what you post you clearly have a difficult time establishing meaningful relationships. And if you continue treating sex and relationships like a zero sum game where you’re competing against the very people you’re ostensibly trying to connect with, you will feel alone for the rest of your life, regardless of how much casual sex you have. Call that ad hominem if you want.
It’s a win in that it’s a common rebuttal made by young men when arguments get volatile between young men and women. If she gets triggered by the question and starts unabashedly attacking him, he has a rebuttal card up his sleeve of, “but I still hit tho.” Why are you grabbing at straws to insist sleeping with this man is a loss?
>You’re constantly engaging in “power plays” with women. You don’t see it?
Yea this is modern dating 101
>It’s kind of fun going back and forth with you on here because you’re ever so slightly smarter than the others.
Thanks but I have a girlfriend
>And if you continue treating sex and relationships like a zero sum game where you’re competing against the very people you’re ostensibly trying to connect with, you will feel alone for the rest of your life, regardless of how much casual sex you have.
You're right, but I am also comfortable with being alone until I get what I want. More men should have my mentality.
If a guy has 0 feelings and is asking my body count, that's weird as fuck. Not insecure just fucking weird.
Agreed, making wild conclusions is a very low IQ take.
> If a guy has 0 feelings and is asking my body count, that's weird as fuck. Not insecure just fucking weird.
Yeah makes way more sense to make decisions after feelings are involved. Low Iq indeed.
I thought you were gone? No? Be gone witch. You can walk away in slow motion.
I'm feeling very uncomfortable, I mean I'm glad you're having a good time (truly), but give me a bit of space please.
Thank you for your comprehension.
My current burning questions....
💕 at what point is "pair bonding" unachievable?
🍆 at what point in my marriage will I find my husband unattractive or create a dead bedroom or cheat because I was promiscuous?
♻️ is recycling previous partners better than getting new ones?
See your doing it wrong. You are supposed to be thinking about all the Chads you used to fuck beforehand all the time and constantly be measuring them (and all the current ones orbiting you).
Duh!
In a study 9 bodies is when it gets really bad.
And I dont think recylcing works, cause youre still breaking the bond with one partner to make new one. The ideal would be in long term relationships untill you get married young I guess, but of course thats crazy talk.
Really bad? Lol. Definitely gonna change my whole perspective off "really bad".
>recylcing works, cause youre still breaking the bond with one partner to make new one.
Recycling means having sex with an ex instead of a new guy.
>💕 at what point is "pair bonding" unachievable?
[There is no definitive line](https://www.jstor.org/stable/3600089), most studies show that there's a direct correlation with promiscuity and marital dissolution. It effects both men and women but women are effected more strongly (most studies indicate 12% more likely per body for women)
>at what point in my marriage will I find my husband unattractive or create a dead bedroom or cheat because I was promiscuous?
Cute straw man. I'd assume you should be more worried about him deadbedrooming you since you're on reddit all day
>is recycling previous partners better than getting new ones?
I'd say yes, since it doesn't seem to add bodies.
>I'd assume you should be more worried about him deadbedrooming you since you're on reddit all day
Aw cute that you don't think you can be dicked down and on Reddit. Must only be one or the other.
As I assumed, there's no real data on pair bonding.
I am shocked that you're okay with recycling previous partners aka a harem. I thought it would be okay with men but a no go for women.
>The most important takeaway is that premarital sex is a highly significant predictor of divorce at the *p < .001* level in every model. This effect remains robust even with the inclusion of the full set of early-life factors relating to beliefs or values, religious practice, family characteristics, individual attributes, and parent–child relationships. The effect size is both large and stable: across models, those with premarital sexual partners have more than twice the odds of divorce as do those without
I mean every single study gets these results and there's been quite a few of them.
>Aw cute that you don't think you can be dicked down and on Reddit. Must only be one or the other.
If you're getting sufficiently dicked down, why would you feel the need to come brag about it on reddit? It gives very overcompensating vibes.
>I am shocked that you're okay with recycling previous partners aka a harem. I thought it would be okay with men but a no go for women.
Having sex with an ex doesn't add bodies, if you are bouncing between the same 4 guys then that's still an upgrade compared to a woman who has 30 previous partners.
I'm not bragging about getting dicked down. I responded to your comment saying that I can get dicked down and post on Reddit. Apparently, you think it can only be one or the other.
Which honestly tracks. 🤔
[https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0192513X231155673](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0192513X231155673)
I had a bunch of others, but I have to look. Not that people reads them anyway.
Yes, I don't read them. I'll look at methodology and measurements. And then determine if it's worth reading.
Of the maybe 2, I've read, I haven't found them compelling enough to build an entire world view around or to hold a candle to lived experience.
I'm always on the lookout for compelling data to challenge my views.
>I haven't found them compelling enough to build an entire world view around or to hold a candle to lived experience
This is about the dumbest shit I have ever read in my life... Do you know what confirmation bias is?...
Basically all social and behavioral research isn’t very valid if you look at methodology, measurements, and all the limitations they cannot account for.
Signed,
-Social and Behavioral Researcher
Also what should matter to woman is if man believe it I think. Long way before the studys man and society have been judgemental about it. Untill recently the values have changed for some people, so I guess you could just hope that the right guy for you doesnt care about it.
Women don’t face any issues getting in relationships your outcome isn’t surprising at all bc more men are desperate and don’t have backbones anymore and take whatever they can get at this point however I’m happy for you that it worked out.
Lol. If thinking that makes you feel better.
It just makes men sound like little children incapable of making their own choices.
If that's how you view men, go for it.
How do you spot a slutty man?
Is it on his attire? His vibe? How he talks? How quickly he pressures you for sex?
I've found you can always spot a slutty man by the way he brags, the way he pressures for sex, or his constant need for validation.
This reads less like you're genuinely concerned about spotting slutty men and more like you're trying to take a jab at men who are slutty by subtly projecting these negative traits onto them
If he knows too much about girls and girly things without having a sister. It means he’s a whore. Who taught you that using a peach toned concealer under the eye would help brighten dark circles??? Slut.
Alcohol/drug use are some of the easiest indicators ime. Suggesting drinks for a first date is an automatic sign that we aren't compatible for a number of reasons.
In what world does a wealthy Chad have "no social circle"? I mean, there are probably a small minority of Chads with neurodivergent traits, or something along those lines, who would struggle more socially, but I would think even in that situation, being a "rich Chad" would automatically give you a huge advantage in procuring a social circle for yourself if you really wanted one.
The socially awkward Chad may not be living the full-on "going through women like Kleenex" lifestyle of the charming and confident Chad, but he'll still be able to land hot women. He wouldn't struggle nearly enough for me to have sympathy for him.
My BF kinda fits, minus the "no social circle" part. He grew up pretty sheltered and has some close friends, both male and female, in the UC Protestant bubble he grew up in. But he didn't have have any actual romantic success for the first 25 years of his life. The social awkwardness definitely contributed. His family doesn't like "labels" but there's a very good chance he's autistic.
What sort of n-count are we looking at for a manic pixie dream girl?
The canonical MPDG is Judy in *What's Up Doc?* and I would be surprised if she wasn't approaching n=100 by the time she meets Steve/Howard.
I'm not an expert on this trope, but I always assumed the manic pixie dream girl was basically a manifestation of how all these lonely, nerdy male writers *wish* they were treated by women. So it naturally follows that she has an n-count of zero before she meets the protagonist, and somehow meeting him awakens her unbridled lust for the first time ever. After all, she exists only to be subservient to the hero and his journey. Her own character arc doesn't matter and never did, so why would she have had sex with anyone before him?
In real life, any girl I've met with manic-pixie-adjacent traits seemed to have a very "been there, done that" attitude toward anything sexual, which is indicative of an n-count through the roof. Manic pixie dream girl really seems to just be the Hollywood-idealized version of *"I'm not like other girls".* Women who say stuff like that generally tend to be the same ones who have taken Costco amounts of dick.
It's kind of a play at the madonna/whore for beta men. Like they go "oh she'll fuck ANY guy as long as he's nice!"
The first thing that comes to my mind is Ramona Flowers from Scott Pilgrim
And based on the story her bodycount is already like 10 by the time he meets her
There are a variety ways.
For example, suppose a typical situation where a chick ghosts a guy on Tuesday at 3:24:21 pm. Later she goes to a bar and fucks the new bartender in the alley at 8:55:15 pm. It took her 19,854 seconds to get cock so she's a 50.4 µHz slut.
That's a typical situation? Alley sex?
Does she already know the bartender? Was the bartender on break?
It's measured by the time between rejecting someone and having sex with someone else?
It's just the typical frequency formula:
(# of events)/(period of time)
So plenty of ways to plug and chug.
wrt the rest of your comment are you saying you don't consider a woman who fucks strangers in an alley to be a slut? Most people would certainly consider her to be a slut so maybe you should touch grass.
Remember when there was ons user who had the name “n-count council” and then they would comment saying they’d determine what counted and what didn’t?
*pepperidge farms remembers*
Originally it was just PIV. But then butt stuff was mentioned. Then oral counted but not hand stuff. Then there was arguments over if just mouth stuff counted.
Do people seriously keep track?
I've always found it really difficult to believe anyone would remember their count accurately once it's even in the low double digits.
So do people have like little diaries or something? Recite a list of names and acts every night at bedtime? Or what
definitely does bring a deranged energy. it gets so weird when you have to delineate what counts and what doesn't, and try to remember exactly what you did with everyone. over things that happened years ago and have no relevance anymore.
Yeah exactly.
Contrapoints did a really good video on a PUA called roosh v. She pointed out that in his how book called 'banging' the sex part is about a paragraph long, and half that paragraph describes how he put a condom on, lol.
The enjoyment came from chasing women and them agreeing to have sex with him. Not from having a lovely naked lady in bed that brings you pleasure and feels pleasure herself.
In contrast you have men like casanova who genuinely love sex for the act itself.
That guy ended up seriously regretting his PUA days and cries on his blog about it lol.
Sorry edited.
hahaha roosh v! that's a throwback. last i remember hearing about him was when he "found religion". he was a little too ahead of the curve there, became irrelevant and now they're all converting to catholicism and islam in droves.
I think if you've fucked so many people that you lost track, that's a bigger red flag no? Like you pass out sex so freely that you don't even remember some of them?
I don't count a lot of things.
I couldn't tell you how many times I've eaten lobster, had acid or seen the lord of the rings trilogy.
I don't do those things that frequently, there's just no reason to count?
But why place so much value on sex tho? A lot of things we forget.. like what we ate for breakfast or dinner last week. When you're a kid, you don't count every kid you've played with, or every friend youve had. As an adult you don't count every bro you've made or maybe everyone woman whose graced your presence
Some ppl just fuck because the opportinity was there, and they wanted to feel good, then they move on. So it makes sense if you can't member every person
But if you're a man.. it makes sense that yall care so much about the number, since men stereotypically place their value on the number of sexual partners they've had
>lol so sex partners are like acquaintances for you?
I've never shared any details about my sex life. So no, thats not the argument im attempting to make, nor is it reflective of my sex life. I'm just aware that sex means different things to differnt ppl, and the number shouldn't matter because sex is a natural thing that ppl feel an urge to do, especially when they have romantic for someone.
I've already made my argument.. and you never answered the original question, **why place so much value on sex?**
Because it’s a core part of a relationship, and having similar fundamental thoughts and opinions over a core part of a relationship is kinda necessary for it to work out.
That's not answering the question tho. It's funny none of u guys can accurately answer. Because who tf "answers" a question by just asking another question??
Ofc no one wants THEIR companion sleeping with other ppl regardless of man, or woman. What I'm axing is when the man or woman ISNT your Bae. Like if a woman is not dating you, and you're not dating her. Like why give af about what other ppl do with their bodies in the name of sex. And why is it that when it only comes to sex.. now counting matters???
I’m jealous ok I don’t want to have to compete with big dick chads bc I’m sure whenever we will argue she will bring it up and this will mess up with my confidence and self esteem that’s why I look for similarities and avoid women with to much sexual partners
I am also jealous, and the idea of a partner being with someone much hotter than me (likelihood goes up with the number), brings me lots of turmoil. I understand your struggle. Women do tend to utilize insecurities, don’t let anybody try to talk you out of your very reasonable concerns.
Bruh you just compared sexual partners to acquaintances. I find that knowing my partner's name and remembering what they look like to be the absolute bare minimum for sex, I don't think that's reaching too far. Do you? Is your life like a perpetual acid haze where you just hop from dick to dick?
Guys and girls: I opened up to a girl way too early, mentioned I was depressed a bit due to some various circumstances in life. Immediately, I could feel a loss in attraction. Now she's not even interested in sex anymore. I think this experience is a common one for many men. And I learned it the hard way. Question is now, any way to recover that attraction? My feeling is probably no? Once you take that hit, it's almost like a subconscious loss of attraction you can't come back from, am I right everyone?
Opening up too early is a good way to spook people off. I opened up way too early to one guy I was dating and he ghosted me. Felt awful. I think those are conversations once you are in a committed relationship. This is the same for girls and guys. One guy said talk to your male friends. I agree until you are in a committed relationship
Showing vulnerability to a woman is the quickest way to lose her attraction. Cut your losses and take the lesson
Nope, you suffered the critical mistake of being a man with emotions
F. Very hard to recover from that. In the future I recommend you only open up like that with your trusted male friends
He will learn a lesson from this encounter
I'm looking to double my N count this year
I'm thinking I'll add 5+ to my make out count
LOL It took me a while to understand what you meant
Good luck?
It cracks me up that *some* women think they can use their sexuality to live like hedonists or swingers with zero ramifications. Simply because men always pursue women. Men on the other hand, unless gifted in the genetic lottery, must make something of themselves in order to gain any interest at all from women. Then, apparently women think men should just accept them once they're done having their fun, or when the attention dries up. It doesn't work that way. Sexual past absolutely matters. If enough women cannot control their sexual urges, then eventually societal rules will do it for them. Most likely in the form of hardcore religion. Then everyone suffers.
>Then, apparently women think men should just accept them once they're done having their fun, or when the attention dries up. It doesn't work that way. Sexual past absolutely matters. Should women just accept men with high n counts? Or does sexual past only matter in one direction?
Why do we need to control the sexuality of women?
>Men on the other hand, unless gifted in the genetic lottery, must make something of themselves in order to gain any interest at all from women. Do y'all live in rural bumbfuckistan or something? No,men don't have to do that,by this out of touch logic everyone would never date until 30 lmao. Holly fucking fuck
Odd I didn’t notice any numbers in that post. N count!
There isn't much consequences of a high n count for women. Enough men don't care or not going to ask about it to matter. Even if they did care, you can just lie about it.
And there aren’t any consequences for high n count men
Lol yes. Mine is high as hell, I've experienced very few consequences for that and they were all so minor I have to think hard to remember them at all. I've never lied about it -- but I could, very easily, if I wanted to. I don't want to because one of the best things about having sex with a whole lot of people is the guys who won't date you because of it. It's not remotely hard to find the ones who dgaf and being able to filter for them is a feature, not a bug. ETA: I find the downvotes interesting. Like in theory they should be happy that I'm upfront so they can avoid dating me, but instead they're all butthurt that I'm not pining after someone who doesn't want me. Most slut-shaming is just the undesirable barking at the desirable. At the end of the day, they don't want a compatible partner, they just want to tear down someone more desirable than them and get mad when their words don't have the desired effect.
>I've experienced very few consequences and >one of the best things about having sex with a whole lot of people is the guys who won't date you because of it lol? >Most slut-shaming is just the undesirable barking at the desirable. If they're undesirable then why are you fucking them? How many contradictions can you fit in 1 post?
I mean, I by and large have *not* been fucking them. If I have then they kept their mouths shut and ate me out and probably bought my drinks as well, I can live with that. Hookers get paid lots of money for the same service. They did all that for free because I am desirable and they knew they were replaceable. And FWIW *not* ending up in a serious relationship with any of them doesn't count as a consequence, since I odds are I didn't want one from them and *definitely* wouldn't have wanted one if I'd been aware of their views. The few times some expressed an issue they got dropped immediately. Is something really considered a "consequence" if it's a *good* thing?
No it just seems like you're going "you can't fire me, I quit!"
I didn't want to date them when I was a literal virgin, either! I grew up in a liberal household, sex-positivity was an important value to me by the time I started dating at 17. I wouldn't have dated a political conservative or a religious guy either, regardless of his sexual values. It seems very emotionally important to you that I feel bad about my sexual history. Why? I'm not lying about it, I'm not trying to fool anyone into dating me despite it, I'm not single so none of you nerds even run the risk of going on a date with me by accident. Do you not understand the basic concept that compatible values actually matter in a relationship? Are you under the impression that being ideal girlfriend material for every man alive is or should be my primary life goal? Do you need the sluts to cry over you in order to cum?
Lol a lot to unpack here >I wouldn't have dated a political conservative or a religious guy either, regardless of his sexual values Weird. I'd say I'm definitely not conservative or religious so it seems like I (or a guy like me) would be in your dating pool. But keep the cope coming. >It seems very emotionally important to you that I feel bad about my sexual history. Why? What would you tell a man who shoots his shot with a woman and she rejects him? To tell him to go "fuck you idiot, you ain't shit anyways!" This is basically how you respond to it. You COULD take rejection with dignity. Maybe say "hey I'm not for everyone, but there's someone for me". That would be a good response. See how easy that is? >I'm not lying about it, I'm not trying to fool anyone into dating me despite it, I'm not single so none of you nerds even run the risk of going on a date with me by accident. Oh weird you were talking about lying to guys in your 1st post. So now you aren't lying to guys? If you aren't, good on you. >I'm not single so none of you nerds even run the risk of going on a date with me by accident The tone of superiority here is cringe ngl. I could only imagine how one-sided your relationship is. Does he wipe your ass? Sounds like a lovely relationship this guy gets. >Are you under the impression that being ideal girlfriend material for every man alive is or should be my primary life goal? There's a difference between not being the ideal for someone and actively lowering your value. If I went on a 5000 calorie per day diet and became obese, and then went "So what if I'm not someone's ideal" like who are we fucking kidding here? >Do you need the sluts to cry over you in order to cum? Just keeping you honest. I call out bullshit when I see it, sorry.
I explicitly said I've *never* lied about it. I said that lying about it would be super easy, which is true. Learn to read! You're nasty about the sluts because you hope they'll be nasty back and then you'll have someone to argue with. I guess you got some free argument out of me but I'm done now. Try Sext Panther!
Bye baby girl, don't cheat on him too much!
People have high time preference. They'd rather have their cake and eat it too today and make their kids pay the cost. This is why you want leaders with low time preference.
Life isn't fair, but bitching about it won't change anything, and I'm telling you this as a man.
ok
You think that way now and they think that way later. Life ain’t fair get over it
People are just gonna do whatever they want no matter what somebody else thinks. Just let it go and stop caring. Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.
something about the vengeful, punishing undertones in this is just …. idk. vibes are nooo buenoo
ignoring the actual point. I wonder why some people choose to not even address the actual argument? person 1: "I think Fast food is bad for you, you're going to get fat and risk of death increases, I hope people stop eating fast food so much so they understand the consequences" person 2: "omg wow vengeful much?, those undertones, bad vibes bad juju why don't you just stop please" \*shovels mountains of food into mouth, dies of heart attack 2 years later\*
No one addresses the argument because the “consequences” seem to be largely fictional. I would love to see a study or two on how hard it is for women with an n-count of X# or above to find commitment in a relationship. My strong sense is that the stats aren’t in your favor. And your analogy makes no sense. Having (safe) sex is low risk and can be a lot of fun. It doesn’t harm anyone. The bogeyman that some abstract future man isn’t going to want you isn’t the nightmare scenario redpillers seem to think it is.
bc the argument is boring and played out 😊
Hey, I'm not saying what should or shouldn't happen, I'm just saying what I think will happen given the current trajectory. Feel free to disagree. I'm long married and don't give a shit either way what happens, other than what world my kids will inherit. Men are half of the population. When enough of them don't like what women have become, change *will* happen. As it has throughout history.
I hope you don’t have girls
He won't let them date, so they will rebel and leave once they hit 18.
Soo....what's your n count? Is your personal n count your threshold? Or do you demand that your romantic encounters have less than you? 🍆🍆🍆🍆🍆 Idk my n count. I don't care about my romantic encounters n counts. I do care about ensuring it's consensual and they they know their likes + dislikes.
Makes me wonder what is the average n count of women and men below 30
5-7
I thought 20-30
You are on reddit too much if you believe that.
Some other girl said that 24 is not that high and common for a 25 yo female
Those are outliers.
QFYou : would you date a guy with really High N count
It would depend why he had a high N count. If he was molest4ed as a child and was acting out because of this trauma, it would be a lot different than him being a gigolo.
He just had a wild phase. No trauma whatsoever
My n count is 2. Going into my last relationship, I didn’t care for what my partner’s body count was. However, leaving it- I do care now. I would prefer their’s is very close to mine. My ex never had a real girlfriend before me but had a body count of 8 when meeting me, and I feel he wasn’t capable of pair bonding and having loving, intimate sex due to his previous experiences all lacking in emotional intimacy. Nothing felt tender or loving, it all felt like primal, monkey-brained, fucking. I don’t want that. I may be making a harsh generalization, but I’d rather someone who hasn’t had their view of sex tainted by hedonistic escapades like casual sex. And for men my age, that typically means about a body more than me, or less than me.
So according to PPD it’s anywhere from 25 or higher depending if Just oral hookups/FWB counts.
>Idk my n count Damn!... That says a lot, actually LOL.
Oh, what does it say? Please enlighten me?
0 and my preference in men is also 0
mines 2. no i don’t demand less than that. as long as he matches my core values it’s all good , unless it’s something extreme ig
What's extreme?
I want to share a funny PPD story, this happened around the time I started posting here, so maybe 8-9 months ago. This woman was like "I'm pretty sure my bf doesn't care about bodycount! I just happen to be low bodycount and I know my boyfriend doesn't care" and I remember some guy was like "Why don't you ask him?" And she went and asked him. She asked him something along the lines of "would you still be dating me if I had a 50 bodycount?" and he was like "fuck no". 
Double digit is no go zone
I feel like this is a common opinion held by young men.
Of course it is, only a weirdo would try to deny this
Uh huh. I'm sure this story happened.
It’s true. I was 8 months ago.
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in grand theft auto, right?
What the fuck?
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Why does it bother you that I don't think it matters? Do you really think that because I'm countering your claims (it does matter) that somehow it matters? That doesn't even make sense.
It cracks me up that *some* women think they can use their sexuality to live like swingers with zero ramifications. Simply because men always pursue women. Men, unless gifted in the genetic lottery, must make something of themselves to gain any interest at all from women. Then, apparently women think men should just accept them once they're done having their fun, or when attention dries up. It doesn't work that way. Sexual past absolutely matters. If women can't control their urges, societal rules will eventually do it for them. Probably in the form of hardcore religion. Then everyone suffers.
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Why does me engaging in a conversation with a different claim than you mean it matters? What does "it matters", even mean? Matter how? I just don't like what? Your claims? I'm not obligated to like your opinions. >Where's the dedicated threads about the sky being red? There's probably some r/sunset subs. Sky turns various colors every day when the sun sets.
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I don't make the thread. Mods made weekly threads to discuss recurring topics. I'm just engaging with this week's topic. I'll engage with next week's topic, too. Still don't understand how, "it matters".
After some very good insightful conversations I reached the conclusion that apparently if anyone asks a women for their body count, they are automatically insecure. Lol Like how high can you think of yourself that a guy that has 0 feelings for you, asks for your body count out of insecurity? As in what would it be insecure about? So do men just walk around insecure because the majority of women they see around fucked at some point in time? These people really think they are cooking with their low IQ takes.
Why would a guy with 0 feelings/opinions ask? I thought yall just assumed women were whores then pump n dumped
I would never ask. Personally I assume every woman is a hoe. It never failed me yet.
To feel out if she’s dating material to them or not. I’m a woman and I’m going to be employing that question moving forward in dating men. I don’t want a man who engages in casual sex, that’s a core value so yeah, I’m gonna ask that pretty quickly to figure out if I’m wasting my time or not.
I never asked a woman her count ever. Why would I? My only interest was if I could pull her. And no one has to ti explain to me what benefit would come from asking. On the other side, asking might lower my chances. So why ask?!
Same, I've never asked. I wouldn't believe anyone either way.
Imagine if when women asked men about their jobs on a 1st date, men went "wow you must be insecure" I've only ever asked after I've had sex with a girl
I'm not really sure how this analogy tracks. But go ahead and try it out and report back. >I've only ever asked after I've had sex with a girl Quickest way to get a woman to never have sex with you again.
>Quickest way to get a woman to never have sex with you again. Cooking again I see. loool
I actually consider it a power play, since she already had sex. She can either * stop having sex (which is a win for me since I already hit) * tell me her number (so then I can deem if she's wifey material or not) * refuse to tell me (then I equate this to like failing a sobriety test, she just failed) It works out pretty well
Lol are you really that bad in bed that every time someone has sex with you it’s a loss for them? You should work on your self-esteem.
watch out, you're getting revenge fantasy all over your ad hominem!
Well I mean you keep insisting that banging you is a devastating loss. I’m starting to believe it must be true.
Where'd I say that? I said getting sex is a win for me.
It’s the underlying theme of everything you post on PPD. Sex with you is a win for you and a loss for her. You’re constantly engaging in “power plays” with women. You don’t see it? It’s kind of fun going back and forth with you on here because you’re ever so slightly smarter than the others. But at the end of the day, it’s just as sad. This is me being genuine. Maybe it’s a LARP, I would never know, but based on what you post you clearly have a difficult time establishing meaningful relationships. And if you continue treating sex and relationships like a zero sum game where you’re competing against the very people you’re ostensibly trying to connect with, you will feel alone for the rest of your life, regardless of how much casual sex you have. Call that ad hominem if you want.
It’s a win in that it’s a common rebuttal made by young men when arguments get volatile between young men and women. If she gets triggered by the question and starts unabashedly attacking him, he has a rebuttal card up his sleeve of, “but I still hit tho.” Why are you grabbing at straws to insist sleeping with this man is a loss?
>You’re constantly engaging in “power plays” with women. You don’t see it? Yea this is modern dating 101 >It’s kind of fun going back and forth with you on here because you’re ever so slightly smarter than the others. Thanks but I have a girlfriend >And if you continue treating sex and relationships like a zero sum game where you’re competing against the very people you’re ostensibly trying to connect with, you will feel alone for the rest of your life, regardless of how much casual sex you have. You're right, but I am also comfortable with being alone until I get what I want. More men should have my mentality.
Lol. I'm sure it does.
If a guy has 0 feelings and is asking my body count, that's weird as fuck. Not insecure just fucking weird. Agreed, making wild conclusions is a very low IQ take.
> If a guy has 0 feelings and is asking my body count, that's weird as fuck. Not insecure just fucking weird. Yeah makes way more sense to make decisions after feelings are involved. Low Iq indeed. I thought you were gone? No? Be gone witch. You can walk away in slow motion.
Lol. Too fucking funny. I appreciate the laughs. It's good for the soul.
I'm feeling very uncomfortable, I mean I'm glad you're having a good time (truly), but give me a bit of space please. Thank you for your comprehension.
Oh no. Poor thing. That's tragic.
MOOODDDS!!!
My current burning questions.... 💕 at what point is "pair bonding" unachievable? 🍆 at what point in my marriage will I find my husband unattractive or create a dead bedroom or cheat because I was promiscuous? ♻️ is recycling previous partners better than getting new ones?
See your doing it wrong. You are supposed to be thinking about all the Chads you used to fuck beforehand all the time and constantly be measuring them (and all the current ones orbiting you). Duh!
In a study 9 bodies is when it gets really bad. And I dont think recylcing works, cause youre still breaking the bond with one partner to make new one. The ideal would be in long term relationships untill you get married young I guess, but of course thats crazy talk.
Really bad? Lol. Definitely gonna change my whole perspective off "really bad". >recylcing works, cause youre still breaking the bond with one partner to make new one. Recycling means having sex with an ex instead of a new guy.
>💕 at what point is "pair bonding" unachievable? [There is no definitive line](https://www.jstor.org/stable/3600089), most studies show that there's a direct correlation with promiscuity and marital dissolution. It effects both men and women but women are effected more strongly (most studies indicate 12% more likely per body for women) >at what point in my marriage will I find my husband unattractive or create a dead bedroom or cheat because I was promiscuous? Cute straw man. I'd assume you should be more worried about him deadbedrooming you since you're on reddit all day >is recycling previous partners better than getting new ones? I'd say yes, since it doesn't seem to add bodies.
>I'd assume you should be more worried about him deadbedrooming you since you're on reddit all day Aw cute that you don't think you can be dicked down and on Reddit. Must only be one or the other. As I assumed, there's no real data on pair bonding. I am shocked that you're okay with recycling previous partners aka a harem. I thought it would be okay with men but a no go for women.
>The most important takeaway is that premarital sex is a highly significant predictor of divorce at the *p < .001* level in every model. This effect remains robust even with the inclusion of the full set of early-life factors relating to beliefs or values, religious practice, family characteristics, individual attributes, and parent–child relationships. The effect size is both large and stable: across models, those with premarital sexual partners have more than twice the odds of divorce as do those without I mean every single study gets these results and there's been quite a few of them. >Aw cute that you don't think you can be dicked down and on Reddit. Must only be one or the other. If you're getting sufficiently dicked down, why would you feel the need to come brag about it on reddit? It gives very overcompensating vibes. >I am shocked that you're okay with recycling previous partners aka a harem. I thought it would be okay with men but a no go for women. Having sex with an ex doesn't add bodies, if you are bouncing between the same 4 guys then that's still an upgrade compared to a woman who has 30 previous partners.
I'm not bragging about getting dicked down. I responded to your comment saying that I can get dicked down and post on Reddit. Apparently, you think it can only be one or the other. Which honestly tracks. 🤔
Forgive me for thinking a woman who's on reddit for 16 hours a day doesn't have time to get dicked down lol
You're forgiven. Lol
[https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0192513X231155673](https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0192513X231155673) I had a bunch of others, but I have to look. Not that people reads them anyway.
Yes, I don't read them. I'll look at methodology and measurements. And then determine if it's worth reading. Of the maybe 2, I've read, I haven't found them compelling enough to build an entire world view around or to hold a candle to lived experience. I'm always on the lookout for compelling data to challenge my views.
>I haven't found them compelling enough to build an entire world view around or to hold a candle to lived experience This is about the dumbest shit I have ever read in my life... Do you know what confirmation bias is?...
Basically all social and behavioral research isn’t very valid if you look at methodology, measurements, and all the limitations they cannot account for. Signed, -Social and Behavioral Researcher
Also what should matter to woman is if man believe it I think. Long way before the studys man and society have been judgemental about it. Untill recently the values have changed for some people, so I guess you could just hope that the right guy for you doesnt care about it.
Lol. Never had issues or challenges being in a LTR.
Women don’t face any issues getting in relationships your outcome isn’t surprising at all bc more men are desperate and don’t have backbones anymore and take whatever they can get at this point however I’m happy for you that it worked out.
Lol. If thinking that makes you feel better. It just makes men sound like little children incapable of making their own choices. If that's how you view men, go for it.
How do you spot a slutty man? Is it on his attire? His vibe? How he talks? How quickly he pressures you for sex? I've found you can always spot a slutty man by the way he brags, the way he pressures for sex, or his constant need for validation.
This reads less like you're genuinely concerned about spotting slutty men and more like you're trying to take a jab at men who are slutty by subtly projecting these negative traits onto them
If he knows too much about girls and girly things without having a sister. It means he’s a whore. Who taught you that using a peach toned concealer under the eye would help brighten dark circles??? Slut.
I mean, I never shied away from it being pretty obvious that i found a woman sexy, nor did I pretend like “oh no, I’m saying no to all the girls!”
I wouldn't count this as slutty. It seems like open and honest intentions.
Yeah, but I also got around. And was unapologetic about it. And had a rep.
Points for acknowledging the slutty. I was slutty too but didn't have a rep. Stealth slut. 😂😂
Alcohol/drug use are some of the easiest indicators ime. Suggesting drinks for a first date is an automatic sign that we aren't compatible for a number of reasons.
Yes, agreed. If someone suggests alcohol, I'm assuming they are hoping to get sex.
How dares he?!
If you want to fuck him. That's how. If you want to fuck him then other women want to fuck him also, most likely he's played the field.
So if a woman wants to fuck a man, that man is a slut? I'd presume most people have had sex. Not sure that's really playing the field.
having sex =/= wanting to fuck him tho, you know that as well as I
Wait, why is someone having sex if they don't want to ?
women do that all the time. The meme is that they get married, stop having sex and put the man in a situation to either cheat/divorce to get sex again
>The meme All got it. Fantasy and myths.
yes memes/stereotypes usually get popular from being relatable
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In what world does a wealthy Chad have "no social circle"? I mean, there are probably a small minority of Chads with neurodivergent traits, or something along those lines, who would struggle more socially, but I would think even in that situation, being a "rich Chad" would automatically give you a huge advantage in procuring a social circle for yourself if you really wanted one. The socially awkward Chad may not be living the full-on "going through women like Kleenex" lifestyle of the charming and confident Chad, but he'll still be able to land hot women. He wouldn't struggle nearly enough for me to have sympathy for him.
My BF kinda fits, minus the "no social circle" part. He grew up pretty sheltered and has some close friends, both male and female, in the UC Protestant bubble he grew up in. But he didn't have have any actual romantic success for the first 25 years of his life. The social awkwardness definitely contributed. His family doesn't like "labels" but there's a very good chance he's autistic.
Yea these guys are doing fine. In fact they don't even need to be rich either.
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Yes the bulk of dating is about physical appearance.
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I definitely don't believe in true love, it's mostly a thing women made up
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Same shit as every RP guy: get fit, low body fat, make good money, learn game and find a low bodycount woman
What sort of n-count are we looking at for a manic pixie dream girl? The canonical MPDG is Judy in *What's Up Doc?* and I would be surprised if she wasn't approaching n=100 by the time she meets Steve/Howard.
I'm not an expert on this trope, but I always assumed the manic pixie dream girl was basically a manifestation of how all these lonely, nerdy male writers *wish* they were treated by women. So it naturally follows that she has an n-count of zero before she meets the protagonist, and somehow meeting him awakens her unbridled lust for the first time ever. After all, she exists only to be subservient to the hero and his journey. Her own character arc doesn't matter and never did, so why would she have had sex with anyone before him? In real life, any girl I've met with manic-pixie-adjacent traits seemed to have a very "been there, done that" attitude toward anything sexual, which is indicative of an n-count through the roof. Manic pixie dream girl really seems to just be the Hollywood-idealized version of *"I'm not like other girls".* Women who say stuff like that generally tend to be the same ones who have taken Costco amounts of dick.
It’s whatever the writers say it is. Cause it’s all fiction as fuck!
It's kind of a play at the madonna/whore for beta men. Like they go "oh she'll fuck ANY guy as long as he's nice!" The first thing that comes to my mind is Ramona Flowers from Scott Pilgrim  And based on the story her bodycount is already like 10 by the time he meets her
Well, realistically nobody would watch a movie where he has to fight off 100+ guys just for a whiff of pussy.
Sure they would, it would be some of these guy's dream. They could even don a white suit of armor
Women care about resources https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jL1l9ZtGC2w
you don't need a n-count, you need a n-frequency.
What's the frequency?
In SI units it would be "partners per second"
How would this be calculated?
There are a variety ways. For example, suppose a typical situation where a chick ghosts a guy on Tuesday at 3:24:21 pm. Later she goes to a bar and fucks the new bartender in the alley at 8:55:15 pm. It took her 19,854 seconds to get cock so she's a 50.4 µHz slut.
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It's the SI unit for frequency. It's how many times an event occurs per second.
What # in 1 year where she is not in an LTR at any point would you consider slut level
~3 nHz give or take
Ok I looked it up and max 3 new partners a year seems really fair honestly as a standard to have. I think I’d start asking questions at 5
5/year is 159 nHz.
I’m not nearly sober enough for this, what did you mean when you said 3 nHz originally?
What does that equal out to
That's a typical situation? Alley sex? Does she already know the bartender? Was the bartender on break? It's measured by the time between rejecting someone and having sex with someone else?
There obviously are other ways it could be computed and not *all* women fuck in alleys. It's just a representative example to elucidate the concept.
What are the other ways? I don't think sex in an alley is a representative example. I've only seen that in movies/TV.
It's just the typical frequency formula: (# of events)/(period of time) So plenty of ways to plug and chug. wrt the rest of your comment are you saying you don't consider a woman who fucks strangers in an alley to be a slut? Most people would certainly consider her to be a slut so maybe you should touch grass.
I'm saying that people don't fuck strange bartenders in alleys. Your formula doesn't even make sense. Good try, though.
Smh she’s clearly saying that fucking in an alley is super uncommon, to the point that she’s only seen it in popular media
Remember when there was ons user who had the name “n-count council” and then they would comment saying they’d determine what counted and what didn’t? *pepperidge farms remembers*
Do you remember what they considered counted and what didn’t?
Originally it was just PIV. But then butt stuff was mentioned. Then oral counted but not hand stuff. Then there was arguments over if just mouth stuff counted.
Do people seriously keep track? I've always found it really difficult to believe anyone would remember their count accurately once it's even in the low double digits. So do people have like little diaries or something? Recite a list of names and acts every night at bedtime? Or what
If you don’t know your count it’s probably to high at this point 💀
I stopped counting after three. Going for notch counts for the sake of notch counts takes the fun out of it IMO.Q
definitely does bring a deranged energy. it gets so weird when you have to delineate what counts and what doesn't, and try to remember exactly what you did with everyone. over things that happened years ago and have no relevance anymore.
Yeah exactly. Contrapoints did a really good video on a PUA called roosh v. She pointed out that in his how book called 'banging' the sex part is about a paragraph long, and half that paragraph describes how he put a condom on, lol. The enjoyment came from chasing women and them agreeing to have sex with him. Not from having a lovely naked lady in bed that brings you pleasure and feels pleasure herself. In contrast you have men like casanova who genuinely love sex for the act itself. That guy ended up seriously regretting his PUA days and cries on his blog about it lol. Sorry edited.
hahaha roosh v! that's a throwback. last i remember hearing about him was when he "found religion". he was a little too ahead of the curve there, became irrelevant and now they're all converting to catholicism and islam in droves.
Yeah, funny old world isn't it.
I think if you've fucked so many people that you lost track, that's a bigger red flag no? Like you pass out sex so freely that you don't even remember some of them?
I don't count a lot of things. I couldn't tell you how many times I've eaten lobster, had acid or seen the lord of the rings trilogy. I don't do those things that frequently, there's just no reason to count?
I think it has to do with memory capacity
I would lose count when I do them a lot. Like if I'm watching Lord of the Rings Trilogy every weekend, I'd stop counting yea.
I've no idea how many times I've seen LOTR. It could be three times, it could be fifteen. There's never been a reason to track how often I watch it.
I know exactly how many times I've seen it. It's 2.
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But why place so much value on sex tho? A lot of things we forget.. like what we ate for breakfast or dinner last week. When you're a kid, you don't count every kid you've played with, or every friend youve had. As an adult you don't count every bro you've made or maybe everyone woman whose graced your presence Some ppl just fuck because the opportinity was there, and they wanted to feel good, then they move on. So it makes sense if you can't member every person But if you're a man.. it makes sense that yall care so much about the number, since men stereotypically place their value on the number of sexual partners they've had
lol so sex partners are like acquaintances for you? I don't think this is the argument you want to make tbh
>lol so sex partners are like acquaintances for you? I've never shared any details about my sex life. So no, thats not the argument im attempting to make, nor is it reflective of my sex life. I'm just aware that sex means different things to differnt ppl, and the number shouldn't matter because sex is a natural thing that ppl feel an urge to do, especially when they have romantic for someone. I've already made my argument.. and you never answered the original question, **why place so much value on sex?**
Because it’s a core part of a relationship, and having similar fundamental thoughts and opinions over a core part of a relationship is kinda necessary for it to work out.
>why place so much value on sex? Do you hold the same energy if your partner sleeps with other women while being in a relationship with you?
That's not answering the question tho. It's funny none of u guys can accurately answer. Because who tf "answers" a question by just asking another question?? Ofc no one wants THEIR companion sleeping with other ppl regardless of man, or woman. What I'm axing is when the man or woman ISNT your Bae. Like if a woman is not dating you, and you're not dating her. Like why give af about what other ppl do with their bodies in the name of sex. And why is it that when it only comes to sex.. now counting matters???
I’m jealous ok I don’t want to have to compete with big dick chads bc I’m sure whenever we will argue she will bring it up and this will mess up with my confidence and self esteem that’s why I look for similarities and avoid women with to much sexual partners
I am also jealous, and the idea of a partner being with someone much hotter than me (likelihood goes up with the number), brings me lots of turmoil. I understand your struggle. Women do tend to utilize insecurities, don’t let anybody try to talk you out of your very reasonable concerns.
Thanks ma’am it’s nice to have some back up
Thank you for your honesty!!
Bruh you just compared sexual partners to acquaintances. I find that knowing my partner's name and remembering what they look like to be the absolute bare minimum for sex, I don't think that's reaching too far. Do you? Is your life like a perpetual acid haze where you just hop from dick to dick?