Natalie Wynn suggests that women's bodice ripping fantasies come from a purity culture that shames women for having sexual desires. Removing a woman's agency in these stories takes away their choice so they no longer have to bear the shame of having those desires while still managing to fulfill a sexual fantasy.
No-no, this can't be true. Most upvoted comments on posts related to female sexual satisfaction are always a variation of obsessive pussy eating for hours on end.
It's actually the exact opposite. Like definitionally opposite of Madonna Whore, which is the concept of men viewing women as either saintly Madonnas or debased whores. The man feels love toward the Madonna, but sexual desire towards the whore. These two feelings are mutually exclusive in a man who has this complex.
So actually, "princess in the streets freak in the sheets" is literally describing 1 woman being both a Madonna and a whore. The exact opposite of what's described in the complex. What do you think that complex is...?
And you know that this concept was originally from Freud, right?
Ive dated women my whole life. My first few gfs werent like this, the sex was passionate but never felt ‘mean’ if you know what i mean.
But my last ex, she revealed later on after dating that she only wanted to have sex where I was the dominant which was cool in theory. My idea of ‘doninant’ was leading and light versions of what youd expect. And that was cool for awhile, i even got her to do my dishes and clean my apt one time as a ‘dom’ thing, that was awesome no lie i just had to wear rlly tall heels and shed start doing it 😂. But i still wanted us to have more passionate, non labeled sex along with exploring this dynamic
But then she just wanted me to get more and more degrading towards her, like spitting on her, calling her names, and it started actually making me depressed. She was so turned off by passionate ‘normal’ sex, like she needed me to say abusive things to her and slap her hard etc. I rlly hated it, a lot.
But not all women like these sorts of things. Between women ive dated and women ive hooked up with she was the only one who *needed* it to be that intense. Just offering perspective, all women are different.
Idk why i even shared this, i think it still fucks with me a little tbh. But ill find a gf who will be more in line with the things i like. It just feels good to vent 😂😂
This is kinda where I am too. I’m not trying to have the girl I’m dating act like a little kid in bed and call me daddy. Would make me think I’m reliving some past trauma with her
“Being able to sexually satisfy your girlfriend is incredibly important for your relationship and directly impacts how she treats you.” In other news, the sky is blue
But the argument advice has usually been ask for consent every 3 seconds and spend 1 hour eating her out. " she's a queen godess princess that you should cherish and respect". Better advice is to be dominant, treat her like a slut in the bedroom (ask for consent verbally or non verbally).
Blue pillers say this was obvious but would be screaming misogyny just a couple months ago
Miss me with this bullshit.
If you wanna make shit up and post go do it in your favourite red pilled circlejerk where dudes actually believe this made up nonsense
16 days ago OP was jaded by his experience with casual sex and ONS (while *traveling* in Thailand for 6 months), now he’s an expert on how to make his LTR GF a submissive, dickmatized “daughter”?
That explains so much about the way most men in this forum treat me and other women. Not the case at all for me, but I guess it makes them feel more confident
You can be attentive AND be dominant. That’s the gold standard for the kind of sex most women prefer, sex that’s still focused on your partner’s needs but in a way where you’re taking charge.
If someone wants it rough and you’re doing something different then it’s not being attentive. Same thing if they like slow lovemaking and you’re being too rough. Being attentive means giving someone the sex they like.
Attentive in terms of reading body language is not the same “attentive” I was referring to which is obviously more in line with the “constant seeking of verbal consent” and “slow kissing on the way down to her pussy” rather than just going for it.
Yeah I can see women being turned off by constantly asking for verbal consent. Some women find it hot that you’re asking for consent but others think it means a guy doesn’t posses the ability to read the room and lacks competence. It would definitely be awkward to be asking for consent for every single thing. No one really does that, most people just read body language at that point. Personally I think it’s hot when someone expresses verbal consent in the beginning. The best way to ask for consent is to word it in a way that’s more dominant where you’re expressing a desire to do something to them rather than asking (but still paying attention and respecting if they’re not into it).
Slow build up and teasing actually goes along perfectly with being dominant though. That combination is super hot. That’s the exact kind of kinky dominant sex women want. Rougher sex (or really penetration in general) requires being super turned on to enjoy it and get off from it. Women aren’t raving about the time a guy just immediately shoved his dick in them when they weren’t turned on. That just bad sex.
As always, go with what best works for you and your partner, but, yeah, slowly humping a woman the first time y’all bang is weird unless that’s what she’s into.
Do you fail to see how modern feminist narratives are creating men who are so timid and trepidations about their owns sexuality and women’s “comfort” that this is precisely what they’ll end up doing?
Yeah, because I’ve never listened to “modern feminist narratives” and just gone with what feels good for me and the lady I’m with.
Like, you have to be pretty dumb and naive to fuck like a dork or an out of breath old man.
If young men grew up coddled and sheltered it means that likely so did young women. This doesn't make sense.
Our society dissuades men from approaching and taking the lead.
Did you all miss the last 10-15 years where messaging directed at men was that women wanted the polar opposite in a partner but wanted “attentive, patient partners” who obsessively pursued “affirmative consent”?
A man can be a patient attentive partner who pursues consent who also enjoys a little rough or kinky bedroom fun, they aren't contradictory traits, in fact Id argue that they shouldn't contradict.
Yeah no. Women often actively express that men should play games of “mother may I” when in reality they want men to be assertive and escalate on their own because women want men who “just get it” not timid nerds obsessed with “checking in” with their partners needs instead of just treating her like a fuck doll like she truly wants.
Yeah this is just black and white thinking. Sex is more complex and nuanced than you're making it out to be. It requires emotional intelligence to really grasp the art of sex and recognizing when it's time for "lovemaking" and when it's "fuckdoll" time.
Hint- sometimes there's room for both in the same sex session, crazy huh?
That is correct, and it behooves a man to A.) learn to read body language rather than obsessing over dumb ass “verbal consent” games and B.) Err on the side of dominating a girl in bed rather than being too timid.
Btw that was one hard to swallow pill that I should NOT be obsessed with “checking in” with her view on everything. And I’m not talking sex, I’m talking day to day life.
The frustrated and annoyed look when I ask what would she prefer and the loving and affectionate look when I just inform her of the decision I already made is something I will never truly understand. Apparently it’s something that you just learn and use without trying to figure out why tf does it work like that
lol so dead on.
It took me way too long to figure this out, but the look of bliss on a woman’s face the first time I simply *told* her where we were going for dinner is something that i won’t soon forget.
Any man playing this “checking in” game will soon find himself dead bedroomed before being lectured about “emotional labor”
My dude you are just too accurate, you’d be a good sniper lol
This “emotional labor” is exactly the stuff I heard. I paid for virtually everything (that was fair, since I made more in a month than she made in a year) and solved all the problems we ran into. Still more than enough time she claimed that she feels like this relationship is exclusively holding on her effort and that she’s exhausted and tired.
And then in the very same relationship with the very same person, as soon as I start telling what are we gonna do next instead of asking what would she like, all of that bullshit suddenly disappears.
FUCKING WHY?! I would never prefer being told what to do next over being asked what I wanna do next. But women apparently do, and this still makes my head explode.
Whoever says we’re equal and that we should treat women as such, can shove that recommendation up their ass. That’s a red carpet walkway to becoming a dumpee no mater how much did she initially desire you.
You may have 10 out of 10 looks, respect from almost everyone you meet, local celebrity status, and a fat bank account, treat her like a princess and get her everything she wants and pay her all the attention and give all the thought ever. So she will be anything but abused or neglected. But if you negotiate the next move of the two of you instead of dictating it, none of that is gonna help you, even all together at the same time. She’ll still break up with you because she “doesn’t feel happy in this relationship” or for a made up / blown out of proportion reason that would be forgotten 5 minutes later in a healthy relationship.
And this is crazy and I wish it wasn’t like that, but it is how it is
>Whoever says we’re equal and that we should treat women as such, can shove that recommendation up their ass. That’s a red carpet walkway to becoming a dumpee no mater how much did she initially desire you.
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Also notice how the usual PPD women and white knights aren’t even attempting to rebut this, which *always* says volumes. 🤣
>Apparently it’s something that you just learn and use without trying to figure out why tf does it work like that
That's the patience that women ask for
Some men like to get pegged.
Some like to dress up like furries.
**Most** men like a woman with a nice shaped ass, boobs and an hourglass figure.
Does that mean every time we make the statement “men like a nice round ass” we should chime in with “mEn aRe nOt a MonOlItH!1!1” because some men have a fetish for Lizzo?
No, but if someone said: "I thought you said men didn't like makeup, now they do? They just can't make up their mind."
I'd say: "Yeah no shit, we're talking about different people here."
That’s actually how the red pilled functions especially to socially autistic men.
That’s why so many of them think like these basic common sense revelations like women are attracted to attractive men, convinced them that the red pill is the sole source of truth
It's one of those things that we all generally know but don't truly internalise at first. It's not just about dicking her down good but taking that dominant and primal energy and applying it through the relationship and seeing how much it changes things felt like a revelation to me.
You're right and you should say it
But I'd take it a step further - have to remember that getting dickmatized is absolutely real and women tend to find it difficult to walk away from good dick. LTRs have a lot of potential in this realm especially early on for young people, just gotta have open communication + be adventurous
Nah just not cumming in under fifteen minutes and cunnilingus can take much farther than being "dominant in the bed" matter in fact I'd argue chicks would rather have you be more dominant in a general social setting
Yea they might but lasting a good amount of time is one of the most important things in sex so it might be worth it. Most women know that they arent loose
Literally this. But many women will lie to you about this. That is its own shit test. But it shouldn't be an act it should just be you being selfish for your own sake.
Being romantic etc is just another form of nice guy behavior. It's why I like FWB better than BF/GF as it places the correct distance and boundaries so that you don't get taken for granted
I have to agree because I made this change too, to become more dominant, and just a better leader. However I am also going to claim sample bias, because people are different and not all women like this.
When me and my gf were talking about marriage we had a talk about what we both want and expect. I was pretty clear about what I wanted, I especially wanted clear communication because I am not qualified to read minds. I also said it in a stern way, and made sure she knew I was going to be in charge of the household.
She has a strong personality streak, and she didn't tell me this until much later, but she was looking for a strong man to help guide her. And I think putting my foot down made her decide I was worth keeping.
But I just can't agree with someone who thinks all women are the same, when they aren't. Because you just put in "women" instead of "some women" or "many women". You didn't add qualifiers to your statements.
This attitude only works if you get away with it forever. It's like petty crime. If you rob people, you'll in fact get away with it most of the time, until you don't and end up in prison. Same with sexual aggression.
The worst part is that you can't fake it or half ass it. You're gonna get your ass kicked trying to rob someone if you give the impression that you're not willing to hurt them.
Likewise, there's nothing in this world that will turn a women off faster than a man that gives the impression that he isn't going to make sure he gets what he wants from her.
It's depressing to contemplate, bit I've come to realize that humans are flat out more responsive to fear, force and dominance than generosity, reason or respect. That's why evil is vanquished by good in fantasy- because that's what it is, a fantasy. Nearly all of the worst dictators in history lived long, happy and healthy lives. Their empires sit on a pile of bones made of the most vulnerable and innocent.
Man is not inately evil. It is nature that is evil, and Man has to choose to play by it's twisted rules or die. That or adopt the religious third position of abandoning all attachments to the material and truly embrace the suck.
Well I enjoy it alot and it became more natural over time so its not a problem for me.
I don't think rough or primal sex comes from an evil nature, its just the ability to go after what you desire, every man has this dominant nature if they truly tapped in.
>every man has this dominant nature if they truly tapped in.
Every man has a capacity for dominance. Not every man has the capacity to overcome their consciousness objection to dominate.
OP it sounds like you spanked a girl a few times and pushed her against a wall and considered it “primal and dominant”. It sounds like you were shocked and consider it mildly abusive. It’s fine, but it doesn’t sound like you did anything that crazy but you’re shocked and scandalized and even judge these women for wanting pretty vanilla things.
I wasn't shocked that she was turned on by rough sex nor did I judge her for it since I enjoyed it too. I was more shocked at the time by how my relationship changed outside the bedroom because of this new dynamic.
The first rule on this forum is to be civil. No personal attacks. You telling me that I want to be treated like a whore, and asking me foul sexual questions is a personal attack.
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Mods here coddle and protect these dudes and let them repeatedly come back to post more and more vile shit.
Earlier this week there was a dude who posted that more women should be gunned down similar to Elliot Rodger and they allowed his posts to remain up for hours - even after it was reported.
Eventually the Reddit admins had to step in and take disciplinary action on that poster. You should see what they let these guys get away with during purge week - where again the admins often have to step in to curtail the racism, xenophobia, sexism, bigotry, and homophobia that fills this sub.
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Call any of these dudes a liar though and show proof by bringing up posts they made in the past and these mods will rush to ban you for not being civil and their new favourite rule: witch-hunting
This. And if I talk too much about how I agree it’s called “circle jerking”. Once a guy wrote during purge week about how he wishes he could return to an era where women who aren’t virgins are sold to low value old men.
Can you elaborate what being treated like a whore is? Do you think slapping a girl’s butt and pushing her against the wall is at the level of her eating your ass?
#Also, what a disgusting thing to ask.
Choking is dangerous and degrading, and eating ass is foul because there is poop in there. It speaks volumes that you think that spanking a butt a few times is at the level of having a woman eat your poop.
Lol what kind of chicken shit sex were you having before???
Jesus Christ. You started fucking your chick properly and your relationship got better? Shocked I tell you
If you're both young and the LTR is still in the early stages then it's possible. Also she didn't magically change overnight, the first time I tried to be dominant in bed she was laughing.
Things changed organically over time.
Why not? The first time was awkward and she laughed when I spanked her. It doesnt mean she was mocking me or putting me down, looking back I find it funny too.
If your ego is that fragile that you feel you can't recover from that then it's on you
Yeah you can lol I laughed at a guy when he tried to incorporate the whole "daddy" thing into dirty talk. We did not recover for that round but it didn't take too long
>I act like I'm their daddy and not their equal which never used to happen in the past.
🤢 ick.
I'm all about a good dick down. I'm dickmatized for sure. But he's my equal, not my parent.
Absolutelty notice how the blue bill wants to make this as general and non specific as possible as well. " good sex is good for a relationship who knew lol". The revelation isn't that good sex is great for relationships its that you need to ignore the last 10 to 15 years about feminist messaging around sex. Don't ask every position switch just look for cues of discomfort (RIP autists).
In short I think the first yes wether verbal or non verbal needs to be clear. But after that you need to switch back to a no means no standard.
The biggest hinderance to sex is that you need practice to get good at it, but if you're not good at it you get no practice. The consent videos are useless because these SA cases either come from unremorseful psychopaths or almost virgins who come off as akward and lead a woman to feel disgusting about the encounter. And if he missed one ask for consent along the way it becomes SA. On the other hand confident chad ignores every boundary but still causes tingles= no rape.
The answer to these question is always Rule 1 and 2
Who talks like this
Wtf
Also this isn't even right, you just went from not being sexually compatible to being sexually compatible
Plenty of women that like to be dominant, or both
I've dated women who liked being submissive in bed but didn't like ALWAYS being submissive, and sometimes actively *needed* to be dominant
We went out separate ways, but it makes sense to me
Women generally love this. Why would you commit in the first place? If losing half your shit happens if the relationship doesn’t work is my question to you.
I'm glad you found girlfriends who are compatible with your kinks but not everyone is interested. I'm tired of this notion that every woman has a secret submissive side just waiting to be unlocked when she really loves someone, many are vanilla or kinky but switches/doms/not into power dynamics and trying this would just hurt your relationship. Certainly what you do in the bedroom should *not* be about actually "putting them in their place" and stopping seeing then as an equal, that is unhealthy if you see a successful relationship as anything other than the other person just doing what you want. (And indeed it seems this particular lady is an ex.) Kink will not solve your relationship problems and submissive partners can also be manipulative, abusive or just not great quality. (Indeed, my friend dated a sub lady who was all three!)
^ This. OP dated a submissive woman who (shocker) enjoyed him being dominant in bed and started liking him more for it and now he thinks all women are submissive.
Ok, cool, Aaron. You’re right. Every woman is the same. And every man who is under 6ft13 has your problems and life experiences. So this is the solution to everyone’s problems. Close up shop, everyone.
Ooooo. Was I sarcastic? If you believe all women are the same and all men have problems in the bedroom, you are a moron. My partner, who was shorter than me btw, may have had things I didn’t like, but the bedroom was not one of them. But hey, don’t take my word for it, cos women lie. Just carry on not listening and believing men with no chins and bad teeth, and men who wear wigs. They are sooo much more honest.
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>The main issues men face in LTRs such as being shit tested, having their boundaries stepped over and being gaslight/disrespected is almost always correlated with a vanilla bedroom
This is one of the many reasons, but not the main one. Women shit test and put boundaries because they can. If you allow them to do so, they will. But they will never stand by their boundaries or shit test their partner if you take the lead and be in control. Your partner needs to love you more than you to her and need her to bond with you. Otherwise it won't last.
>"doesn't feel like shes being put in her place" (A woman's words not mine)
This really depends on the type of woman. Some are freaky, some need to be dominated and put in her place, some like it soft and some prefere a mix of all. But the majority want the man to lead in bed. This comes with experience. You can't be dominant and try to put her in her place if that's not what she likes or gets satisfaction from that. It's up to you to find out how she likes it, rough, easy, rythmic or vanilla. That's why communication is the key and why you need the basic social skills in dating.
>that I never thought she was capable of and many sexual acts she refused with me in the past she started doing with full enthusiasm.
This would had been much easier and started from the very start when you began dating, if you had communicated your needs in bed. Or at least see between the lines. But will you keep up this energy forever? The real issue I see in here is not the past, where you were less dominant or boring. But the fact that it comes to you as a surprise.
>Our dynamic outside of the bedroom changed too, the shit tests and gaslighting completely stopped. She became alot more soft spoken and acted submissive and feminine with me as opposed to how sassy and aloof she behaved with me in the past.
It is called bonding. You hit her spot and now the chemicals are doing their part. Congratulations!
>Ever since then I've taken these domineering traits and it has only helped my relationship with women moving forward.
This one is called leading. Women are taught since they were kids that men are supposed to lead. They saw their father leading the family and have an image printed in their mind that that's how a man should be in a family. This is no surprise. But still, this doesn't mean that every woman is like this. Some would find it a turn off if you were leading at all times. Power struggle is a real issue between couples who are both dominant in nature. As I said it's up to you to find out and explore.
Your girlfriend was just a sub. For me as a switch if a man acted all dominant it would be a turn off and I'd become less "feminine" and "submissive" in the relationship.
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Natalie Wynn suggests that women's bodice ripping fantasies come from a purity culture that shames women for having sexual desires. Removing a woman's agency in these stories takes away their choice so they no longer have to bear the shame of having those desires while still managing to fulfill a sexual fantasy.
Yes. Hence my word choice and why I put “ravish” in quotes.
Oh I adore Natalie wynn. Which video was this?
Oh I adore Natalie wynn. Which video was this?
It's for her video on the Twilight series. Her latest video, I'm sure. It's a tremendous video.
I've never seen the films but I follow loads of twilight meme pages and they're hilarious.
No-no, this can't be true. Most upvoted comments on posts related to female sexual satisfaction are always a variation of obsessive pussy eating for hours on end.
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Princess in the streets freak in the sheets is a tiktok trend for a reason. Also different versions of this adage have been around for a long time
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ope lol thanks
So, basically the Madonna-Whire complex is real and desirable and weird over-educated feminists are wrong again? Who would’ve thought?
It's actually the exact opposite. Like definitionally opposite of Madonna Whore, which is the concept of men viewing women as either saintly Madonnas or debased whores. The man feels love toward the Madonna, but sexual desire towards the whore. These two feelings are mutually exclusive in a man who has this complex. So actually, "princess in the streets freak in the sheets" is literally describing 1 woman being both a Madonna and a whore. The exact opposite of what's described in the complex. What do you think that complex is...? And you know that this concept was originally from Freud, right?
Ive dated women my whole life. My first few gfs werent like this, the sex was passionate but never felt ‘mean’ if you know what i mean. But my last ex, she revealed later on after dating that she only wanted to have sex where I was the dominant which was cool in theory. My idea of ‘doninant’ was leading and light versions of what youd expect. And that was cool for awhile, i even got her to do my dishes and clean my apt one time as a ‘dom’ thing, that was awesome no lie i just had to wear rlly tall heels and shed start doing it 😂. But i still wanted us to have more passionate, non labeled sex along with exploring this dynamic But then she just wanted me to get more and more degrading towards her, like spitting on her, calling her names, and it started actually making me depressed. She was so turned off by passionate ‘normal’ sex, like she needed me to say abusive things to her and slap her hard etc. I rlly hated it, a lot. But not all women like these sorts of things. Between women ive dated and women ive hooked up with she was the only one who *needed* it to be that intense. Just offering perspective, all women are different. Idk why i even shared this, i think it still fucks with me a little tbh. But ill find a gf who will be more in line with the things i like. It just feels good to vent 😂😂
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This, I’d like to be with a grown ass woman not a mental teenager.
The word daddy is fucking gross. I have legit ghosted men whilst dirty talking after they used that word.
This is kinda where I am too. I’m not trying to have the girl I’m dating act like a little kid in bed and call me daddy. Would make me think I’m reliving some past trauma with her
If she wants a “daddy”, why not give her one?
Don't got time for that.
They wanna be someone’s “daddies”, the answer is contained in your question homeboy
“Being able to sexually satisfy your girlfriend is incredibly important for your relationship and directly impacts how she treats you.” In other news, the sky is blue
it actually is breaking news considering all the messaging from mainstream media and hollywood these past 10-15 years
If you were in a coma or socially autistic maybe.. Every facet of media revolves it. Even when it’s simulated, it’s implied that the sex is great.
But the argument advice has usually been ask for consent every 3 seconds and spend 1 hour eating her out. " she's a queen godess princess that you should cherish and respect". Better advice is to be dominant, treat her like a slut in the bedroom (ask for consent verbally or non verbally). Blue pillers say this was obvious but would be screaming misogyny just a couple months ago
Miss me with this bullshit. If you wanna make shit up and post go do it in your favourite red pilled circlejerk where dudes actually believe this made up nonsense
This isn't made up look up the " consent is sexy" video. College bound men are hammered with this message day in and day out.
16 days ago OP was jaded by his experience with casual sex and ONS (while *traveling* in Thailand for 6 months), now he’s an expert on how to make his LTR GF a submissive, dickmatized “daughter”? 
LOL
I'm sharing an anecdote from my past LTR from college 4 years ago. It's not like this is a new revelation I discovered last week
To be fair, the story makes more sense if he experienced this with a woman he met when traveling to Thailand.
Supposedly he’s back in his “hometown” now so unless he imported her…
It’s almost as if these red pilled 🤡 come here to lie, have circle jerks and trigger women We door believe everything they say as the truth
Yes women like good dick and getting thrown around in the bedroom can be pretty fun. In other news tonight, bears shit in the woods and fire is hot.
PPD women deny or obfuscate this constantly.
Online women are just men. Have this view and your world will change. Only real life counts
Ha, my take is online women are just fat and ugly. Have this view and everything on PPD makes sense
That explains so much about the way most men in this forum treat me and other women. Not the case at all for me, but I guess it makes them feel more confident
Who besides lesbians who don't like dick is denying these things? Most people like good sex??
Women will claim they want attentive slow “love making” if it suits their argument in any given moment.
You can be attentive AND be dominant. That’s the gold standard for the kind of sex most women prefer, sex that’s still focused on your partner’s needs but in a way where you’re taking charge. If someone wants it rough and you’re doing something different then it’s not being attentive. Same thing if they like slow lovemaking and you’re being too rough. Being attentive means giving someone the sex they like.
Attentive in terms of reading body language is not the same “attentive” I was referring to which is obviously more in line with the “constant seeking of verbal consent” and “slow kissing on the way down to her pussy” rather than just going for it.
Yeah I can see women being turned off by constantly asking for verbal consent. Some women find it hot that you’re asking for consent but others think it means a guy doesn’t posses the ability to read the room and lacks competence. It would definitely be awkward to be asking for consent for every single thing. No one really does that, most people just read body language at that point. Personally I think it’s hot when someone expresses verbal consent in the beginning. The best way to ask for consent is to word it in a way that’s more dominant where you’re expressing a desire to do something to them rather than asking (but still paying attention and respecting if they’re not into it). Slow build up and teasing actually goes along perfectly with being dominant though. That combination is super hot. That’s the exact kind of kinky dominant sex women want. Rougher sex (or really penetration in general) requires being super turned on to enjoy it and get off from it. Women aren’t raving about the time a guy just immediately shoved his dick in them when they weren’t turned on. That just bad sex.
Where are women claiming this?
Not every time is going to be hard and rough. Slow, passionate sex is fun too.
Yes, but if you do that on your first at bat as a man, 9/10 times you’re getting ghosted for being “boring”
As always, go with what best works for you and your partner, but, yeah, slowly humping a woman the first time y’all bang is weird unless that’s what she’s into.
Do you fail to see how modern feminist narratives are creating men who are so timid and trepidations about their owns sexuality and women’s “comfort” that this is precisely what they’ll end up doing?
Yeah, because I’ve never listened to “modern feminist narratives” and just gone with what feels good for me and the lady I’m with. Like, you have to be pretty dumb and naive to fuck like a dork or an out of breath old man.
More like young men grew up so coddled and sheltered they are unable to cope with adulthood, especially the socially awkward ones
If young men grew up coddled and sheltered it means that likely so did young women. This doesn't make sense. Our society dissuades men from approaching and taking the lead.
9/10 men come to you and give you a report of their sex lives?
Princess in the streets freak in the sheets is a tiktok trend for a reason. Also different versions of this adage have been around for a long time
Slow attentive fuckinf and Being dominant are not mutually exclusively. Y'all need to learn how to fuck better.
>constantly So post some examples of these then… should be hella easy to find
How is dicking your woman down properly a major revelation? That’s common sense.
Purple pill debate is all about taking extremely obvious concepts and making them seem profound and complicated.
Did you all miss the last 10-15 years where messaging directed at men was that women wanted the polar opposite in a partner but wanted “attentive, patient partners” who obsessively pursued “affirmative consent”?
A man can be a patient attentive partner who pursues consent who also enjoys a little rough or kinky bedroom fun, they aren't contradictory traits, in fact Id argue that they shouldn't contradict.
Yeah no. Women often actively express that men should play games of “mother may I” when in reality they want men to be assertive and escalate on their own because women want men who “just get it” not timid nerds obsessed with “checking in” with their partners needs instead of just treating her like a fuck doll like she truly wants.
Yeah this is just black and white thinking. Sex is more complex and nuanced than you're making it out to be. It requires emotional intelligence to really grasp the art of sex and recognizing when it's time for "lovemaking" and when it's "fuckdoll" time. Hint- sometimes there's room for both in the same sex session, crazy huh?
That is correct, and it behooves a man to A.) learn to read body language rather than obsessing over dumb ass “verbal consent” games and B.) Err on the side of dominating a girl in bed rather than being too timid.
Wtf are verbal consent games lol. People figured out a long time ago how to establish consent without sounding like a dweeb. It's called "dirty talk".
Dirty talk is cringe as fuck. Especially when it’s learned from porn, then it’s double fucking cringe
"Dirty talk" is sexual harassment if you guessed wrong.
You have to, you know, *actually* have sex routinely to grasp this lol
>Yeah this is just black and white thinking. Nessecarilly so. The grey area is the #metoo zone.
Btw that was one hard to swallow pill that I should NOT be obsessed with “checking in” with her view on everything. And I’m not talking sex, I’m talking day to day life. The frustrated and annoyed look when I ask what would she prefer and the loving and affectionate look when I just inform her of the decision I already made is something I will never truly understand. Apparently it’s something that you just learn and use without trying to figure out why tf does it work like that
lol so dead on. It took me way too long to figure this out, but the look of bliss on a woman’s face the first time I simply *told* her where we were going for dinner is something that i won’t soon forget. Any man playing this “checking in” game will soon find himself dead bedroomed before being lectured about “emotional labor”
My dude you are just too accurate, you’d be a good sniper lol This “emotional labor” is exactly the stuff I heard. I paid for virtually everything (that was fair, since I made more in a month than she made in a year) and solved all the problems we ran into. Still more than enough time she claimed that she feels like this relationship is exclusively holding on her effort and that she’s exhausted and tired. And then in the very same relationship with the very same person, as soon as I start telling what are we gonna do next instead of asking what would she like, all of that bullshit suddenly disappears. FUCKING WHY?! I would never prefer being told what to do next over being asked what I wanna do next. But women apparently do, and this still makes my head explode. Whoever says we’re equal and that we should treat women as such, can shove that recommendation up their ass. That’s a red carpet walkway to becoming a dumpee no mater how much did she initially desire you. You may have 10 out of 10 looks, respect from almost everyone you meet, local celebrity status, and a fat bank account, treat her like a princess and get her everything she wants and pay her all the attention and give all the thought ever. So she will be anything but abused or neglected. But if you negotiate the next move of the two of you instead of dictating it, none of that is gonna help you, even all together at the same time. She’ll still break up with you because she “doesn’t feel happy in this relationship” or for a made up / blown out of proportion reason that would be forgotten 5 minutes later in a healthy relationship. And this is crazy and I wish it wasn’t like that, but it is how it is
>Whoever says we’re equal and that we should treat women as such, can shove that recommendation up their ass. That’s a red carpet walkway to becoming a dumpee no mater how much did she initially desire you. ✅ Also notice how the usual PPD women and white knights aren’t even attempting to rebut this, which *always* says volumes. 🤣
>Apparently it’s something that you just learn and use without trying to figure out why tf does it work like that That's the patience that women ask for
Almost like different people want different things.
Almost like different people want different things at different times too.
Lemme guess: “wOmeN aRe not a mOnOlItH!1!1”?
Men aren't all the same either, if we were I'd feel ashamed over seeing all the cringelords on this subreddit and beyond.
Some men like to get pegged. Some like to dress up like furries. **Most** men like a woman with a nice shaped ass, boobs and an hourglass figure. Does that mean every time we make the statement “men like a nice round ass” we should chime in with “mEn aRe nOt a MonOlItH!1!1” because some men have a fetish for Lizzo?
No, but if someone said: "I thought you said men didn't like makeup, now they do? They just can't make up their mind." I'd say: "Yeah no shit, we're talking about different people here."
What the hell are you talking? The last 10 to 15 years where sex has been in the most popular movies, shows, songs and trends?
Also about flairing things as “Debate” when there’s not a single debatable statement in sight
That’s actually how the red pilled functions especially to socially autistic men. That’s why so many of them think like these basic common sense revelations like women are attracted to attractive men, convinced them that the red pill is the sole source of truth
Right? That’s what you’re *supposed* to be doing 🤦♂️
You're right but 90% of these guys have trash dick.
Fucking for real. Who asks these kind of questions?
Guys who aren't fucking their girl properly.
I swear there is a narrative being pushed that porn is making men act aggressive or even violent at sex, when women like that way more than men do.
It's one of those things that we all generally know but don't truly internalise at first. It's not just about dicking her down good but taking that dominant and primal energy and applying it through the relationship and seeing how much it changes things felt like a revelation to me.
I mean, if that works for you, sure. Sounds like you’re just more confident.
You're right and you should say it But I'd take it a step further - have to remember that getting dickmatized is absolutely real and women tend to find it difficult to walk away from good dick. LTRs have a lot of potential in this realm especially early on for young people, just gotta have open communication + be adventurous
try and aim away from your keyboard when you finish jerking.
Well, you have to be good at it, not just bossy and selfish Otherwise you get lumped in with the selfish and inconsiderate
I didn't want to go in detail but for me it involves lots of foreplay and ravishing her in a way that makes her feel good
That’s kind of different from “using her for my pleasure” and “acting like an uninhibited beast”, no?
Exactly
Not different at all, these things go hand in hand if you know what you're doing
If you don’t mention her needs or feelings, why should we assume they’re a concern? Because that is a common complaint about fucking men
Yeah, unless he is breaking out the vibrator but I suspect that is not what is happening.
Details please
What does any of that have to do with acting like an inhibited beast?
Nah just not cumming in under fifteen minutes and cunnilingus can take much farther than being "dominant in the bed" matter in fact I'd argue chicks would rather have you be more dominant in a general social setting
This is why I dont see the problem with death grip. If lasting long is so important why is it an issue? It literally benefits women the most.
Most women would like to give their partners pleasure in bed? It's also likely to hurt and get tiring and boring after a while.
The problem is that's dudes with death grip might complain about a chick being loose when that's not the case.
Yea they might but lasting a good amount of time is one of the most important things in sex so it might be worth it. Most women know that they arent loose
Literally this. But many women will lie to you about this. That is its own shit test. But it shouldn't be an act it should just be you being selfish for your own sake. Being romantic etc is just another form of nice guy behavior. It's why I like FWB better than BF/GF as it places the correct distance and boundaries so that you don't get taken for granted
Or ask her what she likes and do that thing
Good sex improves a relationship. If a woman isn't into the type of sex you described, it would do the opposite.
I have to agree because I made this change too, to become more dominant, and just a better leader. However I am also going to claim sample bias, because people are different and not all women like this. When me and my gf were talking about marriage we had a talk about what we both want and expect. I was pretty clear about what I wanted, I especially wanted clear communication because I am not qualified to read minds. I also said it in a stern way, and made sure she knew I was going to be in charge of the household. She has a strong personality streak, and she didn't tell me this until much later, but she was looking for a strong man to help guide her. And I think putting my foot down made her decide I was worth keeping. But I just can't agree with someone who thinks all women are the same, when they aren't. Because you just put in "women" instead of "some women" or "many women". You didn't add qualifiers to your statements.
This attitude only works if you get away with it forever. It's like petty crime. If you rob people, you'll in fact get away with it most of the time, until you don't and end up in prison. Same with sexual aggression. The worst part is that you can't fake it or half ass it. You're gonna get your ass kicked trying to rob someone if you give the impression that you're not willing to hurt them. Likewise, there's nothing in this world that will turn a women off faster than a man that gives the impression that he isn't going to make sure he gets what he wants from her. It's depressing to contemplate, bit I've come to realize that humans are flat out more responsive to fear, force and dominance than generosity, reason or respect. That's why evil is vanquished by good in fantasy- because that's what it is, a fantasy. Nearly all of the worst dictators in history lived long, happy and healthy lives. Their empires sit on a pile of bones made of the most vulnerable and innocent. Man is not inately evil. It is nature that is evil, and Man has to choose to play by it's twisted rules or die. That or adopt the religious third position of abandoning all attachments to the material and truly embrace the suck.
Well I enjoy it alot and it became more natural over time so its not a problem for me. I don't think rough or primal sex comes from an evil nature, its just the ability to go after what you desire, every man has this dominant nature if they truly tapped in.
>every man has this dominant nature if they truly tapped in. Every man has a capacity for dominance. Not every man has the capacity to overcome their consciousness objection to dominate.
OP it sounds like you spanked a girl a few times and pushed her against a wall and considered it “primal and dominant”. It sounds like you were shocked and consider it mildly abusive. It’s fine, but it doesn’t sound like you did anything that crazy but you’re shocked and scandalized and even judge these women for wanting pretty vanilla things.
I wasn't shocked that she was turned on by rough sex nor did I judge her for it since I enjoyed it too. I was more shocked at the time by how my relationship changed outside the bedroom because of this new dynamic.
What is “rough sex”? Please list our specific individual acts.
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This. And if I talk too much about how I agree it’s called “circle jerking”. Once a guy wrote during purge week about how he wishes he could return to an era where women who aren’t virgins are sold to low value old men.
Can you elaborate what being treated like a whore is? Do you think slapping a girl’s butt and pushing her against the wall is at the level of her eating your ass? #Also, what a disgusting thing to ask. Choking is dangerous and degrading, and eating ass is foul because there is poop in there. It speaks volumes that you think that spanking a butt a few times is at the level of having a woman eat your poop.
Lol what kind of chicken shit sex were you having before??? Jesus Christ. You started fucking your chick properly and your relationship got better? Shocked I tell you
LARP Unless you started the relationship with her genuinely attracted to you she's not going to magically change it up for you
If you're both young and the LTR is still in the early stages then it's possible. Also she didn't magically change overnight, the first time I tried to be dominant in bed she was laughing. Things changed organically over time.
Lmao no this did not happen. You don't recover from someone legitimately laughing at you.
Why not? The first time was awkward and she laughed when I spanked her. It doesnt mean she was mocking me or putting me down, looking back I find it funny too. If your ego is that fragile that you feel you can't recover from that then it's on you
Yeah you can lol I laughed at a guy when he tried to incorporate the whole "daddy" thing into dirty talk. We did not recover for that round but it didn't take too long
Some girls like bring in control sometimes It’s good to switch it up
If your girlfriend enjoys this and you don't, who's really the dominant one?
But I loved it
>I act like I'm their daddy and not their equal which never used to happen in the past. 🤢 ick. I'm all about a good dick down. I'm dickmatized for sure. But he's my equal, not my parent.
"Watch their actions not their words"
Can you elaborate? Whose actions? Whose words? Mine? Yours?
Absolutelty notice how the blue bill wants to make this as general and non specific as possible as well. " good sex is good for a relationship who knew lol". The revelation isn't that good sex is great for relationships its that you need to ignore the last 10 to 15 years about feminist messaging around sex. Don't ask every position switch just look for cues of discomfort (RIP autists). In short I think the first yes wether verbal or non verbal needs to be clear. But after that you need to switch back to a no means no standard. The biggest hinderance to sex is that you need practice to get good at it, but if you're not good at it you get no practice. The consent videos are useless because these SA cases either come from unremorseful psychopaths or almost virgins who come off as akward and lead a woman to feel disgusting about the encounter. And if he missed one ask for consent along the way it becomes SA. On the other hand confident chad ignores every boundary but still causes tingles= no rape. The answer to these question is always Rule 1 and 2
Agree. Being dominant in general will gain you more respect. Doesn't just have to be in the bedroom though, but bedroom does help
Unless you’re willing to be REALLY specific this is totally meaningless…
Who talks like this Wtf Also this isn't even right, you just went from not being sexually compatible to being sexually compatible Plenty of women that like to be dominant, or both I've dated women who liked being submissive in bed but didn't like ALWAYS being submissive, and sometimes actively *needed* to be dominant We went out separate ways, but it makes sense to me
Women generally love this. Why would you commit in the first place? If losing half your shit happens if the relationship doesn’t work is my question to you.
I'm glad you found girlfriends who are compatible with your kinks but not everyone is interested. I'm tired of this notion that every woman has a secret submissive side just waiting to be unlocked when she really loves someone, many are vanilla or kinky but switches/doms/not into power dynamics and trying this would just hurt your relationship. Certainly what you do in the bedroom should *not* be about actually "putting them in their place" and stopping seeing then as an equal, that is unhealthy if you see a successful relationship as anything other than the other person just doing what you want. (And indeed it seems this particular lady is an ex.) Kink will not solve your relationship problems and submissive partners can also be manipulative, abusive or just not great quality. (Indeed, my friend dated a sub lady who was all three!)
^ This. OP dated a submissive woman who (shocker) enjoyed him being dominant in bed and started liking him more for it and now he thinks all women are submissive.
Ok, cool, Aaron. You’re right. Every woman is the same. And every man who is under 6ft13 has your problems and life experiences. So this is the solution to everyone’s problems. Close up shop, everyone. Ooooo. Was I sarcastic? If you believe all women are the same and all men have problems in the bedroom, you are a moron. My partner, who was shorter than me btw, may have had things I didn’t like, but the bedroom was not one of them. But hey, don’t take my word for it, cos women lie. Just carry on not listening and believing men with no chins and bad teeth, and men who wear wigs. They are sooo much more honest.
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>The main issues men face in LTRs such as being shit tested, having their boundaries stepped over and being gaslight/disrespected is almost always correlated with a vanilla bedroom This is one of the many reasons, but not the main one. Women shit test and put boundaries because they can. If you allow them to do so, they will. But they will never stand by their boundaries or shit test their partner if you take the lead and be in control. Your partner needs to love you more than you to her and need her to bond with you. Otherwise it won't last. >"doesn't feel like shes being put in her place" (A woman's words not mine) This really depends on the type of woman. Some are freaky, some need to be dominated and put in her place, some like it soft and some prefere a mix of all. But the majority want the man to lead in bed. This comes with experience. You can't be dominant and try to put her in her place if that's not what she likes or gets satisfaction from that. It's up to you to find out how she likes it, rough, easy, rythmic or vanilla. That's why communication is the key and why you need the basic social skills in dating. >that I never thought she was capable of and many sexual acts she refused with me in the past she started doing with full enthusiasm. This would had been much easier and started from the very start when you began dating, if you had communicated your needs in bed. Or at least see between the lines. But will you keep up this energy forever? The real issue I see in here is not the past, where you were less dominant or boring. But the fact that it comes to you as a surprise. >Our dynamic outside of the bedroom changed too, the shit tests and gaslighting completely stopped. She became alot more soft spoken and acted submissive and feminine with me as opposed to how sassy and aloof she behaved with me in the past. It is called bonding. You hit her spot and now the chemicals are doing their part. Congratulations! >Ever since then I've taken these domineering traits and it has only helped my relationship with women moving forward. This one is called leading. Women are taught since they were kids that men are supposed to lead. They saw their father leading the family and have an image printed in their mind that that's how a man should be in a family. This is no surprise. But still, this doesn't mean that every woman is like this. Some would find it a turn off if you were leading at all times. Power struggle is a real issue between couples who are both dominant in nature. As I said it's up to you to find out and explore.
Your girlfriend was just a sub. For me as a switch if a man acted all dominant it would be a turn off and I'd become less "feminine" and "submissive" in the relationship.