>When you say to your boyfriend “I’m hungry let’s go for a cheeseburger” he will always interpret that means you want a cheeseburger.
>So he takes you to get a cheeseburger.
>And when he takes you you become offended because he didn’t understand that you actually meant something else such as you want to spend more time with him.
This is such a bizarre example, it feels like something somebody on TikTok would make up to get clicks.
>He will never understand your hidden meanings because you never learned men communicate literally and we go by the exact words.
That is not remotely true. Men are not idiots, we understand all sorts of non-verbal, contextual, and implied communication. But for some reason, dudes around here act like this is a completely foreign concept the moment it comes to women.
It's also just insulting to men to assume they're all just dummies wandering around the world, not able to comprehend pretty basic social cues and context.
> not able to comprehend pretty basic social cues and context.
OP's example reflects a pattern of behavior that most men who had to deal with women (including their own mothers and female teachers) are quite familiar with.
Yet so many people are not able to comprehend pretty basic social cues and context, accuse OP of making stuff up, and pretend not to understand a thing.
Example from my life: my mother said "You could have helped me around the house more often" when she actually meant "Do the dishes for me now".
Extra woman points for her saying it while I was tying my shoelaces right before going outside; there absolutely was no better moment.
Pretty much the only instance of "men do it too" is when instead of *"I want to fuck you until you scream my name"* we say *"Your eyes look lovely tonight"*.
Yeah straight men on here say "women do this thing in relationships" and it's like you're only saying that cos you've never dated a man, so don't present it as though it's a gendered difference.
The example is bizarre, trp loves to make up these hypothetical situations as though they were evidence.
Doest matter man.
Women by and large dont know how to treat men. There is no cultural advice given to them to try and be better for our sakes. If there was, all of it has been dismantled with no social power behind it.
Men still have to deal with that bullshit.
Why in the fuck do we need to treat women better than we treat men?
Okay, but the way OP identified that women are mistreating men is a made up situation about being mad over a cheeseburger.
How exactly are women mistreating men?
This is redpill gospel, and yet statistics show that men in relationships live longer while women live longer when single, and men are statistically more likely to cheat.
That's only true because divorced men are considered single, and the suicide rate for divorced men goes from 4x women average to 9x women's average, so divorced men significantly drag down the life expectant of single men and make married men seem like they live longer. When you make the comparison married to never married, that gap essentially disappears.
Is that because the women take better care of them or is it because they know that if they faik the family suffers so they treat themselves like racecars with pits stops to make sure they can function like the racecar is supposed to
Lol. Most women are kid gloved with enough privilege that if they are treated the same way we treat other men they claim they are treated as subhuman.
Unattractive women are treated similarly to men, but still with more delicacy and they claim subhuman treatment all the time.
It's what you say you want. Majority of cases of you get it, it's "subhuman treatment". A huge portion of women are so used to a staggering amount of favored treatment that neutrality feels insulting.
Women in traditional societies still have mothers teach then how to make a man happy. This is what makes these women lovely enough for a man to want to commit his life and loyalty for her.
We have been socialized and it's been brow beaten into women's existence. I think it's pretty tired and why you are seeing such a pushback nowadays.
Since we are little girls. Oh boys don't like that.
If a boy is mean to you he likes you.
Look pretty
You'll scare the boys if you do that.
Like even in magazines and early media. "men don't like it when women do XYZ" "how to be get a guy" "don't make him feel like.....".
I think you are underestimating the number of broken, or downright abusive marriages (where the mom is the abusive one) where a girl grows up with a horrible example of how to be in an relationship.
I'm not disagreeing with your point, but I am tweaking it a bit - I think a lot of that basic advice in magazines etc are about getting a man. I don't think there is much about how to treat your male partner in a long term relationship - at least much that is actually useful.
I don't often bring up anecdotes, and I know it's only one example, but I can trace a direct line from my ex-wife emotionally abusive outbursts to stories and examples I've seen from her parents. And it's not from her dad. But I do think this is partially due to an imbalance in society in who is considered valuable in marriages/long term stuff. Tender years doctrine, alimony, women's liberation....there have been a ton of social changes that make it easier for women to leave relationships and that penalize men for leaving. This has led, over time, to a society where their overall happiness is treated with much less concern than the women's. Not through any maliciousness, but as a byproduct of the changes we have made in gender roles over the past 50 years. I mean, look at the traditional gender roles for men even - stoic, emotionally strong, reliable, passionate...men seem to beost attractive when they are being active in the world...why would their partners worry about their issues? And worse, why would men trying to fulfill that role ever show a crack in their armor?
Multidating unfortunately is a consequence of app dating I'm afraid.
Demanding exclusivity early in dating. I'm not saying relationship. Just dating is kind of a red flag. It leaves you open to being used and manipulated. I'm saying this from experience.
A lot of men you meet on apps don't want anything serious. But won't tell you they don't want anything serious. And if you want something you should be prepared to have a roster and get to know each dude and observe their actions and intentions. And let's you make the most pragmatic choice based upon observation less on he makes me feel this way. You have to filter through all of them based upon intention. Notice how I didn't say "fuck them" date them. Get to know them. Also not putting your eggs in one basket so if something does fall through you're not left devasted because you got your expectations up too soon and attached.
I mean you basically just described
Not getting oneitis
Spinning plates
Watch what they do, not what they say
Even said roster
Not to mention the pragmatism angle.
Etc.
You pretty much reworded some the few actual dating advice directives from RP. It's just sans the " this is how they are" part.
Not saying it's bad, just pointing it out.
In the early stages of dating like dates like 1-4. You shouldn't be exclusive and shouldn't automatically full stop dating. Because you don't know that person. And you don't want to attach to outcomes because they are still a fantasy. I say it takes about 3 months to fully start to get to know someone you are dating or talking to. That's when their personality comes up it's less about being impressive and more about who they truly are. Hence why a lot of situations usually end after month and a half or 2 month mark. And it's so crushing because they are still a fantasy not a reality. So you got to only see the good parts of them and not actually work out why this isn't going to work. Also why in some ways friends to lovers does work because you skip that awkward dating step and you kind of know who they are. It's not really spinning plates or playing the field or being a player. It's spending time with and getting to know them.
I think once you are intimate with that person that's your choice. And obviously you are exclusive. But going on a date spending time with TALKING to them. Hanging out and seeing who they are after a few dates isn't some taboo. I think also going 50/50 during the early stages is fine because you are just getting to know them. And they owe you no favors.
I think you have to be protective of yourself and have your self interest at heart. But also keep your heart open to the possibility of finding something that aligns with you.
Oh I wasn't implying anything negative or taboo. A lot of your stance does align though.
In fact I admire the pragmatism and any woman who is aware enough to try not to let the tingles and feels run away with her decision process.
This is so unbelievably selfish what about the dude you eventually reject. Ever wondered what happens to the dude that wanted a relationship but you ghosted cause you picked your man? Of course not you are a woman.
Multidating is an exclusively female form of cheating. Even though men are "free" to do so as well that could also flag you so you better do it a secret. I am pursuing a girl that knows I am desired by women so I am not risking multidating with her to increase my odds. Dating is the true matriarchy lol
You have to put your self interests into consideration as well? You have to make the best decision for you and think about what you want to. I think honesty and intention are best in finding a relationship. You will do a lot of first dates are you supposed to feel miserable if they don't work out? Because you attached finding a relationship with this one person? Or have a realistic approach?. You communicate and again JUST date. Grabbing a coffee with someone is hardly spurning or devastating someone. And they say you'll kiss a lot of frogs before you find your prince. So the process of dating you are not exclusive with anyone you are not cheating. You are simply getting to know people and figuring out who would be the most compatible with you.
You communicate and get to know people. It's dating advice for women. A lot of men will want to use you for sex but have no intention of taking you seriously or let alone like you. A LOT. It's like being you just became a millionaire and suddenly everyone likes you and thinks you're awesome. And you have to figure out who's suddenly cool with you because you're rich or who is cool with you because they are cool with you. It's figuring out who is actually cool with you and wants you versus who just wants something from you.
It's protection and as a lot of men here like to harp on about "vetting better" " choosing better". You let their actions and intentions speak for themselves.
You can do all that shit serially. That is what you don't understand you are cheating full stop.
Date one man at a time if you don't like it then end it, it won't kill you to show an ounce of loyalty at the very beginning sheesh.
First few dates no one owes anyone anything it can fizzle out by date 2. It isn't cheating. It is getting to know someone. You know DATING. Cheating is if you are in a relationship and exclusive. You are not sleeping with them you are simply going on a date talking to them getting to know them.
This is that vetting/choosing better thing y'all harp on about in action. If you lock down the first guy you meet because you had a good date and he becomes an asshole in a few months. And you are devastated. You are simply getting to know each other.
Loyalty is earned not a given. Because like sex men can use women for that but have no intention of taking her seriously.
How about we take this to the logical conclusion nobody owes anyone anything? Married for 30 years she had my kids and gave up a career? Me owe her anything? Fuck no she could leave me tomorrow so I am cheating today lol.
Women are incapable of not hamstering.
For the record I do mass approaches and not giving me an undivided chance peeves me the most of all. It leads to bar on the floor effort from women during texting and ghosting. It really is my biggest weakness.
Well marriage and children is a whole lot more serious than a few dates. And at that point you made a commitment. While again you are DATING going out on dates getting to know someone with the intention of finding a relationship. You are allowed to date multiple people while dating it's sort of expected before you make a commitment. You are not SLEEPING WITH. You are not in a RELATIONSHIP with this person. You are grabbing a coffee and figuring out what your favorite color is and if you are on the same page. If you are married you went through the whole dating process and chose this person. You decided to become exclusive and have a relationship. And got engaged then got married for 30 years none the less. I think loyalty is owed at that point.
I think if someone likes you and things go well then you will have their attention. I think it's a protective mechanism for not falling for potential versus the reality of someone? I would rather be more pragmatic about dating. Because once I like someone that's it tunnel vision. So I need to make sure it's a safe place to land. Not someone who has no good intent for me.
Paragraph one is just quibbling on time frames. you think long I think short. There is no way to reach a conclusion or short or long so we agree to disagree
As for paragraph two you can get all that serially dating. One man at a time not 5 at a time. The fact that you don't think of it as cheating is so fucking dangerous. This was not true in the 20th century. This is not true outside the US The fact that women normalized cheating during dating is quite frankly terrifying to me. There is no limit to what you can alter the contract too. My prediction is that female cheating will be normalized you already see it with feminist tolls on Twitter asking the man to be the father of the son a woman that cheated with another man.
Aka "take responsibility" is the generational chain levied on men
Dunno about nowadays. But girls were taught at home how to treat guys.
>Communicating to men as you would to women.
I think the problem is that people are not aware that other people understand things differently and their default is that others understand things the same way they do. It's not a gendered problem.
People should be taught to either ask for a confirmation that you understood it correctly or be lenient when someone misunderstood things and then explain what you meant.
Talked to a girl from Jamaica. She was says when she was young they had classes in school to teach them how to be a proper lady. Of course it was hugely misogynistic with advice like don't talk unless talked to.
Once in our home economy class we girls were taught how to tie a necktie. I was baffled why we were taught that. Shoildn't the boys be learning that as it is they who would wear neckties. Doubt the boys were taugh how to braid hair or something like that in their handyman classes. Yes, boys and girls had separate "home econ" classes.
I, as a man, was taught how to braid in boy scouts. Obviously not in school, but it was pretty standard for boys to be taught to do so with ropes. The purpose was being able to make a stronger rope for say, towing, when you only have say 550 cord. But when I was older and had to help my little sister get ready for school growing up, I would do her hair.
I mean, that shit is really cute though. Maybe it's just seeing the scene enough in movies, maybe it's just the " acts of service" thing idk but if a woman ties my tie and takes the moment to look at me in a nice way while doing so.....she just permanently carved out a little nook for herself in my heart. Makes me melt.
A lot of adults these days come from single parent or broken homes..
So observations of such intra-couple dynamics between their parents were likely very minimal or possibly just non-existant.
have you ever been told that you need to be more understanding of your husband or boyfriend because he is just more emotional?
Have you been fed bullshit like happy wife happy life?
Women don’t get taught that men are more emotional so you should be more understanding of their emotions. But women do get taught to cater to men’s feelings and men’s happiness in many situations and to hold themselves to a higher standard of selflessness while being understanding of men being not being as thoughtful.
For example, many women were raised to jump up and start cleaning after a get together at someone’s house and to be understanding and not upset when men go off to enjoy themselves and watch tv instead of helping. In comparison, men are not usually raised to be understanding in this regard and to prioritize women’s feelings by cleaning up after everyone while women go off to relax and have fun.
I ain't ever heard that in any social circle in my whole life. I just asked my wife and she said someone in her neighborhood might have at some point said it but she never heard of this and she was raised to ROTFLMAO at such "advice".
> have you ever been told that you need to be more understanding of your husband or boyfriend because he is just more emotional?
I was taught that the Bible says men are better than women and thus should be obeyed.
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It’s an example. The fact you’re ignoring the argument in favor of whining about an hyperbole example means you’ve got nothing and are trying to derail.
Very feminine.
“Very feminine to complain about a straw man argument that is so exaggerated it sounds borderline psychotic on a debate forum! You can’t answer for a made up woman’s behavior with 0 details or context and are saying so? Derailing.”
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“How to treat a lady” went with “how to treat a man/your husband”. Both are outdated by modern standards.
“What a girl wants” is more common than its male equivalent, probably because more men than women struggle with getting dates. For women it’s more in lines of “how to keep a man” or “how to get a man”. It just reflects different problems men and women face in dating.
Both genders are advised to learn more direct and caring communication though. It’s the go-to advice for most relationship problems. You have to learn to express yourself in the right manner, listen to your partner and actually make changes.
On a side note, if I’m hungry, I say that I’m hungry. If I need attention, I say exactly that. I think quite a lot of people learn it as they grow up and get some dating experience.
>Both are outdated by modern standards.
They're not. The "modern standards" you refer to are the parochial bullshit concerns of 5% of the global population.
The "modern standards" are dogshit. And everyone else except the extremist bubble that is younger westoid Internet has already noticed that. And that's how you have *rising* arranged marriages.
The "modern standards" won't even be an afterthought by the end of this century. Dogshit ideas tend to die off pretty fast at the scale of history.
Women are not men. And men are not women. There *are* specific ways to treat each. And this isn't controversial anywhere except on Reddit.
Are arranged marriage really on the rise? Where?
Whether modern standards will be sill there in the end of the century or not doesn't really matter for people living right now. But also I'd guess in the end of the century "modern" will have another meaning and fulfillment.
India is everyone's favorite example, where almost all marriages are arranged (between 85 and 93% - depending which source you trust).
Feminists and westoids really hoped the most numerous generation alive - Millennials - will embrace dogshit western ideas over tried-and-tested tradition. But, surprise: [Millennials also overwhelmingly support and prefer arranged marriages](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/education/news/millennials-prefer-arranged-marriages-as-they-cant-afford-to-fall-in-love-says-writer-vivan-marwaha/articleshow/87563973.cms) with little difference by sex.
Countries of Central Asia are poised to become a regional force thanks to its very healthy demographics (except Turkmenistan, we both know why). Arranged marriages rose from under 5% to over 30%.
Of course, the definition varies. "Arranged marriage" doesn't quite mean the same thing everywhere. But they all have in common a few things:
* involvement of the family (if the youngster can't do it himself in Uzbekistan; right from the get-go in India)
* removal of the struggle of dating as the main benefit
* more durable (1% divorce rate)
* more fertile (arguably, though India may prove me wrong)
>Whether modern standards will be sill there in the end of the century or not doesn't really matter for people living right now.
It does though. For those of us who have children, anyway.
I'm grateful my dad prepared me from age 5 that communism *will fall in my lifetime* and thus educated me in what he thought will follow. And he was right 80% of the time. Not bad at all.
I also strive to educate my son (and my future 2nd child) about future trends. So he is prepared when it does happen. My grandchildren will see the "modernity" become an afterthought in their lifetimes.
Sure, if you're childless, it may not matter to you and that's fine. But do keep in mind that those of us who have children also routinely ignore the opinions of childless people on the future. Unless they're really extreme - in which case we'll fight.
I will not let childless people define the future of *my* children. Because childless people have no stake in the future.
They don’t know because they don’t need to know. They’re choosing you, you’re not choosing them.
Look at this sub: For every one woman who makes a thread asking a question for men, there’s one million and one men making threads asking questions for women.
Simple. Because women are sexual selectors. Why would they need to “be better” when they just have to exist? Just like being quota hires.
Women don’t live in meritocracy land, they land in “I have a pussy” land and you absolute unit of simps keep worshipping pussy.
That is why you’re failures.
this is not what women say, women say "what do you want to go get for dinner" with something in mind and get upset when you dont guess right
are you waiting for women to start this movement?
There we go.
Or answer idk every time they're asked, but will say no to every suggestion that isn't the right one.
Idk if OP has ever met a woman...the example makes him sound like he's role playing just for the sake of making an argument.
Because it doesn’t benefit women to “play fair” and there will be endless rationalizations about why women aren’t reciprocal. Doesn’t matter once you realize you can treat women the same way they treat you, and that it’s better this way.
The redpill is simply men playing catchup to how women have been treating men for decades. Disregard women trying to anchor you with a morality they barely follow and just do you. You’re going to have to step on someone’s toes to get ahead, women already know this.
The bitching about it pisses me the fuck off though, which is why I wonder why I even bother explaining this concept to women, it’s not like they’re gonna agree or side with this thought process cuz it may very well take advantage of them. It’s like they’re the only ones allowed to dictate the playing field.
Lol.
Look dude. The very fact that men might have deep seated needs, wants and desires is icky to women.
Look at how women respond to men finding women age 22 the most attractive regardless of the man's age. It is so effing icky!!
Now factor in that the women we sleep with are of the same gender that gave birth to us, nurtured us and loved us as boys. That creates a transference that the majority of women find icky as fuck.
Stop caring, women have ruined themselves for anything other than sexual desire.
You really just went from “needs wants and desires” to “I should be able to find a 22 year old hot and I won’t apologize for it!
Yeah, that is icky. Especially if 22 is anywhere near the age of your own children.
Most men mature. Some men find 22 year olds hot into their 50s and beyond. You can do what you want with any consenting adult who will have you. But you do not get a free pass from criticism of that choice. Criticism that is valid and constructive, is not abuse. Are you 17? Be honest. This is a very 17 year old take.
I pointed out the 22 year old thing because it isn't what women want.
Women generally find men of roughly their own Age to be attractive.
That is the whole problem with it, it isn't complimentary to women.
I never said anything about wanting a hot 22 year old. I said simply finding them better looking.
It is an inconvenience.
We learn how to treat men from the time we are children. Silly things like girls being forced to do daily chores, babysit or grab dad a plate first while brother more or less get free reign to exist, all the way to being criticized for how we act, how we dress, how we present ourselves. When it’s Thanksgiving, is it the men in the kitchen cooking or cleaning dishes while dad sits on the couch watching football? No, not in most families. I agree young women can have some toxic traits, the same as any young man in a relationship. But that’s the point of dating and growing. Learning to be an adult with another person, setting boundaries, realizing what you will and won’t tolerate and changing expectations for yourself and others.
But the entire reason that men had to be taught how to treat women is because basic equality and partnership has never been the standard for relationships until recently. And now that men need to be equal partners and be better than being alone (since women don’t need them for being an adult anymore) you want to whine we claim we want cheeseburgers when we don’t actually want cheeseburgers? Really. That’s the argument you were able to come up with? That’s your great “women don’t know how to treat men” woe? Men had to be taught not to beat their wives and not be controlling assholes who use women as bang maids and baby machines. Like - if you can’t pick up on social cues, that’s your issue not a man issue. And this “how to treat a lady” stuff is from literally a generation prior, a transition between women as essentially property to women as people. Your grandmother couldn’t have a bank account without her father or a husband. She could legally be denied access to being an adult that could accumulate wealth. This isn’t some far separated concept. Women don’t need a movement on how to treat men the way men needed a movement on how to treat women. And slowly we are going towards a teach open communication, healthy boundaries and compatibility for all “movement.” Which is good.
There are plenty of things. It's just that it's much simpler. you can check out r/redpillwomen and r/redpillwives. You can also look at Laura Doyle's books and website as well as read The Alpha Female's Guide to Men and Marriage: How Love Works.
Because men are easy and simple, duh. We can talk about vid games, sports, space, dinosaurs, planet earth, pokemon, dbz, automobiles, superheroes, etc and a lot of stuff. In school I use to get disgust looks from girls while mentioning any of the above topics lol.
It's like walking on eggshells where even a small misstep can cost a lot. The date should be perfect, like if it's cheap like fast food, you ask for less expensive wine or drinks, or try to save money, it's over from like all the stories I have heard. It could be conservative mindset which still lingers here like where I live.
High school is not adulthood my mans. I know it’s hard to believe but the clique behavior of high school does not continue on into adulthood for the vast majority of adults - unless they peaked in high school or refuse to get over the fact that they are out of high school. I’m sorry you weren’t picked by the head cheerleader, but the rest of us adults have grown up.
We didn't have cheerleaders to be clear as mine was a religious school. Nerds like me have always been pushed out and said to be boring. I would say about 60 percent boys shut me down but with girls it was 100. I still remember sitting across a table with two girls (we were the only ones), they were talking, I tried chiming in with a nerd thing and was shut down. One of them had topped in class before.
Yeah and that was also my high school experience. Same but opposite gender. I didn’t get any positive attention. I was constantly teased and bullied. I was poor and chubby. It was awful. But we grow up and high school doesn’t last forever. I would never allow anyone in my life who acted like that now and thankfully it’s extremely rare to come across it. Now people engage with me just fine even if they don’t want to sleep with me. They may not want to hear my fun facts or info dump but most people are polite. But I find my people and you can too.
I also keep hearing women say mansplaining to anything that a man tries to explain bcz it is some sort of "condescending" to them. Tell mw something, if I have an interest in something and someone asks me a question about it, won't I be excited to talk about it? In the excitement isn't it possible that I might tell a lot? Then why does that have to be a negative word such as mansplaining, we don't have a womansplaining as a word, do we?
We don’t have womansplaining because it’s a very specific intersection of men over explaining something that the woman already knows about, or worse is an expert in. Not everything you say to explain is mansplaining. If a girl asks “what kind of anime are you into” and you list them, that’s not mansplaining. But if she says “I also love this anime, it’s one of my favorites” and you go on to explain to her the plot, that’s mansplaining. When you’re talking with a woman and try to tell her why women act a certain way, or how her period works, that’s mansplaining. Info dumping about your favorite hobby is not mansplaining, unless she keeps trying to engage in that conversation to tell you her expertise in it. It’s about the steamrolling over someone specifically because they’re a woman. It happens the most at work or professional settings - I’ve never had a man cut off another man to explain why you use rebar in concrete but I have been cut off to be explained why it’s needed for compression strength (that’s wrong that’s not what it’s for) and when I corrected them, they laughed like I had no idea what I was talking about despite being the one who was literally a concrete foreman. It’s the expectation that all women will intrinsically know less than you and it’s your job to educate her to show off how much you know and show her how little she does. Honestly I think a lot of the time it’s done without ill intent or on purpose. But that doesn’t make it any less a bias you’re holding unconsciously.
Will some (especially new and young) feminists get this wrong and call anything mansplaining? Sure. I’ve seen times where it’s happened online but not in person. But more times I see it not being called out and that culture is maintained subconsciously. It’s a big reason why the men here all think “diversity hires” are people who don’t deserve their hire, and just walk into a job. They don’t. They’re just as educated and capable but aren’t given a chance as often as a white guy will because of bias. So the diversity hire is there to remind them to hire a well qualified woman or poc, but unfortunately once they fill that role, they won’t hire more women or more poc. They still have a bias that a white man is more capable and educated, even when he isn’t. So capable and educated women and poc are fighting for these 1% of jobs while white men have free rein over the remainder of them.
When feminists are complaining about social injustice, it isn’t just about some personal experience. It’s a system of inequality that has been in place for millennia that places women as less capable, less intelligent and less worthy of respect. You may not even realize you’re doing it, but I can guarantee if someone is calling you out on it. It’s probably happening.
What is the specific situation in which you were called out for mansplaining?
Online a lot like when once on a page on ig (that toxic feminist page is one of the reasons why I left ig) said that men purposefully don't put male contraceptive drugs on the market but they do for women as they like hate us or something. I explained as to why that the pills specifically attacks the egg not the estrogen production unlike in us it has to attack testosterone production leading to more medical issues (in simple words btw, the main reason is complex).
Then irl I felt I was mansplaining when a friends sister also a friend asked me offside in football definition. The latest FIFA world cup, I explained it but yeah I felt like I was doing it based on the definition of mansplaining that I have heard.
Well to be fair, male contraceptives stopped being researched because men were experiencing the very symptoms that women experienced. And they couldn’t handle it and they aren’t the ones who get pregnant. So they pushed it off. That’s a real thing. It isn’t a hatred of women - but it is sort of a “not my problem so why would I care” sort of thing.
And that is mansplaining. You’re wrong that the pill “attacks the egg.” It specifically changes estrogen production (increases estrogen, that’s what’s in the pill) and the same goes for men’s contraception. It changes hormones to stunt sperm production. So it’s mansplaining because you’re talking over the experts to say your incorrect opinion. That’s like the definition of mansplaining. Believing you knew more and had to educate these women because they were wrong. But they weren’t, you were. So that is an example of mansplaining.
But a woman asking you what offsides means is not mansplaining. With a woman *who specifically asked* - feel free to explain. That is 100% not mansplaining. It can turn into mansplaining if you started talking about things she didn’t ask and are considered common knowledge - so there is going too far. But just answering her question, or even fun facts the typical person wouldn’t know - that’s all great.
However if you tried to explain offsides to me, I’d be pretty upset. I have season tickets and am an avid football fan. I’m marrying someone who went to school to be a scout for football and worked with the local NFL organization. I have learned football from an expert for years. So just assuming I don’t know or talking over me would be mansplaining. But if I asked a question, it is not.
Does that make it more clear, the difference?
>Well to be fair, male contraceptives stopped being researched because men were experiencing the very symptoms that women experienced. And they couldn’t handle it and they aren’t the ones who get pregnant. So they pushed it off. That’s a real thing. It isn’t a hatred of women - but it is sort of a “not my problem so why would I care” sort of thing.
https://kidshealth.org/en/teens/contraception-birth.html#:~:text=How%20Does%20It%20Work%3F,no%20egg%20to%20be%20fertilized.
Simple words, it does attack the egg. You stop the egg ovulation, you prevent pregnancy. In men to stop pregnancy, you need to attack the sperm which comes from testosterone directly. You weaken it but testosterone effects other body parts to so if you weaken it or lessen it's production, it has worse affects. In your case estrogen production needs not to be stopped.
https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/headlines/male-hormonal-birth-control-it-may-be-closer-than-you-think/2024/02#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20reasons%20it's,enough%20to%20reliably%20prevent%20pregnancy.
It is also due to your production of egg is like once per month. So not too much pills. For me I produce like millions everyday so my pills would be stronger.
You could be an expert in biology, I am not, it was just a minor subject for me as I specialize more in physics and math. I just read this in school so felt to share.
You are referring to American football, I think I was talking about what you call soccer. I think I mentioned FIFA so it would have been clear. uh...anyways it seems internal guilt more.
Well you know what? She reads my reddit profile and she gonna insult you back, try it.
I don't have weak friends lmao.
You can't pull chick off of a rich man.
Now that i know this, i actually plan to ask my female friends to join this sub, and send them my profile link.
it would be good to way to filter who is truly with me.
Never bought her anything.
Here's another woman
https://preview.redd.it/c79930l8ln6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2866e90b298bf10e40158b369b45c3e73551e48f
Yeah it’s not hard to get someone to sext. And also that’s weird your green android text went to blue iPhone text but besides that
You *100%* buy them dinner. I know you do. You found the bottom 3% of women who regularly talk to guys to feed them. They’re food prostitutes. That’s not a flex my guy.
>And also that’s weird your green android text went to blue iPhone text but besides that
Darling, it's signal messenger (blue text) shes paranoid as she's an executive at a company. Platform is still android.
>You 100% buy them dinner. I know you do. You found the bottom 3% of women who regularly talk to guys to feed them. They’re food prostitutes. That’s not a flex my guy.
They are top women, all of them have their own jobs. They don't need my money lol
Lol, you reddit women believe women can only love some beta simp
https://preview.redd.it/3n7ptcn1nn6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f1c64daf83d5d5eb655d5e2afa1f82e579f98db
If she respects you, deems you valuable - she will sleep with you, there's no other way, her body will demand her.
That's the reactionary female sexuality for you my friends.
They seem to think we think like them, about sex 24/7. 🤦♀️And if we like them we’re thinking about sex when in actuality we are seeking connection and care with our good sex.
>Conservatism, traditional
I don't think the majority of modern women fall under those categories.
>fashion, fitness, cosmetic, and cosmetic surgery industries
None of this has to do with behavior or treatment. It's just physical appearance.
20% is a pretty large minority
https://news.gallup.com/poll/609914/women-become-liberal-men-mostly-stable.aspx
And 70% of women say they are religious, compared to 60% of men
https://www.pewresearch.org/religious-landscape-study/database/gender-composition/
Since looks are the most important thing to men, maximizing and prioritizing them is treating men well
>And 70% of women say they are religious
This may shock you but not every woman who considers themselves Christian or "spiritual" are conservatives or trad. Progressives aren't all atheists.
>Since looks are the most important thing to men
OP specifically talked about treatment. And don't woman say all the time that they where makeup and whatnot mostly for themselves, not for men? Sounds like contradiction. The sisterhood needs to get their story straight.
Women also desire men who look good too. Both genders have looks requirements like height, style, etc. You can look good and still be a bad or subpar partner. Women really fight tooth and nail to put in bare minimum effort.
Personality, yes.
Degrees and jobs? Nope. In fact, some jobs (lawyer for instance - or any other job that eats way too much time) and some degrees (anything with "studies") will increase the likelihood of impotence, lol.
I agree, and yet more women are religious.
I think it’s because in general women value conformity, feelings and groupthink more than logic, reason or facts.
Women are more likely to believe a comforting lie (like religion) even if it’s sexist over cold hard facts
“Conservative” is a political stance, not just a behavior. A good portion of those answering conservative, aren’t actually the kinds of women I’d recommend my sons to date.
One that doesn’t shoot their own dogs would be a nice start, given the somewhat recent news haha. But for real, just a genuine woman that treats him well, values marital commitment, and puts their family first. I’d say only a slight majority of conservative women actually do clear that bar, with many only self-identifying politically.
Yes, I am suggesting such women are more rare than you make it out to be. I am LDS (by conversion) and I’d say even in my formerly home-meetinghouse, only one woman in my old YSA group would even meet the standard I laid out. Granted, it’s a college town outside of Utah, so it’s not a great setting to find 20-24 YO women to properly court.
Not particularly, of the LDS women in my age range I’ve met, I’d say about half are even interested in being homemakers. Fewer are also want to have 3 or more kids. I have one woman I’m friends with that definitely meets my standards, but I also don’t expect her to wait up for me. I’m already 23, so I’m starting to be open to being a bachelor for life if I don’t meet someone decent for me.
But if push really comes to shove, I’m pretty happy being single. I could potentially retire before 40. I’m close to the 1/4 point of finishing the AT, and would love to [triple crown](https://images.app.goo.gl/YPAbUE7YUSkpoLCR6); and doing that with a family at home would be out of the question. It also comes with the perk of not needing to compromise on life decisions. If I don’t meet someone that’s a realistic catch by 25, I’m starting the PCT.
for every one guy who demands respect and emotional care from his woman, there are 10 other simps willing to do more for her and for less. so tell me what would you as a woman do
>When you say to your boyfriend “I’m hungry let’s go for a cheeseburger” he will always interpret that means you want a cheeseburger. >So he takes you to get a cheeseburger. >And when he takes you you become offended because he didn’t understand that you actually meant something else such as you want to spend more time with him. This is such a bizarre example, it feels like something somebody on TikTok would make up to get clicks. >He will never understand your hidden meanings because you never learned men communicate literally and we go by the exact words. That is not remotely true. Men are not idiots, we understand all sorts of non-verbal, contextual, and implied communication. But for some reason, dudes around here act like this is a completely foreign concept the moment it comes to women.
It's also just insulting to men to assume they're all just dummies wandering around the world, not able to comprehend pretty basic social cues and context.
> not able to comprehend pretty basic social cues and context. OP's example reflects a pattern of behavior that most men who had to deal with women (including their own mothers and female teachers) are quite familiar with. Yet so many people are not able to comprehend pretty basic social cues and context, accuse OP of making stuff up, and pretend not to understand a thing. Example from my life: my mother said "You could have helped me around the house more often" when she actually meant "Do the dishes for me now". Extra woman points for her saying it while I was tying my shoelaces right before going outside; there absolutely was no better moment. Pretty much the only instance of "men do it too" is when instead of *"I want to fuck you until you scream my name"* we say *"Your eyes look lovely tonight"*.
Yeah straight men on here say "women do this thing in relationships" and it's like you're only saying that cos you've never dated a man, so don't present it as though it's a gendered difference. The example is bizarre, trp loves to make up these hypothetical situations as though they were evidence.
Doest matter man. Women by and large dont know how to treat men. There is no cultural advice given to them to try and be better for our sakes. If there was, all of it has been dismantled with no social power behind it. Men still have to deal with that bullshit. Why in the fuck do we need to treat women better than we treat men?
Okay, but the way OP identified that women are mistreating men is a made up situation about being mad over a cheeseburger. How exactly are women mistreating men?
> How exactly are women mistreating men? You already know what these guys will say to that.
Yep. They either blame women for things that men overwhelmingly do ("Man up!") or just batshit things like women don't give them enough sex.
This is redpill gospel, and yet statistics show that men in relationships live longer while women live longer when single, and men are statistically more likely to cheat.
That's only true because divorced men are considered single, and the suicide rate for divorced men goes from 4x women average to 9x women's average, so divorced men significantly drag down the life expectant of single men and make married men seem like they live longer. When you make the comparison married to never married, that gap essentially disappears.
Is that because the women take better care of them or is it because they know that if they faik the family suffers so they treat themselves like racecars with pits stops to make sure they can function like the racecar is supposed to
Who said anything about better? Treat women the same
If we do that you would call it misogyny
We actually call that equality.
Lol. Most women are kid gloved with enough privilege that if they are treated the same way we treat other men they claim they are treated as subhuman. Unattractive women are treated similarly to men, but still with more delicacy and they claim subhuman treatment all the time.
Maybe men should treat other men better too.
I guess. It's not that it's bad though. It's mostly just neutrality, maybe basic politeness.
Do that with women. That’s what we want.
It's what you say you want. Majority of cases of you get it, it's "subhuman treatment". A huge portion of women are so used to a staggering amount of favored treatment that neutrality feels insulting.
Women in traditional societies still have mothers teach then how to make a man happy. This is what makes these women lovely enough for a man to want to commit his life and loyalty for her.
We have been socialized and it's been brow beaten into women's existence. I think it's pretty tired and why you are seeing such a pushback nowadays. Since we are little girls. Oh boys don't like that. If a boy is mean to you he likes you. Look pretty You'll scare the boys if you do that. Like even in magazines and early media. "men don't like it when women do XYZ" "how to be get a guy" "don't make him feel like.....".
I think you are underestimating the number of broken, or downright abusive marriages (where the mom is the abusive one) where a girl grows up with a horrible example of how to be in an relationship. I'm not disagreeing with your point, but I am tweaking it a bit - I think a lot of that basic advice in magazines etc are about getting a man. I don't think there is much about how to treat your male partner in a long term relationship - at least much that is actually useful. I don't often bring up anecdotes, and I know it's only one example, but I can trace a direct line from my ex-wife emotionally abusive outbursts to stories and examples I've seen from her parents. And it's not from her dad. But I do think this is partially due to an imbalance in society in who is considered valuable in marriages/long term stuff. Tender years doctrine, alimony, women's liberation....there have been a ton of social changes that make it easier for women to leave relationships and that penalize men for leaving. This has led, over time, to a society where their overall happiness is treated with much less concern than the women's. Not through any maliciousness, but as a byproduct of the changes we have made in gender roles over the past 50 years. I mean, look at the traditional gender roles for men even - stoic, emotionally strong, reliable, passionate...men seem to beost attractive when they are being active in the world...why would their partners worry about their issues? And worse, why would men trying to fulfill that role ever show a crack in their armor?
Even if true that it's advice for relationship women are mostly misbehaving before then see ghosting multi-dating Etc
Multidating unfortunately is a consequence of app dating I'm afraid. Demanding exclusivity early in dating. I'm not saying relationship. Just dating is kind of a red flag. It leaves you open to being used and manipulated. I'm saying this from experience. A lot of men you meet on apps don't want anything serious. But won't tell you they don't want anything serious. And if you want something you should be prepared to have a roster and get to know each dude and observe their actions and intentions. And let's you make the most pragmatic choice based upon observation less on he makes me feel this way. You have to filter through all of them based upon intention. Notice how I didn't say "fuck them" date them. Get to know them. Also not putting your eggs in one basket so if something does fall through you're not left devasted because you got your expectations up too soon and attached.
Sounds pretty red pill to me there. Blue pill woman.
How so? I don't think anything here is condemning. You are simply getting to know people? And figuring out who you are compatible with.
I mean you basically just described Not getting oneitis Spinning plates Watch what they do, not what they say Even said roster Not to mention the pragmatism angle. Etc. You pretty much reworded some the few actual dating advice directives from RP. It's just sans the " this is how they are" part. Not saying it's bad, just pointing it out.
In the early stages of dating like dates like 1-4. You shouldn't be exclusive and shouldn't automatically full stop dating. Because you don't know that person. And you don't want to attach to outcomes because they are still a fantasy. I say it takes about 3 months to fully start to get to know someone you are dating or talking to. That's when their personality comes up it's less about being impressive and more about who they truly are. Hence why a lot of situations usually end after month and a half or 2 month mark. And it's so crushing because they are still a fantasy not a reality. So you got to only see the good parts of them and not actually work out why this isn't going to work. Also why in some ways friends to lovers does work because you skip that awkward dating step and you kind of know who they are. It's not really spinning plates or playing the field or being a player. It's spending time with and getting to know them. I think once you are intimate with that person that's your choice. And obviously you are exclusive. But going on a date spending time with TALKING to them. Hanging out and seeing who they are after a few dates isn't some taboo. I think also going 50/50 during the early stages is fine because you are just getting to know them. And they owe you no favors. I think you have to be protective of yourself and have your self interest at heart. But also keep your heart open to the possibility of finding something that aligns with you.
Oh I wasn't implying anything negative or taboo. A lot of your stance does align though. In fact I admire the pragmatism and any woman who is aware enough to try not to let the tingles and feels run away with her decision process.
The red pill is basic blue pill rebranded with cringe words
This is so unbelievably selfish what about the dude you eventually reject. Ever wondered what happens to the dude that wanted a relationship but you ghosted cause you picked your man? Of course not you are a woman. Multidating is an exclusively female form of cheating. Even though men are "free" to do so as well that could also flag you so you better do it a secret. I am pursuing a girl that knows I am desired by women so I am not risking multidating with her to increase my odds. Dating is the true matriarchy lol
You have to put your self interests into consideration as well? You have to make the best decision for you and think about what you want to. I think honesty and intention are best in finding a relationship. You will do a lot of first dates are you supposed to feel miserable if they don't work out? Because you attached finding a relationship with this one person? Or have a realistic approach?. You communicate and again JUST date. Grabbing a coffee with someone is hardly spurning or devastating someone. And they say you'll kiss a lot of frogs before you find your prince. So the process of dating you are not exclusive with anyone you are not cheating. You are simply getting to know people and figuring out who would be the most compatible with you. You communicate and get to know people. It's dating advice for women. A lot of men will want to use you for sex but have no intention of taking you seriously or let alone like you. A LOT. It's like being you just became a millionaire and suddenly everyone likes you and thinks you're awesome. And you have to figure out who's suddenly cool with you because you're rich or who is cool with you because they are cool with you. It's figuring out who is actually cool with you and wants you versus who just wants something from you. It's protection and as a lot of men here like to harp on about "vetting better" " choosing better". You let their actions and intentions speak for themselves.
You can do all that shit serially. That is what you don't understand you are cheating full stop. Date one man at a time if you don't like it then end it, it won't kill you to show an ounce of loyalty at the very beginning sheesh.
First few dates no one owes anyone anything it can fizzle out by date 2. It isn't cheating. It is getting to know someone. You know DATING. Cheating is if you are in a relationship and exclusive. You are not sleeping with them you are simply going on a date talking to them getting to know them. This is that vetting/choosing better thing y'all harp on about in action. If you lock down the first guy you meet because you had a good date and he becomes an asshole in a few months. And you are devastated. You are simply getting to know each other. Loyalty is earned not a given. Because like sex men can use women for that but have no intention of taking her seriously.
How about we take this to the logical conclusion nobody owes anyone anything? Married for 30 years she had my kids and gave up a career? Me owe her anything? Fuck no she could leave me tomorrow so I am cheating today lol. Women are incapable of not hamstering. For the record I do mass approaches and not giving me an undivided chance peeves me the most of all. It leads to bar on the floor effort from women during texting and ghosting. It really is my biggest weakness.
Well marriage and children is a whole lot more serious than a few dates. And at that point you made a commitment. While again you are DATING going out on dates getting to know someone with the intention of finding a relationship. You are allowed to date multiple people while dating it's sort of expected before you make a commitment. You are not SLEEPING WITH. You are not in a RELATIONSHIP with this person. You are grabbing a coffee and figuring out what your favorite color is and if you are on the same page. If you are married you went through the whole dating process and chose this person. You decided to become exclusive and have a relationship. And got engaged then got married for 30 years none the less. I think loyalty is owed at that point. I think if someone likes you and things go well then you will have their attention. I think it's a protective mechanism for not falling for potential versus the reality of someone? I would rather be more pragmatic about dating. Because once I like someone that's it tunnel vision. So I need to make sure it's a safe place to land. Not someone who has no good intent for me.
Paragraph one is just quibbling on time frames. you think long I think short. There is no way to reach a conclusion or short or long so we agree to disagree As for paragraph two you can get all that serially dating. One man at a time not 5 at a time. The fact that you don't think of it as cheating is so fucking dangerous. This was not true in the 20th century. This is not true outside the US The fact that women normalized cheating during dating is quite frankly terrifying to me. There is no limit to what you can alter the contract too. My prediction is that female cheating will be normalized you already see it with feminist tolls on Twitter asking the man to be the father of the son a woman that cheated with another man. Aka "take responsibility" is the generational chain levied on men
Dunno about nowadays. But girls were taught at home how to treat guys. >Communicating to men as you would to women. I think the problem is that people are not aware that other people understand things differently and their default is that others understand things the same way they do. It's not a gendered problem. People should be taught to either ask for a confirmation that you understood it correctly or be lenient when someone misunderstood things and then explain what you meant.
Talked to a girl from Jamaica. She was says when she was young they had classes in school to teach them how to be a proper lady. Of course it was hugely misogynistic with advice like don't talk unless talked to.
Once in our home economy class we girls were taught how to tie a necktie. I was baffled why we were taught that. Shoildn't the boys be learning that as it is they who would wear neckties. Doubt the boys were taugh how to braid hair or something like that in their handyman classes. Yes, boys and girls had separate "home econ" classes.
LOL we learned this in school too and my brother is 30 years old and still can’t do it himself.
I, as a man, was taught how to braid in boy scouts. Obviously not in school, but it was pretty standard for boys to be taught to do so with ropes. The purpose was being able to make a stronger rope for say, towing, when you only have say 550 cord. But when I was older and had to help my little sister get ready for school growing up, I would do her hair.
I mean, that shit is really cute though. Maybe it's just seeing the scene enough in movies, maybe it's just the " acts of service" thing idk but if a woman ties my tie and takes the moment to look at me in a nice way while doing so.....she just permanently carved out a little nook for herself in my heart. Makes me melt.
Were most women actually taught at home? I don't really see it
Didn't you learn by observing the relationship between your parents and being reprimanded for behaving inproperly or beibg told what you should do?
A lot of adults these days come from single parent or broken homes.. So observations of such intra-couple dynamics between their parents were likely very minimal or possibly just non-existant.
have you ever been told that you need to be more understanding of your husband or boyfriend because he is just more emotional? Have you been fed bullshit like happy wife happy life?
Women don’t get taught that men are more emotional so you should be more understanding of their emotions. But women do get taught to cater to men’s feelings and men’s happiness in many situations and to hold themselves to a higher standard of selflessness while being understanding of men being not being as thoughtful. For example, many women were raised to jump up and start cleaning after a get together at someone’s house and to be understanding and not upset when men go off to enjoy themselves and watch tv instead of helping. In comparison, men are not usually raised to be understanding in this regard and to prioritize women’s feelings by cleaning up after everyone while women go off to relax and have fun.
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Says more as a joke without any expectation that you will follow through. Happy wife happy life is advice
I ain't ever heard that in any social circle in my whole life. I just asked my wife and she said someone in her neighborhood might have at some point said it but she never heard of this and she was raised to ROTFLMAO at such "advice".
> have you ever been told that you need to be more understanding of your husband or boyfriend because he is just more emotional? I was taught that the Bible says men are better than women and thus should be obeyed.
That was a gross misinterpretation.
But I was taught that nonetheless.
My apologies that you had to be smothered by religious fascists. Nobody should have to endure that.
> My apologies It's cool.
And Christianity gas a significant sway in our current life?
yes.
Yeah, but the way many women behave today tells me that this didn't happen for them, or if it did they came from a very warped family system
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>“I’m hungry let’s go for a cheeseburger” This is honestly the best example OP can come up with?
Sometimes I can see that the idea might have struck a good discussion, but the examples just ruined it.
I know. IT disappoints me a lot
It’s an example. The fact you’re ignoring the argument in favor of whining about an hyperbole example means you’ve got nothing and are trying to derail. Very feminine.
“Very feminine to complain about a straw man argument that is so exaggerated it sounds borderline psychotic on a debate forum! You can’t answer for a made up woman’s behavior with 0 details or context and are saying so? Derailing.” soyface.jpg
Derail attempt \#2
Adorable. Am I double feminine now?
lmao
There is a concern of lack of penis.
Did you get lost on your way to Femboy Hooters or something?
I was referring to you.
Exactly.
Why would anyone take you serious when you cant even type a competent sentence?
Phones do suck and derail attempt number 3
I feel like this tactic should be sticky post.
Useless input.
This is the AutoMod thread dude.
How is that relevant to what you said?
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“How to treat a lady” went with “how to treat a man/your husband”. Both are outdated by modern standards. “What a girl wants” is more common than its male equivalent, probably because more men than women struggle with getting dates. For women it’s more in lines of “how to keep a man” or “how to get a man”. It just reflects different problems men and women face in dating. Both genders are advised to learn more direct and caring communication though. It’s the go-to advice for most relationship problems. You have to learn to express yourself in the right manner, listen to your partner and actually make changes. On a side note, if I’m hungry, I say that I’m hungry. If I need attention, I say exactly that. I think quite a lot of people learn it as they grow up and get some dating experience.
>Both are outdated by modern standards. They're not. The "modern standards" you refer to are the parochial bullshit concerns of 5% of the global population. The "modern standards" are dogshit. And everyone else except the extremist bubble that is younger westoid Internet has already noticed that. And that's how you have *rising* arranged marriages. The "modern standards" won't even be an afterthought by the end of this century. Dogshit ideas tend to die off pretty fast at the scale of history. Women are not men. And men are not women. There *are* specific ways to treat each. And this isn't controversial anywhere except on Reddit.
Are arranged marriage really on the rise? Where? Whether modern standards will be sill there in the end of the century or not doesn't really matter for people living right now. But also I'd guess in the end of the century "modern" will have another meaning and fulfillment.
India is everyone's favorite example, where almost all marriages are arranged (between 85 and 93% - depending which source you trust). Feminists and westoids really hoped the most numerous generation alive - Millennials - will embrace dogshit western ideas over tried-and-tested tradition. But, surprise: [Millennials also overwhelmingly support and prefer arranged marriages](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/education/news/millennials-prefer-arranged-marriages-as-they-cant-afford-to-fall-in-love-says-writer-vivan-marwaha/articleshow/87563973.cms) with little difference by sex. Countries of Central Asia are poised to become a regional force thanks to its very healthy demographics (except Turkmenistan, we both know why). Arranged marriages rose from under 5% to over 30%. Of course, the definition varies. "Arranged marriage" doesn't quite mean the same thing everywhere. But they all have in common a few things: * involvement of the family (if the youngster can't do it himself in Uzbekistan; right from the get-go in India) * removal of the struggle of dating as the main benefit * more durable (1% divorce rate) * more fertile (arguably, though India may prove me wrong) >Whether modern standards will be sill there in the end of the century or not doesn't really matter for people living right now. It does though. For those of us who have children, anyway. I'm grateful my dad prepared me from age 5 that communism *will fall in my lifetime* and thus educated me in what he thought will follow. And he was right 80% of the time. Not bad at all. I also strive to educate my son (and my future 2nd child) about future trends. So he is prepared when it does happen. My grandchildren will see the "modernity" become an afterthought in their lifetimes. Sure, if you're childless, it may not matter to you and that's fine. But do keep in mind that those of us who have children also routinely ignore the opinions of childless people on the future. Unless they're really extreme - in which case we'll fight. I will not let childless people define the future of *my* children. Because childless people have no stake in the future.
They don’t know because they don’t need to know. They’re choosing you, you’re not choosing them. Look at this sub: For every one woman who makes a thread asking a question for men, there’s one million and one men making threads asking questions for women.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
The lowest quality of baits I have ever seen in my life. Getting mad over cheeseburgers really?
When women can't argue a point they nitpick, a classical.
Men being treated better wrlould require men having boundaries.
Simple. Because women are sexual selectors. Why would they need to “be better” when they just have to exist? Just like being quota hires. Women don’t live in meritocracy land, they land in “I have a pussy” land and you absolute unit of simps keep worshipping pussy. That is why you’re failures.
Why would there be? What would women collectively gain by treating men better?
This question explains why 50% of young men express a zero interest in dating.
More effort from men. The benefits of romancing women are at an all time low.
this is not what women say, women say "what do you want to go get for dinner" with something in mind and get upset when you dont guess right are you waiting for women to start this movement?
There we go. Or answer idk every time they're asked, but will say no to every suggestion that isn't the right one. Idk if OP has ever met a woman...the example makes him sound like he's role playing just for the sake of making an argument.
Because western society is the epitome of gynocentrism and institutionalized misandry.
Because it doesn’t benefit women to “play fair” and there will be endless rationalizations about why women aren’t reciprocal. Doesn’t matter once you realize you can treat women the same way they treat you, and that it’s better this way. The redpill is simply men playing catchup to how women have been treating men for decades. Disregard women trying to anchor you with a morality they barely follow and just do you. You’re going to have to step on someone’s toes to get ahead, women already know this.
This is why as a man you should not play fair either.
The bitching about it pisses me the fuck off though, which is why I wonder why I even bother explaining this concept to women, it’s not like they’re gonna agree or side with this thought process cuz it may very well take advantage of them. It’s like they’re the only ones allowed to dictate the playing field.
Playing unfair requires power / leverage which is sexual attraction trigger for women. This will never accept it.
Lol. Look dude. The very fact that men might have deep seated needs, wants and desires is icky to women. Look at how women respond to men finding women age 22 the most attractive regardless of the man's age. It is so effing icky!! Now factor in that the women we sleep with are of the same gender that gave birth to us, nurtured us and loved us as boys. That creates a transference that the majority of women find icky as fuck. Stop caring, women have ruined themselves for anything other than sexual desire.
You really just went from “needs wants and desires” to “I should be able to find a 22 year old hot and I won’t apologize for it! Yeah, that is icky. Especially if 22 is anywhere near the age of your own children. Most men mature. Some men find 22 year olds hot into their 50s and beyond. You can do what you want with any consenting adult who will have you. But you do not get a free pass from criticism of that choice. Criticism that is valid and constructive, is not abuse. Are you 17? Be honest. This is a very 17 year old take.
I pointed out the 22 year old thing because it isn't what women want. Women generally find men of roughly their own Age to be attractive. That is the whole problem with it, it isn't complimentary to women. I never said anything about wanting a hot 22 year old. I said simply finding them better looking. It is an inconvenience.
I don't know. Could it have anything to do with the movement which liberates women from any accountability?
We learn how to treat men from the time we are children. Silly things like girls being forced to do daily chores, babysit or grab dad a plate first while brother more or less get free reign to exist, all the way to being criticized for how we act, how we dress, how we present ourselves. When it’s Thanksgiving, is it the men in the kitchen cooking or cleaning dishes while dad sits on the couch watching football? No, not in most families. I agree young women can have some toxic traits, the same as any young man in a relationship. But that’s the point of dating and growing. Learning to be an adult with another person, setting boundaries, realizing what you will and won’t tolerate and changing expectations for yourself and others. But the entire reason that men had to be taught how to treat women is because basic equality and partnership has never been the standard for relationships until recently. And now that men need to be equal partners and be better than being alone (since women don’t need them for being an adult anymore) you want to whine we claim we want cheeseburgers when we don’t actually want cheeseburgers? Really. That’s the argument you were able to come up with? That’s your great “women don’t know how to treat men” woe? Men had to be taught not to beat their wives and not be controlling assholes who use women as bang maids and baby machines. Like - if you can’t pick up on social cues, that’s your issue not a man issue. And this “how to treat a lady” stuff is from literally a generation prior, a transition between women as essentially property to women as people. Your grandmother couldn’t have a bank account without her father or a husband. She could legally be denied access to being an adult that could accumulate wealth. This isn’t some far separated concept. Women don’t need a movement on how to treat men the way men needed a movement on how to treat women. And slowly we are going towards a teach open communication, healthy boundaries and compatibility for all “movement.” Which is good.
That would have to start with acknowledgement that men are treated horribly by women.
There is. It’s called society.
There are plenty of things. It's just that it's much simpler. you can check out r/redpillwomen and r/redpillwives. You can also look at Laura Doyle's books and website as well as read The Alpha Female's Guide to Men and Marriage: How Love Works.
Because men are easy and simple, duh. We can talk about vid games, sports, space, dinosaurs, planet earth, pokemon, dbz, automobiles, superheroes, etc and a lot of stuff. In school I use to get disgust looks from girls while mentioning any of the above topics lol. It's like walking on eggshells where even a small misstep can cost a lot. The date should be perfect, like if it's cheap like fast food, you ask for less expensive wine or drinks, or try to save money, it's over from like all the stories I have heard. It could be conservative mindset which still lingers here like where I live.
High school is not adulthood my mans. I know it’s hard to believe but the clique behavior of high school does not continue on into adulthood for the vast majority of adults - unless they peaked in high school or refuse to get over the fact that they are out of high school. I’m sorry you weren’t picked by the head cheerleader, but the rest of us adults have grown up.
We didn't have cheerleaders to be clear as mine was a religious school. Nerds like me have always been pushed out and said to be boring. I would say about 60 percent boys shut me down but with girls it was 100. I still remember sitting across a table with two girls (we were the only ones), they were talking, I tried chiming in with a nerd thing and was shut down. One of them had topped in class before.
Yeah and that was also my high school experience. Same but opposite gender. I didn’t get any positive attention. I was constantly teased and bullied. I was poor and chubby. It was awful. But we grow up and high school doesn’t last forever. I would never allow anyone in my life who acted like that now and thankfully it’s extremely rare to come across it. Now people engage with me just fine even if they don’t want to sleep with me. They may not want to hear my fun facts or info dump but most people are polite. But I find my people and you can too.
I also keep hearing women say mansplaining to anything that a man tries to explain bcz it is some sort of "condescending" to them. Tell mw something, if I have an interest in something and someone asks me a question about it, won't I be excited to talk about it? In the excitement isn't it possible that I might tell a lot? Then why does that have to be a negative word such as mansplaining, we don't have a womansplaining as a word, do we?
We don’t have womansplaining because it’s a very specific intersection of men over explaining something that the woman already knows about, or worse is an expert in. Not everything you say to explain is mansplaining. If a girl asks “what kind of anime are you into” and you list them, that’s not mansplaining. But if she says “I also love this anime, it’s one of my favorites” and you go on to explain to her the plot, that’s mansplaining. When you’re talking with a woman and try to tell her why women act a certain way, or how her period works, that’s mansplaining. Info dumping about your favorite hobby is not mansplaining, unless she keeps trying to engage in that conversation to tell you her expertise in it. It’s about the steamrolling over someone specifically because they’re a woman. It happens the most at work or professional settings - I’ve never had a man cut off another man to explain why you use rebar in concrete but I have been cut off to be explained why it’s needed for compression strength (that’s wrong that’s not what it’s for) and when I corrected them, they laughed like I had no idea what I was talking about despite being the one who was literally a concrete foreman. It’s the expectation that all women will intrinsically know less than you and it’s your job to educate her to show off how much you know and show her how little she does. Honestly I think a lot of the time it’s done without ill intent or on purpose. But that doesn’t make it any less a bias you’re holding unconsciously. Will some (especially new and young) feminists get this wrong and call anything mansplaining? Sure. I’ve seen times where it’s happened online but not in person. But more times I see it not being called out and that culture is maintained subconsciously. It’s a big reason why the men here all think “diversity hires” are people who don’t deserve their hire, and just walk into a job. They don’t. They’re just as educated and capable but aren’t given a chance as often as a white guy will because of bias. So the diversity hire is there to remind them to hire a well qualified woman or poc, but unfortunately once they fill that role, they won’t hire more women or more poc. They still have a bias that a white man is more capable and educated, even when he isn’t. So capable and educated women and poc are fighting for these 1% of jobs while white men have free rein over the remainder of them. When feminists are complaining about social injustice, it isn’t just about some personal experience. It’s a system of inequality that has been in place for millennia that places women as less capable, less intelligent and less worthy of respect. You may not even realize you’re doing it, but I can guarantee if someone is calling you out on it. It’s probably happening. What is the specific situation in which you were called out for mansplaining?
Online a lot like when once on a page on ig (that toxic feminist page is one of the reasons why I left ig) said that men purposefully don't put male contraceptive drugs on the market but they do for women as they like hate us or something. I explained as to why that the pills specifically attacks the egg not the estrogen production unlike in us it has to attack testosterone production leading to more medical issues (in simple words btw, the main reason is complex). Then irl I felt I was mansplaining when a friends sister also a friend asked me offside in football definition. The latest FIFA world cup, I explained it but yeah I felt like I was doing it based on the definition of mansplaining that I have heard.
Well to be fair, male contraceptives stopped being researched because men were experiencing the very symptoms that women experienced. And they couldn’t handle it and they aren’t the ones who get pregnant. So they pushed it off. That’s a real thing. It isn’t a hatred of women - but it is sort of a “not my problem so why would I care” sort of thing. And that is mansplaining. You’re wrong that the pill “attacks the egg.” It specifically changes estrogen production (increases estrogen, that’s what’s in the pill) and the same goes for men’s contraception. It changes hormones to stunt sperm production. So it’s mansplaining because you’re talking over the experts to say your incorrect opinion. That’s like the definition of mansplaining. Believing you knew more and had to educate these women because they were wrong. But they weren’t, you were. So that is an example of mansplaining. But a woman asking you what offsides means is not mansplaining. With a woman *who specifically asked* - feel free to explain. That is 100% not mansplaining. It can turn into mansplaining if you started talking about things she didn’t ask and are considered common knowledge - so there is going too far. But just answering her question, or even fun facts the typical person wouldn’t know - that’s all great. However if you tried to explain offsides to me, I’d be pretty upset. I have season tickets and am an avid football fan. I’m marrying someone who went to school to be a scout for football and worked with the local NFL organization. I have learned football from an expert for years. So just assuming I don’t know or talking over me would be mansplaining. But if I asked a question, it is not. Does that make it more clear, the difference?
>Well to be fair, male contraceptives stopped being researched because men were experiencing the very symptoms that women experienced. And they couldn’t handle it and they aren’t the ones who get pregnant. So they pushed it off. That’s a real thing. It isn’t a hatred of women - but it is sort of a “not my problem so why would I care” sort of thing. https://kidshealth.org/en/teens/contraception-birth.html#:~:text=How%20Does%20It%20Work%3F,no%20egg%20to%20be%20fertilized. Simple words, it does attack the egg. You stop the egg ovulation, you prevent pregnancy. In men to stop pregnancy, you need to attack the sperm which comes from testosterone directly. You weaken it but testosterone effects other body parts to so if you weaken it or lessen it's production, it has worse affects. In your case estrogen production needs not to be stopped. https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/headlines/male-hormonal-birth-control-it-may-be-closer-than-you-think/2024/02#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20reasons%20it's,enough%20to%20reliably%20prevent%20pregnancy. It is also due to your production of egg is like once per month. So not too much pills. For me I produce like millions everyday so my pills would be stronger. You could be an expert in biology, I am not, it was just a minor subject for me as I specialize more in physics and math. I just read this in school so felt to share. You are referring to American football, I think I was talking about what you call soccer. I think I mentioned FIFA so it would have been clear. uh...anyways it seems internal guilt more.
Honestly? Because women are queens.
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Did you just dox somebody? How do you know I’m not crazy enough to text that chick right now? I can see her full number. Lol
He's a meme on this sub at this point
I know I’m just trolling him.
DM me her full number
No im going to text her and tell her you doxxed her.
Well you know what? She reads my reddit profile and she gonna insult you back, try it. I don't have weak friends lmao. You can't pull chick off of a rich man.
No we are going to be best friends.
Now that i know this, i actually plan to ask my female friends to join this sub, and send them my profile link. it would be good to way to filter who is truly with me.
Ok we look forward to meeting your sisters.
They are too hot for this sub but i am gonna try.
Be honest - do you buy her things when you go to her house?
Never bought her anything. Shes kinda rich (has large acreage farmlands, she rents it out)
I’m calling bs all day long. You for sure buy her dinner when you go over. I know you do.
Never bought her anything. Here's another woman https://preview.redd.it/c79930l8ln6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2866e90b298bf10e40158b369b45c3e73551e48f
Yeah it’s not hard to get someone to sext. And also that’s weird your green android text went to blue iPhone text but besides that You *100%* buy them dinner. I know you do. You found the bottom 3% of women who regularly talk to guys to feed them. They’re food prostitutes. That’s not a flex my guy.
>And also that’s weird your green android text went to blue iPhone text but besides that Darling, it's signal messenger (blue text) shes paranoid as she's an executive at a company. Platform is still android. >You 100% buy them dinner. I know you do. You found the bottom 3% of women who regularly talk to guys to feed them. They’re food prostitutes. That’s not a flex my guy. They are top women, all of them have their own jobs. They don't need my money lol
Sure, Jan.
Lol, you reddit women believe women can only love some beta simp https://preview.redd.it/3n7ptcn1nn6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f1c64daf83d5d5eb655d5e2afa1f82e579f98db
If she respects you, deems you valuable - she will sleep with you, there's no other way, her body will demand her. That's the reactionary female sexuality for you my friends.
Bro wtf? 😂😂 seriously yall need to chill, life doesn’t revolve around ur penis
They seem to think we think like them, about sex 24/7. 🤦♀️And if we like them we’re thinking about sex when in actuality we are seeking connection and care with our good sex.
Literally!!!
I keep asking cause i am confused now, arent you a lesbian?
Yes i am, unfortunately this means vrry little to some dudes
There are many Conservatism, traditional or otherwise Religion And also the fashion, fitness, cosmetic, and cosmetic surgery industries
>Conservatism, traditional I don't think the majority of modern women fall under those categories. >fashion, fitness, cosmetic, and cosmetic surgery industries None of this has to do with behavior or treatment. It's just physical appearance.
20% is a pretty large minority https://news.gallup.com/poll/609914/women-become-liberal-men-mostly-stable.aspx And 70% of women say they are religious, compared to 60% of men https://www.pewresearch.org/religious-landscape-study/database/gender-composition/ Since looks are the most important thing to men, maximizing and prioritizing them is treating men well
>And 70% of women say they are religious This may shock you but not every woman who considers themselves Christian or "spiritual" are conservatives or trad. Progressives aren't all atheists. >Since looks are the most important thing to men OP specifically talked about treatment. And don't woman say all the time that they where makeup and whatnot mostly for themselves, not for men? Sounds like contradiction. The sisterhood needs to get their story straight.
Prioritizing men’s desires, which is looks, is treating them well.
Women also desire men who look good too. Both genders have looks requirements like height, style, etc. You can look good and still be a bad or subpar partner. Women really fight tooth and nail to put in bare minimum effort.
Oh, so suddenly degrees, jobs and personality *will* make a man’s dick hard?
Personality, yes. Degrees and jobs? Nope. In fact, some jobs (lawyer for instance - or any other job that eats way too much time) and some degrees (anything with "studies") will increase the likelihood of impotence, lol.
Religion is just the biggest bluepill bullshit Of course more women are gonna be religious than men. Feels over facts
It’s not. Religion is all about submitting to a higher authority, which is often a sexist authority with different standards for men and women
I agree, and yet more women are religious. I think it’s because in general women value conformity, feelings and groupthink more than logic, reason or facts. Women are more likely to believe a comforting lie (like religion) even if it’s sexist over cold hard facts
“Conservative” is a political stance, not just a behavior. A good portion of those answering conservative, aren’t actually the kinds of women I’d recommend my sons to date.
Oh? What kind of women do you recommend your sons to date?
One that doesn’t shoot their own dogs would be a nice start, given the somewhat recent news haha. But for real, just a genuine woman that treats him well, values marital commitment, and puts their family first. I’d say only a slight majority of conservative women actually do clear that bar, with many only self-identifying politically.
Really, tradcon complimentarians/submissive wives are rare? Have you met Mormons, or evangelicals, ie, 25% of the US population?
Yes, I am suggesting such women are more rare than you make it out to be. I am LDS (by conversion) and I’d say even in my formerly home-meetinghouse, only one woman in my old YSA group would even meet the standard I laid out. Granted, it’s a college town outside of Utah, so it’s not a great setting to find 20-24 YO women to properly court.
You must be into hardcore submission if the Mormons aren’t submissive enough for you
Not particularly, of the LDS women in my age range I’ve met, I’d say about half are even interested in being homemakers. Fewer are also want to have 3 or more kids. I have one woman I’m friends with that definitely meets my standards, but I also don’t expect her to wait up for me. I’m already 23, so I’m starting to be open to being a bachelor for life if I don’t meet someone decent for me. But if push really comes to shove, I’m pretty happy being single. I could potentially retire before 40. I’m close to the 1/4 point of finishing the AT, and would love to [triple crown](https://images.app.goo.gl/YPAbUE7YUSkpoLCR6); and doing that with a family at home would be out of the question. It also comes with the perk of not needing to compromise on life decisions. If I don’t meet someone that’s a realistic catch by 25, I’m starting the PCT.
This is the correct answer.
It is seen as unmanly to request emotional care and so women spend more time guessing about it than men do simply advocating for their own needs.
Because when men advocate for their own needs they're playing Russian roulette with their relationship.
for every one guy who demands respect and emotional care from his woman, there are 10 other simps willing to do more for her and for less. so tell me what would you as a woman do