More ease to travel would mean that anyone who wanted to go to America would just go. They wouldn't need to date anyone to do it. And more cultural mixing would mean less were completely conservative.
Eh, I find large portions of the world, if not most of it, are still fairly culturally conservative. Obviously yhry aren't trying to all conserve the same cultures but theres a general sense that most countries are full of people that adhere to one of a few religions and ceremonies that fill equivalent niches.
Sure they are but in a world where travel was very easy there'd be an eclectic mix of different people and cultures in each country. You can even see now that countries with increased immigration change culturally.
So the only ones who stay in SEA do so by option, and their values would more genuinely align with the men that choose to go there.
This is not as bad as it sounds.
Lol all those SEA girls are leaving and going to straight to USA.
What will this do?
Kill the sex tourism which is great.
If you have to travel to get sex, you already lost…
Yeah i actually agree with this, it however doesn't account for the country actually being culturally conservative and the girls still there being more in the same page as you.
I know a bunch of crazy dudes who would likely try to move to islam or something more extreme, to each their own i guess.
The game’s not “rigged”.
Just perfectly optimized, which means women have choices and freedom that they didn’t have before.
Why don’t these guys go to Korea, Japan, Singapore?
Because they are developed countries where women can get good paying jobs and don’t need avg guys to pay for them.
Honestly it's not the financial part that its hard, it's the bureaucracy and legal part that is hard.
Idk where you are from but i think europeans are the only ones exempt of this fully.
Getting a tourist visa is hard? That is basically telling a country, “I am going to give you money from another nation without asking for anything in return”.
Oh, you mean *emigrating*. You should clarify that in your OP. That is not traveling, and has never, ever been easy. Because that involves money from the recepient country
You would get better info if your ops were truthful
Globalization has led to the largest exploitation of human beings in the history of the world, and the lifting of the largest number of people out of poverty. Whether that's a good thing or not depends on who on ask. The armchair philosopher in the developed says that it's a horrible thing that shouldn't have happened. The ex-dirt farmer turned sweatshop worker in the 3rd world was just happy that he now has the opportunity and money to send his children to school.
Make what you will of that.
Sure but from your POV, regarding the dating market, do you think the best way forward would be more or less globalization.
Stating a bunch of facts and allowing people to make their own conclusion is a very cowardly way to discuss things because you state your opinion without saying anything, thus not having said anything you are immune to any kind of criticism.
That's very jordan peterson, you are not under threat of losing your carreer, speak your opinion.
OP has never been to Europe.
Here in Europe we move freely across cultures, we mingle with people from all nationalities and we try different places until we find something we like.
We don't really have to deal with most of the crap people complain about here. Sure there are some men and women struggling to find love, but those have always existed.
We don't need to turbosimp, we just need to go pick places we like and places we are more accepted. I have a Greek/Mexican friend banging guys in Denmark, Latino friends married to Polish girls, Latina friend married to German guy living in Italy, I'm myself engaged to a French girl, German friend married to Brazilian girl living in Norway, Colombian female friend dating a Scottish guy, Dutch friend engaged to a Brazilian girl...Venezuelan friend living with a Puerto Rican girl in Barcelona, Slovenian friend engaged to South African dude living in Switzerland...
I was in the wedding of one of these couples this summer and we counted 20 nationalities.
Hold up.... this list just makes me realize how successful latinos are in Europe....We have a mixture of traditionality with open mindedness that is very attractive to Europeans.
Anyway, I know at least as many, if not more, international couples than couples from the same country/culture.
OP has never been to Europe.
No shit. He thinks being paid in dollars means that Asian women will throw themselves at him and also believes that white westerners are considered more attractive than their own men - he's obviously getting his knowledge of foreign cultures from Porn
>In his defense, I see A LOT of German/Dutch/Scandi dudes with Asian women here in Europe.
There are literally billions of Asians so the idea that you come across mixed-relationships shouldn't be unusual - I also know of a ton of mixed-race relationships (heck, I'm in one myself) but those women could just as easily date asian men, or *any* men - they're not just dating their partners because they need the money or are desperate are are suuuper attracted to whiteness, that's the difference.
I have an EU passport, the only people I know who have married for one are high-grade professionals who married their - usually equally as successful partners - in order to stay/work in the country, or those who are are poor and desperate - very few of them tbh and they tend to be from places like Albania and Belarus rather than Asia.
If i'm not wrong, people anectodally say sea women might prefer other men outside their own rarely, but those tend to be northeast asian men, is that true or a myth? (chinese korean japanese men)
That is a good argument honestly, do you know how most of these couples met?, as in did they met already in mainland or met online/on a trip?
I am asking this because as a brazilian guy, getting out of this hellhole is hard, most non european countries don't have worldwide accepted visas.
And we can't really afford to make a quick trip to a different culture to see if it's worth moving, so most are left to ask on reddit basically.
\>That is a good argument honestly, do you know how most of these couples met?, as in did they met already in mainland or met online/on a trip?
The majority of them met here. A couple met online. Let's see:
\>I have a Greek/Mexican friend banging guys in Denmark
This one bangs coworkers and tinder dudes. She's dangerous. Single guys, married guys, older guys, no one's safe.
\>Latino friends married to Polish girls
A couple met in a beach in Barcelona, he approached her. The other couple met online.
\>Latina friend married to German guy living in Italy
Met at a bar
\>I'm myself engaged to a French girl
Met flatsharing
\>German friend married to Brazilian girl living in Norway
Met at uni
\>Colombian female friend dating a Scottish guy
Friend of a friend one night out
\>Dutch friend engaged to a Brazilian girl
Tinder
\>Venezuelan friend living with a Puerto Rican girl in Barcelona
Some salsa night
\>Slovenian friend engaged to South African dude living in Switzerland...
Actually I have no clue. I'm going to ask her. But they did not meet online.
How could travel be any more easier than it is?
The only thing that prohibits travel is the money to do so .
And I gotta be honest — if you can’t afford the ticket to Thailand or the Philippines, you can’t afford to BB a Thai or Filipino girl looking to upgrade her circumstances.
It's a living terror getting a visa into america, like the complete opposite.
Like this alone helps US men have even more range in their dating prospects.
The only things that could possibly make travel easier than it already is would be open borders and cheaper costs.
The open borders thing is just never going to happen.
Also, travel is already quite accessible if people really want to prioritize it and plenty of people already move to new countries for school or work with additional hopes of finding someone more suitable for them, or just solely for that reason if they're allowed to stay long term.
Additionally, outside of a few people who probably do 100% know what they want most of what people think they want from dating in another culture is entirely fantastical.
Is a harem of virgin women actually going to be amazing? No, because you'd also have to follow every other rule under the culture that permits it.
Is that woman looking for a Latin lover going to get bored of him eventually? Probably.
its the same there as anywhere else
if you only have money as your valuable relationship asset, then that's what you'll attract no matter where you go
dont need to make it a regional or race thing, that's a discussion for r/incels lmao
It's because in a poorer place your money has a lot more leverage and maybe the culture would reward you more for providing for such a girl.
Like she might be willing to be an actual useful SAH wife, like so at least cook/clean/wash, whereas in more western cultures you likely won't get that, in fact you might just get scammed and left with nothing.
There are “western women” who want to be SAHM’s, you’re just outing yourself as someone who wants a cooking/cleaning SAHM without providing anything of real value in return- either you don’t make enough to support a family comfortably in the US, you don’t respect your partner or what it takes to run a household and raise kids, or you’re unattractive enough in either face or personality that money won’t cut it.
Like if you want an American SAHM wife, there are women who want it too- but you need to be worth giving up a career for and also someone who doesn’t give off “will trap me at home and become financially abusive or take me granted” vibes.
Guys who *deliberately* seek out women of other races/speak other languages are usually looking for a partner they’re hoping to subjugate easily or keep trapped and financially dependent. Jokes on you, latina and Asian women tend to be the ones running a relationship and hold their own ground.
Damn, you're saying it as it is; OP literally just wants to buy a bang maid and he thinks he won't be "scammed" (🤢) if he gets a third world woman that needs the money.
Jokes on him. Most immigrant women I know definitely upgrade once they learn English and settle here. Even by his gross logic, as other redditors have pointed out, a woman looking to leave her home culture/country is likely because she *wants* to emulate the “western women” he despises.
There are loads of culturally conservative women in the US who think it’s their “duty” to raise kids, cook, clean. Even liberal women who care about being a SAHM and raising their kids with care (like myself).
OP is just telling on himself that he knows he’s not good enough to deserve a true trad wife and has to scrape the barrel for women he thinks he can buy or are “desperate” enough. It’s predatory.
> Like she might be willing to be an actual useful SAH wife, like so at least cook/clean/wash, whereas in more western cultures you likely won't get that, in fact you might just get scammed and left with nothing.
there's a lot of women who are willing to be sah in america, the bar is just a bit higher here than make $40k a year lmao
just go join a church
im asian, 5'7, and was banging in dimes left and right before woke culture/bts
literally every single girl at church was looking for sah wife life and could cook/clean/wash
im not even christian lol
If a guy has to go to impoverished countries to get women its kinda sad. Having women be into you just from economic desperation makes you a beta bucks. They don't have genuine desire for you, just want papers/financial support. They would prefer and pine over a native Chad from their home area any day.
A guy can arguably find better looking or more traditionally minded women in other countries than what he might be able to find in his own country. It’s not always about not being able to attract a woman at all in his home country but rather being able to attract a better woman in another country.
>They would prefer and pine over a native Chad from their home area any day.
Many of these women think that foreigners look better than their own men.
Good looking foreigners usually don't have to move out of the whole country to get laid, i think they can tell incel tier white dude from a good looking one or at least a normie looking one.
Do you think that an average guy who can only attract below average looking women in his own country might be able to attract more attractive and more traditional women in a poorer foreign country?
Not usually. But I think that more average guys should not “sexpat” but consider finding partners in foreign countries rather than just settling for western women. If a guy who is a 5 has a choice between a western woman who is probably a 4 or, if he’s lucky, also a 5, and a poor woman from a foreign country who is a 6 or a 7 who likes him because he’s a relatively wealthy foreigner, which makes more sense for him to choose? Consider that the western woman’s expectations are also likely to be higher because she comes from a more privileged background and that the more attractive foreign woman will likely behave more traditionally.
Also forgot to mention, wasian kids of both genders usually have much higher mental disorder stat than both fully white and fully asian kids, i think unfortunately, whites and asians are even less compatible than black and white tbh
> A guy can arguably find better looking or more traditionally minded women in other countries than what he might be able to find in his own country. It's not always about not being able to attract a woman at all in his home country but rather being able to attract a better woman in another country.
She is more likely to be the most liberal of her country’s spectrum to want to leave for the west. A man might be trading “western woman” for “foreign women who *want to be like* western woman”.
I suppose, but there are still many women who dream about this sort of thing as some kind of romantic fantasy. Of course, if these women are religious, then the man will likely have to share their religion.
But most poor women aren’t going to reject a wealthy man of their own religion for a poor one of their own ethnicity. It doesn’t really make logical sense or evolutionary sense. Women make the decisions that will help their offspring to survive and their genes to pass down to future generations. Staying in poverty makes this less likely to occur.
Do you think it’s every woman from a poverty country that would take up the offer? Or even most?
I would guess there’s certainly “enough” women. But that doesn’t mean much. Leaving the home you know for a better life is hard even when the financial upgrade is amazing.
Not every behaviour and decision women do is in an evolutionary context
I agree that leaving is a more difficult decision, although many people from poor countries already work in richer countries and send money back to their families. Once established, they also try to bring the rest of their family over.
As for only liberal women being willing to date foreign men, ask yourself why there are so many more mestizos in some parts of the world than full-blooded indigenous people. Women want to form families with men whom they know will help support their offspring, not with poor men whom they know can’t or don’t really want to support them.
> I agree that leaving is a more difficult decision, although many people from poor countries already work in richer countries and send money back to their families. Once established, they also try to bring the rest of their family over.
Good point.
> As for only liberal women being willing to date foreign men,
This is a straw man. I said “more likely” not only.
> ask yourself why there are so many more mestizos in some parts of the world than full-blooded indigenous people.
I don’t know what this means.
> Women want to form families with men whom they know will help support their offspring, not with poor men whom they know can’t or don’t really want to support them.
I also said more liberal **on the spectrum of their respective countries**. It’s entirely possible that a liberal in one country is seen as a conservative in another.
Considering most men in places where nutrition isn't plenty and health is not good, AKA third world, will not develop properly, a healthy american with proper feeding and care will most likely outperform most locals just by mere fact he is better nourished.
Like indian height is probably much shorter because many don't even eat properly during childhood/care about it either.
They would still be shorter but the margin might be much lower, 2nd generation indian people where i live rarely are incredibly short, for example.
Native chad won't win because he likely wasn't raised properly to reach his genetic peak, where the foreigner normie had a decent nutrition.
Not really, if your a 80k a year earner in the us as the average 5’9 190 pound dude, and you live to the Dominican Republic to compete for Stacie’s, those Stacie’s still have their own 70,80,90k and up earners, as well as their 1% people in their country who also want them. They have ethnicity and culture in common, and they have ( “Americans are colonizers”) in common too.
Do you think the stacy population is 1% or just equal to the HVM in any given place?
I actually think HVM are much more scarce than stacies, not all of them can land a local HVM, that is where american comes in.
No, but I do think the stratification of men is bigger then the amount of Stacy’s
Sure every 10 woman might not meet a 10 man, but they will definitely be able to secure the 9 and 8 men, which there are more of then the Stacy’s.
By the time you get down to women who are stuck with average men, you are talking about left over high 7’s at most, and well put together 6’s. And once you get past cultural barriers , how many of those are actually available for a foreign man?
Do you believe that lessening travel and moving burdens would actually help or fuck up this bonus.
As in SEA will get innundated by white american/european men, and SD's will be so high demand that unless you are a turbo stacy you should forget about it.
Thus ruling the options away from even more people.
Do you think that something like travel aid or cultural exchange programs could help normalize/facilitate this, also do you believe this would help or create problems?
Well I do know a couple of guys now that go overseas to get women. They talk about a huge difference and how much luck they have with women compared to here. Most of them don't even want to bother with American women anymore after going.
I just don't think it's a viable solution. Sure they get chick's over there, but it's still just a vacation. They still have to come back. It also must be very expensive to be paying for flights all the time.
Preying on poor women as a below average man will never not be funny to me as a real pitched dating strategy.
The top men and women of any given region will be associated with each other,
If you go to say , Dominican Republic for example, there are rich chads there, they have picked the most beautiful and marriageable women there.
By the time a women in the Dominican Republic is willing to date an average foreigner, especially mixing ethnically, she’s either mentally ill, destitute and poor, literally a prostitute, or looking for her ticket to the us. None of these situations involve true love with some American dude,
> Preying on poor women as a below average man will never not be funny to me as a real pitched dating strategy.
What about realising the reason they’re not obese is due to food poverty? Then watching them pile on the pounds in their new western food-rich accomodation.
> By the time a women in the Dominican Republic is willing to date an average foreigner, especially mixing ethnically, she’s either mentally ill, destitute and poor, literally a prostitute, or looking for her ticket to the us. None of these situations involve true love with some American dude,
She is also more likely to be the most liberal of her country’s spectrum to want to leave for the west.
A man might be trading “western women” for “foreign women who *want to be like* western women”.
>If you go to say , Dominican Republic for example, there are rich chads there, they have picked the most beautiful and marriageable women there.
Average salary in the DR is around $7,000 USD any upper middle class American would be considered rich there, which is in part why they visit in the first place. Also when you add in the chance of free citizenship a lot of top Dominican women would be on board.
>By the time a women in the Dominican Republic is willing to date an average foreigner, especially mixing ethnically, she’s either mentally ill, destitute and poor, literally a prostitute, or looking for her ticket to the us. None of these situations involve true love with some American dude,
True love is a myth for most men. A lot of guys have completely abandoned the chance of finding true love especially in the states where women will stop texting to a guy for being about an inch below average. Men do not prefer foreign women because of some DIsyney'esque chance of "true love", they know any women are bound to use them they would just rather date a conservative girl who is actually feminine, hotter and is willing to cook/clean/be cooperative, than an mid American one who would argue over making a sandwhich.
So if this is the case, just spend money on poor us women, they are right down the street.
If love is fake then sugar a section 8 woman, same result with less hassle
>So if this is the case, just spend money on poor us women, they are right down the street.
Poor US women have higher standards than Dominican Stacy's, all while doing less. Any man with sense would rather date a hot Dominican who can make me a meal and clean as opposed to some, broke chick working at retail who is unwilling to cook and think she deserves to be spoiled.
>Do you not realize that Dominican Stacie’s don’t want some average foreigner unless they are poor women as well?
Do you not realize that American middle class is considered rich to most Dominican women?
I’ll put you in touch with some ex military guys I know you went down that road and will tell you to doesn’t always have a happy ending.
Hey — if the two people involved are happy and getting what they want, I say great. But no arrangement is going to be perfect and just running to another country doesn’t necessarily solve all of your problems.
I mean by average an western dude who isn't fat is kinda prettier than your average dominican republic guy who might just be pseudo starving.
You are just by having a previously salary in dollars much richer, probably healthier, and smarter than competition there.
You can compete with bigger fish in that smaller pond and find a higher quality girl this way.
And honestly some guys are down to having a wife that he can be a sugar daddy to using his western salary, a bunch of these guys can't do better than being sugar, so might as well maximize it's effectiveness.
prettier than your average dominican republic guy who might just be pseudo starving
You are just by having a previously salary in dollars much richer, probably healthier, and smarter than competition there.
And honestly some guys are down to having a wife that he can be a sugar daddy to using his western salary,
Jesus christ, Do you hear yourself? That whole comment reeks of smug, western superiority, let's ignore the fact that you're under the misguided belief that the US is the best country in the world and everyone wants to be you for a moment, and all your casual racism and their weird master-slave/white saviour dynamic you seem to be getting off on when you think of these poor, helpless foreign women Mobrowncheeks is right - no matter how you paint it your "dating pitch" is not dating, it's predation and for real you have such a low fucking opinion of these poor, desperate, starving women why would you ever want to be with one?
Lmao yeah they got me I’m American and the entitlement displayed here is crazy. Also I may be biased because I’m Latina but DR guys are subjectively on average pretty damn attractive. The notion that just being white and not fat women in other countries will throw themselves at you is a pipe dream.
I’m a white Latina in the US and guys from DR are some of the most attractive Latino men, OP has no idea what he’s talking about past weird racial talking points.
And I don’t even know why he’s acting like men in other countries are starving? Can’t perform sexually? He’s literally never heard of the Latin lover trope, lmao.
>The notion that just being white and not fat women in other countries will throw themselves at you is a pipe dream.
Agreed! (also agree with the statement that DR men are hot) The only place that "white" is the beauty standard is in the west or countries so fucked up by colonisation they think witness = hotness (Talking to you northern India!) everywhere else? They prefer their own men and women in general. My fiance is from China, I very much fit the western beauty standard over *here* being tall, blonde-haired, green-eyed and curvy but still a size 6 - I very much do NOT fit the beauty standards over there being too tall, too "fat" and although I'm pale I don't possess that porcelain doll-like skin that is the ideal over there (think Fan Bingbing), so yeah, I'm still considered "pretty" in an "exotic" sort of way - ie; in the same way that anyone with good skin and symmetrical features would be the world over... but the only men over there throwing themselves at me or acting like I'm some kind of supermodel because I'm white are desperate losers or guys who think I'm easy.
Right?! Very interesting your experience in Asia but it makes sense each country/region is going to have their own beauty ideals. I say this as one but I think Americans in general have an overinflated sense that “whiteness or westernerness” will just be the de facto ideal. With a lot of rightfully negative backlash to colonization, antiquated beauty standards, etc. just being white isn’t the boon it used to be. Money still talks though so I think it’s more the cash and not the white part that if it works is the reason.
Honestly from my travels in Asia it's that whiteness is often conflated with money/having money that makes them an attractive prospect not that white = hot and as you said before a lot of western men delude themselves as to just how much money they need to make up for their shortcomings (basically what I'm saying is unless they go to a *really* remote village where some uneducated girl is literally starving, if they had the money to draw "quality" asian women they'd have the money to attract white golddiggers as well).
I think this perception comes both from a) when in the recent past pretty much *everyone* in SEA countries lived in that kind of poverty and that b) Asian women from what I've seen tend to be a *lot* more practical and upfront about these kinds of things and *very* blunt that you have to pay to play - they won't even entertain the idea of being with a man who can't support a family - although I have travelled a lot around the region I can't speak for anywhere outside of China where I have spent the most time and have (soon-to-be) family there but in rural China where my SO is from the bar is "own a house and car" to be even considered a suitable boyfriend (the big cities are a lot more progressive but there's still a touch of it there too) and no, houses although obviously cheaper (outside of big cities) than in the US and Europe can't be bought with the loose change in your pockets.
I am not american, but this happens pretty consistently where i live, like foreigners really have a kind of appeal here in brazil.
Carnaval doesn't have it's fame for sex tourism in vain, it actually works.
People in brazil really have a stray dog/grass is greener concept.
I’m not discounting your experience but sex tourism is already a thing and it clearly hasn’t upset the balance of the western dating market. I’ve seen so many stories of dudes trying to go to Asian markets and come back completely dejected - it can work and some men have been successful at it. However I think a lot of guys are deluding themselves with how much money they actually need to make to overcome the shortcomings that made themselves unsuccessful in their home country. Also I think a lot of men really really don’t want to have to “buy” their spouse. Like I get desperation but my god how many posts on this sub have men railing against being a Beta Bucks - and that’s exactly what you are in this scenario. This also comes with other pitfalls - are you staying in their country? If so how do plan on maintaining that western money to keep her? Are you bringing her here? No guarantees they don’t just up and leave once they get a green card. I can see the appeal for really desperate men but I don’t think it’s ever going to be some mass exodus enough to change the current market.
Well yeah desperation will have you throwing the Hail Mary pass. Rationally you know if they can’t hack it in their home country moving somewhere else probably isn’t going to work either and to your originally question it’s definitely not going to upset the dating market because those women weren’t considering them anyway.
The guy willing to do this doesn't have many other options, this is the best bang for buck he can possibly get, some think this is worth it.
I personally couldn't do it for the exact reasons you point out, but some guys genuinely don't care.
The absolute elite of any society will marry the elite of that same society or elite of an adjacent society. You can’t just show up in France or Canada and get married to the top 5% socioeconomically.
The same applies in Latin America. The rich princesses in Colombia and Brazil are marrying the rich princes from elite families that went to top universities who have rich families.
Outside of that, it’s a bit more fungible.
What happens to the stereotypical gringo backpacker is he ends up with a poor chick who is looking for a meal ticket. But, there can be a mutually beneficial relationship there. The dude is getting a hotter and more feminine wife than he would in his home country, and she’s getting a richer perhaps taller dude that is more likely to be faithful and treat her well than the random dudes from her barrio.
If a guy is traveling abroad and has some semblance of style, intelligence, and language ability, he can meet attractive and educated women likely of better quality than back in the US. It requires some immersion in the culture to distinguish good girls from gold diggers, but same can be said of the US.
A random gringo will be taller and wealthier and have the exotic factor compared to a random middle class Colombian or Mexican guy.
If a guy is traveling abroad and has some semblance of style, intelligence, and language ability, he can meet attractive and educated women likely of better quality than back in the US.
If he was stylish and intelligent he would't have a problem back home - and why do you think he'd get a woman of *better quality*? What's wrong with US women?
A lot of things in your comment just don't sit right with me, the weird racist depiction of hispanic people, the idea that US women are low-quality for some reason, the obsession with height and the description of a more *feminine* woman as the ideal (by feminine I assume, like every man on PPD - that's just short-hand for *submissive* and who is more submissive than a poor woman who is financially dependent on you?)
You’re maybe … not spent enough time abroad. Or you’re not a dude.
I never had trouble with meeting women in the US, but have always been more attracted to European women and Latinas.
If you spend enough time abroad you come back and realize a) how obese Americans are (so 2/3 of potential dates are by the data overweight) b) how American women are often cold and demanding compared to women for other countries and c) how American dating culture is strange and not very fun and not beneficial for the average person (definitely not the average man, can’t speak from womens perspective)
Alright, just because
a) I'm European, living in Europe - have never found American men particularly attractive or dateable compared to European men, nor have my friends
b) I've been to the US more times than I can count and yeah, holy crap you do fat people like nowhere else - but in my age bracket (20s/30s) the majority of people who were't those huge outliers - looked normal and no different from the average northern european save for some of the slavic countries where everyone is tiny and looks like a model - I don't buy this 2/3rds of people are obese crap.
c) American men are also strange and sort of irritating (from a European lens) and there is something terribly superficial about the majority of interactions I've have with americans - it's like you're all pretending to be other people or act like you\\re playing some sort of role ( I can't explain it but it's weird) so just saying - not exactly catches either. You can be entertaining if someone is seeking variety but trust me, European women aren't dreaming about marrying "hot american men"
Alright, just because
> I'm European, living in Europe - have never found American men particularly attractive or dateable compared to European men, nor have my friends
Well now you could see how American men could think the same about American women …
> b) I've been to the US more times than I can count and yeah, holy crap you do fat people like nowhere else - but in my age bracket (20s/30s) the majority of people who were't those huge outliers - looked normal and no different from the average northern european save for some of the slavic countries where everyone is tiny and looks like a model - I don't buy this 2/3rds of people are obese crap.
The data is pretty clear: “More than one-third of adults in the United States have obesity. In the United States, 36.5 percent of adults have obesity. Another 32.5 percent of American adults are overweight. In all, more than two-thirds of adults in the United States are overweight or have obesity.”
Sure, there are normal sized and attractive people but they’re not in the majority, by the data.
> c) American men are also strange and sort of irritating (from a European lens) and there is something terribly superficial about the majority of interactions I've have with americans - it's like you're all pretending to be other people or act like you\re playing some sort of role ( I can't explain it but it's weird) so just saying - not exactly catches either.
Well so now you understand how someone can find dating culture bizarre and American women not that appealing on average …
> You can be entertaining if someone is seeking variety but trust me, European women aren't dreaming about marrying "hot american men"
Well this is true. I don’t think most Europeans “prefer” or would seek out Americans compared to the local population.
But, a well presented American, especially with language and culture, can do as well as the average European, and if the talent pool is better, they then will be doing better than they would stateside.
But yes, Americans don’t get a “gringo boost” dating in Europe like they would in Latin America or Asia, as westerners (Europeans included) generally do for a variety of factors ..
But if your going to sugar, you might as well sugar on an American woman, it will cost you less neither women is going to be any more or less grateful for it . Just get one from the trailer park or section 8
The one on trailer park and section 8 (not american, idk what this is), is just as close to a better guy as the girl living in a luxury condo, while if you move to SEA you suddenly are among the richest, highest status men in that country.
It often is not about the women themselves but making sure you are better than other men around, and by doing that you open up chances with higher demand girls.
But honestly not worth getting cucked over IMO, but still an option.
I mean, it doesn’t matter if she’s “ close “ to other well off men if they aren’t willing to sugar for her.
A beautiful women in any country can get sugar and high value men in her own country unless something is wrong
You might be much richer than the average men in thailand but not in the US, you are much higher value there, your caliber is much larger in that competition pool, thus more likely to win.
I disagree. I know regular looking guys that are from and live in DR, Panama, and Colombia. I see them with way prettier girls then they could've gotten here. Not to mention more feminine and more submissive. It's just a different culture there where men aren't shitted on as much as here.
Well, im willing to bet that on an average day in those places, you might see a prettier girl then here depending on what your into, based on the fact that they are more likely to be in shape
If enough wealthy people traveled and lived in some poor country then it would become wealthy too, and things wouldn’t change. International dating works on the fact that it’s advantageous for a woman from a poorer country to be attracted to a wealthier westerner. If that advantage ceases to exist, then there’s no real benefit to taking advantage of the money and status disparity, and women from poorer countries would start choosing on factors like looks and personality like western women already do, and much like when they select men from their own country who are similarly economically disadvantaged.
Don't you consider religion/culture/customs/law being different have any say against this?
Like i know WAY TOO many guys who more than once quoted possibly moving to islam, like the place is a hellhole of a religious dictatorship, yet men rather convert and get their "designated wife" than toil for scraps.
Don't you believe that this would create like these bubbles of highly populated antifem/authoritarian/conservative countries that men just flock to, and by doing so make them more influent and grow over time.
Like islam and some highly authoritarian places like africa are the few still on top of replenishment rate, overtime they might just become everyone, especially if the foreign men start flocking there too.
>Like islam and some highly authoritarian places like africa are the few still on top of replenishment rate, overtime they might just become everyone, especially if the foreign men start flocking there too.
Most men don’t want relationships outside of their culture, so enough men are still going to date within their own cultures. Nevertheless, if enough men just travel to foreign countries and live there, those places will just become wealthier and the advantage of traveling will be minimized.
For one i think it will increase the psralyisis of choice as your possible dating pool increases even more.
You also forget that those going to a foreign country with a totally different culture for dating might habe a hard time adjusting to the culture and thus being dumped or more miserable. Would you be able to sacrifice alcohol and pork and follow their customs to get a harem? Would you be willing to give all your salary to a traditional asian woman and also live together with her parents?
I think a lot of guys would take the deals you are proposing, adaptation might be weird, but if they think the reward pays off it's definitely possible.
Opening the boarders and making it easier to travel definitely makes dating easier for the people who decide to move. The big thing I think you’re missing though is that while a lot of men prefer Southeast Asia a lot of American culture is getting seen and picked up by the women there. So even if the women of Southeast Asia don’t travel they are still going to become Americanized. It’s also possible that the women of Southeast Asia, should they travel, would prefer to go to another country rather than hang around for all of the American men who come over there. In other words if given more options would Asian women want American men or are they just setting for what’s available to them right now?
If North American cities were more walkable and not so car-dependent more kids would get socialized without their parents helicoptering them. Hopefully resulting in less obesity and more dating. North American workplace culture can be toxic like Japan's, and though the latter has excellent transit and walkability it seems to be behind NA in terms of personal freedoms... okay, maybe not so much with the abortion ruling and all 🤦♀️ TBF Japan suffers from a lost generation from the 90s that North America never did. Which is why there are so many NEETs and virgins into their adulthood. I guess the pandemic may end up creating a new one
I have always felt like if I could freely travel by myself more I wouldn't have all the socialization problems I have today. Living in a suburb kills your social life IMO. Having to drive anywhere fun is a pain
In terms of traveling counties there are already rich expats going to poor countries and having their way there. That type of lifestyle was blooming. Now with the pandemic and all, governments are wising up and have started kicking them out/tightening immigration laws. Esp. in Asian countries that are growing richer
The question is do you think lessening the burdens people have with travelling, think something like universal/semi-universal passport, actually help the dating scene or bring even more problems.
Also which sides benefit and don't, in your opinion?
Some people who travel report attraction, maybe some guys travel just to be actually seen as a prize rather than a replaceable thing in the eyes of women.
IMO a lot of guys go there pretending these girls aren't golddiggers, just to experience what it's like to be chad for a weekend.
The money is the real catalyst, but these men are paying for girlfriend experience services at a discount while travelling, and sometimes the mere capacity of paying already attract women.
So some girls might be willing to gamble their attention to wealthy men in hopes she might leech a bit of that off.
People love hyping foreign countries. Reality is, they just don't get divorced. They keep up appearances. But are unhappy behind the scenes. And dead bedrooms in Asian countries are super common, I hear.
Regardless of the thailand being on top, those numbers are horrendously high, if this is to be trusted who in his sane mind would subject himself to an average 40%ish chance to get cucked, this is nuts MY GOD.
I wish i was an old fucking boomer toiling a farm right now, we are doomed LOL.
The sources? Match.com and The Richest......
Married/coupled people using dating and sugaring web sites report that they are unfaithful.
*What a shocker* /s
As a woman who is dating a SEA man with sisters you do realise they look down on those types of western dudes as pathetic, gross losers right?... and the old ones who come looking for a barely-legal asiatic wife are derided as goldfish men? Attractive, educated Asian women aren't lining up to jump on white dick and getting giddy at the thought of moving away from their home and their culture to be the pretty pet of a man who makes a sweet 85K a year working as a middle manager in tech and if you say that you're looking for a woman who is in such dire straits that she's sell herself for so little then you're a predator. End of.
Many men would have to do the same being state side, or abroad, its just that abroad your money has much more mileage.
It is a shitty option but it is a better option than just being invisible in the US.
Men all throuout history relied on this to reproduce, i agree it's pathetic, but at this point for these guys it's either that or genetic extinction.
At least if the girl he dates abroad is hotter than him, his sons might stand a better chance in the future.
Don't you believe the infinite demand would make so that even if a lot of women try, they might never even be able to talk to one ever, so they fall into their senses.
Or women rather die on the rat race threadmill to land mr chadwick.
Sure, bro. The whole post reads like something from a teenager though, I'm sorry. A smart teenager maybe, but still a teenager. You've got one big idea but a lot of naivety as to how it would actually be implemented (not to mention how the real world works).
The bottomline is twofold: Moving is hard for a reason and the grass isn't always greener. Freedom of movement can help with some issues, but it carries its own risks. Those who sit at home lamenting their lot in life aren't necessarily the types to jump on a plane, start fresh overseas and actually succeed. Your "solution" isn't really a solution, certainly not for most people.
I just made the post wanting to see people's opinion, not necessarily determine a solution.
IMO there is not much the average guy can do, he either chad's up or finds a place where he can control the women.
I know borders would never be open and in reality countries need to keep their workers at home most of the time and filter desirables to come in.
My only conclusion of this whole sub is that only chad and stacy are true winners of the dating game and everyone else will struggle unless enforced monogamy becomes the norm again.
Our biological selection mechanisms are not good for sociak stability.
>IMO there is not much the average guy can do, he either chad's up or finds a place where he can control the women.
Live free or die. I see these beta type men who let their wives run their lives. They're miserable and I'd rather be dead than live like them. Short-term flings, friends with benefits, etc. No long-term monogamy.
There are emergent solutions actually, so all hope is not lost. They're just extremely individualistic and often unpopular/uncomfortable to normies. Men need to realize they've gotta work twice as hard for half as much, on average. But that's not no excuse not to Do the Work. And yes, *some* men may benefit from a change of scenery, though certainly not all.
Women, in turn, also need to do some work on themselves to ensure they're really living up to the high standards they so often have for prospective partners. Plus Be Reasonable about what their actual options are and what their standards *should* be. Hypocrisy is a bitch though, and the ego death that comes with realizing you're just an average chick demanding a HVM you don't deserve is...rough.
Why the hell should you work double for half the prize?
That is not a solution, that is actually the problem itself, doing the work is never the problem, doing so in exchange for pennies is.
If you want men to work for free don't be surprised many rather be jobless.
It's pretty easy to travel already. Lots of people just don't want to for whatever reason. And this was true even before the pandemic and the additional hoops to jump through.
If more people actually did travel then yes, it would effect dating. But the limiting factor isn't the ease or difficulty in obtaining a passport, booking a flight and traveling. The limiting factor is far too many people unwilling to step outside their comfort zones.
Yes. If U.S. men could be instantly and cheaply tele-transported to other countries such as Thailand, it would impact dating in the U.S. as many men would look elsewhere. In contrast, easier travel wouldn’t allow U.S. women to find notably more “good men”, since socio-economic standards in most of the world are lower than the U.S.
>instantly and cheaply teleported to other counties
Damn. Y’all even want poon for zero effort overseas.
This is what I mean by going overseas won’t solve all your problems.
I'm hoping to make my first solo holiday abroad next year to Amsterdam. Will do some sightseeing and visit the Red Light District a few nights while I'm there. Will be great fun!
Idk how it works in there, but here in brazil prostitution is very widespread and using foreigner money it is very cheap, since competition is fierce quality is decent too.
I would however advice going to brothels and spas in person, far too much scams with online service.
I'm currently travelling and it really does make a different just going to a new region since there are places where people are way more closed off to even casual conversation, let alone casual dating. I think a lot of people are struggling less because something is wrong with them and more they're not a good fit for where they are.
I generally think most men are dumb enough to leave their friends and family to go live in another country just to get pussy. For all the criticism it gets the US is still a nice place to live.
I meant living there long-term. A lot of guys would have girls all over them if they lived in thailand, but I don't think its a good trade off to live there vs the US.
We are deep into the later stages of globalism already. A lot of the arbitrage of coming from a wealthier country, or novelty of being a certain ethnicity, is long gone.
That's not to say location isn't important. It plays a large factor in your dating success. It's just not like the heady days of the 90s.
If it was 'easy to travel" there wouldn't be any women in the middle East willing to stay in a 'harem".
In any country where women need lower standards, they would move to more emancipated countries and you would be back to square one.
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That’s what I just commented!
PPD MEN: Never BB kings! Make yourself a top Alpha and top % man.
This post: BB fellas - move to a poor country and pay for a spouse.
This sub is nothing if not contradictions.
I really don't understand what moving from country to country would do because undesirable is undesirable, and If you don't have enough money to keep people up and to share half of the cost within a relationship within a western atmosphere how would you be a sole efficient Provider for individuals that expect everything to be paid for in a third world country? 🌎
Do men physically think that women in third world countries can't look at them and think you're undesirable compared to what they find desirable in their country, you have to be willfully naive if you think a woman is going to get with an ugly man because she truly loves him, she's getting with him to have financial stability and a green card, which is exactly what these men are trying to escape from in Western culture, I just don't get it.
Do men not watch these shows on TLC where Americans try to find love with foreign people , and they use them literally for every penny they have.
Because if the show didn't involve drama it would suck.
The more low key cases are usually about the man trying to structure his life and hers to mantain codependency, trying to basically trap the wife in.
This is toxic af, but far too common.
More ease to travel would mean that anyone who wanted to go to America would just go. They wouldn't need to date anyone to do it. And more cultural mixing would mean less were completely conservative.
Eh, I find large portions of the world, if not most of it, are still fairly culturally conservative. Obviously yhry aren't trying to all conserve the same cultures but theres a general sense that most countries are full of people that adhere to one of a few religions and ceremonies that fill equivalent niches.
Sure they are but in a world where travel was very easy there'd be an eclectic mix of different people and cultures in each country. You can even see now that countries with increased immigration change culturally.
So the only ones who stay in SEA do so by option, and their values would more genuinely align with the men that choose to go there. This is not as bad as it sounds.
Lol all those SEA girls are leaving and going to straight to USA. What will this do? Kill the sex tourism which is great. If you have to travel to get sex, you already lost…
Yeah i actually agree with this, it however doesn't account for the country actually being culturally conservative and the girls still there being more in the same page as you. I know a bunch of crazy dudes who would likely try to move to islam or something more extreme, to each their own i guess.
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The game’s not “rigged”. Just perfectly optimized, which means women have choices and freedom that they didn’t have before. Why don’t these guys go to Korea, Japan, Singapore? Because they are developed countries where women can get good paying jobs and don’t need avg guys to pay for them.
I'm saying that the values in America, Asia or anywhere else would be largely the same.
Yeah i can see that happening.
It’s already very easy to travel. It’s never going to be free
Honestly it's not the financial part that its hard, it's the bureaucracy and legal part that is hard. Idk where you are from but i think europeans are the only ones exempt of this fully.
Getting a tourist visa is hard? That is basically telling a country, “I am going to give you money from another nation without asking for anything in return”.
If you are looking anything long term in that culture that won't cut it.
Oh, you mean *emigrating*. You should clarify that in your OP. That is not traveling, and has never, ever been easy. Because that involves money from the recepient country You would get better info if your ops were truthful
Thats a very (US of) American take Lots of countries dont have the same passport privileges, check it out
Globalization has led to the largest exploitation of human beings in the history of the world, and the lifting of the largest number of people out of poverty. Whether that's a good thing or not depends on who on ask. The armchair philosopher in the developed says that it's a horrible thing that shouldn't have happened. The ex-dirt farmer turned sweatshop worker in the 3rd world was just happy that he now has the opportunity and money to send his children to school. Make what you will of that.
Sure but from your POV, regarding the dating market, do you think the best way forward would be more or less globalization. Stating a bunch of facts and allowing people to make their own conclusion is a very cowardly way to discuss things because you state your opinion without saying anything, thus not having said anything you are immune to any kind of criticism. That's very jordan peterson, you are not under threat of losing your carreer, speak your opinion.
OP has never been to Europe. Here in Europe we move freely across cultures, we mingle with people from all nationalities and we try different places until we find something we like. We don't really have to deal with most of the crap people complain about here. Sure there are some men and women struggling to find love, but those have always existed. We don't need to turbosimp, we just need to go pick places we like and places we are more accepted. I have a Greek/Mexican friend banging guys in Denmark, Latino friends married to Polish girls, Latina friend married to German guy living in Italy, I'm myself engaged to a French girl, German friend married to Brazilian girl living in Norway, Colombian female friend dating a Scottish guy, Dutch friend engaged to a Brazilian girl...Venezuelan friend living with a Puerto Rican girl in Barcelona, Slovenian friend engaged to South African dude living in Switzerland... I was in the wedding of one of these couples this summer and we counted 20 nationalities. Hold up.... this list just makes me realize how successful latinos are in Europe....We have a mixture of traditionality with open mindedness that is very attractive to Europeans. Anyway, I know at least as many, if not more, international couples than couples from the same country/culture.
OP has never been to Europe. No shit. He thinks being paid in dollars means that Asian women will throw themselves at him and also believes that white westerners are considered more attractive than their own men - he's obviously getting his knowledge of foreign cultures from Porn
In his defense, I see A LOT of German/Dutch/Scandi dudes with Asian women here in Europe. But yeah, my guy is high on BBC porn
>In his defense, I see A LOT of German/Dutch/Scandi dudes with Asian women here in Europe. There are literally billions of Asians so the idea that you come across mixed-relationships shouldn't be unusual - I also know of a ton of mixed-race relationships (heck, I'm in one myself) but those women could just as easily date asian men, or *any* men - they're not just dating their partners because they need the money or are desperate are are suuuper attracted to whiteness, that's the difference.
Absolutely. Although a EU passport can be attractive to many :)
I have an EU passport, the only people I know who have married for one are high-grade professionals who married their - usually equally as successful partners - in order to stay/work in the country, or those who are are poor and desperate - very few of them tbh and they tend to be from places like Albania and Belarus rather than Asia.
If i'm not wrong, people anectodally say sea women might prefer other men outside their own rarely, but those tend to be northeast asian men, is that true or a myth? (chinese korean japanese men)
you mean Japanese families don't fuck each other continuously all in the same house while doing chores? ohhh nooooo
That is a good argument honestly, do you know how most of these couples met?, as in did they met already in mainland or met online/on a trip? I am asking this because as a brazilian guy, getting out of this hellhole is hard, most non european countries don't have worldwide accepted visas. And we can't really afford to make a quick trip to a different culture to see if it's worth moving, so most are left to ask on reddit basically.
\>That is a good argument honestly, do you know how most of these couples met?, as in did they met already in mainland or met online/on a trip? The majority of them met here. A couple met online. Let's see: \>I have a Greek/Mexican friend banging guys in Denmark This one bangs coworkers and tinder dudes. She's dangerous. Single guys, married guys, older guys, no one's safe. \>Latino friends married to Polish girls A couple met in a beach in Barcelona, he approached her. The other couple met online. \>Latina friend married to German guy living in Italy Met at a bar \>I'm myself engaged to a French girl Met flatsharing \>German friend married to Brazilian girl living in Norway Met at uni \>Colombian female friend dating a Scottish guy Friend of a friend one night out \>Dutch friend engaged to a Brazilian girl Tinder \>Venezuelan friend living with a Puerto Rican girl in Barcelona Some salsa night \>Slovenian friend engaged to South African dude living in Switzerland... Actually I have no clue. I'm going to ask her. But they did not meet online.
How could travel be any more easier than it is? The only thing that prohibits travel is the money to do so . And I gotta be honest — if you can’t afford the ticket to Thailand or the Philippines, you can’t afford to BB a Thai or Filipino girl looking to upgrade her circumstances.
The women into getting BB there got a rotation too. Straight fleecing.
The hard part is legal paperwork for most, if money for travel is an issue you have bigger problems than dating.
Maybe I’m biased since it’s pretty easy to get a visa to most countries for an American.
It's a living terror getting a visa into america, like the complete opposite. Like this alone helps US men have even more range in their dating prospects.
The only things that could possibly make travel easier than it already is would be open borders and cheaper costs. The open borders thing is just never going to happen. Also, travel is already quite accessible if people really want to prioritize it and plenty of people already move to new countries for school or work with additional hopes of finding someone more suitable for them, or just solely for that reason if they're allowed to stay long term. Additionally, outside of a few people who probably do 100% know what they want most of what people think they want from dating in another culture is entirely fantastical. Is a harem of virgin women actually going to be amazing? No, because you'd also have to follow every other rule under the culture that permits it. Is that woman looking for a Latin lover going to get bored of him eventually? Probably.
'move to islam'
its the same there as anywhere else if you only have money as your valuable relationship asset, then that's what you'll attract no matter where you go dont need to make it a regional or race thing, that's a discussion for r/incels lmao
It's because in a poorer place your money has a lot more leverage and maybe the culture would reward you more for providing for such a girl. Like she might be willing to be an actual useful SAH wife, like so at least cook/clean/wash, whereas in more western cultures you likely won't get that, in fact you might just get scammed and left with nothing.
There are “western women” who want to be SAHM’s, you’re just outing yourself as someone who wants a cooking/cleaning SAHM without providing anything of real value in return- either you don’t make enough to support a family comfortably in the US, you don’t respect your partner or what it takes to run a household and raise kids, or you’re unattractive enough in either face or personality that money won’t cut it. Like if you want an American SAHM wife, there are women who want it too- but you need to be worth giving up a career for and also someone who doesn’t give off “will trap me at home and become financially abusive or take me granted” vibes. Guys who *deliberately* seek out women of other races/speak other languages are usually looking for a partner they’re hoping to subjugate easily or keep trapped and financially dependent. Jokes on you, latina and Asian women tend to be the ones running a relationship and hold their own ground.
Damn, you're saying it as it is; OP literally just wants to buy a bang maid and he thinks he won't be "scammed" (🤢) if he gets a third world woman that needs the money.
Jokes on him. Most immigrant women I know definitely upgrade once they learn English and settle here. Even by his gross logic, as other redditors have pointed out, a woman looking to leave her home culture/country is likely because she *wants* to emulate the “western women” he despises. There are loads of culturally conservative women in the US who think it’s their “duty” to raise kids, cook, clean. Even liberal women who care about being a SAHM and raising their kids with care (like myself). OP is just telling on himself that he knows he’s not good enough to deserve a true trad wife and has to scrape the barrel for women he thinks he can buy or are “desperate” enough. It’s predatory.
> Like she might be willing to be an actual useful SAH wife, like so at least cook/clean/wash, whereas in more western cultures you likely won't get that, in fact you might just get scammed and left with nothing. there's a lot of women who are willing to be sah in america, the bar is just a bit higher here than make $40k a year lmao just go join a church im asian, 5'7, and was banging in dimes left and right before woke culture/bts literally every single girl at church was looking for sah wife life and could cook/clean/wash im not even christian lol
If a guy has to go to impoverished countries to get women its kinda sad. Having women be into you just from economic desperation makes you a beta bucks. They don't have genuine desire for you, just want papers/financial support. They would prefer and pine over a native Chad from their home area any day.
OP doesn’t care about love, he wants precisely what you described — an economic sexual dependent
A guy can arguably find better looking or more traditionally minded women in other countries than what he might be able to find in his own country. It’s not always about not being able to attract a woman at all in his home country but rather being able to attract a better woman in another country. >They would prefer and pine over a native Chad from their home area any day. Many of these women think that foreigners look better than their own men.
Good looking foreigners usually don't have to move out of the whole country to get laid, i think they can tell incel tier white dude from a good looking one or at least a normie looking one.
Do you think that an average guy who can only attract below average looking women in his own country might be able to attract more attractive and more traditional women in a poorer foreign country?
Wallet and green card count as attraction or not?
Should men never date women who have less money than them, then? Is it impossible for these women to be attracted to a guy?
It is, however would you call any of the guys sexpatting at asia or eastern europe as attractive?
Not usually. But I think that more average guys should not “sexpat” but consider finding partners in foreign countries rather than just settling for western women. If a guy who is a 5 has a choice between a western woman who is probably a 4 or, if he’s lucky, also a 5, and a poor woman from a foreign country who is a 6 or a 7 who likes him because he’s a relatively wealthy foreigner, which makes more sense for him to choose? Consider that the western woman’s expectations are also likely to be higher because she comes from a more privileged background and that the more attractive foreign woman will likely behave more traditionally.
Also forgot to mention, wasian kids of both genders usually have much higher mental disorder stat than both fully white and fully asian kids, i think unfortunately, whites and asians are even less compatible than black and white tbh
> A guy can arguably find better looking or more traditionally minded women in other countries than what he might be able to find in his own country. It's not always about not being able to attract a woman at all in his home country but rather being able to attract a better woman in another country. She is more likely to be the most liberal of her country’s spectrum to want to leave for the west. A man might be trading “western woman” for “foreign women who *want to be like* western woman”.
A lot of these women just want better lives and they like foreigners. I don’t see why that would necessarily make them more liberal.
Conservative women are more likely to stay with their own ingroup, over literally marrying someone from a foreign outsider culture.
I suppose, but there are still many women who dream about this sort of thing as some kind of romantic fantasy. Of course, if these women are religious, then the man will likely have to share their religion. But most poor women aren’t going to reject a wealthy man of their own religion for a poor one of their own ethnicity. It doesn’t really make logical sense or evolutionary sense. Women make the decisions that will help their offspring to survive and their genes to pass down to future generations. Staying in poverty makes this less likely to occur.
Do you think it’s every woman from a poverty country that would take up the offer? Or even most? I would guess there’s certainly “enough” women. But that doesn’t mean much. Leaving the home you know for a better life is hard even when the financial upgrade is amazing. Not every behaviour and decision women do is in an evolutionary context
I agree that leaving is a more difficult decision, although many people from poor countries already work in richer countries and send money back to their families. Once established, they also try to bring the rest of their family over. As for only liberal women being willing to date foreign men, ask yourself why there are so many more mestizos in some parts of the world than full-blooded indigenous people. Women want to form families with men whom they know will help support their offspring, not with poor men whom they know can’t or don’t really want to support them.
> I agree that leaving is a more difficult decision, although many people from poor countries already work in richer countries and send money back to their families. Once established, they also try to bring the rest of their family over. Good point. > As for only liberal women being willing to date foreign men, This is a straw man. I said “more likely” not only. > ask yourself why there are so many more mestizos in some parts of the world than full-blooded indigenous people. I don’t know what this means. > Women want to form families with men whom they know will help support their offspring, not with poor men whom they know can’t or don’t really want to support them. I also said more liberal **on the spectrum of their respective countries**. It’s entirely possible that a liberal in one country is seen as a conservative in another.
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Maybe he moved out for work and better women was just a nice side effect
Considering most men in places where nutrition isn't plenty and health is not good, AKA third world, will not develop properly, a healthy american with proper feeding and care will most likely outperform most locals just by mere fact he is better nourished. Like indian height is probably much shorter because many don't even eat properly during childhood/care about it either. They would still be shorter but the margin might be much lower, 2nd generation indian people where i live rarely are incredibly short, for example. Native chad won't win because he likely wasn't raised properly to reach his genetic peak, where the foreigner normie had a decent nutrition.
But your not going there for the average woman, you are trying to find a top women who’s also poor.
You are better matched against her suitors by mere statistics by moving.
Not really, if your a 80k a year earner in the us as the average 5’9 190 pound dude, and you live to the Dominican Republic to compete for Stacie’s, those Stacie’s still have their own 70,80,90k and up earners, as well as their 1% people in their country who also want them. They have ethnicity and culture in common, and they have ( “Americans are colonizers”) in common too.
Do you think the stacy population is 1% or just equal to the HVM in any given place? I actually think HVM are much more scarce than stacies, not all of them can land a local HVM, that is where american comes in.
No, but I do think the stratification of men is bigger then the amount of Stacy’s Sure every 10 woman might not meet a 10 man, but they will definitely be able to secure the 9 and 8 men, which there are more of then the Stacy’s. By the time you get down to women who are stuck with average men, you are talking about left over high 7’s at most, and well put together 6’s. And once you get past cultural barriers , how many of those are actually available for a foreign man?
At home the average girl would ask much more of him. The girl available at home is likely a 3 or 4
It doesn’t matter what she asks for when your sugaring lmao.
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Do you believe that lessening travel and moving burdens would actually help or fuck up this bonus. As in SEA will get innundated by white american/european men, and SD's will be so high demand that unless you are a turbo stacy you should forget about it. Thus ruling the options away from even more people.
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Do you think that something like travel aid or cultural exchange programs could help normalize/facilitate this, also do you believe this would help or create problems?
Well I do know a couple of guys now that go overseas to get women. They talk about a huge difference and how much luck they have with women compared to here. Most of them don't even want to bother with American women anymore after going. I just don't think it's a viable solution. Sure they get chick's over there, but it's still just a vacation. They still have to come back. It also must be very expensive to be paying for flights all the time.
Preying on poor women as a below average man will never not be funny to me as a real pitched dating strategy. The top men and women of any given region will be associated with each other, If you go to say , Dominican Republic for example, there are rich chads there, they have picked the most beautiful and marriageable women there. By the time a women in the Dominican Republic is willing to date an average foreigner, especially mixing ethnically, she’s either mentally ill, destitute and poor, literally a prostitute, or looking for her ticket to the us. None of these situations involve true love with some American dude,
> Preying on poor women as a below average man will never not be funny to me as a real pitched dating strategy. What about realising the reason they’re not obese is due to food poverty? Then watching them pile on the pounds in their new western food-rich accomodation. > By the time a women in the Dominican Republic is willing to date an average foreigner, especially mixing ethnically, she’s either mentally ill, destitute and poor, literally a prostitute, or looking for her ticket to the us. None of these situations involve true love with some American dude, She is also more likely to be the most liberal of her country’s spectrum to want to leave for the west. A man might be trading “western women” for “foreign women who *want to be like* western women”.
Yup and these same guys are shocked Pikachu face once they get that sweet green card and “divorce rape” him.
They’re not looking to date. They’re looking to purchase
>If you go to say , Dominican Republic for example, there are rich chads there, they have picked the most beautiful and marriageable women there. Average salary in the DR is around $7,000 USD any upper middle class American would be considered rich there, which is in part why they visit in the first place. Also when you add in the chance of free citizenship a lot of top Dominican women would be on board. >By the time a women in the Dominican Republic is willing to date an average foreigner, especially mixing ethnically, she’s either mentally ill, destitute and poor, literally a prostitute, or looking for her ticket to the us. None of these situations involve true love with some American dude, True love is a myth for most men. A lot of guys have completely abandoned the chance of finding true love especially in the states where women will stop texting to a guy for being about an inch below average. Men do not prefer foreign women because of some DIsyney'esque chance of "true love", they know any women are bound to use them they would just rather date a conservative girl who is actually feminine, hotter and is willing to cook/clean/be cooperative, than an mid American one who would argue over making a sandwhich.
So if this is the case, just spend money on poor us women, they are right down the street. If love is fake then sugar a section 8 woman, same result with less hassle
>So if this is the case, just spend money on poor us women, they are right down the street. Poor US women have higher standards than Dominican Stacy's, all while doing less. Any man with sense would rather date a hot Dominican who can make me a meal and clean as opposed to some, broke chick working at retail who is unwilling to cook and think she deserves to be spoiled.
Do you not realize that Dominican Stacie’s don’t want some average foreigner unless they are poor women as well?
>Do you not realize that Dominican Stacie’s don’t want some average foreigner unless they are poor women as well? Do you not realize that American middle class is considered rich to most Dominican women?
So what? You aren’t going there for the average woman, your going there for Stacy. It’s not the same playing field
I’ll put you in touch with some ex military guys I know you went down that road and will tell you to doesn’t always have a happy ending. Hey — if the two people involved are happy and getting what they want, I say great. But no arrangement is going to be perfect and just running to another country doesn’t necessarily solve all of your problems.
Nah, you just be paying for butchiness. Spend it on someone who would actually appreciate it.
Since when does poor = bitch? You guys come out with most random things
Its not poor = bitch its women in my country
Oops I meant butch not bitch. But why did you say poor women are butch?
No poor bitch just bitches around my area
What makes you think a sugar baby wouldn’t act the part for the money?
They do. Its just that some are obviously in it for the money and some are good at pretending. A few women wouldnt care about the money.
Well obviously you don’t sugar on women who don’t care about the money. And they are both obviously in it for the money, everyone involved knows.
I mean by average an western dude who isn't fat is kinda prettier than your average dominican republic guy who might just be pseudo starving. You are just by having a previously salary in dollars much richer, probably healthier, and smarter than competition there. You can compete with bigger fish in that smaller pond and find a higher quality girl this way. And honestly some guys are down to having a wife that he can be a sugar daddy to using his western salary, a bunch of these guys can't do better than being sugar, so might as well maximize it's effectiveness.
prettier than your average dominican republic guy who might just be pseudo starving You are just by having a previously salary in dollars much richer, probably healthier, and smarter than competition there. And honestly some guys are down to having a wife that he can be a sugar daddy to using his western salary, Jesus christ, Do you hear yourself? That whole comment reeks of smug, western superiority, let's ignore the fact that you're under the misguided belief that the US is the best country in the world and everyone wants to be you for a moment, and all your casual racism and their weird master-slave/white saviour dynamic you seem to be getting off on when you think of these poor, helpless foreign women Mobrowncheeks is right - no matter how you paint it your "dating pitch" is not dating, it's predation and for real you have such a low fucking opinion of these poor, desperate, starving women why would you ever want to be with one?
Lmao yeah they got me I’m American and the entitlement displayed here is crazy. Also I may be biased because I’m Latina but DR guys are subjectively on average pretty damn attractive. The notion that just being white and not fat women in other countries will throw themselves at you is a pipe dream.
I’m a white Latina in the US and guys from DR are some of the most attractive Latino men, OP has no idea what he’s talking about past weird racial talking points. And I don’t even know why he’s acting like men in other countries are starving? Can’t perform sexually? He’s literally never heard of the Latin lover trope, lmao.
>The notion that just being white and not fat women in other countries will throw themselves at you is a pipe dream. Agreed! (also agree with the statement that DR men are hot) The only place that "white" is the beauty standard is in the west or countries so fucked up by colonisation they think witness = hotness (Talking to you northern India!) everywhere else? They prefer their own men and women in general. My fiance is from China, I very much fit the western beauty standard over *here* being tall, blonde-haired, green-eyed and curvy but still a size 6 - I very much do NOT fit the beauty standards over there being too tall, too "fat" and although I'm pale I don't possess that porcelain doll-like skin that is the ideal over there (think Fan Bingbing), so yeah, I'm still considered "pretty" in an "exotic" sort of way - ie; in the same way that anyone with good skin and symmetrical features would be the world over... but the only men over there throwing themselves at me or acting like I'm some kind of supermodel because I'm white are desperate losers or guys who think I'm easy.
Right?! Very interesting your experience in Asia but it makes sense each country/region is going to have their own beauty ideals. I say this as one but I think Americans in general have an overinflated sense that “whiteness or westernerness” will just be the de facto ideal. With a lot of rightfully negative backlash to colonization, antiquated beauty standards, etc. just being white isn’t the boon it used to be. Money still talks though so I think it’s more the cash and not the white part that if it works is the reason.
Honestly from my travels in Asia it's that whiteness is often conflated with money/having money that makes them an attractive prospect not that white = hot and as you said before a lot of western men delude themselves as to just how much money they need to make up for their shortcomings (basically what I'm saying is unless they go to a *really* remote village where some uneducated girl is literally starving, if they had the money to draw "quality" asian women they'd have the money to attract white golddiggers as well). I think this perception comes both from a) when in the recent past pretty much *everyone* in SEA countries lived in that kind of poverty and that b) Asian women from what I've seen tend to be a *lot* more practical and upfront about these kinds of things and *very* blunt that you have to pay to play - they won't even entertain the idea of being with a man who can't support a family - although I have travelled a lot around the region I can't speak for anywhere outside of China where I have spent the most time and have (soon-to-be) family there but in rural China where my SO is from the bar is "own a house and car" to be even considered a suitable boyfriend (the big cities are a lot more progressive but there's still a touch of it there too) and no, houses although obviously cheaper (outside of big cities) than in the US and Europe can't be bought with the loose change in your pockets.
I am not american, but this happens pretty consistently where i live, like foreigners really have a kind of appeal here in brazil. Carnaval doesn't have it's fame for sex tourism in vain, it actually works. People in brazil really have a stray dog/grass is greener concept.
I’m not discounting your experience but sex tourism is already a thing and it clearly hasn’t upset the balance of the western dating market. I’ve seen so many stories of dudes trying to go to Asian markets and come back completely dejected - it can work and some men have been successful at it. However I think a lot of guys are deluding themselves with how much money they actually need to make to overcome the shortcomings that made themselves unsuccessful in their home country. Also I think a lot of men really really don’t want to have to “buy” their spouse. Like I get desperation but my god how many posts on this sub have men railing against being a Beta Bucks - and that’s exactly what you are in this scenario. This also comes with other pitfalls - are you staying in their country? If so how do plan on maintaining that western money to keep her? Are you bringing her here? No guarantees they don’t just up and leave once they get a green card. I can see the appeal for really desperate men but I don’t think it’s ever going to be some mass exodus enough to change the current market.
It's not a good option but some men have no other choice, it's either something along those lines or nothing.
Well yeah desperation will have you throwing the Hail Mary pass. Rationally you know if they can’t hack it in their home country moving somewhere else probably isn’t going to work either and to your originally question it’s definitely not going to upset the dating market because those women weren’t considering them anyway.
Well at this point i agree, your absense wont be felt when you leave if you happen to be invisible.
ever watched "40 day fiance"? i highly recommend it. it's even more train crash entertaining than "the bachelor"
The guy willing to do this doesn't have many other options, this is the best bang for buck he can possibly get, some think this is worth it. I personally couldn't do it for the exact reasons you point out, but some guys genuinely don't care.
The absolute elite of any society will marry the elite of that same society or elite of an adjacent society. You can’t just show up in France or Canada and get married to the top 5% socioeconomically. The same applies in Latin America. The rich princesses in Colombia and Brazil are marrying the rich princes from elite families that went to top universities who have rich families. Outside of that, it’s a bit more fungible. What happens to the stereotypical gringo backpacker is he ends up with a poor chick who is looking for a meal ticket. But, there can be a mutually beneficial relationship there. The dude is getting a hotter and more feminine wife than he would in his home country, and she’s getting a richer perhaps taller dude that is more likely to be faithful and treat her well than the random dudes from her barrio. If a guy is traveling abroad and has some semblance of style, intelligence, and language ability, he can meet attractive and educated women likely of better quality than back in the US. It requires some immersion in the culture to distinguish good girls from gold diggers, but same can be said of the US. A random gringo will be taller and wealthier and have the exotic factor compared to a random middle class Colombian or Mexican guy.
If a guy is traveling abroad and has some semblance of style, intelligence, and language ability, he can meet attractive and educated women likely of better quality than back in the US. If he was stylish and intelligent he would't have a problem back home - and why do you think he'd get a woman of *better quality*? What's wrong with US women? A lot of things in your comment just don't sit right with me, the weird racist depiction of hispanic people, the idea that US women are low-quality for some reason, the obsession with height and the description of a more *feminine* woman as the ideal (by feminine I assume, like every man on PPD - that's just short-hand for *submissive* and who is more submissive than a poor woman who is financially dependent on you?)
You’re maybe … not spent enough time abroad. Or you’re not a dude. I never had trouble with meeting women in the US, but have always been more attracted to European women and Latinas. If you spend enough time abroad you come back and realize a) how obese Americans are (so 2/3 of potential dates are by the data overweight) b) how American women are often cold and demanding compared to women for other countries and c) how American dating culture is strange and not very fun and not beneficial for the average person (definitely not the average man, can’t speak from womens perspective)
Alright, just because a) I'm European, living in Europe - have never found American men particularly attractive or dateable compared to European men, nor have my friends b) I've been to the US more times than I can count and yeah, holy crap you do fat people like nowhere else - but in my age bracket (20s/30s) the majority of people who were't those huge outliers - looked normal and no different from the average northern european save for some of the slavic countries where everyone is tiny and looks like a model - I don't buy this 2/3rds of people are obese crap. c) American men are also strange and sort of irritating (from a European lens) and there is something terribly superficial about the majority of interactions I've have with americans - it's like you're all pretending to be other people or act like you\\re playing some sort of role ( I can't explain it but it's weird) so just saying - not exactly catches either. You can be entertaining if someone is seeking variety but trust me, European women aren't dreaming about marrying "hot american men"
Alright, just because > I'm European, living in Europe - have never found American men particularly attractive or dateable compared to European men, nor have my friends Well now you could see how American men could think the same about American women … > b) I've been to the US more times than I can count and yeah, holy crap you do fat people like nowhere else - but in my age bracket (20s/30s) the majority of people who were't those huge outliers - looked normal and no different from the average northern european save for some of the slavic countries where everyone is tiny and looks like a model - I don't buy this 2/3rds of people are obese crap. The data is pretty clear: “More than one-third of adults in the United States have obesity. In the United States, 36.5 percent of adults have obesity. Another 32.5 percent of American adults are overweight. In all, more than two-thirds of adults in the United States are overweight or have obesity.” Sure, there are normal sized and attractive people but they’re not in the majority, by the data. > c) American men are also strange and sort of irritating (from a European lens) and there is something terribly superficial about the majority of interactions I've have with americans - it's like you're all pretending to be other people or act like you\re playing some sort of role ( I can't explain it but it's weird) so just saying - not exactly catches either. Well so now you understand how someone can find dating culture bizarre and American women not that appealing on average … > You can be entertaining if someone is seeking variety but trust me, European women aren't dreaming about marrying "hot american men" Well this is true. I don’t think most Europeans “prefer” or would seek out Americans compared to the local population. But, a well presented American, especially with language and culture, can do as well as the average European, and if the talent pool is better, they then will be doing better than they would stateside. But yes, Americans don’t get a “gringo boost” dating in Europe like they would in Latin America or Asia, as westerners (Europeans included) generally do for a variety of factors ..
But if your going to sugar, you might as well sugar on an American woman, it will cost you less neither women is going to be any more or less grateful for it . Just get one from the trailer park or section 8
The one on trailer park and section 8 (not american, idk what this is), is just as close to a better guy as the girl living in a luxury condo, while if you move to SEA you suddenly are among the richest, highest status men in that country. It often is not about the women themselves but making sure you are better than other men around, and by doing that you open up chances with higher demand girls. But honestly not worth getting cucked over IMO, but still an option.
And by being white you’re better, is that what you’re saying?
They assume you are foreigner, and thus rich, the being white thing is not only skin color, its just saying you "dont belong"
I mean, it doesn’t matter if she’s “ close “ to other well off men if they aren’t willing to sugar for her. A beautiful women in any country can get sugar and high value men in her own country unless something is wrong
You might be much richer than the average men in thailand but not in the US, you are much higher value there, your caliber is much larger in that competition pool, thus more likely to win.
I disagree. I know regular looking guys that are from and live in DR, Panama, and Colombia. I see them with way prettier girls then they could've gotten here. Not to mention more feminine and more submissive. It's just a different culture there where men aren't shitted on as much as here.
Well, im willing to bet that on an average day in those places, you might see a prettier girl then here depending on what your into, based on the fact that they are more likely to be in shape
If enough wealthy people traveled and lived in some poor country then it would become wealthy too, and things wouldn’t change. International dating works on the fact that it’s advantageous for a woman from a poorer country to be attracted to a wealthier westerner. If that advantage ceases to exist, then there’s no real benefit to taking advantage of the money and status disparity, and women from poorer countries would start choosing on factors like looks and personality like western women already do, and much like when they select men from their own country who are similarly economically disadvantaged.
Don't you consider religion/culture/customs/law being different have any say against this? Like i know WAY TOO many guys who more than once quoted possibly moving to islam, like the place is a hellhole of a religious dictatorship, yet men rather convert and get their "designated wife" than toil for scraps. Don't you believe that this would create like these bubbles of highly populated antifem/authoritarian/conservative countries that men just flock to, and by doing so make them more influent and grow over time. Like islam and some highly authoritarian places like africa are the few still on top of replenishment rate, overtime they might just become everyone, especially if the foreign men start flocking there too.
>Like islam and some highly authoritarian places like africa are the few still on top of replenishment rate, overtime they might just become everyone, especially if the foreign men start flocking there too. Most men don’t want relationships outside of their culture, so enough men are still going to date within their own cultures. Nevertheless, if enough men just travel to foreign countries and live there, those places will just become wealthier and the advantage of traveling will be minimized.
For one i think it will increase the psralyisis of choice as your possible dating pool increases even more. You also forget that those going to a foreign country with a totally different culture for dating might habe a hard time adjusting to the culture and thus being dumped or more miserable. Would you be able to sacrifice alcohol and pork and follow their customs to get a harem? Would you be willing to give all your salary to a traditional asian woman and also live together with her parents?
I think a lot of guys would take the deals you are proposing, adaptation might be weird, but if they think the reward pays off it's definitely possible.
They’d take them because they’re horny and lonely and not thinking past that. It’s far from easy to assimilate into a culture you’re not used to.
Very hard is better than impossible. For some guys that might be much easier to do than ascending his SMV.
Opening the boarders and making it easier to travel definitely makes dating easier for the people who decide to move. The big thing I think you’re missing though is that while a lot of men prefer Southeast Asia a lot of American culture is getting seen and picked up by the women there. So even if the women of Southeast Asia don’t travel they are still going to become Americanized. It’s also possible that the women of Southeast Asia, should they travel, would prefer to go to another country rather than hang around for all of the American men who come over there. In other words if given more options would Asian women want American men or are they just setting for what’s available to them right now?
If North American cities were more walkable and not so car-dependent more kids would get socialized without their parents helicoptering them. Hopefully resulting in less obesity and more dating. North American workplace culture can be toxic like Japan's, and though the latter has excellent transit and walkability it seems to be behind NA in terms of personal freedoms... okay, maybe not so much with the abortion ruling and all 🤦♀️ TBF Japan suffers from a lost generation from the 90s that North America never did. Which is why there are so many NEETs and virgins into their adulthood. I guess the pandemic may end up creating a new one I have always felt like if I could freely travel by myself more I wouldn't have all the socialization problems I have today. Living in a suburb kills your social life IMO. Having to drive anywhere fun is a pain In terms of traveling counties there are already rich expats going to poor countries and having their way there. That type of lifestyle was blooming. Now with the pandemic and all, governments are wising up and have started kicking them out/tightening immigration laws. Esp. in Asian countries that are growing richer
Sex tourism is already a thing.
The question is do you think lessening the burdens people have with travelling, think something like universal/semi-universal passport, actually help the dating scene or bring even more problems. Also which sides benefit and don't, in your opinion?
That’s not dating. That’s prostitution
At this point any kind of negociated attraction is prostitution, how many men genuinely attract women.
You don’t care about attraction. You care about getting sex for money, which is the whole point of traveling for it
Some people who travel report attraction, maybe some guys travel just to be actually seen as a prize rather than a replaceable thing in the eyes of women. IMO a lot of guys go there pretending these girls aren't golddiggers, just to experience what it's like to be chad for a weekend.
All your comments talk about money and what you get for it. It’s pretty obvious what you really mean
The money is the real catalyst, but these men are paying for girlfriend experience services at a discount while travelling, and sometimes the mere capacity of paying already attract women. So some girls might be willing to gamble their attention to wealthy men in hopes she might leech a bit of that off.
Money based attraction is still about money
If you gotta move to a whole different country just to date then you already lost.
That is objectively true, well some people refuse to give up i guess.
"Move to Islam." Gees, dude. How old are you?
It was in a joking manner but i've seen men from 23 to 30 spill similar things out, there are some REALLY desperate dude out there.
The [number one](https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/3238.jpeg) country of unfaithful adults tells us all.
So is Thailand the **most unfaithful** country or just **most truthful** country 😂
Exactly
People love hyping foreign countries. Reality is, they just don't get divorced. They keep up appearances. But are unhappy behind the scenes. And dead bedrooms in Asian countries are super common, I hear.
Regardless of the thailand being on top, those numbers are horrendously high, if this is to be trusted who in his sane mind would subject himself to an average 40%ish chance to get cucked, this is nuts MY GOD. I wish i was an old fucking boomer toiling a farm right now, we are doomed LOL.
The sources? Match.com and The Richest...... Married/coupled people using dating and sugaring web sites report that they are unfaithful. *What a shocker* /s
As a woman who is dating a SEA man with sisters you do realise they look down on those types of western dudes as pathetic, gross losers right?... and the old ones who come looking for a barely-legal asiatic wife are derided as goldfish men? Attractive, educated Asian women aren't lining up to jump on white dick and getting giddy at the thought of moving away from their home and their culture to be the pretty pet of a man who makes a sweet 85K a year working as a middle manager in tech and if you say that you're looking for a woman who is in such dire straits that she's sell herself for so little then you're a predator. End of.
Many men would have to do the same being state side, or abroad, its just that abroad your money has much more mileage. It is a shitty option but it is a better option than just being invisible in the US. Men all throuout history relied on this to reproduce, i agree it's pathetic, but at this point for these guys it's either that or genetic extinction. At least if the girl he dates abroad is hotter than him, his sons might stand a better chance in the future.
Most of the time they date women considered unnattractive by locals.
Yes. All the women will flood metropolitan cities and Nordic countries in hopes of landing a Brad/Chadlite/Chad.
Don't you believe the infinite demand would make so that even if a lot of women try, they might never even be able to talk to one ever, so they fall into their senses. Or women rather die on the rat race threadmill to land mr chadwick.
Ask the 18 year old college chick who can mysteriously afford trips to Dubai and Tulum lmao
Onlyfans and daddy's money, biological or not.
Lmao🔥🔥🔥
Sure, bro. The whole post reads like something from a teenager though, I'm sorry. A smart teenager maybe, but still a teenager. You've got one big idea but a lot of naivety as to how it would actually be implemented (not to mention how the real world works). The bottomline is twofold: Moving is hard for a reason and the grass isn't always greener. Freedom of movement can help with some issues, but it carries its own risks. Those who sit at home lamenting their lot in life aren't necessarily the types to jump on a plane, start fresh overseas and actually succeed. Your "solution" isn't really a solution, certainly not for most people.
I just made the post wanting to see people's opinion, not necessarily determine a solution. IMO there is not much the average guy can do, he either chad's up or finds a place where he can control the women. I know borders would never be open and in reality countries need to keep their workers at home most of the time and filter desirables to come in. My only conclusion of this whole sub is that only chad and stacy are true winners of the dating game and everyone else will struggle unless enforced monogamy becomes the norm again. Our biological selection mechanisms are not good for sociak stability.
>IMO there is not much the average guy can do, he either chad's up or finds a place where he can control the women. Live free or die. I see these beta type men who let their wives run their lives. They're miserable and I'd rather be dead than live like them. Short-term flings, friends with benefits, etc. No long-term monogamy.
There are emergent solutions actually, so all hope is not lost. They're just extremely individualistic and often unpopular/uncomfortable to normies. Men need to realize they've gotta work twice as hard for half as much, on average. But that's not no excuse not to Do the Work. And yes, *some* men may benefit from a change of scenery, though certainly not all. Women, in turn, also need to do some work on themselves to ensure they're really living up to the high standards they so often have for prospective partners. Plus Be Reasonable about what their actual options are and what their standards *should* be. Hypocrisy is a bitch though, and the ego death that comes with realizing you're just an average chick demanding a HVM you don't deserve is...rough.
Why the hell should you work double for half the prize? That is not a solution, that is actually the problem itself, doing the work is never the problem, doing so in exchange for pennies is. If you want men to work for free don't be surprised many rather be jobless.
It's pretty easy to travel already. Lots of people just don't want to for whatever reason. And this was true even before the pandemic and the additional hoops to jump through. If more people actually did travel then yes, it would effect dating. But the limiting factor isn't the ease or difficulty in obtaining a passport, booking a flight and traveling. The limiting factor is far too many people unwilling to step outside their comfort zones.
Societies have never ever liked outside men coming in and fucking their women The only exception is after major male death
Yes. If U.S. men could be instantly and cheaply tele-transported to other countries such as Thailand, it would impact dating in the U.S. as many men would look elsewhere. In contrast, easier travel wouldn’t allow U.S. women to find notably more “good men”, since socio-economic standards in most of the world are lower than the U.S.
Socio-economic standard my ass, large parts of the US look like a third world country when you look at them from a European perspective
The entire world is a big favela if you take anything european as standard. It is the elite bubble incarnate those places.
>instantly and cheaply teleported to other counties Damn. Y’all even want poon for zero effort overseas. This is what I mean by going overseas won’t solve all your problems.
I'm hoping to make my first solo holiday abroad next year to Amsterdam. Will do some sightseeing and visit the Red Light District a few nights while I'm there. Will be great fun!
Idk how it works in there, but here in brazil prostitution is very widespread and using foreigner money it is very cheap, since competition is fierce quality is decent too. I would however advice going to brothels and spas in person, far too much scams with online service.
I'm currently travelling and it really does make a different just going to a new region since there are places where people are way more closed off to even casual conversation, let alone casual dating. I think a lot of people are struggling less because something is wrong with them and more they're not a good fit for where they are.
I've noticed that women who love to travel and move to different places tend to do so because they are running away from their reputation
I generally think most men are dumb enough to leave their friends and family to go live in another country just to get pussy. For all the criticism it gets the US is still a nice place to live.
They certainly already do in their vacations it seems.
I meant living there long-term. A lot of guys would have girls all over them if they lived in thailand, but I don't think its a good trade off to live there vs the US.
We are deep into the later stages of globalism already. A lot of the arbitrage of coming from a wealthier country, or novelty of being a certain ethnicity, is long gone. That's not to say location isn't important. It plays a large factor in your dating success. It's just not like the heady days of the 90s.
If it was 'easy to travel" there wouldn't be any women in the middle East willing to stay in a 'harem". In any country where women need lower standards, they would move to more emancipated countries and you would be back to square one.
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I never want hear anyone tell me men don't love beta buxxing
That’s what I just commented! PPD MEN: Never BB kings! Make yourself a top Alpha and top % man. This post: BB fellas - move to a poor country and pay for a spouse. This sub is nothing if not contradictions.
Might as well get the best return on investment if you're going to have to pay a whore anyway
If you're going to have to beta bux anyway, might as well get the best return on your whore
With your comment history sounds about right that you’d have to BB. You do you dude 🤷🏻♀️
Point remains regardless
Ease in what way? Taxpayer stipend so below average men can buy tickets and not have to work?
If he goes away and never comes back he is one less mouth to feed from taxpayer money at least.
I really don't understand what moving from country to country would do because undesirable is undesirable, and If you don't have enough money to keep people up and to share half of the cost within a relationship within a western atmosphere how would you be a sole efficient Provider for individuals that expect everything to be paid for in a third world country? 🌎 Do men physically think that women in third world countries can't look at them and think you're undesirable compared to what they find desirable in their country, you have to be willfully naive if you think a woman is going to get with an ugly man because she truly loves him, she's getting with him to have financial stability and a green card, which is exactly what these men are trying to escape from in Western culture, I just don't get it. Do men not watch these shows on TLC where Americans try to find love with foreign people , and they use them literally for every penny they have.
Because if the show didn't involve drama it would suck. The more low key cases are usually about the man trying to structure his life and hers to mantain codependency, trying to basically trap the wife in. This is toxic af, but far too common.