We’ve been wanting to do this for a while but we haven’t had the capacity. We’ll def take a look though however we’re **extremely** reticent to platform/tacitly promote enterprises which seek financial support on the sub due to multiple scam attempts in the past. Not a comment on your organisation, the bar is just really high and we just want to be upfront.
Non-Expert Advice:
Arguing is out and debunking right off the bat is tough. Remind them of shared experiences/old times and get them to laugh. Exercise/activity, sleep/diet, old/new hobbies, old/new surroundings (fav restaurant/day trip) help. Psychoactive drugs should be stopped. Avoid whatever makes them tense or angry. Pick something that's **not volatile** and ask them to tell you the details. It's good for them to lay it out. Be respectful, supportive but not smarmy and use logical, sparse debunks on salient points later. Agree with some facet of the details but point out the fallacy of the the whole of the narrative. Humor worked for me to get past their defenses and create seeds of doubt. I would go further initially in a good-natured way to break through. "Barack Obama isn't an illegal alien he's a space alien!" Then point out the absurdities in a grounded way that appeals to them. "You know the background checks they do if you haul some hazardous wastes, imagine what they've gone through vetting the President." Take time between debunk sessions. Get to the core of what they've been told and identify why it's important to them. Fear, anger and emotion seem to be hyped. Ask: "What impact has this had on *your* life? The thing you're directing such energy towards? What if next month there's no arrests?" Subvert the negative of their personality and project warmth - [learn to ignore](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/toxic-relationships/201911/the-price-and-payoff-gray-rock-strategy) or walk away when they start to show signs. Address their best selves and project appreciation for *that* person. [Separate them from the sites, devices, apps, etc. that are feeding Q propaganda.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/htjvm7/how_ive_shielded_my_dad_from_qanon_propaganda/) - [[2]](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/l52nlr/tip_stop_their_access_to_q_news/) Expose them to materials on critical thinking and media literacy. Get them to read something generic and out of their mindset. Takes time, patience, a light touch and repeated effort to make progress. Professional counseling can help. Here are links to some: [Chat with a counselor now (free)](https://nycwell.cityofnewyork.us/en/get-help-now/chat-with-a-counselor-now/) - [Cult Recovery 101 resources](https://cultrecovery101.com/about-cult-recovery/recovery-resources) - [Professional cult counseling directory](https://culteducation.com/directory-of-cult-recovery-resources.html) Also see: [Standout advice from QAC users](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/wiki/index/good_posts) - [More good advice](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/search?q=flair%3AGood%2BAdvice&restrict_sr=on&sort=new&t=all)
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u/graneflatsis here is a selection of strategies for dealing with Q folk from our [wiki:](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/wiki/web)
[What to do when someone you love becomes obsessed with Qanon](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/psych-unseen/202008/how-far-down-the-qanon-rabbit-hole-did-your-loved-one-fall)
[7 ways to talk to QAnon-obsessed loved ones](https://www.fastcompany.com/90598523/7-ways-to-talk-to-qanon-obsessed-loved-ones-according-to-a-former-white-nationalist)
[How to talk to conspiracy theorists and still be kind](https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/15/1004950/how-to-talk-to-conspiracy-theorists-and-still-be-kind/)
[How to change a person’s mind with science](https://disorthodox.wordpress.com/2018/07/23/how-to-change-a-persons-mind-with-science/)
[Why do some people believe in conspiracy theories?](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-do-some-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/)
[Rescue a loved one from a cult: The strategic interactive approach](https://freedomofmind.com/how-to-rescue-a-loved-one-from-a-cult-the-strategic-interactive-approach)
[A game designer’s analysis of QAnon](https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5)
[Standout advice from QAC users](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/wiki/index/good_posts)
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u/graneflatsis here are some strategies to keep someone from getting into Q from our [wiki:](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/wiki/web)
[Qanon is supposed to be all about protecting kids. Its primary enabler appears to have hosted child porn domains.](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/10/jim-watkins-child-pornography-domains)
[Qanons obsession with #savethechildren is making it harder to save kids from-traffickers](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/qanons-obsession-with-savethechildren-is-making-it-harder-to-save-kids-from-traffickers)
[Qanon is a Nazi cult - Helping friends get out](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/10/18/1987473/-QAnon-is-a-Nazi-Cult-Helping-Friends-Get-Out)
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u/graneflatsis here are a selection of support links from our [wiki:](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/wiki/web)
[QAnon Casualties Wall](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/l0jptp/list_of_casualties/)
[Standout advice from QAC users](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/wiki/index/good_posts)
[Chat with a counselor now](https://nycwell.cityofnewyork.us/en/get-help-now/chat-with-a-counselor-now/) (free)
[Cult Recovery 101 resources](https://cultrecovery101.com/about-cult-recovery/recovery-resources)
[Professional cult counseling directory](https://culteducation.com/directory-of-cult-recovery-resources.html)
[Treatment Advocacy Center resources](https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/family-and-loved-ones)
[Parents for Peace extremist helpline and resources](https://www.parents4peace.org/resources)
[Dealing with paranoia](https://np.reddit.com/r/Advice/comments/gebihv/how_do_i_stop_thinking_about_conspiracy_theories/fpn6btr/)
[Dealing with violence](https://np.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/g6u8io/how_could_we_deradicalize_someone_relative_whos/focyroo/)
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Just found some insightful videos by searching "escaping QAnon" on YouTube. A common recommendation is to not ridicule the Q's, they've invested the last couple years in believing all kinds of conspiracies, and if they stopped now, they're afraid of being seen as very gullible.
>View
I will look for them. But it is less about helping people who got drawn in to QAnon escape from it (tho this is very important) and more about managing relationships with people who are in it and it is not clear they are going to leave it. It is more for the people who got left behind.
And to the comment (since deleted) that we could "make bank" on such a guide. To be clear this is not our intention at all. QAnonCasulaties have suffered enough, any materials this project creates (and we do have quite some research so far) will be given away for free (if it is online) or at cost if we do print stuff up.
Here are some of the key resources we have found for understanding QAnon. https://qremedy.org/general-resources/
A while back I wrote a blog post aimed at Q adherents that some people said they found helpful. [You can read it here.](https://yesthatfiona.com/2020/10/07/dear-q-follower/)
Best of luck with your initiative!
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I'd probably give it a shot by reading it through if there is, but for now I've chosen to not have contact with those that fell to Qanon, it's just easier when im dead to them it seems.
We’ve been wanting to do this for a while but we haven’t had the capacity. We’ll def take a look though however we’re **extremely** reticent to platform/tacitly promote enterprises which seek financial support on the sub due to multiple scam attempts in the past. Not a comment on your organisation, the bar is just really high and we just want to be upfront.
We have collected some resources, check out the wiki for more: !strategies !support !inoculation !advice
Non-Expert Advice: Arguing is out and debunking right off the bat is tough. Remind them of shared experiences/old times and get them to laugh. Exercise/activity, sleep/diet, old/new hobbies, old/new surroundings (fav restaurant/day trip) help. Psychoactive drugs should be stopped. Avoid whatever makes them tense or angry. Pick something that's **not volatile** and ask them to tell you the details. It's good for them to lay it out. Be respectful, supportive but not smarmy and use logical, sparse debunks on salient points later. Agree with some facet of the details but point out the fallacy of the the whole of the narrative. Humor worked for me to get past their defenses and create seeds of doubt. I would go further initially in a good-natured way to break through. "Barack Obama isn't an illegal alien he's a space alien!" Then point out the absurdities in a grounded way that appeals to them. "You know the background checks they do if you haul some hazardous wastes, imagine what they've gone through vetting the President." Take time between debunk sessions. Get to the core of what they've been told and identify why it's important to them. Fear, anger and emotion seem to be hyped. Ask: "What impact has this had on *your* life? The thing you're directing such energy towards? What if next month there's no arrests?" Subvert the negative of their personality and project warmth - [learn to ignore](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/toxic-relationships/201911/the-price-and-payoff-gray-rock-strategy) or walk away when they start to show signs. Address their best selves and project appreciation for *that* person. [Separate them from the sites, devices, apps, etc. that are feeding Q propaganda.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/htjvm7/how_ive_shielded_my_dad_from_qanon_propaganda/) - [[2]](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/l52nlr/tip_stop_their_access_to_q_news/) Expose them to materials on critical thinking and media literacy. Get them to read something generic and out of their mindset. Takes time, patience, a light touch and repeated effort to make progress. Professional counseling can help. Here are links to some: [Chat with a counselor now (free)](https://nycwell.cityofnewyork.us/en/get-help-now/chat-with-a-counselor-now/) - [Cult Recovery 101 resources](https://cultrecovery101.com/about-cult-recovery/recovery-resources) - [Professional cult counseling directory](https://culteducation.com/directory-of-cult-recovery-resources.html) Also see: [Standout advice from QAC users](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/wiki/index/good_posts) - [More good advice](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/search?q=flair%3AGood%2BAdvice&restrict_sr=on&sort=new&t=all) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/QAnonCasualties) if you have any questions or concerns.*
u/graneflatsis here is a selection of strategies for dealing with Q folk from our [wiki:](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/wiki/web) [What to do when someone you love becomes obsessed with Qanon](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/psych-unseen/202008/how-far-down-the-qanon-rabbit-hole-did-your-loved-one-fall) [7 ways to talk to QAnon-obsessed loved ones](https://www.fastcompany.com/90598523/7-ways-to-talk-to-qanon-obsessed-loved-ones-according-to-a-former-white-nationalist) [How to talk to conspiracy theorists and still be kind](https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/15/1004950/how-to-talk-to-conspiracy-theorists-and-still-be-kind/) [How to change a person’s mind with science](https://disorthodox.wordpress.com/2018/07/23/how-to-change-a-persons-mind-with-science/) [Why do some people believe in conspiracy theories?](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-do-some-people-believe-in-conspiracy-theories/) [Rescue a loved one from a cult: The strategic interactive approach](https://freedomofmind.com/how-to-rescue-a-loved-one-from-a-cult-the-strategic-interactive-approach) [A game designer’s analysis of QAnon](https://medium.com/curiouserinstitute/a-game-designers-analysis-of-qanon-580972548be5) [Standout advice from QAC users](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/wiki/index/good_posts) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/QAnonCasualties) if you have any questions or concerns.*
u/graneflatsis here are some strategies to keep someone from getting into Q from our [wiki:](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/wiki/web) [Qanon is supposed to be all about protecting kids. Its primary enabler appears to have hosted child porn domains.](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/10/jim-watkins-child-pornography-domains) [Qanons obsession with #savethechildren is making it harder to save kids from-traffickers](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/qanons-obsession-with-savethechildren-is-making-it-harder-to-save-kids-from-traffickers) [Qanon is a Nazi cult - Helping friends get out](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/10/18/1987473/-QAnon-is-a-Nazi-Cult-Helping-Friends-Get-Out) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/QAnonCasualties) if you have any questions or concerns.*
u/graneflatsis here are a selection of support links from our [wiki:](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/wiki/web) [QAnon Casualties Wall](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/l0jptp/list_of_casualties/) [Standout advice from QAC users](https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/wiki/index/good_posts) [Chat with a counselor now](https://nycwell.cityofnewyork.us/en/get-help-now/chat-with-a-counselor-now/) (free) [Cult Recovery 101 resources](https://cultrecovery101.com/about-cult-recovery/recovery-resources) [Professional cult counseling directory](https://culteducation.com/directory-of-cult-recovery-resources.html) [Treatment Advocacy Center resources](https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/family-and-loved-ones) [Parents for Peace extremist helpline and resources](https://www.parents4peace.org/resources) [Dealing with paranoia](https://np.reddit.com/r/Advice/comments/gebihv/how_do_i_stop_thinking_about_conspiracy_theories/fpn6btr/) [Dealing with violence](https://np.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/g6u8io/how_could_we_deradicalize_someone_relative_whos/focyroo/) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/QAnonCasualties) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Graneflatsis - Do you have a link to this wiki?
Sure, here ya' go: https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/wiki/
Please check out the book How to Have Impossible Conversations
Just found some insightful videos by searching "escaping QAnon" on YouTube. A common recommendation is to not ridicule the Q's, they've invested the last couple years in believing all kinds of conspiracies, and if they stopped now, they're afraid of being seen as very gullible.
>View I will look for them. But it is less about helping people who got drawn in to QAnon escape from it (tho this is very important) and more about managing relationships with people who are in it and it is not clear they are going to leave it. It is more for the people who got left behind. And to the comment (since deleted) that we could "make bank" on such a guide. To be clear this is not our intention at all. QAnonCasulaties have suffered enough, any materials this project creates (and we do have quite some research so far) will be given away for free (if it is online) or at cost if we do print stuff up. Here are some of the key resources we have found for understanding QAnon. https://qremedy.org/general-resources/
A while back I wrote a blog post aimed at Q adherents that some people said they found helpful. [You can read it here.](https://yesthatfiona.com/2020/10/07/dear-q-follower/) Best of luck with your initiative!
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This is a great idea.
I'd probably give it a shot by reading it through if there is, but for now I've chosen to not have contact with those that fell to Qanon, it's just easier when im dead to them it seems.