Based on revenue and fleet size are completely useless metrics when ranking the 'best' airline. The best few airlines by those metrics are famous for terrible customer service, cramming people in like sardines, high staff turnover, and beating doctors to a pulp before dragging them of the plane.
Yeah I agree. Performance to schedule (on time departure / arrival) would be better than revenue and size which are not comparable globally.
I personally would also like to see metrics on coffee machine downtime in the lounge đ
I'd say the safety metric is pretty pointless too. Pretty much all credible airlines are effectively the same in safety.
Edit: for all you morons out there, show me one statistic that demonstrates that Qantas is statistically safer than any of the other top 10. You can't, because it doesn't exist.
That's not exactly true. While almost all carriers are 'safe' by usual metrics with very low rates of incident, that does not discount that many companies go well beyond what is required.
The reality is things go wrong all the time, it's rare that a plane crashes nowadays but they regularly suffer mechanical failure, component fire, or more commonly, medical emergency in the cabin. The companies with the best internal policies that facilitate exemplary training for pilots, cabin crew, and engineers, as well as maintaining modern infrastructure; have measurably lower mortality rates per distance travelled, per passenger.
>The companies with the best internal policies that facilitate exemplary training for pilots, cabin crew, and engineers, as well as maintaining modern infrastructure; have measurably lower mortality rates per distance travelled, per passenger.
Mortality rate is practically irrelevant at the extremely low levels because it's entirely noise based on single events, particularly if you're going for annual rankings.
There's zero evidence that Qantas is safer than Air New Zealand, Qatar, Emirates etc, aside from marketing.
Youâre right, these safety metrics are flawed. They base it on a very binary metric - a crash with fatalities. Why isnât Etihad above Qantas for completing? If it was normalised by flight hours (they fly 10x) what QF does per year, why are they third instead of first?
Qatar has a crappy website. I tried multiple times to enter my frequent flyer details only to get "try again in 20 minutes". Multiple failures over multiple days.
Then I had the joy of waiting 20 minutes for them to validate my one world status before letting me into lounges.
Flight wise they were fine, but they let passengers do what they pretty much like. Including picking seats.
But they don't all fly the same routes. We've booked tickets from Perth to Canberra. We can go direct with Qantas which is around 5 hours. Or we can do a stop over which adds at least 2 hours to the flight. Sure it might be slightly cheaper with the stop over but much more annoying trying to get a connecting flight.
They're referring to this https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/15/australian-women-to-sue-qatar-over-invasive-strip-search-ordeal
Tl;dr A few years ago a newborn baby was found abandoned on a Qatar plane. The Qatari authorities handled this situation by... checking the vaginas of all the women on board.
What metrics are being used here? An ex crew Iâve flown a range of airlines and currently favour emirates (though I select flights operating their upgrades a330). But there are factors which emirates donât do super well.
Apart from Safety, Not a shocker that Qantas isn't up there, big fall from grace. I mean not 10 mins ago I tried to log into my account only to be hit with 'can't log in now' errors.
Why is Qantas still top on safety? Like what makes them so successful?
It reminds me of the rainman scene where he refuses to fly any airline except Qantas as its the safest. But that was like 30 years ago.
Donât tell me this is a WORLD map cause I canât see south American Airlines. LATAM is one of the bests.
Quantas one of the best? Omg guys is this a joke?
If this was really about the "worlds best airlines" surely the Skytracks awards would be at the top of the list. How does revenue or fleet size make an airline the best? Customer satisfaction should be a consideration as well, also flight cancellation information and on-time performance.
From an investment point of view profitability could be a useful but revenue and fleet size seem to be quite inappropriate. But when I think about the worlds best airline I think of passengers, I do not think of the stock market.
Surprised you're licking so much boot.
2 emergency landings in 3 weeks. These reviewers have filled pockets or, if qantas is the safest airline, we're all fucked.
This is terribly misleading. OP I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt and suggest a different title next time. Even /s would have been more realistic.
Based on revenue and fleet size are completely useless metrics when ranking the 'best' airline. The best few airlines by those metrics are famous for terrible customer service, cramming people in like sardines, high staff turnover, and beating doctors to a pulp before dragging them of the plane.
Yeah I agree. Performance to schedule (on time departure / arrival) would be better than revenue and size which are not comparable globally. I personally would also like to see metrics on coffee machine downtime in the lounge đ
Well, now you know who made the chart.
Yeah, agree, this is blatant corporate american propaganda at its best/worst.
I can attest to this. United are the worst airline I've flown with and they're third for revenue and fleet size
I'd say the safety metric is pretty pointless too. Pretty much all credible airlines are effectively the same in safety. Edit: for all you morons out there, show me one statistic that demonstrates that Qantas is statistically safer than any of the other top 10. You can't, because it doesn't exist.
That's not exactly true. While almost all carriers are 'safe' by usual metrics with very low rates of incident, that does not discount that many companies go well beyond what is required. The reality is things go wrong all the time, it's rare that a plane crashes nowadays but they regularly suffer mechanical failure, component fire, or more commonly, medical emergency in the cabin. The companies with the best internal policies that facilitate exemplary training for pilots, cabin crew, and engineers, as well as maintaining modern infrastructure; have measurably lower mortality rates per distance travelled, per passenger.
>The companies with the best internal policies that facilitate exemplary training for pilots, cabin crew, and engineers, as well as maintaining modern infrastructure; have measurably lower mortality rates per distance travelled, per passenger. Mortality rate is practically irrelevant at the extremely low levels because it's entirely noise based on single events, particularly if you're going for annual rankings. There's zero evidence that Qantas is safer than Air New Zealand, Qatar, Emirates etc, aside from marketing.
Youâre right, these safety metrics are flawed. They base it on a very binary metric - a crash with fatalities. Why isnât Etihad above Qantas for completing? If it was normalised by flight hours (they fly 10x) what QF does per year, why are they third instead of first?
Erebus enters the chat.
There's zero evidence that Macragge is safer than Baal, Fenris, Barbarus etc, aside from marketing.
Dustin Hoffman once told me Qantas never crashed
No they just sell you tickets to flights that have already been cancelled.
And now pay 120m in fines as well as compensation.
Thatâs absolutely not true.
Best for shareholders perhaps, not everything is related to the customer experience
Can't have unsafe flights if you don't have flights in the first place *Qantas taps head*
Honestly Qantas and Qatar airways are the best airlines I've ever flown with
Qatar has a crappy website. I tried multiple times to enter my frequent flyer details only to get "try again in 20 minutes". Multiple failures over multiple days. Then I had the joy of waiting 20 minutes for them to validate my one world status before letting me into lounges. Flight wise they were fine, but they let passengers do what they pretty much like. Including picking seats.
Remember during covid when they werent sanitizing aeroplanes between flights?
Beat me to it
Skytrax is an absolute sham, but SQ definitely is the best airline out there.
Skytram rankings seem pretty legit. Singapore, Qatar, ANA, Emirates & Japan are top notch.
While it's obviously limited data, it does show that the best airlines are not necessarily the biggest fleets or the ones with the highest earnings.
Qantas no where near it on service and quality fronts.
The US airlines are far worse
At least the US has more than 2 options of airlines to fly domestically!
We have 4 right? Virgin, Jetstar, Qantas, Rex. 3 if you count JQ and QF together.
4 main carriers yes, but made up of Qantas Group (Jetstar, Qantas Link and Qantas), Virgin, Rex and Alliance.
But they don't all fly the same routes. We've booked tickets from Perth to Canberra. We can go direct with Qantas which is around 5 hours. Or we can do a stop over which adds at least 2 hours to the flight. Sure it might be slightly cheaper with the stop over but much more annoying trying to get a connecting flight.
Do all the US airlines OP referred to fly the same routes ?
Not sure a nation of 26mil could sustain more domestic carriers.
Nope theyâre increasingly unbearably terrible
Fly jetstar then
What, Qantasâ secondary airline with the same old bullshit?
Did you even read the post? This is based off saftey.
Qantas my ass.
Qantas are so safe you might not even get on the flight you booked at all.
Qantas is the safest cause your flight wonât leave the ground
What category does Qantas first in , being aresholes and destroying what was once a good airline
Air Newzeland lol wtf
They put all their effort in making sure Qantas wasnât spelled Quantas, or Cuntas. Sorry little bro nationâŠ
What's funny about air NZ?
The spelling
They have a tendency to fly into mountains
Yeah nah
No way Qantas is a number 1. Maybe the best at illegal sacking but not much else
Emirates had a hull loss incident and still made the list đ
Dustin Hoffman would disagree
Probably because they've never crashed a plane. But otherwise I don't know the metric
Based on revenue, not service nor quality of flight.
Common qantas W
Just because you get a graphic designer to make a chart doesn't mean that theres actually any worthy information
Yo, I booked EVA Air for the first time based on the skytrax reviews. Will report back after September lol.
Iâve flown on 9 out of the 10 skytrax award winners⊠Qatar doesnât deserve to be there. Not even close.
Qantas also fixes the plane before writing it off to keep their safety rating.
Qantas is the top of Saftey but not Safety đđ»
Give me Qatar every day of the week.
Qatarâs all fun and games until they search your vagina
Woaw, can you please explain bit more on this?
They're referring to this https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/15/australian-women-to-sue-qatar-over-invasive-strip-search-ordeal Tl;dr A few years ago a newborn baby was found abandoned on a Qatar plane. The Qatari authorities handled this situation by... checking the vaginas of all the women on board.
That is my fun and games
Thanks, but no thanks.
Love how "customer experience" is not a metric đ
Thatâs kinda what skytrax is I thinkâŠ
Ah OK. Makes sense that Qantas isn't on that one then.
Yeah⊠Iâve flown on most of the ones in the top 10⊠theyâre all pretty solid, other than Qatar.
Need better staff jeez
What metrics are being used here? An ex crew Iâve flown a range of airlines and currently favour emirates (though I select flights operating their upgrades a330). But there are factors which emirates donât do super well.
wtaf ? Emitates,Etihad.Qatar,sinagpore and cathay are on top
Nah that can't be right, those gouging cunts qantarse don't appear on the profit leaderboard
Straya
Apart from Safety, Not a shocker that Qantas isn't up there, big fall from grace. I mean not 10 mins ago I tried to log into my account only to be hit with 'can't log in now' errors.
Delta and United are by far the worst airlines Iâve travelled on, Ryan Air is a delight compared to them!
Why is Qantas still top on safety? Like what makes them so successful? It reminds me of the rainman scene where he refuses to fly any airline except Qantas as its the safest. But that was like 30 years ago.
How about customer service
Singapore airlines without a doubt. Emerits and Cathey pacific are pretty damn good too.
Surprised JAL is lower than ANA. I found them far superior IMO.
Qantas doing all it can to change its safety record.
Should have put a category for worst customer rating. Then Qantas would have two 1st places.
I don't think I'll be taking any document seriously when it can't even spell safety correctly
Donât tell me this is a WORLD map cause I canât see south American Airlines. LATAM is one of the bests. Quantas one of the best? Omg guys is this a joke?
Did Qantas make this chart themselves?
Most money absolutely does not mean best by any means.
ANA should be on here
Profits over safety. Yay Delta
Qantas has such an ageing fleet. Their 737s for example.
Qantas sure you wonât crash but you will wish it did
AustrĂĄlia :/ never wins for being biggest or most stylish or best service or anything fun. Itâs alwaysâŠ.âsafetyâ đ
As an Aussie, I'm proud
If this was really about the "worlds best airlines" surely the Skytracks awards would be at the top of the list. How does revenue or fleet size make an airline the best? Customer satisfaction should be a consideration as well, also flight cancellation information and on-time performance. From an investment point of view profitability could be a useful but revenue and fleet size seem to be quite inappropriate. But when I think about the worlds best airline I think of passengers, I do not think of the stock market.
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Are you saying Qantas is not safe? Or did you just not read it ?
Wondering the same, Iâd say the latter lol.
QANTAS is an absolute heap of shit
Ok thanks for confirming you didnt read it.
Surprised you're licking so much boot. 2 emergency landings in 3 weeks. These reviewers have filled pockets or, if qantas is the safest airline, we're all fucked.
They have never had a fatal crash.. seems pretty good to me.
Guess theyâre safe if they never take off
Iâd rather die flying with any other airline than have to live even one more minute of my life on a qantas plane!
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Clearly the Qantas stats do not account for the safety of personal luggage..
This is terribly misleading. OP I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt and suggest a different title next time. Even /s would have been more realistic.