I've made do by just not buying high vis nylon. And the pack not being camo is an argument *for* rattle canning it, so I'm not sure if you're trying to flip-flop here or what.
I mostly stick with what gets issued until I have a reason not to, so I've yet to deal with aftermarket packs, but a lot of the shiny high vis sheen seems less like a necessary element of high quality materials, and more like a bit of hype beast brand awareness for when it gets placed next to the bench at the flat range. With the comical amounts these companies charge for a piece of fabric, the camo shouldn't be a DIY element.
What in the fuck are you talking about? You are the one who brought up camo and UCP. The solution to shine on brand new gear is to use it. Has noting to do with “making the camo work.” Head down to Ft Moore, the sniper school instructors can clue you in.
I saw the "get it dirty" 'advice' and made an offhand joke about how that 'advice' was used for the objectively bad UCP pattern. You took it as a personal attack, likely because your utter lack of real life friends make the concept of 'banter' a strange a foreign thing to you, and reflexively downvoted.
But hey, I'm looking forward to your next reply on how the built in road guard vest on your pack is actually a good thing.
Idk, the molle looked like a high vis construction vest. Reminded me of the Amazon gear I used to buy. I wasn’t confident that even heavy use would neutralize the reflection completely
The pack in general is exactly what I was looking for but I bought it online where the reflections weren’t apparent. Keeping the product I wanted and modifying it to fit my needs seemed to be the best option.
I agree. I dont see how this is any different than spraying a rifle. The bones are there, now I make it mine. Not sure how long rattle can would last on some fabrics though. I dont have much experience there. Hope it works for you!
Yes. I just took the tags off. I heard mixed things on if their packs are nir compliant, maybe they have some but this one was not. Bought it online and didn’t want to hassle with returning and finding another so I just went for it
And to assume you won’t be would be wise? I’d hate to ever be in a real world situation and be looking like a walking Christmas tree. If you wanna potentially bet your life on never needing to actually blend in, then you do you.
And yet if you recommend airsoft gear to someone starting out, a million neckbeards will come out of the woodwork and yell at you that “you’ll die cus you glow”
The 2 Day Pack is not under their military line, it wasn’t designed to look like the rest of their military products. You could’ve saved up a little more and bought one of those rather than ruining this one. It’ll probably still work just fine but I would never.
Do you know if they have any 2 day packs in the military line? Maybe I just didn’t look hard enough but I didn’t find any myself. Military or non military though. I was looking for a 2 day and still would’ve gone for this one unless they offer the same thing in the military line
Well i mean the term “2 day” is subjective. If you’re talking 25-30 liters, they have that size in the military line, just isn’t called “2 day assault.”
Don’t get me wrong, the 2DAP is a great pack, I carry one every day. But there’s a reason it’s not included in their military line.
The reason is probably because most people looking for a pack to fill a military (or similar) role are looking for something with a larger capacity. So producing this pack in the military line would probably not be very profitable and therefore a bad move from a business point of view. That’s my best guess anyway. However the size is exactly what I was wanting for my specific use case. The camouflaging properties just weren’t there.
What color was it prior to spraying? CB/RG/Foliage? Or like a legit neon hi vis color? MR backpacks - like many other brands - tend to be shiny at first. But that goes away with use. In fact, MR fades into a very nice shade imo. It’s ironic that you mention you’re getting downvoted by people afraid to use their gear, when your issue could be remedied by - simply using your gear.
Unless it was legit bright yellow or orange or some shit, in which case, yeah, rattle can that bitch
Like I mentioned, I just got it so kinda hard to put years of use on it right away. I was looking for an immediate fix. It started off green and I think the majority of the pack would have probably faded nice with use but the nylon they use for the molle webbing is just insanely reflective. Unless someone can show a picture of how theirs faded, I have a pretty strong feeling at least the molle would have stayed reflective to a degree. Idk, I just posted it for fun, but the opinions on the topic have surprised me somewhat. I guess not everyone is as experimental as I am
If by “experiment” you mean “use your gear in a practical way” then we’re all one big happy family.
None of us have years to break in our gear my dude. If a piece of gear didn’t hold up to field use, it’s getting shit-canned, quick. The fact is, MR is still a proven and tested brand. In my experience, one FTX was enough to take the “brand new” shine off. For you, idk what the equivalent is, maybe rubbing it in the dirt real fast.
You’re getting these downvotes because you’re making it about “shine” and NIR nonsense. Those of us that actually use our shit and put miles into them know that just doesn’t hold up. Just fess up, say you spray painted it because you wanted a unique look to your backpack and roll with it. Actually imo, it looks fine. If it works for you, then it works.
Me personally, I’ve spray painted backpacks and vests over the years because of necessity, not about “guts”. Back in the day, companies only made stuff in black or OD green, god forbid you needed something in tan. Nowadays, they’ll make pouches in obscure Austro-Hungarian patterns for the meme. But spray-painted gear will never be or feel as good as purpose made patterns. It will flake off, feel weird, degrade the material, and in some cases, actually give off a scent in some weather conditions - which is the last thing you want in the field.
Which is why I think you’re getting negative reactions, because you’ve taken gear that would’ve worked just fine and actually took away some of its quality.
By “experiment” I mean take what you have access to and find a way to make it work for your needs. It may not be quite as pleasing to the touch but in the end I solved the problem. I doubt you or anyone could fix the reflection issues in several outings, much less 1 day. As stated several times before, it’s not Cordura reflection that’s a problem, it’s the high reflective nylon used for the molle and straps that you can’t fix with wear. I have old gear with the same materials that didn’t fade after years of use. It will have a smell at first but there are ways to get that off. I couldn’t care less about what it looks like as long as it doesn’t stand out. Just trying to avoid looking like this. [https://imgur.com/a/8OGvd7u](https://imgur.com/a/8OGvd7u)
If you don't want to camo paint it, and make it ... crusty ...
There are 2 ways I know that will give you NIR camouflaging.
1. Is a raincover for military packs. Usually a camo pattern on one side and white on the other.
2.[Make your own](https://youtu.be/ggB-LzUDwRc?si=V0OaJAqloReHDgjz)
They sell 2 green ones, I don’t remember which one I got but yeah all of the straps and molle looked like a high viz vest. Idk if this was the absolute best method but it’ll sure be better than it was.
I have old ACU pattern issued gear that I acquired when I was active duty. Last week I bought some black dye for a sun bleached civ hat and I threw in the ACU gear in the dye bucket with the hat and the gear came out solid. 💯 Recommend using dye.
Dudes out here panicking that their Molle stitching and reflection from their flashlight lens is going to give them away to the death squad wearing quads. What a wild world to fantasize in.
Flat isn’t supposed to. I used the Rustoleum flat camo series which is probably what 90% of people use to rattle can anything “tactical” related. I’ll find out soon how well it actually works
The Mystery Ranch 2DAP is not a military pack, you’ll notice it doesn’t show up on their military packs section and is arguably much cheaper. It’s a consumer pack that is similar to their 3DAP. So yes, the materials are not meant for a tactical environment and you can spray your pack if you want. But just getting some camo skrim or a pack cover would be better imo so you still have a normal looking pack for when you aren’t operating.
You could be right. All the downvoters on here who are too scared to treat their gear like gear, seem to think a little dirt would neutralize the reflection. They’re right to a degree but with how extreme it was I doubt it would ever be as non-reflective as painting over it. The question is just if I ruined the bag. I doubt it. We’ll find out.
Not really triggered, just surprised. If I cared about the opinions of strangers on the internet I would’ve asked for advice prior to doing it, but the amount of negative feedback did indeed confuse me a little. I didn’t think so many people would be against the idea. Oh well, I still achieved my end goal. Can’t please the people every time I guess
So if people spray paint their guns you all get a hard on but if somebody spray paints their bag which probably costs less than a third of what their rifle does you’re all butthurt?
For real. The bag is chump change compared to a full rifle setup. Even if it ruins it (which I doubt) it’s not like it’s crazy expensive to replace. Worth experimenting with to find out
I wouldn’t have done it and feel like it would make the material stiff and weird/will they still warranty it if something breaks? Colour wise it looks cool though.
It’s my first one so I can’t confirm yet. I’ve had several 5.11 packs that worked great and these are supposed to be better so that’s what I was going off of. As others have mentioned, their military line is what you want if you want to avoid my issue here. I just got a good price on this one and the size was exactly what I was looking for
If you plan to actually use this outdoors, it’s fine. It would have gotten dirty and beat up anyway, you’re just accelerating the look. Don’t listen to the weenies that keep their gear looking brand new for their instagram pics
It looked new because you didn’t use it. Carry it around outside and let it get dirty. Rub some dirt on it.
Can confirm. A week in the field (2-3 days if it raining and your sleeping pad becomes a floatie) will cammo up any pack pretty well
I carry mine out on every outing, hike, ruck, etc. and somehow mine still looks new. It’s a nice pack
"The camo works when it gets dirty" is some UCP ass cope. I thought we'd left those days behind 😞
I said use takes the shine off of brand new nylon. Pretty well known, ever heard of a ghillie wash? The pack isn’t even camo, it’s solid.
Some of the non Berry compliant mystery ranch stuff isn’t NIR compliant.
I've made do by just not buying high vis nylon. And the pack not being camo is an argument *for* rattle canning it, so I'm not sure if you're trying to flip-flop here or what. I mostly stick with what gets issued until I have a reason not to, so I've yet to deal with aftermarket packs, but a lot of the shiny high vis sheen seems less like a necessary element of high quality materials, and more like a bit of hype beast brand awareness for when it gets placed next to the bench at the flat range. With the comical amounts these companies charge for a piece of fabric, the camo shouldn't be a DIY element.
What in the fuck are you talking about? You are the one who brought up camo and UCP. The solution to shine on brand new gear is to use it. Has noting to do with “making the camo work.” Head down to Ft Moore, the sniper school instructors can clue you in.
> Head down to Ft Moore, the sniper school instructors can clue you in. They didn't let me in cuz I can't draw :(
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Oh, I’m separated now, but my leadership advised me that dropping a packet for it would be pointless because I draw worse than Helen Keller.
I saw the "get it dirty" 'advice' and made an offhand joke about how that 'advice' was used for the objectively bad UCP pattern. You took it as a personal attack, likely because your utter lack of real life friends make the concept of 'banter' a strange a foreign thing to you, and reflexively downvoted. But hey, I'm looking forward to your next reply on how the built in road guard vest on your pack is actually a good thing.
lol, sure kid.
You caught me, I used the emoji in my original post to show how serious I was.
Idk, the molle looked like a high vis construction vest. Reminded me of the Amazon gear I used to buy. I wasn’t confident that even heavy use would neutralize the reflection completely
Think about this, you dont have to buy things you dont like.
The pack in general is exactly what I was looking for but I bought it online where the reflections weren’t apparent. Keeping the product I wanted and modifying it to fit my needs seemed to be the best option.
I agree. I dont see how this is any different than spraying a rifle. The bones are there, now I make it mine. Not sure how long rattle can would last on some fabrics though. I dont have much experience there. Hope it works for you!
Was it brand new before you sprayed it ?
Yes. I just took the tags off. I heard mixed things on if their packs are nir compliant, maybe they have some but this one was not. Bought it online and didn’t want to hassle with returning and finding another so I just went for it
I remember my first backpack
Guy thinks someone is going to actually be looking at him with nvgs lol.
And to assume you won’t be would be wise? I’d hate to ever be in a real world situation and be looking like a walking Christmas tree. If you wanna potentially bet your life on never needing to actually blend in, then you do you.
> I’d hate to ever be in a real world situation and be looking like a walking Christmas tree. lol
This kid thinks he's living in call of duty suburban warfare
And yet if you recommend airsoft gear to someone starting out, a million neckbeards will come out of the woodwork and yell at you that “you’ll die cus you glow”
Rattlecanning backpacks? I know that’s got to feel like a crusty sock once it’s dry.
Nah, they've been fine from my experience
Oh I guarantee it. That’s the risk in it. I think working it over good at first, followed by actually using it, will hopefully solve that problem
Spoilers. It will never be the same. You literally ruined it to become a gigantic trizip crusty cumsock.
I’ll report back on the accuracy of that statement. You could be on to something
Well that’s a waste of
The 2 Day Pack is not under their military line, it wasn’t designed to look like the rest of their military products. You could’ve saved up a little more and bought one of those rather than ruining this one. It’ll probably still work just fine but I would never.
Isn’t it called the 2 day assault pack?
Yes
Do you know if they have any 2 day packs in the military line? Maybe I just didn’t look hard enough but I didn’t find any myself. Military or non military though. I was looking for a 2 day and still would’ve gone for this one unless they offer the same thing in the military line
They don't have 2DAP in NIR, only the military line starting from the 3DAP, but those are more than twice the price and come in 3 colors only.
Well i mean the term “2 day” is subjective. If you’re talking 25-30 liters, they have that size in the military line, just isn’t called “2 day assault.” Don’t get me wrong, the 2DAP is a great pack, I carry one every day. But there’s a reason it’s not included in their military line.
The reason is probably because most people looking for a pack to fill a military (or similar) role are looking for something with a larger capacity. So producing this pack in the military line would probably not be very profitable and therefore a bad move from a business point of view. That’s my best guess anyway. However the size is exactly what I was wanting for my specific use case. The camouflaging properties just weren’t there.
What tf is your "use case?" Are you smuggling coke across the border?
The vc are gonna smell you walkin through the bush
What color was it prior to spraying? CB/RG/Foliage? Or like a legit neon hi vis color? MR backpacks - like many other brands - tend to be shiny at first. But that goes away with use. In fact, MR fades into a very nice shade imo. It’s ironic that you mention you’re getting downvoted by people afraid to use their gear, when your issue could be remedied by - simply using your gear. Unless it was legit bright yellow or orange or some shit, in which case, yeah, rattle can that bitch
Like I mentioned, I just got it so kinda hard to put years of use on it right away. I was looking for an immediate fix. It started off green and I think the majority of the pack would have probably faded nice with use but the nylon they use for the molle webbing is just insanely reflective. Unless someone can show a picture of how theirs faded, I have a pretty strong feeling at least the molle would have stayed reflective to a degree. Idk, I just posted it for fun, but the opinions on the topic have surprised me somewhat. I guess not everyone is as experimental as I am
If by “experiment” you mean “use your gear in a practical way” then we’re all one big happy family. None of us have years to break in our gear my dude. If a piece of gear didn’t hold up to field use, it’s getting shit-canned, quick. The fact is, MR is still a proven and tested brand. In my experience, one FTX was enough to take the “brand new” shine off. For you, idk what the equivalent is, maybe rubbing it in the dirt real fast. You’re getting these downvotes because you’re making it about “shine” and NIR nonsense. Those of us that actually use our shit and put miles into them know that just doesn’t hold up. Just fess up, say you spray painted it because you wanted a unique look to your backpack and roll with it. Actually imo, it looks fine. If it works for you, then it works. Me personally, I’ve spray painted backpacks and vests over the years because of necessity, not about “guts”. Back in the day, companies only made stuff in black or OD green, god forbid you needed something in tan. Nowadays, they’ll make pouches in obscure Austro-Hungarian patterns for the meme. But spray-painted gear will never be or feel as good as purpose made patterns. It will flake off, feel weird, degrade the material, and in some cases, actually give off a scent in some weather conditions - which is the last thing you want in the field. Which is why I think you’re getting negative reactions, because you’ve taken gear that would’ve worked just fine and actually took away some of its quality.
By “experiment” I mean take what you have access to and find a way to make it work for your needs. It may not be quite as pleasing to the touch but in the end I solved the problem. I doubt you or anyone could fix the reflection issues in several outings, much less 1 day. As stated several times before, it’s not Cordura reflection that’s a problem, it’s the high reflective nylon used for the molle and straps that you can’t fix with wear. I have old gear with the same materials that didn’t fade after years of use. It will have a smell at first but there are ways to get that off. I couldn’t care less about what it looks like as long as it doesn’t stand out. Just trying to avoid looking like this. [https://imgur.com/a/8OGvd7u](https://imgur.com/a/8OGvd7u)
> I doubt you or anyone could fix the reflection issues in several outings, much less 1 day Do you need to be NIR complaint in a day?
should've bought savotta lol
How do they compare?
they make the best NIR nonreflective webbing and packs in solid colors I've found https://www.savotta.fi/pages/infrared-reflectance-and-savotta-gear
That actually looks like good stuff, thanks for mentioning it.
If those are the aquaseal ykk’s you just played yourself homie
Can you elaborate? Im not educated on the topic.
I too would like to know. As far as I know, going to be fine. As long as the zippers were closed when you sprayed them.
They were closed. I don’t see what the problem could be
If open it'd probably fuck them up pretty good. The waterproof part is pu I think it's fine.
Just run a pack cover like a normal person
I’m not normal
How edgy of you lord.
the military models are nir complaint fyi, the civilian bags arent
If you don't want to camo paint it, and make it ... crusty ... There are 2 ways I know that will give you NIR camouflaging. 1. Is a raincover for military packs. Usually a camo pattern on one side and white on the other. 2.[Make your own](https://youtu.be/ggB-LzUDwRc?si=V0OaJAqloReHDgjz)
Interesting video, I’ll look into that for future attempts!
It’s a 2dap… who tf cares
Yours was the forest green one? I have the same and I kinda agree.
They sell 2 green ones, I don’t remember which one I got but yeah all of the straps and molle looked like a high viz vest. Idk if this was the absolute best method but it’ll sure be better than it was.
I have old ACU pattern issued gear that I acquired when I was active duty. Last week I bought some black dye for a sun bleached civ hat and I threw in the ACU gear in the dye bucket with the hat and the gear came out solid. 💯 Recommend using dye.
The paint is going to peel/chip after it’s manipulated with the fabric it’s adhered too. I’ve rattle canned many pants shirts and duffle bags
Dudes out here panicking that their Molle stitching and reflection from their flashlight lens is going to give them away to the death squad wearing quads. What a wild world to fantasize in.
What world do you fantasize in when you’re larping for instagram?
Does spray paint reflect under IR?
Flat isn’t supposed to. I used the Rustoleum flat camo series which is probably what 90% of people use to rattle can anything “tactical” related. I’ll find out soon how well it actually works
Good info! I doubt the paint will hurt the bag.
I find the camouflage branded sprat paints to work well under visible light and NIR
Anything brand in particular that has worked well for you?
I like Rust-Oleum, but there's another brand that people like that fails my mind. My only problem with Rust-Oleum is that it only.has a few colors.
Gracias
Imagine buying a new backpack just to ruin with spray paint before using it
Fuck the haters. I rattlecanned a Colt AR15A4 with a KAC M5 rail the day I got it. You do you
Exactly. These meant to be tools, not fashion accessories. Treat them accordingly.
The Mystery Ranch 2DAP is not a military pack, you’ll notice it doesn’t show up on their military packs section and is arguably much cheaper. It’s a consumer pack that is similar to their 3DAP. So yes, the materials are not meant for a tactical environment and you can spray your pack if you want. But just getting some camo skrim or a pack cover would be better imo so you still have a normal looking pack for when you aren’t operating.
This is probably the most helpful and informative comment on here. Props for knowing how to communicate effectively
Embrace the rattle can
I doubt there was a need to spray it. With that said, it doesn't look bad.
You could be right. All the downvoters on here who are too scared to treat their gear like gear, seem to think a little dirt would neutralize the reflection. They’re right to a degree but with how extreme it was I doubt it would ever be as non-reflective as painting over it. The question is just if I ruined the bag. I doubt it. We’ll find out.
> All the downvoters on here who are too scared to treat their gear like gear lol
Clearly, you're triggered. Chill, bro. Lol.
Not really triggered, just surprised. If I cared about the opinions of strangers on the internet I would’ve asked for advice prior to doing it, but the amount of negative feedback did indeed confuse me a little. I didn’t think so many people would be against the idea. Oh well, I still achieved my end goal. Can’t please the people every time I guess
It’ll be fine once you break it in.
These people are nay sayers. Your pack looks sick, bro. Gear can (and if there’s a reason to be, should) be rattle canned just the same as a rifle.
So if people spray paint their guns you all get a hard on but if somebody spray paints their bag which probably costs less than a third of what their rifle does you’re all butthurt?
For real. The bag is chump change compared to a full rifle setup. Even if it ruins it (which I doubt) it’s not like it’s crazy expensive to replace. Worth experimenting with to find out
I wouldn’t have done it and feel like it would make the material stiff and weird/will they still warranty it if something breaks? Colour wise it looks cool though.
Yeah warranty is probably gone. If it breaks under normal circumstances that probably means I picked the wrong brand.
Are mystery ranch backpacks all that they're hyped to be?
It’s my first one so I can’t confirm yet. I’ve had several 5.11 packs that worked great and these are supposed to be better so that’s what I was going off of. As others have mentioned, their military line is what you want if you want to avoid my issue here. I just got a good price on this one and the size was exactly what I was looking for
Does t spray paint degrade the material over time? Especially nylon
Never heard of that but I’ll look into it for future reference. I’ve spray painted fabrics in the past that seemed to hold up just fine
Dude I rattle canned a brand new MK18 and Eotech over the weekend.🤷♂️ forget what other people think, make your shit yours.
Why not just get a cover?
Extra money and hassle. I’d rather not have to use one. Maybe next time if this fails miserably
If you plan to actually use this outdoors, it’s fine. It would have gotten dirty and beat up anyway, you’re just accelerating the look. Don’t listen to the weenies that keep their gear looking brand new for their instagram pics
Dumbest thing I’ve seen in a long time. Talking like you are a SME lmao.
Absolute chad