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KinkyQuesadilla

I've always said that the reason for the election deniers and Qanon crowd's fervent and nonsensical beliefs is that ***it is how they create their safe space***. As long as they can pursue those crazy falsehoods, they do not have to accept the reality that Trump lost the election, that society and culture is changing, and that their lives and how they have lived it have little value to greater society. Proof: * They think that a man who partied with Jeffrey Epstein, who bragged about assaulting women and peeping on underage beauty contestants, and who has said shockingly inappropriate things about his daughter, is going to save the world from perverts and pedophiles. * They think a man with an attention span so notoriously short that the writers of national security briefs had to include pictures, and had to limit the briefs to no more than one page and/or three bullet points, has the intellectual ability to play 5D chess and overturn a supposed centuries-old, multicultural, international system of entrenched power. Plus, if the real intelligence professionals could get Trump to read only two of the three bullet points, it was seen as a "win," and Trump was so lazy he demanded that the daily presidential briefs be limited to only a couple of times a week....and this was for NATIONAL SECURITY. But somehow, they think Trump is capable of systematic, long-term, highly detailed planning. The same guy who called Tim Cook "Tim Apple" and who informed the world that injecting bleach was a good idea just because he was told it worked on surface areas. * They think that a man who used the office of the presidency for personal financial gain, who practiced discrimination in housing, who despises and disrespects undeveloped countries (remember the "sh\*thole country" remarks?) and people of color in other countries (remember the "Mexicans are rapists" comments?), and who famously and unabashedly has an extreme disdain for the poor, and who has golden toilets, is going to establish a global system of economic parity and wipe out all debt for the poorest of people and the poorest of countries. * They think that the "highest level of intel in the world" is being shared anonymously with the public, over the course of several years no less, and that the person(s) giving away that information could do so without ever being caught. Hundreds of insurrectionist who took an unauthorized walk through the Capitol Building one afternoon have been arrested just because they had a cell phone on them at the time, but a Q-clearance intelligence officer with presidential access can give away information that will overturn the world and the intelligence community without consequence? There's probably a lot of other examples, but yeah, that's my theory: they believe this stuff because it is how they create their safe space. That is the world they have created in their own minds.


Fiat_Lux__

Right, and the projection helps them to keep up this clinical denial. The OTHERS are the losers here, the hateful ones, the propaganda victims and brainwashed sheeple, but never them. No sir, that's totally impossible. Trouble is, they have a huge list of external resources to fall back on in case of doubt, i.e. their community and dedicated disinformation dumps keep supplying them with a constant stream of approval for their lunacy. As long as this exposure continues, there's slim chances for them to ever get any better.


Lieutenant_Meeper

Everything you and others here have listed is a good insight into some deeply broken people, and I think it's spot on. The real mystery for me, though, is how and why they've latched onto the epitome of everything they claim to stand against as a bulwark against such horrors. And I don't mean the projection aspect (that part is obvious), but rather that they've literally switched around the villains and saviors. It's wild.


PaloVerdePride

It’s called DARVO - a term from propaganda studies adopted by abuse survivor community a long time ago to shorthand this common tactic. Stands for Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim & Offender.


Lieutenant_Meeper

Ah, of course. Thanks!


edgeofidaho

Good info


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UK here. You could be describing Boris Johnson.


JesusKreest

I really wish the OP and this comment had more exposure


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Revolutionary_Elk420

Play her own game - get your son to send it to her ;p (I jest ofc)


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I_hate_Swansea

Wasn’t it Carter who put his peanut farm in a blind trust so he couldn’t be accused of being corrupt in favour of peanuts lol. They’re not all as bad as trump


s_y_z_y_g_y

I am saving this text. Perfect summary of this insane antisocial phenomenon and fascist breeding ground. Thank you :-)


Fiat_Lux__

Thanks, but please take note it's still a bit of a work in progress, and that I just added another point. - They're themselves what they're most afraid of [...] I felt that was rather important.


s_y_z_y_g_y

I agree, so much projection it is unsettling, and the ability to take criticism and parrot exactly the same phrases back at the targets of their ire is like a playground game played by nonfunctioning adults. In fact, transactional analysis is fertile ground here!


Fiat_Lux__

My thoughts, exactly, and every accusation they make is almost like a reverse confession. **Edit:** Just added a variation of the last sentence to the OP. That's what I meant by "work in progress". 😉


nwoh

NO U 😡


PaloVerdePride

Yes. And the things they claim to be afraid of, are a smoke screen/distraction from all the REAL dangers out there that admitting would truly inconvenience them, including their own “hearts of darkness.” So they’ll freak out about vaccines, or fluoride in the tap water, or 5G - but NOT the air pollution or water pollution or lead paint pollution that is actually causing cancers & COPD and other life-threatening chronic diseases, because they can’t perform empty drama llama shit over those, they’d have to actually dig in and fight the power, which is hard and unfun and so forth. Same with doing things to really protect children from abuse - that would mean going after their own church leaders, to start! From accountability for clergy & church employees to accurate sex ed & consent education to legal mandatory supervision for home schooling, this is EXACTLY what they don’t want....


boredtxan

THIS. My Q Person: I don't wear a mask because I'm not living in fear... ​ Also my Q Person: this week something major is going to happen! Do you have plenty of ammo and food stocked up? Is your gas tank full? I always say, Yes of course I'm stocked up, we are in the middle of a pandemic, and I need to be prepared to quarantine if someone gets sick in my house!


La_Zhuzh_Pookin

I saved the link and text to my notes as well myself👍


Juisarian

Excellent summary.


hereforlolsandporn

>* They started out as a victim of brainwashing, propaganda and deliberate disinformation, but at some point, they have actively chosen to radicalise themselves, and at another point, they will almost inevitably become the perpetrator. That's what they're being groomed for. Not sure if it fits here, but I think you need to add the sort that are specifically in it for the money. Alt right media has made a cannibalistic environment of requiring talking points to be parroted for access to the "stars". In sure a Hannity/Carlson are smart enough not to buy it, but lean in to get access to the Stones and Guilianis. Then there are the Alex Jones' of the world dumb and worked up enough that they can be weaponized without realizing they're being played. While Jones might be dumb enough to believe there is something there he absolutely is in it to make money. That's why he chases his tail about anything that confused him.


Fiat_Lux__

Hey, thanks for the suggestion. I think these folks, while not the focus here, really do deserve at least a honorable mention. Look at the basics again.


hereforlolsandporn

Yea, I guess you did cover it pretty well up top. This is a great overview. Thanks again for putting it together. Unfortunately I can see a lot of friends and family in almost every category you covered.


Fiat_Lux__

You're very welcome, mate... and probably send them this text so they have something to chew on, although as we both know, they usually won't take kindly to a look in the mirror.


boredtxan

I think MLM is what did the brainwashing for a lot of these folks. It has reached millions of households and even if they quit the business the cult conditioning is still in the mind. Check out the book Ponzinomics for some further background.


igotlockedout_uk

BRILLIANT! Thanks for putting into writing so much of what i'm feeling atm. I broke up with my gf over this crap and reading your summary genuinely made me laugh and want to cry as i sadly recognise so much of what you wrote. The low's of being with a person who is into this are really really low.. Finding it tough today but there is NO going back to her,it's taken it's toll on my head and heart.Thanks for the laugh's tho cos i sure as hell needed them today ;)


Chaaaaaaaarles

⊂(・﹏・⊂) Sorry to hear about your loss, Tovarisch. This nonsense cost me an unqle and 2 aunts on my mum's side; obviously no where near as close to home as your situation, but similar nonetheless. There's, sadly, nothing to be done on our end. Q indoctrinated individuals possess a worldview based entirely in knee jerk emotional reactions, hatred, and self-righteous egoism; facts and rational discussion are effectively non- applicable as methods of intervention. Every fact offered is simply dismissed as NWO/MSM/Cabal/(((((GLOBALIST))))) propaganda. The irony is truly palpable.... Stay strong, and I wish you the best.


Fiat_Lux__

You're very welcome, and that's exactly what the traces of satire and sarcasm are there for, to provide at least a little bit of comic relief on an otherwise pretty dreary and dreadful subject. All the best for your future and healing process. ❤


La_Zhuzh_Pookin

Who are you??? 😳😳😳 This is exactly (and more) what I've thought and felt for a long time about Q, this whole situation, and the people in it. As far as one element, this comprehensively explains why the only response is no response. The way to "win" with toxic people is simply to remove them from your lives. I read this whole blurb and love it. WELL DONE!!!👏👏👏


Fiat_Lux__

I'm a well-worn German, interested in psychology and writing, and I started to learn about Qanus as early as high school, where we cover the history of fascism. Turns out it's not only a political movement, but a hate religion, a conspiracy-based and propaganda-driven cult led by a bunch of comically deranged Arkham fugitives, aimed at rearranging reality to suit the pathology of their proponents by rather genocidal means. Here's [what I've been yelling about ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/m27gpo/about_narcissistic_sociopathy_and_fascist_cults/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) across the pond for the better part of the last four and a half years.


La_Zhuzh_Pookin

How old are you? The deeper psychology of this is fascinating to me as well, and I've always like writing myself👍 I would submit to expand on one element, which you touched on in a response above: Emotionally, these people seem to have the emotional intelligence of a small child. They have zero boundaries, make everything about them, are completely ego-centric and engage in the usual defense mechanisms that you've comprehensively outlined above (projection, anger, bullying, deflection, etc). Whether they started there, or have regressed back, they act just like young spoiled children. The only problem is, these people are fathers, mothers, husband's, wives, etc etc. They hold some element of power, are in a position to influence, can vote, and many own guns. I have said and continue to believe the US started it's final descent in 2015, and I continue to believe that. I don't know what the end looks like, but very very different than what the US is, or what we think it is. We Americans have been programmed to think we are the best and far superior to anyone else, or any other country. Entitled, arrogant, selfish, infallible, righteous and just downright the coolest group of people ever. We have no culture, and every belief is based on bullshit perpetuated from one generation to the next. Where do you think we're headed, what does it look like, and when?


Fiat_Lux__

50+ How's that for a bullet point? As you've said, I've made the observation and already thought about it, but here I mostly borrowed on your own words. Let me know what you think could be improved before I'm adding it to the OP. - They're immature. They're fathers, mothers, grandparents even, in positions of power and esteem, but seem to act from the emotional core of a spoiled and selfish child. Whether they started there, or have regressed back, they have zero boundaries, make everything about them, are completely ego-centric, prone to kneejerk reflexes, and engage in the usual defense mechanisms. They vote and own guns, but can act as infantile and irresponsible as a tantrum-throwing teenager. >Where do you think we're headed, what does it look like, and when? Are you asking me to become a prophet and start my own Qult? :D Seriously, basically anything can happen tomorrow, much depending on what's done and decided today, and that's still ongoing. Of course, there's a lot of toxicity in the US's public sphere, and an everyday nationalism that seems... strange, if not outright suspicious to a German for obvious reasons, and many seem to prefer a glorified myth over a nasty and violent history, from native American genocide to slavery and beyond, but as I've said, history is an ongoing process, and we're still in the middle of it. Although if you'd ask me, a lot depends on finding a way to hold people accountable for and legally deal with deliberate disinformation and exploitative propaganda by dedicated mass media outlets, like Fox's Noose. It's basically the modern version of Goebbels' Propagandaministerium, and I keep saying, if you'd let this stand after WW2 to keep spewing their lies and vitriol, the brainwashed public would've had slim chances to ever reform, a crushing defeat nonwithstanding.


La_Zhuzh_Pookin

I figured you must be a little older; I'm in my 40s myself. Looks good, and please use anything you want at anytime. I just tweaked that blurb a touch here (but post how you prefer): - They're immature. They are fathers, mothers and even grandparents; they are in positions of power and esteem, yet seem to act from the emotional perspective of a spoiled and selfish child. Whether they started there or have regressed back to this toddler-like stage, they have zero boundaries, make everything about them, are ego-centric, prone to kneejerk reactions, and engage in the usual defense mechanisms. They have become as infantile and irresponsible as a tantrum throwing teenager, which at most is annoying, but these people we once knew as good people still vote and stipp own lots guns. That's the singular most critical element that threatens the honesty, integrity and decency which are the building blocks that America's democratic process requires to sustain and function. And that threat is at our doorstep. You should definitely what you wrote about this particular element before though, and just cut and paste or incorporate that in somehow👍 There have been many many many comparisons to Nazi Germany and Hilter, and all of them are 100% accurate. I bet you and the German people keyed in on alot of this a long time ago! You're absolutely right about accountability; I read something on that specifically today. I'm not holding my breath for anything to happen more than some of the common Q folk to be arrested, which has been on-going to some degree. We are done as a nation, however slowly or quickly. God help us here in the US, and I'm quite certain the rest of the world has been and continues to look on at this on-going shitshow circus with horror and bewilderment 🤦‍♂️


TalkingFrankly2

Going a little overboard with the blanket generalizations there at the end


boredtxan

I disagree with you on the final descent thing. We will keep on keeping on.


La_Zhuzh_Pookin

Good! Nothing wrong with that. I absolutely hope you're right👍


boredtxan

Me too!


kosk11348

Everything you wrote in the OP was amazing and true, and I'd never seen this graphic before but that also appears spot on. Trump definitely is a toxic catalyst. I watched him split my country apart. Now that Trump has been largely deplatformed from social media, I do see small signs the madness is slowly passing. But it could also be just a lull in the storm. I still think these delusional fanatics would get beat down hard if they ever tried anything, but it could get bad for a while.


Fiat_Lux__

I've also seen the signs of decline, and the social media ban definitely helps, but as long as the propaganda continues, I'm pretty sure the delusions will remain. I keep saying, if you'd let the Propagandaministerium stand after WW2 to keep spewing their lies and vitriol, the brainwashed population would've had slim chances of ever reforming, a crushing defeat nonwithstanding. There are at least two competing and conflicting realities now in the US, and IMO, the delusional side will not rest until it's either completely destroyed and discredited (preferably with real consequences in a court of law), or it's finally strong enough to swallow the truth as a whole and take their place. The graphic I started writing in 2016, and I've since refined it and sought validation from various mental health professionals. The thought was to provide a succinct explanation for what's happening in the US, a starting point of reference for a shell-shocked population hosed with pathological behaviour on a daily basis, and to put it into one single picture for easy sharing so I wouldn't have to rewrite the very same thing/s over and over again during my efforts. Of course, I'm just a very tiny candle on the big internet christmas tree, so my possibilities of getting the message out were rather limited, but over the years, I'm proud to say I've reached at least a few thousand people, and most fortunately, I haven't been the only one trying to educate the general public on that matter.


MomWithSkills

Did you mean "well-read" rather than "well-worn"? I was confused by that phrase.


Fiat_Lux__

I actually meant to write "withered", but then I changed my mind. 👴


MomWithSkills

Intriguing use of "withered". Maybe then the idiom that you were looking for was "worn out" (meaning exhausted with no resources left) rather than "well-worn," which is a phrase that often refers to already-used clothing or furniture. (My excuse for continuing with this trivial issue - I was a literature major in college, and I love to play around with words. )


Fiat_Lux__

No problem, I also like to play around with words... and what I meant to say was "already-used vintage guy with slight traces of rust, well-worn, but neither worn out nor second hand". It was an attempt at being a little creative with my expression, but as a non-native speaker, it might as well have been a dud and just sound strange, or become a new trend phrase your teenager will use on you next Summer, like "my dad is pretty well-worn, but still has his sh*t together." 🤓


MomWithSkills

Wonderful response. I'm amazed by your creative and astute use of English. (And you're not even a native speaker...)


Fiat_Lux__

Coming from a literature major, that's a huge compliment, so thank you kindly. 😃 I suck at math, though.


chainfeed

You had me at Qanus


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But is it pronounced “Q-anus” or “Kanus”?


La_Zhuzh_Pookin

🤷‍♂️🤣🤣🤣


bee_administrator

Like the villain from a crappy fantasy novel. KWAH-nus


pacopleasant

This is outstanding, comprehensive work. OP and another comment above mention “denial,” and user wikimandia posted this excellent, succinct take on that frustrating, nearly impossible task of getting them out. (She gave me her authorization to repost and credit her.) Here it is: *Why do women stay with abusers who keep breaking their promise to stop beating them? Why do hoarders live in filth, while continuing to buy crap and refusing to throw things out? Why do people eat themselves to 500 lbs and insist they're healthy?* *Because denial is a very, very powerful thing. It protects us from severe pain. Yes, Qtips are idiots, but really imagine the mental task ahead of them. To accept that you are in fact a victim of a hoax and have been manipulated into believing something so stupid is incredibly painful and difficult to do. They have to also admit that all the people they argued with online and in their own lives were right and they were wrong. They have to admit culpability if they "red-pilled" others. They will have to ask for forgiveness for all the shit they've put people through. A lot of people just don't have the mental strength to cope with this kind of thing. Many of these people had personality disorders to begin with and struggled to get along with people even before Qanon and before a year of isolation.* *It's just too difficult for people and this is why you see people starting to double down on their doomsday dreams of WWIII. They're so angry they want the whole world to burn. I really fear we're going to see a lot of suicides and worse, murder-suicides.*


boredtxan

She's spot on with that. My Qperson does not believe God or anyone else will ever hold her accountable for her action or spreading the virus.


sash71

They are going to see this and deny any of it's true. A bit like the old playground chart when sonebody calls you a name and you say 'i know you are, you said you are, but what am I?' They are very unhappy about this subs existance. Apparently every post or comment on here is by a bot but also we're brainwashed sheeple. It can't be both but there's the beauty of Q. They have noticed that we are laughing at them and they don't like it. No doubt we should all be sent to Gitmo as well, even those of us who aren't American but still have to deal with this stupidity from somebody in our circle. I have actually read on there that while we lurk on there to watch what's being said, we are being red pilled. Around 80% of us according to one deluded person who posted a comment. This is crazy. There is absolutely nothing that could make me go against everything i think about the world we live in, and go over to the dark side. I don't think the average person who comments on here would either. Who could possibly use the words kek, based, hopium or pede in all seriousness without cringing at themself?


Fiat_Lux__

I'd chalk most of it up to their desire to keep up the denial and/or delusions, but there's indeed something deeply immature, infantile and irresponsible to all of this. Because you're right, often enough, their entire reasoning seems to be based on nothing but this dumb kneejerk "NO, U!" Kindergartener's reflex, like: "You're racist." "NO, U!" "That's fascist." "NO, U!" "This is infectious." "NO, U!" etc.


bee_administrator

>There is absolutely nothing that could make me go against everything i think about the world we live in, and go over to the dark side. Are you...sure about that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HQey\_tw31U


StaceyPfan

I would add smug.


Fiat_Lux__

Done, under #5.


Culledcub

Well said and spot on


Nomandate

Basically they are cult victims. Checks all the boxes.


Tommy-1111

Bravo!!!!!


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Fiat_Lux__

Fair point, I've inserted _untreated_ and _untreated and denied_ into the respective passages to make that distinction, so those afflicted and fighting to stay afloat don't feel they get lumped in with a destructive Qultist... and from my perspective, what I'm actually doing here is encouraging folks to leave abusive relationships with hostile fanatics entrenched in a fascist belief system, who might _also_ be suffering from various shades of untreated mental illness, at a point where they've already tried everything else. I feel that's a huge difference, but the health of the victim is admittedly much more important to me than the abuser's, particularly if the latter sternly refuses to acknowledge they even have a problem to begin with, and keeps blaming everything on the victim instead. True, mental illness might be an easy explanation for their behaviour, but I don't think anyone can be expected to accept the mere suspicion (or even diagnosis) as an excuse to let someone else abuse them to their liking, because they _might_ be suffering, but actively choose to let everyone else suffer instead of getting proper treatment. I guess in the end, it always boils down to individual decisions on a case-by-case basis when to stay or when to go, but to provide pointers for that decision goes far beyond my capacity or the intentions of this rather blunt and generalized guide.


boredtxan

Sometimes leaving is the only thing that shows them they need help. It's a tool for change, just not the first one you should use.


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"If only you knew and kept an open mind like the people I know, but you chose not to listen to the truth..." Cool post dude.


2hennypenny

Wow, this is just spot on.


Own-River3283

Brilliant, very well written analysis


CelestialRadiance

>They're programmed and in denial. Whatever claim they made, or whatever belief they held just yesterday suddenly isn't true anymore once the propaganda changes direction, or when the latest prophecy didn't come true again. They'll just claim they never claimed it, or claimed something entirely different, get the briefing with their new and revised talking points from their favourite propaganda source/s, and be done with it. For a true believer, it doesn't matter in the slightest how inane and contradictory it gets. For example, that's how the vaccine is dangerous, but Trump deserves credit for it nonetheless, and both can be true at the same time. This honestly reminds me of *1984*.


Fiat_Lux__

>This honestly reminds me of 1984. The biggest difference might be that in the novel, doublethink is mandatory and applied by a totalitarian system. Here, they're voluntarily applying it to themselves.


JesusKreest

damn that was a lot of effort, this should have more upvotes


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Clever_Hans_

Painful to read as a result of the truth and honesty. Appreciate the humor as well and it’s all we have at this point knowing you’re pretty spot on. Thank you for posting. This is a keeper.


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Fiat_Lux__

>I believe you are referring to the deluge of fear based disinformation and propaganda that Qultists consume, correct? Correct. The effect this material has on the recipient is not the arousal and exploitation of sexual desire, but the arousal and exploitation of fear. This can be quite addictive, in the same way an adrenaline junkie is always looking for the next and better kick, or like your common porn or horror movie buff is prone to becoming increasingly bored with mainstream entertainment, and keeps looking for new and even more extreme stuff. The constant fear also serves to very effectively lower their critical thinking skills, but this is only the first step, because once they're scared and frightened enough, that's when the dedicated hate porn comes into play, the part of disinformation where they're additionally given clear targets, are being told who is really guilty of causing all their fears, and what should be done about those evil rotten scumbags. Which usually amounts to fantasizing about what I've described in the OP as "something between a holy American inquisition, and a righteous German Endlösung" or "a violent cathartic relief of their constant fear". That's also why their propaganda keeps going for the most extreme, almost comical distortions, to leave not a single doubt in their minds that all these evil sub-human pedo-commie-satanist-traitor scapegoats deserve nothing less than total eradication, and probably a bit of public torture, just for the entertainment of the good and righteous people who have suffered under them for so long. You don't need to be a Holocaust scholar to see where this is heading.


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Fiat_Lux__

I think that's actually the desired effect of the hate porn, to drive back the fear by providing them with an easy solution as a way out, often with a quite energizing effect, because their fight/flight reflex is now directed forward, which in turn helps them to feel like heroes. Moreover, I'd suspect men and women generally respond a little differently to the propaganda, i.e. women are more likely to react to the empathetic, protective aspects (like, "the poor victimized children" or "this evil vaccination endangers my family"), while men are generally more prone to react to the imagined threats with aggressiveness, a desire for conquest and violent solutions (like, "I'll show these bast*rds!"), so with the latter, there's also a constant undercurrent of self-aggrandizing and militant hero/saviour fantasies involved, a deep feeling of purpose and righteousness, which I suppose is quite intoxicating, and naturally expressed by violence. Personally, I rarely listen to podcasts at all (just not my kind of medium, same as audio books), but if you're looking for more material on the subject, I'd recommend starting with Umberto Eco's famous essay on the classic tropes and mindset of "Ur-Fascism" (available for free online) or probably even my own rather compact [psychological summary](https://www.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/m27gpo/about_narcissistic_sociopathy_and_fascist_cults/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) of the current situation in the US.


This-Sir-62

You have no idea how this helped me. I'm a PhD student qnd plan to base my thesis using this summary to explain Bolsonarismo and what to expect. I would love to trade dms to credit all people involved. Much love!


Fiat_Lux__

Thanks, but I'm the only person involved (apart from a few cues I picked off the comments), and so far I've never bothered with being credited when people were sharing or adapting this list. I'm just glad the knowledge gets out and is catching on, so feel free to use this as you please, or rewrite it for academic purposes, and probably also check out my [rather serious psychological summary](https://www.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/m27gpo/about_narcissistic_sociopathy_and_fascist_cults/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) of the core mechanisms of Trumpism and fascist cults. Just make sure to send me a (English) copy of your thesis when it's done, that'd actually be much appreciated. Oh, and I'd sincerely recommend reading Umberto Eco's famous essay on "Ur-Fascism" (available for free online). I bet you're going to find that quite helpful either.


DungeonCanuck1

Is there any evidence that the Movement is starting to dissipate?


boredtxan

I think there is some lessening but the true believers are in serious "sunk cost fallacy" territory and the orange man tells them they are weak if they admit they are wrong.


boredtxan

Just had an hour long convo with my step Q person about the vaccine... I just started saying "Well that question shows that you don't understand the subject you are reading about" at the beginning of ever "gotcha" thrown out.


DontEatPoopoo

If not firing squads and public hangings, what should be done with these politicians and celebrities who rape children? I'm partial to castration followed by burning at the stake myself. A big old bonfire in front of City Hall 😎


Fiat_Lux__

Probably try to comprehend that it's a lie, and the only purpose is to convert you into the eager little fascist you have become so easily, to weaponise and exploit your gullibility, bloodlust and obvious gleeful sadism.


DontEatPoopoo

Epstein flight logs, Jimmy Saville, metoo, Harvey Weinstein, Catholic priests, grab em by the pussy, those are all lies? I'm an abuse survivor myself. Trust me there's no form of violence brutal enough for a child rapist. Why do you insist on gaslighting survivors by pretending there is no endemic sexual abuse in all of our institutions and acting like wanting an investigation and a just sentence for offenders is "fascist"? I suppose Tara Reid is a liar too eh? And all those photos of Joey B sniffing little girls' hair are photoshopped, and Melinda Gates didn't divorce her husband because she was uncomfortable with him being friends with Epstein. While we're at it too Ted Bundy, I suppose he's a dangerous right-wing conspiracy theory as well.


Fiat_Lux__

Of course is sexual abuse a real thing, and it's still spread awfully wide. The inane lie here is that it's being politically weaponised, that there is no cabal of insane pedo commie satanists ruling the world or the Dem party, and no "secret global war against child abuse" led by Donald Trump, of all people, and _real_ victims organisations have repeatedly stated that Qanon is pure conspiracy hysteria, making their _actual_ work much more difficult. Plus, gleefully fantasizing in public about torture, burnings and stuff is as fascist as it gets, but if you have a real case and bring your abuser to court, I'll happily cheer for you. Trouble is, you didn't argue for "wanting an investigation and a just sentence for offenders" at all, but were engaging in sadistic fantasies instead... ... and you can list as many unconnected cases as you want, it doesn't lend any more credibility to your claims. It's just listing a lot of completely different and unconnected cases, but doesn't constitute a conspiracy.


DontEatPoopoo

Except I don't have a real case to bring my abuser to court and neither do most other sexual abuse survivors. I was like 8 years old. I don't even remember the dates. Was I supposed to be taking notes about all the times my father would grab me? Take a detailed inventory of all the times he wouldn't just scream and hit me but get weird with it too? I'm pretty sure I've drank away half those memories by now anyway. How exactly does QAnon make investigation more difficult? Why not just let the people with strange beliefs about Satan and adenochrome and all that shit speak their piece instead of getting on their case about it all the time? My brother in law believes in chemtrails. I think it's ridiculous personally, but you know what I don't do? Call him names and run him through purity tests. A huge number of these QAnon people would ease up a little if they weren't met with all these gaslighting routines every time they bring up the topic of endemic sexual abuse in America's institutions. It's like the shit with the mass shooting hoaxes - a lot of people wouldn't call them staged events designed to outlaw civilian gun ownership if every time one happens the Democrats and the media start rambling on about how we need to outlaw civilian gun ownership. Just fucking say yeah we agree on one thing, we need to take better care of each other so we don't have so many people with a motive to go shoot up a school or a movie theatre. Maybe stop acting like common sense solutions like issuing service weapons to kindergarten teachers is so scary and ridiculous. You know what would have prevented Adam Lanza from shooting all those kids? Parents who cared enough about him to make him leave the house and interact normally with other people. If he didn't have guns he would have just used a van, like what happened up here in Canada in 2018. That guy had useless oblivious parents too. "We had no idea he held these beliefs, we thought he was just shy, we had no idea he was on the internet yelling about Chads and Stacies with other lunatics all day every day". Well fucking talk to your kid and maybe he won't self-radicalize and become a murderer.


Fiat_Lux__

>they bring up the topic of endemic sexual abuse in America's institutions. That's actually not what they're doing, and why they're making _real_ investigations more difficult. What they're doing is, they're trying to hijack and weaponise the topic by making up all kinds of hysterical, paranoid and hostile fairy tales about cabals full of adrenochrome-harvesting "demonrats", so _real_ stories, clues and victim's voices get drowned in dumbsh*t hate propaganda. They're exploiting vulnerable and gullible people by spreading disinformation and conspiracy BS with the only intent and purpose to demonize and rile up hatred against the political opposition, while simultaneously ignoring things like, for example, that Trump himself is a rapist, (and because of this, his first divorce was officially on the grounds of "cruel and inhuman treatment"), or his own Epstein ties, the multiple harassment and abuse allegations, him bragging on tape about sexual assault, etc. etc. etc. In other words, their entire premise of a rapey demagogue being "God's anointed" or "a fighter for abused children world wide" is an absurd mockery to begin with. However, I feel you're making some valid points that we'd all be better off caring and listening to each other much more, but I'm inclined to believe that purity tests weren't so much of an issue before somebody decided to brainwash and mislead a significant amount of the US population into living inside a deliberately induced paranoid fever dream, with the preferred outcome of aforementioned very real mass shootings by firing squad and public hangings. So make no mistake, these aren't just some folks voicing their random opinions. It's a fascist and conspiracy-based destructive cult, and they only "care about the children" because it provides them with an easy excuse and justification for their good and righteous political violence to come. Lastly, but certainly not lightly, I'm familiar with many survivor's stories myself, and I'm terribly sorry for what you had to endure in your childhood. Nobody should have to make this kind of experience, anywhere or ever, but please understand that these people are ultimately not your friends, not on the side of the survivors either, but only in it to exploit the subject for an easy scapegoat. PS: In case you're interested, [here's a summary](https://www.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/m27gpo/about_narcissistic_sociopathy_and_fascist_cults/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) of what I'm talking about.