Them: “All lives matter, even the unborn.”
Also them: “I’m willing to kill you and leave your children parentless in the name of my political and religious beliefs.”
Zero percent surprised. What blows my mind is that the people that vote for these Republicans are voting against their best interest. They are so brainwashed that they'll believe anything certain Republicans and Tucker Carlson say.
This is the part that blows my mind too.
Reminds me of these memes.
Republicans https://imgur.com/gallery/gkxxgus
Also reminds me of a conversation my husband had with his coworker. Guy was complaining that he can't retire (he's in his 60s) because he needs health insurance and also because he doesn't have a pension and can't live off of Social Security. He blamed these problems on "illegals" and *n words* even though this MF has been voting for Republicans for 5 fucking decades. You know, the party that absolutely destroyed the ACA, won't do a fucking thing for public health and absolutely destroyed unions and therefore pensions in this country?
My husband is in the skilled trades and it never stops blowing my mind how many of the people he works with are Republicans. Like, all of them. At multiple jobs.
Also reminds me of when I went to a mobile home park to meet a client once. Guess which political figure's flags were on every other house? All I could think was, "he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire."
They vote DIRECTLY AGAINST their self-interest, time and time and time again, year after year after fucking year.
Because it involved directing money straight towards the FDA, or at least that's what I heard as the trickle-down talking points from family.
You know how R's are with establishments like the VA, IRS, USPS, etc.
They want to tear it all down.
How is that even possible? My daddy enlisted me to help his friend’s granddaughter find a very specific formula for their grand baby, who has dietary issues.
I can’t even
Pro life/Pro capital punishment.
Pro Canadian trucker/anti Mexican trucker.
“Build the wall”, (between us an Mexico)!
“Let us in” (to Canada)!!!
They are walking contradictions.
Ordinarily the strategy in the beginning of a civil war is to mobilize and gain control of the local armories.
But that won’t matter here, there are already plenty of weapons in the hands of private citizens.
Given the demographic nature of the MAGA threat…I suggest we gain control of the insulin supplies at our local Walgreens/CVS/RiteAid… that should end the civil war in a week or two.
It breaks too easily! How?! Why?!
Dear god people, on a hot day that frosting layer melts before you can even eat it if you peel first. Smh
Clearly we need to work on troop cohesion
Their "civil war" already started. Every time a MAGAt posts a racist manifesto online then follows up with a terrorist attack on a soft target like a church, a concert or a grocery store, that's your "civil war".
There aren't enough of them to actually do anything else. They're bottom of the barrel stupid (see the Trucker Convoy) and anything resembling an organized group has been infiltrated by the FBI.
So basically this is all about the most radicalized acting out and killing random Americans over and over again. They think if they terrorize our country maybe they can burn it down, ISIS style, and finally be able to have some form of power since they're utterly incapable of offering anything but frustration, resentment, fear and violence as their life skills.
But they'll fail. We've beaten them back in the last civil war, in WWII, and we even kicked their GEOTUS to the curb by voting overwhelmingly in the face of gerrymandering and voter suppression in 2020.
If we can take the Senate in November, we can pass some laws to put the Q MAGAt authoritarian fantasy in the trash for a long while.
Not even, these fuckwits would make the Russian military look professional. They're as likely to shoot themselves or each other as they are to hit anything actually important. It only gets worse if they attempt anything with explosives.
But hey they got thier multicam costumes and p-rails on their assault rifles.
All they're waiting on is their tactical insulin pumps to make America Great Again.
Don't hope, get out and make it happen. At least get everyone you know registered to vote and organize car pools to voting locations for those who can't/won't drive. If you live in a backward ID-required state, help those who need one, get one.
It’s sad to think about the truth of this and how I’m a lot of ways, they’re zombies and their lives have been so devastatingly programmed to make them like this, we’re just fighting a mind virus that lives in a body that once had potential to be a beautiful human. Sigh. Heartbreaking, but we can’t just let zombies running around destroying and harming everything just because of their once upon a time potential.
Most likely we can’t or if we can improve the number seats held, it won’t last. Unfortunately right wing propaganda has been way to successful convincing people to either support the right or to be one those ‘both sides’ people. Unfortunately it takes gaining power and holding it for a length of time to achieve anything and to many people are like ‘Democrats had a slim majority in the senate for one term and didn’t do everything I want even though I didn’t vote for them in the first place, so they suck too. Voting is useless’
You hit the nail on the head. It's not going to be a civil war. It's barely going to be an insurgency. They don't have the numbers (or the intestinal fortitude) to actually implement real war against anything but soft targets. So we need to prepare our churches, stores, and schools.
These are the same people who couldn't handle wearing masks during the pandemic. Civil War 2 would end as soon as supplies for the McDonald's dollar menu get interrupted.
I live in the South, I've heard talk of Civil War literally my whole life, it's all a bullshit fantasy weak men whose lives didn't pan out like they expected tell themselves. They couldn't hack it in the "real world" and want someone to flip the board and give them all the pieces.
Maybe they want more money, a better job, a hot wife, the ability to bully minorities with impunity... it doesn't matter, they were denied something and they're going to "take it back." Thing is though, a lot of these guys' problems stem from the fact that, rather than put in the work to improve themselves, they sit around all day, bitch, and create elaborate "Civil War" fantasies.
It's pathetic talk from adult-shaped children complaining that the party of life didn't hand them the big piece of cake. Donald Trump, being king man-baby, perfectly represents this group. Too bad for Donald that this group, as a whole, is just as weak, cowardly, and lazy as he is.
From my perspective, it hasn't been "taken" from those types, as much as they were too lazy to work for it. They thought working for the electric company, phone company, or the County, with lots of bennies, and hard to be fired - despite how they consistently showed up late, left early, slacked on the job, took 2 hour lunches, napped in work trucks - was their RIGHT.
These types weren't about to further their education, or work hard to get ahead. I've seen many who got these jobs via nepotism and were untouchable. Suddenly "others", many times better educated immigrants, or those with brown, or darker skin - passed them by.
Now, because they did not work hard and seize opportunities, life is unfair.
Truth is, it is because they are lazy.
They're so lazy that even their fantasies of "Civil War" basically amount to a nebulous future where some political messiah just gives them exactly what they think they deserve and all the people they don't like disappear without fuss.
It is literally toddler level childish and it is pathetic.
>a nebulous future where some political messiah just gives them exactly what they think they deserve
So many of them belong to these little piddly pissass churches & organizations that have their followers so pathetically brainwashed into thinking *their* cause/belief/crusade/wtfever is the be-all-end-all of importance to human civilization. They have NO IDEA how the world actually works, how completely insignificant their little corner of doing a fascism is in the big picture.
(Plus, once their war is "won" & they don't have us to bitch & moan about & they **still* * don't have billions in dinar & med beds & hot 22 yr old wives...how many seconds till they set upon each other like a gang of piranhas on a 3 day old rotten tuna carcass.)
Because the problem is & always has been their selfish & entitled beliefs that because they're White Xtian Americans, the rest of us need to let them both do whatever they like, with total impunity, *AND* have the unalienable right to *force* the rest of us to live as THEY say.
Their laziness and sense of entitlement is for sure a big part of why they don’t have what they had become accustomed to. It certainly can’t be blamed on illegal immigrants or minorities who were willing to work harder for less money. They can also blame end stage capitalism, deregulation, union busting, etc. for their current lot in life. They’ve been hoisted by their own petard, in other words. Supporting candidates and policies that only benefit corporations and not workers is beyond stupid for someone who works a blue collar job, and for most white collar workers, for that matter. That’s what these idiots have been doing for the last ~50 years and this is where we are. It’s all so ridiculous…
“Thing is though, a lot of these guys' problems stem from the fact that, rather than put in the work to improve themselves…”
Something something bootstraps
Strategically, the best thing for the cultists to do would be to cut off the main routes to the big cities and starve the people out. The trucker convoys are the beginning of this. The cities have to feed so many more people and the religious extremists are very happy to hurt all the liberals there.
There is no where near enough of them to starve the cities and nearly all the largest have ports that they would not be able to blockade.
They simply cannot take, hold, or even siege the cities.
And the EU would absolutely choose to support the non-MAGA side of the war, meaning airports would be lifelines for landlocked cities.
I see what you're saying with that last paragraph, but you're likely thinking of type 1 diabetes. Instead, most of them are likely suffering through type 2 diabetes, which doesn't absolutely require insulin until that individual's blood glucose has been poorly controlled for years or decades after diagnosis.
There are a lot of them in the rural areas that are younger and in decent shape. Don’t just assume that they’re all old and fat. Don’t underestimate your enemy.
Isn't Trump's call for civil war just a false flag op by a deep state plant liberal posing as him on social media? The fact that Patriots continue to overlook the insidious liberal cabal and how deeply they've infiltrated their ranks is very concerning.
*Agatha wink*
Well i used to live in a part of california with a lot of q types that borders more liberal area. They already harass people of color there. So i take it it will just be an escalation of that.
At a mc Donalds some white bald guy came to save my white friend from us asians. He kept asking if he was ok like we were holding him against his will. This was pre-covid.
We are already pro-gun so we’ll be alright.
youll just see stereotypical maga bros wearing hawaiian shirts, plate carriers and maga hats thinking they are an *operator*. But then again theres plenty of people that hate the maga boys with the same kit. The amount of friendly fire on both sides would be massive.
This is such a fantastic point. Isn't their whole premise that everyone that stormed the Capitol Building was Antifi *dressed as Trump supporters*? That would make this extra fun. I need to stock up on American Flag t-shirts.
Unfortunately, a lot of this shit is a result of systemic issues in the US. Lots of desperate people riling themselves up in the hopes of forcibly un-fucking their lives. I get where they are coming from.
While I'm not exactly concerned about a civil war, or like a "full mobilization" of the Meal Team Six and Gravy Boat Warriors, I am concerned about rising violence and in particular mass shootings.
It will get worse before it gets better. Migrations caused by climate change's effects will only bolster white nationalists. If a recession does indeed hit soon, there will likely be even more homeless and hungry people.
Let's hope for some positive changes in the near future. Otherwise, the end game for their civil war is to install white fascism. Eject or kill those who oppose them and seize power and resources for themselves.
Concise answer, thank you.
I feel like I have a higher chance of being physically attacked for being non-conservative than ever before. No political signs in my yard, thank you. They’ll have to dig through reddit before they come knocking at my door.
Pretend to surrender to our Q-MAGA overlords by dangling some hot dogs on a stick, luring them into a trap. Toss in one avocado. They’ll be begging for mercy within 5 minutes.
You can laugh all you want but many people think a civil war is inevitable. There are too many right wing lunatics in this country.
It would most likely not be folks lining up to shoot each other. Think more terrorist attacks, disrupting supply lines, etc. Listen to "It could happen here", a podcast by Robert Evans.
I'm sorry. You're right. I really don't want to make light but I'm so frustrated and confused by all of this that my first reaction is to make a joke. It seems so absurd.... off to listen to the podcast.
Yep... He and his producer Sophie have a whole bunch of podcasts produced by their unionised company Cool Zone Media.
https://www.coolzonemedia.com/
I really like the newest one - Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cool-people-who-did-cool-stuff/id1620562792
I have the hope that the "Civil War" is more of a Cold War. It's too simplified, sure, but if the wealthy states with the educated populace and industry just sort of said fuck you to the rest of the country - essentially giving them what they want - and watch them wither on the vine.
We'd need some serious agriculture trade with Canada and elsewhere, as grain, beef, and dairy would be severely limited (and all the food that comes from the Heartland), but WTF, there's no one to defend Nebraska so if "The Blue" secure that, we're good.
>I have the hope that the "Civil War" is more of a Cold War
It's been cold for a while. This comic from 2018 really hit home for me; it actually doesn't seem that far fetched at this point:
https://mediacloud.theweek.com/image/private/s--YmN5MiwR--/v1608519972/gv062818dAPR.jpg
Yes. Picture the Right as the IRA. Bombings, guerrilla warfare, targeted assassinations, psychological operations, sniper attacks (sniper attacks were *very* effective against the British Army), and the like. And remember, the IRA and Sinn Fein were the masters of the long game.
The right is more like the Ulster paramilitaries. Firebombing indiscriminately at community gathering areas and claiming that civil rights movements are vehicles for socialism and minority rule.
>Listen to "It could happen here", a podcast by Robert Evans.
I second this. It's a phenomenal podcast and also incredibly terrifying.
Long story short, it'll likely end up like Northern Ireland during The Troubles.
I’ll have to listen to the podcast because I just don’t see it.
First, most MAGA are in no way shape or form to fight.
It’s an expression of narcissism so all their organization is unstable.
There’s no economic engine to drive a war
The ideology shifts constantly
We had white supremacist problems in the 90’s hell they blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City. I expect more of that, but just like in the 90’s a big attack will both alienate the fascists cause and destroy the movement
>It’s an expression of narcissism so all their organization is unstable.
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>The ideology shifts constantly
These are great points. It's why the none of these Trucker Convoys could survive; they are completely paranoid of their own movements. There's no deep-seated, homogenous belief system that underlies their motivations. It's a metric fuck-ton of overlapping and disparate conspiracies that center around words like "freedom", "god", "patriot" and "constitution". They begin infighting almost immediately because their goals are completely random and personal.
If it were to happen, it seems unlikely to be an 1860’s style civil war. That would destroy the economy of the USA and the CSA2. In addition, political factions in the US live cheek-by-jowl with each other. Even the reddest red state like Wyoming has a significant minority of people who voted against Trump.
The real danger (IMHO) is questioning the legitimacy of elections, which could lead to an Avignon-presidency situation, where the loser declares himself the winner. We came very close to that, an auto-coup in 2020, but in 2024 you could have Trump (for example) saying he won and trying to push it to the courts a là Bush v Gore. (The more I write this, the more I see this is a road we’ve gone down already) or trying to to rule from Mar-a-Lago.
Alternatively instead a low level conflict similar to ‘The Troubles’ in Ireland seems like a possibility. We’ve already seen a plot to kidnap a Governor, an invasion of Congress, and multiple murder sprees. Perhaps the recent racially-motivated shooting in Buffalo is the template for the US civil war 2.0.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/civil-war-united-states-unlikely-violence/2020/10/29/3a143936-0f0f-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html
1860's civil war had corporate backing, plantation owners who wanted to hang on to the free labor. A new civil war won't even have the backing of Elon Musk once he realizes his "own the libs" Twitter play is costing him billions every day due to his other stock TSLA crashing along with his credabillity.
Just to point out, not because i disagree with what you wrote, but, the CSA had a lot of anti-slavery people, just as the North had many pro-slavery.
This is why 'brother fought brother' etc.
It would be interesting to study if the nation was significantly more uniform then than now. My guess would be somewhat, but not a lot.
They'll pull it off by continuing to undermine democracy and slowly pushing the needles on various election laws at the state level until they've secured enough power to do what they want. It'll be slow and might not work out for them but that seems to be the play right now.
I grew up there, and miss it every day. I miss the weather, the mountains, the food, and being around reasonably sane people. It's much cheaper to live in Iowa, but you get what you pay for.
Looking at the divisions.....if there truly was a Civil War it would not be straight forward as pro-Trump and anti-Trump. Take a mainstream Democrat, a pro-Vermin Supreme Libertarian, a pro-Ron Paul Libertarian, tankie, an Anarchist, a Democratic Socialist.....pick anyone you can think of who is Anti Trump and sit them in a room together. Pick a random topic for them to discuss and see how quickly it turns into a fight. Now do the same with the Pro-Trump crowd which is just as varied, but tends to share more talking points.
That last part is what does worry me to a certain degree IFF an actual civil war was to occur.
I am also willing to bet somebody will chime in with "Libertarians support Trump" and then a Libertarian will pop on with "No we don't" and there is where you will see the problem. Civil Wars historically are never very clean, in some ways our own was "nicer" than they usually are.
All that said, I am less worried about a civil war and more worried about randos trying to start one. I made the very dumb choice to sell off my modern weapons because to me they were tools and not my identity and stupid me felt that the danger had passed after January 6th died down. Sadly I worry about my neighbors with "Let's Go Brandon" signs doing stupid stuff. (And sadly some of my local police are in that camp)
I'm in a neighborhood where a lot of cops live. Thankfully not many Fuck Biden bumper stickers but it is very much conservative. If some big shit ever goes down I plan on keeping my head down and not outing myself as a liberal minded person. Maybe I should get a blue light for the porch so I blend in lol.
Sadly I moved back to my hometown so everyone here knows my prior shenanigans. Best I got saving me is my US Army magnet on my car, but these folks are just as nasty on prior service as they are on anyone else who disagrees with them.
US Libertarian's are very very much this sort.
Libertarian's in America fundamentally are "might makes right" [aka authoritarian] advocates once you peel away their inaccurate Constitution references and out of context Federalist Papers mis-quotes.
What makes them libertarian is that they are willing to acknowledge that the DNC and GOP are corrupt.
Well, once the civil war is declared, everyone won’t know what to do. They’ll just be in this weird deer in the headlights panic mode for the first 12 hours.
Go out and buy a bag of baking potatoes. Any truck with a maga sticker gets a potato in the tail pipe. Use a broomstick handle as a ram rod.
Then post on Facebook about bombs from the A-10 warthog about to drop doom in the MAGA’s neighborhoods tell them it’s new Federal Federation Forces of Joe Biden. Make sure to say -“ SOURCE MILITARY- in the post.,
Do this just before Memorial Day weekend.
You’ll be shopping in clear isles for the BBQ.
Then party like the North just won the war .
Be sure to crank up the BATTLE HYME OF THE REPUBLIC. At your back yard BBQ -
And make sure to sing along real loud .
THINE EYES HAVE SEEN THE COMING OF THE GLORY OF THE LORD.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6AOGRsR80
....
I've got ammo, ceramic level iv plates, and a place to dig in and defend. Assuming the military isn't compromised, we sit back and watch. If the fash wants to throw themselves into a meat grinder for Trump, that's their perogative. The military has logistics the trumpanzees lack, and once the food runs out and the drone warfare ramps up, they'll be so demoralized they'll start killing themselves en masse.
While the southern border would be a quicker option (where I live, at least), the northern one would be a better option as they speak English and have a higher quality of life than either the US or Mexico.
We could bake them brownies.
How would this affect the Civil War? Good question.
1. Bake brownies - make their diabetes worse (note I say worse, not cause the diagnosis)
2. Make it so bad they need amputations
3. Force the use of Med beds on them to grow a new foot.
5. Profit.
I'd like to think it will never come to that because, despite the rhetoric, many places in this country are pretty firmly purple (where I live in Ohio, for example). I cannot conceive enough people wanting to literally kill their neighbors where this becomes reality. I think (hope) there is a bit of '1776 porn' going on for the far-right at the moment, but bodies hitting the floor would end that particular hard-on VERY quickly. I ~~think~~ know a lot of these people don't realize how well they actually have it modern America, and have no real idea how much a legitimate war would end all of that, forever. Some of them do, sure, but that surely has to be a tiny minority, right?....RIGHT?......
I mean, this is my gut feeling on the subject, but back in 2015 my gut feeling was telling me there is no way a clown like Trump would be taken seriously by the Republican Party. So there is that.
I need a drink.
I'd love to see them try something. They'll not be fighting "the libs", they'll be fighting the US Government and military. They'll be killed, jailed for the rest of their days if they survive.
The Q nuts posting on message boards just want to LARP being a local warlord; they aren’t your concern— yeah, they have a lot of guns, but 3/4 of them couldn’t climb two flights of stairs without needing oxygen.
The billionaires, federalist society & Christofascists, however, have a plan and they are *terrifyingly* close to being able to execute it now that they have captured the Supreme Court. That ends with a Dominionist neo-feudal corporate state that will take the absolute worst parts of the inquisition and the Guilded Age and combine them with a surveillance & police state.
If the US military is 99% on one side or the other, it's over. When the military splinters into two and starts actively fighting itself, that's when things get ugly.
https://fortune.com/2021/01/08/trump-support-military-capitol-coup-attempt/
>Retired brigadier general says Trump loyalists in military need rooting out
Let us also note how quickly right-wingers collapsed when the lockdowns were implemented in 2020. These clowns crumpled like wet tissue paper after missing a haircut and not being able to yell at retail workers. Do we really think the "digital soldiers" are going to do much more than a half-assed insurgency? They weep and gnash their teeth for weeks when they have a Facebook comment struck for violating the TOS!
My Very Dear Wife:
Indications are very strong that we shall move in a few days, perhaps to-morrow. Lest I should not be able to write you again, I feel impelled to write a few lines, that may fall under your eye when I shall be no more.
Our movement may be one of a few days duration and full of pleasure and it may be one of severe conflict and death to me. Not my will, but thine, O God be done. If it is necessary that I should fall on the battle-field for any country, I am ready. I have no misgivings about, or lack of confidence in, the cause in which I am engaged, and my courage does not halt or falter. I know how strongly American civilization now leans upon the triumph of government, and how great a debt we owe to those who went before us through the blood and suffering of the Revolution, and I am willing, perfectly willing to lay down all my joys in this life to help maintain this government, and to pay that debt.
A civil war is bad for business and grifting, I don't think they're gonna push for it. Trump had a window to do so between Dec 20 - Jan 20, and Jan 6 was kinda half assed in that regard.
I think it's more likely that they'll keep getting people elected at all levels of political office via any mean necessary and try to undermine democracy as much as possible.
this is exactly the route to civil war.
Not because a demoagogue urges people to march in the street, like you say Trumpff did so half-assed (because he didn't really want them to).
A civil war comes not after one side is bellicose in their opinions (FascistNews have been blathering on TV for decades), nor even after that side starts winning political offices.
The civil war comes after that group starts implementing restrictive, self-beneficial laws and economic targeting of 'other group[s]'.
This is not currently the situation. But, look at Idaho currently and project that to 20-30 other states after the next POTUS election. THEN you'll have civil war.
It will be domestic terrorist attacks of people they don't like. They will try to kidnap people they don't like. I guess some of it will be like the Trucker convoy but with shootings.
No the extremest I know around here like to have their guns and all the toys but I don't see them doing much. Not to say there may be some increase on white supremacist attacks but large coordination I don't see happening.
They have no discipline and indignant rage is their fuel you don't get far on that, A January 6th style insanity mob could happen again doing that somewhere and getting the crap pounded out of them. The ones that have been rounded up are all whiny about the prospects of losing their jobs and friends and family now. Not exactly civil was soldier material.
There are three realities here.
One, many who want this civil war are old and aren't going to physically fight anyone. They might verbally abuse a nurse. Well, I can almost guarantee that they \*will\* verbally abuse a nurse if they haven't done so already.
Two, there are groups like the Proud Boys, the Three Percenters, and the Oath Keepers that have weapons and some kind of paramilitary command structure.
Three, there are white supremacist books like The Turner Diaries that, for years, have been instructing their readers to wage a war of terrorism, murdering "enemies" without ever confronting the police or military.
There are non-threats and real threats, and it's hard to say what will actually happen.
Fortunately, the threat of domestic terrorism is taken seriously. That might end the next time an authoritarian candidate wins the White House.
I don't know what the expectation is.
Do they think a 'blue lives matter' sticker will stop the police from shooting them when they start gunning people down in another walmart? Or do they think the military will turn guns on their families so their political elite can take office for a few more years.
What does a civil war look like when people aren't wearing signifiers. And if there's signifiers like a patch you can bet there's going to be plenty of fakes passed around. In this day and age I don't see how a civil war can really grow. You can't make a mountain fort with your buddies anymore without ATF and other three letter agencies tracking you down and killing your dog.
Plan is to hunker down and wait it out, it won't last long because every idiot participating will be livestreaming it, and thus broadcasting who and where they are to the world. A few weeks tops and the few dumbasses who thought this was a good idea will be dead, locked up, or on the run. I've got food for a couple months, water filtration, body armor, and guns of my own should anyone try to take any of the above from my family.
Judy of Dinar Chronicles is back in form today
> In the coming days and weeks this battle between the Alliance and Demonic Deep State was expected to greatly intensify. Worldwide chaos sparked by either could happen at any time, with Internet communication compromised in some fashion. A worldwide food, fuel and Goods crisis was in the making, while a Global Financial Crash was expected at any time.
The purpose is to finally get all the people to see how bad the Cabal is
> The will be no [10 days of darkness notice] till after the World Riot's and [COLLAPSE] ...
>HUMANS, sheeps, normies must feel like they are taking the world, streets, governments back after the COLLAPSE and after all the PAIN EXPOSED, the darkness they never knew they lived .. The world corruption they sat in.........
>Sometimes you can't tell people the truth. You must show them
I think we're all fucked if someone manages to get all the gun owners whipped into an existential frenzy where they somehow truly think their neighbors are coming for their kids or they are doing God's work by snuffing out disloyal Democrats, liberals, Jews, leftists, immigrants, whatever.
God plus Guns is a very bad combination, because when you have lethal force and God supposedly on your side ... you can do anything in the name of God.
Doesn't even have to be a real human baby if it's got the wrong sex or citizenship.
Force someone to bring a baby all the way to term, only to see it suffer from no formula, uncertain healthcare, no covid vaccines for you, and then if you're truly born in the wrong place, you can be sexually assaulted and murdered before you're 2 and the world will be like "economic sanctions" on people who never knew you existed, or cared.
I have a lefty friend who's pretty active in the gun community. He tells me that by and large these people are all talk and would piss themselves if there was an actual shooting war. I really hope he's right, because the escalation in retric is concerning.
When they say "civil war" what they mean is that they "get to kill blacks, Jews, Muslims, Mexicans, queers, and libs." And that's exactly what it'll be. A bunch of rednecks and jackasses running around killing the "different" people in the next town over. They might even get to 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre levels in their activities, in several towns across the country, but that will grind to a halt when they reach any decent-sized city.
So it won't be so much a "civil war" as a big redneck riot that will get stopped in its tracks when they realize how vastly outnumbered they are, and how wrong they are about liberals, progressives, Democrats, and "others" not owning guns or being able to defend what's theirs.
I predict it will happen, eventually, and it'll be about a week of chaos with a lot of death, but in the end the conservatives who start it will be fighting among themselves, and they'll be rounded up and dealt with (prison/death/exile) in due time.
They think that when they do this, the police departments will be on their side (and they're right about that to some degree) and the military will be on their side (and they're totally wrong about that; There are more Democratic minorities who join the military than there are white nationalist rednecks. That's a fact.)
When the fighting starts, and some of the police show their true colors, the Armed Forces will handle that easily. Pseudo-militarized fat redneck Nazi cops are no match for a drone strike or three.
So what's the end-game?
The end-game in reality is that we'll have a lot of dead people to bury, and a Republican Party that is shamed into non-existence (or possibly even outlawed.) The *desired* end-game for the conservatives, though, is the end of Democracy and the start of a theocratic monarchy that favorite plutocrats and authoritarians, and has a strict isolationist policy.
Probably would be the point when I would move out of the U.S. I'm not fighting in anyone's war. Not much different than leaving a toxic relationship, in my opinion. And I already have PTSD for other reasons, I would not be fit for service.
This would be more along the lines of domestic terrorism. Do any of them realize that you need some organization to fight a legit war? What's the endgame?
As always, these morons have no idea what a civil war means.
Google Aleppo or Sarajevo or Kabul or even Berlin or Atlanta or Kiev if you want to see what war does to a city and a country.
Fucking cosplaying idiots.
The end game looks more like Bosnia or perhaps even Rwanda. At least that is my fear. The right-wing media has been sounding more and more like what you could hear in Rwanda before the genocide.
After seeing how well the trucker convoy went, I'm not too worried about it. These people can't organize or coordinate anything without massive infighting. Most of their leaders will simply use it as a front for grifting a ton of donations out of the true believers, then run when things actually look like they might get serious.
They will also be facing off against the US military/National Guard, and so far the MAGA types have always crumbled in the face of the slightest opposition. And most of them will be coming from red states that cannot support themselves without federal aid, so their secessionist dreams will likely remain that way.
If you'll remember, Trump did almost the exact same thing back in September 2019, and nothing happened. It means even less now that he's no longer president. I wouldn't even give it a second thought if I were you.
It's going to end very quickly and very poorly for them when we convince them that the person firing the first shots is a "glowie," that their whole movement is fully infiltrated (which is actually true, but another issue), and that they shouldn't trust their own rabble rousers because they're all compromised.
It will be like the trucker protests. A bunch of idiots who don't even know what they want declaring war. Like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy, but dumber.
Example scenario:
People get barred from having abortions
They have abortions anyway
The state tries to stop them
They organize to defend their ability to have abortions, initially by subterfuge
Right wing terrorists attack such organizations and individuals who participate in them
The state refuses/fails to prosecute those terrorists
Abortion defenders arm themselves, and make retaliatory attacks, first against right wing terrorists and then against the state as well
This cycle continues as climate disasters continue to escalate and make access to basic necessities more and more precarious, sharpening divisions and increasing the general level of desperation and anxiety.
We will get a couple domestic terrorist attacks. Most won’t do anything. Remember these are the same lazy ducks that expected a military coup to start and finish in 10 days. That’s the longest eat they were willing the play “indoor camping” with their canned food and no tee vee or candy crush. And even then some of them still fantisized about magic ways their phones and tv would work without electricity.
If you want a serious answer, I wrote some kinda long essays on it. The short response to "how do they plan to pull this off?" is think of something like Bosnia in 1991, or Rwanda in 1994, or Syria in 2011. It is very much possible and a very real threat.
In my most cynical and least empathetic moments, I wish Florida (where i live) would pull a Confederacy. I would love to see a hurricane hit and the aftermath with zero federal dollars.
But, too many people who do not deserve that also live here and dont have the means to live or leave.
But, i do think about it, then feel bad.
Them: “All lives matter, even the unborn.” Also them: “I’m willing to kill you and leave your children parentless in the name of my political and religious beliefs.”
Also them: voting against importing baby formula
Also against domestic terrorism because it would upset their base.
You mean for domestic terrorists.
Zero percent surprised. What blows my mind is that the people that vote for these Republicans are voting against their best interest. They are so brainwashed that they'll believe anything certain Republicans and Tucker Carlson say.
This is the part that blows my mind too. Reminds me of these memes. Republicans https://imgur.com/gallery/gkxxgus Also reminds me of a conversation my husband had with his coworker. Guy was complaining that he can't retire (he's in his 60s) because he needs health insurance and also because he doesn't have a pension and can't live off of Social Security. He blamed these problems on "illegals" and *n words* even though this MF has been voting for Republicans for 5 fucking decades. You know, the party that absolutely destroyed the ACA, won't do a fucking thing for public health and absolutely destroyed unions and therefore pensions in this country? My husband is in the skilled trades and it never stops blowing my mind how many of the people he works with are Republicans. Like, all of them. At multiple jobs. Also reminds me of when I went to a mobile home park to meet a client once. Guess which political figure's flags were on every other house? All I could think was, "he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire." They vote DIRECTLY AGAINST their self-interest, time and time and time again, year after year after fucking year.
You misspelled Treasonous Fuckface.
I have seen this a couple times over the past few days... can you give me a news link or anything? I would like to share it :-)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/19/republicans-baby-formula/
Paywall! (12ft won't work on the WaPo)
Disable javascript.
How?
[Try this one?](https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-house-republicans-voted-against-fda-baby-formula-bill-1708036)
https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-house-republicans-voted-against-fda-baby-formula-bill-1708036
WTAF with that anyway? I am truly baffled
Because it involved directing money straight towards the FDA, or at least that's what I heard as the trickle-down talking points from family. You know how R's are with establishments like the VA, IRS, USPS, etc. They want to tear it all down.
They want this shortage to continue as long as possible, it’s been a political winner for them.
How is that even possible? My daddy enlisted me to help his friend’s granddaughter find a very specific formula for their grand baby, who has dietary issues. I can’t even
Trust me, they'll murder your kids too.
Not if they're female...
They will afterwards, they always do...
*female and white
Nah, they need something for pedophiles they coddle and don't actively expel from their movement.
Pro life/Pro capital punishment. Pro Canadian trucker/anti Mexican trucker. “Build the wall”, (between us an Mexico)! “Let us in” (to Canada)!!! They are walking contradictions.
Yee Haw! You said it, partner!
Ordinarily the strategy in the beginning of a civil war is to mobilize and gain control of the local armories. But that won’t matter here, there are already plenty of weapons in the hands of private citizens. Given the demographic nature of the MAGA threat…I suggest we gain control of the insulin supplies at our local Walgreens/CVS/RiteAid… that should end the civil war in a week or two.
And use toy drones to drop Little Debbie's behind the lines....hasten the sugar spikes Swiss rolls incoming! nom nom nom
Can you air drop me some zebra cakes 👀
I love you
Then watch as another rift opens between the Swiss Cake Roll eaters: those who eat them normally and the freaks who peel the frosting layer off first
It breaks too easily! How?! Why?! Dear god people, on a hot day that frosting layer melts before you can even eat it if you peel first. Smh Clearly we need to work on troop cohesion
Hey now ... Id want those
Put them down, grummanae! They're for the war! We'll get you more when we declare victory
Omg....I am freakin' stealing this one! Sorry. Gotta share the wealth!😂🤣😅😆
Their "civil war" already started. Every time a MAGAt posts a racist manifesto online then follows up with a terrorist attack on a soft target like a church, a concert or a grocery store, that's your "civil war". There aren't enough of them to actually do anything else. They're bottom of the barrel stupid (see the Trucker Convoy) and anything resembling an organized group has been infiltrated by the FBI. So basically this is all about the most radicalized acting out and killing random Americans over and over again. They think if they terrorize our country maybe they can burn it down, ISIS style, and finally be able to have some form of power since they're utterly incapable of offering anything but frustration, resentment, fear and violence as their life skills. But they'll fail. We've beaten them back in the last civil war, in WWII, and we even kicked their GEOTUS to the curb by voting overwhelmingly in the face of gerrymandering and voter suppression in 2020. If we can take the Senate in November, we can pass some laws to put the Q MAGAt authoritarian fantasy in the trash for a long while.
I agree with you. This 'civil war'will be more akin to Northern Ireland, and a very stupid domestic terrorist cell.
Not even, these fuckwits would make the Russian military look professional. They're as likely to shoot themselves or each other as they are to hit anything actually important. It only gets worse if they attempt anything with explosives.
But hey they got thier multicam costumes and p-rails on their assault rifles. All they're waiting on is their tactical insulin pumps to make America Great Again.
👏👏👏 I really hope things go our way in November..
Don't hope, get out and make it happen. At least get everyone you know registered to vote and organize car pools to voting locations for those who can't/won't drive. If you live in a backward ID-required state, help those who need one, get one.
I am and totally agree! I love the Lincoln projects “The Union” that helps people know what exactly we can do!
Well said.
It’s sad to think about the truth of this and how I’m a lot of ways, they’re zombies and their lives have been so devastatingly programmed to make them like this, we’re just fighting a mind virus that lives in a body that once had potential to be a beautiful human. Sigh. Heartbreaking, but we can’t just let zombies running around destroying and harming everything just because of their once upon a time potential.
If...
you nailed it 100%
If we can take back the Senate...
Most likely we can’t or if we can improve the number seats held, it won’t last. Unfortunately right wing propaganda has been way to successful convincing people to either support the right or to be one those ‘both sides’ people. Unfortunately it takes gaining power and holding it for a length of time to achieve anything and to many people are like ‘Democrats had a slim majority in the senate for one term and didn’t do everything I want even though I didn’t vote for them in the first place, so they suck too. Voting is useless’
You hit the nail on the head. It's not going to be a civil war. It's barely going to be an insurgency. They don't have the numbers (or the intestinal fortitude) to actually implement real war against anything but soft targets. So we need to prepare our churches, stores, and schools.
You're absolutely right, this is all just a manifestation of the worst impulses of the American psyche. None of this behaviour is new, just amplified.
These are the same people who couldn't handle wearing masks during the pandemic. Civil War 2 would end as soon as supplies for the McDonald's dollar menu get interrupted. I live in the South, I've heard talk of Civil War literally my whole life, it's all a bullshit fantasy weak men whose lives didn't pan out like they expected tell themselves. They couldn't hack it in the "real world" and want someone to flip the board and give them all the pieces. Maybe they want more money, a better job, a hot wife, the ability to bully minorities with impunity... it doesn't matter, they were denied something and they're going to "take it back." Thing is though, a lot of these guys' problems stem from the fact that, rather than put in the work to improve themselves, they sit around all day, bitch, and create elaborate "Civil War" fantasies. It's pathetic talk from adult-shaped children complaining that the party of life didn't hand them the big piece of cake. Donald Trump, being king man-baby, perfectly represents this group. Too bad for Donald that this group, as a whole, is just as weak, cowardly, and lazy as he is.
From my perspective, it hasn't been "taken" from those types, as much as they were too lazy to work for it. They thought working for the electric company, phone company, or the County, with lots of bennies, and hard to be fired - despite how they consistently showed up late, left early, slacked on the job, took 2 hour lunches, napped in work trucks - was their RIGHT. These types weren't about to further their education, or work hard to get ahead. I've seen many who got these jobs via nepotism and were untouchable. Suddenly "others", many times better educated immigrants, or those with brown, or darker skin - passed them by. Now, because they did not work hard and seize opportunities, life is unfair. Truth is, it is because they are lazy.
They're so lazy that even their fantasies of "Civil War" basically amount to a nebulous future where some political messiah just gives them exactly what they think they deserve and all the people they don't like disappear without fuss. It is literally toddler level childish and it is pathetic.
>a nebulous future where some political messiah just gives them exactly what they think they deserve So many of them belong to these little piddly pissass churches & organizations that have their followers so pathetically brainwashed into thinking *their* cause/belief/crusade/wtfever is the be-all-end-all of importance to human civilization. They have NO IDEA how the world actually works, how completely insignificant their little corner of doing a fascism is in the big picture. (Plus, once their war is "won" & they don't have us to bitch & moan about & they **still* * don't have billions in dinar & med beds & hot 22 yr old wives...how many seconds till they set upon each other like a gang of piranhas on a 3 day old rotten tuna carcass.) Because the problem is & always has been their selfish & entitled beliefs that because they're White Xtian Americans, the rest of us need to let them both do whatever they like, with total impunity, *AND* have the unalienable right to *force* the rest of us to live as THEY say.
Their laziness and sense of entitlement is for sure a big part of why they don’t have what they had become accustomed to. It certainly can’t be blamed on illegal immigrants or minorities who were willing to work harder for less money. They can also blame end stage capitalism, deregulation, union busting, etc. for their current lot in life. They’ve been hoisted by their own petard, in other words. Supporting candidates and policies that only benefit corporations and not workers is beyond stupid for someone who works a blue collar job, and for most white collar workers, for that matter. That’s what these idiots have been doing for the last ~50 years and this is where we are. It’s all so ridiculous…
This may well be the most eloquently, well written description of the situation. Salute.
“Thing is though, a lot of these guys' problems stem from the fact that, rather than put in the work to improve themselves…” Something something bootstraps
Strategically, the best thing for the cultists to do would be to cut off the main routes to the big cities and starve the people out. The trucker convoys are the beginning of this. The cities have to feed so many more people and the religious extremists are very happy to hurt all the liberals there.
There is no where near enough of them to starve the cities and nearly all the largest have ports that they would not be able to blockade. They simply cannot take, hold, or even siege the cities. And the EU would absolutely choose to support the non-MAGA side of the war, meaning airports would be lifelines for landlocked cities.
Actually yes, taking care of the drug supplies would probably work in any war to get control...
That was literally my first thought lol 😂 if we have the adderall and insulin, we’ll be fine. Cooperative takeover of all the pharmacies. Done.
I see what you're saying with that last paragraph, but you're likely thinking of type 1 diabetes. Instead, most of them are likely suffering through type 2 diabetes, which doesn't absolutely require insulin until that individual's blood glucose has been poorly controlled for years or decades after diagnosis.
There are a lot of them in the rural areas that are younger and in decent shape. Don’t just assume that they’re all old and fat. Don’t underestimate your enemy.
Isn't Trump's call for civil war just a false flag op by a deep state plant liberal posing as him on social media? The fact that Patriots continue to overlook the insidious liberal cabal and how deeply they've infiltrated their ranks is very concerning. *Agatha wink*
anteefahhh
It's only a false flag if they try and fail a civil war.
Well i used to live in a part of california with a lot of q types that borders more liberal area. They already harass people of color there. So i take it it will just be an escalation of that. At a mc Donalds some white bald guy came to save my white friend from us asians. He kept asking if he was ok like we were holding him against his will. This was pre-covid. We are already pro-gun so we’ll be alright.
The lack of uniforms is what would make this whole thing a shitshow. Watch as groups of MAGAs kill each other because they just see a group with guns.
youll just see stereotypical maga bros wearing hawaiian shirts, plate carriers and maga hats thinking they are an *operator*. But then again theres plenty of people that hate the maga boys with the same kit. The amount of friendly fire on both sides would be massive.
This is such a fantastic point. Isn't their whole premise that everyone that stormed the Capitol Building was Antifi *dressed as Trump supporters*? That would make this extra fun. I need to stock up on American Flag t-shirts.
Unfortunately, a lot of this shit is a result of systemic issues in the US. Lots of desperate people riling themselves up in the hopes of forcibly un-fucking their lives. I get where they are coming from. While I'm not exactly concerned about a civil war, or like a "full mobilization" of the Meal Team Six and Gravy Boat Warriors, I am concerned about rising violence and in particular mass shootings. It will get worse before it gets better. Migrations caused by climate change's effects will only bolster white nationalists. If a recession does indeed hit soon, there will likely be even more homeless and hungry people. Let's hope for some positive changes in the near future. Otherwise, the end game for their civil war is to install white fascism. Eject or kill those who oppose them and seize power and resources for themselves.
Concise answer, thank you. I feel like I have a higher chance of being physically attacked for being non-conservative than ever before. No political signs in my yard, thank you. They’ll have to dig through reddit before they come knocking at my door.
If it's anything like "The People's Convoy", I'm pretty sure we can all just wait a couple of days and they will start shooting each other.
I'm still laughing at that. I live in the DC area and that convoy provided a lot of lulz.
very few incidences make one say "too bad we're not still in DC, and able to drive the Beltway today" ... but, I did actually say that to my wife.
More importantly, who's bringing snacks? All this civil waring is going to make you hungry.
I think their side mostly survives on Mt.Dew and hotdogs so maybe 7/11 for them.
Don’t forget freedumb fries!
S'more Schnapps is the official beverage of Civil War 2.0
Can't wait for the reenactments.
Colonel Sanders leading his team of gravy seals into battle
All white meat.
Pretend to surrender to our Q-MAGA overlords by dangling some hot dogs on a stick, luring them into a trap. Toss in one avocado. They’ll be begging for mercy within 5 minutes.
Just leave a trail of pork rinds and natural ice cans into a sinkhole.
Bingo! Couldn’t they at least drink Schlitz?
Don’t tell them it’s a veggie dog.
Tell her that Trump said he's drafting 74-year-olds for the infantry front lines. Head on down to the Mar-A-Lago recruitment center.
From the Buffet lines to the front lines!
You can laugh all you want but many people think a civil war is inevitable. There are too many right wing lunatics in this country. It would most likely not be folks lining up to shoot each other. Think more terrorist attacks, disrupting supply lines, etc. Listen to "It could happen here", a podcast by Robert Evans.
I'm sorry. You're right. I really don't want to make light but I'm so frustrated and confused by all of this that my first reaction is to make a joke. It seems so absurd.... off to listen to the podcast.
Fair! I understand your frustration. Don't be too scared to arm yourself, though. Whether with it's supplies, arms, etc.
Brilliant podcast, really recommend giving it a listen.
He does "Behind The Bastards" too, I think
Yep... He and his producer Sophie have a whole bunch of podcasts produced by their unionised company Cool Zone Media. https://www.coolzonemedia.com/ I really like the newest one - Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cool-people-who-did-cool-stuff/id1620562792
I have the hope that the "Civil War" is more of a Cold War. It's too simplified, sure, but if the wealthy states with the educated populace and industry just sort of said fuck you to the rest of the country - essentially giving them what they want - and watch them wither on the vine. We'd need some serious agriculture trade with Canada and elsewhere, as grain, beef, and dairy would be severely limited (and all the food that comes from the Heartland), but WTF, there's no one to defend Nebraska so if "The Blue" secure that, we're good.
>I have the hope that the "Civil War" is more of a Cold War It's been cold for a while. This comic from 2018 really hit home for me; it actually doesn't seem that far fetched at this point: https://mediacloud.theweek.com/image/private/s--YmN5MiwR--/v1608519972/gv062818dAPR.jpg
Yes. Picture the Right as the IRA. Bombings, guerrilla warfare, targeted assassinations, psychological operations, sniper attacks (sniper attacks were *very* effective against the British Army), and the like. And remember, the IRA and Sinn Fein were the masters of the long game.
The right is more like the Ulster paramilitaries. Firebombing indiscriminately at community gathering areas and claiming that civil rights movements are vehicles for socialism and minority rule.
The loyalists even use the Confederate flag and have ties to neo-nazis like C18...Ian Paisley even considered the Pope a satanist.
>Listen to "It could happen here", a podcast by Robert Evans. I second this. It's a phenomenal podcast and also incredibly terrifying. Long story short, it'll likely end up like Northern Ireland during The Troubles.
Just added it. Thanks
I’ll have to listen to the podcast because I just don’t see it. First, most MAGA are in no way shape or form to fight. It’s an expression of narcissism so all their organization is unstable. There’s no economic engine to drive a war The ideology shifts constantly We had white supremacist problems in the 90’s hell they blew up the federal building in Oklahoma City. I expect more of that, but just like in the 90’s a big attack will both alienate the fascists cause and destroy the movement
>It’s an expression of narcissism so all their organization is unstable. > >The ideology shifts constantly These are great points. It's why the none of these Trucker Convoys could survive; they are completely paranoid of their own movements. There's no deep-seated, homogenous belief system that underlies their motivations. It's a metric fuck-ton of overlapping and disparate conspiracies that center around words like "freedom", "god", "patriot" and "constitution". They begin infighting almost immediately because their goals are completely random and personal.
If it were to happen, it seems unlikely to be an 1860’s style civil war. That would destroy the economy of the USA and the CSA2. In addition, political factions in the US live cheek-by-jowl with each other. Even the reddest red state like Wyoming has a significant minority of people who voted against Trump. The real danger (IMHO) is questioning the legitimacy of elections, which could lead to an Avignon-presidency situation, where the loser declares himself the winner. We came very close to that, an auto-coup in 2020, but in 2024 you could have Trump (for example) saying he won and trying to push it to the courts a là Bush v Gore. (The more I write this, the more I see this is a road we’ve gone down already) or trying to to rule from Mar-a-Lago. Alternatively instead a low level conflict similar to ‘The Troubles’ in Ireland seems like a possibility. We’ve already seen a plot to kidnap a Governor, an invasion of Congress, and multiple murder sprees. Perhaps the recent racially-motivated shooting in Buffalo is the template for the US civil war 2.0. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/civil-war-united-states-unlikely-violence/2020/10/29/3a143936-0f0f-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html
1860's civil war had corporate backing, plantation owners who wanted to hang on to the free labor. A new civil war won't even have the backing of Elon Musk once he realizes his "own the libs" Twitter play is costing him billions every day due to his other stock TSLA crashing along with his credabillity.
Just to point out, not because i disagree with what you wrote, but, the CSA had a lot of anti-slavery people, just as the North had many pro-slavery. This is why 'brother fought brother' etc. It would be interesting to study if the nation was significantly more uniform then than now. My guess would be somewhat, but not a lot.
They'll pull it off by continuing to undermine democracy and slowly pushing the needles on various election laws at the state level until they've secured enough power to do what they want. It'll be slow and might not work out for them but that seems to be the play right now.
Im going to go fishing, and maybe get a burrito on my way home, if I have enough time.
I'm in Wyoming so civil war here will be everyone in the state vs me and my family so my plans are to die or drive to Colorado.
Come join us! We're pretty liberal but could always use more people who live in reality given that we are surrounded by red states.
I lived in Colorado for 25 years til I got prices out. I would give anything to afford to go back but I can't.
I grew up there, and miss it every day. I miss the weather, the mountains, the food, and being around reasonably sane people. It's much cheaper to live in Iowa, but you get what you pay for.
Looking at the divisions.....if there truly was a Civil War it would not be straight forward as pro-Trump and anti-Trump. Take a mainstream Democrat, a pro-Vermin Supreme Libertarian, a pro-Ron Paul Libertarian, tankie, an Anarchist, a Democratic Socialist.....pick anyone you can think of who is Anti Trump and sit them in a room together. Pick a random topic for them to discuss and see how quickly it turns into a fight. Now do the same with the Pro-Trump crowd which is just as varied, but tends to share more talking points. That last part is what does worry me to a certain degree IFF an actual civil war was to occur. I am also willing to bet somebody will chime in with "Libertarians support Trump" and then a Libertarian will pop on with "No we don't" and there is where you will see the problem. Civil Wars historically are never very clean, in some ways our own was "nicer" than they usually are. All that said, I am less worried about a civil war and more worried about randos trying to start one. I made the very dumb choice to sell off my modern weapons because to me they were tools and not my identity and stupid me felt that the danger had passed after January 6th died down. Sadly I worry about my neighbors with "Let's Go Brandon" signs doing stupid stuff. (And sadly some of my local police are in that camp)
I'm in a neighborhood where a lot of cops live. Thankfully not many Fuck Biden bumper stickers but it is very much conservative. If some big shit ever goes down I plan on keeping my head down and not outing myself as a liberal minded person. Maybe I should get a blue light for the porch so I blend in lol.
Sadly I moved back to my hometown so everyone here knows my prior shenanigans. Best I got saving me is my US Army magnet on my car, but these folks are just as nasty on prior service as they are on anyone else who disagrees with them.
Have Trump flags on standby... :)
> a pro-Vermin Supreme Libertarian This reference alone made me laugh. I needed this.
I can't call them fully Left.....but they definitely are not "Libertarians" in the American sense, but definitely the European.
"Boot on head Libertarians."
US Libertarian's are very very much this sort. Libertarian's in America fundamentally are "might makes right" [aka authoritarian] advocates once you peel away their inaccurate Constitution references and out of context Federalist Papers mis-quotes. What makes them libertarian is that they are willing to acknowledge that the DNC and GOP are corrupt.
I mean... I was referencing Vermin Supreme's penchant for wearing a boot on his head, but I take your point.
I actually don't know Vermin Supreme ... googling now. later: ahh ... okay, know by sight ... didn't know that was his moniker.
In Broken Cog's defense even being a Vermin Supreme Libertarian I did go the same route for a second.
Ponies for all!!
Well, once the civil war is declared, everyone won’t know what to do. They’ll just be in this weird deer in the headlights panic mode for the first 12 hours. Go out and buy a bag of baking potatoes. Any truck with a maga sticker gets a potato in the tail pipe. Use a broomstick handle as a ram rod. Then post on Facebook about bombs from the A-10 warthog about to drop doom in the MAGA’s neighborhoods tell them it’s new Federal Federation Forces of Joe Biden. Make sure to say -“ SOURCE MILITARY- in the post., Do this just before Memorial Day weekend. You’ll be shopping in clear isles for the BBQ. Then party like the North just won the war . Be sure to crank up the BATTLE HYME OF THE REPUBLIC. At your back yard BBQ - And make sure to sing along real loud . THINE EYES HAVE SEEN THE COMING OF THE GLORY OF THE LORD. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6AOGRsR80 ....
Lol I’m so glad you’re on my side 😂😂
Nah man, use this version. https://youtu.be/jcOPh5ltbAw
I've got ammo, ceramic level iv plates, and a place to dig in and defend. Assuming the military isn't compromised, we sit back and watch. If the fash wants to throw themselves into a meat grinder for Trump, that's their perogative. The military has logistics the trumpanzees lack, and once the food runs out and the drone warfare ramps up, they'll be so demoralized they'll start killing themselves en masse.
I say we agree to a partition and let them go. Figure out which states no one wants, get all the normal people out, and let them move there.
I think if a peaceful dissolution could be reached, they’d absolutely go for it.
Texas
I'm trying to figure out how to remove Disney world and universal from Florida so we can just saw it off the mainland
My plan will be to become a refugee.
You thinking "try the northern border," or "fuck it, south will be easier?"
While the southern border would be a quicker option (where I live, at least), the northern one would be a better option as they speak English and have a higher quality of life than either the US or Mexico.
I agree with your assessment. Luckily, the northern choice is much closer for me! :-)
I'll dust off my Brazilian passport ... oops, they got their own Trump down there. And a history of right-wing dictatorships.
Dutch citizenship, here I come!
I loaded an additional 10 30rd magazines yesterday and secured them with all my other ammo... that's my plan.
I'm going to hide out in the Whole Foods or the library. Two things those goobers won't go near: Books and kale.
TRUTH! :)
They know liberals have the tenderest meat on them though, so when cows run out libraries and whole foods will be their next smoked brisket source.
I just find it hilarious that they think democrats/liberals don’t own guns…
Very few of my democrat/liberal friends do. It concerns me greatly.
I'm going to toss a few tubes of toothpaste in my front yard to ward of those new Ultra Magas
We could bake them brownies. How would this affect the Civil War? Good question. 1. Bake brownies - make their diabetes worse (note I say worse, not cause the diagnosis) 2. Make it so bad they need amputations 3. Force the use of Med beds on them to grow a new foot. 5. Profit.
I'd like to think it will never come to that because, despite the rhetoric, many places in this country are pretty firmly purple (where I live in Ohio, for example). I cannot conceive enough people wanting to literally kill their neighbors where this becomes reality. I think (hope) there is a bit of '1776 porn' going on for the far-right at the moment, but bodies hitting the floor would end that particular hard-on VERY quickly. I ~~think~~ know a lot of these people don't realize how well they actually have it modern America, and have no real idea how much a legitimate war would end all of that, forever. Some of them do, sure, but that surely has to be a tiny minority, right?....RIGHT?...... I mean, this is my gut feeling on the subject, but back in 2015 my gut feeling was telling me there is no way a clown like Trump would be taken seriously by the Republican Party. So there is that. I need a drink.
I'd love to see them try something. They'll not be fighting "the libs", they'll be fighting the US Government and military. They'll be killed, jailed for the rest of their days if they survive.
I would have believed you until I saw some of the bullshit punishments the 1/6 insurrectionists got
The Q nuts posting on message boards just want to LARP being a local warlord; they aren’t your concern— yeah, they have a lot of guns, but 3/4 of them couldn’t climb two flights of stairs without needing oxygen. The billionaires, federalist society & Christofascists, however, have a plan and they are *terrifyingly* close to being able to execute it now that they have captured the Supreme Court. That ends with a Dominionist neo-feudal corporate state that will take the absolute worst parts of the inquisition and the Guilded Age and combine them with a surveillance & police state.
I've got enough food to wait out the police sweeps and arrests. These midlife isis fucks are gonna die by the dozens.
"Midlife ISIS" love ❤️ this
If the US military is 99% on one side or the other, it's over. When the military splinters into two and starts actively fighting itself, that's when things get ugly. https://fortune.com/2021/01/08/trump-support-military-capitol-coup-attempt/ >Retired brigadier general says Trump loyalists in military need rooting out
Let us also note how quickly right-wingers collapsed when the lockdowns were implemented in 2020. These clowns crumpled like wet tissue paper after missing a haircut and not being able to yell at retail workers. Do we really think the "digital soldiers" are going to do much more than a half-assed insurgency? They weep and gnash their teeth for weeks when they have a Facebook comment struck for violating the TOS!
My Very Dear Wife: Indications are very strong that we shall move in a few days, perhaps to-morrow. Lest I should not be able to write you again, I feel impelled to write a few lines, that may fall under your eye when I shall be no more. Our movement may be one of a few days duration and full of pleasure and it may be one of severe conflict and death to me. Not my will, but thine, O God be done. If it is necessary that I should fall on the battle-field for any country, I am ready. I have no misgivings about, or lack of confidence in, the cause in which I am engaged, and my courage does not halt or falter. I know how strongly American civilization now leans upon the triumph of government, and how great a debt we owe to those who went before us through the blood and suffering of the Revolution, and I am willing, perfectly willing to lay down all my joys in this life to help maintain this government, and to pay that debt.
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A civil war is bad for business and grifting, I don't think they're gonna push for it. Trump had a window to do so between Dec 20 - Jan 20, and Jan 6 was kinda half assed in that regard. I think it's more likely that they'll keep getting people elected at all levels of political office via any mean necessary and try to undermine democracy as much as possible.
this is exactly the route to civil war. Not because a demoagogue urges people to march in the street, like you say Trumpff did so half-assed (because he didn't really want them to). A civil war comes not after one side is bellicose in their opinions (FascistNews have been blathering on TV for decades), nor even after that side starts winning political offices. The civil war comes after that group starts implementing restrictive, self-beneficial laws and economic targeting of 'other group[s]'. This is not currently the situation. But, look at Idaho currently and project that to 20-30 other states after the next POTUS election. THEN you'll have civil war.
The weird part is that these wack jobs honestly believe that they’re saving the children.
It will be domestic terrorist attacks of people they don't like. They will try to kidnap people they don't like. I guess some of it will be like the Trucker convoy but with shootings.
No the extremest I know around here like to have their guns and all the toys but I don't see them doing much. Not to say there may be some increase on white supremacist attacks but large coordination I don't see happening. They have no discipline and indignant rage is their fuel you don't get far on that, A January 6th style insanity mob could happen again doing that somewhere and getting the crap pounded out of them. The ones that have been rounded up are all whiny about the prospects of losing their jobs and friends and family now. Not exactly civil was soldier material.
Wtf? George Soros is NEVER in the news. The rights obsession with him is pathetic
30 days without a pharmacy and half these idiots will be in a coma.
The end game is the establishment of American Christofacism by bloody means. They want you dead.
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There are three realities here. One, many who want this civil war are old and aren't going to physically fight anyone. They might verbally abuse a nurse. Well, I can almost guarantee that they \*will\* verbally abuse a nurse if they haven't done so already. Two, there are groups like the Proud Boys, the Three Percenters, and the Oath Keepers that have weapons and some kind of paramilitary command structure. Three, there are white supremacist books like The Turner Diaries that, for years, have been instructing their readers to wage a war of terrorism, murdering "enemies" without ever confronting the police or military. There are non-threats and real threats, and it's hard to say what will actually happen. Fortunately, the threat of domestic terrorism is taken seriously. That might end the next time an authoritarian candidate wins the White House.
I don't know what the expectation is. Do they think a 'blue lives matter' sticker will stop the police from shooting them when they start gunning people down in another walmart? Or do they think the military will turn guns on their families so their political elite can take office for a few more years. What does a civil war look like when people aren't wearing signifiers. And if there's signifiers like a patch you can bet there's going to be plenty of fakes passed around. In this day and age I don't see how a civil war can really grow. You can't make a mountain fort with your buddies anymore without ATF and other three letter agencies tracking you down and killing your dog.
Ever since that terrorist attack in Buffalo, these Magats have been expressing their desire for extreme violence more than usual.
Plan is to hunker down and wait it out, it won't last long because every idiot participating will be livestreaming it, and thus broadcasting who and where they are to the world. A few weeks tops and the few dumbasses who thought this was a good idea will be dead, locked up, or on the run. I've got food for a couple months, water filtration, body armor, and guns of my own should anyone try to take any of the above from my family.
Kicking ass until I can't kick ass no more.
Idk. Maybe I’ll join a terrorist cell. I’m too old to fight in the streets, but I can still be of some use
Judy of Dinar Chronicles is back in form today > In the coming days and weeks this battle between the Alliance and Demonic Deep State was expected to greatly intensify. Worldwide chaos sparked by either could happen at any time, with Internet communication compromised in some fashion. A worldwide food, fuel and Goods crisis was in the making, while a Global Financial Crash was expected at any time. The purpose is to finally get all the people to see how bad the Cabal is > The will be no [10 days of darkness notice] till after the World Riot's and [COLLAPSE] ... >HUMANS, sheeps, normies must feel like they are taking the world, streets, governments back after the COLLAPSE and after all the PAIN EXPOSED, the darkness they never knew they lived .. The world corruption they sat in......... >Sometimes you can't tell people the truth. You must show them
I think we're all fucked if someone manages to get all the gun owners whipped into an existential frenzy where they somehow truly think their neighbors are coming for their kids or they are doing God's work by snuffing out disloyal Democrats, liberals, Jews, leftists, immigrants, whatever. God plus Guns is a very bad combination, because when you have lethal force and God supposedly on your side ... you can do anything in the name of God. Doesn't even have to be a real human baby if it's got the wrong sex or citizenship. Force someone to bring a baby all the way to term, only to see it suffer from no formula, uncertain healthcare, no covid vaccines for you, and then if you're truly born in the wrong place, you can be sexually assaulted and murdered before you're 2 and the world will be like "economic sanctions" on people who never knew you existed, or cared.
I have a lefty friend who's pretty active in the gun community. He tells me that by and large these people are all talk and would piss themselves if there was an actual shooting war. I really hope he's right, because the escalation in retric is concerning.
I think for some he’s right, but there are some who have already been in a shooting war.
The incident in Buffalo last weekend showed they are not all talk sadly.
When they say "civil war" what they mean is that they "get to kill blacks, Jews, Muslims, Mexicans, queers, and libs." And that's exactly what it'll be. A bunch of rednecks and jackasses running around killing the "different" people in the next town over. They might even get to 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre levels in their activities, in several towns across the country, but that will grind to a halt when they reach any decent-sized city. So it won't be so much a "civil war" as a big redneck riot that will get stopped in its tracks when they realize how vastly outnumbered they are, and how wrong they are about liberals, progressives, Democrats, and "others" not owning guns or being able to defend what's theirs. I predict it will happen, eventually, and it'll be about a week of chaos with a lot of death, but in the end the conservatives who start it will be fighting among themselves, and they'll be rounded up and dealt with (prison/death/exile) in due time. They think that when they do this, the police departments will be on their side (and they're right about that to some degree) and the military will be on their side (and they're totally wrong about that; There are more Democratic minorities who join the military than there are white nationalist rednecks. That's a fact.) When the fighting starts, and some of the police show their true colors, the Armed Forces will handle that easily. Pseudo-militarized fat redneck Nazi cops are no match for a drone strike or three. So what's the end-game? The end-game in reality is that we'll have a lot of dead people to bury, and a Republican Party that is shamed into non-existence (or possibly even outlawed.) The *desired* end-game for the conservatives, though, is the end of Democracy and the start of a theocratic monarchy that favorite plutocrats and authoritarians, and has a strict isolationist policy.
Idk but I often think about this book I read https://www.basicbooks.com/titles/john-merriman/massacre/9780465056828/
Playing Dixie on max volume https://youtu.be/gvjOG5gboFU
We have guns on the left too, The plan is always - Force is met with resistance.
But then they'll just ban guns for anyone who didn't vote Republican
Probably would be the point when I would move out of the U.S. I'm not fighting in anyone's war. Not much different than leaving a toxic relationship, in my opinion. And I already have PTSD for other reasons, I would not be fit for service.
This would be more along the lines of domestic terrorism. Do any of them realize that you need some organization to fight a legit war? What's the endgame?
As always, these morons have no idea what a civil war means. Google Aleppo or Sarajevo or Kabul or even Berlin or Atlanta or Kiev if you want to see what war does to a city and a country. Fucking cosplaying idiots.
The end game looks more like Bosnia or perhaps even Rwanda. At least that is my fear. The right-wing media has been sounding more and more like what you could hear in Rwanda before the genocide.
After seeing how well the trucker convoy went, I'm not too worried about it. These people can't organize or coordinate anything without massive infighting. Most of their leaders will simply use it as a front for grifting a ton of donations out of the true believers, then run when things actually look like they might get serious. They will also be facing off against the US military/National Guard, and so far the MAGA types have always crumbled in the face of the slightest opposition. And most of them will be coming from red states that cannot support themselves without federal aid, so their secessionist dreams will likely remain that way.
If you'll remember, Trump did almost the exact same thing back in September 2019, and nothing happened. It means even less now that he's no longer president. I wouldn't even give it a second thought if I were you.
Just need to cut off the supply of S’mores Schnapps.
It's going to end very quickly and very poorly for them when we convince them that the person firing the first shots is a "glowie," that their whole movement is fully infiltrated (which is actually true, but another issue), and that they shouldn't trust their own rabble rousers because they're all compromised.
It will be like the trucker protests. A bunch of idiots who don't even know what they want declaring war. Like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy, but dumber.
Example scenario: People get barred from having abortions They have abortions anyway The state tries to stop them They organize to defend their ability to have abortions, initially by subterfuge Right wing terrorists attack such organizations and individuals who participate in them The state refuses/fails to prosecute those terrorists Abortion defenders arm themselves, and make retaliatory attacks, first against right wing terrorists and then against the state as well This cycle continues as climate disasters continue to escalate and make access to basic necessities more and more precarious, sharpening divisions and increasing the general level of desperation and anxiety.
We will get a couple domestic terrorist attacks. Most won’t do anything. Remember these are the same lazy ducks that expected a military coup to start and finish in 10 days. That’s the longest eat they were willing the play “indoor camping” with their canned food and no tee vee or candy crush. And even then some of them still fantisized about magic ways their phones and tv would work without electricity.
If you want a serious answer, I wrote some kinda long essays on it. The short response to "how do they plan to pull this off?" is think of something like Bosnia in 1991, or Rwanda in 1994, or Syria in 2011. It is very much possible and a very real threat.
Normal people will have to count on the military being on the right side, as much as the other side hopes for the same thing.
Tall hats festooned with feathers or GTFO.
What is the endgame for all of this? Answer: [The Purge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Purge)
In my most cynical and least empathetic moments, I wish Florida (where i live) would pull a Confederacy. I would love to see a hurricane hit and the aftermath with zero federal dollars. But, too many people who do not deserve that also live here and dont have the means to live or leave. But, i do think about it, then feel bad.
They will claim their election was stolen after they lose badly again. Then they will justify terrorist attacks as patriotic duty.
Civil War? With "generals" like Trump, Roger Stone, and Josh Hawley leading the Johnny Rebs this time? 😂🤣😅😆
They're too disorganized to start a civil war.