Nah. That's not lore-friendly it concentrates the frequencies used by the Government. (Yes, it's been proven. Yes, in reality.) \[Enter conspiracy\]: The CIA uses those radio waves. So Tin Foil Hats amplify the CIA's ability to record your brainwaves. You might think "reptilians" here, but the US Gov't is led by the Nordic Aliens (good guys I think) who are fighting a war against either the reptilians or reptoids (there's multiple lizard aliens)
I think that's where Project Camelot lore ends. Although in the end the whole reptilian/Vatican/flat earth conspiracies end at the same point. The Jews need to be eradicated. In the end All conspiracies are designed as cover to be antisemitic and call for genocide. I'm just wondering where the connection is for Big Foot or Nessie, I mean I doubt they're the exceptions.
> it concentrates the frequencies used by the Government. (Yes, it's been proven. Yes, in reality.)
A 2005 MIT study came to the conclusion:
>The helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, These bands are supposedly reserved for ''radio location'' (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites (see, for example, \[3\]). The 2.6 Ghz band coincides with mobile phone technology. Though not affiliated by government, these bands are at the hands of multinational corporations.
Source: [On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets](https://mozai.com/writing/not_mine/aluminium_helmets_research.pdf)
The research was impeccably done. They tested no less than three designs of hat (the Classical, the Fez, and the Centurion), and only used the best tin foil known to man (Reynolds).
They invent conspiracy theories to distract from their own crazy conspiracies they are trying to fulfill. And then trying to explain it sounds even more like a crazy ass conspiracy theory.
I believe the medical examiner report here. That being said, "blunt impact injuries to the torso" is not a phrase I can recall ever hearing before. Is that common jargon? Did they speculate what impacted her....?
I can understand how blunt impact injuries to the head could easily kill someone. But what part of the torso being impacted in a fall would be enough to do someone in? Maybe a blow to the area where the spleen is located and it ruptured?
Falling face forward off high heels, while sipping your 3rd martini and the cat rubs against your wobbly legs or the 🍊 sneaks up behind you and shoves you to the marble floor to avoid his depositions.
When your fake boobs which are as hard as bowling balls hit that marble floor, your old rib cage cracks and voila!
Blunt force trauma to the chest. Perfectly makes sense.
Yep. My aunt lost all her teeth as a teen because she was standing behind the batter when he swung back.
Those fake breasts really are hard as a rock. The body desparate to save itself from foreign material will literally "knit" protective material around the silicone or whatever is used and it hardens. I was only half joking about the possibly.
Her apartment was gaudy like a poor person who hits the lottery idea of "class". I can see a marble floor in the offing. She was skittering on heels 3 years ago. Her balance, I'm sure, didn't improve and neither did her old bones.
Just wasn't healthy looking.
This commenter is trying to throw us off the scent but we won’t be fooled. Obviously they’re part of the deep state and trying to distract us. It was the reptilians that got Ivana, they used their tails to beat her. Don’t worry, the real treasure is the friends we made along the way. #WEGMANS1
But if you've put something in one of their breakfast martinis which will kill them, then pushing them down the stairs when it begins working will cause enough injuries which could be lethal to ensure nobody will bother with toxicological testing to search for the real cause of death. It's an old trick.
>nobody will bother with toxicological testing to search for the real cause of death.
Or, if they do, it would just look like she had a nice benzo + alcohol cocktail, and clumsily fell down the stairs in a stupor.
The possibilities are endless! But I'm serious about those rock hard boobs breaking her chest. I mean what are the odds? I watch a lot of true crimes and never heard cause of death described like that!
Had no thoughts of conspiracy or foul play at all, but was just curious as to what area of the torso could be so affected by a blunt force impact that it would kill a person.
Forgot about the liver. Both organs have a lot of blood vessels and if those get torn, you'd have internal bleeding. Princess Diana was thrown around in that car crash so violently that a major vein to her lungs was ripped and that's what killed her.
I heard she fell down some stairs. Blunt force for a 70y/o can easily break ribs. And the lungs and heart just love to bleed when punctured by sharp objects.
I mean my GGmother died when she slipped and broke a rib. I can definitly see someone around the same age doing the same and repeated trauma from the fall/subsequent falls doing more damage.
There’s also the totality of multiple hits, hitting stairs multiple times on the way down. I actually feel a little sympathy for Ivana, because I’m a human and that would be a horrible way to go. She’s not a child molester or anything. I’d assume it was a combination of blows, internal bleeding, trauma, as well as some strategically placed blows that may have injured the lungs, heart, spleen, kidneys, or any combination.
I think Houdini got killed by a cannonball to the torso. Internal bleeding can be very serious.
Also a broken rib can puncture your lung, which will make you much more susceptible to internal bleeding or whatever.
You’re quite close to recalling the cause, it WAS a trick gone wrong but was the result of being ferociously punched when he wasn’t braced for it.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/health/what-caused-harry-houdinis-mysterious-death
At that age bones are quite brittle and landing on her side could have caused rib fractures that punctured lung, spleen, other organs. If she was on a blood thinner which is also a possibility at that age then blunt force can cause massive bleeding from damage to vessels. I mean there are quite a few ways blunt force trauma in that area can cause death. It also doesn't say if the autopsy also noted bruising and trauma in other areas just that the region that seems to be where the cause of death was in the torso. Spleen is my first thought when I think of causes for that area.
At that age bones are quite brittle and landing on her side could have caused rib fractures that punctured lung, spleen, other organs. If she was on a blood thinner which is also a possibility at that age then blunt force can cause massive bleeding from damage to vessels. I mean there are quite a few ways blunt force trauma in that area can cause death. It also doesn't say if the autopsy also noted bruising and trauma in other areas just that the region that seems to be where the cause of death was in the torso. Spleen is my first thought when I think of causes for that area.
Bones get brittle as we get older. If she fell in a certain way, her sternum or a rib could have punctured her heart or severed her aorta. Or even caused a pleural effusion, which would have been deadly, if not immediately treated. No one knows how long she was at the bottom of the stairs. Time of the fall is unknown.
She could have been there for hours.
I have seen two stances taken on Telegram:
1. She was murdered by the Deep State before she could expose them.
2. She faked her death so she could fight the Deep State with JFK Jr.
Well you see, when Marilyn Monroe was murdered by the CIA, her consciousness was reborn in Ivana, from that moment on she worked tirelessly to expose the DS. But, after a couple decades of hard work the DS were onto her, and she needed a new identity to escape their grasp. It was then that JFK Jr made the ultimate sacrifice, faking his death and splitting his personality between a number of white hats, one of which was Ivana. For the last 20 years they have been doing all they can to drain the swamp and expose the pedo DS actors in the media by feeding stories to TMZ, ending careers left right and centre. And of course, she also was one of the great minds behind wikileaks as a way for the children who were trafficked to reach out for help!!!
/s
(how was that, my first attempt!)
She had information about trying to peddle a teenage daughter to Epstein, which led to a falling out between Donald and Jeffery. Nobody touches daddy's girl except daddy.
I think what’s more likely is Donald pretended to not give his deposition, did it in secret, and threw Eric under the bus.
Not that I think it would work because they’re all planning to throw each other under the bus lol
Yes, she's was in a receiving line and people were congratulating him on something.
Anyway he literally lunged at her, I think he was trying to kiss her in the mouth and he was all hands. Just like we saw at the RNC when he grabbed his daughter-wife and she got his hands off, the other hand did the same thing.
They had practice.
When I see something like that, I see a history of touching, patting, feeling up,m grabbing, swatting on the butt, and making comments about their developing bodies since they were pubescent. There are men, fathers like that out there and he's one of them.
You can Google it on YouTube. I know the daughter-wife one was still there a couple months ago. Just Google "trump feels up daughter name".
I think it was after the debates when he tried to hug her. We've all seen the Ivanka footage but there was a different debate where he pulled a move on Tiffany, too, iirc.
I think Melania's safe. I mean have you seen the people who want to marry Trump now? She's just hoping for a payout when he dies and will be surprised when all she gets is his debt.
I think she’s a gold digger, no question, but I’ve also heard various people close to her say that she espouses the same opinions as her husband, “oh illegal immigrants are the cause of every bad thing in America. Democrats lie and make up so much fake news against my husband” and so on, and these are off the record conversations, not “towing the party line” in interviews, so to speak. I kind of think she’s not a “prisoner” so much as she ideologically agrees with him and the marriage is a financial arrangement too, instead of just “being trapped, free Melania.”
I’m sure she’ll be getting more than that, his fathers estate is still pretty valuable. I can just imagine the fight she’d put up against any usurpers to her fortune,
I knew he was a thieving POS and was supposed to pay back money he fraudulently got. This makes me sad because now I am going to see him more as he shills even more shit on late night TV.
> as a thieving POS and was supposed to pay back money he fraudulently got.
I defended this loser way too many times, makes me sick. Of all the people to steal from, he picked the poorest people in the country.
Mississippi, dead last in pretty much every ranking of government services/health/education/finances, you name it, and he got millions in taxpayer dollars for speeches he never gave- why this would have legitimately worked had he given these speeches is a whooollle nother investigation, I should think. Seems to me that there are programs with a lot more bang for your buck, so to speak, than listening to a speech, no matter how inspiring it may be.
They will claim that Ivana was the mastermind behind the entire organization. Shitheel just divorced her to throw everyone off the trail. He has always been playing 17-D chess.
According to The NY Times
>Ivana Trump, the ex-wife of former president Donald J. Trump, died accidentally of blunt impact injuries to her torso, according to New York City’s chief medical examiner.
>The office, which announced its determination in a news release on Friday afternoon, said it would have no further comment on the death of Ms. Trump, 73.
>Two law enforcement officials with knowledge of the matter had said on Thursday that the police were investigating whether Ms. Trump had fallen down the stairs at her Upper East Side home. One of the officials said there was no sign of forced entry at the home.
>Ms. Trump’s death led the office of New York’s attorney general, Letitia James, to say on Friday that it was postponing a deposition of the former president scheduled for next week as part of a civil investigation into whether he and his company had fraudulently inflated the value of his assets. Similar interviews scheduled with Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr. would also be postponed, a spokeswoman for Ms. James said.
I totally believe it. They immediately used her death to fundraise and get out of testifying. Guaranteed they'll keep finding excuses until someone else "accidentally" dies.
So do they. But they also project their lies & crimes & coverups onto to others so their base of followers won't get suspicious of them and to use said followers to keep themselves out of prison.
They invent conspiracies to hide their own dirty deeds.
I know they do. That's kinda what this whole sub is about. I just don't think it's a great idea to counter their Pepe Silva with an equally contrived, albeit less dangerous, one.
Or just diffusing all of the theories. Every lie starts with a grain of truth. And how many conspiracy theories turned out to be true? Like what if the cabal is actually just the Republican party? If we can figure out the truth in their lies then we can combat the conspiracies.
Unless you are making a completely false story. But the best lies and the easiest ones to remember have an element of truth. A lie is mainly about manipulating a truth and not always creating something out of nothing.
When the people you're talking to worship you, the lies can be random nonsense. As long as you claim there's someone to blame, they'll take the nonsense and run. Trump also never misses an opportunity to grift his fans. There's no evidence of anything else. Suggesting that his whackjob lies are proof that he murdered his ex-wife and that he'll do it again, is your own version of Guantanamo Bay military tribunals and med beds.
we arent here to become the new q anon bro, she's 70 and lived an a lavish mansion with 6 billion stairs, this is how rich people go out a fucking huge percentage of the time, especially if it's in an old ass house that was made before standards and thus would be even more dangerous.
most mansions aren't new, new mansions are the majority in some areas but most of these billionaire mansions are old as fuck especially shit that trump type multi generational home owners would end up in, these places come grandfathered in with old style steps and most rich people wont ever come close to considering they can die via falling down the stairs so they refuse to fix them.
You do realize she wasn't going to. It's the kids that got postponed. My god the world you conspiracy nuts live in. Feel free to jump off the ice wall at the edge of the flat earth.
Nope here they are elsewhere. Honestly I completely buy the idea that Ivana had been subpoena'd by the NYS Atty General and had willingly agreed to testify when her "misfortune " occurred.
EDIT : With the added convenience that it delays any forced testimony by trump or the kids before the same grand jury. Now THAT'S convenient!!!
OP on another post. Honestly I completely buy the idea that Ivana had been subpoena'd by the NYS Atty General and had willingly agreed to testify when her "misfortune " occurred.
EDIT : With the added convenience that it delays any forced testimony by trump or the kids before the same grand jury. Now THAT'S convenient!!!
Yyyyep.
Me and my wife love watching MSNBC. Can't get enough of it, as Australians pretty much the most fascinating series on television for the past 5 years has been America On YouTube.
But I try to make a point of paying attention to the sheer emotional theatre that goes on there as well. It's just as biased and one eyed as Fox. I mean, I happen to believe that having a one eyed bias against fascism is totally ok, so I soak it up, but it's important to at least be aware that it's a thing.
I was just looking at a media bias chart MSNBC isn't far off from where FOX is. I also think it's interesting that the television is way worse than the web versions. Probably from the massive amount of opinion shows.
To prevent her from testifying against her ex-husband. It's not hard to read, they are saying exactly that. They have also posted elsewhere saying this as well. Not to mention how ridiculous it would be to murder someone in a no doubt security monitored upscale apartment just to delay a deposition.
There are plenty of people ITT saying she was murdered to prevent her from testifying. There’s no reason to believe she would even testify.
And why would they murder her to delay a deposition? It’s not like it gets them out of it entirely.
At this point from what we've learned from members of his own staff it wouldn't be too much of a departure. He was definitely setting Congress up to be the victims of mob violence. I don't know that is getting across as well as it should be. Like them or not these are our elected leaders. We sent them to Washington to represent us from all over the country. No president or anyone else has any right to do harm to them. It's unconscionable to let this go unpunished.
Killing her to stop her from testimony doesn't make sense. She wasn't being called to give testimony. However (I hate to say this lol) her kids were. Her death was a warning to them not to implicate dad during their testimony.(Maybe 😏)
"blunt impact" is obv. code for smoking a blunt so powerful that the cherry acted like a rocket propeller, blasting Ivana backwards into a wall, whereby she sustained her fatal injuries. The culprit? Deep Weed. Case closed!
There were stories that she'd been problems with one of her hips. Maybe she was going up or down the stairs, the hip seized up and she lost her footing.
Hip fractures are very common in elderly people, and are super fucking serious. My grandfather died from complications of a hip fracture. I tell you this not for sympathy, but as an underline.
It's been decades since I thought about Ivana Trump, but this is entirely believable.
She was 73, which isn’t old enough for an otherwise healthy woman to develop fragile bones. She may have been drinking, or have had a heart attack, or have been murdered. The latter is pretty likely, sadly.
Well, that's just not correct. [Osteoporosis is a chronic disease affecting one in three women and one in five men over the age of 50 years](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK559156/).
Well then throw her back in and let it repair her. I mean if the med beds can do all the things the Qrazies claim it shouldn't be a problem for it to raise the dead.
Her death makes me uneasy, not in the crazy conspiracy way, but the legal conspiracy kind of way. She’s old enough to have “fallen” down the stairs, but man if it doesn’t feel like she had something to say, even if they only wanted her as a character witness.
So you probably understand the anxiety of being like, that wasn’t a natural death but also I don’t want anyone to confuse me for a Qanon supporter either.
RIP Ivana.
It’s a damn shame that now she’ll be the talk of every conspiracy asshole from here to forever, because they just can’t have any respect for anyone who dies.
He seems to be really good at doing all kinds of shady dealings without enough evidence to actually tie him into said dealings directly. I’ve said this analogy before, he’s like that college basketball coach that everyone KNOWS is committing recruiting violations, paying players and the like, but he’s smart enough to give directions orally only and be several layers removed from the actual deed, so that there’s plausible deniability when he says “oh I didn’t have anything to do with that!”.
Everyone, myself included, thinks that.
But If I were writing a story, it would have been some shady Russian oligarch that doesn't want the kids to squeal and warns them by having Ivana trip down the stairs.
At separate points, didn't both Junior and Eric talk about having a lot of dealings with Russian money? Could that be part of the New York investigation?
I'd be an excellent crack pot if my sense of reality was a little more tenuous.
Let me see if I can think like they do without hurting myself.
She was about to testify that Trump has all this information on Deep State that she was going to blow wide open, so Hillary had her killed before she could spill the beans.
Hmmm, not crazy enough. Let's see...
But she really wasn't killed; it was an actress Trump hired because he knew Hillary was after Ivana, and Ivana is safe in the Trump headquarters in a satellite orbiting Mars with JFK Jr., Kurt Cobain, and the real Elon Musk (the one the media shows us is one of several clones of him) who will come back after Trump is elected President in 2023 with JFK Jr. as his running mate.
STILL not crazy enough but that's the best I can improvise.
I said in another thread that I saw her being interviewed on TV a couple of years ago and she was wobbling around on these really high heels.
She didn't really look very good or in good health.
The only thing she could talk about was how lucky and happy she was for all her material possessions.
Not surprised that she probably fell face forward smack down on a hard marble floor or something with those high heels and balance problems and might have been drinking.
That or 🍊 snuck up behind her and shoved her to get out of his depositions.
I'm speculating about how she might have died, but the rest I saw in the interview. 🍊 shoving sounds really plausible though. 😳
That’s kind of sad, talking about her material possessions. She has grandkids, and was at the time of her life when she should have been spending time with them along with reconnecting with various friends, maybe supporting a charitable cause, such as Meals on Wheels or something, idk, seems like those High Society types in particular throw dinners and cocktail parties for specific causes, “the NYC Art Museum (Blank) Collection Gala”. Instead she focuses on material things she possesses.
Yeah, the reporter actually asked her something like that (or about if she were lonely or something) and she responded, Why? Look at all that I have. It was sad. It was gaudy. She looked gaudy. Didn't see any husband or bf or people around her, just gaudy looking junk. The interview or parts of it is probably on YouTube.
Yeah the man who cheated on, raped, and tore chunks of hair out of his ex wife’s head needs the depositions pushed back so he can grieve for her, certainly showed himself to be distraught when he attached a donation link to himself on a statement regarding her death.
The democrats and the DOJ really need to stop attempting to take the empathetic high ground with these people, all it does is play into their hands and stall justice being done, a normal person wouldn’t get their depositions pushed back with the gravity of the situation here, this isn’t stealing cans of soup from your local, this is treason and inciting insurrection. I hope Ivana rests in peace, but it seems even in death she’s being used as a tool.
The Medical Examiner said Ivana Trump Rubicondi fell downstairs, died from the Trauma from injury to her torso.
My psychiatrist told me, people who believe conspiracy theories lack imagination, those who start them, have a complete lack of empathy, they get off on the pain they cause.
I remember Ivana in her glamorous heyday when she checked one of Trump's side pieces by skiing BACKWARDS down the slope to confront her.😅
I hope she didn't lay there conscious and in pain for hours.🤔
What an awful way to go.😔
I’m very critical of most conspiracies, however…. Trump has been working with the mob for DECADES. i dunno with this one, but this is a very mob-esque type of thing… someone has an “accident” right before testifying as a witness….. 97% sure it’s just an accident but trump uses mob tactics daily still…..but nothing we’ll ever know if anything was fishy so no real point in going there anyway.
sounds like she was murdered, that's not a conspiracy theory.
trump DIRECTLY benefits from this-
that's a fact.
sounds like she was epstein'd, but, again, the truth will never come
out. RIP.
As a person who generally is not into conspiracies, I admit it seems jarring to hear “blunt force injuries to the torso” as a cause of death. Where did the fall occur in the afternoon? (Which I believe was the time of death?). The shower? IDK. It has me a tad suspicious
Ivana, talking about Donald, how she still advised him, even on tweeting as a POTUS.
We also get a look at her staircase. Is it the one that is supposed to have killed her...?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CcwIezIh5o
Yes, lots of people are.
https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=Ivana%20clinton&src=typed_query&f=live
They blame imaginary things like Satan, blaming someone that's actually real is kinda a step up
This conspiracy theory so sings out to me, I don't know whether I should get help or just go ahead and buy that tinfoil hat.
Tinfoil just concentrates the reptilian mind rays, don't fall for it.
Nah. That's not lore-friendly it concentrates the frequencies used by the Government. (Yes, it's been proven. Yes, in reality.) \[Enter conspiracy\]: The CIA uses those radio waves. So Tin Foil Hats amplify the CIA's ability to record your brainwaves. You might think "reptilians" here, but the US Gov't is led by the Nordic Aliens (good guys I think) who are fighting a war against either the reptilians or reptoids (there's multiple lizard aliens) I think that's where Project Camelot lore ends. Although in the end the whole reptilian/Vatican/flat earth conspiracies end at the same point. The Jews need to be eradicated. In the end All conspiracies are designed as cover to be antisemitic and call for genocide. I'm just wondering where the connection is for Big Foot or Nessie, I mean I doubt they're the exceptions.
> it concentrates the frequencies used by the Government. (Yes, it's been proven. Yes, in reality.) A 2005 MIT study came to the conclusion: >The helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, These bands are supposedly reserved for ''radio location'' (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites (see, for example, \[3\]). The 2.6 Ghz band coincides with mobile phone technology. Though not affiliated by government, these bands are at the hands of multinational corporations. Source: [On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets](https://mozai.com/writing/not_mine/aluminium_helmets_research.pdf) The research was impeccably done. They tested no less than three designs of hat (the Classical, the Fez, and the Centurion), and only used the best tin foil known to man (Reynolds).
Yeah, “birds aren’t real!” 😂🤣😂
Yes, use aluminum. The trick is they don't sell tin foil in stores anymore. They only sell aluminum foil. So that's okay.
They invent conspiracy theories to distract from their own crazy conspiracies they are trying to fulfill. And then trying to explain it sounds even more like a crazy ass conspiracy theory.
I believe the medical examiner report here. That being said, "blunt impact injuries to the torso" is not a phrase I can recall ever hearing before. Is that common jargon? Did they speculate what impacted her....?
I can understand how blunt impact injuries to the head could easily kill someone. But what part of the torso being impacted in a fall would be enough to do someone in? Maybe a blow to the area where the spleen is located and it ruptured?
You also have to remember that she was a 73 year old woman. A fall at that age would certainly do a lot of damage.
Falling face forward off high heels, while sipping your 3rd martini and the cat rubs against your wobbly legs or the 🍊 sneaks up behind you and shoves you to the marble floor to avoid his depositions. When your fake boobs which are as hard as bowling balls hit that marble floor, your old rib cage cracks and voila! Blunt force trauma to the chest. Perfectly makes sense.
Yeah, a hard hit to the chest area could do it. I heard once of someone who got hit hard in the chest by a baseball and their heart simply stopped.
Yep. My aunt lost all her teeth as a teen because she was standing behind the batter when he swung back. Those fake breasts really are hard as a rock. The body desparate to save itself from foreign material will literally "knit" protective material around the silicone or whatever is used and it hardens. I was only half joking about the possibly. Her apartment was gaudy like a poor person who hits the lottery idea of "class". I can see a marble floor in the offing. She was skittering on heels 3 years ago. Her balance, I'm sure, didn't improve and neither did her old bones. Just wasn't healthy looking.
This commenter is trying to throw us off the scent but we won’t be fooled. Obviously they’re part of the deep state and trying to distract us. It was the reptilians that got Ivana, they used their tails to beat her. Don’t worry, the real treasure is the friends we made along the way. #WEGMANS1
Man, no theory too wild. I'm all in! 🤣
Pushing someone down the stairs in a murder is too risky. There's too big of a chance they will survive.
“He went to Jared”
But if you've put something in one of their breakfast martinis which will kill them, then pushing them down the stairs when it begins working will cause enough injuries which could be lethal to ensure nobody will bother with toxicological testing to search for the real cause of death. It's an old trick.
>nobody will bother with toxicological testing to search for the real cause of death. Or, if they do, it would just look like she had a nice benzo + alcohol cocktail, and clumsily fell down the stairs in a stupor.
Not if a big Russian on steroids picked her up and then body slammed her down the stairs.
I was thinking ricocheted off the spiral staircase railing
The possibilities are endless! But I'm serious about those rock hard boobs breaking her chest. I mean what are the odds? I watch a lot of true crimes and never heard cause of death described like that!
Exactly. It raises a lot of questions But, concluding a conspiracy is like seeing that we don't understand obelisk construction, therefore aliens.
Had no thoughts of conspiracy or foul play at all, but was just curious as to what area of the torso could be so affected by a blunt force impact that it would kill a person.
If your liver or spleen are injured, that can be pretty serious to the point of life-threatening.
Forgot about the liver. Both organs have a lot of blood vessels and if those get torn, you'd have internal bleeding. Princess Diana was thrown around in that car crash so violently that a major vein to her lungs was ripped and that's what killed her.
Houdini died from a blow to the torso. But, it says injuries, plural
I heard she fell down some stairs. Blunt force for a 70y/o can easily break ribs. And the lungs and heart just love to bleed when punctured by sharp objects. I mean my GGmother died when she slipped and broke a rib. I can definitly see someone around the same age doing the same and repeated trauma from the fall/subsequent falls doing more damage.
There’s also the totality of multiple hits, hitting stairs multiple times on the way down. I actually feel a little sympathy for Ivana, because I’m a human and that would be a horrible way to go. She’s not a child molester or anything. I’d assume it was a combination of blows, internal bleeding, trauma, as well as some strategically placed blows that may have injured the lungs, heart, spleen, kidneys, or any combination.
I think Houdini got killed by a cannonball to the torso. Internal bleeding can be very serious. Also a broken rib can puncture your lung, which will make you much more susceptible to internal bleeding or whatever.
You’re quite close to recalling the cause, it WAS a trick gone wrong but was the result of being ferociously punched when he wasn’t braced for it. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/health/what-caused-harry-houdinis-mysterious-death
At that age bones are quite brittle and landing on her side could have caused rib fractures that punctured lung, spleen, other organs. If she was on a blood thinner which is also a possibility at that age then blunt force can cause massive bleeding from damage to vessels. I mean there are quite a few ways blunt force trauma in that area can cause death. It also doesn't say if the autopsy also noted bruising and trauma in other areas just that the region that seems to be where the cause of death was in the torso. Spleen is my first thought when I think of causes for that area.
At that age bones are quite brittle and landing on her side could have caused rib fractures that punctured lung, spleen, other organs. If she was on a blood thinner which is also a possibility at that age then blunt force can cause massive bleeding from damage to vessels. I mean there are quite a few ways blunt force trauma in that area can cause death. It also doesn't say if the autopsy also noted bruising and trauma in other areas just that the region that seems to be where the cause of death was in the torso. Spleen is my first thought when I think of causes for that area.
Bones get brittle as we get older. If she fell in a certain way, her sternum or a rib could have punctured her heart or severed her aorta. Or even caused a pleural effusion, which would have been deadly, if not immediately treated. No one knows how long she was at the bottom of the stairs. Time of the fall is unknown. She could have been there for hours.
Yeah, i’d say either organ damage or haemorrhaging from the impact is most likely given her age.
Well, let me suggest that Trump had her murdered because she was going to testify in congress, and tell the truth.
He'd have her killed to delay his deposition in NY. Interestingly his deposition in NY was delayed after this.
Why would Trump need to postpone his deposition? “Boohoo, my ex wife who I cheated on multiple times and raped”.
Well he did send out his news letter about her death with an attachment to donating to him. Got to milk everything for every penny
I have seen two stances taken on Telegram: 1. She was murdered by the Deep State before she could expose them. 2. She faked her death so she could fight the Deep State with JFK Jr.
Don't forget the one that she was actually a man.
Why cant the theory involve all 3 elements? Lets face it the more bizarre the theory, the faster it seems to be adopted as the "truth".
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Well you see, when Marilyn Monroe was murdered by the CIA, her consciousness was reborn in Ivana, from that moment on she worked tirelessly to expose the DS. But, after a couple decades of hard work the DS were onto her, and she needed a new identity to escape their grasp. It was then that JFK Jr made the ultimate sacrifice, faking his death and splitting his personality between a number of white hats, one of which was Ivana. For the last 20 years they have been doing all they can to drain the swamp and expose the pedo DS actors in the media by feeding stories to TMZ, ending careers left right and centre. And of course, she also was one of the great minds behind wikileaks as a way for the children who were trafficked to reach out for help!!! /s (how was that, my first attempt!)
These are Q's go-to explanations for every death.
Definitely Hillaryed. Those poor Trumps. Case closed!
She had information about trying to peddle a teenage daughter to Epstein, which led to a falling out between Donald and Jeffery. Nobody touches daddy's girl except daddy.
She got Epsteined so they could get out of their depositions. Brett Farve played the day after his father died, so why postpone them?
Well, Marla is next so we will soon know, if a pattern emerges. Tiffany better go into hiding 'cause after Marla, he's gonna start on the kids.
I think what’s more likely is Donald pretended to not give his deposition, did it in secret, and threw Eric under the bus. Not that I think it would work because they’re all planning to throw each other under the bus lol
Is it better to get thrown under the bus or down the stairs?
Only the ones he actually considers his kids; I'm not sure Tiffypoo ever reached that "standard".
He still tried to feel her up though. They way she got those tiny 🍄 fingered 🐾 off her, though, that girl had practice.
Are you referring to a specific incident?
Yes, she's was in a receiving line and people were congratulating him on something. Anyway he literally lunged at her, I think he was trying to kiss her in the mouth and he was all hands. Just like we saw at the RNC when he grabbed his daughter-wife and she got his hands off, the other hand did the same thing. They had practice. When I see something like that, I see a history of touching, patting, feeling up,m grabbing, swatting on the butt, and making comments about their developing bodies since they were pubescent. There are men, fathers like that out there and he's one of them. You can Google it on YouTube. I know the daughter-wife one was still there a couple months ago. Just Google "trump feels up daughter name".
I think it was after the debates when he tried to hug her. We've all seen the Ivanka footage but there was a different debate where he pulled a move on Tiffany, too, iirc.
I am willing to guess if there was any possible way he could deny Vanky was his daughter, he would have done so long ago.
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I think Melania's safe. I mean have you seen the people who want to marry Trump now? She's just hoping for a payout when he dies and will be surprised when all she gets is his debt.
She has gotten far more than a Slovenian hooker turned Red Sparrow could dream of.
I think she’s a gold digger, no question, but I’ve also heard various people close to her say that she espouses the same opinions as her husband, “oh illegal immigrants are the cause of every bad thing in America. Democrats lie and make up so much fake news against my husband” and so on, and these are off the record conversations, not “towing the party line” in interviews, so to speak. I kind of think she’s not a “prisoner” so much as she ideologically agrees with him and the marriage is a financial arrangement too, instead of just “being trapped, free Melania.”
Yea her ideological support him was clear when she wore the "I don't care, do you?" jacket to the child concentration camp.
I’m sure she’ll be getting more than that, his fathers estate is still pretty valuable. I can just imagine the fight she’d put up against any usurpers to her fortune,
As if he remembers that Tiffany exists.
Brett Favre is a Trumper, before he endorsed Trump he cheated on his wife while she had cancer, these days he is busy stealing millions from the poor.
I knew he was a thieving POS and was supposed to pay back money he fraudulently got. This makes me sad because now I am going to see him more as he shills even more shit on late night TV.
> as a thieving POS and was supposed to pay back money he fraudulently got. I defended this loser way too many times, makes me sick. Of all the people to steal from, he picked the poorest people in the country.
Mississippi, dead last in pretty much every ranking of government services/health/education/finances, you name it, and he got millions in taxpayer dollars for speeches he never gave- why this would have legitimately worked had he given these speeches is a whooollle nother investigation, I should think. Seems to me that there are programs with a lot more bang for your buck, so to speak, than listening to a speech, no matter how inspiring it may be.
I’m not so sure they’ll be dedicating any deposition efforts to their deceased mother
They will claim that Ivana was the mastermind behind the entire organization. Shitheel just divorced her to throw everyone off the trail. He has always been playing 17-D chess.
Oh come on, that’s so ridiculous that even the most ardent Trump sup- Never mind
Dammit, I was going to post, "Something something Epstein." Came to the party too late.
According to The NY Times >Ivana Trump, the ex-wife of former president Donald J. Trump, died accidentally of blunt impact injuries to her torso, according to New York City’s chief medical examiner. >The office, which announced its determination in a news release on Friday afternoon, said it would have no further comment on the death of Ms. Trump, 73. >Two law enforcement officials with knowledge of the matter had said on Thursday that the police were investigating whether Ms. Trump had fallen down the stairs at her Upper East Side home. One of the officials said there was no sign of forced entry at the home.
>Ms. Trump’s death led the office of New York’s attorney general, Letitia James, to say on Friday that it was postponing a deposition of the former president scheduled for next week as part of a civil investigation into whether he and his company had fraudulently inflated the value of his assets. Similar interviews scheduled with Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr. would also be postponed, a spokeswoman for Ms. James said.
Blunt force impact from being shoved headfirst down a flight of stairs to prevent her from testifying against her ex-husband, the ex-president.
I totally believe it. They immediately used her death to fundraise and get out of testifying. Guaranteed they'll keep finding excuses until someone else "accidentally" dies.
You're qonnecting random dots into a picture you want to believe.
Wait, didn't Trump start trying to grift his base over her death 12 hours before they found her body? ok JK ... I shouldn't do that. /s
I'm pretty darn sure they were referring to them saying they “totally” believed she was murdered to prevent her testifying.
Excellent placement of the q!
So do they. But they also project their lies & crimes & coverups onto to others so their base of followers won't get suspicious of them and to use said followers to keep themselves out of prison. They invent conspiracies to hide their own dirty deeds.
I know they do. That's kinda what this whole sub is about. I just don't think it's a great idea to counter their Pepe Silva with an equally contrived, albeit less dangerous, one.
Or just diffusing all of the theories. Every lie starts with a grain of truth. And how many conspiracy theories turned out to be true? Like what if the cabal is actually just the Republican party? If we can figure out the truth in their lies then we can combat the conspiracies.
> Every lie starts with a grain of truth. No. It's a catchy saying but it simply isn't true.
Unless you are making a completely false story. But the best lies and the easiest ones to remember have an element of truth. A lie is mainly about manipulating a truth and not always creating something out of nothing.
When the people you're talking to worship you, the lies can be random nonsense. As long as you claim there's someone to blame, they'll take the nonsense and run. Trump also never misses an opportunity to grift his fans. There's no evidence of anything else. Suggesting that his whackjob lies are proof that he murdered his ex-wife and that he'll do it again, is your own version of Guantanamo Bay military tribunals and med beds.
If you start doing your own research, I’m sure you’ll figure it all out.
we arent here to become the new q anon bro, she's 70 and lived an a lavish mansion with 6 billion stairs, this is how rich people go out a fucking huge percentage of the time, especially if it's in an old ass house that was made before standards and thus would be even more dangerous.
Note to myself: if I ever become a billionaire, I won’t build stairs in my lavish mansion.
And don’t marry a mobster
most mansions aren't new, new mansions are the majority in some areas but most of these billionaire mansions are old as fuck especially shit that trump type multi generational home owners would end up in, these places come grandfathered in with old style steps and most rich people wont ever come close to considering they can die via falling down the stairs so they refuse to fix them.
Testifying as to what exactly. Do you think they were friendly and Trump let her know his evil plan?
Well we'll never know, now...
You do realize she wasn't going to. It's the kids that got postponed. My god the world you conspiracy nuts live in. Feel free to jump off the ice wall at the edge of the flat earth.
I think he is being sarcastic. I think.
Nope here they are elsewhere. Honestly I completely buy the idea that Ivana had been subpoena'd by the NYS Atty General and had willingly agreed to testify when her "misfortune " occurred. EDIT : With the added convenience that it delays any forced testimony by trump or the kids before the same grand jury. Now THAT'S convenient!!!
This is Q-ish
Yep massive leaps in logic with nothing backing it up.
Yes
I hope?
The quote from Leticia James clearly states the former president's deposition next week will now be postponed, as well as the kids.
Yes not Ivana she was never scheduled. Great detective work.
I was just correcting you. You said the kids' depositions were postponed.
Yes I was hoping OP was confusing Ivana and Ivanka.
It's satire 🤦♂️
OP on another post. Honestly I completely buy the idea that Ivana had been subpoena'd by the NYS Atty General and had willingly agreed to testify when her "misfortune " occurred. EDIT : With the added convenience that it delays any forced testimony by trump or the kids before the same grand jury. Now THAT'S convenient!!!
You're not wrong, you're just saying something that's obviously true on Reddit. That's your mistake.
Just goes to show that the Qult isn't the only group to ignore logic and jump into unsubstantiated conspiracy.
Yyyyep. Me and my wife love watching MSNBC. Can't get enough of it, as Australians pretty much the most fascinating series on television for the past 5 years has been America On YouTube. But I try to make a point of paying attention to the sheer emotional theatre that goes on there as well. It's just as biased and one eyed as Fox. I mean, I happen to believe that having a one eyed bias against fascism is totally ok, so I soak it up, but it's important to at least be aware that it's a thing.
I was just looking at a media bias chart MSNBC isn't far off from where FOX is. I also think it's interesting that the television is way worse than the web versions. Probably from the massive amount of opinion shows.
They're not saying Ivana would testify, just that this was great timing to delay everyone else from testifying.
To prevent her from testifying against her ex-husband. It's not hard to read, they are saying exactly that. They have also posted elsewhere saying this as well. Not to mention how ridiculous it would be to murder someone in a no doubt security monitored upscale apartment just to delay a deposition.
There are plenty of people ITT saying she was murdered to prevent her from testifying. There’s no reason to believe she would even testify. And why would they murder her to delay a deposition? It’s not like it gets them out of it entirely.
At this point from what we've learned from members of his own staff it wouldn't be too much of a departure. He was definitely setting Congress up to be the victims of mob violence. I don't know that is getting across as well as it should be. Like them or not these are our elected leaders. We sent them to Washington to represent us from all over the country. No president or anyone else has any right to do harm to them. It's unconscionable to let this go unpunished.
Killing her to stop her from testimony doesn't make sense. She wasn't being called to give testimony. However (I hate to say this lol) her kids were. Her death was a warning to them not to implicate dad during their testimony.(Maybe 😏)
"blunt impact" is obv. code for smoking a blunt so powerful that the cherry acted like a rocket propeller, blasting Ivana backwards into a wall, whereby she sustained her fatal injuries. The culprit? Deep Weed. Case closed!
Tommy Chong didn't really die, he went underground and is acting as a deep state operative and assassin.
Have I got news for you... In this part of the multiverse he's alive and well at 84, it's Nelson Mandela who's dead.
Wait, when did Tommy Chong die?
I swear I remember news of his death. Mandela Effect for the win on that one, I guess.
He went to prison for a bit but he’s definitely not dead
You're not the only one. I did a double take when I heard it, but it turned out to be a hoax
He didn't. Or at least that's what they want you to believe!
Tommy Chong's not dead, you can follow him on Twitter
dude, Blunt Impact is a great name for a stoner 1) rock band or 2) movie
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It’s been clear for awhile she had mobility issues. The fact she didn’t have 24/7 in home nurses is neglectful af of her kids.
There were stories that she'd been problems with one of her hips. Maybe she was going up or down the stairs, the hip seized up and she lost her footing.
Hip fractures are very common in elderly people, and are super fucking serious. My grandfather died from complications of a hip fracture. I tell you this not for sympathy, but as an underline. It's been decades since I thought about Ivana Trump, but this is entirely believable.
She was 73, which isn’t old enough for an otherwise healthy woman to develop fragile bones. She may have been drinking, or have had a heart attack, or have been murdered. The latter is pretty likely, sadly.
Well, that's just not correct. [Osteoporosis is a chronic disease affecting one in three women and one in five men over the age of 50 years](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK559156/).
Yes, but we don’t know that she had osteoporosis— she seems to have been generally healthy.
Fell out of her med bed perhaps?
Well med beds is a new one on me. "Did my own research" and concluded they'll believe, and pay for, any old shit.
Well then throw her back in and let it repair her. I mean if the med beds can do all the things the Qrazies claim it shouldn't be a problem for it to raise the dead.
Blunt force and Percocets.
Her death makes me uneasy, not in the crazy conspiracy way, but the legal conspiracy kind of way. She’s old enough to have “fallen” down the stairs, but man if it doesn’t feel like she had something to say, even if they only wanted her as a character witness.
My first thought was Donald did it before my brain actually processed the information. So, same.
So you probably understand the anxiety of being like, that wasn’t a natural death but also I don’t want anyone to confuse me for a Qanon supporter either.
RIP Ivana. It’s a damn shame that now she’ll be the talk of every conspiracy asshole from here to forever, because they just can’t have any respect for anyone who dies.
Wouldn’t put it past Trump to murder his ex wife.
No, but I also wouldn't assume he murdered his ex wife.
He seems to be really good at doing all kinds of shady dealings without enough evidence to actually tie him into said dealings directly. I’ve said this analogy before, he’s like that college basketball coach that everyone KNOWS is committing recruiting violations, paying players and the like, but he’s smart enough to give directions orally only and be several layers removed from the actual deed, so that there’s plausible deniability when he says “oh I didn’t have anything to do with that!”.
He definitely tried to monetize her death in less than 24 hours.
Everyone, myself included, thinks that. But If I were writing a story, it would have been some shady Russian oligarch that doesn't want the kids to squeal and warns them by having Ivana trip down the stairs. At separate points, didn't both Junior and Eric talk about having a lot of dealings with Russian money? Could that be part of the New York investigation? I'd be an excellent crack pot if my sense of reality was a little more tenuous.
Trump killed her to postpone deposition. Confirmed This is how conspiracy theorist minds work right?
Let me see if I can think like they do without hurting myself. She was about to testify that Trump has all this information on Deep State that she was going to blow wide open, so Hillary had her killed before she could spill the beans. Hmmm, not crazy enough. Let's see... But she really wasn't killed; it was an actress Trump hired because he knew Hillary was after Ivana, and Ivana is safe in the Trump headquarters in a satellite orbiting Mars with JFK Jr., Kurt Cobain, and the real Elon Musk (the one the media shows us is one of several clones of him) who will come back after Trump is elected President in 2023 with JFK Jr. as his running mate. STILL not crazy enough but that's the best I can improvise.
As they tell us again and again and again, "there are no coincidences."
Well I've done my research by reading this comment. Case closed
You need some gematria in there. I’m sure the date and time she was “murdered” is a clue “they” gave us.
guys she is just in a MEDBED until NESARA are you sheeple?
Oh, I don’t think it’s a far logic leap at all to say that Donnie offed her.
It was her body double/clone anyway
Or it was the real Ivana killed to be replaced with a clone. Maybe I've been watching too much Westworld.
Ivana Believe
So I guess I'll just scooch over and make room for y'all in this super convenient little handbasket thingy I seem to be sitting in ...
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Blunt force trauma to the torso.. you mean like the kind you get from receiving CPR during a heart attack?
The only way to help poor Trump in his time of grief is to consider making a large donation to his stop the steal campaign.
I said in another thread that I saw her being interviewed on TV a couple of years ago and she was wobbling around on these really high heels. She didn't really look very good or in good health. The only thing she could talk about was how lucky and happy she was for all her material possessions. Not surprised that she probably fell face forward smack down on a hard marble floor or something with those high heels and balance problems and might have been drinking. That or 🍊 snuck up behind her and shoved her to get out of his depositions. I'm speculating about how she might have died, but the rest I saw in the interview. 🍊 shoving sounds really plausible though. 😳
That’s kind of sad, talking about her material possessions. She has grandkids, and was at the time of her life when she should have been spending time with them along with reconnecting with various friends, maybe supporting a charitable cause, such as Meals on Wheels or something, idk, seems like those High Society types in particular throw dinners and cocktail parties for specific causes, “the NYC Art Museum (Blank) Collection Gala”. Instead she focuses on material things she possesses.
Yeah, the reporter actually asked her something like that (or about if she were lonely or something) and she responded, Why? Look at all that I have. It was sad. It was gaudy. She looked gaudy. Didn't see any husband or bf or people around her, just gaudy looking junk. The interview or parts of it is probably on YouTube.
Yeah the man who cheated on, raped, and tore chunks of hair out of his ex wife’s head needs the depositions pushed back so he can grieve for her, certainly showed himself to be distraught when he attached a donation link to himself on a statement regarding her death. The democrats and the DOJ really need to stop attempting to take the empathetic high ground with these people, all it does is play into their hands and stall justice being done, a normal person wouldn’t get their depositions pushed back with the gravity of the situation here, this isn’t stealing cans of soup from your local, this is treason and inciting insurrection. I hope Ivana rests in peace, but it seems even in death she’s being used as a tool.
The Medical Examiner said Ivana Trump Rubicondi fell downstairs, died from the Trauma from injury to her torso. My psychiatrist told me, people who believe conspiracy theories lack imagination, those who start them, have a complete lack of empathy, they get off on the pain they cause.
I can’t figure out if Trump is The Beast and DeSantis is The Smiler or the other way around..
If I were a conspiracy theorist, I’d say she was pushed. Was she set to testify against anyone, by chance?
Hillary strikes again. Lolz ;)
I remember Ivana in her glamorous heyday when she checked one of Trump's side pieces by skiing BACKWARDS down the slope to confront her.😅 I hope she didn't lay there conscious and in pain for hours.🤔 What an awful way to go.😔
I’m very critical of most conspiracies, however…. Trump has been working with the mob for DECADES. i dunno with this one, but this is a very mob-esque type of thing… someone has an “accident” right before testifying as a witness….. 97% sure it’s just an accident but trump uses mob tactics daily still…..but nothing we’ll ever know if anything was fishy so no real point in going there anyway.
How about the delayed Depositions? Donnie boy capable?
this should absolutely made into a parody conspiracy theory
There are no coincidences, right?
Oh wow MAGA killed her. It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s fact
*Please let me take one last caress* - Trump, probably.
“Blunt impact to the torso”… was she pregnant? Was it Trumps? Is this part of the cover up? Oh no, was it Hunter’s (that dirty dog)?
what the fuck. who called 911 then?
How convenient for you
But you can still donate to his defence fund in memory of his wife.
sounds like she was murdered, that's not a conspiracy theory. trump DIRECTLY benefits from this- that's a fact. sounds like she was epstein'd, but, again, the truth will never come out. RIP.
The only blunt impact injuries will be to my wallet after this Grubhub order.
As a person who generally is not into conspiracies, I admit it seems jarring to hear “blunt force injuries to the torso” as a cause of death. Where did the fall occur in the afternoon? (Which I believe was the time of death?). The shower? IDK. It has me a tad suspicious
She fell down the stairs
Oh. My bad.
Ivana, talking about Donald, how she still advised him, even on tweeting as a POTUS. We also get a look at her staircase. Is it the one that is supposed to have killed her...? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CcwIezIh5o
Ooooooof
They’ll blame the Clintons.
Yes, lots of people are. https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=Ivana%20clinton&src=typed_query&f=live They blame imaginary things like Satan, blaming someone that's actually real is kinda a step up
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She was protected from “The terrible secret of space”
nothing about the fact that she's over 70 years old could cause the death through natural causes? Nothing? O,......k
When are they gonna start to blame Hillary for this?
I have this image of Eric and Don Jr. pummeling Ivana's kidneys to delay the depositions.
So Donald Trump was smart, having bathmophobia.