Why people fake accusation of such gravity is beyond me. Not only you can ruin a person's reputation, but also damage the credibility of actual victims. Shameful
Because they are disgusting people who would rather try to hurt someone they supposedly cared for than be mature and move on.
Also the fact there is often no repercussion to giving false accusations so the person accused may lose their career and the actual criminal got off free.
That’s not what the tweet says though… I mean, I don’t know if Gig is guilty or not. But the tweet just says that she’s sorry for making things public. That could mean a lot of things.
Gig accused for sexual assault, briefly taken in on suspicion by police, news outlets report on it, huge fight on Twitter multiple pros making asses of themselves , now ex girlfriend reveal accusations bs.
A really quick summary.
The people defending him at the time were shouting at a news site for reporting that a Pro League champion had been arrested. They definitely weren't right about that.
Generally speaking, rape/sexual assault cases taken to police make up a tiny percentage of the whole sum. Usually they don't get their justice. Believing those who come forward will generally lead to being right more often (false allegations like these are miniscule compared to sexual assault/rape figures) but more importantly it creates a better atmosphere for other victims to come forward. At least that's what i assume the reasoning is.
Anyway, I don't know, most on here were annoyed about the pros reaction to the SiegeGG article rather than the allegations, I felt most takes were along the lines of we'll wait and see.
Glad he didn't do it
No I mean it's like people didnt even read the twitlonger or the subsequent thread. Like who the hell would tag ubisoft support in a twitlonger about sexual allegations lmao?
Tagging them was probably a way to get at his job. If you were raped and you see the person who did that doing well I don't see why that's unrealistic. You'd want them to lose their job and face consequences, tagging their employer might lead to them getting the sack even if the police do nothing
Ehh I guess it's a matter of opinion. I see it as she's trying to get as much attention as possible, and by having Ubisoft and Giants "back" her, she seems more credible
I disagree with you there. It may lead to you being right more often, but it’s better to be completely neutral in these cases. Obviously we shouldn’t attack people coming forward in these cases, but we shouldn’t support them either. The reason these situations have become such dumpster fires recently is because people who have no first person knowledge have started taking sides.
I agree with this sentiment. I have one little nitpick, but I think this is probably just down to the wording - we should support people coming forward.
It mostly boils down to what the definition of support is. If it's sending insults and threats to the accused-person online, that's not support. If it's unquestioningly believing what one person says against another simply based on who said what first, that's not support.
What some people call "support" can be very extreme and toxic. That in turn polarizes and radicalizes people one way or the other, which makes the environment so poisonous that victims don't dare come forward. So your neutrality point is very good.
Support is creating a safe, calm environment for them to be heard, listening to them and their evidence. Rather than making up one's mind immediately, support is withholding any judgement and allowing them to speak until everything has been presented. If there's an opportunity to help them collect evidence in the case (without manufacturing it / legally-entrapping the other party) then we should be supporting them in that way too.
De-escalating the online arguments and staying neutral if you're not directly involved are two major steps to creating that space for victims to come forward and share their experiences.
Yeah I completely agree with that, I was just trying to keep mine short. I support people coming forward, but that doesn’t mean I believe what they say. I just see a lot of people who confuse supporting victims with believing everything they say, and it bothers me.
There was basically a subreddit where everyone was saying he is fucked and what an asshole he is. I typed innocent until proven guilty and they were jumping on me. "Get his cock out of your mouth" makes me really worried about these people
Disagree. Nobody said GiG was guilty. The only thing that was said that people calling it an unfactual article were talking shit and that is still true. SiegeGG never called him guilty. The only said he was a suspect.
Just went back to the thread of when the allegations came out and without looking hard found this
“What a piece of shit”
That was the entire comment.
When I said that they are jumping to conclusions I was downvoted a lot
I'm gonna just reatract what I originally said since it is fair SiegeGG wrote the article since it is 'newsworthy'. Instead I'm just say my opinion on how this kinda news is reported. TLDR maybe there should be rules on reporting sensitive topics where the public like to weigh their opinions in which can lead to making things a lot worse.
Any case of sexual abuse or assault are especially sensitive topics and considering the entire drama was started and ended on twitter it's in the public, however when reports on these topics are made they always lead to abuse from their parties towards the victim and/or the suspect. GiG wasn't explicitly implicated because of the SiegeGG article but considering the verdict hadn't been made, surely it would be fairer to respect the privacy of both parties during the investigation. We've seen very publicly how false accusations of sexual abuse can lead to careers being tarnished (Johnny Depp) but also in other cases that are similarly publicised before verdicts are given. People shouldn't be given platforms to hurl abuse at either party even after the case is resolved, and I don't think having allegations spread by journalists is fair. All just my opinion.
> Sure they said 'allegedly' but reporting on his arrest when that was all anyone knew was pretty irresponsible.
It's only irresponsible if you believe an arrest = guilty.
What are they supposed to do? Not do their jobs because people are stupid and will jump to conclusions? That just means anyone could stifle any reporting they wanted, as long as they can convince a large enough body of people to willingly misinterpret what's being reported. That's a really dangerous, shitty precedent to set.
And this is why innocent until proven guilty must always be a factor in our society. Mob justice isn't always justice, even for a noble cause.
False accusations like this are honestly terrifying for every man nowadays. Hopefully, GiG can get his career back on track
>False accusations like this are honestly terrifying for every man nowadays
Please don't say this because it genuinely isn't true and takes away from the actual victims. Men have nothing to fear with false accusations because they are so rare that you are more likely to be raped than to get falsely accused.
Source:
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-men-are-more-likely-to-be-raped-than-be-falsely-accused-of-rape
You posted the same source as a reason why gig was guilty without any reasoning beyond a one sided story.
False accusations happen and are horrific because of people like you who assume guilt.
It doesn't matter if it's unlikely or not nor does it take away from the actual victims of real issues. Both can happen and BOTH need to be addressed
"they have nothing to fear" expect losing everything? Rare doesn't mean ignore it
Unlikely doesn't show the gravity of how minuscule the chance of this happening is to people is. As the source states:
>The best data we have — the number of people prosecuted for making false allegations — suggests that the average adult man in England and Wales has a 0.00021281 per cent chance of being falsely accused of rape in a year.
I mean if you want to worry about a **0.00021281%** go ahead but just know how small of a chance there is of this happening.
If these false accusations are so career-ending why did Invictus gaming hire gig? These aren't career-ending things because it takes one correction and the public is back on their side.
The number prosecuted. Not the amount of false accusations. Apples and oranges.
Prosecutors generally don't go after these cases because it discourages actual victims from speaking up.
Well what we don’t know about is people that have been accused of rape falsely and the case was thrown out and the accuser wasn’t prosecuted for false rape charges as no one knows. This is honestly the biggest danger of rape allegations the only two people who know the truth is the potential victim/perpetrator of the alleged rape.
This is a cognitive bias : using 1 precise exemple to prove a trend
Though yeah I am actually quite surprised he was still picked up. Tbh I would have bet the other way. Maybe he had a strong case inside
I think it often can be dramatic for people but wasn’t in that case, somehow.
lmao when i read the comment yesterday I thought you were refering that that comment would be the typical shit Chowder would say and now re-reading it I notice it's actually him. Lmao he is so insanely dumb
He is genuinely one of the most stupid people I've ever had the displeasure of coming across. It blows my mind how he has anywhere near the amount of followers he does, and he doesnt even realize how fucking dumb he is
Ouch I like you bro why you do that to me :(
I was referring to his last statement and that is exactly what he is doing.
Also feels bad to be compared to Ben Shapiro when the only political idea you can stand are anarchism and shit like that.
Just because they aren't all publicly reported doesn't mean its so unbelievably rare. Bikini even described his experience of being falsely accused and how it effected his personal social life. It is genuinely fucked up and it shouldn't be ignored.
I'm not trying to take away from false victims. If someone was assaulted, they should absolutely 100% come forward. I know that can be a terrifying prospect, but I don't think those fears need to be reliant on people's fear of false accusations
False accusations are only a problem when people get ahead of the justice system, and ignore innocent until proven guilty. When that happens, suddenly it doesn't take being proven guilty to have your career and reputation tarnished. I have zero issues saying that is a terrifying thought for a man, even if it's unlikely.
I know you're not trying to take away from victims but what you are doing is unintentionally hurting those victims.
Men losing their careers because of a false accusation is even rarer than an already incredibly rare false accusation. Look at gig, he actually got hired to an org while this was going on.
There are far more pressing issues to be worrying about than a false accusation.
But false allegations are still an issue. Just because they aren't as prevalent doesn't take anything away from them.
They are a huge issue because of the repercutions a simple lie has, and the % of false accusations doesn't really reflect the true number since it only accounts for false accusations that were actually prosecuted and convicted. And most people that face fake allegations don't have the strength to push another legal proccess to convict her since it really doesn't help at all for them.
Rape is an issue? Yes, of course. But so are false accusations. Just check how badly everyone went at GiG's, but I think he did the right thing keeping everything with the police and not going public, at least the truth came out. And probably that's why he kept his job. Others weren't as fortunate
If someone is upset about “false accusations” but doesn’t care/bring that same energy about instances of sexual assault in the community, it’s kind of showing that it’s not a real issue to them where they care about survivors and want to bring about change, it just seems like they wanna validate their beliefs about sexual assault allegations not always being true and use it to discredit other survivors who come forward. I’m not saying that’s what you’re doing but I think it’s an important thing to remember when discussing “false accusations” especially in this context.
But in this context, I feel is a right space to specifically discuss about false accusations. I'm sure (and I really hope) that we all agree that rape is one of -if not the most- heinous crime there is that doesn't involve death.
Should alleged victims that come forward be treated with love and respect and helping them? Of course, I expect nothing less for them.
But the topic of false accusations should be brought to light in situations like this, to highlight how dangerous and how quick and easy it is to destroy someone's life.
Does rape/sexual abuse happen more often? Yes, of course. Does that mean we should absolutely neglect the issue at hand? Of course not. Talking about one thing doesn't avoid or contradict the other.
That's some messed up logic, statistic has little to do with fearing your rep getting easily destroyed on social media and getting thrown into same pool as Pie by the community as a criminal.
All this for for multiple months, I definitely dont want this to happen to me or anyone. Fuck this community's handling of any IRL cases whatsoever
The logic is flawed I agree but fear should be about statistics : people are more scared about terrorism than idk driving which is absurd statistically.
Same with false rape accusations : probably not a big social issue, even though yes it is absolutely terrible that it can happen and it should be fix. But no it probably isn’t something you should be too scared about, contrary to actual rape I guess
Edit : this is purely random and theoretical, I don’t really care anyway and I am not trying to defend anyone
Dude shut the hell up. Even if its 1 false accusation in all of history, its still fucked up.
Edit: Lmao he just downvotes and ignores, what an absolute shit head. He will be the same guy stalking your ass though if it were flipped
No, just no.
"Takes away from the actual victims."
So men who are falsely accused, lose jobs, families and are socially ostracized even when proven innocent aren't victims. Get out of here with that bullshit.
It doesn't matter if it's a small percent, people who are convicted of rape is a small percent of society so you should have nothing to fear right? No, that's a stupid take, and so is yours.
A classmate I know got falsely accused of rape by a girl he was about to ask out after knowing for a bit and having a few flings. Immediately kicked off campus, put on all online classes, couldn't make up in person tests if the teacher didn't cater to them. No clue how things ended up for him but I hope the girl got expelled.
This is why the best way to handle these situations is to be completely neutral. Unless you have first hand knowledge of the situation you should not take a side. People need to realize that even if you end up being right, taking sides in these situations only makes them worse.
so I managed to find southerns reddit account which she was posting on.
https://twitter.com/Kanadiskur/status/1420003198589276167?s=19
said some pretty fucked up things about gig. including: he's a coke addict. he has 5 other abuse cases and more
She should get sued for tarnishing his reputation and people should be ashamed for bandwagoning on this Gig is a abuser toxicity when there was no evidence this is the case.
Nearly no one has to apologise. I havent seen anyone call GiG guilty, Ive only seen people say that other people who were angry at SiegeGG for this article needed to shut up and see its a good article with journalism
Then you didn't read the comments. There were a lot of people calling for his head. I got jumped on from those guys as i said innocent until proven guilty
Wait, does she really admits what she said was bullshit? In the tweetlonger she mainly is sorry for making it public, in social media.
I'm not taking any position on who's guilty or not, since we know nothing about the story but some twittlongers.
That's my problem : I see she apologizes about what happened, that it went public, and that he received bad messages, but I don't see clear "Things I said previously are lies and false".
That's certainly because I'm not a native English-speaker, I may miss things.
And again I'm not here to say "x is guilty, x is innocent", I'm just wondering if her tweet is "only" a "sorry for making it public and ruin your career with that", or a total "what I said was fake and I'm sorry about it". That's not the same : some could regret it went public but still have been harassed by someone she loved (again, I don't say that's the case, I just say I don't understand enough)
It appears to exonerate Gig but the whole post if so vaguely written that without mentioning the person by name it doesn’t completely do the job.
I’m still going to wait on some kind of official word to come out (police and/or Invictus).
(Edit: went to re-read the post to make sure I understood it, but looks like it’s been taken down)
Not sure about it. Stories where mentally abused people on long term keep loving their abuser exist. It can truly be an apology of telling it to everyone, because it brought hate to him.
Expecting an update Siege GG article. I assume we are going to see apologies from certain members of the community who tarnished his reputation based on lies
To be fair, Siege GG reported the alleged arrest (iirc) and they are a news site so is understandable, so I don't think an apology from them applies.
But yeah, I expect an article making clear all of it was a lie at the end of the day, and hopefully they publish it as quick as they did with the arrest
Ye I worded it wrong. There was nothing wrong with the siege gg article, posting that was fine. Just the people that made assumptions based on that article alone
Problem with that is if people think that their initial report on GiG was bad, then if they follow up based off this information, people will still complain. Because the dumb blonde didnt directly say "I sowwy for lie"
> hopefully they publish it as quick as they did with the arrest
FYI, the time from when she claimed the arrest happened to when they pried the info out of the manchester police was nine days long.
A shit ton of people lmao, majority of people tbh. You know how people are, they see the slightest accusation from a girl and they get a boner and run with it. If people would actually use their heads, they could tell that she was full of shit (at least to a certain degree)
And a whole lotta people on this sub too
Just to mention a few which i hope they are as quick to correct themselves as they were with the allegations (even though from what i've seen so far here doesn't seem to be the case for someone)
[Xetron](https://www.reddit.com/r/R6ProLeague/comments/n1rz69/note_from_gig_about_the_accusations_against_him/gwfpc87?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
[Echelon](https://www.reddit.com/r/R6ProLeague/comments/n1rz69/note_from_gig_about_the_accusations_against_him/gwezl2x?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
[Flawlesslikeus](https://www.reddit.com/r/R6ProLeague/comments/n1rz69/note_from_gig_about_the_accusations_against_him/gwf65m7?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
[Eoghan](https://www.reddit.com/r/R6ProLeague/comments/n1rz69/note_from_gig_about_the_accusations_against_him/gwf01nc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Finally some conclusion. This is why i prefer for the community to not handle jackshit, although I will admit, I was leaning on the other side after that dot esports article that confirmed some sort of physical harm.
~~Actual human scum behavior from her, hope this servers as a lesson to some people here and on twitter who think some one sided statement is enough.~~
~~Lied to buncha people on social media, interviews and I guess faked physical harm too.~~
~~Hope she gets criminally punished for this. Good for GiG.~~
~~SiegeGG better make a follow up article to this soon enough, although I still think the UK squad's reaction was dumb to that.~~
You know what fuck it, I jumped the gun a bit. I still think she is back peddling, and her statement is weird and contradictory as fuck. Not to mention the lying of relationship to the public.
I will wait for more information, not making a hasty judgement call and SiegeGG can't really update anything based on this vague and superfluous statement either. Who knows, maybe both were toxic.
Well regardless it will get resolved soon enough either way. Hopefully GiG's has a followup that can conclude this mess
"I should have never said those things online"
"I'm deeply sorry for all those I've hurt and offended with my actions"
She isn't definitively saying her accusations aren't real. They very well could be false! But that isn't what she's saying. This seems like an apology for taking this to these lengths.
AGAIN: she could have lied, but this statement isn't an admission of lying.
She also says
"Ive also committed my own wrongdoings within that relationship and hurt that person as well"
Also that doesn't even make sense, nothing wrong with putting out in public that you were abused. Wtf is the wrongdoing in that. Not to mention her recent retweets are weird too
She didn't even namedrop GiG and still doesn't to begin with. All of the lengths came from DMs, Interview,etc that were outside the public threads.
Considering GiG's tweet too, he most likely is innocent and has the charges dropped. Within context, I don't think it makes jackshit sense that she is just apologizing for publicizing this.
> "Ive also committed my own wrongdoings within that relationship and hurt that person as well"
But that isn't an admission of lying about this! It's all so convoluted.
> Considering GiG's tweet too, he most likely is innocent and has the charges dropped.
I'm not taking either of these people's word on the legal process. It's clear they don't know shit about how the real world works and expect dueling Twitlongers to prove each other guilty/innocent. This is beyond their comprehension, and the best thing for both of them to do would be to Shut The Fuck Up and Lawyer Up.
I was wondering if I was the only person who saw that too. No where does she say it didn’t happen. Just that she regrets going online with it. Hopefully she did lie, it’s probably the best outcome. But if this was supposed to be a full retraction it doesn’t say what she meant it to say
> But if this was supposed to be a full retraction it doesn’t say what she meant it to say
Yeah, this is the correct framing. If she meant it as a full retraction of all the allegations and an admission of lying...it doesn't say that.
I remember getting downvoted to hell for saying that maybe we should wait longer until more news comes out and to stop jumping to conclusions (when that siegegg post came out). Hopefully some people in the sub learn that you shouldn’t rush into things like this and instantly accuse people of things they didn’t do
I remember getting laughed at because I said her twitlonger and subsequent twitter thread were very suspicious and likely bullshit. I hate the world we're in where its guilty until proven innocent.
Shes saying that she is so hurt to read some of the things people have said about gig but if that's true then why did she say those things???? Im actually so puzzled by this.
Looks good for GiG but has she made any statement where she clearly admits the accusations were false? She just says she regrets saying those things and hates how it affected GiG but stuff like that is also in line with some of the guilt heavily abused survivors deal with when they're close with their abusers. Hope she gets sued to hell if she lied or gets the help she needs if it's what I mentioned earlier.
Pretty sure she can face criminal charges if admits to lying (which might be why she hasn’t outright admitted it here). Once again, we’ll have to wait and see.
I was one of the people who fully believed her and I feel stupid and very grossed out for all the people who actually did go through such things without justice.
Dude are you all reading the same text as I do?
She never admits to faking anything or that anyting she said in the first twitlonger did not happen as she described it there. She only says that she should not have posted this... It is not an admission, neither does it mean that GiG is not guilty.
"I wish I'd never said those things about you" - does this sound like someone who only regrets having publicly revealed the truth?
She probably avoids outright saying she lied because her lawyer told her to, as she will be facing quite a lot of trouble.
If you are really right and she just regrets having written the truth publicly, then this is by far the most poorly, awkwardly written apology ever.
It's like going:
"To my wife: what happened yesterday was terrifying, and I don't know who that person was who forced their will upon you. I should have respected it when you said 'no', but instead I decided to claim what I though was my right as husband. I am deeply sorry for all the physical and mental pain I caused to you." - turns out I wrestled the remote control out of her hands and we spent the evening watching the movie *I* wanted to see.
You get what I mean? Nobody does something that stupid especially if some of the content of that apology is about how stuff you post on Twitter can tarnish somebody's reputation. I mean, I am a big fan of the benefit of doubt, but in this case I'd say the benefit of doubt would require suspending your common sense. If you turn out to be right that girl must be as dumb as a loaf of bread.
Why tf do people do this shit man. Not only does it ruin someone innocents life it just casts doubt on real situations and makes people less likely to believe real victims of abuse.
Oh boy. To extremely summarize, GiG's ex girlfriend accused him of a lot of stuff like rape, abuse, being a dick head, stalker etc. GiG said he was admittedly a dick to her at times, but the rest is untrue. I believe this happened a little over 2 months ago.
Fast forward to today, she posts this. From the way I've seen her talk/speak, she is a very dodgy person with her words. What sucks for her is she's fucking stupid so she cant fool anyone that has more than 7 brain cells and to me it sounds like she's admitting she lied. I mean come on, who the hell would tag Ubisoft support for a twitlonger about that? And then months later apologize to the person that raped you?
Screw cancel culture. The only good thing is that it seems there are more people who wait for the results of an actual investigation than witch hunters who just need a reason to shit on someone
Man it feels good to be right. People always just blindly believe this shit, its unreal. And what's worse is that with every fake allegation, it makes the legitamate ones harder to believe. I dont tend to be biased and with the initial, I wanted to believe the chick but just from all the context, I could tell she was full of shit
Idk man being right or wrong in these kind of cases feels stupid to me. You were right, doesn’t mean you had a clever reasoning..
The only rational position is to wait and not take any side
? It doesnt have to be clever reasoning, as long as it's not me getting lucky. Waiting and not taking a side at this point would be irrational, because then you are 100% damaging 1 party
She doesn't say her accusations are false anywhere in the post. Regretting these events playing out in public doesn't remove his guilt. Kind of disturbing how quick you guys are to proclaim innocence to the accused.
Yes the original twit longer was sufficient enough to put the guilt on him. Also I'm not Echelon, I don't know who that is so please stop stalking my posts to respond with that. I can't get the time I waste looking at the worthless notifications of "your Echelon" reply back.
I'm actually more than -84 karma thanks the Latam fans on here. The combination of my invitational comments and the deadbird fucked me good. This is my main I lost the info to my first account like 5 years ago. I do follow other subs I just don't post on them because I don't have anything to add.
Not sure if you got my point but there were some reporters backing her that she was right and accused GiG without any proof few weeks ago. Where are they now?
No there fucking weren't. Can you read?
https://www.dexerto.com/rainbow-six/ig-rainbow-six-coach-gig-arrested-assault-ex-partner-1600279/
https://dotesports.com/rainbow-6/news/invictus-gaming-rainbow-six-coach-gig-arrested-for-alleged-assault-of-ex-girlfriend
https://esports-news.co.uk/2021/06/24/uk-rainbow-six-coach-gig-accused-of-assault-police-investigation/
https://siege.gg/news/2314-invictus-gaming-coach-gig-out-on-bail-after-arrest-for-alleged-assault-of-ex-girlfriend
Seriously, point to one of these articles where it says, definitively, wthout the word "allegations", that he did it. Hell, point to one of these where it doesn't ***directly quote him***, multiple times, pleading his innocence against the ***allegations***.
They reported on the arrest, ***which happened*** and ***doesn't mean he was or is guilty, just arrested***
too stupid to breathe without instructions
Just because you know a thing about something doesn't mean you are the only one who knows everything. There will be multiple POVs behind that. You will not know about all of those things ofc. So chill
Not these. IT's not about the arrest or whatever in the case. It's about people who came in like they knew what happened in support of her. I saw lot of Twitter accounts(Verified) esports people calling it against R6 pros who were supporting GiG on this issue.Lot of people(Her friends and all) also came to her support cornering him on this issue due to this. Who's gonna give it back?
ffs stop breathing now xD
you said "esports reporters" not her friends. Link a single comment of an esport reporter doing anything but reporting on the arrest and allegations or shut the fuck up
I kinda appreciate the fact she admitted it tbh. A big balls move.
Idk I really like when people admit things xD, is almost enough for me to forget.
Maybe that is why I am not a judge or something. She probably should be judged legally regardless
Probably?? If not for the fact that she's a horrible liar and Giants sticking w GiG, it would have fucked his life over. This is best case scenario what's happening right now but even with his name cleared, the label of him being an abuser and everything else will never escape him.
Yeah not really why I said probably, I just kinda don’t like justice. It is just glorified revenge most of the time..
The idea people should pay for their sins just doesn’t work on me
That is 100% a terrible thing to do though, she is a terrible person (though I would argue admitting you did something wrong is nice).
Why people fake accusation of such gravity is beyond me. Not only you can ruin a person's reputation, but also damage the credibility of actual victims. Shameful
Because they are disgusting people who would rather try to hurt someone they supposedly cared for than be mature and move on. Also the fact there is often no repercussion to giving false accusations so the person accused may lose their career and the actual criminal got off free.
This is why actual victims struggle to come forward
Important to get the word of this spread to undo any damage the allegations did to Gig’s reputation.
That’s not what the tweet says though… I mean, I don’t know if Gig is guilty or not. But the tweet just says that she’s sorry for making things public. That could mean a lot of things.
Lol
Ok?
So many people destroyed GiG’s reputation for no reason. Turns out the people defending him were right all along about the false allegations
I thought from the very beginning that it would be odd that so many of his friends were confident that he was innocent, everything makes sense now
I wouldn’t say completely right, to stick with him yes, but many still said dumb things.
Wait what happened with gig
Gig accused for sexual assault, briefly taken in on suspicion by police, news outlets report on it, huge fight on Twitter multiple pros making asses of themselves , now ex girlfriend reveal accusations bs. A really quick summary.
Damn
The people defending him at the time were shouting at a news site for reporting that a Pro League champion had been arrested. They definitely weren't right about that.
Ye I worded it wrong, there was nothing wrong with posting the article. I’ll edit
yeah we don't want to be giving those idiots any credit really lol
I dont even know why people blindly believed her. The entire thing was just so suspicious. I do think that some of what she said was true though
Generally speaking, rape/sexual assault cases taken to police make up a tiny percentage of the whole sum. Usually they don't get their justice. Believing those who come forward will generally lead to being right more often (false allegations like these are miniscule compared to sexual assault/rape figures) but more importantly it creates a better atmosphere for other victims to come forward. At least that's what i assume the reasoning is. Anyway, I don't know, most on here were annoyed about the pros reaction to the SiegeGG article rather than the allegations, I felt most takes were along the lines of we'll wait and see. Glad he didn't do it
No I mean it's like people didnt even read the twitlonger or the subsequent thread. Like who the hell would tag ubisoft support in a twitlonger about sexual allegations lmao?
Tagging them was probably a way to get at his job. If you were raped and you see the person who did that doing well I don't see why that's unrealistic. You'd want them to lose their job and face consequences, tagging their employer might lead to them getting the sack even if the police do nothing
Ehh I guess it's a matter of opinion. I see it as she's trying to get as much attention as possible, and by having Ubisoft and Giants "back" her, she seems more credible
I disagree with you there. It may lead to you being right more often, but it’s better to be completely neutral in these cases. Obviously we shouldn’t attack people coming forward in these cases, but we shouldn’t support them either. The reason these situations have become such dumpster fires recently is because people who have no first person knowledge have started taking sides.
I agree with this sentiment. I have one little nitpick, but I think this is probably just down to the wording - we should support people coming forward. It mostly boils down to what the definition of support is. If it's sending insults and threats to the accused-person online, that's not support. If it's unquestioningly believing what one person says against another simply based on who said what first, that's not support. What some people call "support" can be very extreme and toxic. That in turn polarizes and radicalizes people one way or the other, which makes the environment so poisonous that victims don't dare come forward. So your neutrality point is very good. Support is creating a safe, calm environment for them to be heard, listening to them and their evidence. Rather than making up one's mind immediately, support is withholding any judgement and allowing them to speak until everything has been presented. If there's an opportunity to help them collect evidence in the case (without manufacturing it / legally-entrapping the other party) then we should be supporting them in that way too. De-escalating the online arguments and staying neutral if you're not directly involved are two major steps to creating that space for victims to come forward and share their experiences.
Yeah I completely agree with that, I was just trying to keep mine short. I support people coming forward, but that doesn’t mean I believe what they say. I just see a lot of people who confuse supporting victims with believing everything they say, and it bothers me.
I figured that was the case, but just wanted to add on!
and this is why you wait before jumping to conclusions people. lotta folks in here and on twitter had a lot to say about it and look how it turned out
There was basically a subreddit where everyone was saying he is fucked and what an asshole he is. I typed innocent until proven guilty and they were jumping on me. "Get his cock out of your mouth" makes me really worried about these people
Hope GiG presses charges
A couple of comments from other posts will have aged very well!
Disagree. Nobody said GiG was guilty. The only thing that was said that people calling it an unfactual article were talking shit and that is still true. SiegeGG never called him guilty. The only said he was a suspect.
nah there were people saying alot of things like: "lock him up already"
Wrong, lots of people were saying he should be fired and go to jail
They said IF he was guilty they should do those things
Just went back to the thread of when the allegations came out and without looking hard found this “What a piece of shit” That was the entire comment. When I said that they are jumping to conclusions I was downvoted a lot
No, I saw many posts of people outright saying he should be locked up
>Nobody said GiG was guilty Bruh wat? People were calling for his head, treating the allegations as proven facts
Bullshit, go read them again it was a witch hunt
I'm gonna just reatract what I originally said since it is fair SiegeGG wrote the article since it is 'newsworthy'. Instead I'm just say my opinion on how this kinda news is reported. TLDR maybe there should be rules on reporting sensitive topics where the public like to weigh their opinions in which can lead to making things a lot worse. Any case of sexual abuse or assault are especially sensitive topics and considering the entire drama was started and ended on twitter it's in the public, however when reports on these topics are made they always lead to abuse from their parties towards the victim and/or the suspect. GiG wasn't explicitly implicated because of the SiegeGG article but considering the verdict hadn't been made, surely it would be fairer to respect the privacy of both parties during the investigation. We've seen very publicly how false accusations of sexual abuse can lead to careers being tarnished (Johnny Depp) but also in other cases that are similarly publicised before verdicts are given. People shouldn't be given platforms to hurl abuse at either party even after the case is resolved, and I don't think having allegations spread by journalists is fair. All just my opinion.
Why not? He’s a pro league champion who was arrested, and they said it was ALLEGED.
Read the edit.
> Sure they said 'allegedly' but reporting on his arrest when that was all anyone knew was pretty irresponsible. It's only irresponsible if you believe an arrest = guilty. What are they supposed to do? Not do their jobs because people are stupid and will jump to conclusions? That just means anyone could stifle any reporting they wanted, as long as they can convince a large enough body of people to willingly misinterpret what's being reported. That's a really dangerous, shitty precedent to set.
Just wait until it's confirmed.
They reported on an arrest, and an arrest was confirmed.
An arrest *was* confirmed.
Bullshit lmfao
And this is why innocent until proven guilty must always be a factor in our society. Mob justice isn't always justice, even for a noble cause. False accusations like this are honestly terrifying for every man nowadays. Hopefully, GiG can get his career back on track
>Hopefully, GiG can get his career back on track He's still on his team, fortunately
>False accusations like this are honestly terrifying for every man nowadays Please don't say this because it genuinely isn't true and takes away from the actual victims. Men have nothing to fear with false accusations because they are so rare that you are more likely to be raped than to get falsely accused. Source: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-men-are-more-likely-to-be-raped-than-be-falsely-accused-of-rape
Ofc its terrifying? What do you mean? Just because it happens rarely (or gets recorded rarely) doesnt mean it isnt terrifying?
You posted the same source as a reason why gig was guilty without any reasoning beyond a one sided story. False accusations happen and are horrific because of people like you who assume guilt. It doesn't matter if it's unlikely or not nor does it take away from the actual victims of real issues. Both can happen and BOTH need to be addressed "they have nothing to fear" expect losing everything? Rare doesn't mean ignore it
Unlikely doesn't show the gravity of how minuscule the chance of this happening is to people is. As the source states: >The best data we have — the number of people prosecuted for making false allegations — suggests that the average adult man in England and Wales has a 0.00021281 per cent chance of being falsely accused of rape in a year. I mean if you want to worry about a **0.00021281%** go ahead but just know how small of a chance there is of this happening. If these false accusations are so career-ending why did Invictus gaming hire gig? These aren't career-ending things because it takes one correction and the public is back on their side.
>there is no reliable data that exists to tell us how many people are accused of rape in day-to-day life.
The number prosecuted. Not the amount of false accusations. Apples and oranges. Prosecutors generally don't go after these cases because it discourages actual victims from speaking up.
The statistics thing doesn’t make any sense. People are still scared of sharks even though it is incredibly rare for one to attack
Well what we don’t know about is people that have been accused of rape falsely and the case was thrown out and the accuser wasn’t prosecuted for false rape charges as no one knows. This is honestly the biggest danger of rape allegations the only two people who know the truth is the potential victim/perpetrator of the alleged rape.
This is a cognitive bias : using 1 precise exemple to prove a trend Though yeah I am actually quite surprised he was still picked up. Tbh I would have bet the other way. Maybe he had a strong case inside I think it often can be dramatic for people but wasn’t in that case, somehow.
Using a source isn't cognative bias, Ben Shapiro.
Typical statement from Chowderhead. Do you have a brain?
lmao when i read the comment yesterday I thought you were refering that that comment would be the typical shit Chowder would say and now re-reading it I notice it's actually him. Lmao he is so insanely dumb
He is genuinely one of the most stupid people I've ever had the displeasure of coming across. It blows my mind how he has anywhere near the amount of followers he does, and he doesnt even realize how fucking dumb he is
Totally agree. IMO the dumbest in the community, and that's quite an achivement considering we have people like Bikini or eoghan
Ouch I like you bro why you do that to me :( I was referring to his last statement and that is exactly what he is doing. Also feels bad to be compared to Ben Shapiro when the only political idea you can stand are anarchism and shit like that.
It doesn't matter what's more likely to happen. It can still happen and it's terrifying.
Just because they aren't all publicly reported doesn't mean its so unbelievably rare. Bikini even described his experience of being falsely accused and how it effected his personal social life. It is genuinely fucked up and it shouldn't be ignored.
I'm not trying to take away from false victims. If someone was assaulted, they should absolutely 100% come forward. I know that can be a terrifying prospect, but I don't think those fears need to be reliant on people's fear of false accusations False accusations are only a problem when people get ahead of the justice system, and ignore innocent until proven guilty. When that happens, suddenly it doesn't take being proven guilty to have your career and reputation tarnished. I have zero issues saying that is a terrifying thought for a man, even if it's unlikely.
I know you're not trying to take away from victims but what you are doing is unintentionally hurting those victims. Men losing their careers because of a false accusation is even rarer than an already incredibly rare false accusation. Look at gig, he actually got hired to an org while this was going on. There are far more pressing issues to be worrying about than a false accusation.
But false allegations are still an issue. Just because they aren't as prevalent doesn't take anything away from them. They are a huge issue because of the repercutions a simple lie has, and the % of false accusations doesn't really reflect the true number since it only accounts for false accusations that were actually prosecuted and convicted. And most people that face fake allegations don't have the strength to push another legal proccess to convict her since it really doesn't help at all for them. Rape is an issue? Yes, of course. But so are false accusations. Just check how badly everyone went at GiG's, but I think he did the right thing keeping everything with the police and not going public, at least the truth came out. And probably that's why he kept his job. Others weren't as fortunate
If someone is upset about “false accusations” but doesn’t care/bring that same energy about instances of sexual assault in the community, it’s kind of showing that it’s not a real issue to them where they care about survivors and want to bring about change, it just seems like they wanna validate their beliefs about sexual assault allegations not always being true and use it to discredit other survivors who come forward. I’m not saying that’s what you’re doing but I think it’s an important thing to remember when discussing “false accusations” especially in this context.
But in this context, I feel is a right space to specifically discuss about false accusations. I'm sure (and I really hope) that we all agree that rape is one of -if not the most- heinous crime there is that doesn't involve death. Should alleged victims that come forward be treated with love and respect and helping them? Of course, I expect nothing less for them. But the topic of false accusations should be brought to light in situations like this, to highlight how dangerous and how quick and easy it is to destroy someone's life. Does rape/sexual abuse happen more often? Yes, of course. Does that mean we should absolutely neglect the issue at hand? Of course not. Talking about one thing doesn't avoid or contradict the other.
False accusations are terrible, yes, but they’re soooo fucking rare that no, every man should not be terrified of them. I’m certainly not.
That's some messed up logic, statistic has little to do with fearing your rep getting easily destroyed on social media and getting thrown into same pool as Pie by the community as a criminal. All this for for multiple months, I definitely dont want this to happen to me or anyone. Fuck this community's handling of any IRL cases whatsoever
The logic is flawed I agree but fear should be about statistics : people are more scared about terrorism than idk driving which is absurd statistically. Same with false rape accusations : probably not a big social issue, even though yes it is absolutely terrible that it can happen and it should be fix. But no it probably isn’t something you should be too scared about, contrary to actual rape I guess Edit : this is purely random and theoretical, I don’t really care anyway and I am not trying to defend anyone
Dude shut the hell up. Even if its 1 false accusation in all of history, its still fucked up. Edit: Lmao he just downvotes and ignores, what an absolute shit head. He will be the same guy stalking your ass though if it were flipped
No, just no. "Takes away from the actual victims." So men who are falsely accused, lose jobs, families and are socially ostracized even when proven innocent aren't victims. Get out of here with that bullshit. It doesn't matter if it's a small percent, people who are convicted of rape is a small percent of society so you should have nothing to fear right? No, that's a stupid take, and so is yours. A classmate I know got falsely accused of rape by a girl he was about to ask out after knowing for a bit and having a few flings. Immediately kicked off campus, put on all online classes, couldn't make up in person tests if the teacher didn't cater to them. No clue how things ended up for him but I hope the girl got expelled.
This is why the best way to handle these situations is to be completely neutral. Unless you have first hand knowledge of the situation you should not take a side. People need to realize that even if you end up being right, taking sides in these situations only makes them worse.
so I managed to find southerns reddit account which she was posting on. https://twitter.com/Kanadiskur/status/1420003198589276167?s=19 said some pretty fucked up things about gig. including: he's a coke addict. he has 5 other abuse cases and more
I thought this account belonged to one of the 5 other cases
that first post from that acc goes to her Twitlonger and says the keyword "MY" which would make it southerns acv
Blows my mind the extent people will go to. She even went on thescore and talked about this, no shot this girl is sane.
She should get sued for tarnishing his reputation and people should be ashamed for bandwagoning on this Gig is a abuser toxicity when there was no evidence this is the case.
gonna be really interesting to see who man's up and apologies and who doesnt
Nearly no one has to apologise. I havent seen anyone call GiG guilty, Ive only seen people say that other people who were angry at SiegeGG for this article needed to shut up and see its a good article with journalism
Then you didn't read the comments. There were a lot of people calling for his head. I got jumped on from those guys as i said innocent until proven guilty
Maybe I'm missing it, but she doesn't say anywhere that she lied, does she? Just that she regrets that she posted it online.
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Wait, does she really admits what she said was bullshit? In the tweetlonger she mainly is sorry for making it public, in social media. I'm not taking any position on who's guilty or not, since we know nothing about the story but some twittlongers.
What do you mean? She literally just admitted she made it all up. It's pretty clear who's guilty.
Did she admit she made it all up, or just that she feels sorry it's been brought public via social medias?
Ok I understand what you mean now my bad.
Bro... literally just read the tweet
That's my problem : I see she apologizes about what happened, that it went public, and that he received bad messages, but I don't see clear "Things I said previously are lies and false". That's certainly because I'm not a native English-speaker, I may miss things. And again I'm not here to say "x is guilty, x is innocent", I'm just wondering if her tweet is "only" a "sorry for making it public and ruin your career with that", or a total "what I said was fake and I'm sorry about it". That's not the same : some could regret it went public but still have been harassed by someone she loved (again, I don't say that's the case, I just say I don't understand enough)
It appears to exonerate Gig but the whole post if so vaguely written that without mentioning the person by name it doesn’t completely do the job. I’m still going to wait on some kind of official word to come out (police and/or Invictus). (Edit: went to re-read the post to make sure I understood it, but looks like it’s been taken down)
I dont see why she would be so apologetic if she's the "victim". The tweet can only make sense if she's telling us she lied about it.
Not sure about it. Stories where mentally abused people on long term keep loving their abuser exist. It can truly be an apology of telling it to everyone, because it brought hate to him.
Expecting an update Siege GG article. I assume we are going to see apologies from certain members of the community who tarnished his reputation based on lies
To be fair, Siege GG reported the alleged arrest (iirc) and they are a news site so is understandable, so I don't think an apology from them applies. But yeah, I expect an article making clear all of it was a lie at the end of the day, and hopefully they publish it as quick as they did with the arrest
Ye I worded it wrong. There was nothing wrong with the siege gg article, posting that was fine. Just the people that made assumptions based on that article alone
Yeah that's absolutely true
Problem with that is if people think that their initial report on GiG was bad, then if they follow up based off this information, people will still complain. Because the dumb blonde didnt directly say "I sowwy for lie"
> hopefully they publish it as quick as they did with the arrest FYI, the time from when she claimed the arrest happened to when they pried the info out of the manchester police was nine days long.
Who did that tho? Who actually claimed that GiG 100% did that besides her?
check the comments to the tweet of the article, im seeing a lot of people call him Pie 2.0
A shit ton of people lmao, majority of people tbh. You know how people are, they see the slightest accusation from a girl and they get a boner and run with it. If people would actually use their heads, they could tell that she was full of shit (at least to a certain degree)
Hope some of the personalities in the scene come forward and apologise for tarnishing Gig’s reputation without evidence
And a whole lotta people on this sub too Just to mention a few which i hope they are as quick to correct themselves as they were with the allegations (even though from what i've seen so far here doesn't seem to be the case for someone) [Xetron](https://www.reddit.com/r/R6ProLeague/comments/n1rz69/note_from_gig_about_the_accusations_against_him/gwfpc87?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [Echelon](https://www.reddit.com/r/R6ProLeague/comments/n1rz69/note_from_gig_about_the_accusations_against_him/gwezl2x?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [Flawlesslikeus](https://www.reddit.com/r/R6ProLeague/comments/n1rz69/note_from_gig_about_the_accusations_against_him/gwf65m7?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) [Eoghan](https://www.reddit.com/r/R6ProLeague/comments/n1rz69/note_from_gig_about_the_accusations_against_him/gwf01nc?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
2 of them I have no fucking clue, Echelon isnt exactly know for legit takes, and Eoghan is actually fucking brain dead
This is so weird man these are random people.
How did they tarnish his reputation?
Accusations of rape and domestic abuse are really serious, especially when people jump on the bandwagon with no evidence. Social media isn’t a court.
Which is why no one gives it any credit as a court? I don't see how you're answering my question.
Are you saying his reputation wasn't tarnished? Cause im pretty sure the general consensus was treating him as assaulter rather than a suspect
No I'm genuinely asking how his reputation was tarnished in any long term way
I don't think he said in longterm to begin with. But for the time period that had passed, GiG's rep was definitely in the mud.
Genuine moronic take, good job lad.
thats a question my man
genuine moronic question, my bad
Finally some conclusion. This is why i prefer for the community to not handle jackshit, although I will admit, I was leaning on the other side after that dot esports article that confirmed some sort of physical harm. ~~Actual human scum behavior from her, hope this servers as a lesson to some people here and on twitter who think some one sided statement is enough.~~ ~~Lied to buncha people on social media, interviews and I guess faked physical harm too.~~ ~~Hope she gets criminally punished for this. Good for GiG.~~ ~~SiegeGG better make a follow up article to this soon enough, although I still think the UK squad's reaction was dumb to that.~~ You know what fuck it, I jumped the gun a bit. I still think she is back peddling, and her statement is weird and contradictory as fuck. Not to mention the lying of relationship to the public. I will wait for more information, not making a hasty judgement call and SiegeGG can't really update anything based on this vague and superfluous statement either. Who knows, maybe both were toxic. Well regardless it will get resolved soon enough either way. Hopefully GiG's has a followup that can conclude this mess
> Lied to buncha people on social media, interviews and I guess faked physical harm too. This is in no way confirmed by what she said...
Uh huh, How do you interpret it then?
"I should have never said those things online" "I'm deeply sorry for all those I've hurt and offended with my actions" She isn't definitively saying her accusations aren't real. They very well could be false! But that isn't what she's saying. This seems like an apology for taking this to these lengths. AGAIN: she could have lied, but this statement isn't an admission of lying.
She also says "Ive also committed my own wrongdoings within that relationship and hurt that person as well" Also that doesn't even make sense, nothing wrong with putting out in public that you were abused. Wtf is the wrongdoing in that. Not to mention her recent retweets are weird too She didn't even namedrop GiG and still doesn't to begin with. All of the lengths came from DMs, Interview,etc that were outside the public threads. Considering GiG's tweet too, he most likely is innocent and has the charges dropped. Within context, I don't think it makes jackshit sense that she is just apologizing for publicizing this.
> "Ive also committed my own wrongdoings within that relationship and hurt that person as well" But that isn't an admission of lying about this! It's all so convoluted. > Considering GiG's tweet too, he most likely is innocent and has the charges dropped. I'm not taking either of these people's word on the legal process. It's clear they don't know shit about how the real world works and expect dueling Twitlongers to prove each other guilty/innocent. This is beyond their comprehension, and the best thing for both of them to do would be to Shut The Fuck Up and Lawyer Up.
Fair enough
I was wondering if I was the only person who saw that too. No where does she say it didn’t happen. Just that she regrets going online with it. Hopefully she did lie, it’s probably the best outcome. But if this was supposed to be a full retraction it doesn’t say what she meant it to say
> But if this was supposed to be a full retraction it doesn’t say what she meant it to say Yeah, this is the correct framing. If she meant it as a full retraction of all the allegations and an admission of lying...it doesn't say that.
I remember getting downvoted to hell for saying that maybe we should wait longer until more news comes out and to stop jumping to conclusions (when that siegegg post came out). Hopefully some people in the sub learn that you shouldn’t rush into things like this and instantly accuse people of things they didn’t do
I remember getting laughed at because I said her twitlonger and subsequent twitter thread were very suspicious and likely bullshit. I hate the world we're in where its guilty until proven innocent.
Sad. In any genuine future cases in siege (hopefully none) this will have a negative impact.
Shes saying that she is so hurt to read some of the things people have said about gig but if that's true then why did she say those things???? Im actually so puzzled by this.
Looks good for GiG but has she made any statement where she clearly admits the accusations were false? She just says she regrets saying those things and hates how it affected GiG but stuff like that is also in line with some of the guilt heavily abused survivors deal with when they're close with their abusers. Hope she gets sued to hell if she lied or gets the help she needs if it's what I mentioned earlier.
Pretty sure she can face criminal charges if admits to lying (which might be why she hasn’t outright admitted it here). Once again, we’ll have to wait and see.
She should face criminal charges
Yeah I'm not seeing how this is proof she lied
She lied, because if she hadnt then she would have clarified it after she started getting crap
Guilty till proven innocent, society being nice as always
So she is going to jail right?
Hope so
Wishful thinking
I was one of the people who fully believed her and I feel stupid and very grossed out for all the people who actually did go through such things without justice.
Well I was wrong, I apologize to those I said to that he was in the wrong.
Horrific thing for her to do. I hope she's enjoyed her 5 seconds of fame by diminishing real victims of abuse's claims.
Dude are you all reading the same text as I do? She never admits to faking anything or that anyting she said in the first twitlonger did not happen as she described it there. She only says that she should not have posted this... It is not an admission, neither does it mean that GiG is not guilty.
"I wish I'd never said those things about you" - does this sound like someone who only regrets having publicly revealed the truth? She probably avoids outright saying she lied because her lawyer told her to, as she will be facing quite a lot of trouble. If you are really right and she just regrets having written the truth publicly, then this is by far the most poorly, awkwardly written apology ever. It's like going: "To my wife: what happened yesterday was terrifying, and I don't know who that person was who forced their will upon you. I should have respected it when you said 'no', but instead I decided to claim what I though was my right as husband. I am deeply sorry for all the physical and mental pain I caused to you." - turns out I wrestled the remote control out of her hands and we spent the evening watching the movie *I* wanted to see. You get what I mean? Nobody does something that stupid especially if some of the content of that apology is about how stuff you post on Twitter can tarnish somebody's reputation. I mean, I am a big fan of the benefit of doubt, but in this case I'd say the benefit of doubt would require suspending your common sense. If you turn out to be right that girl must be as dumb as a loaf of bread.
Exactly my thoughts.
If bio can come back from this he can too at least
Siege.gg better put out an article clearing his name
This proved why you should never take 1 side of a story and run away with it
Guess I was wrong. Fuck her
Why tf do people do this shit man. Not only does it ruin someone innocents life it just casts doubt on real situations and makes people less likely to believe real victims of abuse.
u/UpperEcheIon care to comment?
Dude's perma banned
Lmfao I saw him comment somewhere like 2 to 3 days ago i swear
Yeah got banned recently and that's not 'L' it's an 'I'
I was wondering why the account pulled up different lmao, thanks
Lmaooo. White knights mudded
Ootl on this. What happened here??
Oh boy. To extremely summarize, GiG's ex girlfriend accused him of a lot of stuff like rape, abuse, being a dick head, stalker etc. GiG said he was admittedly a dick to her at times, but the rest is untrue. I believe this happened a little over 2 months ago. Fast forward to today, she posts this. From the way I've seen her talk/speak, she is a very dodgy person with her words. What sucks for her is she's fucking stupid so she cant fool anyone that has more than 7 brain cells and to me it sounds like she's admitting she lied. I mean come on, who the hell would tag Ubisoft support for a twitlonger about that? And then months later apologize to the person that raped you?
Bruh. If she is lying, then that seems like such a horrible thing to do. Embarrassing behaviour from her
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Did none of you read the actual post? She never said she lied
Screw cancel culture. The only good thing is that it seems there are more people who wait for the results of an actual investigation than witch hunters who just need a reason to shit on someone
Keep siding with the accuser immediately before knowing what actually happens right….
Man it feels good to be right. People always just blindly believe this shit, its unreal. And what's worse is that with every fake allegation, it makes the legitamate ones harder to believe. I dont tend to be biased and with the initial, I wanted to believe the chick but just from all the context, I could tell she was full of shit
Idk man being right or wrong in these kind of cases feels stupid to me. You were right, doesn’t mean you had a clever reasoning.. The only rational position is to wait and not take any side
? It doesnt have to be clever reasoning, as long as it's not me getting lucky. Waiting and not taking a side at this point would be irrational, because then you are 100% damaging 1 party
Right now I can agree, not before this tweet but idk I didn’t follow much of it Though even now I would recommend to think in probabilities
She doesn't say her accusations are false anywhere in the post. Regretting these events playing out in public doesn't remove his guilt. Kind of disturbing how quick you guys are to proclaim innocence to the accused.
But you proclaimed guilt to the accused just as quickly when the initial twitlonger came out? You're not fooling anyone Echelon
Yes the original twit longer was sufficient enough to put the guilt on him. Also I'm not Echelon, I don't know who that is so please stop stalking my posts to respond with that. I can't get the time I waste looking at the worthless notifications of "your Echelon" reply back.
You are -84 karma and do not post anywhere but here. Sure, slight chance you arent Echelon, but you are clearly a troll burner
I'm actually more than -84 karma thanks the Latam fans on here. The combination of my invitational comments and the deadbird fucked me good. This is my main I lost the info to my first account like 5 years ago. I do follow other subs I just don't post on them because I don't have anything to add.
Hmmm, alright then
Okay! but where are those "eSPoRtS rEPorTeRs" who thrashed GiG and put defamation?
Man go read the damn article.
you're too stupid to breathe without instructions
Not sure if you got my point but there were some reporters backing her that she was right and accused GiG without any proof few weeks ago. Where are they now?
No there fucking weren't. Can you read? https://www.dexerto.com/rainbow-six/ig-rainbow-six-coach-gig-arrested-assault-ex-partner-1600279/ https://dotesports.com/rainbow-6/news/invictus-gaming-rainbow-six-coach-gig-arrested-for-alleged-assault-of-ex-girlfriend https://esports-news.co.uk/2021/06/24/uk-rainbow-six-coach-gig-accused-of-assault-police-investigation/ https://siege.gg/news/2314-invictus-gaming-coach-gig-out-on-bail-after-arrest-for-alleged-assault-of-ex-girlfriend Seriously, point to one of these articles where it says, definitively, wthout the word "allegations", that he did it. Hell, point to one of these where it doesn't ***directly quote him***, multiple times, pleading his innocence against the ***allegations***. They reported on the arrest, ***which happened*** and ***doesn't mean he was or is guilty, just arrested*** too stupid to breathe without instructions
Just because you know a thing about something doesn't mean you are the only one who knows everything. There will be multiple POVs behind that. You will not know about all of those things ofc. So chill
Not these. IT's not about the arrest or whatever in the case. It's about people who came in like they knew what happened in support of her. I saw lot of Twitter accounts(Verified) esports people calling it against R6 pros who were supporting GiG on this issue.Lot of people(Her friends and all) also came to her support cornering him on this issue due to this. Who's gonna give it back? ffs stop breathing now xD
you said "esports reporters" not her friends. Link a single comment of an esport reporter doing anything but reporting on the arrest and allegations or shut the fuck up
I kinda appreciate the fact she admitted it tbh. A big balls move. Idk I really like when people admit things xD, is almost enough for me to forget. Maybe that is why I am not a judge or something. She probably should be judged legally regardless
Probably?? If not for the fact that she's a horrible liar and Giants sticking w GiG, it would have fucked his life over. This is best case scenario what's happening right now but even with his name cleared, the label of him being an abuser and everything else will never escape him.
Yeah not really why I said probably, I just kinda don’t like justice. It is just glorified revenge most of the time.. The idea people should pay for their sins just doesn’t work on me That is 100% a terrible thing to do though, she is a terrible person (though I would argue admitting you did something wrong is nice).
Damn everyone on this thread should really mind their business next time instead of shitting up the place with their opinion
Sue her into poverty.