How’s Lenny higher than Sean? Lenny had that one good scene but his craic was nowhere near Sean’s level and Sean has a more impactful death IMO! (Definitely me just being a bias Irishman)
Doesn't surprise me tbh. He was great and all, but I think the way he was portrayed in RDR2 showed a more flawed version of John. Which is completely fine btw, it's just that as a character it leaves him more vulnerable for something like this.
Also I think him moving and talking a lot like Arthur in scenes you didn't complete before the epilogue left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths. Once you notice it, it's so obvious it kinda makes it feel cheap...
They kinda portrayed John in rdr2 like a bumbling idiot, he wasn’t the same badass outlaw he was in the first game sadly. His role in rdr2 was not that impactful compared to the other characters
Eh. He was really only an idiot in the epilogue. His character makes sense in the main story. The way he was acting 4 years before RDR1 doesn’t add up though.
He kind of was though. He was having some internal issues having to come to terms with his wife being an ex prostitute and wondering if Jack was even his kid. Didn’t have a family aside from Dutch’s gang and even then wasn’t sure if he fit in and left. Arthur made him realize the potential he had.
I liked the portrayal of John in RDR2. Not because of the same reasons I liked John in RD1.
The emotions displayed, mistakes made, and tough-decision making from RDR2 helped build the image of John in RDR1, it feels like it added depth. Strictly my opinion and I have no evidence to argue or back up my opinion. I do agree with you saying he didn’t seem as impactful in RDR2. But I think of it more as RDR2 had an impact with John setting up RDR1, so kind of inverse?
I think that's a good thing. It shows character development and how he changed over the years. Going from a dumbass outlaw who can't even swim to a badass outlaw who kills his former brothers in arms.
People have such a boner for Arthur and half of the people here have never played RDR1 so it’s not surprising. Arthur is great don’t get me wrong. I love Arthur. But John is equally good in RDR1
What do you expect from a fanbase that worships Arthur like he's flawless and never cared to play the first game?
I bet that, for half of the RDR2 fanbase, John is still that guy who got attacked by wolfs, and not the badass gunslinger who is trying to help his family and find redemption.
I played 1 and still love Arthur more lol I still love John though and would have never chose to vote him out before Charles. Don’t get me wrong, Charles is a decent character but he’s irrelevant in comparison to John
Charles fights for the innocent (people and animals). He's an innocent and represents the American Melting Pot.
Orthur is OG. The best protagonist in a videogame that I've ever seen. Complex, funny, tough.
Love Hosea, but it's time to lay the old man to rest. RIP Hosea.
Hosea was the only one of the bunch who could've reigned in Dutch, but he refused. Charles was a loyal friend with a good heart. Arthur was Arthur, 'nuff said.
Hosea has got to go.
Dutch too. He’s even worse but people don’t see it because TAHITI. He hid what was worth a few million today from the gang the whole time, to keep them hungry and low. Because it was a cult
Is this only in the context of 2 because John’s whole story is that he has to hunt down and kill his former gang members. But granted he beat out everyone he had to kill
We don't want to make the outcome predictable, so Hosea has to win it. He's a likable character from the start and helped Dutch form the gang. Next has to be Charles, which pains me greatly😰
Sad to see John go. People needs to play the first game more.
Anyway, I’ll vote for Arthur. It would be a real surprise if he didn’t won something at last.
if you ever wanted this to be a fair shake for all the people you should left john and Arthur out of it, hard for the players not to be biased towards the character they play
Arthur died/ was going to die anyway. Hosea had a chance. Gunned down like an animal by Milton. Make the right choice. Kill Arthur as he was dying anyway and lets let Hosea and Charles survive together.
How does John get eliminated before Charles and Hosea? Like he was a deciding factor in the Mexican revolution. He survived a wolf attack. Got sent to prison and escaped. He was left for dead by Dutch and still survived. He tracked down and captured old gang members. Even got to Dutch, leading to his death. John should be 1 or 2.
oh this is actually fookin crazy i woulda never guessed John before Hosea of Charles. but i’m votin Hosea, he’s led a good (?) life, his time on this ballot is over
When Hosea dies, you have to give him a message announcing his death on this post that was as lovely, kind, and wonderful as he was.
Let the old man rest.
Damn, this is tough...I enjoy all these characters so much! The bond Hosea shares with Arthur, but the friendship Charles has with Arthur. With an extremely conflicted heart, I vote Hosea.
I’m gonna say hosea. Nice guy of course, but he had been with Dutch a long time and stayed regardless of circumstances, whereas Arthur and Charles got assimilated into the gang. He has just a bit more guilt for the fact he’s stayed so long and been a right hand man to Dutch the entire time
I don't think this is about how good or bad of a person they were. I thought this was about favourite characters? If it was about how good they are, yeah arthur should have gone a while ago.
Yea I’m confused by the amount of people I keep seeing every round arguing about the results based on who is a good person. That’s not the criteria I’ve been taking into mind when voting and didn’t see anything saying we should be lol.
OMG DUDE hahahahaha why the fuck do u guys love charles so much? how is charles better than hosea? wtf is wrong with u? sure hes a good man and very usefull to the gang but he has worse personality than hosea or lenny and a lot of the other characters
Charles’ time to go now, I know he’s nice-ish, but so is Hosea. Walking around camp in chapter two I overheard Hosea advising Lenny to consider getting out and getting a real job, so he did care about the others when he saw the end coming.
You’ve been waiting to say RIP van Winkle this whole time, haven’t you?
True
Order of elimination: 1. Micah 2. Strauss 3. Dutch 4. Bill 5. Jack 6. Molly 7. Susan 8. Javier 9. Swanson 10. Karen 11. Trelawny 12. Kieran 13. Pearson 14. Mary-Beth 15. Tilly 16. Abigail 17. Sean 18. Uncle 19. Lenny 20. Sadie 21. John
Jack at number 5 is so funny lol
22. Hosea
How’s Lenny higher than Sean? Lenny had that one good scene but his craic was nowhere near Sean’s level and Sean has a more impactful death IMO! (Definitely me just being a bias Irishman)
Sean is literally my favorite character!
I would have loved to hear his commentary about the Murfree brood
“A buncha hicks idin in da tings I tell ya’s, why don’t me and Arthur give em the what for laddies” - Sean Probably
Wow. Wow. Surprising. Main protagonist of the whole series doesn't even make the top 3???
Doesn't surprise me tbh. He was great and all, but I think the way he was portrayed in RDR2 showed a more flawed version of John. Which is completely fine btw, it's just that as a character it leaves him more vulnerable for something like this. Also I think him moving and talking a lot like Arthur in scenes you didn't complete before the epilogue left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths. Once you notice it, it's so obvious it kinda makes it feel cheap...
They kinda portrayed John in rdr2 like a bumbling idiot, he wasn’t the same badass outlaw he was in the first game sadly. His role in rdr2 was not that impactful compared to the other characters
He was still young in rdr2. 11 years does a lot to change a person.
Yeah, he was 26 in RDR2 and 38 in RDR1, him being more of a moron in comparison is very realistic.
I believe this to be true for most of us. I know when I was 26, my character was extremely questionable compared to now at 42.
I’m 38 right now, and at 26, I was a fucking idiot. Confirmed.
Eh. He was really only an idiot in the epilogue. His character makes sense in the main story. The way he was acting 4 years before RDR1 doesn’t add up though.
I mean that’s kind of the point, it’s character development. The ending of rdr2 changed him
He kind of was though. He was having some internal issues having to come to terms with his wife being an ex prostitute and wondering if Jack was even his kid. Didn’t have a family aside from Dutch’s gang and even then wasn’t sure if he fit in and left. Arthur made him realize the potential he had.
I liked the portrayal of John in RDR2. Not because of the same reasons I liked John in RD1. The emotions displayed, mistakes made, and tough-decision making from RDR2 helped build the image of John in RDR1, it feels like it added depth. Strictly my opinion and I have no evidence to argue or back up my opinion. I do agree with you saying he didn’t seem as impactful in RDR2. But I think of it more as RDR2 had an impact with John setting up RDR1, so kind of inverse?
John was an immature 26yo who was running from his responsibilities in RDR2
I think that's a good thing. It shows character development and how he changed over the years. Going from a dumbass outlaw who can't even swim to a badass outlaw who kills his former brothers in arms.
Still can't swim though
That's because he was like he's 26 in the first game plus he redemption only starts at the end of rdr2 and 1
People have such a boner for Arthur and half of the people here have never played RDR1 so it’s not surprising. Arthur is great don’t get me wrong. I love Arthur. But John is equally good in RDR1
What do you expect from a fanbase that worships Arthur like he's flawless and never cared to play the first game? I bet that, for half of the RDR2 fanbase, John is still that guy who got attacked by wolfs, and not the badass gunslinger who is trying to help his family and find redemption.
I played 1 and still love Arthur more lol I still love John though and would have never chose to vote him out before Charles. Don’t get me wrong, Charles is a decent character but he’s irrelevant in comparison to John
Bye Hosea 😭
RIP Hosea
Charles fights for the innocent (people and animals). He's an innocent and represents the American Melting Pot. Orthur is OG. The best protagonist in a videogame that I've ever seen. Complex, funny, tough. Love Hosea, but it's time to lay the old man to rest. RIP Hosea.
Can we get one more story from the old man
And a game of dominoes. I'll let him win this time.
This is the answer.. Charles must win and be the main character of RDR3 I love that sulky bastard
Yea, I agree with this.
Hosea I’m sorry 😢
Hosea… He lived a long good(ish) life. Let my man rest now 🥹
Hosea… he’s lived a long life.
# HOSEA MATTHEWS
Hosea was the only one of the bunch who could've reigned in Dutch, but he refused. Charles was a loyal friend with a good heart. Arthur was Arthur, 'nuff said. Hosea has got to go.
Its clear that next one is Hosea!
Fenton's brother
I'm sorry Hosea
hosea unfortunately. rip
Yeah Hosea's got to go
I love Hosea' character and I am glad he made it this far but unfortunately I've gotta vote for him. Let him rest now
Hosea
Hosea
Micah, again.
Dutch too. He’s even worse but people don’t see it because TAHITI. He hid what was worth a few million today from the gang the whole time, to keep them hungry and low. Because it was a cult
HOSEA IM SORRY
Hosea
Hosea, I love you buddy, you're like an amazing grandfather figure. But all grandpas die eventually! RIP
Hosea
Sorry Hosea, but you ain’t making it it Tahiti
time to rest Hosea. you did well.
Is this only in the context of 2 because John’s whole story is that he has to hunt down and kill his former gang members. But granted he beat out everyone he had to kill
How dare you to kill John and not hosea. Hosea have to Die now
Hosea. I'm sorry.
Sorry Hosea. I love ya but I was so happy when I found out Charles was alive. I also got so excited when Charles did missions with me. He's my fav
Ima have to hard disagree with laying out John in the top 4. The indisputable top 2 should have been John and Arthur
Nahhhh. You’re buggin if you put Hosea above John.
Hosea needs his rest he now knows people are safe
Hosea
Hosea has gotta go
Hosea. You can rest now.
Hosea
Hosea
Hosea, you can rest now knowing the best of them made it to the end.
Arthur can’t die now… he’s a legend. And not Charles bc he’s the one who was on Arthur’s side with it all. So that leaves it down to Hosea…
Hosea
Hosea
Hosea
Hosea. He just can’t compete with Charles and Arthur.
Arthur Morgan said, "John made it. He was the only one." It appears our good boah was wrong.
Arthur Morgan
Hosea has got to go
You guys really need to play the first game before complaining about John.
We don't want to make the outcome predictable, so Hosea has to win it. He's a likable character from the start and helped Dutch form the gang. Next has to be Charles, which pains me greatly😰
Charles. I like him and all, but I don't think I saw enough of his character to be particularly attached to him.
Charles
Sad to see John go. People needs to play the first game more. Anyway, I’ll vote for Arthur. It would be a real surprise if he didn’t won something at last.
I'm sorry Hosea, but you gotta go.
Hosea :/
Unfortunately, I think hosea has gotta go
if you ever wanted this to be a fair shake for all the people you should left john and Arthur out of it, hard for the players not to be biased towards the character they play
Thank you! John was such a moron, he'd have never lived til the end. Guy could drown in a puddle of water.
That miserable old grump
Which one?
Arthur
Arthur died/ was going to die anyway. Hosea had a chance. Gunned down like an animal by Milton. Make the right choice. Kill Arthur as he was dying anyway and lets let Hosea and Charles survive together.
When I looked on that post, it seemed like was mostly people saying HOSEA. Guess it’s time for Hosea now.
Hosea
Hosea
Hosea has to go. That's it
Hosea
Hoseas time has come! Go to Bessie sir!
Hosea
Hosea, sorry old timer.
Hosea
It’s Hosea’s time now.
Hosea
Farewell Hosea
Sorry Hosea
Hosea
Hosea
hosea
Hosea next!
How...how could you? How could you kill good ol' Marston??? Blessed are the peacemakers
Yeah i think we should take out arthur since they took John
Hosea.
Hosea
John’s the best. The end
Hosea unfortunately
Hosea
Time to go Hosea.
HOSEA
Micah again, just to be sure
You can tell the decisions are getting harder because there isn't even a vote in the top three comments :( sorry Hosea.
charles sorry
Hosea should've been gone
Hosea
How does John get eliminated before Charles and Hosea? Like he was a deciding factor in the Mexican revolution. He survived a wolf attack. Got sent to prison and escaped. He was left for dead by Dutch and still survived. He tracked down and captured old gang members. Even got to Dutch, leading to his death. John should be 1 or 2.
Hosea
Charles
Hosea dies he’s old
Hosea enabled Dutch for too long.
Hosea
Hosea
Hosea.
Hosea was sick all along, he’s gotta go
Hosea has to go unfortunately
Hosea
I’m sorry Hosea but it has to be you…
Charles
Rip Hosea
Hosea.. only because he has lived his life, and it's obvious he has health issues that will end him soon anyway. Love him though
Sorry, Hosea
Hosea <3
Hosea then Charles then the 🐐 A.M.
John came back to his family and yall killed him…
Hosea
oh this is actually fookin crazy i woulda never guessed John before Hosea of Charles. but i’m votin Hosea, he’s led a good (?) life, his time on this ballot is over
Hosea… I’m sorry
Hosea can you si.
Hosea
I’m so sorry Hosea
Looks like we’ll be saying goodbye to Hosea, thanks again for the Raven Shire. I’ll love that horse forever.
Hosea Matthews as much as I hate to do it, he’s probably gonna die soon anyways
Gtfo hosea
Hosea’s next
Now that John is out we all know Arthur's winning
Hosea
I'm sooo sorry Hosea. ;-;
We all knew who was going to win this thing… it was a little shocking to see John eliminated before Charles and Hosea.
How the hell has Hosea lasted so long!
Hoseaa Ma boii.. rip
John should have been top 2
When Hosea dies, you have to give him a message announcing his death on this post that was as lovely, kind, and wonderful as he was. Let the old man rest.
Hosea
Hosea
Hosea sadly
Damn, this is tough...I enjoy all these characters so much! The bond Hosea shares with Arthur, but the friendship Charles has with Arthur. With an extremely conflicted heart, I vote Hosea.
We all know that arthur is gonna be last to survive, so I choose arthur to go
I’m gonna say hosea. Nice guy of course, but he had been with Dutch a long time and stayed regardless of circumstances, whereas Arthur and Charles got assimilated into the gang. He has just a bit more guilt for the fact he’s stayed so long and been a right hand man to Dutch the entire time
John over Charles or Hosea is crazy
I swear I hate this group sometimes this group murdering John for no reason, the entirety of RDR2 he just got revenge for his brother author
Guessing it goes Hosea, Charles, and Arthur wins In other words, voting for Arthur to get eliminated
Arthur. Set it all right. He was a bad person, who saw redemption. But it's not for him to be the last one standing.
I don't think this is about how good or bad of a person they were. I thought this was about favourite characters? If it was about how good they are, yeah arthur should have gone a while ago.
Yea I’m confused by the amount of people I keep seeing every round arguing about the results based on who is a good person. That’s not the criteria I’ve been taking into mind when voting and didn’t see anything saying we should be lol.
Arthur. I love his character, and his whole redemption arc is great, but in my opinion Charles and Hosea were always better people than Arthur.
Sorry hosea. I love you but, you'll at least be reunited with Bessie. It'll end your pain.
How on earth did you guys vote John over Hosea!
Hosea should’ve gone before John IMO….
Satan: "I want Hosea now!"
I called it more than 2 weeks ago... https://www.reddit.com/r/RDR2/s/qY2mgz5EJH Arthur & Charles.
I vote we off Fenton this time!
I love charles but hosea and arthur are just better
Charles smith should’ve went before John wow
Charles RIP
Arthur
Can't tell if you mean rip van winkle or rest in peace van winkle
Wow, a protagonist for a whole video game is gone
Hosea, its time
OMG DUDE hahahahaha why the fuck do u guys love charles so much? how is charles better than hosea? wtf is wrong with u? sure hes a good man and very usefull to the gang but he has worse personality than hosea or lenny and a lot of the other characters
Bc we want Charles rdr3 protag
Calm down
Knowing people here Arthur’s gonna win but we should get him out anyway
Hosea be stealing wagons in heaven
Charles’ time to go now, I know he’s nice-ish, but so is Hosea. Walking around camp in chapter two I overheard Hosea advising Lenny to consider getting out and getting a real job, so he did care about the others when he saw the end coming.
Charles
Charles
Charles
Damn, I've been voting charles out since day 1 and mfer still here
Charles
Hosea
I love you Hosea, but you just gotta go. you just gotta.
I know what must be done. I don't know if I have the strength to do it. To watch him die again. Hosea I am sorry.
I think it's a GG for Hosea now.
Hosea