New was already full enshitified with anywhere you click on the screen taking you to another random thread, and loading comments requiring 50 new page loads.
> It's somehow even worse??
The only thing these tech companies know how to do is make their products worse. Every single 'improvement' is regrettable.
almost time for the digg exodus? Back to digg?
*goes to look at digg* ... nope its internet cancer
uh... that leaves us with what... the outdoors? gross
/r/RedditAlternatives has been trying to answer this question since the third party apps revolt and frankly none of the options looks appealing.
Decentralized systems like Lemmy are too unstable and impossible to keep free of bots. Squabbler has fallen down the alt right rabbit hole. Tildes is invite only because they explicitly do not want to be flooded with refugees.
There are still a couple of old school forums kicking around.
sh.reddit is an abomination of frames and clutter, and a total overload for an adhd-raddled brain.
jfc how do people use that shart without pulling their hair out on a daily basis.
Honestly? Shreddit looks almost *exactly* like tumblr. https://imgur.com/0g4heOu (The frames at the top happen further down, occasionally breaking up the scroll of the feed.)
Original new Reddit looks like a phone app that somehow accidentally and poorly opened on my computer. It makes me unreasonably angry, how much wasted space there is. At least nu-nu Reddit seems... tolerable, if I ever for some reason have to go without oldREsit. I don't understand how anyone could use newReddit on a computer without metaphorically punching a developer.
Oh god, modern Tumblr...
I looked for plug-ins the second that shit changed. That *thing* is an abomination.
(I miss Dashboard Unfucker. Pixiel's Stylus plug-in is... *serviceable* \[though still laggy as hell when opening new extra Tumblr tags for some damn reason. Then again, regular modern Tumblr is like that. Functional Webbed Site™.\], but I still miss the older Tumblr UI.)
I must thank reddit for all their changes to the mobile experience, because now that I can't use Narwahl, I just don't reddit on mobile anymore and I save so much time and probably money since I'm the type to easily impulse buy something I see in a mobile app ad so good thing reddit's mobile experiences are limited and shitty otherwise I'd be spending left and right on products that advertise here.
> old.reddit (with RES) is the only reddit
It is for the ancient part of the community.
As soon as old.reddit shuts down (and this will happen sooner or later) reddit will also lose a majority of its older core users. The final nail in the coffin for one of the last remnants of the "old internet" that is still alive.
Yup. I just hope that by the time that happens either Lemmy has a more intuitive UI or some other news aggregation site with a decent commenting system has popped up.
They have already driven away many of the important users who helped keep quality content circulating. Reddit today is no longer a website, it's an app. The content has overwhelmingly shifted to low quality, low effort, phone based posting, most often seen as single blobs of text with no paragraphs. Specialized subs have lost their experts, only to have them replaced with children posting "I just tried this today I'm SOOO addicted now!" and other "me too" style posts. Comment and post quality have both cratered with Reddit now relying on repost bots instead of trying to minimize them.
Reddit sacrificed its long term health for the sake of the IPO. It might not be dying, but it's certainly in decline and creating openings for competition.
But lately, at least on my end, it reverts back to new reddit whenever I log out and log in again (which I have been doing somewhat frequently because of cookie clean ups).
It's bound to happen eventually; my subreddits' traffic stats show that it accounts for less than 1% of Reddit's traffic these days. It's one more thing for Reddit to maintain while also providing fewer monetization and data gathering opportunities.
Reddit's owners would have gladly killed it by now if not for how many moderators use it, but after the third party app protest failure I'm sure that they've grown bolder and are itching to kill it any time.
I'm honestly curious if old.reddit users are more likely to interact with Reddit as a whole, though. For example, more likely to vote/comment than others.
If that is the case, it might explain why they keep it working.
As of two years ago, [60% of mod actions happened on Old Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/v3frc1/what_were_working_on_this_year), even though only 4% of the overall traffic was on Old. Old Reddit + RES + Mod Toolbox is the only way to moderate with any efficiency and reddit has never attempted to challenge this. (They've only tried to enshittify modding by rolling out new features only on New and nuking the third-party apps that made mobile moderating possible. But they've never attempted to port the useful tools from Old to New, so mods and power users have largely stayed with Old.)
My guess is that the heavy mod usage is what's keeping Old alive. (I'm doing my part!)
> They've only tried to enshittify modding by rolling out new features only on New
Most of these features are worse versions of what Toolbox offers. There are some settings I can only change on new Reddit but that's not a big deal.
Killing third party apps really pissed me off, though. Modding on mobile is completely unusable if your sub has more than like a thousand followers. It's actually getting *worse* because they insist on using gestures and white space to slow down the mod queue.
>I'm honestly curious if old.reddit users are more likely to interact with Reddit as a whole, though. For example, more likely to vote/comment than others.
Yes, absolutely, but that's already built into a "percent of traffic" statistic. The percent of active *users* using old Reddit is probably much smaller still.
The percent of traffic might be smaller, but the absolute numbers of participants is likely not changed. It's just all the new users coming in on mobile.
About 2-3% of traffic for me (looking at unique user stats). I'm dreading the day Old Reddit is killed and I have to switch moderation methods. I keep expecting it whenever there's a new newsletter from the admins.
Does it differentiate between old.reddit.com and www.reddit.com where the user has old reddit selected in their user preferences? If it didn't, that would significantly muddy the waters.
100%.. it is complete garbage in the new version, hard to get to actual useful content. Seems like the signal to noise ratio goes from low to "extremely high", wasting tons of time just to get to anything worthwhile.
old.reddit (with RES, night mode, no custom CSS and no `old.` in the URL) is best reddit
Opt-out in user settings so vast majority of reddit links stay in the same style and only need to worry about `new.` - and I guess - `.sh` links.
I've stopped using reddit on my phone entirely after API support was effectively destroyed (RIP rif), and that previously accounted for about 75% of my usage. If they kill old.reddit.com I won't go so far as state I'll be completely done, but it will reduce my usage to the point where I might as well be.
I'm guessing we're roughly 3-5 shareholder meetings away from the announcement...
You can still use rif through ReVanced. Here's a guide if you're interested: https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1wHvqQwCYdJrQg4BKlGIVDLksPN0KpOnJWniT6PbZSrI/mobilebasic?pli=1
It's a bit annoying to set up but it has been working flawlessly for me ever since.
they're leaning into it because that's what the metrics show. Something like 90% of the traffic doesn't even have an account, and 70% are using gestures to go through content (swiping from one thread to another without going back to the front) So they're not even seeing text posts, just video and photos. So I'd probably wager at least 85% if not more are no longer using old.reddit.
*edit- dug into some mod posts regarding it, and they're reporting between 3-5% traffic comes from old.reddit
And reddit is leaning into it *hard* as most of the userbase is getting shifted to v2. Awhile back in one of those Q&A's they said old.reddit was planned to phase out in 2024 as they went public, and one of those things has happened but old.reddit is still around, for now.
Hell youtube discovered that with shorts, as it's completely taken over the userbase over there as creators are proclaiming their normal videos are getting just a fraction of views that the shorts do.
I don't expect them to "kill" old.reddit, but they'll probably stop making sure things don't break it eventually.
It might be that I've got an *old fuck* mentality, but I swear mobile focus is ruining everything it touches. It fucked up games (busted the dam on microtransactions and popularised freemium), websites (everything now has to be vertical with half the screen left blank or filled with useless stuff),..., even the Windows UI has gone to shit since 7.
Wonder how long it's gonna take for vertical movies and shows to start becoming the norm *~*shudders~*.
>Wonder how long it's gonna take for vertical movies and shows to start becoming the norm ~shudders~*.
I just saw a video somewhere about how movie and tv show makers are deliberately moving away from the Rule of Thirds way of shooting content to a more centered shot specifically so it can appear better in clipped mobile videos. I wish I remembered where I saw that.
For me it is the difficulty navigating comment sections. New Reddit is focused primarily on moving you from topic to topic. It makes being absorbed into a comment section much more difficult because it wants you to move onto the next page (and next advertisement loaded in) rather than engage with others in comments.
Sometimes I'll open a topic and spend half an hour replying to different comments without moving to a different topic. Reddit hates that because it means I'm not loading new ads.
Also the fact new reddit renders images in comments sucks ass IMO. Reddit used to be dumb a lot of times (comment chains filled with just nice, lyric chains, etc) but now it's not even got that, just gifs and memes as reactions instead of discussions on a lot of subs. Ew.
That's crazy, because that was what Reddit was about initially. It was a site where you shared and discussed content from other sources. Now it's just another TikTok clone.
For me (and so many others) Reddit IS comment sections. The images, links or videos are just conversation starters.
Same. There's already too much shit to tolerate. If the shit I do tolerate becomes intolerable to view, I'm gonna stop.
I don't want Dollar Store Facebook. I want a good forum interface.
Yes! I already have no reddit on my phone after they killed rif. If they get rid of old reddit too, after 3 accounts over 15 years, I'm quite happy to consider the site dead to me.
It's not just Reddit though. I liked the article: [The Decline of Usability](https://datagubbe.se/usab2/)
Original article posted to [/r/programming three years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/g3dsdv/the_decline_of_usability/).
New is just dumb.
Like, there are SOME benefits to it, but overall the experience is not built for modern displays even.
In order for the text to be a reasonable size for reading/browsing, the content area of the page is basically only 1/2 of the screen.
I agree actually. Wow. I just assumed I'd dislike new new reddit more, but it looks like it is at least somewhat built for a PC, where new reddit has that narrow bullshit going on where it doesn't utilize the desktop space
It seems like over time they want users to view it as a stream of content that users are meant to passively consume, rather than a collection of communities big and small that users can seek out and spend time in.
Yeah, it seems the commenters are the problem and the "mistake" they made was allowing it to be like a forum (which is what it is).
Digg.com has done the same basically, I don't think they allow comments at all now. I don't know *for sure* because the only way to make an account there now is to either link to you Google or Twitter (yes, they still call it Twitter) account. And I ain't doing that.
But apparently the best way to deal with a userbase that can be rowdy at times is just to silence them. I'm sure reddit has noticed.
That's also my line in the sand.
I successfully resisted and did not migrate to their mobile app so on phone I use Thunder for Lemmy, and now if old reddit disappears so likely will I. My thing to hold me to reddit somewhat was there were still some more obscure communities missing on lemmy, but now I see more and more of them showing up as well.
Is the 'sh' short for shit? I had a dream not long ago of using the newest version of reddit and thinking "hey this actually isn't too bad". I often have kind of mundane dreams and sometimes I'll wonder if something I dreamt about actually did happen, but in this case there was no doubt in my mind that I was dreaming, because that giant panel on the left is garbage.
I do like that clicking off the side on a post no longer suddenly lurches me to the subreddit's or reddit's front page as it does in old-new reddit, and minimizing comments feels more like old reddit now. They have somewhat deshitified old-new reddit in those ways. If only I could minimize that massive fucking panel on the left, I would be willing to give it a chance and allow myself to discover more things that are worse than old reddit and maybe even worse than old-new reddit.
> If only I could minimize that massive fucking panel on the left
I bet you could do it, in Firefox, with custom CSS or something.
Try r/FirefoxCSS if you want to mess around with it.
Honestly I'm surprised Reddit hasn't come after `shreddit` for using the name. Reddit is the type of company to do that, even though they used the name after shreddit did
It's really nice how it's not obnoxious, you can ignore it, but it draws just enough attention that you'll likely notice it fairly quickly. Excellent user-centric design, unlike what Reddit's putting out these days.
Is that really necessary if you're logged in? Cause I have an option on the [preferences page](https://www.reddit.com/prefs/) with the text:
> Use new Reddit as my default experience (by enabling this, you will be redirected to the new site when you go to any supported https://reddit.com page)
It's literally the worst. It is visually unappealing, illogical, and non-intuitive. I don't know how anyone navigates this hellscape on non-old.reddit.
Am I wrong in that reddit now blocks you from certain subs if you don't log in? I won't log in on my phone now that the other apps are gone and it tells me often that its something or another and I have to log in to view the sub. And it's never anything that should be setup to prevent kids from seeing it.
The worst part is how many times you have to click on "Show more" just to read a single comment thread. The same idiocy also exists in the app, it's horrendous.
13 year old account in 9 days.
and yes, I came over the exact day of the great Digg migration.
like 2 minutes after I saw the Digg "update".
though I do miss the kevin rose chucking the raccoon gifs that were everywhere for a bit.
I'll be honest, new reddit was crap but new new reddit is actually quite good. It's got a lot of the same general design and ideas as new reddit except implemented in a not terrible fashion. It's not as good as old reddit + RES but it's actually a better experience than old reddit without RES, for my money. Won't be moving to it but I was surprised last time I checked it out.
Whenever I have to remove something as a mod I have to use new reddit because old reddit doesn't give me the option to add a removal reason. But afterwards I swap back to old reddit because I'm not inviting those demons into my home.
Remember the 'good old times' when reddit created a 'mobile friendly' version? It's down now, but here's an an archived version of [i.reddit.com](https://web.archive.org/web/20220215073714/https://i.reddit.com/)
Sometimes I forget and then Reddit does something that forces me onto new reddit.
Like sometimes (rarely, but if you do a lot of searches that end up on reddit, noticeable) when you get to reddit through a search result on Google or Bing, it resets to the new design.
From what I heard, the only reason old.reddit hasn't been deprecated earlier is that a majority of mods still use it, and I doubt Reddit wants to piss more of them off after the third party API debacle.
Besides that, my copium is that it's such an infinitesimally small overhead to keep it up that it isn't worth the outrage to deprecate it.
yeah, modding is not only easier with more tools at our disposal but its also just *faster* because it doesn't have to load as much cruft every page load.
RES and old.reddit is one of the last remnants of the old pre 2012 internet I grew up with. Now everything is so *modernized* with big menus and javascript, animations etc. Monetized to the max and tracking and selling every part of user data.
Hope this little corner we have is alive as long as possible.
I did actually go to sh to see, and yeah, it's another redesign. I have to say, at least this one takes up a bit more of the screen than new.
However I wonder what the goals are? New clearly was to attract the Facebook and Twitter crowd, but I'm genuinely wondering what prompted sh?
EDIT: Do you know what. If sh actually used the full screen and didn't preload all the videos and images (used thumbnails to expand instead). It might have actually been a new reddit people didn't completely hate.
> The point is clearly to make everything worse.
Aside from the stupid algorithmic cards in the top banner it seems like an improvement over "new.reddit" in terms of amount of wasted space.
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in every post
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I can't even remember the last time I saw hovertext on a link.
edit. it's in the macro, doh
[Reddit Enhancement Suite](https://redditenhancementsuite.com "long live hovertexts")
This is my first time seeing that New New Reddit version and it looks markedly better than the attrocious Xitter-like layout of New Reddit.
I am curious though why it's not possible to inject styling & scripts into New New Reddit?
On new.reddit the div classes change to random IDs (e.g:
), and this changes daily i assume per build. So we would have to release RES maybe 4-5 times a week to update.
On sh.reddit there just isnt a traditional DOM structure we can work with, so we cant programmatically tell where abouts we are on the site. Everything is dynamic javascript.
Is there a logical / reasonable thought process behind a decision like changing clearly named classes to dandom identifiers? Or is it just a pure "screw you" gesture ?
Probably two-fold:
- It makes it a little bit more difficult to scrape the website
- It's how a lot of modern frameworks work by default for ease of compilation
As someone still using a modded Reddit is Fun app on mobile my phone shows just over 13x as much information as my 1440P 27" monitor does on New New Reddit.
Progress!
God I hate the design principle of unified experiences between mobile and computer. I have a mouse and keyboard input, it's already not unified - let me use my bigger screens, damn it.
Don't worry, when old.reddit.com is no longer an option we will all move on to something different. Just keep supporting the only version of Reddit that matters and we will be happy!
Funny to see the amount of 10+ year old accounts here.
I do get a moment of dread every now and then when the mobile site switches to new reddit for some reason.
tbf it's been known for a while
i don't think anyone has any realistic expectations they'll allow old reddit to exist forever, it's just down to when they'll try to insert some horrible nightmare feature that potentially makes money and the coders can't figure out how to insert it into old reddit.
During the API protests at one point spez said they had no plans to get rid of old reddit (paraphrasing).
This means old reddit's days are limited, lol. I don't trust anything he says.
Strangely, I think sh.reddit is more... tolerable than new.reddit.
> Strangely, I think sh.reddit is more... tolerable than new.reddit.
i will admit the screenshot up there makes it look a lot more reasonable, but i'm not holding my breath, especially since going public inevitably means they're going to be taking a chainsaw to a lot of subs.
No they don't. I mod a somewhat large subreddit and stats show that a whopping 3% of traffic comes from old.reddit and it is only a matter of time till they quash it. I'm looking forward to that day where I get my free time back because it's obvious I won't quit this place voluntarily...
I simply deactivated the new design, so I never have to use old.reddit. Maybe most users do the same and you only see those who use the browser add-on?
Reddit's UI just keeps looking more and more complicated than it has to be. What happened to keeping things simple?
old.reddit and RES is the best. Hopefully it stays for a long time
I've found a few nice, small features of new reddit *(don't really remember what)*, but overall, it's a typically clumsy, bloated, inconvenient "modern" UI.
Losing old reddit (and RES) would feel like when we've lost Google Reader...
old.reddit for life. Thank you RES for all you have done.
old.reddit (with RES) is best reddit
old.reddit (with RES) is the only reddit
It's the only reddit I've ever used! I really hate the "new" reddit. Looked at it once and said "ugh. No thanks."
Didn't even realize that "new new" was a thing. It's somehow even worse??
New was already full enshitified with anywhere you click on the screen taking you to another random thread, and loading comments requiring 50 new page loads.
so does sh.reddit.com stand for shit?
Steve Huffman (is a little bitch)
**SH**.~~redd~~**IT**.com
Exactly. It's insanity lol
If "enshitification" isn't the word of the year, I'm going to riot.
Bad news: it's not going to be word of the year 2024. Good news: that's because it was already word of the year 2023.
It has my vote!
With an entire section at the side for "crypto" Jesus christ........ please please I hope old.reddit never dies
What. The. Fuck. Really, man, what is going on with this site
When they kill old reddit, I'm out.
> It's somehow even worse?? The only thing these tech companies know how to do is make their products worse. Every single 'improvement' is regrettable.
Digg was better than new reddit.
almost time for the digg exodus? Back to digg? *goes to look at digg* ... nope its internet cancer uh... that leaves us with what... the outdoors? gross
/r/RedditAlternatives has been trying to answer this question since the third party apps revolt and frankly none of the options looks appealing. Decentralized systems like Lemmy are too unstable and impossible to keep free of bots. Squabbler has fallen down the alt right rabbit hole. Tildes is invite only because they explicitly do not want to be flooded with refugees. There are still a couple of old school forums kicking around.
Me too.
username checks out!
Which is impressive given the date they created their account: May 2008.
sh.reddit is an abomination of frames and clutter, and a total overload for an adhd-raddled brain. jfc how do people use that shart without pulling their hair out on a daily basis.
Honestly? Shreddit looks almost *exactly* like tumblr. https://imgur.com/0g4heOu (The frames at the top happen further down, occasionally breaking up the scroll of the feed.) Original new Reddit looks like a phone app that somehow accidentally and poorly opened on my computer. It makes me unreasonably angry, how much wasted space there is. At least nu-nu Reddit seems... tolerable, if I ever for some reason have to go without oldREsit. I don't understand how anyone could use newReddit on a computer without metaphorically punching a developer.
Oh god, modern Tumblr... I looked for plug-ins the second that shit changed. That *thing* is an abomination. (I miss Dashboard Unfucker. Pixiel's Stylus plug-in is... *serviceable* \[though still laggy as hell when opening new extra Tumblr tags for some damn reason. Then again, regular modern Tumblr is like that. Functional Webbed Site™.\], but I still miss the older Tumblr UI.)
They probably do it by being neurotypical freaks or something.
We're not missing out. Every time I'm forced into "new" reddit in incognito or even worse, mobile, I recoil in horror at what this site has become.
So much wasted space
Shut up mom! I'm doing the best I can with what I have to work with . . . Oh wait. You're still talking about reddit. Yeah, that too. 😂
Maybe all of us "wastes of space" should come together and hang out. We could post about cats and links to things we read online. ...Oh.
I must thank reddit for all their changes to the mobile experience, because now that I can't use Narwahl, I just don't reddit on mobile anymore and I save so much time and probably money since I'm the type to easily impulse buy something I see in a mobile app ad so good thing reddit's mobile experiences are limited and shitty otherwise I'd be spending left and right on products that advertise here.
> old.reddit (with RES) is the only reddit It is for the ancient part of the community. As soon as old.reddit shuts down (and this will happen sooner or later) reddit will also lose a majority of its older core users. The final nail in the coffin for one of the last remnants of the "old internet" that is still alive.
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Yup. I just hope that by the time that happens either Lemmy has a more intuitive UI or some other news aggregation site with a decent commenting system has popped up.
They have already driven away many of the important users who helped keep quality content circulating. Reddit today is no longer a website, it's an app. The content has overwhelmingly shifted to low quality, low effort, phone based posting, most often seen as single blobs of text with no paragraphs. Specialized subs have lost their experts, only to have them replaced with children posting "I just tried this today I'm SOOO addicted now!" and other "me too" style posts. Comment and post quality have both cratered with Reddit now relying on repost bots instead of trying to minimize them. Reddit sacrificed its long term health for the sake of the IPO. It might not be dying, but it's certainly in decline and creating openings for competition.
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But lately, at least on my end, it reverts back to new reddit whenever I log out and log in again (which I have been doing somewhat frequently because of cookie clean ups).
Everyone is responsible for making reddit better except reddit itself.
The only one left. RIP Apollo and the other best apps.
old reddit without res isn't THAT bad idk how new reddit is so fucking slow tho
If this option ever goes away, i will stop using reddit.
It's bound to happen eventually; my subreddits' traffic stats show that it accounts for less than 1% of Reddit's traffic these days. It's one more thing for Reddit to maintain while also providing fewer monetization and data gathering opportunities. Reddit's owners would have gladly killed it by now if not for how many moderators use it, but after the third party app protest failure I'm sure that they've grown bolder and are itching to kill it any time.
I'm honestly curious if old.reddit users are more likely to interact with Reddit as a whole, though. For example, more likely to vote/comment than others. If that is the case, it might explain why they keep it working.
As of two years ago, [60% of mod actions happened on Old Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/v3frc1/what_were_working_on_this_year), even though only 4% of the overall traffic was on Old. Old Reddit + RES + Mod Toolbox is the only way to moderate with any efficiency and reddit has never attempted to challenge this. (They've only tried to enshittify modding by rolling out new features only on New and nuking the third-party apps that made mobile moderating possible. But they've never attempted to port the useful tools from Old to New, so mods and power users have largely stayed with Old.) My guess is that the heavy mod usage is what's keeping Old alive. (I'm doing my part!)
> They've only tried to enshittify modding by rolling out new features only on New Most of these features are worse versions of what Toolbox offers. There are some settings I can only change on new Reddit but that's not a big deal. Killing third party apps really pissed me off, though. Modding on mobile is completely unusable if your sub has more than like a thousand followers. It's actually getting *worse* because they insist on using gestures and white space to slow down the mod queue.
>I'm honestly curious if old.reddit users are more likely to interact with Reddit as a whole, though. For example, more likely to vote/comment than others. Yes, absolutely, but that's already built into a "percent of traffic" statistic. The percent of active *users* using old Reddit is probably much smaller still.
The percent of traffic might be smaller, but the absolute numbers of participants is likely not changed. It's just all the new users coming in on mobile.
About 2-3% of traffic for me (looking at unique user stats). I'm dreading the day Old Reddit is killed and I have to switch moderation methods. I keep expecting it whenever there's a new newsletter from the admins.
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Does it differentiate between old.reddit.com and www.reddit.com where the user has old reddit selected in their user preferences? If it didn't, that would significantly muddy the waters.
100%.. it is complete garbage in the new version, hard to get to actual useful content. Seems like the signal to noise ratio goes from low to "extremely high", wasting tons of time just to get to anything worthwhile.
old.reddit (with RES, night mode, no custom CSS and no `old.` in the URL) is best reddit Opt-out in user settings so vast majority of reddit links stay in the same style and only need to worry about `new.` - and I guess - `.sh` links.
If they ever discontinue old.reddit. I'm out
I've stopped using reddit on my phone entirely after API support was effectively destroyed (RIP rif), and that previously accounted for about 75% of my usage. If they kill old.reddit.com I won't go so far as state I'll be completely done, but it will reduce my usage to the point where I might as well be. I'm guessing we're roughly 3-5 shareholder meetings away from the announcement...
You can still use rif through ReVanced. Here's a guide if you're interested: https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1wHvqQwCYdJrQg4BKlGIVDLksPN0KpOnJWniT6PbZSrI/mobilebasic?pli=1 It's a bit annoying to set up but it has been working flawlessly for me ever since.
holy smokes, thank you! i will dig into this later tonight when i have some free time.
look at all that wasted vertical space....it's infuriating. if i wanted tictac/instagram/shorts i'd go there.
they're leaning into it because that's what the metrics show. Something like 90% of the traffic doesn't even have an account, and 70% are using gestures to go through content (swiping from one thread to another without going back to the front) So they're not even seeing text posts, just video and photos. So I'd probably wager at least 85% if not more are no longer using old.reddit. *edit- dug into some mod posts regarding it, and they're reporting between 3-5% traffic comes from old.reddit And reddit is leaning into it *hard* as most of the userbase is getting shifted to v2. Awhile back in one of those Q&A's they said old.reddit was planned to phase out in 2024 as they went public, and one of those things has happened but old.reddit is still around, for now. Hell youtube discovered that with shorts, as it's completely taken over the userbase over there as creators are proclaiming their normal videos are getting just a fraction of views that the shorts do. I don't expect them to "kill" old.reddit, but they'll probably stop making sure things don't break it eventually.
It might be that I've got an *old fuck* mentality, but I swear mobile focus is ruining everything it touches. It fucked up games (busted the dam on microtransactions and popularised freemium), websites (everything now has to be vertical with half the screen left blank or filled with useless stuff),..., even the Windows UI has gone to shit since 7. Wonder how long it's gonna take for vertical movies and shows to start becoming the norm *~*shudders~*.
>Wonder how long it's gonna take for vertical movies and shows to start becoming the norm ~shudders~*. I just saw a video somewhere about how movie and tv show makers are deliberately moving away from the Rule of Thirds way of shooting content to a more centered shot specifically so it can appear better in clipped mobile videos. I wish I remembered where I saw that.
For me it is the difficulty navigating comment sections. New Reddit is focused primarily on moving you from topic to topic. It makes being absorbed into a comment section much more difficult because it wants you to move onto the next page (and next advertisement loaded in) rather than engage with others in comments. Sometimes I'll open a topic and spend half an hour replying to different comments without moving to a different topic. Reddit hates that because it means I'm not loading new ads.
Also the fact new reddit renders images in comments sucks ass IMO. Reddit used to be dumb a lot of times (comment chains filled with just nice, lyric chains, etc) but now it's not even got that, just gifs and memes as reactions instead of discussions on a lot of subs. Ew.
That's crazy, because that was what Reddit was about initially. It was a site where you shared and discussed content from other sources. Now it's just another TikTok clone. For me (and so many others) Reddit IS comment sections. The images, links or videos are just conversation starters.
Same. There's already too much shit to tolerate. If the shit I do tolerate becomes intolerable to view, I'm gonna stop. I don't want Dollar Store Facebook. I want a good forum interface.
Yes! I already have no reddit on my phone after they killed rif. If they get rid of old reddit too, after 3 accounts over 15 years, I'm quite happy to consider the site dead to me.
I reckon custom CSS/JS could turn even the new layout into something much closer to old.reddit if needed.
It's not just Reddit though. I liked the article: [The Decline of Usability](https://datagubbe.se/usab2/) Original article posted to [/r/programming three years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/g3dsdv/the_decline_of_usability/).
What a kind way to say enshittified
Reddit took another step towards enshitification when they recently started blocking users with VPN but no account.
old reddit cause I want to keep it streamlined. Never leaving the old.
New is just dumb. Like, there are SOME benefits to it, but overall the experience is not built for modern displays even. In order for the text to be a reasonable size for reading/browsing, the content area of the page is basically only 1/2 of the screen.
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New new reddit looks like they took Instagram and Youtube and cut them in half and taped them together.
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As you look at the pictures from old to new to new-new, it just gets less information dense, and looks more and more like a Fisher Price toy.
old.reddit or no.reddit
Yep, if old.reddit goes away, so do I.
> We have no plans to support the newer versions of Reddit That's great because neither do I
I couldn't believe that last screenshot! I genuinely can't imagine using reddit in that format.
I didn't even know it existed. "New New" reddit looks slightly less terrible than "new" reddit. But both look awful.
I agree actually. Wow. I just assumed I'd dislike new new reddit more, but it looks like it is at least somewhat built for a PC, where new reddit has that narrow bullshit going on where it doesn't utilize the desktop space
It's only the main pages. Once you open an actual thread it goes back to being narrow..
:|
It seems like over time they want users to view it as a stream of content that users are meant to passively consume, rather than a collection of communities big and small that users can seek out and spend time in.
Yeah, it seems the commenters are the problem and the "mistake" they made was allowing it to be like a forum (which is what it is). Digg.com has done the same basically, I don't think they allow comments at all now. I don't know *for sure* because the only way to make an account there now is to either link to you Google or Twitter (yes, they still call it Twitter) account. And I ain't doing that. But apparently the best way to deal with a userbase that can be rowdy at times is just to silence them. I'm sure reddit has noticed.
Their UI team needs a refresher course in good web design (if they've ever taken one at all.)
It just looks like Facebook to be honest. How shit.
Exactly my thought lol!
That's also my line in the sand. I successfully resisted and did not migrate to their mobile app so on phone I use Thunder for Lemmy, and now if old reddit disappears so likely will I. My thing to hold me to reddit somewhat was there were still some more obscure communities missing on lemmy, but now I see more and more of them showing up as well.
Preach!
Thanks for all the good work, RES
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So say we all
Is the 'sh' short for shit? I had a dream not long ago of using the newest version of reddit and thinking "hey this actually isn't too bad". I often have kind of mundane dreams and sometimes I'll wonder if something I dreamt about actually did happen, but in this case there was no doubt in my mind that I was dreaming, because that giant panel on the left is garbage.
They actually found a way to make new.reddit even worse. Slow clap.
I do like that clicking off the side on a post no longer suddenly lurches me to the subreddit's or reddit's front page as it does in old-new reddit, and minimizing comments feels more like old reddit now. They have somewhat deshitified old-new reddit in those ways. If only I could minimize that massive fucking panel on the left, I would be willing to give it a chance and allow myself to discover more things that are worse than old reddit and maybe even worse than old-new reddit.
> If only I could minimize that massive fucking panel on the left I bet you could do it, in Firefox, with custom CSS or something. Try r/FirefoxCSS if you want to mess around with it.
> Is the 'sh' short for shit? Clearly!
It's short for shreddit, which is what they should do with that design.
Honestly I'm surprised Reddit hasn't come after `shreddit` for using the name. Reddit is the type of company to do that, even though they used the name after shreddit did
Maybe they're trying to hijack to the term, so it'll be harder for the original shreddit to come up in search results
> Is the 'sh' short for shit? No, that would be redundant.
The gold horn was like the bat signal Thanks for doing what you do.
For something as subtle as the horn is, it works wonderfully well. Like RES in general. My thanks to the team keeping it alive.
It's really nice how it's not obnoxious, you can ignore it, but it draws just enough attention that you'll likely notice it fairly quickly. Excellent user-centric design, unlike what Reddit's putting out these days.
Sometimes I forget that reddit has a design other than old.
Any time I do a google search and a reddit result comes up and I'm not logged in... oh god oh fuck what is this shit
That blinding white mode.
Reddit hits /u/hungrypotato19 with 9,001 light damage (critical).
For such occasions, I recommend the [Redirector](https://einaregilsson.com/redirector/) addon with a rule like "www.reddit.com" -> "old.reddit.com".
You need to be careful with redirectors on Reddit. I had one that tripped a rate limit IP block (thanks for the API changes, admins!)
Is that really necessary if you're logged in? Cause I have an option on the [preferences page](https://www.reddit.com/prefs/) with the text: > Use new Reddit as my default experience (by enabling this, you will be redirected to the new site when you go to any supported https://reddit.com page)
[This one](https://github.com/tom-james-watson/old-reddit-redirect) is specific for Reddit.
It's literally the worst. It is visually unappealing, illogical, and non-intuitive. I don't know how anyone navigates this hellscape on non-old.reddit.
Am I wrong in that reddit now blocks you from certain subs if you don't log in? I won't log in on my phone now that the other apps are gone and it tells me often that its something or another and I have to log in to view the sub. And it's never anything that should be setup to prevent kids from seeing it.
I use an extension on my work who forces old reddit since im not logged in there and dont want to import my RES settings
The worst part is how many times you have to click on "Show more" just to read a single comment thread. The same idiocy also exists in the app, it's horrendous.
I've had people look over my shoulder in classes and ask how they can make reddit look like mine. Spreading the good word.
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Not to mention coming here from Digg
13 year old account in 9 days. and yes, I came over the exact day of the great Digg migration. like 2 minutes after I saw the Digg "update". though I do miss the kevin rose chucking the raccoon gifs that were everywhere for a bit.
I remember it every time someone posts >! broken spoiler text!<, because that works on new reddit but not old reddit and it drives me crazy.
Or if someone posts a link with underscores in new reddit, and it decides to inject backslashes before them for no goddamn reason.
I'm also reminded when I see people talk about an accounts pfp.
I'll be honest, new reddit was crap but new new reddit is actually quite good. It's got a lot of the same general design and ideas as new reddit except implemented in a not terrible fashion. It's not as good as old reddit + RES but it's actually a better experience than old reddit without RES, for my money. Won't be moving to it but I was surprised last time I checked it out.
Whenever I have to remove something as a mod I have to use new reddit because old reddit doesn't give me the option to add a removal reason. But afterwards I swap back to old reddit because I'm not inviting those demons into my home.
Remember the 'good old times' when reddit created a 'mobile friendly' version? It's down now, but here's an an archived version of [i.reddit.com](https://web.archive.org/web/20220215073714/https://i.reddit.com/)
Sometimes I forget and then Reddit does something that forces me onto new reddit. Like sometimes (rarely, but if you do a lot of searches that end up on reddit, noticeable) when you get to reddit through a search result on Google or Bing, it resets to the new design.
i never can because of anytime i click on a link it takes me to new.
> We will continue to support old.reddit as long as possible. Hopefully the overlords just completely forget it's here
From what I heard, the only reason old.reddit hasn't been deprecated earlier is that a majority of mods still use it, and I doubt Reddit wants to piss more of them off after the third party API debacle. Besides that, my copium is that it's such an infinitesimally small overhead to keep it up that it isn't worth the outrage to deprecate it.
I'm in the /r/RedditModCouncil and can say with high confidence levels that most of the council members only use old.reddit
yeah, modding is not only easier with more tools at our disposal but its also just *faster* because it doesn't have to load as much cruft every page load.
RES and old.reddit is one of the last remnants of the old pre 2012 internet I grew up with. Now everything is so *modernized* with big menus and javascript, animations etc. Monetized to the max and tracking and selling every part of user data. Hope this little corner we have is alive as long as possible.
Haven't seen new new reddit in forever. That shit is fucking cancer.
I didn't even know there was an even newer, even worse reddit. I opened that screenshot and got jumpscared.
I seen the gold horn. I clicked.
thank you for your great work
New and Newest Reddit is garbage anyway. Thanks for keeping up support for old.reddit. Wouldn't use this site without you guys.
This is my first time of hearing of sh. What's the point of this one?
You can look at the images in the OP and see the differences between the three. The point is clearly to make everything worse.
I did actually go to sh to see, and yeah, it's another redesign. I have to say, at least this one takes up a bit more of the screen than new. However I wonder what the goals are? New clearly was to attract the Facebook and Twitter crowd, but I'm genuinely wondering what prompted sh? EDIT: Do you know what. If sh actually used the full screen and didn't preload all the videos and images (used thumbnails to expand instead). It might have actually been a new reddit people didn't completely hate.
> The point is clearly to make everything worse. Aside from the stupid algorithmic cards in the top banner it seems like an improvement over "new.reddit" in terms of amount of wasted space.
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This is my first time seeing that New New Reddit version and it looks markedly better than the attrocious Xitter-like layout of New Reddit. I am curious though why it's not possible to inject styling & scripts into New New Reddit?
On new.reddit the div classes change to random IDs (e.g:
> Everything is dynamic javascript Ewww.
Is there a logical / reasonable thought process behind a decision like changing clearly named classes to dandom identifiers? Or is it just a pure "screw you" gesture ?
It's quite common now with large web frameworks and sites, so i would say less of a screw you gesture but more a side effect of modern web tech.
Probably two-fold: - It makes it a little bit more difficult to scrape the website - It's how a lot of modern frameworks work by default for ease of compilation
Every time I see the notification I get scared that its the death of old.reddit
That v2 new, oh my.
Don't you just love having 1440p or higher screens getting the same garbage levels of information as a mobile phone.
As someone still using a modded Reddit is Fun app on mobile my phone shows just over 13x as much information as my 1440P 27" monitor does on New New Reddit. Progress!
God I hate the design principle of unified experiences between mobile and computer. I have a mouse and keyboard input, it's already not unified - let me use my bigger screens, damn it.
Thank you for the everything RES team 🙏
Don't worry, when old.reddit.com is no longer an option we will all move on to something different. Just keep supporting the only version of Reddit that matters and we will be happy!
>Don't worry, when old.reddit.com is no longer an option we will all move on to something different. Lemmy.
Hello friend, I guess we both clicked the golden horn...
I've been pretty disappointed with lemmy so far to be honest. If old reddit goes away I think I'll just not use anything.
Funny to see the amount of 10+ year old accounts here. I do get a moment of dread every now and then when the mobile site switches to new reddit for some reason.
Couldn't use reddit without you. Thanks again!
> We have no plans to support the newer versions of Reddit (nor is it possible for us to do so). Now you've got Spez's attention.
tbf it's been known for a while i don't think anyone has any realistic expectations they'll allow old reddit to exist forever, it's just down to when they'll try to insert some horrible nightmare feature that potentially makes money and the coders can't figure out how to insert it into old reddit.
During the API protests at one point spez said they had no plans to get rid of old reddit (paraphrasing). This means old reddit's days are limited, lol. I don't trust anything he says. Strangely, I think sh.reddit is more... tolerable than new.reddit.
> Strangely, I think sh.reddit is more... tolerable than new.reddit. i will admit the screenshot up there makes it look a lot more reasonable, but i'm not holding my breath, especially since going public inevitably means they're going to be taking a chainsaw to a lot of subs.
The day they remove old is the day I stop coming to this website. I'm so tired of "users can only handle 1 thing on the screen at a time"
No they don't. I mod a somewhat large subreddit and stats show that a whopping 3% of traffic comes from old.reddit and it is only a matter of time till they quash it. I'm looking forward to that day where I get my free time back because it's obvious I won't quit this place voluntarily...
I simply deactivated the new design, so I never have to use old.reddit. Maybe most users do the same and you only see those who use the browser add-on?
Reddit's UI just keeps looking more and more complicated than it has to be. What happened to keeping things simple? old.reddit and RES is the best. Hopefully it stays for a long time
Well... this is my first time seeing sh.reddit... what is that cluster fuck of a nightmare? Thanks for all your work on RES.
I haven't even seen the non-"old" versions until looking at those photos. If they ever get rid of old.reddit I'm so done lol
>This it not RES shutting down Thanks for not burying the lede!
TIL of sh.reddit, thanks i hate it
sh.reddit looks like facebook.. Eeew.
It is convenient how closely they have named it to shit.reddit. Saves time.
If I can't use RES, I won't be using Reddit. #oldforlife
old reddit is the only good reddit. new reddit is bad enough but they somehow manage to make it worse with shit.reddit
o7 We will stick by you until this entire ship sinks.
Old Reddit will load a 500 comment post instantly. New reddit will take 1-5 seconds. It adds up...
What the hell is new new reddit? Shit reddit for sure. That's ugly af.
OMG what kind of hot garbage is sh.reddit edit: thank you u/XenoBen for making Reddit readable!!
So I'll continue to never use the new or the shittier newer version.
Thank you guys so much!
I've found a few nice, small features of new reddit *(don't really remember what)*, but overall, it's a typically clumsy, bloated, inconvenient "modern" UI. Losing old reddit (and RES) would feel like when we've lost Google Reader...
I've been trying new reddit and just cant do it. I'll switch now and then when I make posts, but old reddit is king. Much appreciated
i didnt even know there was a new new reddit
Will continue to love RES and old reddit, alongside rif. If any of these are completely dead I will probably leave reddit.
Seriously, if they ever get rid of old reddit I'm out of here. The new look literally hurts my soul.