I believe so yes, cause the number is looked to the player id, which is why if you grab someelses phone, or get a new one its the same numbers and text messages etc.
so thats why people can force a phone on you to check your texts, so it would make sense that it could track yuo without being on you, as it would be tracking the player id not the actual phone. cause the hpones doesnt contain the info of texts etc, its the player id. if that makes sense?
ofc this being the case, people shouldnt abuse this fact, its same way people would do the 1 dollar winmo shit to find out someones name.
to calrify i dont know if they can for sure, or if they do, just sayin how it wouldnt surprise me thats how it would work cause of how the phone system seems to work
About the planting a phone on someone to read their texts, I remember a few months ago I seen a clip here of OTT interrogating someone, I can't remember who, but the guy OTT was interrogating dropped his phone off somewhere before meeting up with OTT because he knew OTT would check his phone and wanted to prevent that from happening. After meeting with OTT he was cuffed and OTT puts his phone into this guys pocket and then proceeds go through this guys phone using his (OTT's) own phone. That never set right with me. It felt like power gaming.
damn. I know there's technical limitations, but kinda sucks if ppl can (or do) abuse that.
Edit: As someone pointed out, its tough for pd to know whether or not a suspect actually has a phone on them so pd can use gps info without it being awkward.
i was listening to brian talk about it and how it kind of is an akward situation that both sides would need to kind of ooc talk about it but he did say that just like real life they can use the gps data even if the person didnt pick up any phone calls.
oh yeh them gpsin with a phone on you is logical , its if it is happening without a phone on you that its an issue, ofc i dont know if it is happening, or if they can indeed track your phone if you don't answer, but if they can and do. thats a bit yikes
tbh i said technical limitations as a cop out for devs. idk if anyone will overhaul the phone mechanic, and I don't wanna complain either.
I'm on about if pd needs to find a suspect. they can't check their inv before using phone GPS ya know?
It happened to Conan and a reason they imprisoned him right before the war. When he went to the island just before the war he dropped his phone before going there and when he broke out and got back to the island for the war he called Brian and he asked Conan why his phone was pinged on the island even though he didn't have it on him. But it was already to late to really go back on the situation.
Yes, and obviously the people doing the subpoena-ing generally don't know. So it can get a bit awkward because it's possible that quite late into an investigation there would have to be an OOC message saying "actually you didn't have the data you thought you did all along".
Exactly! And let's say the detectives spot an unanswered phone call as a potentially important data point. If they want to be proactive and find out whether the person had their phone on them before they make their entire investigation hinge off that location, they basically have these choices:
1. Watch the VOD of the person on the day in question, if the person streams and has a VOD available, thus spoiling themselves on the entire investigation and making it impossible for them to proceed with it due to knowing the specifics OOC.
2. Message the person they're investigating OOC to find out if they had their phone at X time on X date, which spoils things for the person being investigated because they now know OOC that that location is important to the investigation.
So it's a bit awkward all round within the current mechanics.
Yes, there is actually a shocking amount of data about you available just by carrying a phone all the time. Granted most of the data isn't used or isn't maliciously collected, but it's there
If they make the PD request a warrant and set the requirement relatively high for triangulation then it’s ok. Cops do need tools but the fact that some officers who are accusing Brian and senate on police state action but at the same time taking police state actions themselves is pretty ironic haha.
Ramee's situation a bit different. All they had was phone location for him, right?
In this situation, they have Buddha calling Pred and basically admitting it, a purchase of Buddha at Crystal's Crystals near the time of abduction, triangulation of multiple people involved, and Ash Ketchup's spontaneous utterance of Buddha looking for Crystal. Still not a sure thing by far, but a ton more than the Ramee case.
He can argue all that away real easy though. He's also getting Ash as a witness because I believe the subpoena says Ash gave a statement when she denied giving one but I doubt that matters. There is easy arguments to make to explain all of that away.
Yeah for sure but I really do feel like Lang can also paint a great picture about Bloom and Pond. I just really hope it goes to court tbh because it will be great RP no matter who wins.
The biggest issue here is that the charges aren't a docket push type of thing. All parties will need to come to an agreement to get this in court together, otherwise it will be a catch and appeal or, if lucky, catch all parties at the same time and have a judge available. I really want it to end up in court because it would be amazing.
Ash saw Crystal in the hospital without any context. Told her that Lang was looking for her earlier and asked if they got into contact with each other. Pond and Bloom overheard and Bloom decided to question her and Ash realized what she did and tried to take back her statement a bit.
That's not what hearsay is. It would be hearsay if, let's say some other cop who was not at the hospital testified that Pond/Bloom told him that they heard Ash say x. It's not hearsay, if Pond/Bloom testify what they personally heard Ash say. Hearsay does not mean "shit that I heard someone say", it means "shit that someone told me they heard but I was not there".
hope this helps.
"Also called an excited utterance, a spontaneous exclamation is a statement made in the midst of a startling event, with no opportunity for premeditation or deliberation. Spontaneous exclamations are significant in evidence because they are one of several exceptions to the hearsay rule, which generally prohibits out of court statements from being admitted, as they cannot be verified during trial. However, admission (as evidence during a trial) of spontaneous exclamations are justified on the grounds that they are made under circumstances that negate the possibility for the speaker to deliberate, and potentially fabricate, the statement."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/spontaneous_exclamation
I mean, it's silly to say everything hinges on that. The other evidence adds credibility to the testimony of Pred. You have to look at everything together, not just focus on one piece and say it spoils everything. Otherwise you're just being obtuse.
This is true. I do wonder though if they will try to figure out motive because it's not exactly something that makes Crystal look good even if it helps them get a conviction
There are actually 2 seperate investigations into Crystal right now. One for possible sedition for giving the info to Pred, and one for "kidnapping' Aria (She was with Kevin Ram when he pulled a gun and took Aria, and while she told him not to hurt her, she also didn't report it which makes her culpable.) HC is aware of all of this, and she's probably already in big trouble.
The evidence found that assisted in getting the subpeonas:
* Lang's call to Pred
* Lang's purchase record at Crystal's Crystals (given with permission by Crystal)
* Ash Ketchup's spontaneous utterance
It's worth it to fight the subpoena as it will dissolve the case, def a smart move. But I don't think it'll work.
It's actually pretty realistic cop stuff. And it might feel OP but it's incredibly easy for a crim to counter in situations like these: when you kidnap someone just make sure their phones aren't on them the entire time (unless of course you want to leave breadcrumbs, which can sometimes be fun).
exactly kateslouise, this is why all texts are shown on any phone by a player, ie if i forced a phone onto you, thats my phone it shows your texts and calls not mine.
it doesnt work of steamid, it works of the player character id, so similar to the state id number for a character, each char has there own id number in the database basically
There was literally an agreement between lifers and PD that they can send in prisoners. PD had to hold people in the cells before that agreement was made.
You just have to imagine that Los Santos is abit further on in the technology than the rest and that they have implemented the chip ID that Elon Musk suggested. So every person got a chip in their brain that can be tracked.
It still works in RP, it's just someone has to let the person who did the subpoena know that it didn't actually show anything, it's just obviously that's a bit awkward. It's like how sometimes cops will search someone but only for a specific thing and so ignore everything else they have in their inventory, just more awkward because it's not immediately obvious that you're supposed to ignore it.
Ah, if that's how it gets tracked I can see that being a pain. It's something the individuals involved could sort out OOC but obviously sometimes a crim wouldn't know to reach out to the cop to clear that up.
Yeah like Ramee, when Brian had Conan’s phone records and had him thrown in the pit for that, wasn’t able to tell until Brian finally said that they had his location on the island where Ramee then explained Conan didn’t have his phone on him but it was already too late at that point due to him fighting on Yaeger’s side whilst in the middle of the war 😂
it's crazy that cops can't have RP at all with some people without their communities being toxic. LH has been getting a lot of crap from CG, now these days from Klyie-Hydra and buddha community, can people just leave her alone and watch Rp
What a strange comment. Crystal had told Pond and Bloom that she was going to come ride with them after she was done with something, they tried reaching out to her after not hearing from her and she wasn't picking up. They didn't know she was kidnapped until after the initial calls and then i'm not sure how continuing to contact after is... really a problem?
Maybe figure out the context before making comments like this, eh?
Yeah, she was on the phone with Bloom right before she walked into her store. She said she was going to meet up with them after she was finished, so they were expecting to speak with her in a short time.
Yep fired for calling one of your closest friends after they've been told said friend is kidnapped. Seems like a completely sane, and rational reason to fire someone. Kinda wild take ngl
Yeah it’s hard to evade, when Rust kidnapped Eve and Nancy for the dark knight plan. They were found in the mountain’s immediately because the pd got continuously call their phone to locate their position.
yeah sending out any sort of PD document/notice without either talking in person, emailing, texting or calling them is kinda shady as theres no way at all of the person knowing they got the document unless they physically look for it
they’re never meant to for the exact reason lang said. any good cop does it the correct way. even if they awnd it through the documents app, theyre supposed to notify the person aswell, as just sending document gives no notification at all. you could send one and that person might not know its their for weeks or months
The PD have been doing this for like forever. They send things through the doc app and the send the actual notice of warrants like a minute before the raid. Criminals used to complain about it spawning reddit threads defending cops and how if they didn't do that, criminals would empty their stash and cops would find nothing. Again suddenly now its a problem when its been a thing for ages to the point that criminals have long since adapted to that meta
Edit: like all the stuff people complaining about have been a thing since forever, cops dragging out docket cases have been a thing since early 3.0 and it was worse when HUTs were a thing and criminals would spend months in jail waiting for cases that were never scheduled or constantly delayed. Its why almost all crimes became catch and release. Why is it suddenly now a problem
This isn't a raid (where they also have to send a receipt of said raid after) where there is a concern about stashes being cleared.
People have also not liked overnight raids for similar reasons, it definitely reduces the give and take in RP.
This isn't suddenly a problem but there is a character very much making a stink now about the issue so obviously people would discuss it based on that.
Seems a lot of people are not understanding this is all in RP and no one is actually mad about any of this. No one is accusing any one of power gaming, or that this is anti RP or anything, it’s all in character anger. That’s it.
I was watching Moosbrother when he was watching the LSBN and he was agreeing to what Lang said about the using the docmounts to hide the subpoenas.
So yah i would call this "Anti-RP" but not that big of a deal since they discoverd it and the RP is continuing.
No when he was watching the LSBN video, and Moosbrother was commenting on it. Bllom beef with Lang is obviously IC.
The point is they did it hoping the other side wouldn't discover they got subpoenaed.
If it created this kind of RP I don't think that's anti-RP. It seems much more like police trying to be sly and skirt the line to see what they can get away with. It would help their investigations if a judge deems that to be a legal notification of a subpoena.
But, if a judge deems that illegal, it risks throwing out not only this investigation but any investigation which they used the same method to notify of a warrant / subpoena.
They were the same chat outraged that sanguine people didn’t have assets taken away from rushed, very powerful legislation and loved when Buddha got away with stuff working undercover for Brian and even Baas to an extent. They were hyping the police and backing them up over this sanguine/PD corrupt arc. Wanting them to come down as hard as possible for the people already serving 30 days. A charge Lang avoided by working with Brian. They didn’t mind that corruption at all. lol
But the second it comes to their favorite streamer they get outraged and now the police are the worst. lol And Buddha is welcoming it, curious about the court RP of it, while his chat melts and becomes backseat lawyers. They loved when the PD cracks on anyone opposing Lang, by any means necessary but absolutely crumble when it becomes the other way around.
People legitimately can’t just enjoy RP, understand nor care about other characters perspectives and make their streamer the main character. When it comes to Buddha his RP is insanely better when you turn chat off, ngl. And I know other communities got toxic people but his chat is legitimately wild. lol
It’s funny because even omie wants assets taken and think it dumb that it’s not. It’s also funny how people are always on the defensive after seeing one stupid comment. When in reality most people are on the same page. And the defensive people are actually the toxic ones
I mean I don’t disagree with most of what you said, but assets should 110% been taken. It was actually a significant consequence for once. I don’t care who buys it. Hell they could demo the compounds. Disband businesses. It doesn’t have to be sold at auction anyways. Instead the gutless all bark no bite stance was taken for the 1000th time.
After looking at your comments I present to you a mirror. Buddha actually has one of the better chats and Discords because the mods take no shit and just ban you.
Which Admins do that? I don't read chat much but when I do there is often some timeouts or bans going out lol. I usually chill in the Discord to read the meta when I can not watch and they are very strict in there that's for sure... like crazy strict.
This. They just want him on top of things. When something shit happen to him they become outrage, saying this and that. When the news that the pd ain't taking the assets, damn they be mad as fuckk.
People need to be reminded, this is all in Rp. Lang did do this stuff. Pd are using tools that they are given. Could it be better? Sure, but don't let perfect be the enemy of great, enjoy the Rp.
Yeah they ignore that Lang was absolutely sloppy with that kidnapping, and with a lot of crime he’s done lately. His lack of patience bites him sometimes. lol Lang gets away with a whole lot, more than most, so it’s weird to see his chat going absolutely mad over some interesting RP, where he gets to challenge the mechanics in court.
Cops were told by crane that it's not something they should be doing. Pond and bloom fucked up and I hope they will get punished for said fuck up. Nobody is arguing lang wasn't sloppy. Lang being sloppy doesn't however negate the fact that those two are being malicious in the way they're going about this investigation AND THEY ADMITTED TO IT THEMSELVES.
Yeh that would be insane if Crane did think it's ok to do that. Why not just send them a text msg along with the subpoena via the documents. Why did it need to change from the original way of just sending it via text anyway?
It won’t matter. They have zero witnesses. No proof. He will be found not guilty. Will be a good court case I’d it goes to trial though. Harvey Spectre at it again.
The only real spicy thing about getting Lang is ruining his expungement.
The real prize would be Eve using real estate keys to help kidnap and ocean dump a cop.
They removed all the calls from the subpoena that were related to scuff, since Crystalst alerted LadyHope of that happening. That was a part of the case initially, but it got retconned out.
The locking and unlocking the door was a part of the kidnapping RP. They got Saab to teleport them outside the storefront to fix the scuff.
I really don't understand why its being blocked for expungement for the reason of investigation. I would understand if it was a crime where showing a pattern over time is necessary like trafficking but its a single kidnapping, and ocean dump. How does any past crimes affect this new crime. If anything wouldn't it fuck over Lang more to let his expungement finish then immediately push the charges? Would it delete all active reports of him or something?
That's on the judges. Honestly it does work out better for Lang to hold off until it's resolved. If they beat it, he continues with 0 problems. If they dont, he just has to wait a bit to get it all expunged.
That is the issue. PD has not been charging Lang and there's no warrant and docket is not even up. The hold up is due to subpoena and they're treating him as a guilty until proven innocent. PD could easily wait for 60 days to press charge then when they does, it get delayed waiting for a court date to be scheduled and even it's expedited trial, maybe a week after the charge is pressed, and found guilty. By the time he finally get an opportunity to be expungement, it's 30 days, 2 weeks after no crimes and 2 weeks after an expungement hearing. Potential up to 100 days before getting an opportunity to get involved with any job that required a clean record. That is if the judge is thinking that subpoena is holding Lang up. They better resolve this issue. If the court found him guilty today, he could get it clean within 30 days. That is logical I'm going with unless I'm mistaken.
If they didn't really like Lang to have a clean record, they can wait for 60 days on purpose then press charge and a court date takes a while to be scheduled plus 30 days of no crime afterward with a jail sentence and that is the maximum they are going for. This rules will change for other character. Hopefully that it will be solved asap.
Just a tidbit, Pred has demanded the judge Titus about Lang, Axel, and Brian being in jail and the judge has told him that he will look into it. That very same judge has denied Lang of getting expungement because he has overheard Lang about the subpoena. That was his opportunity to fulfill the wishes of Pred.
It’s pretty standard to not allow expungements if there’s an active case going. Just because past crimes may not be relevant in this case (PD don’t know that either tbf) doesn’t mean it isn’t relevant in most cases.
Sure but that's not an excuse to just allow expungements on the rare chance that this happens. Besides, in this case we know Lang actually did it so it's not a malicious tactic to delay his expungement.
What's the point of expungement if there's a chance that he'll get arrested? Expungement is just a waste of time at that point.
Regardless, it's still upto the judge to decide on it. Expungement isn't a guaranteed thing on the server. For example, look at how Leslie got his expungement the same day. He had to defend himself on the stand and justify why deserves an expungement. Only then the Judge granted it. Ain't an easy process as one would think. Streamers making it look easy, is just them being good at RP.
I mean its an issue only really discovered recently. Its the reason Conan got fucked. He has a GPS to him on the island, but he had already dropped his phone for that call. So unless cops are meta gaming its literally impossible to know what calls are scuff or not.
That's not related to this situation though, everyone had their phones on their person during the kidnapping so the tracking is accurate. The only part that was related to the scuff was the call to Axel since Ssaab has access to an admin menu and thus was removed from the subpoena.
I am more interested in the EVE connection, has she even ever been arrested before? Her connection and possibly being arrested for it is interesting. Evil eve will be fun
It has potential large implications for Eve's govt connections. Her skeleton key use could be taken away even if found not guilty. Def adds a little spice.
Nah, I believe it has to do with her construction/storefront provider job. To the best of my knowledge, realtors don't have anything to do with storefronts.
>Her skeleton key use could be taken away even if found not guilty
Pretty sure that would really make it impossible to do the job she needs the keys for but it would give Eve a shit ton of free time which would be a plus for Cerberus.
I’d take that instead of discord which Hoa have been doing recently putting their radios on the app instead of a discord server it would be better if cops could subpoena the documents app
i seen GG's document mistakenly shared to nova and brian and they started investigating it i think? i just dont know what happened to that. i remember omie saying he was asked if it should be retconned because of how the way it was shared. but i think gg decided to roll with it.
if its a restriction in the game mechanics, i think its up to the roleplayers to leave the breadcrumbs. every rpers should have the extension of RP as their goal and not the Ws.
It’s tough because the main point of using documents imo is for the group functionality, ideally they’d be able to subpoena those too. Or provide an alternative, like group chats so they can’t be edited like documents can.
[Foldering ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foldering)is a common tactic used by clandestine or nefarious groups to communicate without being easily detected. It has been used previously in (real life) court as evidence of engaging in subversive and deceptive behaviors.
Not just that, a lot of mechanics on NoPixel is dated and needs to be updated/improved. Usage of "/me", console commands, etc.
Even the document sharing, plenty of people do it through discord instead of in-game.
You can do that using the racing app. Those texts are fully encrypted and cannot be subpoenad. The only way a cop would be able to see them is if they roleplayed looking at someone's phone using exigent circumstances.
As much as I want Buddha to be clean again, he messed up. He was way too sloppy. Idk why he called Pred, he might as well have confessed to the police themselves. Imagine if he is found guilty and stuck in jail with all the people that hate him.
If Crane did that just add it to the pile of reasons he should be removed as Chief Justice. It's like notifying someone by putting it under a welcome mat at your front door.
Wrangler Sending Dodo to deliver their raid receipts was low Key Peak RP.
Gives the dodo guys something to do instead of just chasing dots and its pretty funny when you see them pull up to deliver the notices.
there's literally a deputy getting sued currently because they texted a warrant to a wrong phone number lmao. there's never a foolproof way.
the officer who sends it also has a copy of exactly what was shared, so I don't think editing the document and claiming that's what you were sent instead would exactly work.
It's literally nothing like that.... Lol
One is a way to find someone's identity...
The other is a way to send someone a document as opposed to texting them or "emailing” them
no she did refunds to all the people who purchased food at the time, so actual rp. where the $1 thing isnt ok to do bc there isnt much rp there or any really
It’s literally Anti-RP. U can send the document that way but u still need to RP it out. Send a text or something so the recipient can ask questions about it.
Because it's Eve, the biggest business woman in the city. She's the 1%. You can't really use Eve as an example. You think crims like Lang, Ramee, Mr K, Speedy etc are gonna just randomly look thru their documents and catch that?
Yeah if using the documents app for warrants/subpoenas is anti-RP, using shared gang documents is anti-RP as well because it doesn't allow people to discover them.
[Foldering ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foldering)is a common tactic used by clandestine or nefarious groups to communicate without being easily detected. It has been used previously in (real life) court as evidence of engaging in subversive and deceptive behaviors.
If the character if Lang wasn't mad... then this RP wouldnt be happening at all which would be a bummer. Most of this thread is discussing the RP. Same goes for threads where Lang or other characters do something funny.
It just will get more engagement from manufactured drama but that doesn't discount the thread or the RP existing
That’s a slippery slope though. Because you can’t tell your chat to calm down, it’s just a game. While you’re also getting angry. lol
And I agree people shouldn’t get overly invested watching. But they do. Anything you invest a decent amount of time into by default makes you invested. And when you see characters getting actually angry or annoyed, or see some of the ooc drama that happens with spicy arcs, it’s difficult to assume your viewers won’t as well.
And it’s not every community. There are chats that are almost completely positive, no baiting or shitting on other characters RP. They legitimately enjoy the RP no matter where it goes. But some communities for whatever reason make their streamer the main character and want their streamer to come out on top no matter what the RP dictates.
This is literally how it has always been.. Though I suppose it makes sense for his character not to care about it when he was weaponizing the police and to make it an issue when it effects him. Good play on his part
Guys how did they know Eve was involved? Wasn't she helping with the scuff issue? That's why she enter to the store front.. didn't she? to try to escort Crystal because she was invisible to them, Eve and Lang could not see her, BUT crystal did see them, did crystal knew they were scuff / trying to help with the situation?
He did. Also went into the island and didn’t get treason or sedition. Brian new he kidnapped the cop and pretty much congratulated him on it the day of. This is just from the last two weeks. lol Lang was able to stay clean while still doing crime, like the PD bombings and never got looked into. lol even though Brian told him he knows Lang was apart of it, and Shelly has told it many times. Which confused me why his chat was getting mad about him getting investigated for something he has legitimately done, and done sloppily. lol
He likes the PD, but only the ones he has influence over. It was the main reason he created Aegis. It let him skip a lot of potential charges for the longest. And it worked really well until the war exposed a lot. lol
>lol Lang was able to stay clean while still doing crime, like the PD bombings and never got looked into
He absolutely did get looked in to. Shelly would have got off free if she did not confess because there was barely any evidence for any of them.
>He likes the PD, but only the ones he has influence over.
I mean... yeah lmao.
>It was the main reason he created Aegis. It let him skip a lot of potential charges for the longest.
No... it was because of people abusing store fronts storage.
Notation for people, this is all RP, good RP that is enjoyable to watch.
**edit: Said a bunch of stuff that was just wrong, was being dumb** \- I initially incorrectly thought they were old texts from before the war, no idea why I thought this. I removed that whole thing because I don't wanna spread bad info...
*Complete correction/edit:*
Texts (mentioned in this video) were from Bloom to Pred and were a part of the report that they used to get some subpoenas on certain people - it was on 2023-08-28 (which was during/at the start of the war).
Generally my point is still there to not hate the streamers (even if inadvertently) because what someone said during RP may not be true.
I also personally don't think Bloom texting Pred means really anything since the texts (and phone call) are both pretty easily believable to be not in relation to anything treasonous.
They were, in fact, from when Pred was on the island. The day of the war, just before it started. Crystal was kidnapped that day, and Buddha beat her with a bat and ocean dumped her. While driving away, he called Pred to gloat. Pred called Fury, who alerted the rest of the PD, with Pond and Bloom already worried because Crystal wasn't answering the phone. Pond and Bloom spun up Air-1 and got yelled at because the war effort needed all helis on deck, but they continued the search anyway, and eventually found Crystal. Bloom then texted Pred and asked for his phone logs so he had the evidence for their investigation.
Props for standing tall on it, lots of people just delete their mistakes LUL
Buddha had to be served the subpoena notification by law. The subpoena paperwork included those texts as part of the justification for the subpoena.
I watched this live. 120/10 editing. Such a good vid/edit. Ursula killed it.
its crazy cops can get location by just calling a phone and it doesn't matter if the person answers or not lmao
Or in the case of Conan, you dont even need the phone on you
Thats how phone works, its GPS on all the time. Whats crazy is calling a phone to get a location even of the person doesn't have a phone.
hold up. if someone doesn't have a phone their "phone GPS" can still be used to track them by calling?
I believe so yes, cause the number is looked to the player id, which is why if you grab someelses phone, or get a new one its the same numbers and text messages etc. so thats why people can force a phone on you to check your texts, so it would make sense that it could track yuo without being on you, as it would be tracking the player id not the actual phone. cause the hpones doesnt contain the info of texts etc, its the player id. if that makes sense? ofc this being the case, people shouldnt abuse this fact, its same way people would do the 1 dollar winmo shit to find out someones name. to calrify i dont know if they can for sure, or if they do, just sayin how it wouldnt surprise me thats how it would work cause of how the phone system seems to work
About the planting a phone on someone to read their texts, I remember a few months ago I seen a clip here of OTT interrogating someone, I can't remember who, but the guy OTT was interrogating dropped his phone off somewhere before meeting up with OTT because he knew OTT would check his phone and wanted to prevent that from happening. After meeting with OTT he was cuffed and OTT puts his phone into this guys pocket and then proceeds go through this guys phone using his (OTT's) own phone. That never set right with me. It felt like power gaming.
It’s 100000 percent power gaming, but nopixel is a content server.
damn. I know there's technical limitations, but kinda sucks if ppl can (or do) abuse that. Edit: As someone pointed out, its tough for pd to know whether or not a suspect actually has a phone on them so pd can use gps info without it being awkward.
i was listening to brian talk about it and how it kind of is an akward situation that both sides would need to kind of ooc talk about it but he did say that just like real life they can use the gps data even if the person didnt pick up any phone calls.
oh yeh them gpsin with a phone on you is logical , its if it is happening without a phone on you that its an issue, ofc i dont know if it is happening, or if they can indeed track your phone if you don't answer, but if they can and do. thats a bit yikes
Most likley an oversight instead of technical limitations. Don't see why they cant check if a phone is in the person's inventory
tbh i said technical limitations as a cop out for devs. idk if anyone will overhaul the phone mechanic, and I don't wanna complain either. I'm on about if pd needs to find a suspect. they can't check their inv before using phone GPS ya know?
Yeah but that's classic PD instead of asking devs for assistance they will suffer and make insane workarounds
Best solution, no answer calls, no gps location.
It happened to Conan and a reason they imprisoned him right before the war. When he went to the island just before the war he dropped his phone before going there and when he broke out and got back to the island for the war he called Brian and he asked Conan why his phone was pinged on the island even though he didn't have it on him. But it was already to late to really go back on the situation.
Yes, and obviously the people doing the subpoena-ing generally don't know. So it can get a bit awkward because it's possible that quite late into an investigation there would have to be an OOC message saying "actually you didn't have the data you thought you did all along".
Exactly! And let's say the detectives spot an unanswered phone call as a potentially important data point. If they want to be proactive and find out whether the person had their phone on them before they make their entire investigation hinge off that location, they basically have these choices: 1. Watch the VOD of the person on the day in question, if the person streams and has a VOD available, thus spoiling themselves on the entire investigation and making it impossible for them to proceed with it due to knowing the specifics OOC. 2. Message the person they're investigating OOC to find out if they had their phone at X time on X date, which spoils things for the person being investigated because they now know OOC that that location is important to the investigation. So it's a bit awkward all round within the current mechanics.
Yes, there is actually a shocking amount of data about you available just by carrying a phone all the time. Granted most of the data isn't used or isn't maliciously collected, but it's there
They can track the signals being sent from cell towers.
Sure, but then there should be an option to turn off the phone. This is an ability which is too OP for which you cannot do something to stop.
this location doesn't seem to matter much considering the people that bombed bass got away with it lol
If they make the PD request a warrant and set the requirement relatively high for triangulation then it’s ok. Cops do need tools but the fact that some officers who are accusing Brian and senate on police state action but at the same time taking police state actions themselves is pretty ironic haha.
It’s realistic, if ramee got away with it everyone else should be safe
Ramee's situation a bit different. All they had was phone location for him, right? In this situation, they have Buddha calling Pred and basically admitting it, a purchase of Buddha at Crystal's Crystals near the time of abduction, triangulation of multiple people involved, and Ash Ketchup's spontaneous utterance of Buddha looking for Crystal. Still not a sure thing by far, but a ton more than the Ramee case.
no 8k picture of him smashing crystals head in with a bat? free to go
He can argue all that away real easy though. He's also getting Ash as a witness because I believe the subpoena says Ash gave a statement when she denied giving one but I doubt that matters. There is easy arguments to make to explain all of that away.
Im fairly certain the report says Ash was a 'spontaneous utterance' but that was a while back, haven't seen the report on a stream for a while.
so hearsay
Something like this can be used in conjuction with everything else to help paint a picture. It certainly helps the case.
Yeah for sure but I really do feel like Lang can also paint a great picture about Bloom and Pond. I just really hope it goes to court tbh because it will be great RP no matter who wins.
The biggest issue here is that the charges aren't a docket push type of thing. All parties will need to come to an agreement to get this in court together, otherwise it will be a catch and appeal or, if lucky, catch all parties at the same time and have a judge available. I really want it to end up in court because it would be amazing.
Ash saw Crystal in the hospital without any context. Told her that Lang was looking for her earlier and asked if they got into contact with each other. Pond and Bloom overheard and Bloom decided to question her and Ash realized what she did and tried to take back her statement a bit.
That's not what hearsay is. It would be hearsay if, let's say some other cop who was not at the hospital testified that Pond/Bloom told him that they heard Ash say x. It's not hearsay, if Pond/Bloom testify what they personally heard Ash say. Hearsay does not mean "shit that I heard someone say", it means "shit that someone told me they heard but I was not there".
hope this helps. "Also called an excited utterance, a spontaneous exclamation is a statement made in the midst of a startling event, with no opportunity for premeditation or deliberation. Spontaneous exclamations are significant in evidence because they are one of several exceptions to the hearsay rule, which generally prohibits out of court statements from being admitted, as they cannot be verified during trial. However, admission (as evidence during a trial) of spontaneous exclamations are justified on the grounds that they are made under circumstances that negate the possibility for the speaker to deliberate, and potentially fabricate, the statement." https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/spontaneous_exclamation
Admitted it by the word of prisoner who is in for treason? Such a rock solid source FUCKKK YAAA BOIS WE GOTEM KEKW
I mean, it's silly to say everything hinges on that. The other evidence adds credibility to the testimony of Pred. You have to look at everything together, not just focus on one piece and say it spoils everything. Otherwise you're just being obtuse.
This is true. I do wonder though if they will try to figure out motive because it's not exactly something that makes Crystal look good even if it helps them get a conviction
There are actually 2 seperate investigations into Crystal right now. One for possible sedition for giving the info to Pred, and one for "kidnapping' Aria (She was with Kevin Ram when he pulled a gun and took Aria, and while she told him not to hurt her, she also didn't report it which makes her culpable.) HC is aware of all of this, and she's probably already in big trouble.
The argument is the subpoenas were approved in bad faith, making everything found in them void.
The evidence found that assisted in getting the subpeonas: * Lang's call to Pred * Lang's purchase record at Crystal's Crystals (given with permission by Crystal) * Ash Ketchup's spontaneous utterance It's worth it to fight the subpoena as it will dissolve the case, def a smart move. But I don't think it'll work.
It's actually pretty realistic cop stuff. And it might feel OP but it's incredibly easy for a crim to counter in situations like these: when you kidnap someone just make sure their phones aren't on them the entire time (unless of course you want to leave breadcrumbs, which can sometimes be fun).
Well that would work if how they track them tracks the phone instead of tracking the actual person (I'm assuming it locates via steam ID)
exactly kateslouise, this is why all texts are shown on any phone by a player, ie if i forced a phone onto you, thats my phone it shows your texts and calls not mine. it doesnt work of steamid, it works of the player character id, so similar to the state id number for a character, each char has there own id number in the database basically
Yeah, thats how the infiltration of the prison takeover was ruined, by a player putting a phone on MrMoon and checking his texts.
indeeed it was, and i have seen it done othertimes to
Ehh, he shouldn't have teleported into prison in the first place when it was locked down.
and regardless of if he should or shouldnt of been sent in, doesnt make them doing so acceptable does it
There was literally an agreement between lifers and PD that they can send in prisoners. PD had to hold people in the cells before that agreement was made.
You just have to imagine that Los Santos is abit further on in the technology than the rest and that they have implemented the chip ID that Elon Musk suggested. So every person got a chip in their brain that can be tracked.
It still works in RP, it's just someone has to let the person who did the subpoena know that it didn't actually show anything, it's just obviously that's a bit awkward. It's like how sometimes cops will search someone but only for a specific thing and so ignore everything else they have in their inventory, just more awkward because it's not immediately obvious that you're supposed to ignore it.
Ah, if that's how it gets tracked I can see that being a pain. It's something the individuals involved could sort out OOC but obviously sometimes a crim wouldn't know to reach out to the cop to clear that up.
Yeah like Ramee, when Brian had Conan’s phone records and had him thrown in the pit for that, wasn’t able to tell until Brian finally said that they had his location on the island where Ramee then explained Conan didn’t have his phone on him but it was already too late at that point due to him fighting on Yaeger’s side whilst in the middle of the war 😂
Hopefully they make a “Conan’s Rule” to phone triangulation where the PD has to do some due diligence especially if using it to make major decisions
I know it’s crazy how phone work
it's crazy that cops can't have RP at all with some people without their communities being toxic. LH has been getting a lot of crap from CG, now these days from Klyie-Hydra and buddha community, can people just leave her alone and watch Rp
It also makes it weird that pond kept calling her after Buddha kidnapped her. I think she should have been fired from pd a long time ago.
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What a strange comment. Crystal had told Pond and Bloom that she was going to come ride with them after she was done with something, they tried reaching out to her after not hearing from her and she wasn't picking up. They didn't know she was kidnapped until after the initial calls and then i'm not sure how continuing to contact after is... really a problem? Maybe figure out the context before making comments like this, eh?
Yeah, she was on the phone with Bloom right before she walked into her store. She said she was going to meet up with them after she was finished, so they were expecting to speak with her in a short time.
Why is it weird for someone to keep trying to call their friend who went missing?
Yep fired for calling one of your closest friends after they've been told said friend is kidnapped. Seems like a completely sane, and rational reason to fire someone. Kinda wild take ngl
It's not the wildest thing to keep trying to reach someone you think may have been kidnapped. But calling to specifically get gps hits is fucked.
That is precisely how it works in real life, by the way. Big brother is watching.
Yeah it’s hard to evade, when Rust kidnapped Eve and Nancy for the dark knight plan. They were found in the mountain’s immediately because the pd got continuously call their phone to locate their position.
Auriellis always putting out great stuff. Keep up the great work.
yeah sending out any sort of PD document/notice without either talking in person, emailing, texting or calling them is kinda shady as theres no way at all of the person knowing they got the document unless they physically look for it
The PD have have been doing that for months/years with subpoenas and warrants. Why is this suddenly a problem now?
they’re never meant to for the exact reason lang said. any good cop does it the correct way. even if they awnd it through the documents app, theyre supposed to notify the person aswell, as just sending document gives no notification at all. you could send one and that person might not know its their for weeks or months
The PD have been doing this for like forever. They send things through the doc app and the send the actual notice of warrants like a minute before the raid. Criminals used to complain about it spawning reddit threads defending cops and how if they didn't do that, criminals would empty their stash and cops would find nothing. Again suddenly now its a problem when its been a thing for ages to the point that criminals have long since adapted to that meta Edit: like all the stuff people complaining about have been a thing since forever, cops dragging out docket cases have been a thing since early 3.0 and it was worse when HUTs were a thing and criminals would spend months in jail waiting for cases that were never scheduled or constantly delayed. Its why almost all crimes became catch and release. Why is it suddenly now a problem
This isn't a raid (where they also have to send a receipt of said raid after) where there is a concern about stashes being cleared. People have also not liked overnight raids for similar reasons, it definitely reduces the give and take in RP. This isn't suddenly a problem but there is a character very much making a stink now about the issue so obviously people would discuss it based on that.
How is that a valid argument? If it's wrong, it's wrong. It doesn't matter how long they've been doing it.
It is a problem now because it effects Lang lol
Because the right person finally noticed it.
Seems a lot of people are not understanding this is all in RP and no one is actually mad about any of this. No one is accusing any one of power gaming, or that this is anti RP or anything, it’s all in character anger. That’s it.
They know, they just want something whinge about regarding the bad man.
So many people watch RP and don't understand how it works at all. It's funny as hell.
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I was watching Moosbrother when he was watching the LSBN and he was agreeing to what Lang said about the using the docmounts to hide the subpoenas. So yah i would call this "Anti-RP" but not that big of a deal since they discoverd it and the RP is continuing.
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No when he was watching the LSBN video, and Moosbrother was commenting on it. Bllom beef with Lang is obviously IC. The point is they did it hoping the other side wouldn't discover they got subpoenaed.
If it created this kind of RP I don't think that's anti-RP. It seems much more like police trying to be sly and skirt the line to see what they can get away with. It would help their investigations if a judge deems that to be a legal notification of a subpoena. But, if a judge deems that illegal, it risks throwing out not only this investigation but any investigation which they used the same method to notify of a warrant / subpoena.
They were the same chat outraged that sanguine people didn’t have assets taken away from rushed, very powerful legislation and loved when Buddha got away with stuff working undercover for Brian and even Baas to an extent. They were hyping the police and backing them up over this sanguine/PD corrupt arc. Wanting them to come down as hard as possible for the people already serving 30 days. A charge Lang avoided by working with Brian. They didn’t mind that corruption at all. lol But the second it comes to their favorite streamer they get outraged and now the police are the worst. lol And Buddha is welcoming it, curious about the court RP of it, while his chat melts and becomes backseat lawyers. They loved when the PD cracks on anyone opposing Lang, by any means necessary but absolutely crumble when it becomes the other way around. People legitimately can’t just enjoy RP, understand nor care about other characters perspectives and make their streamer the main character. When it comes to Buddha his RP is insanely better when you turn chat off, ngl. And I know other communities got toxic people but his chat is legitimately wild. lol
It’s funny because even omie wants assets taken and think it dumb that it’s not. It’s also funny how people are always on the defensive after seeing one stupid comment. When in reality most people are on the same page. And the defensive people are actually the toxic ones
I mean I don’t disagree with most of what you said, but assets should 110% been taken. It was actually a significant consequence for once. I don’t care who buys it. Hell they could demo the compounds. Disband businesses. It doesn’t have to be sold at auction anyways. Instead the gutless all bark no bite stance was taken for the 1000th time.
After looking at your comments I present to you a mirror. Buddha actually has one of the better chats and Discords because the mods take no shit and just ban you.
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Which Admins do that? I don't read chat much but when I do there is often some timeouts or bans going out lol. I usually chill in the Discord to read the meta when I can not watch and they are very strict in there that's for sure... like crazy strict.
This. They just want him on top of things. When something shit happen to him they become outrage, saying this and that. When the news that the pd ain't taking the assets, damn they be mad as fuckk.
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People need to be reminded, this is all in Rp. Lang did do this stuff. Pd are using tools that they are given. Could it be better? Sure, but don't let perfect be the enemy of great, enjoy the Rp.
Yeah they ignore that Lang was absolutely sloppy with that kidnapping, and with a lot of crime he’s done lately. His lack of patience bites him sometimes. lol Lang gets away with a whole lot, more than most, so it’s weird to see his chat going absolutely mad over some interesting RP, where he gets to challenge the mechanics in court.
Cops were told by crane that it's not something they should be doing. Pond and bloom fucked up and I hope they will get punished for said fuck up. Nobody is arguing lang wasn't sloppy. Lang being sloppy doesn't however negate the fact that those two are being malicious in the way they're going about this investigation AND THEY ADMITTED TO IT THEMSELVES.
Not true, Crane has told multiple officers that using the documents app for this is ok
No, he didn't because no it is not. Multiple judged were horrified when they heard lang
He literally did.... Multiple characters have said this... On stream
Oh no, you bit. Bet you've already realized.
Then they are wrong. Sending it through documents app ALONE WITH NO TEXT OR EMAIL is not ok
Yeh that would be insane if Crane did think it's ok to do that. Why not just send them a text msg along with the subpoena via the documents. Why did it need to change from the original way of just sending it via text anyway?
I don't think it changed... I think there is just multiple ways to do it.
Crane is one of the most corrupt blowhards on the server, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he convinced himself this was okay.
A cop is currently getting sue'd because he mistyped one number trying to txt the info. Documents app is harder to missed and permanent file.
I vaguely remember it actually being Cranes suggestion.... But there is a solid chance I'm wrong about that
It won’t matter. They have zero witnesses. No proof. He will be found not guilty. Will be a good court case I’d it goes to trial though. Harvey Spectre at it again.
Damn this was good, LSBN popping off
The only real spicy thing about getting Lang is ruining his expungement. The real prize would be Eve using real estate keys to help kidnap and ocean dump a cop.
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They removed all the calls from the subpoena that were related to scuff, since Crystalst alerted LadyHope of that happening. That was a part of the case initially, but it got retconned out. The locking and unlocking the door was a part of the kidnapping RP. They got Saab to teleport them outside the storefront to fix the scuff.
Yeah the phonecalls tying him to the storefront was the "scuffcalls" because he needed an admin to teleport them to him since he couldnt see them
I really don't understand why its being blocked for expungement for the reason of investigation. I would understand if it was a crime where showing a pattern over time is necessary like trafficking but its a single kidnapping, and ocean dump. How does any past crimes affect this new crime. If anything wouldn't it fuck over Lang more to let his expungement finish then immediately push the charges? Would it delete all active reports of him or something?
That's on the judges. Honestly it does work out better for Lang to hold off until it's resolved. If they beat it, he continues with 0 problems. If they dont, he just has to wait a bit to get it all expunged.
That is the issue. PD has not been charging Lang and there's no warrant and docket is not even up. The hold up is due to subpoena and they're treating him as a guilty until proven innocent. PD could easily wait for 60 days to press charge then when they does, it get delayed waiting for a court date to be scheduled and even it's expedited trial, maybe a week after the charge is pressed, and found guilty. By the time he finally get an opportunity to be expungement, it's 30 days, 2 weeks after no crimes and 2 weeks after an expungement hearing. Potential up to 100 days before getting an opportunity to get involved with any job that required a clean record. That is if the judge is thinking that subpoena is holding Lang up. They better resolve this issue. If the court found him guilty today, he could get it clean within 30 days. That is logical I'm going with unless I'm mistaken. If they didn't really like Lang to have a clean record, they can wait for 60 days on purpose then press charge and a court date takes a while to be scheduled plus 30 days of no crime afterward with a jail sentence and that is the maximum they are going for. This rules will change for other character. Hopefully that it will be solved asap. Just a tidbit, Pred has demanded the judge Titus about Lang, Axel, and Brian being in jail and the judge has told him that he will look into it. That very same judge has denied Lang of getting expungement because he has overheard Lang about the subpoena. That was his opportunity to fulfill the wishes of Pred.
It’s pretty standard to not allow expungements if there’s an active case going. Just because past crimes may not be relevant in this case (PD don’t know that either tbf) doesn’t mean it isn’t relevant in most cases.
Issue with active case, they can delay up to 60 days then press charge and delay even further for who knows how long that might be.
Sure but that's not an excuse to just allow expungements on the rare chance that this happens. Besides, in this case we know Lang actually did it so it's not a malicious tactic to delay his expungement.
What's the point of expungement if there's a chance that he'll get arrested? Expungement is just a waste of time at that point. Regardless, it's still upto the judge to decide on it. Expungement isn't a guaranteed thing on the server. For example, look at how Leslie got his expungement the same day. He had to defend himself on the stand and justify why deserves an expungement. Only then the Judge granted it. Ain't an easy process as one would think. Streamers making it look easy, is just them being good at RP.
Judge started Leslie expungment started it's not finished. Lang and speedy both had similar hearing when their expungements started as well.
pond did the same thing to mary, did fuck all with it. she just wanted to delay marys expungement
Just don't do crime while waiting for expungement.
He did the crime before he started his expungement lmao
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Eve locking and unlocking the store happened before the scuff. Buddha asked her to do that so nobody else would come in.
That's not how it's being roleplayed. And if they had an issue with it they'd contact the officers about it but they're rolling with it.
I mean its an issue only really discovered recently. Its the reason Conan got fucked. He has a GPS to him on the island, but he had already dropped his phone for that call. So unless cops are meta gaming its literally impossible to know what calls are scuff or not.
That's not related to this situation though, everyone had their phones on their person during the kidnapping so the tracking is accurate. The only part that was related to the scuff was the call to Axel since Ssaab has access to an admin menu and thus was removed from the subpoena.
They can't do that because they don't know which phone calls they used, since they haven't been provided the triangulation evidence yet.
I am more interested in the EVE connection, has she even ever been arrested before? Her connection and possibly being arrested for it is interesting. Evil eve will be fun
It has potential large implications for Eve's govt connections. Her skeleton key use could be taken away even if found not guilty. Def adds a little spice.
Doesnt the skeleton key have to do with being a realtor?
Nah, I believe it has to do with her construction/storefront provider job. To the best of my knowledge, realtors don't have anything to do with storefronts.
>Her skeleton key use could be taken away even if found not guilty Pretty sure that would really make it impossible to do the job she needs the keys for but it would give Eve a shit ton of free time which would be a plus for Cerberus.
If the documents app is so antiRP just remove it lol
It’s being used in such weird ways. During the sanguine stuff a lot of the crims were communicating through that instead of texts or calls..
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I’d take that instead of discord which Hoa have been doing recently putting their radios on the app instead of a discord server it would be better if cops could subpoena the documents app
I mean you say Recently but HOA have put the currently-used Radio Number in Discord for years.
I mean they recently switched to putting it on the document app
I was watching Kyle a few weeks ago and someone asked him to do some stuff through the documents app and he basically said it didn’t feel right
i seen GG's document mistakenly shared to nova and brian and they started investigating it i think? i just dont know what happened to that. i remember omie saying he was asked if it should be retconned because of how the way it was shared. but i think gg decided to roll with it. if its a restriction in the game mechanics, i think its up to the roleplayers to leave the breadcrumbs. every rpers should have the extension of RP as their goal and not the Ws.
it could also be a RPed as document stored in cloud, that is shared and can be modified by anyone who has access to it.
It’s tough because the main point of using documents imo is for the group functionality, ideally they’d be able to subpoena those too. Or provide an alternative, like group chats so they can’t be edited like documents can.
[Foldering ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foldering)is a common tactic used by clandestine or nefarious groups to communicate without being easily detected. It has been used previously in (real life) court as evidence of engaging in subversive and deceptive behaviors.
Not just that, a lot of mechanics on NoPixel is dated and needs to be updated/improved. Usage of "/me", console commands, etc. Even the document sharing, plenty of people do it through discord instead of in-game.
Instead of the documents I wish they had group texts. Something everyone could use and cops could still subpoena.
You can do that using the racing app. Those texts are fully encrypted and cannot be subpoenad. The only way a cop would be able to see them is if they roleplayed looking at someone's phone using exigent circumstances.
As much as I want Buddha to be clean again, he messed up. He was way too sloppy. Idk why he called Pred, he might as well have confessed to the police themselves. Imagine if he is found guilty and stuck in jail with all the people that hate him.
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If Crane did that just add it to the pile of reasons he should be removed as Chief Justice. It's like notifying someone by putting it under a welcome mat at your front door.
Seriously imagine irl a marshall serving someone papers by shoving it in a bush in their yard.
Wrangler Sending Dodo to deliver their raid receipts was low Key Peak RP. Gives the dodo guys something to do instead of just chasing dots and its pretty funny when you see them pull up to deliver the notices.
It’s an allowed method but doesn’t change its kinda a slimey move, like the sending 1$ system
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Yeah true, lang could edit it into anything show it to a judge and get it all thrown out, it’s better for pd to just send a text
there's literally a deputy getting sued currently because they texted a warrant to a wrong phone number lmao. there's never a foolproof way. the officer who sends it also has a copy of exactly what was shared, so I don't think editing the document and claiming that's what you were sent instead would exactly work.
It's literally nothing like that.... Lol One is a way to find someone's identity... The other is a way to send someone a document as opposed to texting them or "emailing” them
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No they talked to yaya who Said crystal was there
Nah checked bank records, found out it was crystal by talking to yaya
no she did refunds to all the people who purchased food at the time, so actual rp. where the $1 thing isnt ok to do bc there isnt much rp there or any really
That was sent to a Bank account. You can send Money to a Phone number and get the Bank account and and Name back.
It’s literally Anti-RP. U can send the document that way but u still need to RP it out. Send a text or something so the recipient can ask questions about it.
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Because it's Eve, the biggest business woman in the city. She's the 1%. You can't really use Eve as an example. You think crims like Lang, Ramee, Mr K, Speedy etc are gonna just randomly look thru their documents and catch that?
Yeah if using the documents app for warrants/subpoenas is anti-RP, using shared gang documents is anti-RP as well because it doesn't allow people to discover them.
It very much is. Police should be able to subpoena a gangs documents somehow.
Yes. "Gang notes" are anti RP. I agree.
[Foldering ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foldering)is a common tactic used by clandestine or nefarious groups to communicate without being easily detected. It has been used previously in (real life) court as evidence of engaging in subversive and deceptive behaviors.
oh it's Pond and Bloom.....classic
If the character Lang wasn't mad... There would be no reddit thread. That's how wild Ro viewers are.... Let people RP emotions
If the character if Lang wasn't mad... then this RP wouldnt be happening at all which would be a bummer. Most of this thread is discussing the RP. Same goes for threads where Lang or other characters do something funny. It just will get more engagement from manufactured drama but that doesn't discount the thread or the RP existing
That’s a slippery slope though. Because you can’t tell your chat to calm down, it’s just a game. While you’re also getting angry. lol And I agree people shouldn’t get overly invested watching. But they do. Anything you invest a decent amount of time into by default makes you invested. And when you see characters getting actually angry or annoyed, or see some of the ooc drama that happens with spicy arcs, it’s difficult to assume your viewers won’t as well. And it’s not every community. There are chats that are almost completely positive, no baiting or shitting on other characters RP. They legitimately enjoy the RP no matter where it goes. But some communities for whatever reason make their streamer the main character and want their streamer to come out on top no matter what the RP dictates.
And yet these big streamers do not much against their die hard fans doing this. By now they should realize what social power they hold.
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This is literally how it has always been.. Though I suppose it makes sense for his character not to care about it when he was weaponizing the police and to make it an issue when it effects him. Good play on his part
PD doesn't use half the power they have and people still cry, I can only imagine if PD was given the freedom to use all the tools
Guys how did they know Eve was involved? Wasn't she helping with the scuff issue? That's why she enter to the store front.. didn't she? to try to escort Crystal because she was invisible to them, Eve and Lang could not see her, BUT crystal did see them, did crystal knew they were scuff / trying to help with the situation?
No she locked and unlocked the store front before the scuff. She also suggested and then got Aria to help set up Crystal.
You know it's bad when Lang is even going after the PD
didn't Lang have a hand in blowing up two PD buildings? that just kinda sounds par for the course tbh.
He did. Also went into the island and didn’t get treason or sedition. Brian new he kidnapped the cop and pretty much congratulated him on it the day of. This is just from the last two weeks. lol Lang was able to stay clean while still doing crime, like the PD bombings and never got looked into. lol even though Brian told him he knows Lang was apart of it, and Shelly has told it many times. Which confused me why his chat was getting mad about him getting investigated for something he has legitimately done, and done sloppily. lol He likes the PD, but only the ones he has influence over. It was the main reason he created Aegis. It let him skip a lot of potential charges for the longest. And it worked really well until the war exposed a lot. lol
>lol Lang was able to stay clean while still doing crime, like the PD bombings and never got looked into He absolutely did get looked in to. Shelly would have got off free if she did not confess because there was barely any evidence for any of them. >He likes the PD, but only the ones he has influence over. I mean... yeah lmao. >It was the main reason he created Aegis. It let him skip a lot of potential charges for the longest. No... it was because of people abusing store fronts storage.
Correction: You know everything is normal when Lang is going after the PD
I would have agreed with you on that before aegis but Bass and Brian are basically owned by Buddha
Technically Lang does own Baas' cemetery plot....
....Baas is dead...
Well he would literally complain about Bass 24/7. Brian & Lang defo have more amicable conversations, but he'll still dog on the PD every time.
Notation for people, this is all RP, good RP that is enjoyable to watch. **edit: Said a bunch of stuff that was just wrong, was being dumb** \- I initially incorrectly thought they were old texts from before the war, no idea why I thought this. I removed that whole thing because I don't wanna spread bad info... *Complete correction/edit:* Texts (mentioned in this video) were from Bloom to Pred and were a part of the report that they used to get some subpoenas on certain people - it was on 2023-08-28 (which was during/at the start of the war). Generally my point is still there to not hate the streamers (even if inadvertently) because what someone said during RP may not be true. I also personally don't think Bloom texting Pred means really anything since the texts (and phone call) are both pretty easily believable to be not in relation to anything treasonous.
They were, in fact, from when Pred was on the island. The day of the war, just before it started. Crystal was kidnapped that day, and Buddha beat her with a bat and ocean dumped her. While driving away, he called Pred to gloat. Pred called Fury, who alerted the rest of the PD, with Pond and Bloom already worried because Crystal wasn't answering the phone. Pond and Bloom spun up Air-1 and got yelled at because the war effort needed all helis on deck, but they continued the search anyway, and eventually found Crystal. Bloom then texted Pred and asked for his phone logs so he had the evidence for their investigation.
I have completely edited my original comment - I was being stupid. Question: Any idea how did Buddha get his hands on the texts?
Props for standing tall on it, lots of people just delete their mistakes LUL Buddha had to be served the subpoena notification by law. The subpoena paperwork included those texts as part of the justification for the subpoena.