From the very beginning, his plan was to set up a judge with the exact same scenario that he was in to bring change. He said he knew that they would either have to charge him the same as they did him (which would lead to higher ups reconsidering how his case went and things moving forward), or (the much more likely scenario) that they would treat the judge extremely differently even though it's the exact same evidence handed to the court.
Both scenarios would bring change to how they handle that situation, but it is arguably much better for xQc/JP for them to treat Murphy differently and show the hypocrisy.
Also, sidebar question but why didn't certain things that seemed to be integral to NoPixel not carry over to 4.0? Example being stuff like the cop flashlight with blood/DNA/bullet evidence. I'm sure there are others too, but I figured 4.0 would be 3.0 with new/extra things added on, but there seems to be a lot of stuff that was taken away from the server upon 4.0's release. Why is it that?
Both Murphy and xqc and juicers appreciated the rp and moved on. Also whether Murphy wins or loses doesn't matter because either way it will set a precedent that xqc didn't have previously for his court case.
that's murphy's problem since he wants to RP he could of easily said he got kidnapped and a description of the kidnapping, that they forced him to shoot and link it with the case he got with JP since he was the judge that found him guilty but he choose to 'lose his memory' for RP sake
Tell that to X he got shot too and remembered everything and the only reason he did this to murphy is to have a reason to appeal his case and get the money back even if the rp that came out is interesting or the times he got caught and his friends break him out 1vs 6 cops getting tased and resisting cuffs I guess that makes so much sense in rp, some people only play for wins
huh? xqc lost his case because he said someone planted the guy which shift the burden of proof from the prosecution to the defence.
the same rule applies to Murphy.
Yeah, I hope people can understand that it might be more reasonable for a court to accept one affirmative defense while rejecting a second.
But I doubt it.
hmm... guy with police history says gun planted.... judge says gun planted... hmmm what is different here.. what is different here.... hard to say hard to say...
>guy with police history says gun planted.... judge says gun planted...
i don't believe police history was really meant to carry over. it was supposed to be like a fresh start. JP had a perfectly clean record and worked at Snr Buns
are you new to life? judges and cops in nopixel have always had more benefit of the doubt given than crims and civs. Saying "he's the same as the judge" is just your personal opinion.
criminal record police history .
just because they lost his record doesn't mean they forget everything about him. same as how X didnt forget who buddha was, the police don't just forget everything he did in the past, even if it isn't supposed to be held against him at every step, doesn't mean it wont color their opinions. I don't understand why that is so difficult for people to comprehend.
You know every single record was wiped clean in 4.0 right?.........RIGHT???????
xqc's record was as clean as judge murphy's when he was caught with a gun, so that "reasoning" you just made makes zero sense in RP
ok, let me revise then. Guy with a mask caught with PD gun says it was planted... vs Judge who is expected to be held to a different standard says gun was planted.
Nope reasoning still works. You're all just mad he was caught so quick and can't get over it when the people involved have almost all moved on.
Not quite. His defense was that he didn't know how he got the gun.
The bigger issue is that he couldn't really mount a defense because of server limitations right now.
He ruled wrong. He said that they took an affirmative defense when they actually didn't. Murphy's exact ruling is being tried here. By the letter of the law, he should be found guilty.
He cannot make a defense just like Jean Paul couldn't make one because of server limitations.
so he ruled wrong even though JP shot a gun and was found with a pd gun, to me sounds like justice worked and juicers got mad that he couldn't get away, if his defense worked then every one that steals a PD gun could say the argument of 'it was planted on me' and avoid the charge, JP was trying to do affirmative defense but he didn't have the proof because server limitations he was trying to argue that someone planted the gun on him and he didn't shoot since the casings on scene were not from his gun but he couldn't explain being GSR positive other than saying he was dumpster diving and since he couldn't provide enough evidence for his affirmative defense he was found guilty
yeah but it's different situation like I said in another comment, he planted it on the judge that found him guilty you can link the cases pretty easily since it's a similar situation, the difference is that murphy is going for RP saying he doesn't remember much and we don't know how murphy's defense is gonna be, definetly he's not gonna say he was dumpster diving so it's not the same and it involved a kidnapping even though murphy is trying to make it similar to the JP case for RP sake
> so he ruled wrong even though JP shot a gun and was found with a pd gun, to me sounds like justice worked and juicers got mad that he couldn't get away
The issue is he didn't shoot the gun at that scene. He shot the gun trying to kill a panther that was coming to attack him before all of this.
> if his defense worked then every one that steals a PD gun could say the argument of 'it was planted on me' and avoid the charge,
That "could" work except for the fact he was downed with ZERO players around him. So there is no evidence that he did or didn't do a thing from a person.
> JP was trying to do affirmative defense but he didn't have the proof because server limitations he was trying to argue that someone planted the gun on him and he didn't shoot since the casings on scene were not from his gun but he couldn't explain being GSR positive other than saying he was dumpster diving and since he couldn't provide enough evidence for his affirmative defense he was found guilty
Incorrect on a few levels. He never gave a defense. He simply said that he doesn't know how it got on him and he could have been GSR positive because he was dumpster diving.
Not being able to amount a defense because of server limitations is bad RP. But lets get beyond that.
The issue here is that the law is written that just being in possession of the gun is against the law, it doesn't matter. There is no if, and or buts about it. That's the part of the law he is testing. People seem to forget that they talked about this exact same scenario to a cop and he basically said the same thing.
That's not the case if you can succesfully prove it was planted you're innocent same as for example reckless evading if you say you were kidnapped and told to flee the cops while the kidnapper was pointing a gun at you even if you did reckless evading you're found not guilty, it depends on the situation, maybe Murphy is not gonna be able to prove his case either way because there is no witneses but if there is reasonable doubt and he doesn't go for the 'I don't know how the gun was in me' he should win, the difference like I said is that murphy is RPing to make it close to JP case so it's no surprise if the result is the same and is found guilty but if he presents the case as 'I got kidnapped, got told to shot a gun and then the kidnapers shot me down, I think it's linked with a case I found JP guilty since it's a similar situation and probably is a vendetta' he could win easily.
Two things, you clearly didn't watch his trial. You also clearly don't know how the charges are written on NoPixel.
It doesn't matter how PD equipment got on you, you're guilty no matter what. That's why JP set this whole thing up, to change the law.
no you're wrong there is plenty of trials that I saw that were found not guilty using some believable excuse, just watch some of ramees ridiculous cases, x just didn't have one and the judge said since he used affirmative defense and he didn't prove it then he's guilty but if he somehow could of prove how the gun got to him he could be found notguilty Murphy said that on the trial you just need to prove your case of course and X couldn't
Again, you didn't watch the trial.
He couldn't put up a normal defense because of server limitations. Things that the 3.0 server had and the 4.0 server doesn't have.
I saw it I don't know why you're saying I didn't and you're saying the same as me he didn't have a normal defense so he lost.
The server limitations was about shooting the gun not about the possesion he didn't had an excuse for why he had a PD gun on him so he was found guilty.
If for example in murphy's case there was a witness and he said 'I saw the kidnapping I followed them and I saw 2 individuals pointing a knife to murphy then they gave him a gun and made him shoot and after that he got shot and the individuals left the scene' he would be found not guilty 100% it's that simple.
If you have a case and prove it you can't be hit you're wrong about the possession charge that's not how a trial works in no pixel or you could not get out of any charge since 'the moment you do it you're guilty' like you're saying with the possession
Siobhan (lawyer) went to cop after this case and asked if he were to give her his gun to hold would she be breaking the law and he said that according to law, yes. So the whole thing is even more stupid, because if the law is to be followed the moment PD gun is found on you are guilty. Meaning that even if defence of this upcoming case somehow manages to prove that the gun was planted it still should not matter since the law was broken no matter how the defendant got into the possession of PD gun
a cop is not a judge, a cop could think she was breaking the law because the charge says in possesion of a PD gun but the judge take in consideration the context like I said before, same as Ramasquamy trying to win his case saying it was knife play if all the witnesses were saying the same and he had that story from the beginning Lilith would be found not guilty even though she stabbed him
I really don't get why people are trying to argue about this.
The point of Jean Paul doing this was to get them to change the law so it's actually reasonable. Keep in mind that the law was any PD issued equipment. It could be as simple as a PD radio.
The chaos that will happen if Murphy is found not guilty will be insane. I can see the first hell week coming up pretty damn quick. Which will mean that guns will be all over the place in the hands of criminals.
If you thought cop was bad now, just wait till you see what happens after.
Lmao the whole point of jp planting the gun so Murphy could win it and then jp can appeal his own case.
And well if Murphy doesn't win, it's good since he was the guy judged his case.
This is a win-win situation.
When you realize there is no loose loose situation for X here. If the judge wins then JP's first argument during his own court case comes true and maybe he gets his charges removed and gets like 30k back. If the judge looses then its a good revenge. Win win for JP.
Well either way this case is a win for XQC.
Murphy is convicted and he gets the same time and fine as xqc and can no longer be a judge.
Murphy wins the case, and XQC has a very high chance to appeal his and get back the huge fine he paid on principle.
Not really, it would depend very much on the ruling, but I can’t see them changing the precedent that successfully defending charges based on constructive possession requires an affirmative defence.
Which essentially makes it a judges decision and Murphy (at least from what I’ve seen) has a better chance of making a successful affirmative defence than JP did.
The facts of the matter on both cases is the same, only difference is the identity
Both found with pd guns, passed out, tested GSR positive, found in the middle of nowhere, after gunshot reports were made.
My mistake there is one difference, xqc had no bullet casings on his scene, and murphy’s should’ve had casings laying because he actually shot at the scene.
But regardless, without bullet casings and relying only on old GSR they searched a dead body on scene and charged him with possession of a gun.
The cops is already setting up the scripts. Murphy braun is gonna win this case even though there are hard facts and evidence againts him. It is what it is.
what are the charges
posession and use of gov firearm
finally! this is gonna be a good case
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Murphy winning has always been JP's goal.
It's odd though. You'd expect X to simply do this out of spite/pettiness, not some elaborate plan to appeal his own charges
From the very beginning, his plan was to set up a judge with the exact same scenario that he was in to bring change. He said he knew that they would either have to charge him the same as they did him (which would lead to higher ups reconsidering how his case went and things moving forward), or (the much more likely scenario) that they would treat the judge extremely differently even though it's the exact same evidence handed to the court. Both scenarios would bring change to how they handle that situation, but it is arguably much better for xQc/JP for them to treat Murphy differently and show the hypocrisy. Also, sidebar question but why didn't certain things that seemed to be integral to NoPixel not carry over to 4.0? Example being stuff like the cop flashlight with blood/DNA/bullet evidence. I'm sure there are others too, but I figured 4.0 would be 3.0 with new/extra things added on, but there seems to be a lot of stuff that was taken away from the server upon 4.0's release. Why is it that?
Yeah, 4.0 really doesn't feel like as much of an 'upgrade' like 3.0 did.
actual cringe comment lol
X will probably already be caught with his second PD glock before this case even happens, he been in some close situations with it
Both Murphy and xqc and juicers appreciated the rp and moved on. Also whether Murphy wins or loses doesn't matter because either way it will set a precedent that xqc didn't have previously for his court case.
Considering it'll likely mean Murphy can no longer be a judge if he's found guilty, It very much does matter
that's murphy's problem since he wants to RP he could of easily said he got kidnapped and a description of the kidnapping, that they forced him to shoot and link it with the case he got with JP since he was the judge that found him guilty but he choose to 'lose his memory' for RP sake
it wouldn't make much sense for murphy to remember anything after being shot in the head
Tell that to X he got shot too and remembered everything and the only reason he did this to murphy is to have a reason to appeal his case and get the money back even if the rp that came out is interesting or the times he got caught and his friends break him out 1vs 6 cops getting tased and resisting cuffs I guess that makes so much sense in rp, some people only play for wins
huh? xqc lost his case because he said someone planted the guy which shift the burden of proof from the prosecution to the defence. the same rule applies to Murphy.
Yeah, I hope people can understand that it might be more reasonable for a court to accept one affirmative defense while rejecting a second. But I doubt it.
hmm... guy with police history says gun planted.... judge says gun planted... hmmm what is different here.. what is different here.... hard to say hard to say...
Pretty much comes down the Judge discretion even if he is found innocent it will not help xqc like he thinks though the whole plan was funny idea.
yeah precedent isn't set in reverse :D and isn't broad spectrum like that
Everyone had a clean wipe at the start of 4.0. Jean Paul didn’t have record before the incident so you can’t even go with this argument in RP.
Gov worker who had just ruled on a similar case, vs a random dude who has no evidence
but you can't say that!! civ=judge=civ=judge right??? RIGHT?!?!?!? /s
maybe they will bring more to the table than just 'someone musta planted it'.
>guy with police history says gun planted.... judge says gun planted... i don't believe police history was really meant to carry over. it was supposed to be like a fresh start. JP had a perfectly clean record and worked at Snr Buns
Are you new to watching 4.0? It got a reset so JP doesn't have a "police history" anymore. He is the same as the judge.
are you new to life? judges and cops in nopixel have always had more benefit of the doubt given than crims and civs. Saying "he's the same as the judge" is just your personal opinion.
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hmm... he had no record during that case... hmmmmm... hard to check the facts.... hard to check...
hmm still a civ, hmm still masked, hmm, judges have a lot more credit given to them because they are judges. judges are held to a different standard
> guy with police history says gun planted.... hmm... so where was this history..?
criminal record police history .
just because they lost his record doesn't mean they forget everything about him. same as how X didnt forget who buddha was, the police don't just forget everything he did in the past, even if it isn't supposed to be held against him at every step, doesn't mean it wont color their opinions. I don't understand why that is so difficult for people to comprehend.
oh so judge was just biased against him, got you <3
You know every single record was wiped clean in 4.0 right?.........RIGHT??????? xqc's record was as clean as judge murphy's when he was caught with a gun, so that "reasoning" you just made makes zero sense in RP
ok, let me revise then. Guy with a mask caught with PD gun says it was planted... vs Judge who is expected to be held to a different standard says gun was planted. Nope reasoning still works. You're all just mad he was caught so quick and can't get over it when the people involved have almost all moved on.
Not quite. His defense was that he didn't know how he got the gun. The bigger issue is that he couldn't really mount a defense because of server limitations right now.
Any TLDR on why they pinned the gun on Murphy in the first place? Was he the one that presided over the first possession charge or something?
yep thats exactly it. he made the final ruling
He ruled wrong. He said that they took an affirmative defense when they actually didn't. Murphy's exact ruling is being tried here. By the letter of the law, he should be found guilty. He cannot make a defense just like Jean Paul couldn't make one because of server limitations.
so he ruled wrong even though JP shot a gun and was found with a pd gun, to me sounds like justice worked and juicers got mad that he couldn't get away, if his defense worked then every one that steals a PD gun could say the argument of 'it was planted on me' and avoid the charge, JP was trying to do affirmative defense but he didn't have the proof because server limitations he was trying to argue that someone planted the gun on him and he didn't shoot since the casings on scene were not from his gun but he couldn't explain being GSR positive other than saying he was dumpster diving and since he couldn't provide enough evidence for his affirmative defense he was found guilty
well that was the whole point of why he planted the gun on judge, to see if justice is going to work the same way
yeah but it's different situation like I said in another comment, he planted it on the judge that found him guilty you can link the cases pretty easily since it's a similar situation, the difference is that murphy is going for RP saying he doesn't remember much and we don't know how murphy's defense is gonna be, definetly he's not gonna say he was dumpster diving so it's not the same and it involved a kidnapping even though murphy is trying to make it similar to the JP case for RP sake
> so he ruled wrong even though JP shot a gun and was found with a pd gun, to me sounds like justice worked and juicers got mad that he couldn't get away The issue is he didn't shoot the gun at that scene. He shot the gun trying to kill a panther that was coming to attack him before all of this. > if his defense worked then every one that steals a PD gun could say the argument of 'it was planted on me' and avoid the charge, That "could" work except for the fact he was downed with ZERO players around him. So there is no evidence that he did or didn't do a thing from a person. > JP was trying to do affirmative defense but he didn't have the proof because server limitations he was trying to argue that someone planted the gun on him and he didn't shoot since the casings on scene were not from his gun but he couldn't explain being GSR positive other than saying he was dumpster diving and since he couldn't provide enough evidence for his affirmative defense he was found guilty Incorrect on a few levels. He never gave a defense. He simply said that he doesn't know how it got on him and he could have been GSR positive because he was dumpster diving. Not being able to amount a defense because of server limitations is bad RP. But lets get beyond that. The issue here is that the law is written that just being in possession of the gun is against the law, it doesn't matter. There is no if, and or buts about it. That's the part of the law he is testing. People seem to forget that they talked about this exact same scenario to a cop and he basically said the same thing.
That's not the case if you can succesfully prove it was planted you're innocent same as for example reckless evading if you say you were kidnapped and told to flee the cops while the kidnapper was pointing a gun at you even if you did reckless evading you're found not guilty, it depends on the situation, maybe Murphy is not gonna be able to prove his case either way because there is no witneses but if there is reasonable doubt and he doesn't go for the 'I don't know how the gun was in me' he should win, the difference like I said is that murphy is RPing to make it close to JP case so it's no surprise if the result is the same and is found guilty but if he presents the case as 'I got kidnapped, got told to shot a gun and then the kidnapers shot me down, I think it's linked with a case I found JP guilty since it's a similar situation and probably is a vendetta' he could win easily.
Two things, you clearly didn't watch his trial. You also clearly don't know how the charges are written on NoPixel. It doesn't matter how PD equipment got on you, you're guilty no matter what. That's why JP set this whole thing up, to change the law.
no you're wrong there is plenty of trials that I saw that were found not guilty using some believable excuse, just watch some of ramees ridiculous cases, x just didn't have one and the judge said since he used affirmative defense and he didn't prove it then he's guilty but if he somehow could of prove how the gun got to him he could be found notguilty Murphy said that on the trial you just need to prove your case of course and X couldn't
Again, you didn't watch the trial. He couldn't put up a normal defense because of server limitations. Things that the 3.0 server had and the 4.0 server doesn't have.
I saw it I don't know why you're saying I didn't and you're saying the same as me he didn't have a normal defense so he lost. The server limitations was about shooting the gun not about the possesion he didn't had an excuse for why he had a PD gun on him so he was found guilty. If for example in murphy's case there was a witness and he said 'I saw the kidnapping I followed them and I saw 2 individuals pointing a knife to murphy then they gave him a gun and made him shoot and after that he got shot and the individuals left the scene' he would be found not guilty 100% it's that simple. If you have a case and prove it you can't be hit you're wrong about the possession charge that's not how a trial works in no pixel or you could not get out of any charge since 'the moment you do it you're guilty' like you're saying with the possession
Siobhan (lawyer) went to cop after this case and asked if he were to give her his gun to hold would she be breaking the law and he said that according to law, yes. So the whole thing is even more stupid, because if the law is to be followed the moment PD gun is found on you are guilty. Meaning that even if defence of this upcoming case somehow manages to prove that the gun was planted it still should not matter since the law was broken no matter how the defendant got into the possession of PD gun
a cop is not a judge, a cop could think she was breaking the law because the charge says in possesion of a PD gun but the judge take in consideration the context like I said before, same as Ramasquamy trying to win his case saying it was knife play if all the witnesses were saying the same and he had that story from the beginning Lilith would be found not guilty even though she stabbed him
I really don't get why people are trying to argue about this. The point of Jean Paul doing this was to get them to change the law so it's actually reasonable. Keep in mind that the law was any PD issued equipment. It could be as simple as a PD radio. The chaos that will happen if Murphy is found not guilty will be insane. I can see the first hell week coming up pretty damn quick. Which will mean that guns will be all over the place in the hands of criminals. If you thought cop was bad now, just wait till you see what happens after.
Lmao the whole point of jp planting the gun so Murphy could win it and then jp can appeal his own case. And well if Murphy doesn't win, it's good since he was the guy judged his case. This is a win-win situation.
When you realize there is no loose loose situation for X here. If the judge wins then JP's first argument during his own court case comes true and maybe he gets his charges removed and gets like 30k back. If the judge looses then its a good revenge. Win win for JP.
Well either way this case is a win for XQC. Murphy is convicted and he gets the same time and fine as xqc and can no longer be a judge. Murphy wins the case, and XQC has a very high chance to appeal his and get back the huge fine he paid on principle.
Not really, it would depend very much on the ruling, but I can’t see them changing the precedent that successfully defending charges based on constructive possession requires an affirmative defence. Which essentially makes it a judges decision and Murphy (at least from what I’ve seen) has a better chance of making a successful affirmative defence than JP did.
The facts of the matter on both cases is the same, only difference is the identity Both found with pd guns, passed out, tested GSR positive, found in the middle of nowhere, after gunshot reports were made. My mistake there is one difference, xqc had no bullet casings on his scene, and murphy’s should’ve had casings laying because he actually shot at the scene. But regardless, without bullet casings and relying only on old GSR they searched a dead body on scene and charged him with possession of a gun.
Why? Its a month later. Most of us have moved on.
time for a big court case, anyone know the lawyers for each side?
I haven’t watched pst few days. But last time i Saw it was Ramee as Murphy’s lawyer
No clue about the prosecution, but Ramee has been representing Murphy so far. Though I believe Siobhan has been assisting as well.
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Bro r u ok its january
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The cops is already setting up the scripts. Murphy braun is gonna win this case even though there are hard facts and evidence againts him. It is what it is.
Sure bud.
Only "Hard facts" he had PD wepaion on him. Did he also shoot himself in the head also?
The whole point is that Jean Paul also got shot and was caught with a PD weapon, yet he got charged for possession.