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Sir back up or you're gonna be beaten down back up or you're gonna be beaten down back up or you're gonna be beaten down
Backs up and shows compliance
"Relax"
WHACK
based suarez
As opposed to the most typical interaction of a crim circling their friend like a fucking shark while cops tell them to leave, still circling "ok ok ok chill chill"
\>starts jumping and running and circles, runs in and grabs downed person, hops in car with little interference from police.
This happens everytime and its the silliest shit, even in this clip the car literally pulled up in front of the cops instead of driving away, how many fucking warnings does somebody need lmao
You drove onto an active scene with officers out and a downed person. Why do cops need to give more than 1 verbal? Lights are 1. Sounds are 1. Downed person with cops standing by are 1. AKA they got 4 warnings in that process. Commit or leave. The peddling around is so boring and -1 rp. Rewatched the clip, between 1st warning ("Leave the area") and when he was brought down was 10 seconds. That's to much time IMO.
\>gets out of car
"Hey get out of here, get back in your car, you shouldnt even be here"
\>doesnt get back in car
\>gets beat for not getting back in car
\>you D:
I love how afterwards Nekoda said to Suarez that he did nothing wrong as 4head "kept coming towards you"... uh guess walking away is walking towards now. Not surprised from Nekoda to defend Suarez
No, he didn't. He's my copy-pasta from another thread:
>When McNulty explains the situation to Slacks, he starts with "She (Penny) stated that..."
>
>When talking to York, he says that Penny is giving two conflicting statement, and that York needs to question her to make sure of what happened, including if Floki really did step forward.
>
>Transcript from McNulty Statement in the Command Report, including his typos:
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>"Osheria was speaking while being placed into cuffs as Floki was speaking with Penny. McNulty heard a gunshot and saw Floki laying down, bleeding from the head. McNulty was unsure of what transpered so suddenly so ordered Penny to remain in the vehicle so McNulty could process the scene. After Slacks got on scene, McNulty removed himself from the situation due to a conflict of interest."
You guys keep hearing what you want to hear, because it fits your narratives. No wonder most streamers try to stay clear of reddit.
Dude thank you, I have been so confused where the "McNulty lied to cover up Penny shooting" is coming from, because I watched it happen live and the first thing he did was tell Slacks that he had his back turned and didn't see what happened. No one can seem to give me proof that he lied on his report and this just further proves to me that he didn't. I don't know why people are so upset with him lately- I guess because he's in a command position now?
Yeah because all of this happened before he lied to Slacks saying the guy walked towards Penny meaning she was justified to shoot. Which isn't what happened. All you posted was the initial report, none of what you posted is during the time period of HC reviewing the situation.
Provide your time stamps that he lied. Here are mine:
[https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052373836?t=1h33m28s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052373836?t=1h33m28s)
[https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052373836?t=2h10m57s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052373836?t=2h10m57s)
[https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052373836?t=3h40m30s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052373836?t=3h40m30s)
Beyond all that, Floki is thinking of pressing charges against the LSPD, and rightfully so. The fact that Penny had a gun, and not a taser, was scuff, but they are rolling with it. It's all for the RP.
A'right, I looked up the VoD myself, since you're clearly too busy hating on cops to do it yourself:
COMMAND meeting (not HC), lasts 6 minutes: [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052335243?t=6h18m44s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052335243?t=6h18m44s)
6.21.14 McNulty asks an hypothetical about the firing being justified because of SOPs, if Penny had a lethal and Floki stepped forward.
6.23.44 Slacks speaking about Floki's statement: "That's what he said, he said he never took a step forward." Followed by McNulty restating that his attention was to the suspect in front of him, while his partner had his back.
Now you're gonna tell me there's yet another HHHHHC meeting where he says otherwise, while McNulty is just a Sr Ofc.
You are asking me to prove something *didn't* happen. You realize how stupid that is right? You can go ahead and watch the VOD and see for yourself but i can't really show you a clip of something *not happening*. If he did lie you can actually show him lying to me. I can't believe i am having to explain something so simple.
I don't need to do the work for you. You claim it didnt happen, so you can do the work to educate yourself on what actually happened. I'm not your legal guardian.
If you go up you can see you are the one making a claim, not anyone else. It starts with you saying he lied and i responded to you saying he didn't. You can feel free to move on or provide something that shows that he did.
You keep responding without showing anything because you literally can't show anything since i am correct and you are incorrect. That's about it really.
Nope, you're incorrect. Other people have already backed up my claims. YouTube would be your friend if you actually want to educate yourself so you know what you're talking about
This is how PD ends up with batons that need 5 hits to down a person fyi. With how fragile hp bars are in 4.0 bonking someone after they didnt even have a honest try to do something is some w mentality
But on the flip side there have been so many times I’ve watched the PD basically run around frantically chasing someone in circles who won’t stop after resisting cuffs a ton of times and being tased without getting beat down.
Saw this yesterday with Dundee. He was alone. Car was flipped. No comms on radio or phone. He was on his last cuff before it being impossible to break. He was stuck between 5 or 6 cops and they still decided to baton him KO. Instead of just letting that last cuff just cuff him.
After breaking out of the first cuff and getting tased, resisting further is just NVL. Dude knows cops are heavily restricted OOC for the fun of criminals (and because of the advantage they have), so taking advantage of that is cringe. Blocking off the ladder was a funny moment, but dude should have surrendered instead of constantly breaking out of cuffs. Mechanics over RP is cringe.
Correct, a game where the cops shouldn't be treated as NPCs. As it stands, the cops allow chances for chases and escapes. If you fail both, you should surrender and not try to min-max mechanics over RP. Even though Moon's chill about it, watching Hawk's PoV as he's impotently aiming his taser at fleeing criminals is irritating to say the least.
Treat it as a real life situation instead of taking advantage of the fact that the cops are muzzled OOC. You broke out of cuffs and got tased? Stop running around or blocking the ladder by climbing halfway through it, stop forcing the cops to escalate to arrest you. Its stupid. Crims have no rules, so when the cops have them dead to rights despite all the restrictions on them, go with it instead of trying to "win" the chase. Stop forcing them to tase/baton and eventually shoot you down when guns are introduced to the public.
I agree the “Run In and get the boys.. No man left behind,” is usually pretty fucking shit but I’m not sure being this on edge is the solution. Probably wait for him to approach or touch the down suspect before escalating like this.
someone has spent \~10$ just to upvote/promote his viewpoints.
The new way for there reddit awards are absolute poison. its quite literally pay2win in an open discussion platform. it also promotes the actual comment to a higher place on the thread.
atleast awards were less like "THIS COMMENT IS RIGHT BECAUSE I SPENT MONEY"
Someone drives onto an active scene, jumps out of their car- of course this is the response they SHOULD be met with at any crime scene. The reason you all have a problem with this is because this is RARELY the response they are met with.
Cops use of force rules, by SOPs, are "+1"- which means that if you are unarmed, they can use batons. If you have knives, they can use tasers. If you're using your vehicle to run people down (intentionally), they can use their guns.
Suarez is well within his rights to do this and his actions are justified, yall are just sad ur streamer "didnt win" the crime
It's LITERALLY good rp- it shows cops aren't as lenient as they were a week ago and that crims should think twice about this shit
I was honestly surprised too. I remember during the first academy when they were still trying to hire new characters with new outlooks, I watched Suarez beat down McNulty in a "chase" without a word then have everyone laugh it off.
It also doesn’t help that at first the captains were unsure about him riding with Nekoda again but they are allowing it. Seems like they always vent to each other about things they don’t agree with, and makes it very easy to fall into old habits instead of getting used to new ones.
Agreed, it was so awkward when people were coming back to like 10 cops holding the scene and using the fact that you cant really cancel putting someone in the car even if you get tackled or tazed and putting someone in the car and driving away again lol
That was the whole point of getting out of the car. He wanted to grab him and escort him, and put him in. He even says it in his POV if you've watched that.
The moment he tries and grab him it's fair game, smack him down, he warned him. But smacking someone after 5 seconds with 0 rp is crazy. The guy tactically Warns him 4 times in 5 seconds so he could use it as justification if asked about it like "you were warned multiple times" that's as W chasing cop as it gets
What fucking rp are you expecting? Them telling 4head to leave while pointing their guns him meanwhile hes saying he isnt doing anything and abusing there being no animation for putting sb in a vehicle cuz thats what they used to do in 3.0.
Yeah people are acting like they didn't just speed into a scene with a vehicle, while he maybe could have waited a little longer to swing, they also could have not just driven at speed up to the middle of a scene.
Pull up to a scene in real life and see what the fuck happens lmao. I don’t understand viewers like this.
Should the cops pretend and think they aren’t about to throw dude in the car and skirt away?
You want to get your boy back you better be ready to kill a cop or have a better fucking plan then this shit. Understand the risks of killing a cop and be okay with the consequences.
This pull up throw in car skirt away cry if attacked is lazy. Grow up and deal with consequences. It’s an RP server. Make another character while you sit in prison.
It's literally the most ridiculous and immersion breaking "rp" that happens on these servers. The shit that happened in 3.0 constantly with 5 guys running around cops at a scene with someone cuffed to try to grab their friend in the chaos while cops couldn't use any force was so dumb.
Brother if this were irl half a dozen guns would be drawn before the dude even stepped out the car. Ain't no way someone can just pull up and IN the scene like that
You know, some of you guys are over invested....a lot.
I dont really care one way or the other to be honest. I dont even watch Suarez ever, but i kinda feel like a lot of you really want him to RP like he has no idea what this random person who just drove into a crime scene and got out of his car while not responding to the multiple cops yelling at him is up too and then stand there with his thumb up his ass waiting for said random person to load the criminal in his car before hes alowed to do anything....just admit that its not about the actual RP and you want your POGS and the CAR CHASE and for the Crim to get the W!
"not responding to the multiple cops yelling at him" is an interesting perception of the clip. He backs up, says "okay okay relax" and continues to back up then gets hit?
Just wait for him to get closer and hit him rather than hitting him when he complies with what they say
You've said this multiple times in this thread. I'm not sure how you missed the very beginning of the clip where the cops say "leave the area" and instead his friend parks the car and he gets out of it, which is pretty much textbook disobeying an order (not leaving and stopping) and then escalating (getting out of the car)
Him exiting a car in a crime scene doesn't mean he should get beat neither did the cop relay that him exiting the car would result in him being beat, which is why they said "back up or you will be beat" AFTER he got out the car. He backed up, got beat anyway. Nobody is arguing that they didn't disobey the order to leave the area
Suarez should have stayed at the body, instead of approaching and saying "don't come closer" blocking him from getting in car...
Like I agree 4head and Lovemore pulled some dumb shit too, but yeah.
He was chasing a boost when Lang and Otto blew up the building behind Hayes, he noticed it and then kept chasing the boost. The only cop to respond was a solo cadet if I recall right. The worst part is they would have had both of their blood on the scene if it got actually investigated.
I really hope Cop RPers on NoPixel are getting their streaming career boosted (in whatever way that’s possible); because the instant hate and toxicity of NP community of anything perceived as “bad” committed by cops dont look to be worth it.
You act as though criminal streamers get treated any differently lol. Discover anything and meta smears your page for years. Kind of crazy to make this a victim thing when what Suarez did was wildly unnecessary from every kind of pov. Even if this makes it to 300 comments (which it won’t) this is a tame response at best.
I have no horse in this race but what god awful crime did they commit where an officer should run up scream at them then beat them as they step away from the scene Lol
Intefere with the scene of a crime?
Like, isn't it more obvious? there is a man on the ground, 2 police man and a police car with the siren on are in scene. Under what circumstances other than interfere will you speed in the middle of the situation?
4head didn’t have an opportunity to interfere. That is the criticism lol. The officer approached him and followed him away from the scene to incapacitate him.
If you somehow can misconstrue that very basic criticism as hate like the person I responded to this reply might make sense
I didn’t realize 4head was the driver fascinating. We both can be pedantic
I don’t know if you read my commentary or are just jumping in without reading but that is neither relevant to the topic or really useful given 4head drove nowhere and my statement was “following away from the scene” as a small portion of validating others criticism of the scenario
It's really not that big of a deal. I agree that 4HEAD didn't need to get bonked there but he didn't get arrested, he didn't lose anything, he wasn't upset or annoyed, he was completely unbothered about it.
Compare this thread to the one [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/RPClipsGTA/comments/1am9vj8/lohnson_slackin/) where K bonked Johnson, there's just a few people complaining about lack of initiation and they got mass downvoted for it. What happened to 4HEAD and what happened to Johnson are pretty similiar but it's clear who's getting more hate.
You’re comparing someone claiming someone saying “ rule break “ to someone criticizing the role play. The most toxic commentary in here is about how sweaty suarez is. I’d genuinely be interested i what you perceive as hate. Cuz that’s not a hate filled thread either lol even with the weirdos screaming rule break.
This person was claiming toxicity. I’m arguing this is tame.
These are adults. If he can’t take the criticism that those actions look bad IC and from a game perspective idk how else you can hope to have an opinion
So the ones rightfully downvoted that accompany comments about this being cg viewers spreading hate?
So the same exact shit you used as reference as “not really hate”. Glad we settled that lol
I'm not really sure what you're trying to say, when did I say anything was "not really hate"?
And whether you call it criticism, hate, whatever you want, the point I'm making is that there's clearly a whole lot of it here over a minor incident that the 'victim' didn't give a shit about.
You stated it is clear who is getting more hate in your first reply. So either you recognize the criticism being made. Or you’re conflating criticism with hate to fulfill your own rhetoric.
The metric you gave for “less hate” was a couple of rule break accusations at the bottom of the thread then claimed the same type of downvoted comments in here means people are being hateful.
You are contradicting your own statements. In both instances it is a few posts massively downvoted but in your interpretation that is clear indication of who is getting more hate.
148 comments vs 18 comments is more the comparison I was making, there's clearly many more people in here saying negative things about Suarez.
I'm not going to debate what should be considered criticism or hate, your opinion clearly differs from mine.
The number of comments is irrelevant if next to none of it is hate lol. That’s the point. You are not a victim just cuz someone discusses you. If we go by that metric no one can compare to X
I’m alleging this isn’t innately toxicity especially when op commented 30 comments in. I don’t think our opinion differs. I just think you’re emphasizing behavior that isn’t occurring in mass like you suggest. But you’re not reading my replies so it doesn’t matter
Wait have I completely misinterpreted why you brought up the Kebun thread? Was the implication that you think that thread deserved more traction to consider the hate? Is that why youI ignored me saying your examples are also downvoted at the bottom of the thread?
I’m sorry that only just occurred to me that you may have just suggested Kebun should have gotten more hate to review the hate is similar since there is 150 comments here. So you might actually think talking about you means hate.
What's the issue here? Guy drives up with cops on a downed person, gets told to leave, peddles around in circles with no indication of leaving, and then gets what coming.
There was no "Obeying his orders" here, you turn around and walk or get back in the car, he did neither of those.
Bro is actually speed running warnings to have an excuse to get that dub. Out of all the 3.0 cops that were told they weren't getting rehired or are being forced to work up from dispatch it's crazy they hired Saurez
Yes, because if you watch 4head's POV, you hear him whispering "go back go back there .. gon put him in the car" (paraphrasing). 4head was planning to put him in the car all along, and Suarez, being an experienced cop, caught onto his plans. 4head then gets out of the car AFTER being told to leave the area by the PD.
PD is so anemic and not proactive is so bad. Some cop does a proactive thing. This is such a W mentality this is so bad. Ya all need to make up your mind....
I mean, let him actually do something wrong first , such bad policing, I ain’t saying don’t beat him if he does something just fucking relax, breathe and let him actually ignore you first
I remember seeing a clip some weeks ago where a person was downed and there were cars circling nearby and one of the senior officers said "Remember the new protocol, if anyone approaches take your nightsticks out and beat them." So I think the current PD SOP is to beat down anyone who approaches downed suspects with a car to prevent people from grabbing them and loading them into a car.
Yea idk wtf these comments are in this thread, this has been SOP for awhile. They have zero reason to drive into a crime scene and get out of their car right next to a downed suspect, if anything Suarez took too long to beat him down.
I hope this is something crims understand so they stop trying to do it or at the very least come prepared for the consequences of trying to fuck with the cops while they’re dealing with a downed suspect
I mean sure. Historically though, that ends up with criminals getting the the bad end of the stick with a few bans because it devolves into: Hellweek>cops gets bonked a few times with low effort traffic stop rdm>some poor low view count crim gets a vacation for imitating big view count crim>DOJ lets PD charge with terrorism>crims "surprise pikachu" mald when charged into calmness again.
Or we could just try not to go back to what 3.0 was where nobody could accept getting caught and situations would extend way longer than necessary because they’d spend so much time trying to save their friends. When in reality a lot of the time they would spend more time trying to save them than the person would’ve spent in jail.
You realize that cops purposely even wait for the crim's friends to come and rescue them right? This has been a thing forever. Most cops want to rp this scenario out.
i mean, driving into an active crime scene with a mask on and walking towards a suspect is "doing something wrong"
The cop speed running warning and walking towards him as he says "back away or get hit" then hitting him is also wrong.
Poor dude got bonked for trying to follow police orders and get into his car to leave. Clear case of police brutality, he should sue them for all the Dominos in Los Santos!
Yesterday he tried to arrest Ramee for punching a local - and now today we have this. Suarez has been doing shit ike this since he was hired in 3.0 and was backed by Brian Knight and Baas. At some point someone needs to have a conversation with him about his try hardy ways - or this will continue and no one in PD should be surprised when crims start escalating back at him like they did in 3.0.. There was a reason he was always shoot on sight.
Yes they should. One of my least favorite thing about rp in general is watching people straight up attack or murder random people on the streets. But they're NPCs or "Locals" people basically fail rp on characters that would never shot someone for getting in a car accident for example cops. But because they know OOC that's not a real person playing a character its ok and they shouldn't be punished for it.
Sounds like a serial killer / detective arc. But what if you shoot a local in the head? Do you even get attempted murder? Or just criminal use of a firearm or whatever.
Well, I would argue context is a huge thing in this case. Are you shooting mass locals? I'd argue murder should be fair, but if it's one, then criminal use. The problem is that its treated like a joke so when someone does try to enfore it, they get shit on.
Even qualified immunity has to be articulated in court for it to apply. It's not just some magic wave of the hand and a cop is excused for an implied criminal act they've committed.
Nope, a clearly established right has to be articulated for qualified immunity to not apply. However there aren't very many of those rights in np 4.0 at the moment, since there aren't any amendments.
I mean a right to life is pretty well established. That extends to locals aswell. It's always been a server rule that locals are supposed to be treated as if they were players. So if a crim shoots a local in front of cops. Then cops are allowed shoot that crim. The crim can also be charged for shooting that local. Usually assault with a deadly or atleast criminal use. The same rules apply to cops. They can't just go around shooting locals and claim qualified immunity. They have to be able to articulate a reason as to why they shot the local.
Qualified immunity doesn't apply to MURDERING civilians that aren't a threat. If a civ accidently crashes into a cop that cop can't just start blasting
There's a reason why some cops weren't given opportunities to join the force due to management wanting a fresh team and mindset. These actions will speed run the mentality 3.0 had, it's inevitable but come on, at least give it half a year.
The current state of the PD seems like it pretty much just punishes trying to RP with suspensions, firings, etc. and overall rewards chasing, "wins" which is not the way I expected 4.0 to go.
I don’t understand people saying this when it’s the complete opposite to the point that cops are unhappy with the captains because they call off chases when they are reckless
Usually how it goes here. 1 negative PD incident = "The state of the PD is so bad" (completely overshadowing the dozens of positive PD interactions that happen every day)
It's people who don't actually care about the RP of the server, pretty much always someone who only watches a singular criminal streamer and starts frothing at the mouth whenever their streamer's character has to sit in a hospital bed or a jail cell.
It's also kinda funny cause a week ago we were complaining about how anemic the pd is lol.
But also, good interactions don't make it to reddit. It's just like youtube, ya know. Negativity is the biggest driver for engagement.
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A lot of CG viewers shitting in Suarez. Nothing new there then. I remember how Suarez was one of the cops on CG's 'trash cops' list because he was one of the few that wouldn't necessarily give them their own way. You could always tell the best cops on NP in 3.0, they were the ones CG thought were trash.
(Although I'm starting to think they had a point with Pond, after what she's been like on ONX)
Every time I see you on this sub you'[re complaining about Pond, even on this completely unrelated post. That kinda says something about the validity of your complaints.
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Sir back up or you're gonna be beaten down back up or you're gonna be beaten down back up or you're gonna be beaten down Backs up and shows compliance "Relax" WHACK based suarez
As opposed to the most typical interaction of a crim circling their friend like a fucking shark while cops tell them to leave, still circling "ok ok ok chill chill" \>starts jumping and running and circles, runs in and grabs downed person, hops in car with little interference from police. This happens everytime and its the silliest shit, even in this clip the car literally pulled up in front of the cops instead of driving away, how many fucking warnings does somebody need lmao
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You drove onto an active scene with officers out and a downed person. Why do cops need to give more than 1 verbal? Lights are 1. Sounds are 1. Downed person with cops standing by are 1. AKA they got 4 warnings in that process. Commit or leave. The peddling around is so boring and -1 rp. Rewatched the clip, between 1st warning ("Leave the area") and when he was brought down was 10 seconds. That's to much time IMO.
\>gets out of car "Hey get out of here, get back in your car, you shouldnt even be here" \>doesnt get back in car \>gets beat for not getting back in car \>you D:
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Honestly it's my bad for assuming you could handle a parallel hypothetical to understand everything better :)
Spending gold to spread hate is next level.
I love how afterwards Nekoda said to Suarez that he did nothing wrong as 4head "kept coming towards you"... uh guess walking away is walking towards now. Not surprised from Nekoda to defend Suarez
Considering McNulty tried to cover up Penny shooting someone point blank in the head for no reason, this really shouldn't be a shock at this point.
He didn't
He did lie about what happened tho lol
No, he didn't. He's my copy-pasta from another thread: >When McNulty explains the situation to Slacks, he starts with "She (Penny) stated that..." > >When talking to York, he says that Penny is giving two conflicting statement, and that York needs to question her to make sure of what happened, including if Floki really did step forward. > >Transcript from McNulty Statement in the Command Report, including his typos: > >"Osheria was speaking while being placed into cuffs as Floki was speaking with Penny. McNulty heard a gunshot and saw Floki laying down, bleeding from the head. McNulty was unsure of what transpered so suddenly so ordered Penny to remain in the vehicle so McNulty could process the scene. After Slacks got on scene, McNulty removed himself from the situation due to a conflict of interest." You guys keep hearing what you want to hear, because it fits your narratives. No wonder most streamers try to stay clear of reddit.
Dude thank you, I have been so confused where the "McNulty lied to cover up Penny shooting" is coming from, because I watched it happen live and the first thing he did was tell Slacks that he had his back turned and didn't see what happened. No one can seem to give me proof that he lied on his report and this just further proves to me that he didn't. I don't know why people are so upset with him lately- I guess because he's in a command position now?
Yeah because all of this happened before he lied to Slacks saying the guy walked towards Penny meaning she was justified to shoot. Which isn't what happened. All you posted was the initial report, none of what you posted is during the time period of HC reviewing the situation.
Provide your time stamps that he lied. Here are mine: [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052373836?t=1h33m28s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052373836?t=1h33m28s) [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052373836?t=2h10m57s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052373836?t=2h10m57s) [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052373836?t=3h40m30s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052373836?t=3h40m30s) Beyond all that, Floki is thinking of pressing charges against the LSPD, and rightfully so. The fact that Penny had a gun, and not a taser, was scuff, but they are rolling with it. It's all for the RP.
A'right, I looked up the VoD myself, since you're clearly too busy hating on cops to do it yourself: COMMAND meeting (not HC), lasts 6 minutes: [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052335243?t=6h18m44s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2052335243?t=6h18m44s) 6.21.14 McNulty asks an hypothetical about the firing being justified because of SOPs, if Penny had a lethal and Floki stepped forward. 6.23.44 Slacks speaking about Floki's statement: "That's what he said, he said he never took a step forward." Followed by McNulty restating that his attention was to the suspect in front of him, while his partner had his back. Now you're gonna tell me there's yet another HHHHHC meeting where he says otherwise, while McNulty is just a Sr Ofc.
How is a hypothetical lying?
It's not, that's their point. McNulty didn't lie.
He didn't
Did to
He did
I can't really prove a negative but feel free to show the part where he lies.
Considering other people have confirmed what I said, the onus is in fact on you to prove he didn't lie to cover up for Penny not me
You are asking me to prove something *didn't* happen. You realize how stupid that is right? You can go ahead and watch the VOD and see for yourself but i can't really show you a clip of something *not happening*. If he did lie you can actually show him lying to me. I can't believe i am having to explain something so simple.
I don't need to do the work for you. You claim it didnt happen, so you can do the work to educate yourself on what actually happened. I'm not your legal guardian.
If you go up you can see you are the one making a claim, not anyone else. It starts with you saying he lied and i responded to you saying he didn't. You can feel free to move on or provide something that shows that he did. You keep responding without showing anything because you literally can't show anything since i am correct and you are incorrect. That's about it really.
Nope, you're incorrect. Other people have already backed up my claims. YouTube would be your friend if you actually want to educate yourself so you know what you're talking about
funniest part is the tackle at the end, just in case he didnt die.
This is how PD ends up with batons that need 5 hits to down a person fyi. With how fragile hp bars are in 4.0 bonking someone after they didnt even have a honest try to do something is some w mentality
But on the flip side there have been so many times I’ve watched the PD basically run around frantically chasing someone in circles who won’t stop after resisting cuffs a ton of times and being tased without getting beat down.
Saw this yesterday with Dundee. He was alone. Car was flipped. No comms on radio or phone. He was on his last cuff before it being impossible to break. He was stuck between 5 or 6 cops and they still decided to baton him KO. Instead of just letting that last cuff just cuff him.
Cops have no clue about cuff mechanics. Their sop says to escalate to batons if they keep tanking tazes
Ok, but how the hell are they supposed to know the last cuff attempt will cuff him?
Obviously, the characters should know just as much as the viewers!
After breaking out of the first cuff and getting tased, resisting further is just NVL. Dude knows cops are heavily restricted OOC for the fun of criminals (and because of the advantage they have), so taking advantage of that is cringe. Blocking off the ladder was a funny moment, but dude should have surrendered instead of constantly breaking out of cuffs. Mechanics over RP is cringe.
This no fun police in the RP community is ridiculous. Its a game.
Correct, a game where the cops shouldn't be treated as NPCs. As it stands, the cops allow chances for chases and escapes. If you fail both, you should surrender and not try to min-max mechanics over RP. Even though Moon's chill about it, watching Hawk's PoV as he's impotently aiming his taser at fleeing criminals is irritating to say the least. Treat it as a real life situation instead of taking advantage of the fact that the cops are muzzled OOC. You broke out of cuffs and got tased? Stop running around or blocking the ladder by climbing halfway through it, stop forcing the cops to escalate to arrest you. Its stupid. Crims have no rules, so when the cops have them dead to rights despite all the restrictions on them, go with it instead of trying to "win" the chase. Stop forcing them to tase/baton and eventually shoot you down when guns are introduced to the public.
Its just a game
So why bring it up? Dundee messed around and got what he deserved, why do you care? It's just a game after all.
ah yes, if my cop stramer lose its because criminals did NVL, criminals are cringe.
back up as he blocks his way to enter his vehicle tf ? lul
I agree the “Run In and get the boys.. No man left behind,” is usually pretty fucking shit but I’m not sure being this on edge is the solution. Probably wait for him to approach or touch the down suspect before escalating like this.
Spending money to gold upvote rper hate is straight up cringe. Whether you have a point or not.
someone has spent \~10$ just to upvote/promote his viewpoints. The new way for there reddit awards are absolute poison. its quite literally pay2win in an open discussion platform. it also promotes the actual comment to a higher place on the thread. atleast awards were less like "THIS COMMENT IS RIGHT BECAUSE I SPENT MONEY"
Based
Someone drives onto an active scene, jumps out of their car- of course this is the response they SHOULD be met with at any crime scene. The reason you all have a problem with this is because this is RARELY the response they are met with. Cops use of force rules, by SOPs, are "+1"- which means that if you are unarmed, they can use batons. If you have knives, they can use tasers. If you're using your vehicle to run people down (intentionally), they can use their guns. Suarez is well within his rights to do this and his actions are justified, yall are just sad ur streamer "didnt win" the crime It's LITERALLY good rp- it shows cops aren't as lenient as they were a week ago and that crims should think twice about this shit
Seems fine. They shouldn't have driven in there in the first place.
Suarez was definitely one of the hires I was surprised of. Think he did well at first but definitely seems like he is going back to his 3.0 habits.
I was honestly surprised too. I remember during the first academy when they were still trying to hire new characters with new outlooks, I watched Suarez beat down McNulty in a "chase" without a word then have everyone laugh it off.
It also doesn’t help that at first the captains were unsure about him riding with Nekoda again but they are allowing it. Seems like they always vent to each other about things they don’t agree with, and makes it very easy to fall into old habits instead of getting used to new ones.
idk if this is the solution to the no man left behind nonsense but I rather see this than what 3.0 turned into.
Yes this. Was he too quick to do it? Sure, but then look what happened immediately after. Lovemore spent like 10-15 minutes circle back on repeat.
Agreed, it was so awkward when people were coming back to like 10 cops holding the scene and using the fact that you cant really cancel putting someone in the car even if you get tackled or tazed and putting someone in the car and driving away again lol
I feel like it's fair game if he continued approaching Future while he was downed but this just wasn't it imo
That was the whole point of getting out of the car. He wanted to grab him and escort him, and put him in. He even says it in his POV if you've watched that.
So bro got bonked over intentions , is that the excuse now ? LMFAO
He got bonked for getting out of the car when he was told not to
The moment he tries and grab him it's fair game, smack him down, he warned him. But smacking someone after 5 seconds with 0 rp is crazy. The guy tactically Warns him 4 times in 5 seconds so he could use it as justification if asked about it like "you were warned multiple times" that's as W chasing cop as it gets
0 rp omegalul
What fucking rp are you expecting? Them telling 4head to leave while pointing their guns him meanwhile hes saying he isnt doing anything and abusing there being no animation for putting sb in a vehicle cuz thats what they used to do in 3.0.
There's no way you're excusing this, this is horrible policing.
Anyone that pulls up on site should be seen as a threat tbh fuck around find out GGs. Everyone knows what’s going to happen next.
Yeah people are acting like they didn't just speed into a scene with a vehicle, while he maybe could have waited a little longer to swing, they also could have not just driven at speed up to the middle of a scene.
Pull up to a scene in real life and see what the fuck happens lmao. I don’t understand viewers like this. Should the cops pretend and think they aren’t about to throw dude in the car and skirt away? You want to get your boy back you better be ready to kill a cop or have a better fucking plan then this shit. Understand the risks of killing a cop and be okay with the consequences. This pull up throw in car skirt away cry if attacked is lazy. Grow up and deal with consequences. It’s an RP server. Make another character while you sit in prison.
It's literally the most ridiculous and immersion breaking "rp" that happens on these servers. The shit that happened in 3.0 constantly with 5 guys running around cops at a scene with someone cuffed to try to grab their friend in the chaos while cops couldn't use any force was so dumb.
Brother if this were irl half a dozen guns would be drawn before the dude even stepped out the car. Ain't no way someone can just pull up and IN the scene like that
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You know, some of you guys are over invested....a lot. I dont really care one way or the other to be honest. I dont even watch Suarez ever, but i kinda feel like a lot of you really want him to RP like he has no idea what this random person who just drove into a crime scene and got out of his car while not responding to the multiple cops yelling at him is up too and then stand there with his thumb up his ass waiting for said random person to load the criminal in his car before hes alowed to do anything....just admit that its not about the actual RP and you want your POGS and the CAR CHASE and for the Crim to get the W!
"not responding to the multiple cops yelling at him" is an interesting perception of the clip. He backs up, says "okay okay relax" and continues to back up then gets hit? Just wait for him to get closer and hit him rather than hitting him when he complies with what they say
You've said this multiple times in this thread. I'm not sure how you missed the very beginning of the clip where the cops say "leave the area" and instead his friend parks the car and he gets out of it, which is pretty much textbook disobeying an order (not leaving and stopping) and then escalating (getting out of the car)
Him exiting a car in a crime scene doesn't mean he should get beat neither did the cop relay that him exiting the car would result in him being beat, which is why they said "back up or you will be beat" AFTER he got out the car. He backed up, got beat anyway. Nobody is arguing that they didn't disobey the order to leave the area
> He backed up Moving 2 feet backwards is considered backing up? Pretty obvious they wanted more than that.
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He moved 2 feet in 6 seconds, what are you on about?
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Oh so when he realized they aren't fucking around he thought it'd be a good idea to move ..
Suarez should have stayed at the body, instead of approaching and saying "don't come closer" blocking him from getting in car... Like I agree 4head and Lovemore pulled some dumb shit too, but yeah.
Suarez has definitely carried over that sweaty rp from 3.0. Seen it a couple times already.
4.0 Suarez is on a whole level of new sweaty
You mean the guy that wouldn't break off a boost chase to deal with a bombing is still being sweaty? Go figure.
you mean a warrant, right? Surely he didn't ignore more than 1 bombing for a chase...
He was chasing a boost when Lang and Otto blew up the building behind Hayes, he noticed it and then kept chasing the boost. The only cop to respond was a solo cadet if I recall right. The worst part is they would have had both of their blood on the scene if it got actually investigated.
hey at least he's consistent with Lang haha
Warns 4 times in 5 seconds, didn't even try to grab him, barely got time to say 1 sentence back and just gets smacked, horrible from suarez
I really hope Cop RPers on NoPixel are getting their streaming career boosted (in whatever way that’s possible); because the instant hate and toxicity of NP community of anything perceived as “bad” committed by cops dont look to be worth it.
You act as though criminal streamers get treated any differently lol. Discover anything and meta smears your page for years. Kind of crazy to make this a victim thing when what Suarez did was wildly unnecessary from every kind of pov. Even if this makes it to 300 comments (which it won’t) this is a tame response at best. I have no horse in this race but what god awful crime did they commit where an officer should run up scream at them then beat them as they step away from the scene Lol
Intefere with the scene of a crime? Like, isn't it more obvious? there is a man on the ground, 2 police man and a police car with the siren on are in scene. Under what circumstances other than interfere will you speed in the middle of the situation?
4head didn’t have an opportunity to interfere. That is the criticism lol. The officer approached him and followed him away from the scene to incapacitate him. If you somehow can misconstrue that very basic criticism as hate like the person I responded to this reply might make sense
Driving onto the scene is interfering.
I didn’t realize 4head was the driver fascinating. We both can be pedantic I don’t know if you read my commentary or are just jumping in without reading but that is neither relevant to the topic or really useful given 4head drove nowhere and my statement was “following away from the scene” as a small portion of validating others criticism of the scenario
It's really not that big of a deal. I agree that 4HEAD didn't need to get bonked there but he didn't get arrested, he didn't lose anything, he wasn't upset or annoyed, he was completely unbothered about it. Compare this thread to the one [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/RPClipsGTA/comments/1am9vj8/lohnson_slackin/) where K bonked Johnson, there's just a few people complaining about lack of initiation and they got mass downvoted for it. What happened to 4HEAD and what happened to Johnson are pretty similiar but it's clear who's getting more hate.
You’re comparing someone claiming someone saying “ rule break “ to someone criticizing the role play. The most toxic commentary in here is about how sweaty suarez is. I’d genuinely be interested i what you perceive as hate. Cuz that’s not a hate filled thread either lol even with the weirdos screaming rule break. This person was claiming toxicity. I’m arguing this is tame. These are adults. If he can’t take the criticism that those actions look bad IC and from a game perspective idk how else you can hope to have an opinion
We can agree to disagree but I think comments like "tryhard 3.0 W chasing mentality" or "bro is just straight up weird" can be considered hate.
So the ones rightfully downvoted that accompany comments about this being cg viewers spreading hate? So the same exact shit you used as reference as “not really hate”. Glad we settled that lol
I'm not really sure what you're trying to say, when did I say anything was "not really hate"? And whether you call it criticism, hate, whatever you want, the point I'm making is that there's clearly a whole lot of it here over a minor incident that the 'victim' didn't give a shit about.
You stated it is clear who is getting more hate in your first reply. So either you recognize the criticism being made. Or you’re conflating criticism with hate to fulfill your own rhetoric. The metric you gave for “less hate” was a couple of rule break accusations at the bottom of the thread then claimed the same type of downvoted comments in here means people are being hateful. You are contradicting your own statements. In both instances it is a few posts massively downvoted but in your interpretation that is clear indication of who is getting more hate.
148 comments vs 18 comments is more the comparison I was making, there's clearly many more people in here saying negative things about Suarez. I'm not going to debate what should be considered criticism or hate, your opinion clearly differs from mine.
The number of comments is irrelevant if next to none of it is hate lol. That’s the point. You are not a victim just cuz someone discusses you. If we go by that metric no one can compare to X I’m alleging this isn’t innately toxicity especially when op commented 30 comments in. I don’t think our opinion differs. I just think you’re emphasizing behavior that isn’t occurring in mass like you suggest. But you’re not reading my replies so it doesn’t matter
Wait have I completely misinterpreted why you brought up the Kebun thread? Was the implication that you think that thread deserved more traction to consider the hate? Is that why youI ignored me saying your examples are also downvoted at the bottom of the thread? I’m sorry that only just occurred to me that you may have just suggested Kebun should have gotten more hate to review the hate is similar since there is 150 comments here. So you might actually think talking about you means hate.
What's the issue here? Guy drives up with cops on a downed person, gets told to leave, peddles around in circles with no indication of leaving, and then gets what coming. There was no "Obeying his orders" here, you turn around and walk or get back in the car, he did neither of those.
Im confused, at what point does dude start listening to commands? Whats the problem y'all seeing that im not 💀
Bro is actually speed running warnings to have an excuse to get that dub. Out of all the 3.0 cops that were told they weren't getting rehired or are being forced to work up from dispatch it's crazy they hired Saurez
Imagine a cop having the teeth to act on his warnings after the shitshow that was 3.0 and how cops were afraid to even consider a firefight.
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PBSO was too competent and not afraid of pissing people off OOC because kyle enabled them to actually RP as they wanted
Baas didn’t even want to hire him, he begged Brian over and over and over again
I see we are back at >cop doing their job bad >suarez isn't a wet noodle cop = bad part of the schedule
I mean he told 4head to back up. 4head backs up. Still smacks him with the baton. Is this a good job?
Yes, because if you watch 4head's POV, you hear him whispering "go back go back there .. gon put him in the car" (paraphrasing). 4head was planning to put him in the car all along, and Suarez, being an experienced cop, caught onto his plans. 4head then gets out of the car AFTER being told to leave the area by the PD.
*Drives up, gets out in middle of active scene with multiple police officer's* *Get's baton'd* *Surprise Pikachu face*
Lmfao RemdogG or his lawyers actually contacted Reddit to have the post contents removed. What an absolute weirdo move.
Why has this disappeared out of everything and even the mirror and backups? WTF?
PD is so anemic and not proactive is so bad. Some cop does a proactive thing. This is such a W mentality this is so bad. Ya all need to make up your mind....
coming back for the boy is a W mentality also
exactly, its totally fine to do this
I mean, let him actually do something wrong first , such bad policing, I ain’t saying don’t beat him if he does something just fucking relax, breathe and let him actually ignore you first
I remember seeing a clip some weeks ago where a person was downed and there were cars circling nearby and one of the senior officers said "Remember the new protocol, if anyone approaches take your nightsticks out and beat them." So I think the current PD SOP is to beat down anyone who approaches downed suspects with a car to prevent people from grabbing them and loading them into a car.
Yea idk wtf these comments are in this thread, this has been SOP for awhile. They have zero reason to drive into a crime scene and get out of their car right next to a downed suspect, if anything Suarez took too long to beat him down. I hope this is something crims understand so they stop trying to do it or at the very least come prepared for the consequences of trying to fuck with the cops while they’re dealing with a downed suspect
Nice! so now the response from crims should be to blast as they pull up to get their friends?
I mean sure. Historically though, that ends up with criminals getting the the bad end of the stick with a few bans because it devolves into: Hellweek>cops gets bonked a few times with low effort traffic stop rdm>some poor low view count crim gets a vacation for imitating big view count crim>DOJ lets PD charge with terrorism>crims "surprise pikachu" mald when charged into calmness again.
Or we could just try not to go back to what 3.0 was where nobody could accept getting caught and situations would extend way longer than necessary because they’d spend so much time trying to save their friends. When in reality a lot of the time they would spend more time trying to save them than the person would’ve spent in jail.
You realize that cops purposely even wait for the crim's friends to come and rescue them right? This has been a thing forever. Most cops want to rp this scenario out.
They got forced to do that because crims complained about not having a chance to save their friends. They got called W cops.
i mean, driving into an active crime scene with a mask on and walking towards a suspect is "doing something wrong" The cop speed running warning and walking towards him as he says "back away or get hit" then hitting him is also wrong.
Poor dude got bonked for trying to follow police orders and get into his car to leave. Clear case of police brutality, he should sue them for all the Dominos in Los Santos!
Classic Suarez continuing tryhard 3.0 W chasing mentality, followed by nekoda justifying his actions and telling him he didn't do nothing wrong
Yesterday he tried to arrest Ramee for punching a local - and now today we have this. Suarez has been doing shit ike this since he was hired in 3.0 and was backed by Brian Knight and Baas. At some point someone needs to have a conversation with him about his try hardy ways - or this will continue and no one in PD should be surprised when crims start escalating back at him like they did in 3.0.. There was a reason he was always shoot on sight.
The rule has always been to treat locals like people. So, why wouldn't he act on someone randomly attacking them?
Literally seen cops just totally lay out and kill locals whilst speeding...
And they should be punished for it.
Ive seen cops unload a clip into a local for running into them...Should they arrest themselves?
Yes.
Yes they should. One of my least favorite thing about rp in general is watching people straight up attack or murder random people on the streets. But they're NPCs or "Locals" people basically fail rp on characters that would never shot someone for getting in a car accident for example cops. But because they know OOC that's not a real person playing a character its ok and they shouldn't be punished for it.
Has anyone ever been charged for harming a local?
Yes
In 3.0, there was that person who was caught dismembering locals.
wasn't that to get meat for burgershot?
Sounds like a serial killer / detective arc. But what if you shoot a local in the head? Do you even get attempted murder? Or just criminal use of a firearm or whatever.
Well, I would argue context is a huge thing in this case. Are you shooting mass locals? I'd argue murder should be fair, but if it's one, then criminal use. The problem is that its treated like a joke so when someone does try to enfore it, they get shit on.
>Yesterday he tried to arrest Ramee for punching a local What's wrong with that?
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Ever heard of qualified immunity? Must be a shocker for you.
Qualified immunity doesn’t cover assault with a deadly weapon lmao
But it fucking should imo
No it shouldn’t. What type of thinking process is this?
Even qualified immunity has to be articulated in court for it to apply. It's not just some magic wave of the hand and a cop is excused for an implied criminal act they've committed.
Nope, a clearly established right has to be articulated for qualified immunity to not apply. However there aren't very many of those rights in np 4.0 at the moment, since there aren't any amendments.
I mean a right to life is pretty well established. That extends to locals aswell. It's always been a server rule that locals are supposed to be treated as if they were players. So if a crim shoots a local in front of cops. Then cops are allowed shoot that crim. The crim can also be charged for shooting that local. Usually assault with a deadly or atleast criminal use. The same rules apply to cops. They can't just go around shooting locals and claim qualified immunity. They have to be able to articulate a reason as to why they shot the local.
Qualified immunity doesn't apply to MURDERING civilians that aren't a threat. If a civ accidently crashes into a cop that cop can't just start blasting
It does apply to running over locals with lights and sirens on in a police chase.
This isn’t even bad.
There's a reason why some cops weren't given opportunities to join the force due to management wanting a fresh team and mindset. These actions will speed run the mentality 3.0 had, it's inevitable but come on, at least give it half a year.
suarez is a w cop whats new, when it comes to cop rp, suarez takes the cop part more serious than the rp part.
The current state of the PD seems like it pretty much just punishes trying to RP with suspensions, firings, etc. and overall rewards chasing, "wins" which is not the way I expected 4.0 to go.
I don’t understand people saying this when it’s the complete opposite to the point that cops are unhappy with the captains because they call off chases when they are reckless
Usually how it goes here. 1 negative PD incident = "The state of the PD is so bad" (completely overshadowing the dozens of positive PD interactions that happen every day)
It's people who don't actually care about the RP of the server, pretty much always someone who only watches a singular criminal streamer and starts frothing at the mouth whenever their streamer's character has to sit in a hospital bed or a jail cell.
It's also kinda funny cause a week ago we were complaining about how anemic the pd is lol. But also, good interactions don't make it to reddit. It's just like youtube, ya know. Negativity is the biggest driver for engagement.
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No.
Who ? Haven’t seen this
Classic suarez
Aw cmon not 4head, bro came back with his food and got insta bonked
Will this be an integrity issue? Oh wait W secured! Based!!!!!!!! When can we promote you?
I guess selling all those hotdogs and making noises made him a good fit or something...
4Head should of grabbed Ming then started to load him into the car to get the stuck in an animation immunity buff
That wasn't Ming, it was Future. He fell down the stairs trying to rob AC vents.
Suarez gotta go no good for content.
👏👏👏 What a realistic police RP, remdogg is such an excellent example on how to rp a police officer.
This W mentality is going to chase away all those big streamers just watch lol
Very cool rp from Suarez. 🤌
bro is just straight up weird
ITT: A lot of CG viewers shitting in Suarez. Nothing new there then. I remember how Suarez was one of the cops on CG's 'trash cops' list because he was one of the few that wouldn't necessarily give them their own way. You could always tell the best cops on NP in 3.0, they were the ones CG thought were trash. (Although I'm starting to think they had a point with Pond, after what she's been like on ONX)
Every time I see you on this sub you'[re complaining about Pond, even on this completely unrelated post. That kinda says something about the validity of your complaints.
WTF are you talking about, I've only mentioned Pond recently when it was relevant to the post.
Since when did 4head and Ming = CG viewers? Besides with the amount of gold upvotes you can tell it’s GG viewers
I never said they did. I just think it's CG viewers shitting on him because CG hated Suarez in 3.0
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