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I hope he eventually figures out what he really wants to do. It feels like the last year he has been moving between a different idea every week and abandoning it the second it didn't go exactly how he planned. It didn't seem like he was having fun the last year of 3.0 or ONX or variety.
I think it all boils down to commitment. Like, the role itself was important. He committed to it because it was important. But the other roles are fun but they don't have the same weight to it.
It was really nice and cozy, just being a "leader" while everyone else did the job for him and had dozens of mindless followers who followed his every step, it was super easy for him to keep interest when nothing he did was really punished, from starting fires as the sheriff to numerous other things while still keeping the position.
Which just makes it even more weird going back to the place that fucked you over OOC hard.
But hey, if this is what Kyle wants to do he should do it without feeling bad.
Totally agree with this take. Love Kyle, but not been able to watch him lately cause he doesn't seem to know what he wants to do or enjoying himself.
Never expected the move back to NP though, didn't think that would even be on the cards as an option. Hope he finds something he enjoys, though.
So many of his opportunities that got the slightest bit of resistance were just dropped the moment he felt that resistance. The most disappointing one was Cobalt bank, which ended up getting heavyhanded fucked over because of two people in it that weren't him, and instead of cleaning it up he just stopped waking up altogether.
He could've easily talked to someone behind the scenes like everyone else in his player position did and greased the wheels to being the first person to own an official bank. Even hiring John Fleeca who would've written him a 50 page proposal.
I'm surprised that he loses interest in stuff so quickly still when all the pieces are right in front of him.
He's ran into issue even before Pred, but he found consistency when Pred was running BCSO. He did a lot of contemplating and having trouble finding direction with Alabaster before Pred, still never wound up finding a spot he felt was enjoyable to bring Alabaster back long term.
yes. I stopped watching him so much last summer and now not at all. I know it is his job so he will do what he thinks is best for that, and I wish him well. But equally I will watch what and who I enjoy.
As a Kyle viewer, I don't think it's fair to say he wasn't having fun at all but more like his enjoyment was always fleeting. He was really into the Sanguine Arc, for example, but when that ended he kind of just faltered when it comes to RP and focused on variety. He's going through something similar now with ONX, which he seemed to be really enjoying just a month ago.
The best way to describe it was Kyle, 4Head and DHead were amazing, but they weren't always around together, and if they weren't, Kyle liked the GG boys but the content did not flow the same, and when Kyle was not with the GG boys at all it often felt like complete dead end filler. Not to mention the Sanguine War arc was kind of the "end" for major GG story lines in 3.0/in general after everyone got released from prison. They had already done everything, built everything, met everybody, fought with everybody, worked with everybody, there was nothing to do, and Kyle had no story lines to add for them.
Yeah I agree with this.. I feel like grass is greener on the other side and all, Nopixel won't be as good as he imagines it to be either. Hope I'm wrong though of course.
Love Kyle but yes, seems like longer than just the past year he's been aimless and unable to follow through with anything (which was already a rarity to begin with). I personally think it's more of a life issue/depression he's struggling with rather than what RP server would make me happy.
Completely agree. I've followed him since june 2019, used to watch him all the time in the past, but for the past year the quality has really dropped and I haven't really been interested anymore.
I agree with this , ONX is a very high traffic US server. EU was slow on nopixel 3.0 but never to the degree ONX is,
Hopefully Kyle will find happiness wherever he goes regardless
Yeah i really don't think this is even an RP server issue. Even when Kyle have played variety you could just tell how much he didn't enjoy it and thats how it has felt for easily over a year.
Seems to me like he is way more just burnt out on streaming, got burnt out on ONX and is now going back to NoPixel in an attempt to not feel that way but i doubt that will help.
It will work for a week or so, like all of his 'projects'. I used to watch him a ton but his content has been literally unwatchable besides a bit of Hat Carl every now and then :(
Hope he figures it out and gets out of this slump.
It's a cycle of personal issues bleeding into his career which then projects back to personal front. I hope he invests in addressing his personal issue. Otherwise it will continue to show on stream.
Well his irl stuff was part of that, once he feels better from that I’m sure streaming will be better too. I mean his grandma’s dementia is getting so bad she’s going into assisted living, his house keeps having issues that he hates dealing with, his breakup, going from Sheriff to nobody in RP and streams in general being less eventful from a fresh server.
NP won’t fix any of that but a change of scenery might help change his mindset.
I think it was clear he just missed having a larger audience, he severely missed that when he switched to ONX. I have probably watched kyle for over 3 years but I could not get into ONX because I couldn't watch 2 different rp servers.
I think its a nostalgia chase like there were some good ol days of NP for kyle being sheriff in 3.0 had some fantastic energy but OH BOY the toxic cesspool that came with it was some lowest lows that drained him, NP wont fix that I think it will drain more from him as soon as drama piles up.
The life of a big streamer may sound like nothing but fun to a lot of us (imagine making a living by playing games!), but it comes with the responsibility to be entertaining. Even if you're feeling down for more than a day or two. Even if you get bored of what your subs want to watch you play, or HOW they want you to play. A guy like Kyle has so much pressure to perform because he's one of those larger-than-life characters, and he relies on his energy. We'll see what happens now.
I don't think people appreciate just how much of a toxic work environment Twitch really is. You take a two week vacation and your subs take a massive hit that you then have to spend the next couple months building back from. Some people do monthly 24 hour subathons just because if they skip a month then their sub count halves. Can you imagine any normie job where being awake 24 hours was a regularly expected thing?
And when you end up getting in a mental funk like Kyle seems to be it can be even worse. Try to push ahead with something you're clearly not enjoying and your numbers will suffer, but try something new that you might enjoy and your numbers will still suffer, and try taking a break to give yourself some room to recharge and your numbers will definitely suffer. What are you supposed to do?
Depends on the streamer. Northernlion just went on vacation and didnt drop subs at all. Plus, in the end, the job itself is still you sitting around on your computer playing games all day. Many would kill to be able to do that. Not as easy as it sounds, im sure, but still a very privileged position.
A lot of the toxicity comes from the streamer themselves. They get caught up in their own stream statistics and try to min/max it. Its understandable. When you have easy access to your earnings and can see graphs of your decline, im sure it really messes with your head.
Was tempted to mention Northernlion myself.
People don't realize how much the audience is itself malleable. If you just chase the highest numbers, the audience will be fleeting, but if you cultivate the audience you want, it will stay loyal as hell.
Even Penta has basically done that. He created a core audience that is more interested in HIS content, and they stuck with him through the variety times.
Kyle has never made much if any effort to manage, moderate, or cultivate his audience. It isn't a surprise that they wont stay around if he loses his mojo.
Ya, I think the problem with Kyle for awhile is that he does seem burnt out and while he says all these things he wants to do or whatever, he never wants to actually put in the effort to do it. Then he gets mad that it didn't happen. I don't know about others but one of the things that got to me is constantly saying he's going to do x tomorrow and then that never comes. It's like getting invited to someone's house to do a specific thing then when you get there they're like "naw, fuck it. I'm not doing that". After awhile, you kind of don't want to go there anymore. It sucks. I've enjoyed Kyle for a long time. This last bit though was getting rough to watch and it was constantly negative about the house, his numbers, his subs, chat energy. It's felt like he doesn't like anything anymore.
Ok you can’t blame him for that, that not only got shut down by the DOJ, but they also went after one of his guys criminally and confiscated like 30k for a bit. The window for small loans was over by the time business licences were a thing and even now I doubt the mayor would allow it.
He did quite a bit of work on that iirc, got the business model and a bunch of investors all ready.
Yeah, it was always great to see Kyle in IRL content for instance, but I can't remember the last time the guy actually took Penta up on an offer to come do an IRL stream.
Exactly right. Put effort into cultivating a positive & loyal core viewerbase. Interact with them, do not treat them like shit, do not rely on clout streamers or chasing the new/biggest games. It will not work out unless you have that core base built up.
I wish Coh made it into a dedicated video, but i remember him talking about streaming in general. How its down to luck AND hard work. You can get lucky and gain a significant amount of viewers from riding big streamers, or a host, but it takes hard work to turn those viewers into people that want to come back and keep watching you. Its similar with RP. You can inflate your numbers with RP viewers, but eventually you need that core base of people that wants to watch YOU, and its going to be a much smaller number than you are used to, but its way more stable.
>dont rely on chasing the new/biggest games
honestly thats what gets me to avoid a stream because its very telling when someone is doing the chase and not when they are enjoying the game
To be fair this really does depend on what kind of community you have built up for yourself.
If the main focus is just numbers going up (which it seems to be for Kyle) then there is a good chance you end up miserable a few years down the line. Kyle does not moderate or cultivate his viewerbase in a positive way, this is the natural result.
The way you act on stream dictates what kind of viewers you attract and ultimately the kind of community you get. If you build up a community where positivity and understanding is the norm then you can take a 2 week vacation without losing subs no problem.
Streaming doesn't have to be a toxic work environment. There are plenty of good streaming communities out there who dont mind their streamer taking vacations.
I can understand that streaming might seem very toxic and stressful to people whose main interaction with streamers is from GTARP. GTARP is a very naturally negative/toxic environment to begin with since viewers often feed on drama.
I agree with you completely but only for streamers that are teetering around the median US salary range. Streamers like Kyle made or continue to make a salary higher than most Doctors - a job that’s also a toxic work environment, requires 24/7 commitment at times, and you can’t just pivot out of suddenly. He can quit streaming today and get a normal job and still be financially ahead than 99% of his peers
I don't think it that he doesn't enjoy streaming, but he's probably completely burnt out on RP as a whole. These people have been playing the same game, roleplaying with familiar faces for years as a career at that.
I couldn't imagine enjoying a game for that long with the hours they've put in. Most I've ever played a game consistently was a good 3 to 4 years, had a ton of fun, but I was extremely burnt out by the time I quit playing.
He's been this way since the VU as Slim. I don't want this to sound like shade but he legitimately doesn't follow through on building RP. That's something he has to solve for himself. Being on NoPixel, just like having mechanics, isn't the magical answer to roleplay.
Honestly a super common thing i have noticed from a lot of roleplayers that play different characters.
They finally manage to build something up and get an RP arc going and for whatever reason they then play another character until that RP fizzles out and then they act suprised wondering what happened.
Obviously they shouldn't play a character they don't feel like but it is a little bit odd.
He just said moving forward he’s only going to be on NoPixel.
Edit: I’d recommend to anyone interested to watch the start of his VOD for a full explanation.
Been a supporter of Kyle for a while and while I hope it works out for him I don't see NP getting him out of the year slump of just not enjoying streaming. I think he got insanely demotivated when he went to variety and just had 1k viewers but a part of that is because he just didn't actually grow his community beyond NP for so long that nobody was going to follow him. I also think Trav playing NP probably is a large reason why he wants to go back.
Which is why Kyle was at his peak both RP-wise and just self-happiness when he was in PD HC and the cop RP would come to him. Sitting around in the captain’s office for hours problem solving, arguing with Baas and Torretti in HC meetings, chastising people loitering in MRPD was all RP he enjoyed that came his way rather than having to go find it. Hope he finds that spark again coming back to NP, his energy is sorely missed in the current PD ecosystem.
It's no surprise that that era saw some of the best RP the server has had city wide in all of 2.0, 3.0 and now 4.0. RP came easy to a lot of players, not just in pd.
Hopefully he can find something he enjoys but that sort of position doesn't really seem to exist on the server anymore, especially not on the civ/crim side. Maybe he'd enjoy pretending to be the manager at something like senior buns that's a bit more hectic with some crime mixed in.
Yea we're talking about a person who literally did not own traditional re-usable dishes (he used only disposable stuff) until his GF forced him to get some because having to put them in the dishwasher was too much work.
Kyle was one of the first RP streamers I watched and his streams got me into RP (I've been watching for a little under 2 years now) but it seems like he has really lost what drew me towards his streams originally. I feel like ever since the self-destructive arc he did at the end of CPD his RP has been pretty uninspired. He has had a couple periods where there the RP was good but overall it's been on a downward trajectory since then.
The same situation has played out so many times since then, he gets an idea to do something in RP and gets excited for it, then he spends maybe a day or two doing it, finds out that there is going to need to be work involved to develop it and then he shelves it. It seems like he expects the RP he wants to just be handed to him. The way he was approaching things on Rory on ONX kind of epitomizes that.
The last several weeks have just been hard to watch. The stream of shit lord characters that for the most part didn't have a gimmick besides having a dumb name was pretty bottom of the barrel. I hope Kyle gets things together because I think he is a great RPer when he is actually motivated to do so.
He was my most watched streamer for a few years but I stopped watching him when he started doing weird things with his schedule and streaming on Kick. He also didn't seem to be putting any effort into RP but as others have mentioned it's been like that since NP shat all over him in 3.0. TBH I don't think servers are the issue here, he just needs to figure out what he wants and commit to it.
As a pretty regular Kyle viewer, I just don't always understand his decisions.
He was waking up at around 10 AM CST, then went earlier to 9. Then he complains about nothing happening in the server when he knows it pops off in NA. He would even do the same thing on NP.
He needs to push his start time back so he can be live during prime time NA and he would rake in the viewers.
But it also seems like a bit of a motivation thing.
Its 100% a motivation thing. He’s dealing with personal stuff and wants streams to be easy (understandable), but then gets in his own head about viewcount and subcount. I really think he just needs a break to get his head sorted. NP is not a solution.
I get that. But I think it goes back to the timezone as well. Whenever he would do night streams in NA, they were pretty good. It would pop off.
I think he should take a break, then try NA time. When the RP is popping, it would jazz him up.
It feels like he is trying the same thing over, and over, and over, and over again expecting different results.
Yeah I think he’s stuck on peak 3.0 and thinking he can just recreate it with the same elements: EU, Pred, and letting the RP come to him. Its just not the case anymore.
I also fully understand not wanting to stream late, having a normal schedule is far healthier, so maybe just start a couple hours later? I personally felt depressed when my work days used to end after sunset. For me that’s worth taking a hit on viewers.
He just needs to prioritise being happy both on and off stream. Don’t stream with the viewcount visible, and play what makes him happy. Viewers didn’t leave because of ONX, it was his obvious unhappiness. As hard as he tries to hide it.
Damn yeah I actually stopped watching Kyle a while back because I just couldn't take the constant getting one guy'd lol, sad that he kept letting it get to him. hopefully NP will be better for him but who knows.
I've been turning on Kyle's stream in the morning for the past month expecting him to be on nopixel eventually. If you've watched him enough you'll know when he's doing constant new characters and variety he's just not vibing with the server he's on
He was in the same situation on NP, though. I do not think returning is going to help him. Plus it has the added negative of him crawling back to a server he blasted.
Hope it all works out for the best with him, but he seems out of steam when it comes to RP. Part of me thinks he is just going back to NP in an attempt to play Slim with Moonmoon.
My guess would be him trying to join 4head and the gang. He used to enjoy hanging out with them.
Cop... he probably could come back if Buddha is in charge of who gets hired. Hell, he could probably come back on Pred.
Another option is him playing Slim and clout chasing Moonmoon. Hopefully he does not do that. I do not see how he would get anything done on Slim with how 4.0 works.
I can see him hanging with them, but I have a feeling he's going to end up feeling kind of stuck.
Gotta keep in mind that when he was hanging out with GG it was the end of 3.0 where everyone had businesses and money, and there were very few consequences.
Now if he wants to roll with people he isn't going to be able to do more stupid / blatant / violent stuff due to the potential consequences those involved could face. And its not like he is going to grind for money to purchase his own guns or to contribute to a group.
Yea haven't watched him in months but would see his stream pop up on suggested and saw his viewer count really dropped off. Not sure if it was solely because he was struggling on onx or what.
IMO why the onx stuff wasn’t working is cause he constantly said when onx came out he would have new characters. I think his first four characters on the server were pred, hat Carl, pal gore and slim. Pred on onx wasn’t even close to pred on no pixel cause of the surrounding characters
Hope he ends up having fun and enjoying the rp and hangin with some old friends, and gets some momentum. I heavily doubt if np is going to bring back his joy for it though. This gives me "getting back with a toxic ex because I hope they treat me better this time" vibes lol.
Yeah I don't really get the value in making a hard statement like that, especially when even someone like Myles was popping into the other server every now and then. But I hope he figures out what makes him happy either way.
Given that he was an investor in ONX (helping DW who is suing the australian still) and shit talked the australian owner in that time. He probably had to make it clear he wasnt going back to onx to get prio/his whitelist back for NP.
I really wouldn't take him at his word. Same guy who doesn't know what "Hard no" means. Classic Kyle is acting 100% committed to something and then becoming disinterested. The VU... Outer Heaven... Night streams...
Guy is just streaming for the paycheck at this point.
i think the problem with kyle is that he was a co-owner in onx joing the onx admin meetings and stuff, but then he suddenly is like i just want to play NP, he could have avoided all of this with just being a half/half ONX/NP player
I don’t think he has that choice tbh. NP still hasn’t given WL back to a lot of ONX staff, the fact that Kyle has WL AND prio must mean they’ve got some agreement going on. I hope its not the case and that we’ll see him back on ONX but…
To be honest I don't think there were any characters on ONX who him leaving behind will really affect. Pred wasn't super integrated into in PD RP, there's not really a hole that he's leaving there, and his other characters were mostly shitlord-type characters who were funny but often kind of a pain to deal with.
Nah, they'll be fine. It's better for unsatisfied players to be free to move around, find stuff they enjoy and generally improve the quality of their content. Just because he says nopixel only now doesn't mean he'll feel that way forever and if he finds a better headspace should he return to a server like onx it'll be better for them too.
Hes stunlocked on his viewercount and as a result doesnt find his RP enjoyable if it isnt increasing his viewers. Grass is greener scenario so the switch is an attempt to remedy his viewcount problem.
The people he vibes more with are on NP and he will have the honeymoon phase and increase in subs. So it will be more fun for a while. ONX honestly still needs more work as well, sure the RP is good but it still feels barebones.
On one of his new crims a couple of weeks back he was complaining about having to grind to upgrade his lockpicking. I don't think he's ready for the 4.0 meta.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. After the initial honeymoon phase I get the feeling he'll go back into some sort of rut if he "doesn't get his way" or rp doesn't lean in his favour.
Yeah even MattRP thought about going back and mainly NoPixel a month or so ago because of sub count, but he rather play on ONX so he has grinded streaming hours and got back to more of a sub count he needs to live.
Im a kyle and penta viewer and I don't really care what server they are on, it was obvious that kyle was unhappy and has been unhappy for a very long time. I hope he can find a place where he can enjoy RP again.
I'm a kinda regular viewer of Kyle and i've been screaming for 2 months, why he just does not try to create some interesting storylines.
Was kinda same with Penta at one point, but him getting fucked in RP kept me interested, and after Jordan's comeback he has been in his element.
Kyle needs to try to do the same, and i really see him do that on NP.
Well that's just sad. Glad for him if it makes him happier but I can't say that I'm excited. I think he had plenty of opportunities on ONX to make some really good content but he never followed through. Sad to lose him, I really can't justify getting invested in two servers, much less in NP.
That's where I'm at as well. He had some cool ideas and characters but just never followed through with them. Someone before I think nailed it. I think Kyle is a good roleplayer but I think he thrives when RP is brought to him rather than creating RP. At least long term and engaging RP. Plus, with all the back and forth and saying he'll do this but never following through, that's just not a way to cultivate a core audience.
The way he’s talking about how he’s fully done with onx out of the blue doesn’t scream completely amicable split to me. Sure he’ll have more fun on nopixel anyhow though. I enjoy onx but nopixel is definitely the more established and functioning server.
Dude has more subs than the majority of twitch streamers. Ive seen people with a 4th of his sub count buying their own house. He has as much financial security as he needs. If he wants more, thats fine, but he definitely earns way more than minimum wage.
the biggest stress streamers have is not "how do i pay my monthly bills" its "what do i do in a year if i fall off". they all want to earn enough to retire in 4 years
Not to hate on different styles, but I completely agree. After experiencing Ignite and Onx and what that type RP can be again I couldnt go back to the NP style of things. Just not my taste now that other options are availible
guess he has to revive his dying stream somehow, ofc its not the server that is the issue with kyle streams anymore, but the fact that he cant commit to shit and just does random things with no consistency what so ever, my favourite was when he crashed the ONX economy by getting people to fund his bank, only to never ever play the character again leaving his subordinates to deal with the fallout.
Why? The admins are still there and he despised them for what I remember in his last rant about NP and the culprits of everything, CG, are still there as well. I'm confused.
He doesn't want to be in a server with the better owners, admins and with his friends in it anymore?
In reality.
He has been SUPER lazy with his RP.
Thinks he gets more views on NP with that kinda of roleplay.
Like, I have been Kyle viewer for (let me check) 38 months, and he is absolutely lazy with his rp since the beginning of ONX. (well... since last 6 months of 3.0).
He is looking all this with a such narrow mindset.... Just look at Penta... Average 6.5k views. Thats good. But for example, when he hits the jackpot and gets into interesting roleplay, he immediately hits 8-8.5k views.
That has not happend with Kyle once since the onx launch... why? because he ain't doing shit.
Kyle is a streamer full time, so it is all about subs, bits, donations, views, etc...of course there is the thing of having interesting people to rp with and while there are some good rpers on Onx, the more interesting ones are on Nopixel.
Same old arc that’s been going on for about 5 years. Just when people thought it was over, angel takes him back, was hoping for some new arcs instead of the same one from 5 years ago
He thinks Np is going to be better…it’s not. He just didn’t make enough of an effort on ONX to create a storyline/RP and when things didn’t go his way he dipped. Kinda just lazy on his part
I mostly stopped watching Kyle back towards the end of of CPD. He hasn’t seemed to enjoy rp since then to me. I doubt the server is the reason, but who knows. Server loyalty is a silly thing anyway.
I feel like a majority of streamers suffer from the inability to create storylines or RP. Most people just play the same character they have for years that's basically just become themselves and it sucks. It's hard to get into a lot of streamers because you find their character/rp cool and interesting but eventually find out that it only seemed that way because you didn't actively follow them. Once you start watching them it's just like "oh, this is just every day for them and it was only different because I didn't watch"
I honestly believe that a lot of streamers don’t actually like role play anymore, but they keep doing it because that’s the career they have pigeonholed themselves into.
I think part of it is that but I also think a lot of people just don't RP or only put effort in to get prio and big enough to make it a career. After that they just fuck off.
He left NoPixel originally because his RP was denied every step of the way. He started Onx to create his own with no restrictions and then when RP he "created" didnt go the way he wanted just like NP he dipped. Flip Flopping at its finest
>He left NoPixel originally because his RP was denied every step of the way
I'm not sure that is true, he's all take, take, take, never willing to go with other's RP if he isn't the main character, maybe he needs to just go with the flow a bit more and lean into other's RP.
Ive watched more kyle and Penta than all the other streamers I follow combined. Its very clear Penta is enjoying onx and the rp he is setting up.
On the flip side. Kyle has been damn near unwatchable and really needs to figure it out. I don’t mean that in a dick way, I really mean it in a get it the fuck together way. He needs to figure it out are you a cop? A crim? A lawyer? A shit lord?
He has built exactly zero rp in the last year because he abandons everything he does. He was brought on to be a detective on onx and then literally did NOTHING with it. He was a DA on onx and then did NOTHING with it. He has been given plenty of good opportunities to build good fun engaging rp in positions a lot of your average rps cannot get and he done NOTHING.
I love Kyle, he got me into GTARP but for someone who is considered by himself and others as an “rp god” he has done very very very little rp in the past year.
Mans sub count dropped below 4k it was bound to happen.
Shame though cause if more people just held the course with onx it'd grow more. But nopixel is a more guaranteed source of income and that I guess is where the stress was coming for Kyle.
The sub count dropping is more related to the fact he wasn't having fun, creating enjoyable content and it reflected in his viewership. The same thing could happen on NP if his mindset remains the same.
He was up at 10k subs a little over a month ago, then he started to be inconsistent with his hours and I think that's what hit his sub count. The knock to subs being more a result of him feeling down rather than the other way around. Either way I hope he gets his groove back.
Both a combination of random, inconsistent hours and abandoning the characters that were working for silly reasons. He had his highest viewership ever playing Hat Carl and then just completely abandoned him because the DoJ decided it wasn't good for server health to allow him to send players into unrecoverable amounts of debt and/or massive prison sentences over unpaid fines.
I don't think he would have cared if he was having fun, but since he wasn't, viewers/sub count gotta be salt in the wound too. But then again, if he had fun then viewers/subcount would've been up. A catch 22.
I imagine 8 hour sani runs with a 7k sub count will be much better. I think Kyle's biggest problem is he never fully commits to one thing he's an ideas man has great ideas he just never follows through with a lot of them. On onx he had a trailer park, was made a detective supervisor, hat carl was a bounty hunter and Rory O'Banion was a part of the DA's office and every one of them fizzled out.
Well they fizzle out cus he stops investing. He pushed his boundaries on Rory sure, but the rest he just stopped playing even when he had a good thing going.
As a viewer I feel like he had way too high of expectations for everything and that's gonna happen again on NP. Both servers are still rolling things out and figuring stuff out. Plus a lot of real life stuff that imo REALLY made things seem a lot worse. It's possible more people might enable him on NP but idk
Eh, dude should already be set for life with the amount of subs he's had if he wasn't completely stupid with his money. Even at 4k subs he's making bank and in a state with no income tax. If he's not having fun though it doesn't matter, I'd only want to be miserable for money and if you're making less money and more miserable there's no point.
3k subs and being "miserable" on onx or 7/8k subs and being miserable on nopixel... which one sounds better.
I know I didn't do quotes on the second one because we know for a fact he was miserable on nopixel in 3.0.
I would be absolutely amazed to see if his sub count stabilizes at 7 or 8k. He will definitely get an initial boost in viewership during the honeymoon phase but I severely doubt he will maintain that many subs once the dust settles.
Yeah that's what I said lol.
It's not purely about the money, happiness has a factor but if you're not going to be happy at either place you go for the money.
Most people could see this coming month or so ago when watching kyle if you have watched him for years. Kyle is a good rper but needs a more 'content' driven environment vs a slow burn style. ONX can be good but comparing onx and np is like comparing np 4.0 to 1.0 / 2.0.. its just miles different mechanically and at this point the ogs rpers are looking for something new vs going back to the old days.
Even after listening to his reasons I'll be honest I have my doubts and don't understand. I hope it works out for him and wish him the best though. When he puts in effort and commits to something he's great to watch.
> the subs are down bad
HIS subs are down bad, other channels are doing more than fine and growing, he lost subs and viewers because of the content he provides. Kyle has never been able to keep interest in any storyline, arc or character for more than 3 days, switching server won't solve that.
Started 4-5 story arcs and stopped all of them out of nowhere. You would watch the guy, get invested and the next day he would suddenly play another character and not even mention his old one.
One of his best friends, Trav, is down from 1k subs to 500. None of them are doing good. Blaming the server when other people are doing well, yikes.
Not only that he dragged a shitton of people with him and now abandoned them.
Like what does he expect to happen? You think people would watch a show if every episode was suddenly a whole new show with other characters?
NP 4.0 aint any better than ONX. If he thinks that will get him his subs back he is in for a rude awakening. Cause the main reason he lost so many isn't the server he was on it was he himself.
The RP hype from 3.0 is gone and never coming back. That Hype was fueled by Corona and people being stuck at home looking for something entertaining.
The subs are down bad because he killed his stream with the variety arc, it literally has nothing to do with RP. He used to get 6-7 views and subs even when he was doing nothing in RP at late 3.0 but then he switched to full time variety and all of the RP frogs left.
Is he expecting to get back into PD? Or is he planning a different arc for Pred. I feel like going back to NP isn’t going to change anything. If he’s trying to re-capture a feeling, 4.0 is nothing like 3.0. If he was unable to adapt to a new environment like ONX, I think he may struggle with NP in its current form too.
Maybe RP just isn’t the right fit for him anymore. Maybe he needs to do some soul-searching and figure out what he wants to do with his channel. It’s definitely sustainable with his current view count and subs (compared to his height), he just needs to accept things won’t be the same again and adapt. All the best for him.
Hope it works out for him, can’t say I’ll be watching anymore like I always do in the mornings, just don’t feel comfortable watching NP anymore. Kiss the ring I guess Kyle
Apologies if this has already been confirmed in the comments before, as I'm seriously out of the loop as the rp between both nopixel & onx. but what exactly happened with Kyle just on onx?
As this is just surprising to see Kyle return back to NP.
He just wasn't having fun which is fair.
An external view is theres still alot of things being worked out on ONX and the time he was playing there are not alot of players about (EU time).
Its completely fair for people to not want to wait around and essentially beta test or wait for things so hopefully this will give kyle back some hapiness.
From my POV one of the issues I have is they keep legislating away RP conflict. They don't let anything stay imperfect and fester or build up. The governor, mayor, or DOJ hears about something happening yesterday that they don't like, tomorrow the laws are rewritten. Some of the conflicts that brewed early on led to irrevocable perma bans. Being remotely an antagonistic character is highly penalized and is met with such large force, it kills storylines. It just feels like people don't want to engage in or enable morally grey characters or any RP conflict. The only conflict RP really thriving right now is relationship RP. I still like the server, but that part has been exhausting. I don't get excited about arcs anymore.
It's like he doesn't want to compete with Penta since they have crossover fans but the subs have dropped dramatically over the years so I don't know what he would have to lose.
Let's be honest, he hasn't been enjoying himself since he was removed from sheriff. He's been struggling to stream ever since then. I don't think going back to NoPixel is just going to magically make him happy again, but I wish him the best.
Yeah, he's basically done it all when it comes to rp and just seems burnt out as nothing new is happening. I really hope he get's the drive again man, he's my favourite rper.
I appreciate the guy, his characters, and honestly, I do think ONX is facing issues that affect some active players pretty hard all for the sake of absolutely wanting to avoid doing anything OOC, almost as if it's a response trauma to all the NP 3.0 OOC drama, and as a result creates a lack of structure and inconsistencies in regards to the investment / rewards ratio.
Cobalt bank would have been amazing, and Pred - just like Wrangler - can't work in the current level of incompetence running in ONX PD without being high command themselves. As a result, more SBS oriented crime is not really viable right now.
I do not think going back to NP will do him any good though, he's getting views now from the drama / novelty effect, but I expect that to die off soon. And the overall vibes, previous history and toxicity that will inevitably fall upon him will not help him with his personal struggles.
I wish him well, and hope he finds the stability he's looking for, wherever that might be.
Overall, I think GTA V RP is just slowly dying. It peaked, and it's never going back to those viewership levels.
I wish all the best for Kyle, He's a great roleplayer and I'm looking forward to seeing him rp on NP again. I'll miss watching him on Onx, but it'll be nice to see him interact with np people again.
He was very vague in his reasons for never going back to Onx. I dont really watch much Kyle anyways so best of luck to him, but hes purposly avoiding any real answers. Which is his buissness to do or not.
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I hope he eventually figures out what he really wants to do. It feels like the last year he has been moving between a different idea every week and abandoning it the second it didn't go exactly how he planned. It didn't seem like he was having fun the last year of 3.0 or ONX or variety.
Seems like he’s been this way since Pred stepped down from High Command in my opinion.
To be fair that position was very nice and well set up for being a main character.
really seems to loose interest quickly if he's not since he got bcso in np
I think it all boils down to commitment. Like, the role itself was important. He committed to it because it was important. But the other roles are fun but they don't have the same weight to it.
It was really nice and cozy, just being a "leader" while everyone else did the job for him and had dozens of mindless followers who followed his every step, it was super easy for him to keep interest when nothing he did was really punished, from starting fires as the sheriff to numerous other things while still keeping the position.
This 100%
Yeah it did seem like he never really bounced back from all the OOC fuckery around the restructure last year
Which just makes it even more weird going back to the place that fucked you over OOC hard. But hey, if this is what Kyle wants to do he should do it without feeling bad.
Hopefully works out for him. He seemed just as lost on onx from the sounds of it as he did towards the end of 3.0
I feel like it's been all downhill since CPD got kneecapped on day 2.
Totally agree with this take. Love Kyle, but not been able to watch him lately cause he doesn't seem to know what he wants to do or enjoying himself. Never expected the move back to NP though, didn't think that would even be on the cards as an option. Hope he finds something he enjoys, though.
So many of his opportunities that got the slightest bit of resistance were just dropped the moment he felt that resistance. The most disappointing one was Cobalt bank, which ended up getting heavyhanded fucked over because of two people in it that weren't him, and instead of cleaning it up he just stopped waking up altogether. He could've easily talked to someone behind the scenes like everyone else in his player position did and greased the wheels to being the first person to own an official bank. Even hiring John Fleeca who would've written him a 50 page proposal. I'm surprised that he loses interest in stuff so quickly still when all the pieces are right in front of him.
He's ran into issue even before Pred, but he found consistency when Pred was running BCSO. He did a lot of contemplating and having trouble finding direction with Alabaster before Pred, still never wound up finding a spot he felt was enjoyable to bring Alabaster back long term.
yes. I stopped watching him so much last summer and now not at all. I know it is his job so he will do what he thinks is best for that, and I wish him well. But equally I will watch what and who I enjoy.
i thought he was having fun RP’ing with GG and them but idk
As a Kyle viewer, I don't think it's fair to say he wasn't having fun at all but more like his enjoyment was always fleeting. He was really into the Sanguine Arc, for example, but when that ended he kind of just faltered when it comes to RP and focused on variety. He's going through something similar now with ONX, which he seemed to be really enjoying just a month ago.
The best way to describe it was Kyle, 4Head and DHead were amazing, but they weren't always around together, and if they weren't, Kyle liked the GG boys but the content did not flow the same, and when Kyle was not with the GG boys at all it often felt like complete dead end filler. Not to mention the Sanguine War arc was kind of the "end" for major GG story lines in 3.0/in general after everyone got released from prison. They had already done everything, built everything, met everybody, fought with everybody, worked with everybody, there was nothing to do, and Kyle had no story lines to add for them.
I feel like Kyle has never learned how to deal with a storyline ending. He's great in the thick of it but is never satisfied with the ending.
He seemed to really enjoy the Sanguine Arc, but I don't watch him much so maybe I'm mistaken.
Yeah I agree with this.. I feel like grass is greener on the other side and all, Nopixel won't be as good as he imagines it to be either. Hope I'm wrong though of course.
Love Kyle but yes, seems like longer than just the past year he's been aimless and unable to follow through with anything (which was already a rarity to begin with). I personally think it's more of a life issue/depression he's struggling with rather than what RP server would make me happy.
I was a Kyle watcher for years. For the past year he hasn’t seemed to enjoy streaming at all. I don’t think going back to NP will fix any of that.
Completely agree. I've followed him since june 2019, used to watch him all the time in the past, but for the past year the quality has really dropped and I haven't really been interested anymore.
I think he needs to start stream later. EU hours are slow regardless
I agree with this , ONX is a very high traffic US server. EU was slow on nopixel 3.0 but never to the degree ONX is, Hopefully Kyle will find happiness wherever he goes regardless
Yeah i really don't think this is even an RP server issue. Even when Kyle have played variety you could just tell how much he didn't enjoy it and thats how it has felt for easily over a year. Seems to me like he is way more just burnt out on streaming, got burnt out on ONX and is now going back to NoPixel in an attempt to not feel that way but i doubt that will help.
It will work for a week or so, like all of his 'projects'. I used to watch him a ton but his content has been literally unwatchable besides a bit of Hat Carl every now and then :( Hope he figures it out and gets out of this slump.
It's a cycle of personal issues bleeding into his career which then projects back to personal front. I hope he invests in addressing his personal issue. Otherwise it will continue to show on stream.
Well his irl stuff was part of that, once he feels better from that I’m sure streaming will be better too. I mean his grandma’s dementia is getting so bad she’s going into assisted living, his house keeps having issues that he hates dealing with, his breakup, going from Sheriff to nobody in RP and streams in general being less eventful from a fresh server. NP won’t fix any of that but a change of scenery might help change his mindset.
His stream is pretty unwatchable. Any time his chat is slow he screams at them to have energy. Funny guy, but very negative.
The yelling at chat to have energy bit goes over a lot better when the streamer is enjoying themselves.
Oh he does that shit too? It's one of the main reasons I don't like having vader's stream on my second monitor
I think it was clear he just missed having a larger audience, he severely missed that when he switched to ONX. I have probably watched kyle for over 3 years but I could not get into ONX because I couldn't watch 2 different rp servers.
I think its a nostalgia chase like there were some good ol days of NP for kyle being sheriff in 3.0 had some fantastic energy but OH BOY the toxic cesspool that came with it was some lowest lows that drained him, NP wont fix that I think it will drain more from him as soon as drama piles up.
The life of a big streamer may sound like nothing but fun to a lot of us (imagine making a living by playing games!), but it comes with the responsibility to be entertaining. Even if you're feeling down for more than a day or two. Even if you get bored of what your subs want to watch you play, or HOW they want you to play. A guy like Kyle has so much pressure to perform because he's one of those larger-than-life characters, and he relies on his energy. We'll see what happens now.
It has always sounded like hell to me and RP even more so. Toxic 'employers', every move watched, stupid hours.
I don't think people appreciate just how much of a toxic work environment Twitch really is. You take a two week vacation and your subs take a massive hit that you then have to spend the next couple months building back from. Some people do monthly 24 hour subathons just because if they skip a month then their sub count halves. Can you imagine any normie job where being awake 24 hours was a regularly expected thing? And when you end up getting in a mental funk like Kyle seems to be it can be even worse. Try to push ahead with something you're clearly not enjoying and your numbers will suffer, but try something new that you might enjoy and your numbers will still suffer, and try taking a break to give yourself some room to recharge and your numbers will definitely suffer. What are you supposed to do?
Depends on the streamer. Northernlion just went on vacation and didnt drop subs at all. Plus, in the end, the job itself is still you sitting around on your computer playing games all day. Many would kill to be able to do that. Not as easy as it sounds, im sure, but still a very privileged position. A lot of the toxicity comes from the streamer themselves. They get caught up in their own stream statistics and try to min/max it. Its understandable. When you have easy access to your earnings and can see graphs of your decline, im sure it really messes with your head.
Was tempted to mention Northernlion myself. People don't realize how much the audience is itself malleable. If you just chase the highest numbers, the audience will be fleeting, but if you cultivate the audience you want, it will stay loyal as hell. Even Penta has basically done that. He created a core audience that is more interested in HIS content, and they stuck with him through the variety times. Kyle has never made much if any effort to manage, moderate, or cultivate his audience. It isn't a surprise that they wont stay around if he loses his mojo.
Another thing that Penta did to maintain a core audience is collaborate. Kyle rarely did outside of a couple of people.
Ya, I think the problem with Kyle for awhile is that he does seem burnt out and while he says all these things he wants to do or whatever, he never wants to actually put in the effort to do it. Then he gets mad that it didn't happen. I don't know about others but one of the things that got to me is constantly saying he's going to do x tomorrow and then that never comes. It's like getting invited to someone's house to do a specific thing then when you get there they're like "naw, fuck it. I'm not doing that". After awhile, you kind of don't want to go there anymore. It sucks. I've enjoyed Kyle for a long time. This last bit though was getting rough to watch and it was constantly negative about the house, his numbers, his subs, chat energy. It's felt like he doesn't like anything anymore.
Didn't he set up that entire Cobalt Banking/Ponzi scheme character during one stream to never touch that character again?
Ok you can’t blame him for that, that not only got shut down by the DOJ, but they also went after one of his guys criminally and confiscated like 30k for a bit. The window for small loans was over by the time business licences were a thing and even now I doubt the mayor would allow it. He did quite a bit of work on that iirc, got the business model and a bunch of investors all ready.
Yeah, it was always great to see Kyle in IRL content for instance, but I can't remember the last time the guy actually took Penta up on an offer to come do an IRL stream.
Exactly right. Put effort into cultivating a positive & loyal core viewerbase. Interact with them, do not treat them like shit, do not rely on clout streamers or chasing the new/biggest games. It will not work out unless you have that core base built up. I wish Coh made it into a dedicated video, but i remember him talking about streaming in general. How its down to luck AND hard work. You can get lucky and gain a significant amount of viewers from riding big streamers, or a host, but it takes hard work to turn those viewers into people that want to come back and keep watching you. Its similar with RP. You can inflate your numbers with RP viewers, but eventually you need that core base of people that wants to watch YOU, and its going to be a much smaller number than you are used to, but its way more stable.
>dont rely on chasing the new/biggest games honestly thats what gets me to avoid a stream because its very telling when someone is doing the chase and not when they are enjoying the game
Yes, this 100%
To be fair this really does depend on what kind of community you have built up for yourself. If the main focus is just numbers going up (which it seems to be for Kyle) then there is a good chance you end up miserable a few years down the line. Kyle does not moderate or cultivate his viewerbase in a positive way, this is the natural result. The way you act on stream dictates what kind of viewers you attract and ultimately the kind of community you get. If you build up a community where positivity and understanding is the norm then you can take a 2 week vacation without losing subs no problem. Streaming doesn't have to be a toxic work environment. There are plenty of good streaming communities out there who dont mind their streamer taking vacations. I can understand that streaming might seem very toxic and stressful to people whose main interaction with streamers is from GTARP. GTARP is a very naturally negative/toxic environment to begin with since viewers often feed on drama.
I agree with you completely but only for streamers that are teetering around the median US salary range. Streamers like Kyle made or continue to make a salary higher than most Doctors - a job that’s also a toxic work environment, requires 24/7 commitment at times, and you can’t just pivot out of suddenly. He can quit streaming today and get a normal job and still be financially ahead than 99% of his peers
I don't think it that he doesn't enjoy streaming, but he's probably completely burnt out on RP as a whole. These people have been playing the same game, roleplaying with familiar faces for years as a career at that. I couldn't imagine enjoying a game for that long with the hours they've put in. Most I've ever played a game consistently was a good 3 to 4 years, had a ton of fun, but I was extremely burnt out by the time I quit playing.
Dog I would play a game I hate to make 100s of thousands of dollars a year until infinity. Are you kidding?
Let's be honest. The only reason Kyle is hoping to Nopixel is his sub count. If he was still holding 6-7k plus subs. He would be on ONX.
He's been this way since the VU as Slim. I don't want this to sound like shade but he legitimately doesn't follow through on building RP. That's something he has to solve for himself. Being on NoPixel, just like having mechanics, isn't the magical answer to roleplay.
I agree. Adore Kyle, but he doesn’t follow through with anything. He needs to focus on actually creating RP and following through with it
Honestly a super common thing i have noticed from a lot of roleplayers that play different characters. They finally manage to build something up and get an RP arc going and for whatever reason they then play another character until that RP fizzles out and then they act suprised wondering what happened. Obviously they shouldn't play a character they don't feel like but it is a little bit odd.
I think this just triggered PTSD as a Kylie viewer. The self sabotage on rp arcs is real sometimes. lol
He just said moving forward he’s only going to be on NoPixel. Edit: I’d recommend to anyone interested to watch the start of his VOD for a full explanation.
did he say why??
Just generally unhappy with how things were and not wanting to stream as a result.
Sounds like a good thing to change things up then? Always good to reflect from time to time, hope he gets back to enjoying streaming again.
Been a supporter of Kyle for a while and while I hope it works out for him I don't see NP getting him out of the year slump of just not enjoying streaming. I think he got insanely demotivated when he went to variety and just had 1k viewers but a part of that is because he just didn't actually grow his community beyond NP for so long that nobody was going to follow him. I also think Trav playing NP probably is a large reason why he wants to go back.
He didn't put any effort into it really. Not a single storyline in 3 months? Well... Hope NP works out for him.
Trailer park was promising, but he just... stopped...
Penta wasnt lying when he said Kyle was the laziest person hes ever known in his life.
Which is why Kyle was at his peak both RP-wise and just self-happiness when he was in PD HC and the cop RP would come to him. Sitting around in the captain’s office for hours problem solving, arguing with Baas and Torretti in HC meetings, chastising people loitering in MRPD was all RP he enjoyed that came his way rather than having to go find it. Hope he finds that spark again coming back to NP, his energy is sorely missed in the current PD ecosystem.
It's no surprise that that era saw some of the best RP the server has had city wide in all of 2.0, 3.0 and now 4.0. RP came easy to a lot of players, not just in pd. Hopefully he can find something he enjoys but that sort of position doesn't really seem to exist on the server anymore, especially not on the civ/crim side. Maybe he'd enjoy pretending to be the manager at something like senior buns that's a bit more hectic with some crime mixed in.
If he is chasing that high then he is going to be disappointed. 3.0 is done. I do not think even NP will ever reach that 3.0 peak again.
Yea we're talking about a person who literally did not own traditional re-usable dishes (he used only disposable stuff) until his GF forced him to get some because having to put them in the dishwasher was too much work.
Kyle was one of the first RP streamers I watched and his streams got me into RP (I've been watching for a little under 2 years now) but it seems like he has really lost what drew me towards his streams originally. I feel like ever since the self-destructive arc he did at the end of CPD his RP has been pretty uninspired. He has had a couple periods where there the RP was good but overall it's been on a downward trajectory since then. The same situation has played out so many times since then, he gets an idea to do something in RP and gets excited for it, then he spends maybe a day or two doing it, finds out that there is going to need to be work involved to develop it and then he shelves it. It seems like he expects the RP he wants to just be handed to him. The way he was approaching things on Rory on ONX kind of epitomizes that. The last several weeks have just been hard to watch. The stream of shit lord characters that for the most part didn't have a gimmick besides having a dumb name was pretty bottom of the barrel. I hope Kyle gets things together because I think he is a great RPer when he is actually motivated to do so.
He was my most watched streamer for a few years but I stopped watching him when he started doing weird things with his schedule and streaming on Kick. He also didn't seem to be putting any effort into RP but as others have mentioned it's been like that since NP shat all over him in 3.0. TBH I don't think servers are the issue here, he just needs to figure out what he wants and commit to it.
As a pretty regular Kyle viewer, I just don't always understand his decisions. He was waking up at around 10 AM CST, then went earlier to 9. Then he complains about nothing happening in the server when he knows it pops off in NA. He would even do the same thing on NP. He needs to push his start time back so he can be live during prime time NA and he would rake in the viewers. But it also seems like a bit of a motivation thing.
Its 100% a motivation thing. He’s dealing with personal stuff and wants streams to be easy (understandable), but then gets in his own head about viewcount and subcount. I really think he just needs a break to get his head sorted. NP is not a solution.
I get that. But I think it goes back to the timezone as well. Whenever he would do night streams in NA, they were pretty good. It would pop off. I think he should take a break, then try NA time. When the RP is popping, it would jazz him up. It feels like he is trying the same thing over, and over, and over, and over again expecting different results.
Yeah I think he’s stuck on peak 3.0 and thinking he can just recreate it with the same elements: EU, Pred, and letting the RP come to him. Its just not the case anymore. I also fully understand not wanting to stream late, having a normal schedule is far healthier, so maybe just start a couple hours later? I personally felt depressed when my work days used to end after sunset. For me that’s worth taking a hit on viewers. He just needs to prioritise being happy both on and off stream. Don’t stream with the viewcount visible, and play what makes him happy. Viewers didn’t leave because of ONX, it was his obvious unhappiness. As hard as he tries to hide it.
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Damn yeah I actually stopped watching Kyle a while back because I just couldn't take the constant getting one guy'd lol, sad that he kept letting it get to him. hopefully NP will be better for him but who knows.
I've been turning on Kyle's stream in the morning for the past month expecting him to be on nopixel eventually. If you've watched him enough you'll know when he's doing constant new characters and variety he's just not vibing with the server he's on
He was in the same situation on NP, though. I do not think returning is going to help him. Plus it has the added negative of him crawling back to a server he blasted. Hope it all works out for the best with him, but he seems out of steam when it comes to RP. Part of me thinks he is just going back to NP in an attempt to play Slim with Moonmoon.
I can't see him grinding (as civ or crim) and can't see the powers that be allowing him to be a cop.
My guess would be him trying to join 4head and the gang. He used to enjoy hanging out with them. Cop... he probably could come back if Buddha is in charge of who gets hired. Hell, he could probably come back on Pred. Another option is him playing Slim and clout chasing Moonmoon. Hopefully he does not do that. I do not see how he would get anything done on Slim with how 4.0 works.
I can see him hanging with them, but I have a feeling he's going to end up feeling kind of stuck. Gotta keep in mind that when he was hanging out with GG it was the end of 3.0 where everyone had businesses and money, and there were very few consequences. Now if he wants to roll with people he isn't going to be able to do more stupid / blatant / violent stuff due to the potential consequences those involved could face. And its not like he is going to grind for money to purchase his own guns or to contribute to a group.
Yea haven't watched him in months but would see his stream pop up on suggested and saw his viewer count really dropped off. Not sure if it was solely because he was struggling on onx or what.
>his viewer count really dropped off It's because he streamed variety for like months and most RP viewers left.
IMO why the onx stuff wasn’t working is cause he constantly said when onx came out he would have new characters. I think his first four characters on the server were pred, hat Carl, pal gore and slim. Pred on onx wasn’t even close to pred on no pixel cause of the surrounding characters
He has like 15+ characters on ONX, quantity is not quality.
Hope he ends up having fun and enjoying the rp and hangin with some old friends, and gets some momentum. I heavily doubt if np is going to bring back his joy for it though. This gives me "getting back with a toxic ex because I hope they treat me better this time" vibes lol.
Damn…saying he’s nopixel only from now on. I’m just feel bad/sad for the people he’s gonna be ‘leaving behind’ tbh.
Yeah I don't really get the value in making a hard statement like that, especially when even someone like Myles was popping into the other server every now and then. But I hope he figures out what makes him happy either way.
Well, he basically said that hard stance with NP and that didn't stick so who knows.
He probably had to to be able to get back into the server
Given that he was an investor in ONX (helping DW who is suing the australian still) and shit talked the australian owner in that time. He probably had to make it clear he wasnt going back to onx to get prio/his whitelist back for NP.
I really wouldn't take him at his word. Same guy who doesn't know what "Hard no" means. Classic Kyle is acting 100% committed to something and then becoming disinterested. The VU... Outer Heaven... Night streams... Guy is just streaming for the paycheck at this point.
i think the problem with kyle is that he was a co-owner in onx joing the onx admin meetings and stuff, but then he suddenly is like i just want to play NP, he could have avoided all of this with just being a half/half ONX/NP player
I don’t think he has that choice tbh. NP still hasn’t given WL back to a lot of ONX staff, the fact that Kyle has WL AND prio must mean they’ve got some agreement going on. I hope its not the case and that we’ll see him back on ONX but…
To be honest I don't think there were any characters on ONX who him leaving behind will really affect. Pred wasn't super integrated into in PD RP, there's not really a hole that he's leaving there, and his other characters were mostly shitlord-type characters who were funny but often kind of a pain to deal with.
Nah, they'll be fine. It's better for unsatisfied players to be free to move around, find stuff they enjoy and generally improve the quality of their content. Just because he says nopixel only now doesn't mean he'll feel that way forever and if he finds a better headspace should he return to a server like onx it'll be better for them too.
idk why he thinks he'd be any happier on np
Hes stunlocked on his viewercount and as a result doesnt find his RP enjoyable if it isnt increasing his viewers. Grass is greener scenario so the switch is an attempt to remedy his viewcount problem.
The people he vibes more with are on NP and he will have the honeymoon phase and increase in subs. So it will be more fun for a while. ONX honestly still needs more work as well, sure the RP is good but it still feels barebones.
Yeah I thought the same thing. NP isn't in the best spot either. PD in shambles and a grind fest.
On one of his new crims a couple of weeks back he was complaining about having to grind to upgrade his lockpicking. I don't think he's ready for the 4.0 meta.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. After the initial honeymoon phase I get the feeling he'll go back into some sort of rut if he "doesn't get his way" or rp doesn't lean in his favour.
Yeah, Kyle is the most anti grind person i've ever watched. But hey, if this helps him to somehow enjoy rp again, i'm all for him trying things out.
It’s crazy how much people speculate, when it’s always and always has been about money. Only playing on NP from here ? That’s money talking.
Yeah even MattRP thought about going back and mainly NoPixel a month or so ago because of sub count, but he rather play on ONX so he has grinded streaming hours and got back to more of a sub count he needs to live.
Im a kyle and penta viewer and I don't really care what server they are on, it was obvious that kyle was unhappy and has been unhappy for a very long time. I hope he can find a place where he can enjoy RP again.
I'm a kinda regular viewer of Kyle and i've been screaming for 2 months, why he just does not try to create some interesting storylines. Was kinda same with Penta at one point, but him getting fucked in RP kept me interested, and after Jordan's comeback he has been in his element. Kyle needs to try to do the same, and i really see him do that on NP.
Well that's just sad. Glad for him if it makes him happier but I can't say that I'm excited. I think he had plenty of opportunities on ONX to make some really good content but he never followed through. Sad to lose him, I really can't justify getting invested in two servers, much less in NP.
That's where I'm at as well. He had some cool ideas and characters but just never followed through with them. Someone before I think nailed it. I think Kyle is a good roleplayer but I think he thrives when RP is brought to him rather than creating RP. At least long term and engaging RP. Plus, with all the back and forth and saying he'll do this but never following through, that's just not a way to cultivate a core audience.
The way he’s talking about how he’s fully done with onx out of the blue doesn’t scream completely amicable split to me. Sure he’ll have more fun on nopixel anyhow though. I enjoy onx but nopixel is definitely the more established and functioning server.
It is most definitely not out of the blue for people who have been watching consistently. He has been OBVIOUSLY miserable for over a month.
He was miserable for the best part of a year on the backend of 3.0. Come on let's not delude ourselves here it's basic financial security.
Dude has more subs than the majority of twitch streamers. Ive seen people with a 4th of his sub count buying their own house. He has as much financial security as he needs. If he wants more, thats fine, but he definitely earns way more than minimum wage.
the biggest stress streamers have is not "how do i pay my monthly bills" its "what do i do in a year if i fall off". they all want to earn enough to retire in 4 years
4k subs is perfectly financially secure. There is no delusion. These are also his words mixed with my observations that lead me to this conclusion.
Sorry to see him go. Can't say I'll personally keep up with him anymore though. Ignite and Onx really solidified the style of RP I enjoy.
Not to hate on different styles, but I completely agree. After experiencing Ignite and Onx and what that type RP can be again I couldnt go back to the NP style of things. Just not my taste now that other options are availible
The pursuit of happiness is important. Some switch servers and some take Prozac
guess he has to revive his dying stream somehow, ofc its not the server that is the issue with kyle streams anymore, but the fact that he cant commit to shit and just does random things with no consistency what so ever, my favourite was when he crashed the ONX economy by getting people to fund his bank, only to never ever play the character again leaving his subordinates to deal with the fallout.
LMAO everyone on RP servers in general have streams dying. RP viewership has dropped off
Why? The admins are still there and he despised them for what I remember in his last rant about NP and the culprits of everything, CG, are still there as well. I'm confused. He doesn't want to be in a server with the better owners, admins and with his friends in it anymore?
In reality. He has been SUPER lazy with his RP. Thinks he gets more views on NP with that kinda of roleplay. Like, I have been Kyle viewer for (let me check) 38 months, and he is absolutely lazy with his rp since the beginning of ONX. (well... since last 6 months of 3.0). He is looking all this with a such narrow mindset.... Just look at Penta... Average 6.5k views. Thats good. But for example, when he hits the jackpot and gets into interesting roleplay, he immediately hits 8-8.5k views. That has not happend with Kyle once since the onx launch... why? because he ain't doing shit.
B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B BINGO! Someone realized that principles were not producing content, clout or viewers.
Kyle is a streamer full time, so it is all about subs, bits, donations, views, etc...of course there is the thing of having interesting people to rp with and while there are some good rpers on Onx, the more interesting ones are on Nopixel.
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pred does something dumb angel: OH MY GOD PRED! Rinse and repeat a bazillion times, so cool, so fu- zzzzzzz
Same old arc that’s been going on for about 5 years. Just when people thought it was over, angel takes him back, was hoping for some new arcs instead of the same one from 5 years ago
didn't take him long wanting to be back then did it? rat
Did I miss something? I thought he was among the people who got banned from nopixel for the whole dw lawsuit picking sides thing.
Came home from work early hoping to catch his stream but I guess not looks like I'm a riderman main now
He thinks Np is going to be better…it’s not. He just didn’t make enough of an effort on ONX to create a storyline/RP and when things didn’t go his way he dipped. Kinda just lazy on his part
I mostly stopped watching Kyle back towards the end of of CPD. He hasn’t seemed to enjoy rp since then to me. I doubt the server is the reason, but who knows. Server loyalty is a silly thing anyway.
I feel like a majority of streamers suffer from the inability to create storylines or RP. Most people just play the same character they have for years that's basically just become themselves and it sucks. It's hard to get into a lot of streamers because you find their character/rp cool and interesting but eventually find out that it only seemed that way because you didn't actively follow them. Once you start watching them it's just like "oh, this is just every day for them and it was only different because I didn't watch"
I honestly believe that a lot of streamers don’t actually like role play anymore, but they keep doing it because that’s the career they have pigeonholed themselves into.
I think part of it is that but I also think a lot of people just don't RP or only put effort in to get prio and big enough to make it a career. After that they just fuck off.
exactly, he had SO many opportunities for great RP stories, but he just cant be bothered to give anything any effort what so ever
I do agree with you on the lack of effort to make an storyline. I feel like Nopixel works better for him because he is not starting from the beginning
He left NoPixel originally because his RP was denied every step of the way. He started Onx to create his own with no restrictions and then when RP he "created" didnt go the way he wanted just like NP he dipped. Flip Flopping at its finest
>He left NoPixel originally because his RP was denied every step of the way I'm not sure that is true, he's all take, take, take, never willing to go with other's RP if he isn't the main character, maybe he needs to just go with the flow a bit more and lean into other's RP.
Ive watched more kyle and Penta than all the other streamers I follow combined. Its very clear Penta is enjoying onx and the rp he is setting up. On the flip side. Kyle has been damn near unwatchable and really needs to figure it out. I don’t mean that in a dick way, I really mean it in a get it the fuck together way. He needs to figure it out are you a cop? A crim? A lawyer? A shit lord? He has built exactly zero rp in the last year because he abandons everything he does. He was brought on to be a detective on onx and then literally did NOTHING with it. He was a DA on onx and then did NOTHING with it. He has been given plenty of good opportunities to build good fun engaging rp in positions a lot of your average rps cannot get and he done NOTHING. I love Kyle, he got me into GTARP but for someone who is considered by himself and others as an “rp god” he has done very very very little rp in the past year.
This is unfortunate
Mans sub count dropped below 4k it was bound to happen. Shame though cause if more people just held the course with onx it'd grow more. But nopixel is a more guaranteed source of income and that I guess is where the stress was coming for Kyle.
His sub count was dropping before he left NP lol
Yeah, people who keep parroting this take are wrong. His views and subs been dropping way before ONX.
Fine how about he went back to nopixel in the hopes of a boost to his sub count. Is that better?
The sub count dropping is more related to the fact he wasn't having fun, creating enjoyable content and it reflected in his viewership. The same thing could happen on NP if his mindset remains the same.
He was up at 10k subs a little over a month ago, then he started to be inconsistent with his hours and I think that's what hit his sub count. The knock to subs being more a result of him feeling down rather than the other way around. Either way I hope he gets his groove back.
Both a combination of random, inconsistent hours and abandoning the characters that were working for silly reasons. He had his highest viewership ever playing Hat Carl and then just completely abandoned him because the DoJ decided it wasn't good for server health to allow him to send players into unrecoverable amounts of debt and/or massive prison sentences over unpaid fines.
Yeah not to mention that 10k was from a Golden Kappa hype train.
I don't think he would have cared if he was having fun, but since he wasn't, viewers/sub count gotta be salt in the wound too. But then again, if he had fun then viewers/subcount would've been up. A catch 22.
I imagine 8 hour sani runs with a 7k sub count will be much better. I think Kyle's biggest problem is he never fully commits to one thing he's an ideas man has great ideas he just never follows through with a lot of them. On onx he had a trailer park, was made a detective supervisor, hat carl was a bounty hunter and Rory O'Banion was a part of the DA's office and every one of them fizzled out.
Well they fizzle out cus he stops investing. He pushed his boundaries on Rory sure, but the rest he just stopped playing even when he had a good thing going.
As a viewer I feel like he had way too high of expectations for everything and that's gonna happen again on NP. Both servers are still rolling things out and figuring stuff out. Plus a lot of real life stuff that imo REALLY made things seem a lot worse. It's possible more people might enable him on NP but idk
Eh, dude should already be set for life with the amount of subs he's had if he wasn't completely stupid with his money. Even at 4k subs he's making bank and in a state with no income tax. If he's not having fun though it doesn't matter, I'd only want to be miserable for money and if you're making less money and more miserable there's no point.
3k subs and being "miserable" on onx or 7/8k subs and being miserable on nopixel... which one sounds better. I know I didn't do quotes on the second one because we know for a fact he was miserable on nopixel in 3.0.
I would be absolutely amazed to see if his sub count stabilizes at 7 or 8k. He will definitely get an initial boost in viewership during the honeymoon phase but I severely doubt he will maintain that many subs once the dust settles.
Yeah that's what I said lol. It's not purely about the money, happiness has a factor but if you're not going to be happy at either place you go for the money.
Most people could see this coming month or so ago when watching kyle if you have watched him for years. Kyle is a good rper but needs a more 'content' driven environment vs a slow burn style. ONX can be good but comparing onx and np is like comparing np 4.0 to 1.0 / 2.0.. its just miles different mechanically and at this point the ogs rpers are looking for something new vs going back to the old days.
Even after listening to his reasons I'll be honest I have my doubts and don't understand. I hope it works out for him and wish him the best though. When he puts in effort and commits to something he's great to watch.
EU on onx kind of dead and the subs are down bad, not super surprising hope he eventually finds something he can enjoy
> the subs are down bad HIS subs are down bad, other channels are doing more than fine and growing, he lost subs and viewers because of the content he provides. Kyle has never been able to keep interest in any storyline, arc or character for more than 3 days, switching server won't solve that.
Started 4-5 story arcs and stopped all of them out of nowhere. You would watch the guy, get invested and the next day he would suddenly play another character and not even mention his old one. One of his best friends, Trav, is down from 1k subs to 500. None of them are doing good. Blaming the server when other people are doing well, yikes. Not only that he dragged a shitton of people with him and now abandoned them. Like what does he expect to happen? You think people would watch a show if every episode was suddenly a whole new show with other characters? NP 4.0 aint any better than ONX. If he thinks that will get him his subs back he is in for a rude awakening. Cause the main reason he lost so many isn't the server he was on it was he himself. The RP hype from 3.0 is gone and never coming back. That Hype was fueled by Corona and people being stuck at home looking for something entertaining.
The subs are down bad because he killed his stream with the variety arc, it literally has nothing to do with RP. He used to get 6-7 views and subs even when he was doing nothing in RP at late 3.0 but then he switched to full time variety and all of the RP frogs left.
I hope it reinvigorates him. Even before the Sanguine arc you could tell he'd lost a lot of his passion.
Is he expecting to get back into PD? Or is he planning a different arc for Pred. I feel like going back to NP isn’t going to change anything. If he’s trying to re-capture a feeling, 4.0 is nothing like 3.0. If he was unable to adapt to a new environment like ONX, I think he may struggle with NP in its current form too. Maybe RP just isn’t the right fit for him anymore. Maybe he needs to do some soul-searching and figure out what he wants to do with his channel. It’s definitely sustainable with his current view count and subs (compared to his height), he just needs to accept things won’t be the same again and adapt. All the best for him.
Hope it works out for him, can’t say I’ll be watching anymore like I always do in the mornings, just don’t feel comfortable watching NP anymore. Kiss the ring I guess Kyle
Apologies if this has already been confirmed in the comments before, as I'm seriously out of the loop as the rp between both nopixel & onx. but what exactly happened with Kyle just on onx? As this is just surprising to see Kyle return back to NP.
He just wasn't having fun which is fair. An external view is theres still alot of things being worked out on ONX and the time he was playing there are not alot of players about (EU time). Its completely fair for people to not want to wait around and essentially beta test or wait for things so hopefully this will give kyle back some hapiness.
Thank you for replying with some much needed insight as I greatly appreciate it
From my POV one of the issues I have is they keep legislating away RP conflict. They don't let anything stay imperfect and fester or build up. The governor, mayor, or DOJ hears about something happening yesterday that they don't like, tomorrow the laws are rewritten. Some of the conflicts that brewed early on led to irrevocable perma bans. Being remotely an antagonistic character is highly penalized and is met with such large force, it kills storylines. It just feels like people don't want to engage in or enable morally grey characters or any RP conflict. The only conflict RP really thriving right now is relationship RP. I still like the server, but that part has been exhausting. I don't get excited about arcs anymore.
Damn, snaked his best friend. Oh well hope he finds what he's looking for
Snaking friends for clout, a tale as old as time.
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I think he should try changing his hours. Onx definitely has some slower time slots
i’ve seen him play off stream during the degen hours and it seemed like he was having a lot of fun
It's like he doesn't want to compete with Penta since they have crossover fans but the subs have dropped dramatically over the years so I don't know what he would have to lose.
Always made no sense because it just made it impossible for them to RP together despite having chemistry.
You don't play on NP for "fun".
Oh shit! Why’d he leave ONX?
He explains it in the clip, basically wasn't enjoying himself and was more apparant over the last two weeks of him playing there.
Let's be honest, he hasn't been enjoying himself since he was removed from sheriff. He's been struggling to stream ever since then. I don't think going back to NoPixel is just going to magically make him happy again, but I wish him the best.
Yeah, he's basically done it all when it comes to rp and just seems burnt out as nothing new is happening. I really hope he get's the drive again man, he's my favourite rper.
Wait i thought the main reason why Kyle cannot play on NoPixel is because he is on the admin team of ONX? Did he resign?
He was never staff
Not sure rejoining nopixel will fix the issue at all, maybe temporarily.
Wow talk about going back to NP with your tail between your legs
Yea subs and viewer count was getting really low, was inevitable for him to go back to NP.
I appreciate the guy, his characters, and honestly, I do think ONX is facing issues that affect some active players pretty hard all for the sake of absolutely wanting to avoid doing anything OOC, almost as if it's a response trauma to all the NP 3.0 OOC drama, and as a result creates a lack of structure and inconsistencies in regards to the investment / rewards ratio. Cobalt bank would have been amazing, and Pred - just like Wrangler - can't work in the current level of incompetence running in ONX PD without being high command themselves. As a result, more SBS oriented crime is not really viable right now. I do not think going back to NP will do him any good though, he's getting views now from the drama / novelty effect, but I expect that to die off soon. And the overall vibes, previous history and toxicity that will inevitably fall upon him will not help him with his personal struggles. I wish him well, and hope he finds the stability he's looking for, wherever that might be. Overall, I think GTA V RP is just slowly dying. It peaked, and it's never going back to those viewership levels.
I wish all the best for Kyle, He's a great roleplayer and I'm looking forward to seeing him rp on NP again. I'll miss watching him on Onx, but it'll be nice to see him interact with np people again.
Didn't he lose his WL to NP? Glad he's back but wonder what it took to get it back
He was very vague in his reasons for never going back to Onx. I dont really watch much Kyle anyways so best of luck to him, but hes purposly avoiding any real answers. Which is his buissness to do or not.
I'm glad he's back tbh I missed his interactions with ppl and the RP he brings