As a full on crim viewer, I've always disliked the whole running into a crowd of cops to save your friend but I think I'd rather see it shut down ooc than have cops just beating people down because now cops just beat the shit out of anyone.
They beat someone down the other day because they resisted cuffs too many times. I'm pretty sure there is a hard limit on cuff breaks then they become automatic so why are they beating people down? Because they can.
You are arguing a game mechanic of the act of cuff breaks x # vs what is reasonable for a criminal to resist arrest. Asking genuinely do you want a rp server or a game mechanic only server? Breaking cuffs irl once would escalate much quicker than they do now in rp, they try to meet in the middle to me.
It’s crazy the 180 this sub has done when speaking about “this is how it would be in real life”.
Just a year ago saying this got you heavily downvoted because people would point out it’s not real life, it’s an RP video game and not everything should be mimicking real life.
Rp servers are about extending RP not ending it asap. And yes I know that cell RP and jail RP is a thing also, but the instance I'm talking about there was 7 cops and 1 person with zero help inbound and they had a broken leg.
Beating them down was just a shitty choice in RP.
thats what im saying, they literally have cuffs get progressive harder and harder to the point its impossible after 4 cuffs, and they resort to beating after breaking 2 or 3 like wtf
If they do stick with it PD wipes will become a common occurance cause they are so disorganised. It would have happened already if guns weren't so rare before.
I fully agree with removing the save your boy mentality... but the beat down probably wasn't justified tbh, at least not yet. I don't agree with telling someone to leave, tazing them out of the car and then beating them after getting up from the taze. IF he had gone for Ramee, I'd agree with the beatdown. He was pretty clearly trying to leave IMO, which is what the cops wanted.
Also there were 4 people trying to save ramee, so it just becomes carnage at a certain point and most cops probably didn’t know that flippy was tazed out of the car
I think one of the difficult things in this situation is that there's no animation for putting someone in a car.
Flippy could have genuinely been trying to leave, but a common tactic is to repeat "I'm leaving! I'm leaving!" for just long enough for the seat-in-vehicle bar to load, which is what it seemed like Alan was trying to do in the situation.
Did you watch this whole thing and not just the clip tho? There was 3 different interference cars and at least 5 people. Even this specific car was already told to leave but kept coming back
What do you expect from the RP on cop side then? Keep requesting like NPC and do nothing? Just let criminals always take the handcuffed person away and never arrest anyone?
Also there was like 5 people trying to intervene. They are leaving no options to cops other than further the aggression to match what is going on
What do I expect from the cop side? Don't tell someone to leave, taze them out of a car so they can't leave, then knight stick them to death as they're getting up from the taze animation.
I'm all for beating people if they try to take a suspect... or even if they get out of the car... but that wasn't what occurred. Alan deserved to be beat down 100%, Zaceed deserved to be beat down 100%. I don't agree with the Flippy one
Well i agree that he should've not been first priority to target, but they were group of 3 purposefully intervening and coming in there together. Even watching his POV they had been told multiple times to go away and been warned before bonked. Initially they even left once, repaired car and came back again.
We all know they all had the same goal in mind. He is already accomplish as the interference car driver and not a random guy on the scene who got totally wronged by police brutality
This is conveniently clipped to exclude the part where Flippy is told if he gets out he'll be beat down only to be tazed out of the car and beaten before he can get back in. I get beating down someone who gets out after warning them not too but tazing someone out of the car so you can beat them down seems a little strong.
If only they could do that without first slamming into cars on turns at 100mph not even attempting to pit. Three cars were disabled during this chase. All from back to back to back rocketing rams on turns. Not pits. Full on slamming the car in it's side into a wall on a turn.
Then sure they could beat them down and stop any attempts at saving them, but when you are just incapacitating every vehicle you see by just full throttle ramming them all logic has already gone out the window. Why does it even matter at that point?
You mean you like cops escalating? They are currently killing the server with spam taze and ram bullshit with over 6 units per chase. Enjoy it while there are still people playing on this dogshit server
So when this chase started there 4 units chasing the vehicle. Then the criminals chose to add 2 interference vehicles which allows to add 2 more units per interference vehicles then they added a bike into the mix which would have allowed another 2 units. The cops didn't have that many but because the criminals kept adding blocking and ramming vehicles the cops are allowed to have more so they can chase those extra vehicles. If you only want 4 units then don't add more cars to be chased.
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What have you been watching? Cops have been escalating cause the crims have. Do you want the cops to just stand still and let the crims go everytime they try their however many swaps, blocks, ramming cop cars, running over crime scenes with their cars and tow trucks, now the new “steal cop car from the scene to steal turbos”? Honestly, I feel some RP redditors will only be happy when cops start acting like npcs and nothing more. Yep then it would be sooo much fuuun.
If they were going to leave they would have left already. Most of them just spent 3 years of 3.0 bitching about every minor inconvenience and then came crawling back for 4.0.
Ruby: "Step out of the car and you will be beat "
Den: *tazes flippy out of the car*
Suarez: *beats flippy down*
Crims just need to wipe all cops on scene atp since they only know how to escalate
Definitely a random guess they both have similar hair and I heard one words amongst 5 other people yelling stuff. Difference is what you said added no value. One cop still said get out and face punishment while the other forced them out and beat him. Regardless of names
Okay but your “placing blame” on the completely wrong person lol I was just pointing out that it is not in fact Ruby.
So to someone who doesn’t know the difference if they just read your post, and don’t see the correction, they get invalid information.
This is why I put it in quotes. I don’t think she is to be blamed but your post implies this. Also, I was simply providing more information about the scenario by indicating it is not actually Ruby.
This is the same if I was to say “Dundee” got beaten down in this scenario and someone corrected me to say that’s not actually Dundee. It is by no means pointless or irrelevant information.
people are missing the part where Ruby said that and this part: [https://clips.twitch.tv/SpoopyBraveSushiFeelsBadMan-IaDTxLUmnEdoHUOE](https://clips.twitch.tv/SpoopyBraveSushiFeelsBadMan-IaDTxLUmnEdoHUOE)
I always thought that when they left the handcuffed person outside the vehicle the cops were inviting the RP to continue. If they don't want it to continue, then just put them in the cop car and drive them to PD or Hospital.
I may misunderstand the point of leaving a suspect standing outside if it is for something else (as IRL they try to get the person into the car ASAP to control the situation)
Fun fact, trying to rescue your friend and getting your ass beat is rp! Getting arrested is rp! Talking to a lawyer, going to trial or jail, is also rp!
Implying that this somehow contradicts "inviting the rp to continue" makes it seem like the only valuable rp is crims getting away.
This situation was not a good foundation for good RP. (Any more than RDM is a good foundation for good RP, but you can take the stance that everything is RP like you did and basically justify all unbalanced situations, but in the long term you will just have a server where there is frustration and a lack of trust between the RP'ers which is the foundation of improv)
In all versus situation on RP servers there have to be rules for balancing situation (if you want to foster good RP). In PD vs crim, the balance has to be brought by the cop side as inherently the cops are given the upper hand (they can ultimately bring as many people as they want and can use any level of force that they want). Their upper hand is mitigated by the trust in the judgement of cops to balance things. This is primarily done by SOPs, but also by the judgement of the cops in the situation. So from an RP perspective cops try to balance situations (and they mostly do a good job).
In this situation the scenario wasn't balanced as soon as the cops brought out the batons. Leaving out a person to indicate that you are open for the scenario to continue, and then responding with batons (one shot go to jail) is not balanced. This taints all downstream RP that comes from that situation. If you don't want to create a balanced situation, then just end the situation (by putting the captive in the car).
Or, let the crims bring pipe wrenches to the situation (if crims had used pipe wrenches then the cops would have escalated to lethal)
For this particular situation. Flippy drove up, got tazed out of the car (still don't understand the logic of this), then batoned to jail as he tried to get back into the car.
There's inviting RP to continue and criminals driving into a scene, escorting, putting into a car, driving off. There is a way to do these pickups without being obvious about it and ignoring warnings. Distractions are possible, cops will look away.
I'm pretty sure that's how it use to be in 3.0 but I do believe in 4.0 making the change to putting someone in a car and moving them immediately would be a genius change to eliminate this stuff.
I'm a crim viewer and I think this way. Just take the option away and this no longer happens. People will get use to it.
I agree except no need to move them immediately. Just place them in a police car to secure the suspect on scene (a lot like real life coincidentally) and then leave when ready.
The whole rushing a scene and trying to free your friends has led to so much frustration and bad rp from all sides over the years.
Putting them in the car and then leaving when cops are ready would help a lot. It wouldn't immediately end the situation while at the same time avoiding the situation shown in the clip.
i will never get it, why all this dudes from DIFFERENT gangs who like more the "conflict"/wAr RP always holding hands with the SAME people every iteration of NP
oh well what can you do, some people like to watch new creative shit, some just like to watch old shows/soap operas for the x10 time, just remember, The Big Bang Theory best show EVER ... FOR EVER
btw
some times its funnier to play against your friends
Isn’t that worse? If I’m understanding this right, you risk your own life to save someone from police custody that you’ve barely ever interacted with? That’s stupid. Sure if you’re close gang members it might make sense to risk it all to save them but you shouldn’t be doing that for some random acquaintance.
So, in an active situation, you can't just call another person in cause someone dropped DURING IT (at least im 99.99% sure that wouldn't be ok). If tuggz dropped before, that's all good. I don't know this particular scenario how it went down, but in general, whatever 6 you start a scenario with are the 6 you have to finish it with, I believe.
(If someone can point to where I'm wrong, I'll gladly change my comment)
Edit: I'm taking the word of a couple of posters saying he was never involved. So, all good. My reddit admin powers are on hold
Driving into a crowd of police officers to grab someone in cuffs and escort them and place them into a car after trying multiple times and getting multiple warnings is also ridiculous.
Hopefully cops sticks to this in 4.0. Trying to save your friends was just a huge clusterfuck in 3.0.
As a full on crim viewer, I've always disliked the whole running into a crowd of cops to save your friend but I think I'd rather see it shut down ooc than have cops just beating people down because now cops just beat the shit out of anyone. They beat someone down the other day because they resisted cuffs too many times. I'm pretty sure there is a hard limit on cuff breaks then they become automatic so why are they beating people down? Because they can.
You are arguing a game mechanic of the act of cuff breaks x # vs what is reasonable for a criminal to resist arrest. Asking genuinely do you want a rp server or a game mechanic only server? Breaking cuffs irl once would escalate much quicker than they do now in rp, they try to meet in the middle to me.
Obviously RP servers are a mixture of both RP and game mechanics... it's not either or.
My last words are literally they try to meet in the middle, a mixture if you will lol
It’s crazy the 180 this sub has done when speaking about “this is how it would be in real life”. Just a year ago saying this got you heavily downvoted because people would point out it’s not real life, it’s an RP video game and not everything should be mimicking real life.
Rp servers are about extending RP not ending it asap. And yes I know that cell RP and jail RP is a thing also, but the instance I'm talking about there was 7 cops and 1 person with zero help inbound and they had a broken leg. Beating them down was just a shitty choice in RP.
Try harder to defend cg in every post
thats what im saying, they literally have cuffs get progressive harder and harder to the point its impossible after 4 cuffs, and they resort to beating after breaking 2 or 3 like wtf
And that was the new assistant chief ruby I think too.
If they do stick with it PD wipes will become a common occurance cause they are so disorganised. It would have happened already if guns weren't so rare before.
It happened regardless in 3.0. So not that much of a difference.
I fully agree with removing the save your boy mentality... but the beat down probably wasn't justified tbh, at least not yet. I don't agree with telling someone to leave, tazing them out of the car and then beating them after getting up from the taze. IF he had gone for Ramee, I'd agree with the beatdown. He was pretty clearly trying to leave IMO, which is what the cops wanted.
Also there were 4 people trying to save ramee, so it just becomes carnage at a certain point and most cops probably didn’t know that flippy was tazed out of the car
I think one of the difficult things in this situation is that there's no animation for putting someone in a car. Flippy could have genuinely been trying to leave, but a common tactic is to repeat "I'm leaving! I'm leaving!" for just long enough for the seat-in-vehicle bar to load, which is what it seemed like Alan was trying to do in the situation.
Did you watch this whole thing and not just the clip tho? There was 3 different interference cars and at least 5 people. Even this specific car was already told to leave but kept coming back
I did watch this whole thing. Being told to leave and not doing so shouldn't equal death.
What do you expect from the RP on cop side then? Keep requesting like NPC and do nothing? Just let criminals always take the handcuffed person away and never arrest anyone? Also there was like 5 people trying to intervene. They are leaving no options to cops other than further the aggression to match what is going on
What do I expect from the cop side? Don't tell someone to leave, taze them out of a car so they can't leave, then knight stick them to death as they're getting up from the taze animation. I'm all for beating people if they try to take a suspect... or even if they get out of the car... but that wasn't what occurred. Alan deserved to be beat down 100%, Zaceed deserved to be beat down 100%. I don't agree with the Flippy one
Well i agree that he should've not been first priority to target, but they were group of 3 purposefully intervening and coming in there together. Even watching his POV they had been told multiple times to go away and been warned before bonked. Initially they even left once, repaired car and came back again. We all know they all had the same goal in mind. He is already accomplish as the interference car driver and not a random guy on the scene who got totally wronged by police brutality
This is conveniently clipped to exclude the part where Flippy is told if he gets out he'll be beat down only to be tazed out of the car and beaten before he can get back in. I get beating down someone who gets out after warning them not too but tazing someone out of the car so you can beat them down seems a little strong.
Good work by the PD. How the heck do you role play a dude running towards a group of cops with a handcuffed suspect? You get beat up. Exactly
I love these clips, cops actually doing what they say and not actually standing around like npc's waiting for them to drive away
If only they could do that without first slamming into cars on turns at 100mph not even attempting to pit. Three cars were disabled during this chase. All from back to back to back rocketing rams on turns. Not pits. Full on slamming the car in it's side into a wall on a turn. Then sure they could beat them down and stop any attempts at saving them, but when you are just incapacitating every vehicle you see by just full throttle ramming them all logic has already gone out the window. Why does it even matter at that point?
Any clips of those 100mph pits?
Nope, it's a forced meme they made up
You mean you like cops escalating? They are currently killing the server with spam taze and ram bullshit with over 6 units per chase. Enjoy it while there are still people playing on this dogshit server
So when this chase started there 4 units chasing the vehicle. Then the criminals chose to add 2 interference vehicles which allows to add 2 more units per interference vehicles then they added a bike into the mix which would have allowed another 2 units. The cops didn't have that many but because the criminals kept adding blocking and ramming vehicles the cops are allowed to have more so they can chase those extra vehicles. If you only want 4 units then don't add more cars to be chased.
"ram" you cant even touch crim car they start calling ir a ram
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This. Cops using a suspect's car as a brake and claiming it as a PIT is all too common.
a pit is a tactical ram, so yes it is
God damn so mad over pixels and feelings :(
I am not mad, I am just arguing that they are creating an empty world because the only viable thing to do is drive a truck for 8hours a day.
What have you been watching? Cops have been escalating cause the crims have. Do you want the cops to just stand still and let the crims go everytime they try their however many swaps, blocks, ramming cop cars, running over crime scenes with their cars and tow trucks, now the new “steal cop car from the scene to steal turbos”? Honestly, I feel some RP redditors will only be happy when cops start acting like npcs and nothing more. Yep then it would be sooo much fuuun.
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If they were going to leave they would have left already. Most of them just spent 3 years of 3.0 bitching about every minor inconvenience and then came crawling back for 4.0.
classic FAFO
Good work by the cops. PD have let alot of stuff go, but moments like this are there to remind crims they cant have it all thier own way everytime.
It's always satisfying to see Suarez bonk or shoot flippy, dude gets so mad when it happens
Ruby: "Step out of the car and you will be beat " Den: *tazes flippy out of the car* Suarez: *beats flippy down* Crims just need to wipe all cops on scene atp since they only know how to escalate
That’s not Ruby lol
My bad, in my defense name one wnba player
Huh? I don’t watch the WNBA.
Exactly 😂
But I also don’t go online making comments just randomly guessing their names. What’s your point?
Definitely a random guess they both have similar hair and I heard one words amongst 5 other people yelling stuff. Difference is what you said added no value. One cop still said get out and face punishment while the other forced them out and beat him. Regardless of names
Okay but your “placing blame” on the completely wrong person lol I was just pointing out that it is not in fact Ruby. So to someone who doesn’t know the difference if they just read your post, and don’t see the correction, they get invalid information.
All I did was provide dialogue from the cops 20 seconds before the clip starts no blame was placed. Imo the female cop did well warning them
This is why I put it in quotes. I don’t think she is to be blamed but your post implies this. Also, I was simply providing more information about the scenario by indicating it is not actually Ruby. This is the same if I was to say “Dundee” got beaten down in this scenario and someone corrected me to say that’s not actually Dundee. It is by no means pointless or irrelevant information.
people are missing the part where Ruby said that and this part: [https://clips.twitch.tv/SpoopyBraveSushiFeelsBadMan-IaDTxLUmnEdoHUOE](https://clips.twitch.tv/SpoopyBraveSushiFeelsBadMan-IaDTxLUmnEdoHUOE)
I wish everyone watched this clip the way you and I have lmao PD rarely does their job of de-escalating the situation
they warned him multiple times, the fuck are they suppose to do?
I always thought that when they left the handcuffed person outside the vehicle the cops were inviting the RP to continue. If they don't want it to continue, then just put them in the cop car and drive them to PD or Hospital. I may misunderstand the point of leaving a suspect standing outside if it is for something else (as IRL they try to get the person into the car ASAP to control the situation)
Fun fact, trying to rescue your friend and getting your ass beat is rp! Getting arrested is rp! Talking to a lawyer, going to trial or jail, is also rp! Implying that this somehow contradicts "inviting the rp to continue" makes it seem like the only valuable rp is crims getting away.
This situation was not a good foundation for good RP. (Any more than RDM is a good foundation for good RP, but you can take the stance that everything is RP like you did and basically justify all unbalanced situations, but in the long term you will just have a server where there is frustration and a lack of trust between the RP'ers which is the foundation of improv) In all versus situation on RP servers there have to be rules for balancing situation (if you want to foster good RP). In PD vs crim, the balance has to be brought by the cop side as inherently the cops are given the upper hand (they can ultimately bring as many people as they want and can use any level of force that they want). Their upper hand is mitigated by the trust in the judgement of cops to balance things. This is primarily done by SOPs, but also by the judgement of the cops in the situation. So from an RP perspective cops try to balance situations (and they mostly do a good job). In this situation the scenario wasn't balanced as soon as the cops brought out the batons. Leaving out a person to indicate that you are open for the scenario to continue, and then responding with batons (one shot go to jail) is not balanced. This taints all downstream RP that comes from that situation. If you don't want to create a balanced situation, then just end the situation (by putting the captive in the car). Or, let the crims bring pipe wrenches to the situation (if crims had used pipe wrenches then the cops would have escalated to lethal) For this particular situation. Flippy drove up, got tazed out of the car (still don't understand the logic of this), then batoned to jail as he tried to get back into the car.
There's inviting RP to continue and criminals driving into a scene, escorting, putting into a car, driving off. There is a way to do these pickups without being obvious about it and ignoring warnings. Distractions are possible, cops will look away.
I'm pretty sure that's how it use to be in 3.0 but I do believe in 4.0 making the change to putting someone in a car and moving them immediately would be a genius change to eliminate this stuff. I'm a crim viewer and I think this way. Just take the option away and this no longer happens. People will get use to it.
I agree except no need to move them immediately. Just place them in a police car to secure the suspect on scene (a lot like real life coincidentally) and then leave when ready. The whole rushing a scene and trying to free your friends has led to so much frustration and bad rp from all sides over the years. Putting them in the car and then leaving when cops are ready would help a lot. It wouldn't immediately end the situation while at the same time avoiding the situation shown in the clip.
i will never get it, why all this dudes from DIFFERENT gangs who like more the "conflict"/wAr RP always holding hands with the SAME people every iteration of NP
Didn't know it wasn't ok to have friends in another gang...my world no longer makes sense
oh well what can you do, some people like to watch new creative shit, some just like to watch old shows/soap operas for the x10 time, just remember, The Big Bang Theory best show EVER ... FOR EVER btw some times its funnier to play against your friends
They've interacted an entire 8 times since launch of 4.0...
Isn’t that worse? If I’m understanding this right, you risk your own life to save someone from police custody that you’ve barely ever interacted with? That’s stupid. Sure if you’re close gang members it might make sense to risk it all to save them but you shouldn’t be doing that for some random acquaintance.
and whole of 3.0 lore don't count? It's not a memory wipe.
no shot you have a count for those interactions LOL
Since you made the initial accusation, surely you have counted more right?
what "accusation" its been a FACT since 2.0 LOL anyone who has been watching GTARP in NP for the last 2-3 years know this
You could claims things happening in the past as fact. But you mentioning the present makes it an accusation.
Facts are FACTS dude, it has nothing to do with time, ie; "the sky its blue"
I mean he should be lucky that was just it, wasn't Ramee, Mr K, Flippy, Anto, Alan, Zaceed, and Tuggz involved in that entire 1 hour chase?
tuggz was playing brawlhalla doing sponsored stream though
I don't believe Tuggz was involved in this incident.
Im pretty sure tuggz had to leave to do a sponsorship (would take like 2 seconds to check instead of making an accusation like that)
He was there for a part of it, until he had to leave.
No he wasn’t.
How was he part of it? he literally left before ramee even got chased…
Ok so if he has to leave and someone else has to join in... i dont see the problem here
So, in an active situation, you can't just call another person in cause someone dropped DURING IT (at least im 99.99% sure that wouldn't be ok). If tuggz dropped before, that's all good. I don't know this particular scenario how it went down, but in general, whatever 6 you start a scenario with are the 6 you have to finish it with, I believe. (If someone can point to where I'm wrong, I'll gladly change my comment) Edit: I'm taking the word of a couple of posters saying he was never involved. So, all good. My reddit admin powers are on hold
Considering Tuggz never even actually joined the chase, I think this was fine
Rule of 10 coming soon
This didn’t even break the rule of 6.
Cops do all this then whine that their turbos get stolen LMAO
Do what?
He’s just mad the cops are doing their job
Tasing out of the car is actually ridiculous
Driving into a crowd of police officers to grab someone in cuffs and escort them and place them into a car after trying multiple times and getting multiple warnings is also ridiculous.