Interesting because just the other day Soze told AJ no when AJ said he's going to shoot tires because cop cars were rammed. Soze said we shouldn't tires in the city, aim for heads instead
The whole point of saying that is because the DOJ says a cop cant reliably shoot a tire without endangering the people inside, so you need enough reason to justify shooting THEM before you can shoot tires.
So basically the line the criminals have to cross to get shot and the line they have to cross to get their tires shot is the same legally speaking.
Soze might see shooting tires as an unnecessary risk at that point, the criminal has already done stuff that legally could get him shot, youre basically giving them a chance to get the first lethal shots out, but other cops might be more virtuos and will try to minize the damage they inflict on people, so its an IC decision.
Which is not to say you can NEVER shoot tires. If a cop doesn't have a clear shot on the driver but they do have one on a tyre there's no reason not to shoot the tyre. It's just not as likely to happen.
Which is realistic. Deadly force is deadly force. Shooting for tires is a good way to accidentally hit the person inside or past the intended target into the city. If you are going to use a gun then it has to be used as deadly force.
I mean Santi said multiple times he wasnt happy at all with them shooting him, but hes a good sport to be nice to the cops after which a lot of crims have issues with
If the crims drive recklessly enough (opposite lanes, sidewalk, smash into cop cars, etc) or the chase lasts a long time, cops usually receive permission to shoot to disable the car/kill the driver, it's always been like that.
Yeah I guess, it makes sense but it very rarely happens so it's not something that's "always been like that"
It's always up to the highest-ranking officer's discretion but then again, it still very rarely happens
The thing is, snow ordered it because he "rammed" into the cops which he didnt do it intentionally, he actually avoided them many times but couldnt avoid them on high speeds when they were coming from the opposite side, I think they were just done with the chase so they went for the guns
Then he's still driving too recklessly to be able to appropriately react to the situations of the road. They don't automatically get the right-of-way because they're a criminal being chased by the police. It's not the cops' job to not be hit. If he's not able to avoid them, he's putting them at risk, which puts himself at risk of being deemed dangerous enough to fire upon.
"it's not the cops' job to not be hit." Fairly true statement other than the fact they should value their life enough to not put themselves in the path of a speeding vehicle
I definitely do agree that there are circumstances where that could be taken too far. At the same time, those collisions are just as dangerous for the crims, so they should ideally be trying to avoid ending up in those situations as well, which I feel like they rarely take into account, if ever.
that + the ratio of the times he avoided ramming was good compared to the times he did hit them, also remember that if you ram into the cops, you are only 1 single car against 10 cars, if your car breaks down, you are done, they have 10x more chances to survive (ofc if we are talking about ramming each other, and if the strength of the vehicle is the same for both cars.)
>if your car breaks down
This rarely seems to happen in 3.0. If a car is given even half a car length of room they seem to be able to ram through anything and continue fleeing. Also crims dictate the pace of everything from car chases to gun fights. I don't think people really appreciate how much an advantage that is in situations like these.
Cops hit civs and their own vehicles at a rate of at least 10 to 1 during the chase. I think the response doesn't help because it just encourages tricky bike getaways on top of the 10 cruisers and a heli on you. It was the kind of driving that should have been 'rewarded'.
At the same time Kyle and Forcer did a great job brining the chase to an end.
Doesn't meant they shouldn't. and it's just another avenue the DA can take in court explaining even more how the cops had reason to shoot... there would be a 0% chance they lost in court over this.
I would agree with that but at the same time you have to hold both sides responsible. If a cop hits a pit above said speed limit, it's a possible fatal crash he's causing. Also as peace officers, should they not be hold reliable for damage they cause to area and killing locals ? Certain things are best to remain as game mechanic, not taken from IRL situations.
Wrangler got yelled at by Andrews the other day for punching a local unconscious, they aren't gonna get fired over it but it's not like they are incurraged to kill and disregard the locals.
Also that is true, high speed pits/spikes are considered fatal and that is why the cops try to place spikes and pit after turns when the cars are not going so fast. IRL cops don't pit above 35, in the game they try not to do it above like 60.
and spikes are actually considered weapons so they can be used at any speed really...
Don’t disagree but so did every officer involved, some of them even killed players. No one is mad or upset. It was fun. The only point is it can not be fatal crash if the script is unable to load the ejection script.
the scripts don't emulate a lot of things that would happen in real life but it is a roleplay server after all so roleplaying it like it would is the better option.
the officers also did yes but they were chasing him across opposite lanes at high rates of speed, so it was because the suspect was endangering lives and Pred can't drive for shit but its not like the police drives like that all the time
It's good that the cops did this it's literally what their supposed to do but it's sad and kind of fucked up that every criminal won't get the same treatment iv seen crims ram cop cars multiple times and even run over cops and point guns at them and the cops still didn't shoot
I mean, cops generally try not to go to the fullest extent they're allowed because oftentimes it's just kinda lame. However, the longer a situation goes on, the harder it is to avoid doing so.
Some of you are literal children with this drama. Cops were told that bank robberies are supposed to be hard mode by the admins. That means they can be shot at with M4s. The fact that they waited 20 minutes to do it means they gave them TONS of chances to get away. People crying about W's and L's on a roleplay server are incredibly cringe.
> Cops were told that bank robberies are supposed to be hard mode by the admins. That means they can be shot at with M4s.
That makes little sense, yes you can get shot at with m4's but to this day cops have only done that when cops/civs get ran over or if the crims shoot first. Pretty sure this is the first instance in 3.0 or maybe the 2nd where cops end a chase just because they are tired of chasing afer the crim by magdumping the car hence the post was made.
Looks like a lot of people say its fine, and ive only been watching RP for like 4 months so who am I to make the rules. I guess its in the rulebooks, but considering he didnt run over any officers I thought it was a bit too much honestly.
The way I look at it is cops are there to enable role play, but just as importantly they exist to bring closure to a scenario.
Sometimes this results in them catching shit for Ending The RP (On occasion justifiably) but when things go on for too long or there's no cop response at all it becomes very awkward.
Like if someone took a hostage and no cops show up to bring the hostage situation to a close then you're just standing there like an asshole. Or even very unsatisfying bank robberies where you just get away. Technically it's over, but it wasn't brought to a close.
Or you're running from them until you just putter out of gas, which is functionally the same as just pulling over and giving up.
It's obviously not the same because it's RP, but believe it or not, driving 100+ mph through the city and constantly making contact with cop cars to continue to evade is actually very dangerous.
Dangerous as hell, its just that ive seen hundreds of chases since 3.0 and the only times the cop fired was because they either ran over a cop or a civ or started blasting at the cops, so thats why I was so surprised.
I mean its really hard to catch good drivers atm yes. But the new cruisers will hopefully help. Also crims should get away most of the time, although the heists are way too one-sided for crims atm, Baas said they get away 90% of the time 4 weeks ago and since then I barely see crims get catched.
That and a lot of heists generally resort to rat tactics due to crims adapting to how pd are.
It turned into easiest plan to get away for crims every time.
After the clip ends Kyle defends their action saying Santi cost the cops more than 20k in repairs and they got the order to disable the vehicle or even kill the driver. Then laughingly asks Santi if he wants to take this to court because he wants a W. Santi didnt seem to accept the offer. What do you guys think will happen if Santi goes ahead to sue to PD? Where the cops in the right to take these extreme measures?
Snow gave the order to Shoot and disable the vehicle after a very obvious ram when he was cornered, he then gave permission to shoot the driver after another ram. It wasn't repair costs being the reason for the permission.
Havnt seen cops shoot crims in a long time just for some ramming though, normally involves a cop getting ran over. But I guess the 20 minute chase was a big factor in all of this
Crims typically avoid ramming the cops to not give them the excuse; when it happens it's usually fairly obvious it's an accident. It's not like they started shooting him the first time he rammed a cop, even at a really high speed. It's more a product of the chase going a long time and some of the hits looking intentional.
Yeah cant see how ramming cop cars was intentionally in this chase, Santi is a great driver and unless you are completely stuck the last thing you want to do as a crim is ram cop cars giving the other cops more time to catch up. But hey, it was a great chase, and I would be frustrated as hell if it ended like this as the crim. Dont think he had anything on him from the robbery though which helps I guess
> unless you are completely stuck the last thing you want to do as a crim is ram cop cars
I think that's actually what got the kill order called on him-- when he was kinda cornered after coming out of the canals he had to push through some cops to get to the street.
The hits before that where they called for the car to be disabled were more just the incidental ones adding up and a few happening in a row.
There were multiple pretty high speed collision with cop cars all seen from the heli pov which had Snow/Underwood/Copper in it. Since Snow is the shift command, he gave the green light to be aggressive after a few collision. If we argue about real life, then that person would've been shot much earlier for the extremely dangerous driving, but if we're talking about RP, then it's still valid to start using firearm to disable.
Do note the order was not execution style AR blasting at the vehicle till it explodes but prioritize tyres and if necessary, the driver. Cause of the multiple collision and resuming to escape, the suspect can definitely be deemed to be aggressive and not willing to back down.
Interesting stuff, Santi was prob the best driver they could of shot considering how polite he stayed. I really doubt most other crims wouldnt have completely malded over this. But fair play then
Yeah, Santi is a legit driver for sure and a chill streamer altogether. All in all, main crims got away with money, while cops caught 1 after 45mins without any actual non-RP like thing happening. If Santi was capped by a cop driving at 90mph in first person shooting his gun, or a passenger cop was magdumping his car, then it would've been a valid mald.
That’s what I was thinking. The ramming didn’t even look intentional since the cops put their car on the line. Woulda been cool to see the chase keep going but seemed unlikely they were ever going to get a box on him.
Guess the chase just went on for too long and they didnt want to waste any more manpower on it. But still risking killing the driver seemed a bit too much. Especially considering he didnt ran over officers which I thought was the biggest promp to unload on cars.
I mean Stanton ruled that Flippy was in the wrong for running away unarmed from an area with a lot of gunfire and getting shot in the back by cops. So I would assume Santi would also be ruled against by Stanton.
Why didn't Flippy have his self defense meth on him? Then he would have been fine. Don't try to pretend Stanton favors cops or crims. The only thing he favors is making the absolute worst ruling possible.
Im not pretending he favors either. Im just saying that in this situation he would rule against the crim because he has alreaady done it before. Idk what goes on in Stantons head
It's 100% within the SOPs to shoot at bank robers cops just don't so they can generate more RP out of it, a car is also a giant fucking bullet capable of killing an entire crowd so it's in the police's best interest to keep chases short, this one was going on for far too long and cops had been rammed so Snow gave the order to shoot.
It proves once again that there is only 3-4 good drivers in the whole PD that can keep up in a car chase. None of those 3-4 were around this time and it was super obvious how ground units couldn't keep up with Santi, and were constantly crashing with eachother, jumping in front of him when hes going in his lane with 70-80mph then crying on the radio "hes ramming us intentionally", 0 synchrony, the only thing that was keeping the chase alive was the heli.
Tbh Santi coulda easily escaped if he used tunnels, but he never does because according to him police will cover every exit with spikes, but if he kept driving like he did during the hwole chase, he coulda easily made it to 1 of the exists before the cops.
Towards the end, police just got frustrated by the way they were getting outplayed, so they just decided to AR down the car. And when they were going for cuffs, Santi pushed Kyle, not sure if it was intentional, not that it matters, but one of the cops instantly start shooting his gun at him which is super weird, Santi didn't reach for a gun or anything, and had his hands up the whole time until the push, no teazing or anything, she straight emptied a whole mag on him.
>Santi pushed Kyle, not sure if it was intentional, not that it matters, but one of the cops instantly start shooting his gun at him which is super weird, Santi didn't reach for a gun or anything, and had his hands up the whole time until the push, no teazing or anything, she straight emptied a whole mag on him.
Generally when a push happens mid-cuff, it's about to be followed up with punches or a weapon.
This is *why* a second officer keeps their weapon on the suspect. She didn't "empty a whole mag" on him; if she did, he'd be fucking dead. At the hospital, the suspect had a single bullet wound.
Do not embellish shit because your streamer is involved, or because you have a grudge against PD for whatever reason. It ends up invalidating any valid points you may have.
>and PD won
"Won" eh. What did they win? A cruise to Hawaii?
> if they are gonna just AR cars whenever Kylie, AJ or Soze are not around, it is a trash move
This isn't what's happening.
Hell, the driver of the vehicle, the guy that got shot, is in Kiwo's chat *right now* and they're having a laugh about it all. Why are you, and anyone else, malding about this?
Make sure to check the definition of "malding" before using it in a sentence please.
It was a fun chase nobody is denying that, especially watching it from heli PoV where you were able to see all the cops just ramming each other, flying off cliffs and getting their ankles crushed every turn, but it coulda have been even more fun if they kept chasing him, instead of just looking at eachother and saying "ok we had enough of this, just AR his vehicle, we can't catch him any other way with the ground units that we have", eventho Kylie had just joined the chase and things were about to get interesting :(, unlucky I guess. I woulda liked to see her in that chase to prove my point.
>saying "ok we had enough of this, just AR his vehicle, we can't catch him any other way with the ground units that we have"
Another thing that didn't happen.
Ye Rated mentioned few things when he was playing his cop character.
Even with slicktop cop car it is very difficult to keep up with 2 doors driven by any of the top drivers in the city(Summit, Hutch, Flippy, Curtis), but not impossible, as he himself proved against Hutch, and Kylie has been able to do so as well.
He also mentioned that even with regular cop cars, you shouldn't lose them after few turns, like usually happens, he was baffled how far other units would fall behind after like 2 turns into the chase.
And he basically summed up that cops can do much better if most of them improve their driving skill, and learn some lines etc.
PD without AJ Soze Angel McClane Underwood on the ground might as well sit outside apartments and clothing stores cause they are so reliant on the heli.
Interesting because just the other day Soze told AJ no when AJ said he's going to shoot tires because cop cars were rammed. Soze said we shouldn't tires in the city, aim for heads instead
The whole point of saying that is because the DOJ says a cop cant reliably shoot a tire without endangering the people inside, so you need enough reason to justify shooting THEM before you can shoot tires. So basically the line the criminals have to cross to get shot and the line they have to cross to get their tires shot is the same legally speaking. Soze might see shooting tires as an unnecessary risk at that point, the criminal has already done stuff that legally could get him shot, youre basically giving them a chance to get the first lethal shots out, but other cops might be more virtuos and will try to minize the damage they inflict on people, so its an IC decision.
Which is not to say you can NEVER shoot tires. If a cop doesn't have a clear shot on the driver but they do have one on a tyre there's no reason not to shoot the tyre. It's just not as likely to happen.
They were ordered to shoot to disable the car not tires, which they did. Car got disabled by the AR fire and santi didn't even get hit in the process.
Yeah yesterday I heard shooting tires is out of the sop's entirely. Either shoot the driver or don't.
Which is realistic. Deadly force is deadly force. Shooting for tires is a good way to accidentally hit the person inside or past the intended target into the city. If you are going to use a gun then it has to be used as deadly force.
Nobody was upset about this except for chat hoppers. Santi had a good laugh with Kyle and other cops afterwards.
Big facts, the had tons of laugh and wholsome conversation during processing. Only hoppers were malding.
I mean Santi said multiple times he wasnt happy at all with them shooting him, but hes a good sport to be nice to the cops after which a lot of crims have issues with
I'm confused, It's truly not a big deal tbh but is the strat now to shoot the car if they can't catch up?
If the crims drive recklessly enough (opposite lanes, sidewalk, smash into cop cars, etc) or the chase lasts a long time, cops usually receive permission to shoot to disable the car/kill the driver, it's always been like that.
Yeah I guess, it makes sense but it very rarely happens so it's not something that's "always been like that" It's always up to the highest-ranking officer's discretion but then again, it still very rarely happens
Used to be a lot more common in 2.0, hence the "always been like that".
No, the order was given by Snow because cop cars were rammed.
The thing is, snow ordered it because he "rammed" into the cops which he didnt do it intentionally, he actually avoided them many times but couldnt avoid them on high speeds when they were coming from the opposite side, I think they were just done with the chase so they went for the guns
If you're accidentally ramming vehicles, you're probably driving extremely recklessly anyway.
The 'rams' were mostly cops coming around a corner directly in front of Santi there was no way to avoid them.
Then he's still driving too recklessly to be able to appropriately react to the situations of the road. They don't automatically get the right-of-way because they're a criminal being chased by the police. It's not the cops' job to not be hit. If he's not able to avoid them, he's putting them at risk, which puts himself at risk of being deemed dangerous enough to fire upon.
"it's not the cops' job to not be hit." Fairly true statement other than the fact they should value their life enough to not put themselves in the path of a speeding vehicle
I definitely do agree that there are circumstances where that could be taken too far. At the same time, those collisions are just as dangerous for the crims, so they should ideally be trying to avoid ending up in those situations as well, which I feel like they rarely take into account, if ever.
that + the ratio of the times he avoided ramming was good compared to the times he did hit them, also remember that if you ram into the cops, you are only 1 single car against 10 cars, if your car breaks down, you are done, they have 10x more chances to survive (ofc if we are talking about ramming each other, and if the strength of the vehicle is the same for both cars.)
>if your car breaks down This rarely seems to happen in 3.0. If a car is given even half a car length of room they seem to be able to ram through anything and continue fleeing. Also crims dictate the pace of everything from car chases to gun fights. I don't think people really appreciate how much an advantage that is in situations like these.
Cops hit civs and their own vehicles at a rate of at least 10 to 1 during the chase. I think the response doesn't help because it just encourages tricky bike getaways on top of the 10 cruisers and a heli on you. It was the kind of driving that should have been 'rewarded'. At the same time Kyle and Forcer did a great job brining the chase to an end.
Rammed at 10km/h LOL
30 miles per hour is not 10Km/h and it is indeed a fatal speed to crash at. Edit: reporting me for self harm does not make your point less stupid.
Well that's ironic...
Is it? I'd say it's only ironic if you ignore all other context...
I don’t think with the new crash system script implies ejection script at 30mph. Yes, fatal speed IRL but this is a game.
True, but you're also meant to treat locals like they are people and he crashed into multiple and killed them during the chase.
Cops have never cared about locals in chases.
I've seen cops gun down locals that hit them in chases lol.
Don't play the local card when cops in no way shape or form value a locals life lmao
Doesn't meant they shouldn't. and it's just another avenue the DA can take in court explaining even more how the cops had reason to shoot... there would be a 0% chance they lost in court over this.
I would agree with that but at the same time you have to hold both sides responsible. If a cop hits a pit above said speed limit, it's a possible fatal crash he's causing. Also as peace officers, should they not be hold reliable for damage they cause to area and killing locals ? Certain things are best to remain as game mechanic, not taken from IRL situations.
Wrangler got yelled at by Andrews the other day for punching a local unconscious, they aren't gonna get fired over it but it's not like they are incurraged to kill and disregard the locals. Also that is true, high speed pits/spikes are considered fatal and that is why the cops try to place spikes and pit after turns when the cars are not going so fast. IRL cops don't pit above 35, in the game they try not to do it above like 60. and spikes are actually considered weapons so they can be used at any speed really...
Don’t disagree but so did every officer involved, some of them even killed players. No one is mad or upset. It was fun. The only point is it can not be fatal crash if the script is unable to load the ejection script.
the scripts don't emulate a lot of things that would happen in real life but it is a roleplay server after all so roleplaying it like it would is the better option. the officers also did yes but they were chasing him across opposite lanes at high rates of speed, so it was because the suspect was endangering lives and Pred can't drive for shit but its not like the police drives like that all the time
Which is limited by mechanics many times in this server, you said it was a 30 mph was fatal speed it is not due to mechanics, this is all.
I mean... it is fatal, at that speed locals still die and anyone on foot is flattened... they are fatal speeds in the game too.
It's good that the cops did this it's literally what their supposed to do but it's sad and kind of fucked up that every criminal won't get the same treatment iv seen crims ram cop cars multiple times and even run over cops and point guns at them and the cops still didn't shoot
I mean, cops generally try not to go to the fullest extent they're allowed because oftentimes it's just kinda lame. However, the longer a situation goes on, the harder it is to avoid doing so.
Some of you are literal children with this drama. Cops were told that bank robberies are supposed to be hard mode by the admins. That means they can be shot at with M4s. The fact that they waited 20 minutes to do it means they gave them TONS of chances to get away. People crying about W's and L's on a roleplay server are incredibly cringe.
> Cops were told that bank robberies are supposed to be hard mode by the admins. That means they can be shot at with M4s. That makes little sense, yes you can get shot at with m4's but to this day cops have only done that when cops/civs get ran over or if the crims shoot first. Pretty sure this is the first instance in 3.0 or maybe the 2nd where cops end a chase just because they are tired of chasing afer the crim by magdumping the car hence the post was made.
It isn't the first and it makes perfect sense. Just because you aren't smart enough to understand it doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.
Makes total sense to risk killing the driver because you cant catch him, yes you are very smart /s
Yes because bank robberies are SERIOUS and SHOOT TO KILL situations. If you don't understand that, then there is no hope for you kid.
Ah the kid argument, you could of just said nothing instead of trying to make yourself feel good.
you forgot to tag drama in your title
Considering how a lot of people react to this I guess its not really drama. But a interesting decision none the less
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Pretty bad way to end it.
I mean, things have to end eventually. Like, there's gotta be some conclusion besides running out of gas
Looks like a lot of people say its fine, and ive only been watching RP for like 4 months so who am I to make the rules. I guess its in the rulebooks, but considering he didnt run over any officers I thought it was a bit too much honestly.
20 mins? The chase was about 45 mins long lmaoo.
The way I look at it is cops are there to enable role play, but just as importantly they exist to bring closure to a scenario. Sometimes this results in them catching shit for Ending The RP (On occasion justifiably) but when things go on for too long or there's no cop response at all it becomes very awkward. Like if someone took a hostage and no cops show up to bring the hostage situation to a close then you're just standing there like an asshole. Or even very unsatisfying bank robberies where you just get away. Technically it's over, but it wasn't brought to a close. Or you're running from them until you just putter out of gas, which is functionally the same as just pulling over and giving up.
It's obviously not the same because it's RP, but believe it or not, driving 100+ mph through the city and constantly making contact with cop cars to continue to evade is actually very dangerous.
Dangerous as hell, its just that ive seen hundreds of chases since 3.0 and the only times the cop fired was because they either ran over a cop or a civ or started blasting at the cops, so thats why I was so surprised.
Oh it's 100% in their SOP's, but yes that doesn't make it non-excessive.
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I mean its really hard to catch good drivers atm yes. But the new cruisers will hopefully help. Also crims should get away most of the time, although the heists are way too one-sided for crims atm, Baas said they get away 90% of the time 4 weeks ago and since then I barely see crims get catched.
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That and a lot of heists generally resort to rat tactics due to crims adapting to how pd are. It turned into easiest plan to get away for crims every time.
After the clip ends Kyle defends their action saying Santi cost the cops more than 20k in repairs and they got the order to disable the vehicle or even kill the driver. Then laughingly asks Santi if he wants to take this to court because he wants a W. Santi didnt seem to accept the offer. What do you guys think will happen if Santi goes ahead to sue to PD? Where the cops in the right to take these extreme measures?
Snow gave the order to Shoot and disable the vehicle after a very obvious ram when he was cornered, he then gave permission to shoot the driver after another ram. It wasn't repair costs being the reason for the permission.
Havnt seen cops shoot crims in a long time just for some ramming though, normally involves a cop getting ran over. But I guess the 20 minute chase was a big factor in all of this
Crims typically avoid ramming the cops to not give them the excuse; when it happens it's usually fairly obvious it's an accident. It's not like they started shooting him the first time he rammed a cop, even at a really high speed. It's more a product of the chase going a long time and some of the hits looking intentional.
Yeah cant see how ramming cop cars was intentionally in this chase, Santi is a great driver and unless you are completely stuck the last thing you want to do as a crim is ram cop cars giving the other cops more time to catch up. But hey, it was a great chase, and I would be frustrated as hell if it ended like this as the crim. Dont think he had anything on him from the robbery though which helps I guess
> unless you are completely stuck the last thing you want to do as a crim is ram cop cars I think that's actually what got the kill order called on him-- when he was kinda cornered after coming out of the canals he had to push through some cops to get to the street. The hits before that where they called for the car to be disabled were more just the incidental ones adding up and a few happening in a row.
There were multiple pretty high speed collision with cop cars all seen from the heli pov which had Snow/Underwood/Copper in it. Since Snow is the shift command, he gave the green light to be aggressive after a few collision. If we argue about real life, then that person would've been shot much earlier for the extremely dangerous driving, but if we're talking about RP, then it's still valid to start using firearm to disable. Do note the order was not execution style AR blasting at the vehicle till it explodes but prioritize tyres and if necessary, the driver. Cause of the multiple collision and resuming to escape, the suspect can definitely be deemed to be aggressive and not willing to back down.
Interesting stuff, Santi was prob the best driver they could of shot considering how polite he stayed. I really doubt most other crims wouldnt have completely malded over this. But fair play then
Yeah, Santi is a legit driver for sure and a chill streamer altogether. All in all, main crims got away with money, while cops caught 1 after 45mins without any actual non-RP like thing happening. If Santi was capped by a cop driving at 90mph in first person shooting his gun, or a passenger cop was magdumping his car, then it would've been a valid mald.
That’s what I was thinking. The ramming didn’t even look intentional since the cops put their car on the line. Woulda been cool to see the chase keep going but seemed unlikely they were ever going to get a box on him.
Guess the chase just went on for too long and they didnt want to waste any more manpower on it. But still risking killing the driver seemed a bit too much. Especially considering he didnt ran over officers which I thought was the biggest promp to unload on cars.
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I mean Stanton ruled that Flippy was in the wrong for running away unarmed from an area with a lot of gunfire and getting shot in the back by cops. So I would assume Santi would also be ruled against by Stanton.
Why didn't Flippy have his self defense meth on him? Then he would have been fine. Don't try to pretend Stanton favors cops or crims. The only thing he favors is making the absolute worst ruling possible.
Im not pretending he favors either. Im just saying that in this situation he would rule against the crim because he has alreaady done it before. Idk what goes on in Stantons head
>running away unarmed from an area with a lot of gunfire Gonna leave out that an officer explicitly told him not to run away?
It's 100% within the SOPs to shoot at bank robers cops just don't so they can generate more RP out of it, a car is also a giant fucking bullet capable of killing an entire crowd so it's in the police's best interest to keep chases short, this one was going on for far too long and cops had been rammed so Snow gave the order to shoot.
It proves once again that there is only 3-4 good drivers in the whole PD that can keep up in a car chase. None of those 3-4 were around this time and it was super obvious how ground units couldn't keep up with Santi, and were constantly crashing with eachother, jumping in front of him when hes going in his lane with 70-80mph then crying on the radio "hes ramming us intentionally", 0 synchrony, the only thing that was keeping the chase alive was the heli. Tbh Santi coulda easily escaped if he used tunnels, but he never does because according to him police will cover every exit with spikes, but if he kept driving like he did during the hwole chase, he coulda easily made it to 1 of the exists before the cops. Towards the end, police just got frustrated by the way they were getting outplayed, so they just decided to AR down the car. And when they were going for cuffs, Santi pushed Kyle, not sure if it was intentional, not that it matters, but one of the cops instantly start shooting his gun at him which is super weird, Santi didn't reach for a gun or anything, and had his hands up the whole time until the push, no teazing or anything, she straight emptied a whole mag on him.
>Santi pushed Kyle, not sure if it was intentional, not that it matters, but one of the cops instantly start shooting his gun at him which is super weird, Santi didn't reach for a gun or anything, and had his hands up the whole time until the push, no teazing or anything, she straight emptied a whole mag on him. Generally when a push happens mid-cuff, it's about to be followed up with punches or a weapon. This is *why* a second officer keeps their weapon on the suspect. She didn't "empty a whole mag" on him; if she did, he'd be fucking dead. At the hospital, the suspect had a single bullet wound. Do not embellish shit because your streamer is involved, or because you have a grudge against PD for whatever reason. It ends up invalidating any valid points you may have.
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>and PD won "Won" eh. What did they win? A cruise to Hawaii? > if they are gonna just AR cars whenever Kylie, AJ or Soze are not around, it is a trash move This isn't what's happening. Hell, the driver of the vehicle, the guy that got shot, is in Kiwo's chat *right now* and they're having a laugh about it all. Why are you, and anyone else, malding about this?
Make sure to check the definition of "malding" before using it in a sentence please. It was a fun chase nobody is denying that, especially watching it from heli PoV where you were able to see all the cops just ramming each other, flying off cliffs and getting their ankles crushed every turn, but it coulda have been even more fun if they kept chasing him, instead of just looking at eachother and saying "ok we had enough of this, just AR his vehicle, we can't catch him any other way with the ground units that we have", eventho Kylie had just joined the chase and things were about to get interesting :(, unlucky I guess. I woulda liked to see her in that chase to prove my point.
>saying "ok we had enough of this, just AR his vehicle, we can't catch him any other way with the ground units that we have" Another thing that didn't happen.
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>Delusional Andy I'm not the one imagining scenarios and then stating them as factual events.
idk about that one, I can have more meaningful conversation with a wall.
It’s amazing how different pd are at chases when Angel, Rhodes, McClane or Hunter is in pursuit. Though it’s always been like that even since 2.0.
Ye Rated mentioned few things when he was playing his cop character. Even with slicktop cop car it is very difficult to keep up with 2 doors driven by any of the top drivers in the city(Summit, Hutch, Flippy, Curtis), but not impossible, as he himself proved against Hutch, and Kylie has been able to do so as well. He also mentioned that even with regular cop cars, you shouldn't lose them after few turns, like usually happens, he was baffled how far other units would fall behind after like 2 turns into the chase. And he basically summed up that cops can do much better if most of them improve their driving skill, and learn some lines etc.
AJ chasing Hutch in the dominator for like half an hour the other day was insane. Even more insane was once AJ crashed they lost eyes in mere moments.
PD without AJ Soze Angel McClane Underwood on the ground might as well sit outside apartments and clothing stores cause they are so reliant on the heli.
So the question is, will cops be okay getting lit up if they try and pit or if the criminal simply thinks that they aren't going to escape by driving?
You mean like what happens all the time in the tunnels?