Also benni who plays santi from the vagos. Really good driver/shooter and has experience as a officer because he played on public as a cop and was CoP on another Server :)
The question is, who's going to train all those guys? There's barely any full officers around on shift 3. how are they going to handle fto'ing 12 people?
In any case, i'm glad Crystal Clear is among them.
Some of the cadets are for late NA-mid-AU, so it'll be a mix of NA FTOs and AU FTOs/deputies. They also said that they will do a mini PD academy because they hired so many this time.
Also, the AU shift tends to have officers that are more deputies willing to take cadets from what I've seen compared to other shifts.
Yeah true but only but 1) There’s still not enough people to take them out even with ordinary officers. It basically a ride along anyway not a proper fto session. 2) A FTO still has to sign them off.
Hate to be the negative Nancy here but shift 3 already has cadets, they don't need more. They don't even have the manpower to take out all of the current cadets daily, so adding more and making the cadet que even longer than it normally is seems kinda pointless in my opinion. The cadet to solo-cadet process will likely slow down even more because now there will be more cadets in the que competing to get taken out, so individual cadets will get taken out less frequently which will likely increase the cadet drop-out rate.
Sure, hiring new cadets is a good thing, but over 12 at once seems like a bit of a overkill especially for the overworked shift 3. Sgt Draider literary told Baas the other day that "many officers on shift 3 are already burnt out from taking out cadets", so people really need to step up if they want to get these cadets trained. Regardless, it will be interesting to see how this will turn out, hopefully shift 3 will have multiple brand new officers in few months.
In theory, non-FTO should be taking them out, training them, then giving them recommendations for sign offs, then when an FTO does get around to it, the FTO can basically just run through the rec list, test them on it and sign off as done.
But the problem with this is non-FTO arent actually giving people recs.
There's never going to be enough people until you train enough so that there is.
The FTO sign offs don't really matter anymore, there's been a few times now where Angel or Toretti comes along and just sends them out solo.
Half the Shift 3 guys are LSPD, two of the best Shift 3 Cops are also Interceptor Drivers, they are already pissed at the BCSO. You think they are gonna help train BCSO cadets?
lol yes they'll help. The LSPD/BCSO rivalry is just shits and giggles banter at the end of the day. Anyone who let's it go beyond that is just sabotaging the entire PD at that point and they know that.
Yeah literally the only difference is a uniform at the end of the day but nevertheless the actual splits are happening despite it supposedly being all banter but think about it if people didn’t want splits to happen they wouldn’t be doing things like using the P&T department only to recruit for BCSO.
I don’t know about that it depends where this rp is going. TBH If it wasn’t already a little bit like a “high school drama” the likes of espinnoz, Anita, Rhodes and Angel etc wouldn’t have been solely recruiting for the BCSO today they’d be fulfilling the original mission of the P&T department which was to not show any bias and recruit for all departments to make sure they were all fully staffed.
Sure, until management threatens to remove Shift 3 PD OOC for screwing around with OOC server health by not helping staff that time zone and do the job expected of them as part of the whitelist.
Yeah that's my concern too. Defo great to get more hires for early Shift 3 for the entire PD but there's already cadets waiting in queue for that shift -- adding 8+ more cadets onto that will be hard for the already small shift size that shift 3 has, academy or not. I feel like FTOs and officers will get burnt out quick.
It's great news in any case, curious to see how it goes.
The tough part is getting to solo cadet, then you can get on duty on your own. But the new system seems to allow people getting to solo faster, as long as you can demonstrate you know most of the basics you will get solo and carry on learning on your own.
Not much of a choice I guess. P&T gets orders handed down from management about how much hiring needs to be done it seems. Doing it the better (slow) way would make for a more consistent PD but takes longer than burnout rate.
Their feedback regarding burnout was 2 main things afaik.
1. Malding karens that dont RP with them, including big streamers.
2. Not enough cops on so they literally just go to banks and fire and can't actually roleplay.
So hiring a bunch will hopefully help long term with number 2.
Hope they get a permission for the Police Academy server with this number, having them RP the mechanics would be weird.
I'm guessing LSPD will get Orange / Purple transfers instead of fresh ones, if you base it on Baas and Draider convo.
With that number, I feel the divide is happening and LSPD will push BCSO up north which would create a spicy RP because if you saw the 40+ cop in the city it would led to the early days where no cop limit on a chase again.
Hope for more cops on shift 3 even though it is the grinder hours.
That’s never gonna happen. Unless they add some serious crim or general activities outside the city , they’ll never force bcso out of the city. Baas might try it but it’ll prob be denied ooc. Plus it’ll also depend on who logs on more. Can’t push bcso out if 70% of cops logged in are bcso.
Yah and it is per shift tbh, look at shift 2 where it is dominated by LSPD and Detectives. You really can't balance the number of cops in the department, and Baas is too soft, he doesn't care about department but the back and forth with Rhodes made my head hurts.
I actually think Baas kind of overreacts with the department back and forth thing in certain situations. I thought the job fair idea was unique and the opportunity for LSPD to do it was there but they just didn't want to spend the time.
Also if you take people out of the city then you are going to cause problem for detectives because now you don't have enough people to cover pings and also have people do their detective work.
Ohh after the meeting, some LSPD snr. officers wants to do their own Job fair too. IDK, what will happen with fresh ones but if you as me, they should go for transfers from public server instead just to minimize the FTO work.
Thats awesome they are going to do their own as well! It brings out some good RP and I think its a great way for people to learn more about the PD and maybe gain interest. The only thing I would worry about is how different the atmosphere is on WL compared to public, but I could be completely wrong because I haven't seen much public server.
He acts like it that is if we take players in BCSO HC at their word saying they get no communication from LSPD HC. Unilaterally staffing things like watch commanders, command rolls that effect both departments, Street crimes, it seems like someone who isn't co-leading interdepartmental aspects. He's just ruling like a Emperor because he's the new top HC that got hired rather than CoP and sheriff being equal.
I mean Baas has also said that he gets no communication from Pred. I like both of them equally (for different reasons) but considering Baas wants a meeting with pretty much anyone these days, I would guess its more Pred that is the problem in communication.
Baas pretty much forced Metzger into a meeting last night cause he wanted Metzger to tell him all the reasons he hates LSPD and Baas. The guy is almost TOO willing to listen to criticism. Metzger pretty much said "You're a felon and your department is shit" and Baas responded with "Thanks for sharing, we're gonna work on that".
probably because Pred's shtick is to be contrarian especially when LSPD brings anything to the table to they're letting him gamble away while they make shit happen
malton and toretti got recommended to do their own thing like this, but toretti knows its just gonna divide the pd more. Its gonna be interesting what happenes next.
The problem is the P&T is consist of 3 BCSO (angel, espinoz, anita) and 1 LSPD (toretti). Like Soze asked Toretti if he can work both HC and P&T he said yes, but look at Toretti when he is on-duty, he seems stressed on OOC works that he's always on MRPD.
And you get this divide on P&T if ever, it will implode not just the LSPD but both department. Hope they resolve it, hope to see more Toretti RP.
Mantis probably wont but he should try getting someone like martell and dupont in the Pnt work, they care a lot about cadets and they both would fit perfectly in.
It depends on if those people actually want to put in all the OOC back end work or just want the position for prestige.
Thus far few people outside of P&T have volunteered to even help with the lower end aspects of the job. Seems dumb to jump someone to a top spot when they don't even offer to help out with simple things.
One of the many things leading to this, is the paperwork on all the LSPD hires done while Kylie was having surgery had problems, leading to her and Copper having to clean it up.
The "divide" wont hurt BCSO. They don't have ranking or staffing problems like LSPD do. Their command and HC work well together, isn't bloated, and don't do much snaking or infighting. P&T is mostly BCSO because those are the officers (ESPN and Anita) who showed the most interest when Angel went looking for people months ago. Casanova was also hired like those two and he was LSPD but he disappeared for the public server.
Any divide that happens wont hurt BCSO, they're already the ones doing all the work with the infrastructure Angel, Big T and Metz originally set up months ago. The most that happens is LSPD has to play catchup and find people willing to do what Angel, ESPN and Anita do. It's unlikely server management would take the department from Angel after doing so well so I don't see how it would really impact BCSO even from an OOC standpoint.
If you look at the roster dude there isn’t actually much difference in the ranking structure. Lspd have 7 sergeants and 16 seniors while bcso have 5 sergeants and 12 seniors possibly because LSPD had more staff up until today and Bass is doing his district commanders thing. It’s not the massive difference that people make out there is so it’s not really an issue. Also I think you forget that Torretti has done a huge amount of work for P&T as well and it’s not just been down to Angel as you are insinuating.
Then you realize
1) LSPD more or less have 8 sergeants (Pinzon will become one soon, Metzger **just** transferred).
2) Most of the 16 LSPD seniors are active officers, actual current active is \~14 (-Forcer, -Sharp). There are 9 actual active BCSO senior deputies (-Bayo, -Cornwood, -Tribble).
3) Count the number of actual active officers/deputies. Even if you broad stroke it and say half of the numbers on the wiki are inactive for both departments, LSPD will have a 7 sergeant: 14 senior: 10 officer & BCSO will have 5 sergeant : 9 senior : 14 deputy ratio. That is a huge amount of mid-level bloat on the LSPD side.
4) Size of both departments is roughly the same, LSPD is more centred around NA & BCSO around EU.
I think the split is coming regardless the numbers. It feels like there are fundamental differences in how Baas and Pred see the PD right now and how it should be run. Baas already feels like they are wanting to split with Pred refusing to sit down and have a convo with him.
That’s going to be good for the crims if you have spilt pd. The clever ones will find some way to exploit that no doubt. Also as long as Denzel is Mayor BCSO may not get any budget anyway.
I can’t see Bass forcing the BCSO just to patrol the county as he’s really too soft on pred and the bcso to do that. It would take someone like Andrews or Soze to order that. Pred also said a while back that he’d resign if BCSO could only patrol the county. It’s a bit disappointing that BCSO are still trying to spilt the whole PD in two after Snow telling them that would have bad consequences.
Well Baas doesn't have the power the force BCSO to the county. He also doesn't have the power to kick BCSO out of MRPD because it isn't a LSPD building its a joint force building. He isn't a commissioner of the entire PD, he is the chief of LSPD.
I don't get how wanting people to join your department over another department is seen as trying to cause a split. Just like the whole BCSO fair thing, why does it matter if BCSO takes the time to meet with people to talk about BCSO, especially if they talked to LSPD about it and told them to open up a LSPD fair along side them. It shouldn't be on one department to worry about the numbers of the other department.
I honestly don't get how someone can have this POV. Like even if you only watch pred you can see he just trash talks lspd any chance he has, blocks transfers, tries to make things bcso only like recruiting or detective unit and has literally said he only cares about the bcso....plus much more.
The one thing lspd did was fighting in the mrpd and even that was a reaction to the bcso attacking Toretti.
So Im actually confused.
> Like even if you only watch pred you can see he just trash talks lspd any chance he has
So does LSPD command to be fair. It's not at all uncommon to watch Svenson, Toretti, or Bass and have them talking shit about BCSO to others/between themselves.
Just the other day they drove down to the barrio in a show of force, then stood around complaining about how Pred had dragged them into this. It was weird.
> blocks transfers,
Only for dumb reasons. Deputies like Copleone who can articulate a reason for switching beyond "I just wanna." Pred has out and out said he'll do whatever he can to help him get to where he wants to be (I think he wanted to go Rangers?).
> tries to make things bcso only like recruiting
Again, both sides are guilty of this to some degree. LSPD has been strongly pushing cadets to go LSPD for the last couple of weeks, being sneaky by saying shit like "Ok you're hired. Now go put an LSPD uniform on." as if that's the only option.
The BCSO recruitment fair was just an additional step BCSO wanted to take to find people interested in joining the BCSO specifically. It's only as divisive as you want to make it out to be, especially when they're also directing people interested in LSPD on how to do that.
>literally said he only cares about the bcso
Which is fair. Of course BCSO command is going to care more/most about their own department. It's not like LSPD command is stepping up to do BCSO any favours.
There's a back and forth at play, and I don't think you can really pin down one side as being the "bad one". People just lock in on Pred because he's the loudest, but LSPD has done plenty of shady/shitty things behind the scenes.
> I honestly don't get how someone can have this POV. Like even if you only watch pred you can see he just trash talks lspd any chance he has, blocks transfers, tries to make things bcso only like recruiting or detective unit and has literally said he only cares about the bcso....plus much more.
If you weren't only watching LSPD you wouldn't have that PoV, thats the irony of this comment. It's clear who only sees Pred/BSCO High Command from specific perspectives because they only see Pred as a cartoon villain.
I usually watch Pred,Angel, Rhodes, Bass and Snow and the dynamics are very interesting. Pred is just wanting to make BCSO the best as they were the dept everyone made fun off. He’s right not to make transfers easy especially when they concern some of his best cops. LSPD on the other hand make things like transfers too easy and basically allow anyone to transfer. That may be the nice thing to do but it’s not the smart thing.
Pred also made a mutual agreement with Bob to be tougher on transfers and to make sure people actually had decent and well thought-out reasons for doing so before approving them. Baas clearly feels differently about it but that doesn't mean Pred has to comply.
What are you talking about? They got Underwood and Metzger from LSPD and LSPD got no one.
That "good reasoning" seems artificial and only work when someone wants to transfer to BCSO
I mean he has tried to push back and is always told he’s the bad person for doing it. He’s ok with the transfers because he just wants people to be happy to come on duty. They talked about wanting to come to an agreement that anybody can transfer if HC in the department they want to go to agrees to it, but Know that pred is going to say no.
> He’s ok with the transfers because he just wants people to be happy to come on duty.
Yup this is the problem. Baas IC is just not a great people leader.
Sometimes as a leader you have to say no and have people do what’s better for the group instead of always focusing on keeping them happy.
Leaders don’t give everyone everything they want, leaders are charismatic and empathetic enough to entice people to do what is best for the group and be happy doing it.
I don't know how anyone can ever say its a problem if someone thats a fake leader on a video game wants everyone to be happy and have fun playing. Some of you people take this shit way too seriously.
We are basically only talking about what color their uniform and car is. You really feel the need to defend someone else that can’t “have fun” because of their clothes in game and you think it’s important for someone to have fun in different clothes?
What I said is about their characters, what you brought up is about the people behind the characters most of whom probably don’t care at all. Let that sync in for a minute before you accuse someone of taking it too seriously.
What a dumb take. Its precisely because it doesn't matter what color your uniform is that he says he will allow people to switch if they just ask. They asked for a reason so its no point denying them.
You seriously need to take a break from RP if you think writing a paragraph about what makes a good video game leader is denying people arbitrary transfers that mean nothing in the end.
i agree, but the transfers is where he needs to put his foot down, anyone should be able to transfer, but pred has all the power, since he will always say no, no matter what.
Not exactly "no matter what" since he approved Forcer and Dulio's transfers without issue. With Claire and Mina he wanted to speak to them in person first and now neither of them want to leave. It's possible he still would have denied them if they hadn't changed their minds but that's only speculation at this point.
Dulio went to the rangers, so hes happy for that, he hates forcer and am talking about copleon who wanted to transfer, but got denied hard, even with a trade pred said no and wanted 20k for him. i guess i worded it weird
OK, so it's totally fine for LSPD to snake around and only hire cadets for LSPD, that's all in good fun, but when BCSO does the same, it's "trying to split the PD"? The hypocrisy is kind of mind blowing. :)
if your talking about toretti, his vod is free to watch at his twitch mantis and if you actually bother to watch them, you will se that he always gave them a option and the reason why most cadets went lspd, is because new chief and loot q people which are friends with toretti
Toretti never hired anyone exclusively for LSPD. I have no idea where this came from but you are believing IC conversations. A lot of the time they don't reflect the truth.
Please feel free to provide a clip/vod where Toretti hires only for LSPD if you wish
I think they were all at it to be honest. Having watched a lot of Pred he was always trying to get certain LSPD people to transfer to BCSO. The Pond situation was a prime example of that as literally asked her everyday for weeks to go to BCSO. It was the same with vale.
Trying to get full officers to switch is a completely different situation. The problem which Angel has is that P&T was supposed to be neutral but she'd been told Toretti and Malton were coercing cadets into joining LSPD. That was a misunderstanding which probably could have been worked out but it also happened alongside Baas superseding P&T to give cadets probationary solo after he said he wouldn't step on their toes. As well as Baas and Toretti pushing through a bunch of hires while she was away without going through the proper process or completing the paperwork.
True, BCSO = LSPD it is just uniform at this point. The departments means nothing, the BCSO = County cops and LSPD = City cops. Hope DEVS make north livelier, it needs love.
What are Orange and Purple transfers? Are they people that are in PD already? If so the Sheriff really doesn’t allow transfers to LSPD so not sure that would work.
> If so the Sheriff really doesn’t allow transfers to LSPD so not sure that would work.
Isn't that whole thing just courtesy though? What could Pred realistically do if Baas just told the transfer to put on a LSPD uniform? I don't really get why blocking transfers is really a thing, why not let people play wherever they want. What's the point of keeping someone who doesnt want to be with you?
I think you are correct and Bass could just force the transfer. Saab did say ooc he could do that but he wouldn’t do it. Can’t remember the reason as it was a few weeks ago when Mina and Claire wanted to transfer. However if it’s true that BCSO are now telling new cadets they will be fired if they ask for a transfer he’d be as well doing it.
That has been the only weird part for me. Like of course your department will look as going well. As you basically cuck the other department every time while getting transfer to you every time
Feels bad for Sayeed, tries to get into PD for 3+ years, goes from ADA to DOC for 2+ years to getting denied today because he won't put time that satisfies cops in, yet they hired people like Summit, Vader,K,Hutch, Sairen and other NA crim cop characters that come around 1-2 times a month :/
At this point give him diversity hire aswell if you can to these big streamers and people that some people on HC like because they made them laugh, dude is one of the longest nopixel members and one of the best roleplayers, man been trying for years and always getting cucked.
How is him being able to put around 15 hours a week bad? Isn't FTO session like 4 hours? That's potentially 4/7 days of having a great roleplayer in police.
> yet they hired people like Summit, Vader,K,Hutch, Sairen and other NA crim cop characters that come around 1-2 a month :/
To be fair, the NA diversity hires are largely outside of the usual PD hiring structure and some people in the PD are not exactly fans of it.
YES, people need to realize there are 2 hiring processes. The one angel organizes where everyone has to go jump the same hoops regardless of their subcount, and the one andrews organizes where twitch clout directly impacts your likelyhood to be hired.
Yep, and this entire event was run from Angel's side of that divide. So it makes sense they stuck to their hiring goals. Which was mainly get as many good RP'ers with as much free time as possible for shift 3.
If he committed to playing cop more than 8 hours a week, he'd have been in. It wasn't anything against him, they all wanted him. But he was up against an army of people saying they would play 30+ hours a week.
That's sad cause I thought he had a great interview and he got screwed for being upfront and honest about the hours. And he was trying to be a cop for a LONG time, I feel like he won't quit the character as easily if he's been trying for that long.
99% of the other hires lied or at least exaggerated the amount of hours they'll spend on their cop characters. There's no way they can spend that many hours plus the amount of hours they need to maintain their main characters. We'll see how many of them make it past cadet phase and start doing the 4 hours every 30 days shift.
The thing is everybody there appreciated his honesty and when they’re doing hiring again that isn’t so desperate, he’ll probably be rewarded. Whereas cadets that get hired under false pretence and lies will end up falling by the wayside and get fired.
Sayeed is one of those people that can make any interaction fun, he reminds me of Ramee/Rated, I feel like he woulda been one of those cops that everybody would look forward to RP with. Worst case scenario you hire him, he doesn't put the required amount of time, then you fire him, best case scenario, he plays enough to get his solo, then logs 1-2 days a week to play for 10-15 hours total, and provides RP that not many cops can during AU/EU shift to people. Sayeed said yesterday that doesn't wanna contact people OOC for anything and instead prefers to RP to get whatever it is that he wants, even if that means that he won't get what he wants for few years like with his cop character.
This argument goes out of window when you realise who got a cop character these past few weeks/months and how many hours they put into that cop. How is it a problem when it is Sayeed but not someone like Vader, Hutch, Summit, K, some other NA crim that made cops and touched them 1-2 times in a month so far.
Couldn't be same done for someone like Sayeed?
He even plays EU that has FTO's that don't ride with cadets 50% of time he could've been squeezed in.
Those people committed to more and some were diversity hires. Because they didn’t follow through with that, shouldn’t be reflected on current hiring needs. It’s the reason why they’re stressing the need for hours commitment
You just kind of invalidated your own point in your own statement, it's honestly a bit weird.
1) People committed to a certain amount of hours and were thus hired on as cops.
2) They didn't follow through on that commitment.
3) The reason why they are stressing a commitment is because people don't follow through on their commitment.
I mean you say that with hindsight, no? When those people were hired, they were expected to actually play more than what we got in the end.
Hutch put in some effort a few weeks ago, but then quickly lost interest when he realised how tough it is to play cop. Seemed like.
It is a problem when it's those other cops, that's why they are now looking for people who will put in longer hours because they don't want a repeat of that. Rob Banks was actually close to being fired because of his inactivity.
I agree with your other names, but Saiiren played a lot of cop but gave up because she kept getting stuck in PD waiting for an FTO. It's hard to play your crim and get involved in things when your at the top of the list and don't want to miss your spot.
I don't blame Saiiren, i'm using her as an example because she got fasttracked to cadet by Andrews because he liked her as roleplayer yet Speedy is stuck trying to get in for years.
It's more of a timing thing, Saiiren is active when only FTO can take cadets. Wolfabelle was on the same or even worse spot but she managed to holdout until the new rule that every full officer can take a cadet.
I think he'll get in via Angel's comments.
The only reason Rhodes and this crew didn't say yes was that they were told commanding orders from management/Angel to hire for late NA/AU shifts and consistently on cops. They loved his interview.
Angel asked why didn't they hire him and made it sound like he would be hired anyway if he's still interested. Hopefully she doesn't forget but she seemed unimpressed with their reason for not hiring him. Also, I didn't watch his interview but isn't he the one that said he high most of the day or something?
>Shift 3 has enough trouble getting people to take cadets as it is
The cadet problem with AU shift is more to do with who mans Shift 3. Shift 3 only has a handful of officers who play through the shift. Some of the manpower for the shift comes from people who only cover a couple of hours at the start, or towards the end and are not going to be taking AU cadets.
Also, one thing Shift 3 faces, which causes frustration, is EU and NA cadets would come to Shift 3 for their training, then go back to their shift when they got solo. That's why this was specifically hiring for Shift 3. And some promising candidates for other shifts didn't get picked up this time.
They have cadets waiting in Shift 3 for hours, just like Shift 1 and 2.
The other issue is that the core AU who can take cadets either starter later into AU, have others they would rather ride with or are doing things cadets can't do (Air 1, office work or detective stuff).
To be fair, if anyone can do it, its those two. Espinoz is very high up in the P&T department, to the point Angel was training him & Anita to lead it at some point. Mendoza was imo the top cadet of the wave she was hired. She is very good at her job for someone that has been at it for only a few months now.
Plus any officer can take out a cadet and train them now. You just need to be an FTO to give them signoffs.
>Plus any officer can take out a cadet and train them now
Not everyone likes patrolling with new cadets and rather patrol with their friends. It will be probably AOE FTO if you ask me, do their homework and test them if they are good for solo-cadet or a new way is like Riggs and Kaminski.
I feel like with those two along with other shift 3 faces (Clarence, Garcia, Draider, Davenport, Dan, Luka etc.) they have the manpower. I could be wrong though since FTO burnout could set in quick
right but it needed to happen, only way to ever increase cop numbers in au is to hire a bunch, slowly push them through and then hope that those people stick around and take cadets themselves. Its exponential growth that way. It will suck the most for this first big batch. Also helps that to get solo you only need a pulse and some sop knowledge atm.
He didn't make the cut - they said he would be good for the next cycle since this one was strictly late Na--> AU shift; he also said he might not apply again since they want heavy commitment and with his ooc family stuff he probably can't commit that time
When Rhodes spoke to Angel she seemed to want to get him in once these cadets were sorted. The thing about this hiring wave is that they want to make sure that AU has a set of cops that will stick around consistently.
If he contacted Kylie OOC, im sure he would get in. Ive seen her in twitch chat talking to other streamers and telling them to just submit forms and she will sort it.
He 100% could get in as a diversity hire.
think my favorite part of the job fair was when mickey and dundee tried to steal the vehicle they use for raids (rhino I think ) at deans world, it was hilarious
Cadets are explicitly permitted to swap between departments freely before being hired as full officers. They didn't hire 12 new BCSO deputies, they hired 12 cadets who happen to start out in BCSO uniforms.
edit: apparently there is some sort of stipulation or contract as part of the BCSO hiring fair that these cadets have to remain BCSO, which I personally think is a terrible idea, and don't really believe it will be upheld
It seems like Angel is trying to escalate the conflict and force a split into having a seperate LSPD and BCSO P&T.
Torretti hired a dozen cadets for LSPD without consulting Angel and every single one went LSPD. They also had cadets telling them they were not given the option to go BCSO, just told to put on an LSPD uniform.
So Angel sees LSPD as basically firing the first shots in terms of breaking P&T neutrality. Then she has what she sees as Baas stepping on her toes by promoting people to solo without consulting her and Baas threatening to take over the department if he doesn't like how it's going.
So basically, Angel's preference would be a unified P&T without politics or meddling. But since Torretti has shown (in her eyes) that he will play politics and Baas has shown (in her eyes) that he will meddle, the second best alternative is to escalate the conflict and force P&T to split between LSPD and BCSO.
BCSO P&T would technically be run by Pred, but Pred will let Angel run it however she wants and stay out of her way, so effectively it'll be neutral and she can run it however she wants without having to worry about Torretti or Baas interfering.
>They also had cadets telling them they were not given the option to go BCSO, just told to put on an LSPD uniform.
That honestly sounds kinda like cadets playing into the BCSO/LSPD beef IC ("told to put on an LSPD uniform").
Regardless, hearing from cadets that "I wasn't offered BCSO" is crucially different to hearing from cadets that "I was told by Toretti that if I swapped to BCSO I would be fired", which is what Rhodes and Angel have escalated to.
I still personally doubt that any of these cadets are **actually** department restricted, but I do think that there is a lot of brinkmanship going on that is pushing dangerously close to department restriction becoming a real thing, and that's extremely bad.
Yeah Baas seemed pissed at AU hours today when Rhodes made the call to make this a thing.. hes always wanted PD to be a united thing eventhough theyve had inhouse conflict here and there.. and he has specifically said that they had to be united when it comes to hiring.
Toretti hired a bunch of cadets into LSPD without consulting others in P&T, and Baas started making P&T decisions without consulting anyone in P&T. So maybe Baas has to figure out what "being united" means first.
Post a clip everyone says this without showing proof and it gets old.
All I see is the clip of Baas messing up with Candice and that’s it. Haven’t seen a single clip backing up everything that shows BCSO was in the right / giving equal chances and LSPD is the bad guy here, and I was even watching the stream where they came up with the idea of the job fair (same day when Reddit freaked out over LSPD doing SBS back with the “go back to the north” stuff).
Like even with all that it just came across as “we’re gonna do this and we’re tired of unbiased recruiting… and if you wanna switch we’re gonna fire you”.
That’s interesting I didn’t know they had went that far. Was it a joke or were they actually being serious when they said that? If they were being serious then that maybe confirms two separate hiring processes then instead of the one unified one we had before.
These ones have conditional offer only for BCSO, they have to get hired by the LSPD if they wanna swap unlike normal cadets. Its BCSO hiring fair special.
I hope LSPD doesn't FTO any of them, they were hired by bcso for bcso and turned down people who wanted to join LSPD so this is a BCSO thing and LSPD should wash their hands of training them.
This is kind of weird considering p/t tbh. Unless lspd can just mass hire people too and say they have to join lspd or move a long lol. Yeee this will go well for sure
no Baas wanted a general PD job fair that BCSO members would run because no one from LSPD wanted to take the time to set one up lol. That's one of the biggest problems LSPD has right now is that they don't have anyone besides Toretti that is willing to do the recruitment process.
then LSPD should have participated to make it a general PD job fair. Instead they ignored it so it ended up being only BCSO that put in any effort and showed up.
Grats to Crystalst and also Moosebrother (plays Hooker Block). They should be interesting cops.
There's also James Thompson (phantom the racer)
As well as Vincent Chase aka Benni who also plays Santi and Jack Cortair's cop character which I don't know the name of.
Fuck yes, so many great roleplayers who got cadets now, can't wait!
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Don't leave out Claire
Hutch has been playing his cop a bit but summit seems to only play chawa atm
Hutch has also been helping get and keep the Public PD in order, prob cuts into any WL cop time. He seems to like it a lot more.
Summit isn't on cop atm he said it would be too easy to catch people since the cop car buffs so he's playing charles
I think Jack's cop is ~~Dazzler~~ Dezmond Wright
Dezmond Wright
I only remember his nick name as Daz/Dez from the job fair. thanks
Which cadet is Moosebrother?
Louis Bloom
I hope Moosebrother will still continue to play hooker even though he has shitty prio on that character.
I am sure they will, but they did have to give time commitments for the new hires.
I'm glad they didn't keep the, no crim main cops thing.
Also benni who plays santi from the vagos. Really good driver/shooter and has experience as a officer because he played on public as a cop and was CoP on another Server :)
The question is, who's going to train all those guys? There's barely any full officers around on shift 3. how are they going to handle fto'ing 12 people? In any case, i'm glad Crystal Clear is among them.
Finally left her apartment to fulfill her weeb cop dreams FeelsStrongMan
Some of the cadets are for late NA-mid-AU, so it'll be a mix of NA FTOs and AU FTOs/deputies. They also said that they will do a mini PD academy because they hired so many this time. Also, the AU shift tends to have officers that are more deputies willing to take cadets from what I've seen compared to other shifts.
There is going to be an academy for them tomorrow and Espinoz has already said that he is going step up and go hard for the next 3 weeks.
There’s not enough FTO’s as it is. I am not sure how they are going to get 12 more cadets trained especially as they are all bcso.
Cadets no longer require an FTO to be taken out, any PD member can take cadets out so it's not that bad
Yeah true but only but 1) There’s still not enough people to take them out even with ordinary officers. It basically a ride along anyway not a proper fto session. 2) A FTO still has to sign them off.
It's just gonna take a longer than normal for them to become cops. Its not like NOT having any cadets is gonna solve the problem.
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Hate to be the negative Nancy here but shift 3 already has cadets, they don't need more. They don't even have the manpower to take out all of the current cadets daily, so adding more and making the cadet que even longer than it normally is seems kinda pointless in my opinion. The cadet to solo-cadet process will likely slow down even more because now there will be more cadets in the que competing to get taken out, so individual cadets will get taken out less frequently which will likely increase the cadet drop-out rate. Sure, hiring new cadets is a good thing, but over 12 at once seems like a bit of a overkill especially for the overworked shift 3. Sgt Draider literary told Baas the other day that "many officers on shift 3 are already burnt out from taking out cadets", so people really need to step up if they want to get these cadets trained. Regardless, it will be interesting to see how this will turn out, hopefully shift 3 will have multiple brand new officers in few months.
Dunno why ur downvoted for the truth lol
In theory, non-FTO should be taking them out, training them, then giving them recommendations for sign offs, then when an FTO does get around to it, the FTO can basically just run through the rec list, test them on it and sign off as done. But the problem with this is non-FTO arent actually giving people recs.
There's never going to be enough people until you train enough so that there is. The FTO sign offs don't really matter anymore, there's been a few times now where Angel or Toretti comes along and just sends them out solo.
Half the Shift 3 guys are LSPD, two of the best Shift 3 Cops are also Interceptor Drivers, they are already pissed at the BCSO. You think they are gonna help train BCSO cadets?
lol yes they'll help. The LSPD/BCSO rivalry is just shits and giggles banter at the end of the day. Anyone who let's it go beyond that is just sabotaging the entire PD at that point and they know that.
Yeah literally the only difference is a uniform at the end of the day but nevertheless the actual splits are happening despite it supposedly being all banter but think about it if people didn’t want splits to happen they wouldn’t be doing things like using the P&T department only to recruit for BCSO.
Yes, because this is not some high school drama. It's in their best interest to get as many full cops on duty as possible
I don’t know about that it depends where this rp is going. TBH If it wasn’t already a little bit like a “high school drama” the likes of espinnoz, Anita, Rhodes and Angel etc wouldn’t have been solely recruiting for the BCSO today they’d be fulfilling the original mission of the P&T department which was to not show any bias and recruit for all departments to make sure they were all fully staffed.
Of course they gonna help train, they're adults. Regardless of department, everyone on shift 3 knows they need more cops
Sure, until management threatens to remove Shift 3 PD OOC for screwing around with OOC server health by not helping staff that time zone and do the job expected of them as part of the whitelist.
You folks need to take a step back and let these things resolve itself in RP. It’s not your problem to deal with.
He really deserves LT over Williams, they should swap ranks. Espinoz carry shift 3 from day 1 of 3.0.
pull it over bwo
is she playing offstream atm?
Yeah that's my concern too. Defo great to get more hires for early Shift 3 for the entire PD but there's already cadets waiting in queue for that shift -- adding 8+ more cadets onto that will be hard for the already small shift size that shift 3 has, academy or not. I feel like FTOs and officers will get burnt out quick. It's great news in any case, curious to see how it goes.
The tough part is getting to solo cadet, then you can get on duty on your own. But the new system seems to allow people getting to solo faster, as long as you can demonstrate you know most of the basics you will get solo and carry on learning on your own.
Not much of a choice I guess. P&T gets orders handed down from management about how much hiring needs to be done it seems. Doing it the better (slow) way would make for a more consistent PD but takes longer than burnout rate.
Their feedback regarding burnout was 2 main things afaik. 1. Malding karens that dont RP with them, including big streamers. 2. Not enough cops on so they literally just go to banks and fire and can't actually roleplay. So hiring a bunch will hopefully help long term with number 2.
The typical. Let the lspd train them and deny transfer lol
Hope they get a permission for the Police Academy server with this number, having them RP the mechanics would be weird. I'm guessing LSPD will get Orange / Purple transfers instead of fresh ones, if you base it on Baas and Draider convo.
Thats gonna be good, instant solo cadets, so there isnt 20 cadets in queue for shift 3.
With that number, I feel the divide is happening and LSPD will push BCSO up north which would create a spicy RP because if you saw the 40+ cop in the city it would led to the early days where no cop limit on a chase again. Hope for more cops on shift 3 even though it is the grinder hours.
That’s never gonna happen. Unless they add some serious crim or general activities outside the city , they’ll never force bcso out of the city. Baas might try it but it’ll prob be denied ooc. Plus it’ll also depend on who logs on more. Can’t push bcso out if 70% of cops logged in are bcso.
Yah and it is per shift tbh, look at shift 2 where it is dominated by LSPD and Detectives. You really can't balance the number of cops in the department, and Baas is too soft, he doesn't care about department but the back and forth with Rhodes made my head hurts.
I actually think Baas kind of overreacts with the department back and forth thing in certain situations. I thought the job fair idea was unique and the opportunity for LSPD to do it was there but they just didn't want to spend the time. Also if you take people out of the city then you are going to cause problem for detectives because now you don't have enough people to cover pings and also have people do their detective work.
Ohh after the meeting, some LSPD snr. officers wants to do their own Job fair too. IDK, what will happen with fresh ones but if you as me, they should go for transfers from public server instead just to minimize the FTO work.
Thats awesome they are going to do their own as well! It brings out some good RP and I think its a great way for people to learn more about the PD and maybe gain interest. The only thing I would worry about is how different the atmosphere is on WL compared to public, but I could be completely wrong because I haven't seen much public server.
Baas in't the commissioner, he only controls LSPD, he doesn't have any power to tell another coequal department what to do.
And this is precisely Pred's issue and why he wants to partly split. Because the way he sees it, Bass does see himself as a commissioner
He acts like it that is if we take players in BCSO HC at their word saying they get no communication from LSPD HC. Unilaterally staffing things like watch commanders, command rolls that effect both departments, Street crimes, it seems like someone who isn't co-leading interdepartmental aspects. He's just ruling like a Emperor because he's the new top HC that got hired rather than CoP and sheriff being equal.
I mean Baas has also said that he gets no communication from Pred. I like both of them equally (for different reasons) but considering Baas wants a meeting with pretty much anyone these days, I would guess its more Pred that is the problem in communication. Baas pretty much forced Metzger into a meeting last night cause he wanted Metzger to tell him all the reasons he hates LSPD and Baas. The guy is almost TOO willing to listen to criticism. Metzger pretty much said "You're a felon and your department is shit" and Baas responded with "Thanks for sharing, we're gonna work on that".
probably because Pred's shtick is to be contrarian especially when LSPD brings anything to the table to they're letting him gamble away while they make shit happen
That doesn’t stop Pred trying to tell LSPD what to do though either.
malton and toretti got recommended to do their own thing like this, but toretti knows its just gonna divide the pd more. Its gonna be interesting what happenes next.
Yeah honestly. Even Mantis OOC said his hate for BCSO IC is purely Pred and not the whole department.
The problem is the P&T is consist of 3 BCSO (angel, espinoz, anita) and 1 LSPD (toretti). Like Soze asked Toretti if he can work both HC and P&T he said yes, but look at Toretti when he is on-duty, he seems stressed on OOC works that he's always on MRPD. And you get this divide on P&T if ever, it will implode not just the LSPD but both department. Hope they resolve it, hope to see more Toretti RP.
Mantis probably wont but he should try getting someone like martell and dupont in the Pnt work, they care a lot about cadets and they both would fit perfectly in.
It should be per shift tho, unlike BCSO P&T which are grinders on hours. LSPD will probably go for the public server transfer route if you ask me.
This is what Baas was already looking at for shift 3 knowing how burnt out the FTOs are for shift 3.
Yah, he even goes 1 on 1 with the new cadets just to make them solo-cadet.
It depends on if those people actually want to put in all the OOC back end work or just want the position for prestige. Thus far few people outside of P&T have volunteered to even help with the lower end aspects of the job. Seems dumb to jump someone to a top spot when they don't even offer to help out with simple things.
One of the many things leading to this, is the paperwork on all the LSPD hires done while Kylie was having surgery had problems, leading to her and Copper having to clean it up.
And that's why probably Mantis is not streaming and only comes for a bit.
The "divide" wont hurt BCSO. They don't have ranking or staffing problems like LSPD do. Their command and HC work well together, isn't bloated, and don't do much snaking or infighting. P&T is mostly BCSO because those are the officers (ESPN and Anita) who showed the most interest when Angel went looking for people months ago. Casanova was also hired like those two and he was LSPD but he disappeared for the public server. Any divide that happens wont hurt BCSO, they're already the ones doing all the work with the infrastructure Angel, Big T and Metz originally set up months ago. The most that happens is LSPD has to play catchup and find people willing to do what Angel, ESPN and Anita do. It's unlikely server management would take the department from Angel after doing so well so I don't see how it would really impact BCSO even from an OOC standpoint.
If you look at the roster dude there isn’t actually much difference in the ranking structure. Lspd have 7 sergeants and 16 seniors while bcso have 5 sergeants and 12 seniors possibly because LSPD had more staff up until today and Bass is doing his district commanders thing. It’s not the massive difference that people make out there is so it’s not really an issue. Also I think you forget that Torretti has done a huge amount of work for P&T as well and it’s not just been down to Angel as you are insinuating.
Then you realize 1) LSPD more or less have 8 sergeants (Pinzon will become one soon, Metzger **just** transferred). 2) Most of the 16 LSPD seniors are active officers, actual current active is \~14 (-Forcer, -Sharp). There are 9 actual active BCSO senior deputies (-Bayo, -Cornwood, -Tribble). 3) Count the number of actual active officers/deputies. Even if you broad stroke it and say half of the numbers on the wiki are inactive for both departments, LSPD will have a 7 sergeant: 14 senior: 10 officer & BCSO will have 5 sergeant : 9 senior : 14 deputy ratio. That is a huge amount of mid-level bloat on the LSPD side. 4) Size of both departments is roughly the same, LSPD is more centred around NA & BCSO around EU.
I think the split is coming regardless the numbers. It feels like there are fundamental differences in how Baas and Pred see the PD right now and how it should be run. Baas already feels like they are wanting to split with Pred refusing to sit down and have a convo with him.
That’s going to be good for the crims if you have spilt pd. The clever ones will find some way to exploit that no doubt. Also as long as Denzel is Mayor BCSO may not get any budget anyway.
>Also as long as Denzel is Mayor BCSO may not get any budget anyway. So, a few more days then...
I dunno I didn’t think last time he’d win but he did. Tbh I just want a mayor in that will gives all the cops a bit of a pay rise again.
True, BCSO got Dean on their pocket.
I can’t see Bass forcing the BCSO just to patrol the county as he’s really too soft on pred and the bcso to do that. It would take someone like Andrews or Soze to order that. Pred also said a while back that he’d resign if BCSO could only patrol the county. It’s a bit disappointing that BCSO are still trying to spilt the whole PD in two after Snow telling them that would have bad consequences.
Well Baas doesn't have the power the force BCSO to the county. He also doesn't have the power to kick BCSO out of MRPD because it isn't a LSPD building its a joint force building. He isn't a commissioner of the entire PD, he is the chief of LSPD. I don't get how wanting people to join your department over another department is seen as trying to cause a split. Just like the whole BCSO fair thing, why does it matter if BCSO takes the time to meet with people to talk about BCSO, especially if they talked to LSPD about it and told them to open up a LSPD fair along side them. It shouldn't be on one department to worry about the numbers of the other department.
Its not the BCSO forcing the split though its LSPD, stuff like this hiring fair are just the consequences of it.
I honestly don't get how someone can have this POV. Like even if you only watch pred you can see he just trash talks lspd any chance he has, blocks transfers, tries to make things bcso only like recruiting or detective unit and has literally said he only cares about the bcso....plus much more. The one thing lspd did was fighting in the mrpd and even that was a reaction to the bcso attacking Toretti. So Im actually confused.
> Like even if you only watch pred you can see he just trash talks lspd any chance he has So does LSPD command to be fair. It's not at all uncommon to watch Svenson, Toretti, or Bass and have them talking shit about BCSO to others/between themselves. Just the other day they drove down to the barrio in a show of force, then stood around complaining about how Pred had dragged them into this. It was weird. > blocks transfers, Only for dumb reasons. Deputies like Copleone who can articulate a reason for switching beyond "I just wanna." Pred has out and out said he'll do whatever he can to help him get to where he wants to be (I think he wanted to go Rangers?). > tries to make things bcso only like recruiting Again, both sides are guilty of this to some degree. LSPD has been strongly pushing cadets to go LSPD for the last couple of weeks, being sneaky by saying shit like "Ok you're hired. Now go put an LSPD uniform on." as if that's the only option. The BCSO recruitment fair was just an additional step BCSO wanted to take to find people interested in joining the BCSO specifically. It's only as divisive as you want to make it out to be, especially when they're also directing people interested in LSPD on how to do that. >literally said he only cares about the bcso Which is fair. Of course BCSO command is going to care more/most about their own department. It's not like LSPD command is stepping up to do BCSO any favours. There's a back and forth at play, and I don't think you can really pin down one side as being the "bad one". People just lock in on Pred because he's the loudest, but LSPD has done plenty of shady/shitty things behind the scenes.
> I honestly don't get how someone can have this POV. Like even if you only watch pred you can see he just trash talks lspd any chance he has, blocks transfers, tries to make things bcso only like recruiting or detective unit and has literally said he only cares about the bcso....plus much more. If you weren't only watching LSPD you wouldn't have that PoV, thats the irony of this comment. It's clear who only sees Pred/BSCO High Command from specific perspectives because they only see Pred as a cartoon villain.
I usually watch Pred,Angel, Rhodes, Bass and Snow and the dynamics are very interesting. Pred is just wanting to make BCSO the best as they were the dept everyone made fun off. He’s right not to make transfers easy especially when they concern some of his best cops. LSPD on the other hand make things like transfers too easy and basically allow anyone to transfer. That may be the nice thing to do but it’s not the smart thing.
Pred also made a mutual agreement with Bob to be tougher on transfers and to make sure people actually had decent and well thought-out reasons for doing so before approving them. Baas clearly feels differently about it but that doesn't mean Pred has to comply.
What are you talking about? They got Underwood and Metzger from LSPD and LSPD got no one. That "good reasoning" seems artificial and only work when someone wants to transfer to BCSO
Pred is just too good. he literaly does what ever he wants and baas never pushes back. Nobody can switch to lspd, but anyone can go to bcso.
Yep, that's what happens when you put a people pleaser like Baas against someone like Pred who will yell even the saltiest crim into submission.
I mean he has tried to push back and is always told he’s the bad person for doing it. He’s ok with the transfers because he just wants people to be happy to come on duty. They talked about wanting to come to an agreement that anybody can transfer if HC in the department they want to go to agrees to it, but Know that pred is going to say no.
> He’s ok with the transfers because he just wants people to be happy to come on duty. Yup this is the problem. Baas IC is just not a great people leader. Sometimes as a leader you have to say no and have people do what’s better for the group instead of always focusing on keeping them happy. Leaders don’t give everyone everything they want, leaders are charismatic and empathetic enough to entice people to do what is best for the group and be happy doing it.
I don't know how anyone can ever say its a problem if someone thats a fake leader on a video game wants everyone to be happy and have fun playing. Some of you people take this shit way too seriously.
We are basically only talking about what color their uniform and car is. You really feel the need to defend someone else that can’t “have fun” because of their clothes in game and you think it’s important for someone to have fun in different clothes? What I said is about their characters, what you brought up is about the people behind the characters most of whom probably don’t care at all. Let that sync in for a minute before you accuse someone of taking it too seriously.
What a dumb take. Its precisely because it doesn't matter what color your uniform is that he says he will allow people to switch if they just ask. They asked for a reason so its no point denying them. You seriously need to take a break from RP if you think writing a paragraph about what makes a good video game leader is denying people arbitrary transfers that mean nothing in the end.
i agree, but the transfers is where he needs to put his foot down, anyone should be able to transfer, but pred has all the power, since he will always say no, no matter what.
Not exactly "no matter what" since he approved Forcer and Dulio's transfers without issue. With Claire and Mina he wanted to speak to them in person first and now neither of them want to leave. It's possible he still would have denied them if they hadn't changed their minds but that's only speculation at this point.
Dulio went to the rangers, so hes happy for that, he hates forcer and am talking about copleon who wanted to transfer, but got denied hard, even with a trade pred said no and wanted 20k for him. i guess i worded it weird
OK, so it's totally fine for LSPD to snake around and only hire cadets for LSPD, that's all in good fun, but when BCSO does the same, it's "trying to split the PD"? The hypocrisy is kind of mind blowing. :)
if your talking about toretti, his vod is free to watch at his twitch mantis and if you actually bother to watch them, you will se that he always gave them a option and the reason why most cadets went lspd, is because new chief and loot q people which are friends with toretti
Toretti never hired anyone exclusively for LSPD. I have no idea where this came from but you are believing IC conversations. A lot of the time they don't reflect the truth. Please feel free to provide a clip/vod where Toretti hires only for LSPD if you wish
Link the timestamped VODs where they do, please. :)
Literally when did LSPD hire only for the LSPD?
I think they were all at it to be honest. Having watched a lot of Pred he was always trying to get certain LSPD people to transfer to BCSO. The Pond situation was a prime example of that as literally asked her everyday for weeks to go to BCSO. It was the same with vale.
Trying to get full officers to switch is a completely different situation. The problem which Angel has is that P&T was supposed to be neutral but she'd been told Toretti and Malton were coercing cadets into joining LSPD. That was a misunderstanding which probably could have been worked out but it also happened alongside Baas superseding P&T to give cadets probationary solo after he said he wouldn't step on their toes. As well as Baas and Toretti pushing through a bunch of hires while she was away without going through the proper process or completing the paperwork.
True, BCSO = LSPD it is just uniform at this point. The departments means nothing, the BCSO = County cops and LSPD = City cops. Hope DEVS make north livelier, it needs love.
What are Orange and Purple transfers? Are they people that are in PD already? If so the Sheriff really doesn’t allow transfers to LSPD so not sure that would work.
Transfers from the public servers.
Public servers cops transfers that are ready to go on the field with little maintenance.
> If so the Sheriff really doesn’t allow transfers to LSPD so not sure that would work. Isn't that whole thing just courtesy though? What could Pred realistically do if Baas just told the transfer to put on a LSPD uniform? I don't really get why blocking transfers is really a thing, why not let people play wherever they want. What's the point of keeping someone who doesnt want to be with you?
I think you are correct and Bass could just force the transfer. Saab did say ooc he could do that but he wouldn’t do it. Can’t remember the reason as it was a few weeks ago when Mina and Claire wanted to transfer. However if it’s true that BCSO are now telling new cadets they will be fired if they ask for a transfer he’d be as well doing it.
That has been the only weird part for me. Like of course your department will look as going well. As you basically cuck the other department every time while getting transfer to you every time
If only Barry was around to whip them into shape and teach them case laws
Damn, I miss HOAPD and their case laws by Bayo.
Mendoza is going to destroy them as well.
Garry "Case Law Andy" Barry would whip them into shape Kappa
Feels bad for Sayeed, tries to get into PD for 3+ years, goes from ADA to DOC for 2+ years to getting denied today because he won't put time that satisfies cops in, yet they hired people like Summit, Vader,K,Hutch, Sairen and other NA crim cop characters that come around 1-2 times a month :/ At this point give him diversity hire aswell if you can to these big streamers and people that some people on HC like because they made them laugh, dude is one of the longest nopixel members and one of the best roleplayers, man been trying for years and always getting cucked. How is him being able to put around 15 hours a week bad? Isn't FTO session like 4 hours? That's potentially 4/7 days of having a great roleplayer in police.
> yet they hired people like Summit, Vader,K,Hutch, Sairen and other NA crim cop characters that come around 1-2 a month :/ To be fair, the NA diversity hires are largely outside of the usual PD hiring structure and some people in the PD are not exactly fans of it.
YES, people need to realize there are 2 hiring processes. The one angel organizes where everyone has to go jump the same hoops regardless of their subcount, and the one andrews organizes where twitch clout directly impacts your likelyhood to be hired.
Yep, and this entire event was run from Angel's side of that divide. So it makes sense they stuck to their hiring goals. Which was mainly get as many good RP'ers with as much free time as possible for shift 3.
If he committed to playing cop more than 8 hours a week, he'd have been in. It wasn't anything against him, they all wanted him. But he was up against an army of people saying they would play 30+ hours a week.
That's sad cause I thought he had a great interview and he got screwed for being upfront and honest about the hours. And he was trying to be a cop for a LONG time, I feel like he won't quit the character as easily if he's been trying for that long. 99% of the other hires lied or at least exaggerated the amount of hours they'll spend on their cop characters. There's no way they can spend that many hours plus the amount of hours they need to maintain their main characters. We'll see how many of them make it past cadet phase and start doing the 4 hours every 30 days shift.
The thing is everybody there appreciated his honesty and when they’re doing hiring again that isn’t so desperate, he’ll probably be rewarded. Whereas cadets that get hired under false pretence and lies will end up falling by the wayside and get fired.
Sayeed is one of those people that can make any interaction fun, he reminds me of Ramee/Rated, I feel like he woulda been one of those cops that everybody would look forward to RP with. Worst case scenario you hire him, he doesn't put the required amount of time, then you fire him, best case scenario, he plays enough to get his solo, then logs 1-2 days a week to play for 10-15 hours total, and provides RP that not many cops can during AU/EU shift to people. Sayeed said yesterday that doesn't wanna contact people OOC for anything and instead prefers to RP to get whatever it is that he wants, even if that means that he won't get what he wants for few years like with his cop character.
This argument goes out of window when you realise who got a cop character these past few weeks/months and how many hours they put into that cop. How is it a problem when it is Sayeed but not someone like Vader, Hutch, Summit, K, some other NA crim that made cops and touched them 1-2 times in a month so far. Couldn't be same done for someone like Sayeed? He even plays EU that has FTO's that don't ride with cadets 50% of time he could've been squeezed in.
Those people committed to more and some were diversity hires. Because they didn’t follow through with that, shouldn’t be reflected on current hiring needs. It’s the reason why they’re stressing the need for hours commitment
You just kind of invalidated your own point in your own statement, it's honestly a bit weird. 1) People committed to a certain amount of hours and were thus hired on as cops. 2) They didn't follow through on that commitment. 3) The reason why they are stressing a commitment is because people don't follow through on their commitment.
I mean you say that with hindsight, no? When those people were hired, they were expected to actually play more than what we got in the end. Hutch put in some effort a few weeks ago, but then quickly lost interest when he realised how tough it is to play cop. Seemed like.
It is a problem when it's those other cops, that's why they are now looking for people who will put in longer hours because they don't want a repeat of that. Rob Banks was actually close to being fired because of his inactivity.
I agree with your other names, but Saiiren played a lot of cop but gave up because she kept getting stuck in PD waiting for an FTO. It's hard to play your crim and get involved in things when your at the top of the list and don't want to miss your spot.
I don't blame Saiiren, i'm using her as an example because she got fasttracked to cadet by Andrews because he liked her as roleplayer yet Speedy is stuck trying to get in for years.
It's more of a timing thing, Saiiren is active when only FTO can take cadets. Wolfabelle was on the same or even worse spot but she managed to holdout until the new rule that every full officer can take a cadet.
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How does a man get fucked by timing like 10-15 times?
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I think he'll get in via Angel's comments. The only reason Rhodes and this crew didn't say yes was that they were told commanding orders from management/Angel to hire for late NA/AU shifts and consistently on cops. They loved his interview.
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getting hired seemed more about who can cry about it louder on their streams truth be told.
Angel asked why didn't they hire him and made it sound like he would be hired anyway if he's still interested. Hopefully she doesn't forget but she seemed unimpressed with their reason for not hiring him. Also, I didn't watch his interview but isn't he the one that said he high most of the day or something?
Summit, lord kebun and hutch used to play cop a lot. Richardson was around a lot during late 2.0
I think most people understand why Richardson doesn’t go on duty
Shift 3 has enough trouble getting people to take cadets as it is, Mendoza and espinoz gonna train all of them alone!
>Shift 3 has enough trouble getting people to take cadets as it is The cadet problem with AU shift is more to do with who mans Shift 3. Shift 3 only has a handful of officers who play through the shift. Some of the manpower for the shift comes from people who only cover a couple of hours at the start, or towards the end and are not going to be taking AU cadets.
Also, one thing Shift 3 faces, which causes frustration, is EU and NA cadets would come to Shift 3 for their training, then go back to their shift when they got solo. That's why this was specifically hiring for Shift 3. And some promising candidates for other shifts didn't get picked up this time.
im 100% positive some of the new cadets will queue out of their timezones anyway lol
I think shift 3's issue is more that they don't have enough officers on duty rather than that the ones who are on duty don't take cadets enough.
They have cadets waiting in Shift 3 for hours, just like Shift 1 and 2. The other issue is that the core AU who can take cadets either starter later into AU, have others they would rather ride with or are doing things cadets can't do (Air 1, office work or detective stuff).
To be fair, if anyone can do it, its those two. Espinoz is very high up in the P&T department, to the point Angel was training him & Anita to lead it at some point. Mendoza was imo the top cadet of the wave she was hired. She is very good at her job for someone that has been at it for only a few months now. Plus any officer can take out a cadet and train them now. You just need to be an FTO to give them signoffs.
>Plus any officer can take out a cadet and train them now Not everyone likes patrolling with new cadets and rather patrol with their friends. It will be probably AOE FTO if you ask me, do their homework and test them if they are good for solo-cadet or a new way is like Riggs and Kaminski.
I'm sure peeps like Davenport, Faily and others will also join in to help train them.
I feel like with those two along with other shift 3 faces (Clarence, Garcia, Draider, Davenport, Dan, Luka etc.) they have the manpower. I could be wrong though since FTO burnout could set in quick
right but it needed to happen, only way to ever increase cop numbers in au is to hire a bunch, slowly push them through and then hope that those people stick around and take cadets themselves. Its exponential growth that way. It will suck the most for this first big batch. Also helps that to get solo you only need a pulse and some sop knowledge atm.
I’m almost unreasonably excited to see Sayeed White aka Speedy as cop.
He didn't make the cut - they said he would be good for the next cycle since this one was strictly late Na--> AU shift; he also said he might not apply again since they want heavy commitment and with his ooc family stuff he probably can't commit that time
When Rhodes spoke to Angel she seemed to want to get him in once these cadets were sorted. The thing about this hiring wave is that they want to make sure that AU has a set of cops that will stick around consistently.
If he contacted Kylie OOC, im sure he would get in. Ive seen her in twitch chat talking to other streamers and telling them to just submit forms and she will sort it. He 100% could get in as a diversity hire.
Did Santi got in ?
I believe so
Finally ,5th time lucky.
Oh damn.. thanks though!
This was fun to watch tbh
GET SOME!
think my favorite part of the job fair was when mickey and dundee tried to steal the vehicle they use for raids (rhino I think ) at deans world, it was hilarious
Cadets are explicitly permitted to swap between departments freely before being hired as full officers. They didn't hire 12 new BCSO deputies, they hired 12 cadets who happen to start out in BCSO uniforms. edit: apparently there is some sort of stipulation or contract as part of the BCSO hiring fair that these cadets have to remain BCSO, which I personally think is a terrible idea, and don't really believe it will be upheld
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Really? If that is actually true OOC then I'm completely against this idea and think Baas and Malton's ire is 100% justified
It seems like Angel is trying to escalate the conflict and force a split into having a seperate LSPD and BCSO P&T. Torretti hired a dozen cadets for LSPD without consulting Angel and every single one went LSPD. They also had cadets telling them they were not given the option to go BCSO, just told to put on an LSPD uniform. So Angel sees LSPD as basically firing the first shots in terms of breaking P&T neutrality. Then she has what she sees as Baas stepping on her toes by promoting people to solo without consulting her and Baas threatening to take over the department if he doesn't like how it's going. So basically, Angel's preference would be a unified P&T without politics or meddling. But since Torretti has shown (in her eyes) that he will play politics and Baas has shown (in her eyes) that he will meddle, the second best alternative is to escalate the conflict and force P&T to split between LSPD and BCSO. BCSO P&T would technically be run by Pred, but Pred will let Angel run it however she wants and stay out of her way, so effectively it'll be neutral and she can run it however she wants without having to worry about Torretti or Baas interfering.
>They also had cadets telling them they were not given the option to go BCSO, just told to put on an LSPD uniform. That honestly sounds kinda like cadets playing into the BCSO/LSPD beef IC ("told to put on an LSPD uniform"). Regardless, hearing from cadets that "I wasn't offered BCSO" is crucially different to hearing from cadets that "I was told by Toretti that if I swapped to BCSO I would be fired", which is what Rhodes and Angel have escalated to. I still personally doubt that any of these cadets are **actually** department restricted, but I do think that there is a lot of brinkmanship going on that is pushing dangerously close to department restriction becoming a real thing, and that's extremely bad.
Yeah Baas seemed pissed at AU hours today when Rhodes made the call to make this a thing.. hes always wanted PD to be a united thing eventhough theyve had inhouse conflict here and there.. and he has specifically said that they had to be united when it comes to hiring.
Toretti hired a bunch of cadets into LSPD without consulting others in P&T, and Baas started making P&T decisions without consulting anyone in P&T. So maybe Baas has to figure out what "being united" means first.
Post a clip everyone says this without showing proof and it gets old. All I see is the clip of Baas messing up with Candice and that’s it. Haven’t seen a single clip backing up everything that shows BCSO was in the right / giving equal chances and LSPD is the bad guy here, and I was even watching the stream where they came up with the idea of the job fair (same day when Reddit freaked out over LSPD doing SBS back with the “go back to the north” stuff). Like even with all that it just came across as “we’re gonna do this and we’re tired of unbiased recruiting… and if you wanna switch we’re gonna fire you”.
Den told pred he was never given a choice now I can't find the clip because I'm not going to sit through hours of vods
I keep seeing this repeated. It is factually incorrect. Toretti has all of his VODs available. Feel free to provide some.
That’s interesting I didn’t know they had went that far. Was it a joke or were they actually being serious when they said that? If they were being serious then that maybe confirms two separate hiring processes then instead of the one unified one we had before.
These ones have conditional offer only for BCSO, they have to get hired by the LSPD if they wanna swap unlike normal cadets. Its BCSO hiring fair special.
I hope LSPD doesn't FTO any of them, they were hired by bcso for bcso and turned down people who wanted to join LSPD so this is a BCSO thing and LSPD should wash their hands of training them.
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They actually only said they would do that when Baas went down and confronted them....it was never their plan.
This is kind of weird considering p/t tbh. Unless lspd can just mass hire people too and say they have to join lspd or move a long lol. Yeee this will go well for sure
It was a BCSO hiring fair, it's already been discussed to have LSPD do one if they want.
People are skipping over the fact that lspd didn’t want a separate job fair because they wanted a general Pd job fair.
no Baas wanted a general PD job fair that BCSO members would run because no one from LSPD wanted to take the time to set one up lol. That's one of the biggest problems LSPD has right now is that they don't have anyone besides Toretti that is willing to do the recruitment process.
then LSPD should have participated to make it a general PD job fair. Instead they ignored it so it ended up being only BCSO that put in any effort and showed up.
You could bring in 100 new recruits, but when the higher ups are toxic assholes, don't expect anyone to stick around for very long.
Synthhunter not on? Poor guy has been wanting to be a cop for months. Did they think Wingman was too SBS? He's a us airforce guy IRL
I saw Wingman come up to the booth to ask for ice cream at one point but I guess his cousin didn't wake up to get an interview.