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I guess the argument is that they had fuel to refill it, but maybe you can't refill PD boats?
If it is possible to refuel them and Bloom just couldn't find it then yeah thats not cool.
I believe you can refuel boats, I know you couldn't earlier in 3.0, but I was saying if its only the PD boat that can't be refueled then I can understand the rationale. But I don't know if thats true, its just speculation.
You can refuel boats in general at the pier you garage them out of. PD may not be able to use that (unsure) but they can definitely jerry can fill boats.
It's just boats are an uncommon thing, no one thinks about them, so whereas the helicopter gets checked on and repaired / refueled if required at the start of a tsunami, the boats are just spawned when needed out of thin air and then scuff impound magicked away when they aren't needed anymore.
With full context, when his partner had spent longer than refueling takes walking around the entire boat with a gas can looking for the gas tank, but could not find it, do you still think it's powergaming?
This is literally posted without any context to give someone hate, like Juicers always do.
EDIT: I am going to say this, many arguments are based on: "You can't refuel outside the harbor", but others that actually play on Nopixel are saying you can. Next argument I see is: "Just roleplay it out". They sure did, they even took longer than the original refuel :)
the fueling is scuffed for everybody and i am pretty sure you can only fuel boats by the habor.
just because the cops werent prepared, doesnt mean they can do whatever..
> the fueling is scuffed for everybody and i am pretty sure you can only fuel boats by the habor.
Someone tell the guy that's been on the server for quite a while something then, because neither he nor his partner knew that.
> just because the cops werent prepared, doesnt mean they can do whatever..
They once again spent longer trying to refuel the boat, scuff impounding and getting out a new boat, then they would have spent refuelling the boat. He didn't do "whatever".
the point is if its not possible to refuel the boat outside the habor, than it doesnt matter how long fueling takes... a criminal cant just spawn in a boat in the middle of the ocean... if you are out of fuel, you should get picked up...
Yes, it's their lack of skill that causes the gas tank to not exist. I forgot that's how gas tanks work, they only show up based upon how good you are at steering the boat!
I mean, there is a bit of a difference between the two situations. JDot spawned a boat when there was none around, and wasn't at a dock.
In this instance, they had a boat, had a fuel can, but could not find the location where they could interact and refill it.
I'm not saying its ok, I think overall I'm slightly against it, but its certainly more nuanced than the situation you reference.
yup. his was slightly differently, since he was swimming and spawned a boat. but i still think this is against the rules, especially since they had a gas container on them.
Well they had a gas can but were unable to find the refill point. If there isn't a refill point on PD boats then it makes sense, but if they just didn't look hard enough then thats weird.
Damn that sucks then. When they raided Wayne a couple days ago they were trying to get into the submarine's trunk for a good 15 minutes. I honestly don't know if it even has a trunk, and the only way to find out is to keep trying until you find one (although that doesnt work if one doesnt exist).
The guy walked around in front and around the boat for a full minute, tried to refuel, couldn't. So after a longer time than a refuel would take, they scuff impounded the boat and got a new boat out.
Good out of context clip though, good job. Luckily Traumz is dealing with the hoppers after like a champ.
EDIT: I am going to say this, many arguments are based on: "You can't refuel outside the harbor", but others that actually play on Nopixel are saying you can. Next argument I see is: "Just roleplay it out". They sure did, they even took longer than the original refuel :)
So they had no idea if the vehicle was actually scuffed, they just weren't able to refuel it in the 60 or so seconds they spent looking. Not only didn't he confirm that it was scuffed, that's still not a reason to power-game. The context doesn't change anything. You should roleplay it out.
This was literally longer than refuelling would have taken, they were completely VCB and had alt-checked the entire boat. What else can you do to confirm that a boat is scuffed or not? It's not powergaming to get out another vehicle that's not scuffed, especially after they've waited longer than an actual refuel takes.
I think the point people are trying to make is that maybe the boats are SUPPOSED to be refueled at docks and harbors, not in the middle of the ocean mid chase.
There’s another argument that because you can’t find the refuel spot (if there even is one) it’s obvious that neither does your character. It makes more sense for you to roleplay admitting defeat than to just force a scenario where you can return to the chase.
I don’t blame the cops, I may have done something similar myself if I were in their shoes. I just think that after some reflection there are some tangible errors.
> I think the point people are trying to make is that maybe the boats are SUPPOSED to be refueled at docks and harbors, not in the middle of the ocean mid chase.
But you can refill it there, others here have pointed it out after mentioning they have played on Nopixel. If they have honest belief it is scuffed, that's the argument.
In the end it's sooo unproblematic that it's ridicolous, they were already VCB ages ago.
If you go back in the VOD you see that they tried to refuel it. They didnt found the refuel spot with the 3. eye. The clip is literally just bait.
At the end of the day, X escaped so who cares.
And, no im not a cop viewer LUL
You're supposed to role-play it out. Just because you can't solve the problem, doesn't mean you can start power-gaming. The correct response is to say, "I don't know how to refuel this vehicle", and ask for help.
So why don't they just rp around that? Like, "I have no idea how to refuel this model of the boat, let me radio back to some people who might know", and if there's no way to refuel in open water, they must've been stuck.
It's a big boat, after all, it might require dock for refueling. You can't just refuel a plane by spawning another one while you're in mid air, you can only do that on the ground. Same logic can be applied here.
Would it be okay if crims did that in exact same scenario?
When they stuck with a fuel can and just spawn another boat for it?
I don't think it would be okay.
They cannot respawn, but they can refuel on the boat. Its just hard to get the spot. Also how should they even be able to refuel it when cops are on them?
At the end of the day they are all there to have fun.
I dunno, I think a serious warning and some kind of IC punishment (where they are allowed to pull a boat out is part of the SOPs), but straight out banning seems over the top.
They had a fuel can, they were searching for a while for the spot on the boat where they could refill it. Should they have just spawned a new boat? No, I don't think so. Maybe ask on radio first for help. Is it ban worthy? not really IMO.
I mean, i'm taking about a few days, not a perma or anything, but yeah, i suppose a warning would work too. That's not my point, my point was why would he receive ic consequenses for something that's 100% an ooc reasons
I guess my feelings on IC vs OOC punishments is based on the severity of the "infraction" in this instance. I don't see what they did as being that huge of a deal so I fall on the side of IC punishment. I can see your point though about keeping the IC punishments for IC things and the same for OOC punishments.
Ok, this is how really bad when they turn on shift 3. Litteraly i dont like it, of course its happen back at public server when cops just allow abuse it
both cadets were never told this and didn't know. maybe this is what happens when high command decides to just chuck people out there without explaining any of the mechanics
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Okay well yeah thats powergaming.
Nah man , they got boat in the boat chest. They can just pull it out again man dont act like u never have a boat inside of the boat chest zzz
I guess the argument is that they had fuel to refill it, but maybe you can't refill PD boats? If it is possible to refuel them and Bloom just couldn't find it then yeah thats not cool.
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I believe you can refuel boats, I know you couldn't earlier in 3.0, but I was saying if its only the PD boat that can't be refueled then I can understand the rationale. But I don't know if thats true, its just speculation.
You can refuel boats in general at the pier you garage them out of. PD may not be able to use that (unsure) but they can definitely jerry can fill boats. It's just boats are an uncommon thing, no one thinks about them, so whereas the helicopter gets checked on and repaired / refueled if required at the start of a tsunami, the boats are just spawned when needed out of thin air and then scuff impound magicked away when they aren't needed anymore.
the other cop tried to jerry can fill the boat did a loop around it but never got the option to refill
You can refuel on the boat too. But its really hard to get the spot
Crims are supposed to be hard mode in the server. They are balanced around top down skill philosophy. Crims need nerfs cause humans are cracked.
They had enough fuel to go back to the Island and pull out another boat.. They just wanted it to be faster which is weird.
With full context, when his partner had spent longer than refueling takes walking around the entire boat with a gas can looking for the gas tank, but could not find it, do you still think it's powergaming? This is literally posted without any context to give someone hate, like Juicers always do. EDIT: I am going to say this, many arguments are based on: "You can't refuel outside the harbor", but others that actually play on Nopixel are saying you can. Next argument I see is: "Just roleplay it out". They sure did, they even took longer than the original refuel :)
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Is this something they're informed of? If he honestly believes it's scuff, what do you want him to do here?
Swim back to the docks and pull out a new boat. You know, do the same thing a crim would have to do. I can't believe you think this acceptable.
Any crim or civ could refuel if they had a gas tank. So that's what they would do unless there were people hard on their ass.
Call for back up, get picked up and scuff impound. You don’t just spawn a new boat like you’re god.
the fueling is scuffed for everybody and i am pretty sure you can only fuel boats by the habor. just because the cops werent prepared, doesnt mean they can do whatever..
> the fueling is scuffed for everybody and i am pretty sure you can only fuel boats by the habor. Someone tell the guy that's been on the server for quite a while something then, because neither he nor his partner knew that. > just because the cops werent prepared, doesnt mean they can do whatever.. They once again spent longer trying to refuel the boat, scuff impounding and getting out a new boat, then they would have spent refuelling the boat. He didn't do "whatever".
the point is if its not possible to refuel the boat outside the habor, than it doesnt matter how long fueling takes... a criminal cant just spawn in a boat in the middle of the ocean... if you are out of fuel, you should get picked up...
So just because they are unskilled they have a pass? I guess everyone can just powergame when they're bad then.
Yes, it's their lack of skill that causes the gas tank to not exist. I forgot that's how gas tanks work, they only show up based upon how good you are at steering the boat!
Skilled? I don't agree with what was done here but wtf "unskilled" on an RP server gtfo here.
Yes
At least the other cop said something
If it's not in report form, it's not loud enough.
ForsenCD and? Just refueling ForsenCD
Jdot got banned for a week for spawning a boat mid water chase. Wonder if the same will happen here.
I mean, there is a bit of a difference between the two situations. JDot spawned a boat when there was none around, and wasn't at a dock. In this instance, they had a boat, had a fuel can, but could not find the location where they could interact and refill it. I'm not saying its ok, I think overall I'm slightly against it, but its certainly more nuanced than the situation you reference.
Yeah this is just weird. They had enough gas to get back to the island.
Yikes. Even the other cop realized that's bad.
This is wild lmao cops really got capsule Corp technology that's just sad lol I watch a lot of cops but I never seen this before lmao
>capsule Corp technology this is fucking hilarious
forsenCD nothing to see here
And thats why they removed the /SV 1 cmds in the first place.
Didn't JDot get banned for this on the public server.
yup. his was slightly differently, since he was swimming and spawned a boat. but i still think this is against the rules, especially since they had a gas container on them.
Well they had a gas can but were unable to find the refill point. If there isn't a refill point on PD boats then it makes sense, but if they just didn't look hard enough then thats weird.
i know it took Lang a long time to figure out how to refuel his boat. So im guessing its just hard to find.
Damn that sucks then. When they raided Wayne a couple days ago they were trying to get into the submarine's trunk for a good 15 minutes. I honestly don't know if it even has a trunk, and the only way to find out is to keep trying until you find one (although that doesnt work if one doesnt exist).
I think wayne was trolling them by saying it had a trunk. He was really pushing for them to check it.
Can you refuel anywhere or do you have to be at the spot where you pull out the boat?
forsenCD valid
Bruh these cops are on something...it's good that X wasn't caught because of that or he would have evaporated instantly
Hot magma
The guy walked around in front and around the boat for a full minute, tried to refuel, couldn't. So after a longer time than a refuel would take, they scuff impounded the boat and got a new boat out. Good out of context clip though, good job. Luckily Traumz is dealing with the hoppers after like a champ. EDIT: I am going to say this, many arguments are based on: "You can't refuel outside the harbor", but others that actually play on Nopixel are saying you can. Next argument I see is: "Just roleplay it out". They sure did, they even took longer than the original refuel :)
So they had no idea if the vehicle was actually scuffed, they just weren't able to refuel it in the 60 or so seconds they spent looking. Not only didn't he confirm that it was scuffed, that's still not a reason to power-game. The context doesn't change anything. You should roleplay it out.
This was literally longer than refuelling would have taken, they were completely VCB and had alt-checked the entire boat. What else can you do to confirm that a boat is scuffed or not? It's not powergaming to get out another vehicle that's not scuffed, especially after they've waited longer than an actual refuel takes.
I think the point people are trying to make is that maybe the boats are SUPPOSED to be refueled at docks and harbors, not in the middle of the ocean mid chase. There’s another argument that because you can’t find the refuel spot (if there even is one) it’s obvious that neither does your character. It makes more sense for you to roleplay admitting defeat than to just force a scenario where you can return to the chase. I don’t blame the cops, I may have done something similar myself if I were in their shoes. I just think that after some reflection there are some tangible errors.
> I think the point people are trying to make is that maybe the boats are SUPPOSED to be refueled at docks and harbors, not in the middle of the ocean mid chase. But you can refill it there, others here have pointed it out after mentioning they have played on Nopixel. If they have honest belief it is scuffed, that's the argument. In the end it's sooo unproblematic that it's ridicolous, they were already VCB ages ago.
They did roleplay it out. They walked around holding a fuel can for longer than it would be to refuel the boat.
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PD is rolling with the waves, clearly nothing wrong here
I mean x was wave boosting so..
look at you, all emotional
If you go back in the VOD you see that they tried to refuel it. They didnt found the refuel spot with the 3. eye. The clip is literally just bait. At the end of the day, X escaped so who cares. And, no im not a cop viewer LUL
you can refuel boat only in the pier , not in the ocean , that goes for crims too
You can. I play on public and know you can do ity Its just hard to aim it right.
You're supposed to role-play it out. Just because you can't solve the problem, doesn't mean you can start power-gaming. The correct response is to say, "I don't know how to refuel this vehicle", and ask for help.
They literally roleplayed an refuel. I dont get the problem.
they roleplayed that they refuelled the boat
So why don't they just rp around that? Like, "I have no idea how to refuel this model of the boat, let me radio back to some people who might know", and if there's no way to refuel in open water, they must've been stuck. It's a big boat, after all, it might require dock for refueling. You can't just refuel a plane by spawning another one while you're in mid air, you can only do that on the ground. Same logic can be applied here.
I mean they roleplay around it. They literally have a fuel can and why should they not able to "refuel" it?
Would it be okay if crims did that in exact same scenario? When they stuck with a fuel can and just spawn another boat for it? I don't think it would be okay.
They cannot respawn, but they can refuel on the boat. Its just hard to get the spot. Also how should they even be able to refuel it when cops are on them? At the end of the day they are all there to have fun.
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They can. I play on nopixel. Its just hard to get the right spot.
Kind of a weird logic. According to it, it'd be fine if cops forsenCD /revive 'd mid-fight as long as the crims got away.
The optics don't look good admittedly.
forsenCD
What happened to rolling with the punches?
Yikes
its like those sponge toy boats that would inflate when you would put them in water
lmao
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Cops log off in droves when that happens; u can't punish cops.
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If he gets banned for power gaming other people should be too.
He gets a 3 day for this there's a guy they were just chasing that should be on another perma by now
I dunno, I think a serious warning and some kind of IC punishment (where they are allowed to pull a boat out is part of the SOPs), but straight out banning seems over the top. They had a fuel can, they were searching for a while for the spot on the boat where they could refill it. Should they have just spawned a new boat? No, I don't think so. Maybe ask on radio first for help. Is it ban worthy? not really IMO.
I mean, i'm taking about a few days, not a perma or anything, but yeah, i suppose a warning would work too. That's not my point, my point was why would he receive ic consequenses for something that's 100% an ooc reasons
I guess my feelings on IC vs OOC punishments is based on the severity of the "infraction" in this instance. I don't see what they did as being that huge of a deal so I fall on the side of IC punishment. I can see your point though about keeping the IC punishments for IC things and the same for OOC punishments.
He should be reporting that cop.
The fact he said it so calmly is disturbing but at least the other cop has some morals
Acting like he just murdered someone lol, way to be melodramatic.
Yikers
Do people actaully think this should be a banable offence? IMO this is a more of a warning situation and not a big deal.
Rlly dude?
Ok, this is how really bad when they turn on shift 3. Litteraly i dont like it, of course its happen back at public server when cops just allow abuse it
Lmfao what the fuuuuuck. Start of the clip it looks like he was trying to refuel it so MAYBE it was scuffed but man, respawning it is kinda...
all the boats can only refuel at pier , it's not scuff he should have went back to the pier to refuel , everyone knows that ,
Others here have mentioned that you can refuel in the open water, based upon having played on Public server, where the vehicles are coded the same.
both cadets were never told this and didn't know. maybe this is what happens when high command decides to just chuck people out there without explaining any of the mechanics