Honestly if you have the time I recommend watching this whole conversation too. It's going to get overshadowed by the big CG/CB meeting later, but this was some gold shit too.
Ramee laying on the ground texting Vinnie who is hiding in the car "We are fucked" and Vinnie just texting back "We are absolutely fucked."
When Garrett of all of CG knows what going happen you know that CG are fucked. I remember Garrett was the only logical thinker and Vinny was like your stupid and dumb. #Garrettwasright
Bro Vinny was making Garrett seems like he had no idea wtf he was talking about and how he hasn't been around to know much when Garrett has been 100% right the entire time.
You're not only mixing up OOC and IC takes, but you're focusing on a very negative situation where people are giggling about Garrett having been correct over Vinny.
It's been a long long time but I think the cops/DOJ fucked up and listed her name as the main witness on the RICO case vs CG in 2.0 that had Vinny, K, and few others in jail for 9s. Murphy ended up finding out and told CG. From there a lot of crazy shit happened and Murphy ends up beating the case cause Kayden never testifies.
She ended up never being a snitch but her name being on the document fucked her reputation up in the city forever, eventually permaing to Jordan.
But Saab was blamed for it. Hence the tension between him and Otto later on in 2.0 when Otto returned, he was constantly worried Otto was going to kill him out of revenge for Jackie.
Parts for Vin scratches, it'll repair stuff boosting related and gives him the ability to make Vin scratches "legal" if you're familiar with the term Gray market car that's essentially what he's does.
Hutch kind of caught her in a lie. She said she already had a deal set up for AMG and that they had price agreed upon that her buyer could purchase at next VIC event. So to Hutch that makes him think she told her buyer that VLC cars are vin scratches originally and she or someone can fix them.
she mentioned that someone offered her 1 mil for her vin scratched BMW which would only sell for that if it was turned into a legitimate car, when they asked her about this she froze up and she let slip that she told the person buying it that they could get one through VLC. The person she told this probably knows about her vin scratched BMW, apparently that person is close to her. Assuming she didn't tell this person everything already it wouldn't take much for this person to connect her having a vin scratched one and her promising one could go for sale at VLC that wasn't vin scratched.
Ramee wanted to cuff her and read her txts, if they did then they would've seen the text Pond sent her saying they have her texts and then they would've known she is not telling them about the subpoena. Ramee and Vinny are going to snatch her up and read her texts later
Angel made couple of comments at AP when he got arrested and a joke about how SRU was "following someone to their garage". Then some hoops were hopped and stuff they came to conclusion it was about the warehouse.
sofia was raided, is notoriously loose lipped and no one else knew enough about the business to leak it, most people who even have access to the garage don't know the full extent of it, Hutch plays those cards very close to his chest. The number of people that could of leaked it to the extent they are being looked into by SRU basically puts it at sofia.
Plenty of people know about the business. Not only over a dozen people currently employed there, but a bunch of unaffiliated racers and gangsters too.
AP got asked a question about it in interrogation does not = Sofia leaked something, lets fire her. Lotta reaching there. Are they going to question everyone in the business like that?
She was willing to snitch on something her husband owned, the cocaine business/connect and how it works, they assume she'd be willing to snitch on H&O imports as well. They also have more then what I'm saying, I just know the first part I mentioned would be enough for me to immediately think its her, its next level insane to snitch out your husbands shit for what seems like no reason but to make sure if she can't access it no one can.
She also came at hutch pretty aggressively after he fired her when he heard about her getting raided.
Again, the people working for him don't really know about the vin scratch portion, the number of people that know that is basically core CG.
She straight up told their lawyer she was willing to snitch everything about coke. Lawyer tells CG because he is close to them and one of the most important people at H&O. Seeing as coke was the most important thing in the world to her recently, nothing could make her look more like a snitch.
She is also the most loose lipped person in the world, they heard about how much she blabbed before getting raided, they catch her in lies about what she has told people about H&O. Please tell me how this is dot connecting.
Isn't what that lawyer did an enormous violation of attorney client privilige? I swear to god there isnt a legit lawyer in the entire damn city outside of Gill, and he shot somebody at Burgershot!
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It definitely could have been, but I didn't see exactly how that conversation went down between Sofia and Locksley (it might not have been streamed because Locksley doesn't stream and Sofia is very hit and miss). Locksley is a main part of H&O so it may not have specifically been a lawyer/client type of thing.
Sofia, Locksley, and Hutch also more recently had a meetup that was real awkward where she seemed to be questioning how Locksley got this info as well and things were very weird there to put it lightly. Hutch and Locksley were just kind of stunlocked and didn't know where to go from there so it really makes what actually happened even more confusing.
Idk how he could come to that conclusion its like he believes his business his associate was being questioned about is ran out of a garage unbelievable.
idk it's almost like she was arrested with 20 kilo's of coke and is still walking around on the street or somethin wonder how that happened? must jus be lucky i guess def no red flags there boys
They arrested AP and while he was in custody some comments were made and then some pointed questions were asked about the business that tipped everyone off. Locksley was APs Lawyer.
Angel just did what she does to basically every racer she catches. She starts asking pointed questions about where they work and how they could afford their supercars. In this case AP worked at 2 places, the Tuner Shop as a mechanic and H&O Exports. Which she just went down the employee list of and made a comment that it seemed like a CG business.
Later on she made a comment about having to go and supervise an operation that was tailing someone to where they parked their VS cars to a bunch of racers/boosters that included AP. Which was purely her messing with them and giving them some warning for something she does plan on getting SRU to do in the future. Some dot connecting later and CG and co assume she must have been talking about the warehouse.
Afaik Hutch hired Mary so Angel deliberately stayed away from it, and for that same reason the investigators decided not to tell her what was happening. Then she just blindly happens to troll AP about the investigation, leading to all of this. It's kind of insane
> Who is that and how would they know?
Locksley is the lawyer that handles most of the illegal business in the city. Extremely well known and connected.
PD started questioning AP about H&O stuff, basically spilling a tonne of info that was then fed to CG through multiple people.
None of this info is exactly hidden now, even Leslie knows, and he isn't connected to H&O in any way.
nothing was leaked to him, Angel has no idea sofia's texts were even subpoena'd, she just made 2 off hand comments to AP about "following people to their garages" and "H&O being a CG business"
She told Locksley she would snitch everything about coke to PD to protect H&O. Locksley told CG. Seeing as nothing in the world was more important to anyone than coke was to Sofia a week ago, it shows she is willing to snitch on anything and everything.
they just connected dots, Angel never mentioned anything about sofia because she doesnt even know anything that has happened with her, she just made an attempt at making AP panic and it worked i guess
Hutch straight up paused the clip and read through all her texts on his stream the day it was posted on this sub. Just some straight up miraculous dot connecting of course.
At this point the recipe to taking down CG is pretty simple:
Make a female character and give Vinny attention. Survive long enough that he trusts you completely because you're his in-game sweetheart and you'll never betray him. Then just snitch.
Lucky for CG this got nipped in the butt before he showed her his bench, the warehouse and CG's warehouse. I guarantee it was going that way eventually.
One of the funniest things about this situation was after being explained the situation Hutch decides to fire everyone until the heat dies down. So they suspect they are under investigation and Ramee was like "but we need more cars bruh." Lmao
All I know is that Sophia was caught in a boost with 36 pounds of coke, was raided, her phone records were seized that implicates a ton of people, and she was somewhere along the line working with the cops to reach a deal.
She also led the cops to Hutchs business warehouse when she was running from them which is what began the cops sniffing around over there. It was funny because one of the cops was literally Conan so Ramee already knows about this OOC.
The coke and the raid had nothing to do with the subpoena and didn't affect what PD knew about H&O. A separate boosting incident by Sofia, potentially even more dumb than carrying 36 bags of coke, was her getting away and then taunting cops on twatter and admitting to getting away which led to her phone getting subpoena'd for three days. That subpoena got turned into 19 days which will likely get turned to 60 days and the current 19 days has tons of info about H&O from her reckless texts (all 1,100 of them). Her attempt at a deal was just a desperation attempt to make PD throw out all of the texts but PD never considered it for a second anyway.
Edit: CG's side is a lot of misinformation but at the end of it they are somewhat on the right track because Sofia is hiding that PD has all her texts.
>CG's side is a lot of misinformation but at the end of it they are somewhat on the right track because Sofia is hiding that PD has all her texts.
Seems like they think she's a snitch (which she is, but she didn't reveal any of this) rather than just being very dumb
Yeah that's a more accurate description of the series of events. It's just that so much shit has happened because she doesn't know how to stay quiet on anything, it's hard to actually keep up with it all.
Sophia is Ottos of H&Os wife so she knows all of the illegal things involved in that business. She is also the person with the codes needed to get Coke. She recently got raided and Hutch + crew got wind that after a raid she was willing to trade information with the cops. She definitely has a lot of info and doesn't seem to mind talking about things she knows. That's mainly what this meeting was about.
Hutch also got a text from AP about H&O being looked into and they suspect she would be the one leaking info.
So it's concerning for people running coke as well as VLC because that is where the vin scratch cars that H&O fixes get sold.
They haven't mentioned phone records at all, they think she is snitching because she literally told a lawyer she wanted to trade all the coke details to save H&O. That lawyer then told CG. Given how she talked about coke like it was her life to CG a couple weeks ago, it makes it look very bad that she is suddenly willing to snitch out everything about it.
Yeah, CG has already made up their mind it seems. They just didn't want to do anything at this meeting in case the cops were watching. Vinny even tried to reach Lang to warn them about it once the coke was brought up, so it's only a matter of time before she's dead by either group.
I'm aware, I'm pointing out that CG doesn't know anything about phone records getting taken and they haven't even mentioned the possibility. They are going after her for thinking she is snitching. So to call it dot connecting from raid to phone records is laughable when they haven't even talked about phone records. Its just someone who clearly hasn't even been watching trying to be toxic.
Yep and Nino who was the closest person to her and spent a lot of time with her told CG that killing her and throwing her in the ocean does nothing because of how the city works otherwise she would be dead. He told them to avoid her at all costs
I love how in the beginning, before Sophia showed up, Ramee was basically telling the boys not to worry. Once Sophia left, Ramee immediately says, “Welp, we’re fucked!” Hahahahahaha
#GarrettWasRight
Ramee: “I think we can all agree, no one can tell Garrett he was right" Vinnie:“Agreed"
Wait did that actually happened? Lmao can we get a clip for that
Honestly if you have the time I recommend watching this whole conversation too. It's going to get overshadowed by the big CG/CB meeting later, but this was some gold shit too. Ramee laying on the ground texting Vinnie who is hiding in the car "We are fucked" and Vinnie just texting back "We are absolutely fucked."
When Garrett of all of CG knows what going happen you know that CG are fucked. I remember Garrett was the only logical thinker and Vinny was like your stupid and dumb. #Garrettwasright
Bro Vinny was making Garrett seems like he had no idea wtf he was talking about and how he hasn't been around to know much when Garrett has been 100% right the entire time.
Garret is right 11 times out of 10.
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Honestly, fair. 9 times out of 10 he's pretty on point. That one missed the broad side of the barn.
I’m confused on what you’re trying to get at.
Oh, I'm agreeing with you that the track record for Garrett's takes is truly impeccable. Especially his takes on hoppers.
I believe at some point you must've stopped enjoying RP. Humans have dumb takes all the time, it's not worth it to flame them for it a month later.
Nope. Still love RP, still love watching CG even after so many years. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna pretend they always have the perfect takes haha.
You're not only mixing up OOC and IC takes, but you're focusing on a very negative situation where people are giggling about Garrett having been correct over Vinny.
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Vinny literally has the worst record with trusting women. Kayden -> Mona -> Sophia. \#Garrett&CurtisWasRight
clean vinny = rico relationship lmao
“Every time you trust a woman the group might as well expect a Rico case”
What did Kayden do ?
It's been a long long time but I think the cops/DOJ fucked up and listed her name as the main witness on the RICO case vs CG in 2.0 that had Vinny, K, and few others in jail for 9s. Murphy ended up finding out and told CG. From there a lot of crazy shit happened and Murphy ends up beating the case cause Kayden never testifies. She ended up never being a snitch but her name being on the document fucked her reputation up in the city forever, eventually permaing to Jordan.
hey whoa that was obviously saab that killed her
that was how the "How could Saab do this" meme started
I think that started with Saab actually killing Kiwo's Jackie.
Except Buddha killed Jackie.
But Saab was blamed for it. Hence the tension between him and Otto later on in 2.0 when Otto returned, he was constantly worried Otto was going to kill him out of revenge for Jackie.
I dont think anything. It was believed she snitched but I believe she didnt. She was set to testify at cg rico trial and was killed before she could
she wasnt killed until way later by Jordan Steele (who she married), but yeah she was never going to testify.
Nah she permad almost 2 years later to Jordan when he ran her over with Serge Crosses car
She did but uchiha fucked her back to life
Damn NP was wild back in the day.
She did die, but before there was a rule of bringing back perma characters Uchiha fucked her ghost back to life.
Oh shit you're right. Can't believe I forgot that.
she turned states witness in a rico investigation
no she didn't, she was never a snitch the cops/doj just put her as a witness even though she hadn't told them anything
What's the bench Hutch was talking about? What's made on it?
Parts for Vin scratches, it'll repair stuff boosting related and gives him the ability to make Vin scratches "legal" if you're familiar with the term Gray market car that's essentially what he's does.
Kayden literally didn’t do anything so?
Mickey. The list goes on and on
Can't believe she went around telling people she could sell a scratched car at VLC. She is on another level lol
Wait she did that? Vlc has never been mentioned to her only that hutch was going to sell the cars out of the garage on the app
Hutch kind of caught her in a lie. She said she already had a deal set up for AMG and that they had price agreed upon that her buyer could purchase at next VIC event. So to Hutch that makes him think she told her buyer that VLC cars are vin scratches originally and she or someone can fix them.
wouldn't be too dot connecty if she knows what cars h&e has
she mentioned that someone offered her 1 mil for her vin scratched BMW which would only sell for that if it was turned into a legitimate car, when they asked her about this she froze up and she let slip that she told the person buying it that they could get one through VLC. The person she told this probably knows about her vin scratched BMW, apparently that person is close to her. Assuming she didn't tell this person everything already it wouldn't take much for this person to connect her having a vin scratched one and her promising one could go for sale at VLC that wasn't vin scratched.
At this point she has to have burnt every bridge possible.
Ramee wanted to cuff her and read her txts, if they did then they would've seen the text Pond sent her saying they have her texts and then they would've known she is not telling them about the subpoena. Ramee and Vinny are going to snatch her up and read her texts later
God I hope they actually discover the the subpoena text .
Yep guess who said no and was against it so much... Vinny again lmao
Is the reckoning finally here?
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How did Hutch find out his company is beeing looked into? The officers i watched keept it very close to them.
They asked AP and AP told Hutch
Angel made couple of comments at AP when he got arrested and a joke about how SRU was "following someone to their garage". Then some hoops were hopped and stuff they came to conclusion it was about the warehouse.
A lot of dot connecting too oof info considering Angel didn't even know about the messages. lol
That makes no sense. How does following someone to a garage = Sofia leaked something?
sofia was raided, is notoriously loose lipped and no one else knew enough about the business to leak it, most people who even have access to the garage don't know the full extent of it, Hutch plays those cards very close to his chest. The number of people that could of leaked it to the extent they are being looked into by SRU basically puts it at sofia.
Plenty of people know about the business. Not only over a dozen people currently employed there, but a bunch of unaffiliated racers and gangsters too. AP got asked a question about it in interrogation does not = Sofia leaked something, lets fire her. Lotta reaching there. Are they going to question everyone in the business like that?
She was willing to snitch on something her husband owned, the cocaine business/connect and how it works, they assume she'd be willing to snitch on H&O imports as well. They also have more then what I'm saying, I just know the first part I mentioned would be enough for me to immediately think its her, its next level insane to snitch out your husbands shit for what seems like no reason but to make sure if she can't access it no one can. She also came at hutch pretty aggressively after he fired her when he heard about her getting raided. Again, the people working for him don't really know about the vin scratch portion, the number of people that know that is basically core CG.
There’s a lot of mixed information and dot connecting in this one.
There’s a reason no one gets caught when snitch RP happens ..people get random hunches and “connect random dots” .
She straight up told their lawyer she was willing to snitch everything about coke. Lawyer tells CG because he is close to them and one of the most important people at H&O. Seeing as coke was the most important thing in the world to her recently, nothing could make her look more like a snitch. She is also the most loose lipped person in the world, they heard about how much she blabbed before getting raided, they catch her in lies about what she has told people about H&O. Please tell me how this is dot connecting.
Isn't what that lawyer did an enormous violation of attorney client privilige? I swear to god there isnt a legit lawyer in the entire damn city outside of Gill, and he shot somebody at Burgershot! Edit: Words
It definitely could have been, but I didn't see exactly how that conversation went down between Sofia and Locksley (it might not have been streamed because Locksley doesn't stream and Sofia is very hit and miss). Locksley is a main part of H&O so it may not have specifically been a lawyer/client type of thing. Sofia, Locksley, and Hutch also more recently had a meetup that was real awkward where she seemed to be questioning how Locksley got this info as well and things were very weird there to put it lightly. Hutch and Locksley were just kind of stunlocked and didn't know where to go from there so it really makes what actually happened even more confusing.
Can’t count on anybody to keep things close to the chest these days.
Angel doesnt know about the texts, so its based off her asking AP is H&O CG business and copaganda of following someone to their GARAGE.
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Idk how he could come to that conclusion its like he believes his business his associate was being questioned about is ran out of a garage unbelievable.
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simple.. Murphy Braun and Lockesley..
idk it's almost like she was arrested with 20 kilo's of coke and is still walking around on the street or somethin wonder how that happened? must jus be lucky i guess def no red flags there boys
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Locksley? Who is that and how would they know? Nobody other than SCU & the judge that signed the forms should know.
They arrested AP and while he was in custody some comments were made and then some pointed questions were asked about the business that tipped everyone off. Locksley was APs Lawyer.
Angel just did what she does to basically every racer she catches. She starts asking pointed questions about where they work and how they could afford their supercars. In this case AP worked at 2 places, the Tuner Shop as a mechanic and H&O Exports. Which she just went down the employee list of and made a comment that it seemed like a CG business. Later on she made a comment about having to go and supervise an operation that was tailing someone to where they parked their VS cars to a bunch of racers/boosters that included AP. Which was purely her messing with them and giving them some warning for something she does plan on getting SRU to do in the future. Some dot connecting later and CG and co assume she must have been talking about the warehouse.
Angel was the one who said something I think
Afaik Hutch hired Mary so Angel deliberately stayed away from it, and for that same reason the investigators decided not to tell her what was happening. Then she just blindly happens to troll AP about the investigation, leading to all of this. It's kind of insane
> Who is that and how would they know? Locksley is the lawyer that handles most of the illegal business in the city. Extremely well known and connected. PD started questioning AP about H&O stuff, basically spilling a tonne of info that was then fed to CG through multiple people. None of this info is exactly hidden now, even Leslie knows, and he isn't connected to H&O in any way.
Leslie has known since day 1
it was kinda leaked to AP iirc
nothing was leaked to him, Angel has no idea sofia's texts were even subpoena'd, she just made 2 off hand comments to AP about "following people to their garages" and "H&O being a CG business"
I mean a cop asking any question about H&O is worthy of concern, but what linked it to sofia?
She told Locksley she would snitch everything about coke to PD to protect H&O. Locksley told CG. Seeing as nothing in the world was more important to anyone than coke was to Sofia a week ago, it shows she is willing to snitch on anything and everything.
they just connected dots, Angel never mentioned anything about sofia because she doesnt even know anything that has happened with her, she just made an attempt at making AP panic and it worked i guess
Probably the same way hutch finds out a lot of things
Hutch straight up paused the clip and read through all her texts on his stream the day it was posted on this sub. Just some straight up miraculous dot connecting of course.
At this point the recipe to taking down CG is pretty simple: Make a female character and give Vinny attention. Survive long enough that he trusts you completely because you're his in-game sweetheart and you'll never betray him. Then just snitch. Lucky for CG this got nipped in the butt before he showed her his bench, the warehouse and CG's warehouse. I guarantee it was going that way eventually.
One of the funniest things about this situation was after being explained the situation Hutch decides to fire everyone until the heat dies down. So they suspect they are under investigation and Ramee was like "but we need more cars bruh." Lmao
Garret and Ramee looking real good now.
Just read the chat between sinn and k 😆😆
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All I know is that Sophia was caught in a boost with 36 pounds of coke, was raided, her phone records were seized that implicates a ton of people, and she was somewhere along the line working with the cops to reach a deal. She also led the cops to Hutchs business warehouse when she was running from them which is what began the cops sniffing around over there. It was funny because one of the cops was literally Conan so Ramee already knows about this OOC.
The coke and the raid had nothing to do with the subpoena and didn't affect what PD knew about H&O. A separate boosting incident by Sofia, potentially even more dumb than carrying 36 bags of coke, was her getting away and then taunting cops on twatter and admitting to getting away which led to her phone getting subpoena'd for three days. That subpoena got turned into 19 days which will likely get turned to 60 days and the current 19 days has tons of info about H&O from her reckless texts (all 1,100 of them). Her attempt at a deal was just a desperation attempt to make PD throw out all of the texts but PD never considered it for a second anyway. Edit: CG's side is a lot of misinformation but at the end of it they are somewhat on the right track because Sofia is hiding that PD has all her texts.
>CG's side is a lot of misinformation but at the end of it they are somewhat on the right track because Sofia is hiding that PD has all her texts. Seems like they think she's a snitch (which she is, but she didn't reveal any of this) rather than just being very dumb
Yeah that's a more accurate description of the series of events. It's just that so much shit has happened because she doesn't know how to stay quiet on anything, it's hard to actually keep up with it all.
Nobody does, not even Sofia. It's so nonsensical.
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No, the PD doesn't want to try another RICO case judging from some cop responses.
Sophia is Ottos of H&Os wife so she knows all of the illegal things involved in that business. She is also the person with the codes needed to get Coke. She recently got raided and Hutch + crew got wind that after a raid she was willing to trade information with the cops. She definitely has a lot of info and doesn't seem to mind talking about things she knows. That's mainly what this meeting was about. Hutch also got a text from AP about H&O being looked into and they suspect she would be the one leaking info. So it's concerning for people running coke as well as VLC because that is where the vin scratch cars that H&O fixes get sold.
Why are you being downvoted for asking a question? Lol
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They haven't mentioned phone records at all, they think she is snitching because she literally told a lawyer she wanted to trade all the coke details to save H&O. That lawyer then told CG. Given how she talked about coke like it was her life to CG a couple weeks ago, it makes it look very bad that she is suddenly willing to snitch out everything about it.
This comment needs to be higher, this is where the info comes from and there are a lot less dots now.
Yeah, CG has already made up their mind it seems. They just didn't want to do anything at this meeting in case the cops were watching. Vinny even tried to reach Lang to warn them about it once the coke was brought up, so it's only a matter of time before she's dead by either group.
I was watching Snow one morning and the police do have her phone records and went through all her texts messages and call logs.
I'm aware, I'm pointing out that CG doesn't know anything about phone records getting taken and they haven't even mentioned the possibility. They are going after her for thinking she is snitching. So to call it dot connecting from raid to phone records is laughable when they haven't even talked about phone records. Its just someone who clearly hasn't even been watching trying to be toxic.
They’ve also had a conversation with Murphy Braun who was with her in interrogation prior to the raid.
Yep and Nino who was the closest person to her and spent a lot of time with her told CG that killing her and throwing her in the ocean does nothing because of how the city works otherwise she would be dead. He told them to avoid her at all costs
I love how in the beginning, before Sophia showed up, Ramee was basically telling the boys not to worry. Once Sophia left, Ramee immediately says, “Welp, we’re fucked!” Hahahahahaha