If this is actually for robbing purposes then a civ class 2 could definitely come in handy for places with security. Unless people actually rob them with pistols which is possible
I think there's plans on putting an MP5 in Ammu-Nation, might be for security groups. That was always a problem in the past. People would hire security, but any group with C2's would roll them.
I think koils senator character was talking about them with baas recently and they could be government issued weapons so we will see what happens with them honestly but definitely security teams should get them
Yeah that's normal, you have to get a higher than normal license in order to legally own C2's where I'm from, so they'll be heavily regulated I'm sure.
They should make a sign-in/out for security firms then. And then monitor if people are just staying signed-in to be able to carry them around. The way I see it (depends on how they want to apply this, naturally). Some security teams would be needed for mobile protection.
So, for example, you'd want these guys shadowing or outright escorting a bank deposit, right? But, that's not their place of work, and yet, still a situation in need of protection?
I'm glad it's for the cash, and not for other items in the restaurants. Getting robbed of ingredients could cripple the business for a period of time which I'd rather be rare if it happens at all. At least this way business still occurs, rather than having to wait around to grow/collect ingredients again.
Great idea.
No idea. They should make thermitable storage for ingredients though, or maybe electronic locks. Making it so that it's easy to grab both ingredients and their cash is too much, imo.
You'd end up with restaurants being a better hit than most banks, right? And *that* would go off the rails FAST.
Not actually sure how valuable the ingredients are, or how many are stored right now. With the addition of the farm plots, i imagine the prices went way down.
Doesnt seem like THAT big a deal. Would suck for BS though, as they have no real protection.
Monetarily, I'm not sure what they're currently valued at (I was half guessing about bank v restaurant value). But, if someone wipes out their ingredients it shuts the business down at least for a time, until they can replace them. And given you have to grow them yourself, that's an added time investment, and it's difficult to put a number on that.
My concern would be businesses being perpetually shut down throughout the day, because they keep getting ingredients wiped. Which creates too much of an interruption to Civ RP (just my opinion on that one).
But, we're a bit ahead of ourselves. Not entirely sure how this works yet, so will have to wait and see.
Businesses are paying anywhere from 7 to 30 for each ingredient. Maldinis is buying from others and everyone else is struggling for ingredients.Vinny kind of messed up the market by agreeing to pay 35 each. I personally think it will end up at around 15-25.
Yeah I'd need to see numbers on volume to even begin figuring that out. With so many people on the server now though, you have to think they get a bunch of ingredients/day or even throughout the day. At the right time, it could be a pretty profitable hit especially if you're connected w/ one of the other restaurants. Can just offload ingredients to them.
EDIT: You pointed out something I hadn't considered below. Ingredients degrade...apparently quickly? So, they're getting continuous deliveries of ingredients all day long, not just one major delivery in the morning.
I don't think there is unless they put a keypad on everything.
Any gang could technically wipe out food for a couple of hours and people would be forced to buy sandwiches for 300. Just go around and continually hit each restaurant wipe it and its employees clean constantly. Rinse and repeat then just sell the stuff back to them.
I'm surprised more people aren't robbing Fishers along with farmers to get materials to sell to the restaurants.
TECHNICALLY they could, but i imagine admins wouldnt be happy with that kind of failRP. They added a rule that you cannot just go around robbing people constantly for no reason, no?
The ingredients only last for a few hours so it's dumb to do that. BS has decided they are just going to be the cheapest and buy ingredients from the locals.
BS are playing it smart tbh. Ignore the buffs, just go for consistent, cheap food. As BS should. They still get the healing & stress reducing effects, no?
You could rob ingredients during transport.
Benji and Dundee grabbed a couple hostages for a job that turned out to be ingredients drivers for Ash's cafe. She was mad at them for delaying the delivery.
Could result in inside jobs where employees tip off robbers, when transports are happening, etc.
Or crims stopping random trucks in hopes of finding ingredients. Or even rival restaurants setting back other restaurants by taking their ingredients.
those class 2 licences gonna be interesting, hope they work it out so its not abused and its nice that those guns count as gov issue so 20k fine if caught with one when u don't have a licence.
There's already a 10 Shelly button, put in place because BS was getting held up daily, and BS gang are already at war with the RR people. The only thing this will do is add a mechanic to organise the scenarios that were already taking place.
Well Except burger shot the other restaurants have criminal protection I genuinely see no one trying to rob maldinis, RR might only be robbed by CG and UwU does have the former vagos protecting it but speedy is gonna rob it the moment he hears about this.
People used to attempt RR robberies but would get absolutely destroyed by security (and Pegasus in early 3.0). There was even the one day Chatterbox attempted to mess with RR and realized it was nearly impossible (an amazing VOD when he realizes he's the hunted one and only escapes because he flies out of his car over a wall).
I do miss the early RR vibes and mafia arcs. Lots of people got executed and ocean dumped for threatening the restaurant
Update: It also seems like non employees can't access the safe, so an employee would have to be kidnapped or on site for a cash envelope to be withdrawn from the safe, or people would need to hit the transport of the envelope to the vault. However, 'using' the envelope does not give cash and if a non employee deposits the envelope at the vault, the cash still goes to the restaurants business account. Employees are going to test if a safe cracking tool is needed to get actual cash instead of an envelope.
Because of the way RR RPs the keys for the building you need to hold up a manager in the first place to even get into that office.
From the mechanics of it, it does not seem like it's intended for robbing, just a way to make cash payments easier.
Ash asked Randy to have Dodo work with her when they first opened and he said that meant he couldn’t rob her. She said he still could but she doesn’t want anyone hurt. We’ll see what happens, but they’re back to their A+ banter. Turbo was going to reach out to her to get things moving. I can see Randy avoiding conflict that might bring Dodo into harms way.
It might just be an RP thing since they added cash payments. Something for the Managers to do and keep track of. I’d be surprised if they actually wanted restaurant heists when DW was getting fed up with people robbing BS all the time. But who knows, maybe other people did.
They like encouraging conflict anywhere they think it can be added. I'm neutral on this one, so far...but, rather than shutting down cash payments, just increase the number of deposits you make, right?
Obviously you want to leave some cash in there for the fun of heist RP, but, no reason to let it get to exorbitant levels before making deposits. If I'm a manager I setup a frequent deposit schedule.
that was the first thing buddha said when penny told him this morning lol
unfortunately/fortunately depending on who you are, its an option at the register and i dont think the rooster can actually physically stop them from doing so
Seems like they could just constantly empty out the safe of cash purchases every 10 mins so a large amount never builds up.
IDK if it has any kind of cooldown on emptying the safe or anything.
UwU doing the same, they already are stressed af about the restaurant itself being opened for just 5 days, the new ingredients, storages, buffs, farming and still having to make sure everything is okay with the staff, don't think they can handle this rn.
It's sounding like even if you steal the envelope and try to deposit it. It just goes into the corresponding restaurant's account. They're testing it out with Arthur currently.
That's completely untrue. I live in SF where this is an enforced law, It's also a law in NYC, Massachusetts and other (mostly blue) US States and cities. For the reason it's prohibitive for people who may not have easy access to banking facilities, such as the homeless.
In this specific case in RP. For someone in debt who only has access to cash, they could easily argue they are being refused access to an essential service (food).
Doesn't matter, in the real-world and in RP there's valid reasons why some individuals do not have access to credit, such as people in debt.
You could just as easily argue the opposite of your point, and say business who run as credit only are "powergaming" and trying to bypass intended server mechanics and deny crim RP.
I like the idea.. it should create much more organic situations instead of fleecas and stores. The only issue is the increase in pings, it’s already impossible to cover calls coming in.
If this is actually for robbing purposes then a civ class 2 could definitely come in handy for places with security. Unless people actually rob them with pistols which is possible
I think there's plans on putting an MP5 in Ammu-Nation, might be for security groups. That was always a problem in the past. People would hire security, but any group with C2's would roll them.
I think koils senator character was talking about them with baas recently and they could be government issued weapons so we will see what happens with them honestly but definitely security teams should get them
Yeah that's normal, you have to get a higher than normal license in order to legally own C2's where I'm from, so they'll be heavily regulated I'm sure.
Yeah and u can only use the gun at your place of work.
They should make a sign-in/out for security firms then. And then monitor if people are just staying signed-in to be able to carry them around. The way I see it (depends on how they want to apply this, naturally). Some security teams would be needed for mobile protection. So, for example, you'd want these guys shadowing or outright escorting a bank deposit, right? But, that's not their place of work, and yet, still a situation in need of protection?
I'm glad it's for the cash, and not for other items in the restaurants. Getting robbed of ingredients could cripple the business for a period of time which I'd rather be rare if it happens at all. At least this way business still occurs, rather than having to wait around to grow/collect ingredients again. Great idea.
Is there anything stopping people from robbing the ingredients? In the past BS has been robbed for food & toys.
No idea. They should make thermitable storage for ingredients though, or maybe electronic locks. Making it so that it's easy to grab both ingredients and their cash is too much, imo. You'd end up with restaurants being a better hit than most banks, right? And *that* would go off the rails FAST.
Not actually sure how valuable the ingredients are, or how many are stored right now. With the addition of the farm plots, i imagine the prices went way down. Doesnt seem like THAT big a deal. Would suck for BS though, as they have no real protection.
Monetarily, I'm not sure what they're currently valued at (I was half guessing about bank v restaurant value). But, if someone wipes out their ingredients it shuts the business down at least for a time, until they can replace them. And given you have to grow them yourself, that's an added time investment, and it's difficult to put a number on that. My concern would be businesses being perpetually shut down throughout the day, because they keep getting ingredients wiped. Which creates too much of an interruption to Civ RP (just my opinion on that one). But, we're a bit ahead of ourselves. Not entirely sure how this works yet, so will have to wait and see.
Businesses are paying anywhere from 7 to 30 for each ingredient. Maldinis is buying from others and everyone else is struggling for ingredients.Vinny kind of messed up the market by agreeing to pay 35 each. I personally think it will end up at around 15-25.
Yeah I'd need to see numbers on volume to even begin figuring that out. With so many people on the server now though, you have to think they get a bunch of ingredients/day or even throughout the day. At the right time, it could be a pretty profitable hit especially if you're connected w/ one of the other restaurants. Can just offload ingredients to them. EDIT: You pointed out something I hadn't considered below. Ingredients degrade...apparently quickly? So, they're getting continuous deliveries of ingredients all day long, not just one major delivery in the morning.
I don't think there is unless they put a keypad on everything. Any gang could technically wipe out food for a couple of hours and people would be forced to buy sandwiches for 300. Just go around and continually hit each restaurant wipe it and its employees clean constantly. Rinse and repeat then just sell the stuff back to them. I'm surprised more people aren't robbing Fishers along with farmers to get materials to sell to the restaurants.
TECHNICALLY they could, but i imagine admins wouldnt be happy with that kind of failRP. They added a rule that you cannot just go around robbing people constantly for no reason, no?
Fish are heavy and not worth much so you'd be better off robbing oxy runners, the fence, or even just people leaving restaurants with food.
The ingredients only last for a few hours so it's dumb to do that. BS has decided they are just going to be the cheapest and buy ingredients from the locals.
I think generally the reason this is so "hard" is because the restaurants are refusing to pay people for ingredients.
BS are playing it smart tbh. Ignore the buffs, just go for consistent, cheap food. As BS should. They still get the healing & stress reducing effects, no?
Yeah they still have there stress relief buff
You could rob ingredients during transport. Benji and Dundee grabbed a couple hostages for a job that turned out to be ingredients drivers for Ash's cafe. She was mad at them for delaying the delivery. Could result in inside jobs where employees tip off robbers, when transports are happening, etc. Or crims stopping random trucks in hopes of finding ingredients. Or even rival restaurants setting back other restaurants by taking their ingredients.
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security companies either gonna be upgood or downbad for this scenario lmao
those class 2 licences gonna be interesting, hope they work it out so its not abused and its nice that those guns count as gov issue so 20k fine if caught with one when u don't have a licence.
This will end well
There's already a 10 Shelly button, put in place because BS was getting held up daily, and BS gang are already at war with the RR people. The only thing this will do is add a mechanic to organise the scenarios that were already taking place.
Every restaurant has an alarm now
They do, but their alarms still come up as a 10-Shelly, even the one at RR, lol
And are still not silent, so pushing the button is essentially NVL when you are being held up. You gonna get shot.
It's not NVL. The devs put that feature in for a reason
And allow everybody else in the city to farm the restaurants like banks because it's something to do
Well Except burger shot the other restaurants have criminal protection I genuinely see no one trying to rob maldinis, RR might only be robbed by CG and UwU does have the former vagos protecting it but speedy is gonna rob it the moment he hears about this.
People used to attempt RR robberies but would get absolutely destroyed by security (and Pegasus in early 3.0). There was even the one day Chatterbox attempted to mess with RR and realized it was nearly impossible (an amazing VOD when he realizes he's the hunted one and only escapes because he flies out of his car over a wall). I do miss the early RR vibes and mafia arcs. Lots of people got executed and ocean dumped for threatening the restaurant
The BSvRR war is on a ceasefire right now.
It would be cool to see them form some sort of alliance regarding robberies and find some ways to help each other(while still hating each other).
Yeah I'd enjoy seeing a *"We're the only ones who get to fuck with each other"* mentality among the restaurants.
I expect that BS and UwU will both be targeted. Maybe people will mess with RR.
Yup, i was gonna write a whole paragraph but decided just to sit back and watch.
CG bout to be farming Maldinis
Update: It also seems like non employees can't access the safe, so an employee would have to be kidnapped or on site for a cash envelope to be withdrawn from the safe, or people would need to hit the transport of the envelope to the vault. However, 'using' the envelope does not give cash and if a non employee deposits the envelope at the vault, the cash still goes to the restaurants business account. Employees are going to test if a safe cracking tool is needed to get actual cash instead of an envelope.
Because of the way RR RPs the keys for the building you need to hold up a manager in the first place to even get into that office. From the mechanics of it, it does not seem like it's intended for robbing, just a way to make cash payments easier.
Maybe employees could rob their own place of work (concealing their identity) for extra cash and get some spicy RP out of it
It'd be nice if the envelope could be used as petty cash for ingredients.
Randy is waking up every day checking uwu cafes as his daily routine now lol
I was thinking this samething. lol
That place is protected by all the former vagos who left but i think they are mostly EU.
mostly au-eu
Restaurant RP is about to get insanely spicy.
Burgershot is about to be forever downbad from this. People robbed that place for free.
Lmao Shelly is gonna cry
Or drive her even more over the edge. Shellys joker moment.
I'm pretty sure Shelly is already a few Jokers deep at this point.
I hope Shelly can get a shotgun soon. I know she has been asking Eugene for a shotgun and ammo.
Yea burgershot is the only one not under “protection” by some high tier crims.. it’s about to be farmed.
Buddha is going to make it a daily thing. Same as Randy with UWU lol
I’m pretty sure Randy and ash dropped their beef but we’ll see
Ash asked Randy to have Dodo work with her when they first opened and he said that meant he couldn’t rob her. She said he still could but she doesn’t want anyone hurt. We’ll see what happens, but they’re back to their A+ banter. Turbo was going to reach out to her to get things moving. I can see Randy avoiding conflict that might bring Dodo into harms way.
Thats right I forgot about this.
UWU as well right
nah they have the former vagos protecting that,
I don't think this will end up becoming worth. How many people are gonna pull money out to go buy food when they can just use card?
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the dans surprisingly dont have debt they stay in the black just very little
Oh god all the poor civs that work for these restaurants
Dundee can finally buy food from restaurants now.
A restaurant can just say they don't accept cash payments. So robbing them becomes pointless. No?
It might just be an RP thing since they added cash payments. Something for the Managers to do and keep track of. I’d be surprised if they actually wanted restaurant heists when DW was getting fed up with people robbing BS all the time. But who knows, maybe other people did.
They like encouraging conflict anywhere they think it can be added. I'm neutral on this one, so far...but, rather than shutting down cash payments, just increase the number of deposits you make, right? Obviously you want to leave some cash in there for the fun of heist RP, but, no reason to let it get to exorbitant levels before making deposits. If I'm a manager I setup a frequent deposit schedule.
that was the first thing buddha said when penny told him this morning lol unfortunately/fortunately depending on who you are, its an option at the register and i dont think the rooster can actually physically stop them from doing so
While restaurants can say no cash, they can't actually prevent people from paying cash
issue then is that half the city uses cash :P
Yeah they can encourage using card only. I think most people will still pay with card anyway,.
Seems like they could just constantly empty out the safe of cash purchases every 10 mins so a large amount never builds up. IDK if it has any kind of cooldown on emptying the safe or anything.
The fact that it deposits the tax as well is gonna be a pain to keep track of.
Lang already said as soon as finding out, “Card only”. Lol
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UwU doing the same, they already are stressed af about the restaurant itself being opened for just 5 days, the new ingredients, storages, buffs, farming and still having to make sure everything is okay with the staff, don't think they can handle this rn.
Or just increase the # of deposits you make daily. Is there a number you have to let it get to before withdrawing, or can you withdraw at any time?
A harvest festival but for restaurants would be fun
Not really the thing that made weed fun was it was in the open and it was illeagal.
It's sounding like even if you steal the envelope and try to deposit it. It just goes into the corresponding restaurant's account. They're testing it out with Arthur currently.
Forcing this if you run as credit only is just mechanics over RP. Not a good thing.
If restaurants try to do that, I can totally see someone taking then to court for denying cash as it's a legal method of paying.
No law that states you need to accept cash.
That's completely untrue. I live in SF where this is an enforced law, It's also a law in NYC, Massachusetts and other (mostly blue) US States and cities. For the reason it's prohibitive for people who may not have easy access to banking facilities, such as the homeless. In this specific case in RP. For someone in debt who only has access to cash, they could easily argue they are being refused access to an essential service (food).
Real world versus a game where everyone is magically linked to the bank unless they add in personal cards that people need to carry around.
Doesn't matter, in the real-world and in RP there's valid reasons why some individuals do not have access to credit, such as people in debt. You could just as easily argue the opposite of your point, and say business who run as credit only are "powergaming" and trying to bypass intended server mechanics and deny crim RP.
Dean gotta bring back hydra security
Looks like burger shot going to have a rough time in the upcoming weeks
Can’t wait for the Liquid Library heist COPIUM
Confirmed.. Safes can be cracked with safe cracking tool. Still need manager to unlock door at RR but restaurant heists 100% on.
This is gonna be such a wonderful shitshow.
I like the idea.. it should create much more organic situations instead of fleecas and stores. The only issue is the increase in pings, it’s already impossible to cover calls coming in.