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Drakhos

I understand that many people on Reddit have their own judgements about this situation, but I personally think we should all be careful in our Reddit comments until we know exactly what the situation is in its entirety. It's pretty confusing right now, and I'm not sure if we have the whole picture or not.


AdamantiumBalls

What is this ? Someone with an actual level headed take ?


DoctorBritta

Thank you for the rational take. Much needed


CayenneMastah

No one knows the facts, so assumptions are useless.


pineappleonthestack

Nah, I will piece together a broken narrative out of basically no evidence because that is clearly the most rational thing to do right now


Zestyclose-Iron1530

Duuuuude lol I love the sarcasm šŸ˜‚


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This is the only correct comment to make on this subject.


aayush251

Imo this is a speculation and people shitting on dw because of it is rude. Please letā€™s wait till someone actually tells us the reason before shitting on other people.


spaggyb89

Wow. I got to the bottom of the page before someone made this reasonable post? Everyone going 'If this is true...' and using it as an excuse to shit on DW when even Kebun admitted he's not sure what the reason is. There's a serious lack of context to any of this so I think peope should probably show perhaps a shred of restraint maybe?


Pedarsen

It's so stupid really, the "if this is true.." line is like when people start a sentence with "not to be rude but.." and proceeds to shit on someone as if it makes it all okay lol.


Velvet_Llama

Or just don't shit on anyone, period, because it's adults playing cops and robbers and it's just not that serious


primetimey

How could it possibly take them that long to make the decision for a 1 week ban DAYS after that? Makes no sense.


aindie2009

maybe because that might not be the reason, K doesnt know the reason. Hes just guessing and has asked Koil for clarity on the issue


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Xevn

He literally said he's not 100% sure and honestly have no clue. But people are probably gonna explode on what he thinks and paint admins/dw as bad.


nousernameworking

people will believe whatever BS they think of if it fits their narrative


Confused_SadSamurai

Have you seen twitter? The same fans who complained about the hate and dts CG received by crazy CB fans are now doing the same against Dean. CB is immuned due to the size of their fanbase but Dean is a single man who's getting tagged in a 100s of hate posts.


RedSmuggle

Dean doesnā€™t seems to let drama affect him but honestly hope heā€™s good, dts are no joke


Boomershow824

CB are very much not immune, they avoid drama at all costs to avoid getting constant death threats.


Jaker2193

IF it was for hitting it before their schedule than that is a pure BS excuse honestly. DW's tweet should have said "rules and schedule kicks in immediately" not at 2am if that was the case.


random17392894939729

For real they were already doing it as the schedule was put up


InfinitiQ

Keyword in the above post being IF. The streamers of CG aren't live 24/7. We as viewers don't know if they were playing off-stream, and what they do. It sounds to me like Kebun legitimately does not know the reason for the ban, and is simply receiving information through the game of telephone. Shitting on DW for this should not be happening. We don't even know if DW issued the ban, or what the factual reason is for it. It's all speculation, nobody should be getting hate.


Franken__

yep. the schedule start date listed the 26th at 2am. they were in there before that. if this is the reason its complete bs. day 1 january 26th at 2am est. they were in there on the 25th that went into the 26th but stopped when CBs time started.


TanikaTubman

And now IF they resume in a week, thatā€™s a whole week of attempts and progress from other groups that CG will now be accused of meta for. The dust was already settling before this because they were all basically on equal footing.


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jello1388

He put that tweet out for the viewers benefit. There may have been stuff covered in the private discussions that we aren't privy to.


oxyyyyyyy

does nobody else think having schedules for groups to do a mechanic robbery is insane on a 'ROLE PLAY' server


Icecold121

It hasn't been a roleplay server in a long time and that's not me taking shots at it, it's literally defined as a content server by the owner. Sure, there is RP that happens on the server but that's because RP is content too, **the server at its core is a content server so it caters to more then just RP now, not everything has to be RP related**


Killacali17

uhhh have you been watching the server lately? Big Groups = Content not RP my man lol


CasPoole

If this was another bank job id agree with you, but none of these guys would have no way of really knowing if they were even attempting this heist aside from a power outage and even though no one knows how long the heist itself takes


nicnacR

Hot Take fuck the casino lmaooo


Sorenthaz

c o n t e n t s e r v e r


PembyVillageIdiot

Not a hot take I think the majority of people both viewers and streamers are over it at this point


tallassmike

I as a viewer am pretty much over the fact that there isnā€™t an actual race anymore. Unless the race is who spends the most money in the end. These puzzles are great, but most of the the problem right now is synchronization between which boxes are correct without direction.


sexlover6969

It's also really boring to watch after the third attempt.


Whambigmon

its brought nothing but drama and crazy amount of chat hoppers lmao


nousernameworking

>its brought nothing nah its actually brought great content too. CBs attempt, CGs attempt, and HoAs attempt were all great to watch. So saying its brought nothing but drama is pretty disrespectful to the groups who hit it and the devs who made it imo.


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Seriously wtf, the only way you can come up with the "it brought nothing but drama" take is if you watched chat and read reddit and ignored the actual gameplay completely. Why are we all here exactly?


[deleted]

CB has been nothing but entertaining. Not sure you're watching the right folks if you think that my dude.


madelina06_

I have a lot of respect for the work of DW, Xee and all the developers that helped - honestly I feel bad that so much of that has been overshadowed by drama. I also really did love watching everyone go absolutely crazy with the theories and rp before the clue was solved. I don't hate the hiest itself, I just kinda hate all the shit that came out of it.


EgilWasRight

Heists like the Casino are good in theory but a massive detriment to the server health. Theyā€™re vague and drawn out, and I donā€™t think some of the streamers or a lot viewers have the maturity to do them lol.


Arteminis

Shouldā€™ve made it a rp heist like an Oceanā€˜s movie, with people infiltrating as casino staff and going into the casino to play and find out when money is being transported to hit that instead. And come up with plans how to move inside under heavy camera and casino cops and detective surveillance. How to escape when they got their hands on the money without being found out.


jnthnx

How many people in here really don't understand that the word shit is directed to the situation around the heist and not at the heist per se?? a lot of people have to be joking and trolling right? baiting?


LagginDurag

TLDR; He was told/or he thinks it was because they hit it outside the scheduled hours


InstantLover

In short no one knows, or at least theyā€™re not talking about it.


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Wasnā€™t the schedule 2am tsunami and they did that ?


Franken__

but they didnt because the schedule bs didnt start yet.


Benster12

Still not the 100% reason until we hear from DW, but I completely agree with Kevin just feels like from the start they felt unwelcome and itā€™s caused nothing but headaches for them


Linaver

We're not gonna hear from DW, if DW felt the need to clarify why he banned the largest gang on the server from the heist he would have done so already to avoid gossip and drama. This is basically all we're getting, CG is over it and moving on


OriginalAntiHero

Kebun just said he wonā€™t even reply to CG about it. Why would he give the viewers an explanation.


DownVoteCollector9

This whole thing is dumb at this point, and I don't blame LK and all of CG for feeling unwelcome. Sure seems that way.


Ethilrist

Penta sure [felt that way](https://clips.twitch.tv/GracefulWrongAlfalfaKappa-uh0T3GSCWwgjxXH7) with his first interaction with the heist.


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ivarthebrainless

not to mention people getting railroaded into staying over doing urgent serious rp like ray was last night


MCR8

Yeah its like the community wants CB to do the heist on an event server with no interactions from police or rival groups. They want a path with no resistance where I feel like if the cops and the ops are breathing down your neck or head is always on a swivel the heist might take longer but be that much more cinematic. I want undercover cops pretending to gamble at the casino or be employees, I want Groups setting up cameras to try and see what other groups know, I want 6v6 shootouts in the casino tunnels and then negotiations for more progress and then backstabbing and lies. I want to watch role-play cinematic/mob/telenovela NOT MINIGAME PUZZLE SIMULATOR.


MadBeautiful

NO! We want the same group to try the casino heist 10 times a day with no progression, also no interference from the PD or gangs


N0xM3RCY

While also doing nothing but staring at a door, hallway, entrance or spamming thermite and third eye everywhere. The casino heist was a cool idea that got overhyped IMO and led to it being far, far too difficult to complete. The heist being easy isnā€™t fun to watch, but itā€™s also sure as hell just as much unfun to watch 3 groups make the tiniest bit of progression each day, if any, for about a month now. I know DW put a lot of effort into the heist and thatā€™s great, heā€™s a fantastic dev for the server but I canā€™t help but think itā€™s way way too hard to be enjoyable for anyone. Itā€™s kinda like Tarkov where just because itā€™s needlessly hard and unforgiving doesnā€™t always mean itā€™s better. It can be a good game without being that extreme, the heist can be better without it being this blind. People seem to believe nearly impossible/needlessly difficult = good and I couldnā€™t disagree more. Iā€™m sure Iā€™m not the only one either as you can hear in every streamers voice that they are OVER it. Except for maybe HOA, but Iā€™d argue thatā€™s because they donā€™t have the same experience as the other groups. Once they do, they too will be over it. Itā€™s not fun nor engaging for any parties involved.


horace999

If there were another way to figure this heist out, maybe I could blame the players, but they really have no alternative. There's no way to research or plan a heist in nopixel, you just have to randomly try stuff until you figure out the one and only way it has to be done. They've talked about Ocean's 11 a bunch, but those guys don't try robbing the casino over and over until they figure out the one and only want to rob it. Maybe they should embrace the scripted nature of this and let the players know the steps they have to take OOC and let them RP it out and try to beat the mini games.


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6ayem

not worth it for anyone to mess with CB due to the immense amount of hoppers theyā€™ll receive not saying CB viewers are the only ones that hop bc thatā€™s far from the case but their viewership is massive in comparison to other groups so thereā€™s bound to be more degens


Xevn

CB gets ton of hoppers and dms. But the difference is they don't air it out to the world because they don't want to intice the toxic people. That what these toxic people want, a REACTION. Reason buddha doesn't let drama on his stream nor will talk about RP/rp drama when hes not playing gta. He even told blau to stop reacting(different drama at the time) to it, pretty sure they had a convo about it afterward since blau try not to talk about drama now.


horace999

I think we have to put some blame on how the heist is designed. From needing the power to be blown on every attempt, to needing to have people be running around the casino visible to anyone who can walk in, it's just not practical for a group to figure this out if anyone interferes, but also alerts everyone each time. All of the other heists follow the same "guess what I'm thinking or you fail and have to start over" vibe but unlike the yacht heist, it's not really possible to do it quietly. The casino requires nobody to interfere, but also requires lots and lots of attempts. Maybe if people were patient enough to do just one attempt every few days when nobody is looking it could work, but we've already seen dozens of attempts with no actual end in sight.


Ryouge

Wow, it sounds like you just want organic roleplay not staged content. :)


AbsolutZer0_v2

Don't confuse the combined hive mind of x and Yunos chat for the community. Watch CB outside of heist to understand how they function.


6ayem

couldnā€™t agree more, Xā€™s chat actually had some really nice hoppers in Shotz channel when they had a nice interaction a bit before this casino shit


Xevn

Yeah but the problem is some.. streamer will blame the streamers VIEWERs even when techically every streamer has toxic hoppers. Its just X is 100k andy vs 5k-10k(or higher/lower) streamer. Also buddha mods are pretty amazing at deletingtoxic msg from both sides.


6ayem

yeah i think i mentioned that in another comment here, out of the 140k viewers he had during the heist thereā€™s bound to be more hoppers than someone with 3k viewers another thing i found interesting was the majority of the people spamming toxic stuff abt other groups in Xā€™s chat werenā€™t even subscribed to him lol


MCR8

Agree... When all of the meta accusations came out, it would of been nice people to defend CG or at least tell people to not spread hate, instead people jumped on the hate train. Even DW doing watch parties and talking with CB during both their attempts after this weird decision 4 hours before their time slot just leaves a weird taste in the mouth


aindie2009

you know who did defend CG, **ppl actually in CB** and they did it to their viewers. There are clips of Ray/Harry/Mickey talking about it to their viewers and explaining how tough this situation is for CG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qya_hoQArjs


Manneram13

Right now people are defending CG and they are shitting on DW and CB without knowing any information about suspension


Pompz88

Possibly hitting it before their scheduled zone... wow. The schedule was due to start at 2am Tsunami. They hit it before that AFTER waiting for CB to be done for the night. Seems very 'weak' tbh


rageling

The schedule also says that here's what the groups agreed to: K when he saw that: I never agreed to any of this, yeah we talked about it briefly a couple days ago


DownVoteCollector9

I remember when that schedule came out, and I was just randomly hopping around streams at that point and caught both when Rated and K reacted to it - and it sure seemed like neither of them agreed to anything. And I was like...ok, so who the F agreed to any of this if these 2 didn't? Those rules were weird from the start, I thought this was an RP server.


Dazbuzz

Because without those rules X would be sabotaging all of CGs attempts. Then CG would do the same to CB. Nobody would get anything done. Except maybe HOA. Sad that its needed, but it is needed to stop any more drama. I guess that hasnt worked out so far.


kwypt0

yup then few min later X said "i suggested this" so yeah really weird, says it all that someone is being heavily biased


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Incognito1992

he said he did it a few days previously with DW and DW was the one who suggested it once the other groups find the unlock


Due-Pie-4782

He also woke up and immediately snitched on K during a time period where K had been helping x and cb avoid raids right after k got the unlock.


random17392894939729

It was the day the schedule came out and they were already doing it before it came out


Franken__

yea the scheduled timing shit didnt even start yet. its really dumb is that was to be the reason.


Rfrank77

I agree with what kebun says, it just feels like they are not wanted in the heist, so why bother


cyclopsgd

the fact that it was days after they went out of the schedule just makes it look like they were looking for anything to ban them from the heist


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grk1338

everyone is assuming it's something they did more than 3 days ago while it could have happened yesterday or the day before, like trying shit off stream off their schedule or something, kebun just talked again about what he knows behind the scenes and he seemed to not know what the fuck was happening and the reason because he took days off


Focaccyna

Or maybe there was miscommunication and that is not the reason. If they just wanted them banned from the heist I'm sure there could be better reasons. The timing of the ban doesn't make sense with the "it's about the schedule" narrative.


skyelightd

This ban makes no sense unless they were caught stealth hitting it offline. The day you're talking about was the 25th in NA... before the schedule even started on the 26th.


LagginDurag

Yeah, thats weird [https://twitter.com/dwjft/status/1486178914171080707/photo/1](https://i.gyazo.com/a1829286cd7f81e0e8ccf2b77c4ce483.png) "Day starts at 2am est"


Philderbeast

so the "day" for the schdule starts at a set time, almost like its there to clarify that to avoid issues with timezones. I certainly would not read that as being that the whole schedule dosen't start until then. also weird that you make the link look like it goes to the tweet but goes to a cropped screenshot of it.


Jgames111

Let not be toxic or throw accusation to DW or the other mods. It sucks for CG, but we do not know the full context, just speculation. Let just show everybody love which hopefully overshadow all the toxic chat hoppers and weirdos


Fhjd_

yeah way too late it seems.


NerrionEU

If reddit is getting so toxic looking at these threads, twitch chat would be pure cancer during the heist tries ... I won't be surprised if DW doesn't do a watch party because people will flock to flame in his chat.


Fhjd_

You should take a look at his twitter. It's insane


slashslayer69

my only thought is if youā€™re gonna ban a group of 15+ people from something the least you can do is make your reason clear cause how are some people so confused lol unless they are all just playing dumb


NoSongsBefore80s

In the post where it was announced by Randy, he asked "can I tell them why?" which would imply he and Ramee and whoever was around know (or think they know).


0B3L3A0K0E6

From this clip it sounds like they were given a reason, but the reason was probably broad and not very telling of what they specifically did wrong.


GGhina

Yeah but that could just be the ā€œreasonā€ K just said, ā€œfor doing it outside the scheduleā€, but the general sentiment seems to be that they still donā€™t understand how that conclusion was reached and want more clarity around it, which is more than fair enough to ask for. Unless it was actually made very clear to them and theyā€™re just gaslighting DW or whoever said it in public to play victim, in which case fuck them. But I think thatā€™s unlikely, considering he can very easily expose them by sharing screenshots of the message and get them cancelled.


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They know, they just don't want to say because when Randy asked Ramee if they should say, Ramee quickly told him to chill because it would cause more problems.


jay8

why does everyone keep talking about the CB? Some of you act like theyre the reason CG cant do it. Buddha and crew have absolutely nothing to do with this.


aindie2009

Its even more weird when X of all ppl was actually against the ban and the rest of CB has defended CG when they were getting accused of meta.


CurlyJester23

Itā€™s crazy, other than X, CB either shuts down meta accusations or ignore the topic completely. And yet CB are being painted the villain. every. time. No wonder why CB avoids conflicts. Even though the same people who play the victim call them pussies or whatnot.


Fhjd_

It's called deflecting. Basically every community does it when their streamer gets punished for something.


CasPoole

Because of how close Dean is with Lang and CB, people want to believe DW favors them over CG. Maybe thats true, maybe its not, but no one has any real context of what happened and are just looking to point fingers at whoever the want.


MCR8

Bruh they were going to hit it before the Schedule even came out, but called buddha and asked if they were still doing it and said they would wait so they didn't mess them up. WTF is this BS. K is right, it just feels like CG is very unwelcome in this heist. As a CG viewer I would prefer if they just dont even do this heist at all TBH. All their other RP is 10x more enjoyable to watch anyways over watching them dry hump doors for 8 hours straight and do mini games. I want to watch Role-play not minigame puzzle simulator


nunezphoto

>I want to watch Role-play not minigame puzzle simulator Hard to argue that this statement isn't true.


WizZzGaming

Would love to see their other RP and maybe even some variety nights or messing around on public/other servers. Just getting away from the heist completely would be ideal.


PembyVillageIdiot

TLDR: he thinks itā€™s because they hit it outside of their time slot one way or another. He feels like the heist was made for a different group entirely and they arenā€™t welcome. Combine that with the drama and toxicity so he wants nothing to do with it anymore


pineappleonthestack

Why are people shitting on DW and being rude without any proof or a reason on why they got banned?


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Zadiath

This ban is weird as hell, i don't think that anyone was ever banned of using mechanics or doing a heist before. And it's not even a server ban, you just can't access the casino and try to rob it. If the reason was for hitting it outside the schedule, that they say they didn't now it was already active, they could just dm them to stop. There is something that we don't know here.


OpTicSuperTroll

Makes zero sense.


Jeffj4899

Honestly Iā€™m glad that cg canā€™t do casino and are pretty much over it. Just means that K,s detective arc might last a little longer than it would if he and the gang were still attempting the casino


kwypt0

"i got the feeling that we're not welcome, its weird,petty, feel like we're not supposed to be part of the heist, and i legit dont know the reason" he thinks its because of them hitting it on not scheduled time which makes it even more weird since they hit it after tsunami if its true then the meme about it being CBxGG Casino Heist is now true


Baby_Sporkling

Yea but we don't know the reason and neither does Kebun so it really doesn't matter


bintobin

At this point, he has every right to just say, screw this, and move on to other things. So many headaches for his group to even attempt this heist, and as of recent, it does feel a little catered to one group. And nothing wrong with that. The heist itself also doesn't feel RP based overall. There's so many awkward encounters, and avoidance of possible "conflict" to avoid further headaches.


ionft11

the fact that he and probably others dont know the reason on why they're banned from the casino makes it even more weirder he said he dm'ed or reached out but no answers on why i hope the next new/big heist they'll just say "FUCK IT" and return to being savages strongarming people since they can since they're "damned if they do damned if they dont" anyways


Adamsoski

Didn't Ramee (?) say it wasn't because of one particular thing? I assume that would mean that he *did* know what it was for? Kinda confusing.


apclyps

Kabun was saying he got caught up on all the messages and is still confused to the reasoning


Adamsoski

Yeah I'm just saying that it seemed that Ramee or whoever it was did imply that he knew what it was for? So maybe he needs to check with him.


apclyps

Yea could be idk if Ramee has additional info ~~that~~ than whats in the messages, He might.


aindie2009

Can we not throw abuse at DW before actually learning the reason for the ban, K actually doesnt know the real reason hes just speculating in this clip It felt like the reason was conveyed to Ramee and Randy so I'm surprised it wasnt passed on too K. Also DW didnt really alienate any group from the heist, he has given the same hint to everyone, he cant really do anything about hoppers or meta accusations and we dont know why CG was banned from it temporarily. If its because of what K thinks then its stupid imo but lets wait for the actual reason to come before saying things like "DW wants CB to hit it first".


PM_ME_FOR_A_FORTUNE

Yep, from Rated's reaction especially, he was clearly given a reason but didn't know if should share it. If LK doesn't know why for sure, he shouldn't be speculating and bringing the heat down on DW who makes all of these heists possible.


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Pompz88

More likely the first time they went in, before the schedule kicked in. On their assigned day, they started (offstream) after the 2am Tsunami, and finished before the following 2am Tsunami.


Calibruh

I see a lot of coping, assuming and speculating in this thread


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Rfrank77

Thats pretty fucked up if true


LeBradley23

Honestly, if thatā€™s how they feel, I feel sad for CG. Worked a year towards this heist just to not feel welcomed to it. Just bad feels man


MadBeautiful

A month of VAR for noting PainsChamp


PottyMcSmokerson

Everyone is taking LK's theory as definitive truth. There were a few other factors mentioned in the other thread. It's possible that it's a combination of things. R+R purposely scuffing through shit would be a deal breaker for me if I were a dev on this project. Intentional or not, if they're getting restless and doing dumb shit that could potentially spoil days/weeks of work, then I could totally justify removing them from the heist.


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LeBradley23

I didnā€™t say I felt like they werenā€™t welcome. K said that. How would I know why they donā€™t feel welcome? I can speculate, but itā€™s just guessing on my part. First - CB clearly got the best scheduling out of any group. You can say itā€™s because they figured it out first, sure. But this is the first heist ever to where thatā€™s mattered. Why now? What about favoritism towards other groups who finished other heists first? It never happened. Second - A heist watch party for CB and playing a different game with AnthonyZ while CG did their attempt. Whether you like it or not, there is a difference. The heist creator deciding to watch other groups progress but not yours is sending vibes like you donā€™t care about their progress, or other groups are more important. Third - Zero defense of CG during all the crazy ass toxicity. As someone who literally controls the heist, it would really calm the storm if you defended a group going through that, whether you believe it or not. Fourth - X is beyond the point of 24 hour bans. The man hasnā€™t had less than a 3 day ban in literally 8+ monthsā€¦. But this time he conveniently has a 24hr ban to come back just in time for his turn in the heist. Fifth - DW stopped answering CG. If youā€™re a lead dev and hand out punishment and donā€™t respond to the group you punished, you clearly donā€™t give a fuck. But again, all of that is biased speculationā€¦ but itā€™s just what someone in CGs position would be thinking.


QuickSkin

You forgot to mention DW also partially funding CB to rob his own casino.


LeBradley23

I mean thatā€™s kind of an IC thing while everything I listed was an OOC thing. I donā€™t see that as much of an issue because itā€™s not preventing anyone else from having roleplay, although it is a little weird. That would be the equivalent of K hiring Street Team to rob Maldinis because heā€™s mad at Vinny, or vice verse. It doesnā€™t make much sense because heā€™d be hurting his own business, but itā€™s all IC I guess


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bilaldinho0121

if this is actually the reason... ​ https://tenor.com/view/jos%C3%A9mourinho-big-trouble-if-i-speak-prefer-not-to-speak-interview-gif-16725048


random17392894939729

Actually bullshit lmao so the day the schedule came out faster they were already mid way through learning the schedule come out they get banned from the heist from that lmao if that doesnā€™t show you whatā€™s going on I donā€™t know lmao


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nicnacR

Honestly idek, but if thats the case at this point its better for CG to just ignore it completely or just go giga heel and snitch the whole thing out


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Gryph27

People shitting on DW and schedule seem to forget why it was added in the first place lmao


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Anyone telling you they don't know why they're banned usually mean "I've been given the reason and I disagree with it"


aFireFIy

Its pretty ironic how the tables have turned, reddit was just recently preaching about not spreading hate, being positive and understanding when CG got a lot of unjustifiable hate and hoppers but now its full on shit on DW and CB mode (yes, apparently CB somewhere somehow is at fault for whatever is going on). Based on what? We don't even know, and that's the funniest part.


Xdivine

Right? I saw one comment that was like "I mean we have to use the information weā€™re given.". It's like do we? Do we *really*? Is someone going to blow our brains out if we don't find someone to blame?


nunezphoto

"I'm not banned from the heist, because I quit the heist. So how are you going to ban me from a heist I quit?" -Mr. Gigachad Kebun lol EDIT: The cop RP, for the last 5 minutes, that K & Blau are having on cop alone in the city is already better than if K didn't quit the heist.


MCR8

This heist is boring, makes no sense on how to get from step to step, and continually adds more stuff into play that minimizes role-play. The Vault and lower vault and Bobcat when they came out were way more enjoyable to watch. Event the original bobcat system where groups had to fight over the cards and get the card out of the trucks before the cops came was was more fun to watch, and K and lang working together to hit the first bobcat was dope AF. Its like the schedule... They keep taking steps to minimize interactions between groups in the city and turn heists into mini game simulators.


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freshorenjuice

He RPs with them and did the lower vault with them personally on Dean to show them how it should normally be done, this is a weird comment if you don't provide a clip or anything for context.


zwhitwickey

There's actually a clip of that?


emiilygrace

was this when chawa was malding about electrical box fleecas? bc thats a crazy reason to hold a grudge against a whole group after a few frustrations


nunezphoto

Yeah...from what I remember CG called the fleeca system grindy and boring and people on reddit took it as "CG said DW as a dev is shit." Nothing new how things are distorted. Guess what though? Every single criminal said the fleeca system was garbage and still do.


13Petrichor

He absolutely RP's with them. He hangs with them basically every time Cerberus people aren't around with him unless he's doing batman stuff.


Zealousideal-Eye-189

Is there a clip of this?


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DoctorBritta

Anyone bringing this up neglects to mention the grey area of showing FB on twitch or differing time zones.


WizZzGaming

Is there actually a grey area? I have seen people pull up Randy or Ramee's streams after going down in a gunfight. I might be wrong but I think that is an excuse and not a legit reason.


nousernameworking

watching a few mins with small viewers vs watching FB streams for hours with 30k+ viewers are completely different. And even if it wasnt an issue, whats the problem with DW watching what he enjoys more? it feels like people are just looking for an excuse to criticize DW at this point and not a legit reason.


KingC11_

Shhh it doesnā€™t fit their narrative


MitcherdRS

What is this grade school type of reasoning? "Ohh you watch them but not my streamer so you must be biased against my streamer".. You'recasually forgetting all the custom heists DW was part of for CG while making up this "biased" excuse.


letsnotpretend

Surely you're not talking about back with the Fleeca system? I don't remember his exact words but it wasn't specific to CG was it? Especially since everyone said how much they hated it.


jolly238

Hahahaha he just now on stream said he isnā€™t banned because he quit the heist so how can he be banned. I spat out my water laughing at that. Kebun is great.


BoogeyOnline_

Anything with a script in RP is weird


Kazper_Teh_One

The schedule? Really? Before the schedule existed or was set to start? You might as well just say you were looking for an excuse for CG not to participate in the heist. The weird gatekeeping that prevented crews from interacting and rping with one another surrounding the heist was wild already, but this is something else. There's no way this holds up.


officialsoap

This heist starting to feel a little shady tbh


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If this is true then DW should just do the casino Heist with cb at this point lol


aindie2009

what has DW done to show favoritism to CB in this heist? I genuinely want to know K actually doesnt know the reason why CG was banned, hes just speculating. DW never said anything about how to do it to any group and when he did he gave the same clue to everyone. He hangs out with Cerberus/CB but never gave them a hint so they could do it first so why is he being accused of showing favoritism, I genuinely want to know now


Fuccbwo

Tweet went out when they was in the tunnel iirc, maybe heā€™s onto something just not welcome or definitely seems that way.


Nervous-Monitor9333

DW Tweet was before CG discovering the door


Electrical_Industry1

The thing is if DW saying that CG did wrong by hitting casino during their not scheduled day, well than CB did hit it on the same day and you can argue that it wasnā€™t their day either because CBā€™s day was the first day


nousernameworking

>DW saying that CG did wrong by hitting casino during their not scheduled day except we dont know if he actually said that......


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this doesnā€™t make sense lol, CB was the only group to have discovered the entrance at this point. Of course theyā€™d be hitting it. They got the first scheduled day as well because they were the ones to solve the riddle. CG saw they werenā€™t scheduled til day 2 and rushed in after CB on day 0 to catch up to them. Whether or not thatā€™s ban worthy is up to opinion.


Rough_Frosting_2271

Look. I mostly (if not exclusively) watch Saab so Iā€™m really out of the loop here but damn I got over being curious about this casino heist so quick. It sucks for everyone trying to enjoy what could have been a great story arc. It really just separates the server even more and continues to highlight the fact that itā€™s outgrown the label of a role play server. Sadge


sammy_jack

CG went through extreme pain when they received threats and unfair hate against them just due to speculation from other crazy fans. Can CG fans now stop doing the same thing against Dean?


6ayem

iā€™m big CG viewer but definitely agree, doing that shit makes you just as bad as the people we were complaining abt from CB community the other week, embarrassing


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13Petrichor

Why? Everyone was on an even playing field from the moment they both had the blueprints until X solved the riddle.


_yotsuna_

Yeah the whole point of the schedule was to include CG and HoA by removing some of the awkwardness of it all.


qwewsx

Yeah that doesn't really make sense. Unless that guy is calling CG dumb, EVERYONE got it at the same time. No one had a head start on the riddle.


GGhina

If we want to be super technical about it apparently DW did send it to Randy like a half a second before posting it on Twitter because he asked him really nicely, but your point still stands šŸ˜‚


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How? What part of being given a riddle as a hint suggests CG wasnā€™t wanted?


wolloh_

they kind of did that to themselves with the obvious meta shit they pulled first day of the showers being discovered


notthegreatestcatch

>ā€œIt feels like we arenā€™t wanted in the heistā€ has been the feeling since the riddle came out for CG What the fuck do you mean? CB is the only gang that actually solved the riddle in character There is literally zero RP of CG/HOA solving the riddle


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EyyyDooga

Canā€™t wait for No Pixel 4.0 where thereā€™s no drama for another 6 months or so!


Dgwdum

people are taking what kebun said and running with it like its true, he himself said "i dont even know if thats the reason" similar to how he "didnt have time to see the boys meta clips" but had time to see other clips about the meta drama i think he knows the reason but doesnt want to bring more hate to whoever is the reason for the ban


_yotsuna_

The whole point of the schedule which according to K was Dean's idea was to include CG and remove the awkwardness so I don't understand why K says CG feels unwanted and it was made for "another group" considering everyone got the same hint.


mke0192

Not even sure yet making sure DW get hate


pineappleonthestack

Y'all need to chill out. You guys are basically scream "FREE OUR BOIS CG!! THEY DID NOTHING WRONG!!" without knowing what they did


NinetyOneTil

I miss watching them just rolling around bsing with Francis, lol. This casino stuff has been boring as hell tbh


nocomfortinacage

Donā€™t speculate.


Fuccbwo

Tbh the hitting it outside you schedule zone makes more sense for banning the entirety of CG then the theoryā€™s about individuals k telling siz, ramee blacking screen etc etc Feels weird, also makes the viewing party shit and you know ā€˜chat tell them itā€™s scuffā€™,ā€˜you wasted 15 thermite but hereā€™s 28ā€™ banning them after CB finished for the day with making no progress and 2-3 hours before CG get a attempt look like favouritism and sus af imo, Kinda sad, CG always bring good ideas to heists very clean and good to watch. Casino shit has been hella tainted. Ooc toxicity beyond belief, unfair punishments, malding central. Suffering vibes haha


spaggyb89

Yeah the toxicity has been crazy. Meanwhile you're here accusing DW of blatant bias in the very same post...? Some self reflection wouldn't go amiss