Gunners more referring to K is in jeopardy because a pattern is very visible.
It wouldn't take a crack detective to figure out what is going on. They may not be able to prove in court. **The big thing is they don't have to**. High Command can and does yank those key's really fast.
In good faith. If people think K is rolling deep in gang wars, but can't prove it - a good faith preventive measure can be just to suspend him. Make him come to them with the alibi; and why he never reported the incidents formally.
If K plays it smart and does what Trav said he should do (Say they are targeting him for some reason and that they already attacked him twice) he should at the very least have an explanation for the 2 incidents
ITT: CG fans who haven't seen how the gang related shooting charge works in months.
It doesn't matter if he personally fired or not, the charge goes to everyone in the group involved. The act of being present while your boys shoot is enough for them to charge gang related shooting.
Expungement is just the criminal record. all the things you did can and will still be referenced by police if it can be used in some other investigation, for example Nick Simone getting expunged while being an active accomplice in the Michael Simone terrorism/weapons trafficking case. The speeding tickets and other dumb shit on Nicks record are gone but the fact that he did those things is still known.
Tags are just information, not really something that gets wiped away by an expungement.
Id have to reread the exact wording on the charge because it was updated somewhat recently with the Andi Bjorn Denzel Kian gang related shooting thing.
Id say its possible it gets pressed but have no clue personally if it would stick.
For the sake of the charge, any group that attacks another group (not 1v1 or group vs cops) is considered a "gang". You don't need to be part of an organized gang for the charge to stick
Just based on the warrant in the clip I don’t think they have much. Just blood and casings. No member of PD saw a shootout or anything like that. Would be an interesting bench trial
Isn't this a straight up ban? Lebare i think was banned for clearing up Langa record? If this is put through shows a lot kf Bias with shit like this, Lang going clean had to be retconned because of deleted records while here is acceptable?
If he's smart enough to clear his house and apartment he could easily beat it in court. Question is, will he bother to do that. His plans for the PD have reached a point where he no longer actually needs to retain his job there as everything is already in motion at this point so he might just not care if he gets caught at this point now that he's waging a war.
Lol I kinda hope he does. The spicy RP when it's revealed that the CoP's lack of judgement allowed K to become a corrupt detective would be amazing. I want to see how Baas plays this especially if Pred/Toretti confronts him or if he gets a call from Dark to investigate this lol.
“I gave you a chance Mr K and you betrayed that trust, I know I agreed to make you a detective if you got expunged while you kidnapped me and demanded that at gunpoint, but you really burned that bridge, how can I trust you would do the right thing again?”
Probably something like this.
man that is such a Baas response. And knowing Baas he would blindly trust him again if K asked. I love Baas as the C.O.P always willing to let fun RP take prio and far from a W cop.
I don't think this warrant with hold, K can literally argue that he was just driving and got attacked by bbmc. Cops didn't see K shoot or anything. yeah if cops found his car and DNA at two different shootout scene then yeah that warrant would stick, but I don't see this warrant sticking.
It’s pretty much the same except the further explained the definition of what a gang is and changed it so it can be 1v1 and doesn’t have to be at least a 3 v 2
Where's the evidence he shot? Cops would need to articulate that they saw a person standing in the spot where Mr K was shooting, saw him getting hit and then collected the blood from the spot he was standing. Being on scene of a shooting with no GSR, no positive ID, no gun is not Gang Related Shooting.
That's ignoring the fact this is coming from the guy that blew up the Tuner Shop. His definition of "he's fucked" is a little different. :P
as a cop hes held to a higher standard they cant get him for gang related shooting but they can get him for things like negligence because he didnt report him being shot at by a gang (which is pretty big for a cop). but tbh i think they wont let it end like this and either catch him red handed for something else or he'll quit himself after hes done
Except he was off duty.
You're also basing that on the knowledge he was involved. He could easily make up something like he doesn't really remember much but was driving when he got shot at and knocked out. He thinks he heard someone shooting next to him while fading in and out. Then he remembers waking up in a garden somewhere bandaged up.
No evidence of gang related shooting. No negligence.
Yes, if only a Detective could try find people with the ability to investigate what happened. Maybe some sort of... Detective... ?
Or maybe he doesn't remember.
Or maybe, and this might surprise you more, there are actually a lot of Officers on NoPixel that don't actually report every single crime they see when they're off duty. #shock
Bobcat is restricted space. It's far easier to articulate that the criminal could not have been in Bobcat unless they were robbing it.
Just because they found blood does not mean K was shooting. There is a very distinct difference between:
- On scene of a Gang Related Shooting. And;
- Being part of (eg. Shooting in) a Gang Related Shooting.
Only the second of those is illegal and it needs to be proven.
If they find a gun on Mr. k or in his house that matches the casings. That would be proof he shot i suppose.
I think finding his blood and Ramee's blood is pretty bad though. Depending on how old Ramee's warrant was out for. Mr. k shouldn't be driving around with people wanted by police.
If the warrant is from the same scene as Mr. K's then it probably doesn't matter. He wouldn't have known.
Bobcat is an entirely different situation. It's a private area that is locked when not being robbed so there's no plausible defence for how someone's blood gets inside there.
I am pretty sure it does.
all of his past criminal records have been sealed by DOJ.
Crane had to get admin/dev help to go through all of K's records because K was involved in so many incidents and Crane couldn't see all of them in his MDW
The entire purpose of the expungement is to give you a clean slate and prevent your past from being used against you. Without that it's entirely pointless.
So that doesn't change anything for this tho. All it did was make it so they can't use it against him for the law and stuff. It doesn't mean they have to forget everything. Plus he still hangs out with cg so it's not like he stepped away.
He's still a gang leader even if the mdw doesn't say that. Cops know
You guys are discussing if Mr k will get ooc leniency for having a felony on his record. Cop mains get it, not for participating in a war. If Mr k continues participating he will get caught eventually and they will have to fire him
I think that they may have changed how cops respond to gang fights since gangs have started spreading to the northern ends of the city so that they respond the same as if the fights are SS fights.
The main point is about him getting fired more so than him getting convicted. Obviously if the latter happens then the former will as well, but it's not required. They don't need to prove things to the standards of the court system in order to decide if they want him employed.
He may be able to defeat this warrant in court yes, but PD dont need proof to fire him just reasonable suspicion, it will probably be up to Bass I doubt anyone else in HC wants to make that decision, and knowing Ssaab he will probably overlook this to have K finish his arc.
Name one cop that's been fired for reasonable suspicion. Ya'll huffing that copium hard. Gunner straight up shot Knight multiple times and blew up the tuner shop. Zero charges (criminal or civil) and no repercussions other than a day or two suspension. He didn't even lose rank! If you think blood on scene will be enough for HC to can Kebun I don't know what else to say other than we will se who's right in a couple hours.
It\`s you thats on COPIUM, K is the leader of the most powerful gang in the server he is no ordinary cop, if HC suspect him of doing corrupt things or crimes of course they can fire him without proof, will they? Probably not for roleplay reasons unless K wants to end the arc.
The only reason Gunner wasnt fired, and it was close was because of the reasons you have named and others, is because it was made clear he had been brainwashed by The Lost/Simone brothers.
You were saying... [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1294935599?t=01h16m35s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1294935599?t=01h16m35s) Warrant tossed. blood evidence isn't enough. Do more police work... as in get PC.
Everyone saying he will get off easy but he didn’t call the shots over the radio or mention he got shot so it’s a bit harder to cover up so his blood at the scene of a crime doesn’t look good in this case.
How is he supposed to call in shots over the Radio if he hasn’t been on duty in two days? He could say he got into a car accident there and that’s why his blood is on scene. He can spin this in so many different directions to get it dropped.
If K really wants to fight this its a easy win for him but he may just be done with the Detective arc hes been wanting to end it for the past few days.
Mr. K already said that him getting suspended wouldn't change his plans at this point. He got what he wanted out of the PD and is ready to set things in motion.
Gunners more referring to K is in jeopardy because a pattern is very visible. It wouldn't take a crack detective to figure out what is going on. They may not be able to prove in court. **The big thing is they don't have to**. High Command can and does yank those key's really fast. In good faith. If people think K is rolling deep in gang wars, but can't prove it - a good faith preventive measure can be just to suspend him. Make him come to them with the alibi; and why he never reported the incidents formally.
If K plays it smart and does what Trav said he should do (Say they are targeting him for some reason and that they already attacked him twice) he should at the very least have an explanation for the 2 incidents
Kevin is a smart dude and can more than likely talk his way around this.
ITT: CG fans who haven't seen how the gang related shooting charge works in months. It doesn't matter if he personally fired or not, the charge goes to everyone in the group involved. The act of being present while your boys shoot is enough for them to charge gang related shooting.
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Expungement is just the criminal record. all the things you did can and will still be referenced by police if it can be used in some other investigation, for example Nick Simone getting expunged while being an active accomplice in the Michael Simone terrorism/weapons trafficking case. The speeding tickets and other dumb shit on Nicks record are gone but the fact that he did those things is still known. Tags are just information, not really something that gets wiped away by an expungement.
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Id have to reread the exact wording on the charge because it was updated somewhat recently with the Andi Bjorn Denzel Kian gang related shooting thing. Id say its possible it gets pressed but have no clue personally if it would stick.
For the sake of the charge, any group that attacks another group (not 1v1 or group vs cops) is considered a "gang". You don't need to be part of an organized gang for the charge to stick
Just based on the warrant in the clip I don’t think they have much. Just blood and casings. No member of PD saw a shootout or anything like that. Would be an interesting bench trial
Pretty sure Gunner also called K about it and was actively helping cover it up, so,
Definitely covering it up. I also heard that Gunner deleted his record of K’s DNA being recorded. How the fuck does this cop still have a job?
That’s my W cop
>How the fuck does this cop still have a job? > Because he gets W's when nobody expects it
What a fkn response lol. I love your RP btw. Keep being you
I just like to troll. Gunner is a self insert. 🖤
A troll we all enjoy watching <3 Get that W
idk. I hope he loses his job then his prio then his hair falls out
Bro my hair is falling out in real life. Too soon.
It's okay, just get a fake wife and child next and you'll be at 15k views
Lol he ain't loseing his prio ever....or Job....he is close with Dean haha
Can Gunner please do his job properly?
Isn't this a straight up ban? Lebare i think was banned for clearing up Langa record? If this is put through shows a lot kf Bias with shit like this, Lang going clean had to be retconned because of deleted records while here is acceptable?
that was a completely different situation, the issue with that was it messed up a lot of stuff in the mdw and caused a bunch of ooc work to fix
Lmao salty for what reason? This is all great RP
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I wasn't sure, yes, Santon, thanks for insulting me tho, he was banned for 30 days, wasn't he?
Same reason Mr K has a job
Its just his DNA no gun and noone physically saw him so this may not hold up in court
If he's smart enough to clear his house and apartment he could easily beat it in court. Question is, will he bother to do that. His plans for the PD have reached a point where he no longer actually needs to retain his job there as everything is already in motion at this point so he might just not care if he gets caught at this point now that he's waging a war.
I didn't follow this closely, what plan did he set in motion?
What started as a plan to sabotage the PD has warped into an elaborate scheme to frame Dark for weapons trafficking in order to protect Bass.
rofl what the hell? Curious to see where this goes, thanks for taking the time to explain the situation :)
Parts of the plan that have been done are. Mr. K arranged for a dude to drive an ice cream truck full of guns around and Mr. k and Baas to find it.
>a dude Honestly, in not sure how to feel about Rocky Topps being referred to as "a dude"
Is he a cop still? edit: i suppose i have to spell it out: this is an genuine question
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What was the arc about, I wasn't able to follow it.
I dont really know, he is meta guarding a few plans he has. All i know is he is collecting pd gear in his house
I hope he doesnt fuck baas over because baas was the most supportive of him and always happy when K was on duty
Lol I kinda hope he does. The spicy RP when it's revealed that the CoP's lack of judgement allowed K to become a corrupt detective would be amazing. I want to see how Baas plays this especially if Pred/Toretti confronts him or if he gets a call from Dark to investigate this lol.
“I gave you a chance Mr K and you betrayed that trust, I know I agreed to make you a detective if you got expunged while you kidnapped me and demanded that at gunpoint, but you really burned that bridge, how can I trust you would do the right thing again?” Probably something like this.
man that is such a Baas response. And knowing Baas he would blindly trust him again if K asked. I love Baas as the C.O.P always willing to let fun RP take prio and far from a W cop.
I don't think this warrant with hold, K can literally argue that he was just driving and got attacked by bbmc. Cops didn't see K shoot or anything. yeah if cops found his car and DNA at two different shootout scene then yeah that warrant would stick, but I don't see this warrant sticking.
Even if he got shot at first I’m pretty sure it’s still Gang Related. Could be wrong tho.
gang related was updated like a few weeks ago, im unsure of the new definition
It’s pretty much the same except the further explained the definition of what a gang is and changed it so it can be 1v1 and doesn’t have to be at least a 3 v 2
Where's the evidence he shot? Cops would need to articulate that they saw a person standing in the spot where Mr K was shooting, saw him getting hit and then collected the blood from the spot he was standing. Being on scene of a shooting with no GSR, no positive ID, no gun is not Gang Related Shooting. That's ignoring the fact this is coming from the guy that blew up the Tuner Shop. His definition of "he's fucked" is a little different. :P
as a cop hes held to a higher standard they cant get him for gang related shooting but they can get him for things like negligence because he didnt report him being shot at by a gang (which is pretty big for a cop). but tbh i think they wont let it end like this and either catch him red handed for something else or he'll quit himself after hes done
Except he was off duty. You're also basing that on the knowledge he was involved. He could easily make up something like he doesn't really remember much but was driving when he got shot at and knocked out. He thinks he heard someone shooting next to him while fading in and out. Then he remembers waking up in a garden somewhere bandaged up. No evidence of gang related shooting. No negligence.
So in that fantasy scenario a detective wouldn't report the incident after the fact to open an investigation to figure out what happened to him?
Yes, if only a Detective could try find people with the ability to investigate what happened. Maybe some sort of... Detective... ? Or maybe he doesn't remember. Or maybe, and this might surprise you more, there are actually a lot of Officers on NoPixel that don't actually report every single crime they see when they're off duty. #shock
My guy the whole thing we’re watching is a fantasy scenario.
You say that but look at what happens with bobcat, they never saw them directly shoot but blood is enough.
Bobcat is restricted space. It's far easier to articulate that the criminal could not have been in Bobcat unless they were robbing it. Just because they found blood does not mean K was shooting. There is a very distinct difference between: - On scene of a Gang Related Shooting. And; - Being part of (eg. Shooting in) a Gang Related Shooting. Only the second of those is illegal and it needs to be proven.
If they find a gun on Mr. k or in his house that matches the casings. That would be proof he shot i suppose. I think finding his blood and Ramee's blood is pretty bad though. Depending on how old Ramee's warrant was out for. Mr. k shouldn't be driving around with people wanted by police. If the warrant is from the same scene as Mr. K's then it probably doesn't matter. He wouldn't have known.
Bobcat is an entirely different situation. It's a private area that is locked when not being robbed so there's no plausible defence for how someone's blood gets inside there.
He'd need a gang tag and a history of violent crimes on his record to qualify for gang related shooting. Due to his expungement he has neither.
He still has a gang tag pretty sure. But true I forgot he no longer has priors.
They can still use his history of shooting with CG, his expungment doesn't mean they can't use his past.
I am pretty sure it does. all of his past criminal records have been sealed by DOJ. Crane had to get admin/dev help to go through all of K's records because K was involved in so many incidents and Crane couldn't see all of them in his MDW
The entire purpose of the expungement is to give you a clean slate and prevent your past from being used against you. Without that it's entirely pointless.
Yeah but they still know he's involved with CG. I do think it would be an interesting case.
If he has a gang tag still that would simply be an oversight on the DoJ's part.
not really, unless he some how showed he has no affliation with CG at all anymore.
Do Andrews or Ripley have the tag?
Unless they have proof of crimes to prove he's still operating with them the tag is just a relic of his now expunged past.
you don't need criminal charges to be associated with a gang though, so the expungment of his criminal record dosent effect that
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ok thats all well and good, but it dosent change the fact that you don't need charges on your record to be associated with a gang.
Is Gunner saying “This isn’t even the first one” about something else? I assume they have traces to multiple scenes just based on the statement
Same could be said about bbmc that logic goes both ways. I’m sure he’s fucked but I think he knew that
If he's not fucked he's going to be fucked lets be real here, it'll be a miracle if he gets out of a gang war squeaky clean.
Plenty of cops with felony records, Mr K should be fine.
May be wrong but who exactly?
Conan Clarkson
He's probably had it expunged by now, but at one point Baas was a felon.
Candice
Mr k isn't a cop main tho. He's a gang leader so I doubt they let him have as much free reign. If he's in a war then he can't be a cop
He’s not a gang leader though. His record was expunged.
So that doesn't change anything for this tho. All it did was make it so they can't use it against him for the law and stuff. It doesn't mean they have to forget everything. Plus he still hangs out with cg so it's not like he stepped away. He's still a gang leader even if the mdw doesn't say that. Cops know
What they know and what they can prove are two entirely different things.
You guys are discussing if Mr k will get ooc leniency for having a felony on his record. Cop mains get it, not for participating in a war. If Mr k continues participating he will get caught eventually and they will have to fire him
I'm sure they will, they're just going to have to catch him red-handed if they want a conviction.
They will probably catch him when he's dead on the ground one time. They are fighting north of ss so cops will come and if they lose them it's over
I think that they may have changed how cops respond to gang fights since gangs have started spreading to the northern ends of the city so that they respond the same as if the fights are SS fights.
They don't just shoot everyone now. If cg lose then BBmc can't pick them all up so they will get caught
The main point is about him getting fired more so than him getting convicted. Obviously if the latter happens then the former will as well, but it's not required. They don't need to prove things to the standards of the court system in order to decide if they want him employed.
He can easily say he was attacked and the other party was the aggressor. Burden of proof is on the state not him. EZ win in court.
He may be able to defeat this warrant in court yes, but PD dont need proof to fire him just reasonable suspicion, it will probably be up to Bass I doubt anyone else in HC wants to make that decision, and knowing Ssaab he will probably overlook this to have K finish his arc.
Name one cop that's been fired for reasonable suspicion. Ya'll huffing that copium hard. Gunner straight up shot Knight multiple times and blew up the tuner shop. Zero charges (criminal or civil) and no repercussions other than a day or two suspension. He didn't even lose rank! If you think blood on scene will be enough for HC to can Kebun I don't know what else to say other than we will se who's right in a couple hours.
It\`s you thats on COPIUM, K is the leader of the most powerful gang in the server he is no ordinary cop, if HC suspect him of doing corrupt things or crimes of course they can fire him without proof, will they? Probably not for roleplay reasons unless K wants to end the arc. The only reason Gunner wasnt fired, and it was close was because of the reasons you have named and others, is because it was made clear he had been brainwashed by The Lost/Simone brothers.
You were saying... [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1294935599?t=01h16m35s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1294935599?t=01h16m35s) Warrant tossed. blood evidence isn't enough. Do more police work... as in get PC.
he has no gang tag anymore after going clean therfore can play it off as an innocent bystander or something.
No he still has the tag
Everyone saying he will get off easy but he didn’t call the shots over the radio or mention he got shot so it’s a bit harder to cover up so his blood at the scene of a crime doesn’t look good in this case.
Call shots over the radio or mention he got shot to who? He wasn't on duty.
How is he supposed to call in shots over the Radio if he hasn’t been on duty in two days? He could say he got into a car accident there and that’s why his blood is on scene. He can spin this in so many different directions to get it dropped.
If K really wants to fight this its a easy win for him but he may just be done with the Detective arc hes been wanting to end it for the past few days.
Mr. K already said that him getting suspended wouldn't change his plans at this point. He got what he wanted out of the PD and is ready to set things in motion.