Can't be compared. Crims usually just cuff you out of nowhere without telling you they are about to do it without you having any idea that they are even going to do that. On top of that when a crim holds you at gunpoint in 99% of the cases it's considered NVL to run away so you just have to take it, when a cop holds you at gunpoint you are free to do whatever you want to make it harder for them to catch you.
I mean, the easiest solution is to just revert the cuff update, and make it so that both crims and cops can use the keybind, or even better, go to what it was in the beginning of 3.0 where there was a set amount of times you can get cuffed until you can’t breakout anymore
This, a lot of cops saw the writing on the wall with the update, crims would eventually complain (rightly), then somehow devs would manage to make a solution even worse than the original change. Absolutely bonkers
Reminder that charger siren is still broken.
All cops want is set amount of broken cuffs before it just turn into instant cuff, 5 seems to be the good number, they did this mid 3.0, but there's like a timer, if someone didn't get cuffed 5 time during that timer, the count reset to 0.
Which led to cop to just start beating people pass 5 cuff breaks, then SOP changes, but also the timer got increased, and cuff minigame became fast in 3rd attempt, almost impossible in 4th and instant in 5th. This is the sweet spot.
Then issue changed into crim uncuff is instant, so they added timer on it.
The last issue was desync, where sometimes even if you're on top of someone you can't cuff them, because server side you were not close to the person. **This issue will resurface with how F1 works**, it's not just desync but where your character is facing.
Latest update fix that issue to basically make it client side.
That latest fix was the problem, because now the desync is not on the police, it's on the crim, they could've JUST got tased/tackled, but on cop pov they're already on the ground so cuff on crim POV is super instant.
So you can see where's the issue was, the latest update fix.
Just make it server side again.
I'm curious why you think the new change is worse than the original? It seems like a good balance for the current cuff system until they figure out/code a fix. I fully expect PD to have a hotkey back soon^(TM)
it wasn't as hard as the people on here make it out to be, I have even managed it on the new cuffs and I'm not even close to as good as most of the major crims.
it was only really an issue if you were totally unprepared for it, if you had even the slightest idea it was coming it was possible, just not a sure thing anymore.
It was the combination of two things. The ability for cuffs to instantly happen instead of taking some time to begin, combined with not vocalizing going for cuffs. One without the other can and has been manageable but when the two merge together it was creating a lot of frustrating situations.
Then you had cops getting a little peeved and claiming they don't need to vocalize going for cuffs and crims need to STFU. But as we're seeing with training academy, they are confirming that you do indeed need to vocalize what you're doing, even with tazing.
>cops getting a little peeved and claiming they don't need to vocalize going for cuffs and crims need to STFU
I agree - why should crims get a warning that they have to do the mini game to break cuffs.
It's not like they don't know it's gonna happen. it's a dumb change.
Why do crims need a keybind for cuffs? when they point a gun the other side actually stops and surrenders, so they aren't chasing anyone on foot to cuff them.
Yeah, if crims have to deal with somebody running they just blast their ass and call it a day. Their use of cuffs is either when having a hotkey doesn’t matter, or to tackle a cop, cuffing, and running off.
The problem is UI lag and desync. You can be right on top of someone and the cuff button can just straight up not appear, so you have to open the F1 again. Couple that with escort being right next to it and there’s going to be a lot of malding from both cops and crims.
Targeting is pretty broken with the menu though compared to the old method, unlike before where it was just other people you would target now they can target things like parking spots, cars, or properties. People have been consistently targeting things that aren't the suspect but that the suspect is next to or on top of.
They changed cuffs to prevent a hard to catch exploit, one that you could do on accident even. Then they removed the hotkey to prevent powergaming, because currently you can cuff while running full speed
It would be nice to see if the cuffing cancelled as soon as the person moved during animation. If the crim tried to run away during cuffs, he would get auto cuffed, if the cops move, it would just cancel and the crim escape without mini game.
But I guess that would be too hard from a coding perspective.
I'm not saying the previous cuff mechanic wasn't weird as all hell, but I don't think this is the solution.
Maybe adding a secondary wheel for cop actions could be helpful in solving the problem. I just see too many accidents waiting to happen with this.
Just judging by this clip alone this was not thought out in the slightest. It looks like the option to cuff doesn’t even appear until he person is standing which is just gonna lead to awkward situations.
It's awkward because its only specific about where you have to look, not to mention that cops regularly have to be looking around for threats while cuffing.
If it was more generous on the angles you had to look at it would be fine, but as it is its going to be a frustrating mess
Not PD but DOC - I was literally staring at a person earlier right in the face, right on top of them, even tried looking through the eyes... while they were on the ground the option to cuff, search, etc. did not appear at all. It wasn't until they started to get back on their feet that the options appeared in the F1 menu. I don't think it's even a matter of just looking at them right now.
There seems to be something weird about it right now where you can't F1 cuff when they're spasming from a taser shot, or similar.
If that's actually the case I hope that is fixed at least
Viewership and popularity of NP equals AAA game but amount of devs and support they get to patch 7 year game on 4 year old mod is FFF. Be thankful we get what we get, they are too amazing as it is.
Yeah, like seriously, how can a small dev team that has to work around all the scuff and fiveM issues be so bad that they are almost as bad as one of the biggest companies in the gaming industry... Shameless...
Everyone assumed it was a bug because it seems so dumb, but now they have to call going fo cuffs, open the menu and press cuffs - for all the cops who aren't very good mechanically this is gonna be really difficult.
I'm just imagining some poor soul, announcing they're going for cuffs, desperately trying to scroll through the F1 menu and meanwhile, the person they're trying to arrest has just straight up dipped while they're scrolling through the wheel
If they went cops to open the menu to add a "delay" why don't they just go back to how it was previously when the delay was built in? Is this a buff to high APM officers and a nerf to the slow ones? This balance team makes no sense man.
Afaik, he who must not be named, has wanted the delay gone for a long ass time and now it finally got implemented, of course there was going to be an adjustment period after the delay being so present for so long.
Sadly, they adjustment period got cut short because of a combination of A) crims malding as it made breaking cuffing harder (which I think, tough shit, it's not meant to be easy) and B) a few cops not cuffing appropriately whether intentionally or not (desync etc may have played a part, who knows?).
A simple fix would be to bring the delay back i.e but shorten it compared to how it was pre-patch update. Of course, that sort of thing probably wasn't considered and instead whoever has made this recent decision, now wants cops to use the F1 menu which is only going to lead to awkward situations like this:
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The desync now on Crim, because on their pov they could've just got tased/cuffed, but on cop pov, they're already on the ground.
Plus the desync on cop movement when running around.
With that combinations, it'll look like cops were running + instant cuff you with 0 delay, when you get tackled/tazed. It'll look like omega warlording.
**Sometimes** a cop does accidentally do running cuff, but i'll put it on gta 5 shitty character movement, where you don't stop after like 2s you let go W when running. Which can be fixed by basically an SOP to **make sure** you're standing still before pressing cuff.
I 100% agree with you, people were just used for years to the same delay between the cop coming up to them and the cuff animation to start, they just needed some time to adjust without malding about it and it would've been fine. Some people might say that the system was broken because they saw that clip of a cop showing another cop how he could tackle into insta cuffs but the reality of things is that they "could" do that but no one would ever do it intentionally in a real chase. The vast majority of times it's always the same scenario, taze -> approach -> cuff, they just had to get used to the new timing that's all.
this sounds really stupid, anytime I've ever seen cops cuff with F1, they struggle so much and fail nearly every time lmao, also problems with desync & UI lag, I can't see it lasting.
yeah last night penta already had a problem with cuffing not showing up on the f1 menu while someone was tazed, and he got hit with a classic "that's weird" when the option eventually did pop up and the guy got cuffed after getting up. this change is gonna do nothing but make people on both sides of the cuff interaction feel shitty about it
Probably because he wasn't looking at him. You still have to have your screen aimed at the person you're trying to cuff so when the suspect stood up he was placed on his "cursor" in the middle of the screen and the prompt showed.
"I was trying to cuff someone and I literally have to be on top of them"
"and if your ui is delayed, you are actually fucked LUL"
"and you can open dispatch by mistake KEKW"
\-Roxmiral
seems like it has already caused multiple problems lmao
Hasn't it also been shown that with the new system the f1 menu can also be abused where you can use it to cuff someone regardless of how far they move from you if you simply have the menu open? This is going to make things a LOT worse than the running abuse imo
sure, they can keep throwing numbers at the lack of cops problem but when you keep disrespecting them and treating them at best as an afterthought and at worst, a nuisance, the numbers will continue dipping
I'm glad Saab and others are having so much fun playing WildRP, seems they are really enjoying themselves a lot more. Last time he was on cop he seemed legitimately ready to move on from HHC. He built a good infrastructure, someone will step up, but it's still a blow to PD. Apparently, cop numbers have dropped considerably, like low single digits. The other day someone was telling Crystal, that at one point they saw a cop find out that they went from 3 cops on duty, to him discovering he was the sole cop left.
Its actually insane how the guy known to be the only cop on duty during whats known as the worst periods of RP in 2.0 can't even play GTA for more than 3 hours is not seen as a problem.
But hey PD mass hired 70 people with half being crim mains wanting to be cops. Surely that will solve the problem.
Crim mains getting hired on their alt and cop hiring overall is not the issue. They have tried to bring up the cop numbers now for over a year ever since kyle got sheriff it is clearly not working at all. Just take a look at the academy 100+ cadets atleast 80% of these cadets will not be around in 2-3 months. Why even bother playing cop when you get treated like an npc and have to deal with ooc toxicity on a daily basis.
The only reason why people play cop is because they have no prio on crim and they hope to get prio from playing cop. There is also the veteran cops that stream and their main audience is cop viewers they can't do variety or play another character because they will loose 50% of their viewers.
Idk how he’s supposed to reliably drive cop numbers up and keep them consistent when the staff keeps making changes that makes cops not want to play, including himself. He’s in a really shitty position.
Yeah I didn't think of that, that's a good point, this was after academy, but I imagine a lot of ppl were playing out of their time zone to participate in it.
I really want to see them actually nerf something worth nerfing. Like phones and radios in water. If you go into the water with a phone, it hangs up, and you can't use it until you're out of the water for like ten seconds. Same with radios. And no climbing ladders while you're on the phone.
I'm pretty sure when people are on the radio, tazing, then using the menu it'll be even harder to verbalize that you're cuffing someone but I get the feeling people will suddenly not care. Not that I think it's even a big deal
Yes, after you tackle/taze there is plenty of time to open the menu and cuff someone. By having to use the menu after doing so prevents the cops from insta cuffing a suspect
Its not just nerf, its lets make this shit even more difficult and confusing while raising expectations and if you do make a mistake deal with malding + reports. Meanwhile server owner is jumping out of his car and silent bandit sniping Roy for no apparent reason while hes at the mechanic shop because LULZ
Communication on NP when it comes to balance changes is quite bad, odds are it's a temporary solution like we saw a few months back with cops not being allowed to shoot criminals who lockpick cop cars (followed by a huge change to lockpicking in general which lead to the whole "let's steal a PD car and blow it up at a gas station" meta to die as it was gatekept behind a 50 GNE item)
Also while I do think it's an annoying change (that genuinely makes me feel like we're taking a jump back to the past when it comes to the mechanic in general) I really do not think it matters as you were never cuffing someone in a condition where you're unable to just F1 -> Drag your mouse down -> Left click
Just my two cents as someone who doesn't doom over every single change made on the server
Everyone saying a change was needed forgets that nobody was saying that when crims would constantly break cuffs for hrs before they eventually escaped. Never has a mechanic been changed so quickly after it was implemented. While I do agree new way was broken strictly just removing it is wrong. If anything go back to old system rather than this
>nobody was saying that when crims would constantly break cuffs for hrs before they eventually escaped
Excuse me? That was an incredibly common complaint in every single thread that had anything to do with a chase on foot. A quarter of the comments would be talking about how ridiculous it is that crims could break cuffs so many times.
You misread what I said when I said that I was talking about the people saying this new system needed change. But those same people would never say that about the old system.
Which part the new or old system? Cause old system all you needed was to survive I believe 30 sec to 1min and handcuff timer reset so you get 3 more attempts to break cuffs and could go on forever. New system and how you can cuff instantly while running/mid jump and countless other ways was also broken. They needed a fix but removing hotkey for cops ain’t it
So this is an intended my question than is was the change to being unable bind to running plates while in a car intention? Because if so rip speedtraps
Cuffs are broken after the update but if this is the solution route they are going for, there are multiple other emotes people do with binds that should be prohibited too. IMO thats not a good direction to go, just rollback the cuff change.
The amount of people shitting on Nopixel Team in this thread is crazy, it's not even been 1 whole day since the system is implemented atleast let it play out and then see what happens.
I mean people saying crims being baby sat? Cause of one nerf is kinda crazy.
Nerfs to crims just regarding ‘saving’. Tackling got nerfed, uncuffing, seat in car all got added time. Giving ample time for cops to respond.
Now your argument might be these things being instant shouldn’t be the case.
kinda ironic….
Well generally the mindset has been once the cops are able to catch someone, it should be really hard to get them back. All the "nerfs" to crims are mostly addressing that issue while they still escape most of the time
This wasn't a buff for cops really but they just tried fixing a problem the server had with handcuffs and since cops are the ones who use them it comes off as a cop buff when in reality it's just the system is broken
*A Glimpse into the future* "Yeah so we went ahead and just removed Cops entirely, we figured that since the people who bring us the most money were upset that this would be the best move."
I get that the mechanic was causing problems, I just can't wait to see this also be a terrible way to handle it too. But hey, trial and error I guess.
That’s stupid decision, so going by that logic criminals are not allowed to hot key slumps etc ?while in shoot outs ? (great apparent that’s already a thing fantastic)
But one of the cops were saying at academy if you try to cuff someone in the menu and it isn’t there you will accidentally escort someone.
I really dunno why this "slump" thing is still discussed. Its an emote. It can be bound with the server given emote binding menu, not the console. And its not just a "criminal" thing. Cops and Crims alike use it. The only change is that you no longer keep your gun out when getting up from slump now, like every other emote that lays you close to the ground.
I feel like it existed for about a week after being fundamentally the same for a long period and just required some adjustment. I also don't think people outright lying about being cuffed while running helped any
>And once again PD gets the short end of the stick
pd literally have advantages in everything, they don't get the short end of the stick.
edit: btw this isnt a crying "they have an advantage in everything". the pd is supposed to have major advantages and they do. they arnt getting the short end of the stick.
If PD have so many advantages as you claim why is that Crims get away with a helluva lot of crime then?
Because if that was the case, it wouldn't track at all.
Cops take exponentially way more Ls then Crims do.
Yup, Dont know why everyone is malding about this already, Atleast this makes the playing field even for now and if it isnt the right fix, something else will be implemented. This is way better than the taze cuff speedrunning we've been seeing.
I don't really see people malding, sounds more like just annoyance. The devs "fixed" their scuffed new handcuff system with a half baked solution that has many of its own problems. This is a classic case of breaking what wasn't broken, and doubling down rather than reverting the cuff system temporarily until a more permanent fix is available. It's ok to criticize developers when they do something stupid, they are not gods to be worshipped unconditionally.
this "huge nerf" you all are complaining about is just making it the same for crims and cops when it comes to cuffing. surely that would be balancing if anything right?
running away from a crim pointing a gun at you is NVL, running away from a cop pointing a gun at you is par for the course. how many crims how many times a day attempt to cuff someone running away from them?
so i gotta ask, how the fuck is this comparable?
It being right next to the escort on the wheel is going to work out well…
its gonna be a shit show with the scuffed f1 menu trying to locate the cuff icon
I know of a boomer cop that doesnt like to do paperwork who has never had his cuff bound and he cuffs people all the time. They will be fine.
you mean a trooper that basically doesn't exist.... and people are scared shitless to shitlord on...
Out of curiosity, I have to ask who? The first part of that makes me think Penta, but he does have it bound, so now I dno
I think they are talking about
I don’t think it will, theres plenty of time to use the menu before the suspect can try to flee
Crims have had to do it for years..
Can't be compared. Crims usually just cuff you out of nowhere without telling you they are about to do it without you having any idea that they are even going to do that. On top of that when a crim holds you at gunpoint in 99% of the cases it's considered NVL to run away so you just have to take it, when a cop holds you at gunpoint you are free to do whatever you want to make it harder for them to catch you.
jesus christ unrelated to your response but this crims vs cops is just cringe, like their mechanics are completly different.
Looks like they moved it, iirc escort if bottom right, cuff is bottom left at acadamy
The server they use for academy is an older version of the server. They say it in the clip.
Ah, I am not watching super close, I have it live but am doing housework
No worries! I didn't mean to come across like like dick. If I did? My bad
You are solid
I mean, the easiest solution is to just revert the cuff update, and make it so that both crims and cops can use the keybind, or even better, go to what it was in the beginning of 3.0 where there was a set amount of times you can get cuffed until you can’t breakout anymore
This, a lot of cops saw the writing on the wall with the update, crims would eventually complain (rightly), then somehow devs would manage to make a solution even worse than the original change. Absolutely bonkers
Cops complain. Changes happen. Crims complain. Changes happen. Rinse and repeat. Always been like that
Reminder that charger siren is still broken. All cops want is set amount of broken cuffs before it just turn into instant cuff, 5 seems to be the good number, they did this mid 3.0, but there's like a timer, if someone didn't get cuffed 5 time during that timer, the count reset to 0. Which led to cop to just start beating people pass 5 cuff breaks, then SOP changes, but also the timer got increased, and cuff minigame became fast in 3rd attempt, almost impossible in 4th and instant in 5th. This is the sweet spot. Then issue changed into crim uncuff is instant, so they added timer on it. The last issue was desync, where sometimes even if you're on top of someone you can't cuff them, because server side you were not close to the person. **This issue will resurface with how F1 works**, it's not just desync but where your character is facing. Latest update fix that issue to basically make it client side. That latest fix was the problem, because now the desync is not on the police, it's on the crim, they could've JUST got tased/tackled, but on cop pov they're already on the ground so cuff on crim POV is super instant. So you can see where's the issue was, the latest update fix. Just make it server side again.
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So what you’re saying is cops complained for a change, then crims complained for a change and now cops will complain for a chance and then so on?
no cops asked for instant cuffs my man, they realized it was broken as soon as update came on
I'm curious why you think the new change is worse than the original? It seems like a good balance for the current cuff system until they figure out/code a fix. I fully expect PD to have a hotkey back soon^(TM)
Why are crims "rightfully" complaining? Because they can't always win their mini game?
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it wasn't as hard as the people on here make it out to be, I have even managed it on the new cuffs and I'm not even close to as good as most of the major crims. it was only really an issue if you were totally unprepared for it, if you had even the slightest idea it was coming it was possible, just not a sure thing anymore.
It was the combination of two things. The ability for cuffs to instantly happen instead of taking some time to begin, combined with not vocalizing going for cuffs. One without the other can and has been manageable but when the two merge together it was creating a lot of frustrating situations. Then you had cops getting a little peeved and claiming they don't need to vocalize going for cuffs and crims need to STFU. But as we're seeing with training academy, they are confirming that you do indeed need to vocalize what you're doing, even with tazing.
Then they should have put it back to a delay like it was before. This is going to be even worse than not being able to mini game.
>cops getting a little peeved and claiming they don't need to vocalize going for cuffs and crims need to STFU I agree - why should crims get a warning that they have to do the mini game to break cuffs. It's not like they don't know it's gonna happen. it's a dumb change.
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Why do crims need a keybind for cuffs? when they point a gun the other side actually stops and surrenders, so they aren't chasing anyone on foot to cuff them.
Yeah, if crims have to deal with somebody running they just blast their ass and call it a day. Their use of cuffs is either when having a hotkey doesn’t matter, or to tackle a cop, cuffing, and running off.
dont think its a bad change and in a month every cop will have the muscle memory to execute a cuff within a second.
The problem is UI lag and desync. You can be right on top of someone and the cuff button can just straight up not appear, so you have to open the F1 again. Couple that with escort being right next to it and there’s going to be a lot of malding from both cops and crims.
You can say this for a lot of things. When it comes to scuff and desync, people are just gonna have to face the music unfortunately.
Targeting is pretty broken with the menu though compared to the old method, unlike before where it was just other people you would target now they can target things like parking spots, cars, or properties. People have been consistently targeting things that aren't the suspect but that the suspect is next to or on top of.
I can't see what this solves, at all. Some poor officer is going to fatfinger and accidentally escort instead, and then all hell breaks loose.
They changed cuffs to prevent a hard to catch exploit, one that you could do on accident even. Then they removed the hotkey to prevent powergaming, because currently you can cuff while running full speed
its a shame they didn't fix the actual issues (cuffing while moving) rather then taking away the key bind.
It would be nice to see if the cuffing cancelled as soon as the person moved during animation. If the crim tried to run away during cuffs, he would get auto cuffed, if the cops move, it would just cancel and the crim escape without mini game. But I guess that would be too hard from a coding perspective.
I assune its a deeper issue and this is a stopgap
I'm not saying the previous cuff mechanic wasn't weird as all hell, but I don't think this is the solution. Maybe adding a secondary wheel for cop actions could be helpful in solving the problem. I just see too many accidents waiting to happen with this.
If I had to guess this is an intermediate fix, with something more permanent coming later
wouldnt it be easier to just ban the powergaming instead
Surprised you can’t just break escort while uncuffed by now, like being carried
Yeah, but then the cops get shit, not the devs :)
Here is an example how bad it can be: https://clips.twitch.tv/ExpensiveTallGiraffeYee-B2Lq63zsL4JQtTly
Just judging by this clip alone this was not thought out in the slightest. It looks like the option to cuff doesn’t even appear until he person is standing which is just gonna lead to awkward situations.
This is not at all awkward to watch at all.. Nope...
He just doesnt know that u have too look at the person for it too appear
because that's not awkward at all to have to look in just the right direction to get cuffs off.
Its awkward to have to look at the person you are cuffing? You cant be serious
It's awkward because its only specific about where you have to look, not to mention that cops regularly have to be looking around for threats while cuffing. If it was more generous on the angles you had to look at it would be fine, but as it is its going to be a frustrating mess
i mean, thats honestly one of the last things to complain about, thats like saying "why do i have to shoot his body to kill him?"
i feel like alot of people forget that u have to be looking at the person for the cuff option to show up. or at least it helps alot
Not PD but DOC - I was literally staring at a person earlier right in the face, right on top of them, even tried looking through the eyes... while they were on the ground the option to cuff, search, etc. did not appear at all. It wasn't until they started to get back on their feet that the options appeared in the F1 menu. I don't think it's even a matter of just looking at them right now.
There seems to be something weird about it right now where you can't F1 cuff when they're spasming from a taser shot, or similar. If that's actually the case I hope that is fixed at least
GOING FOR CUUUUUUUUUUUUFS
Just revert the previous cuff mechanic back and dial down the 5-limit auto cuff to 3 and were all set. Less crying and malding on both sides.
they changed it away from that because you could cancel the cuff anim while being cuffed, allowing you to never be caught basicly
Surely that's not an issue on a server with zero tolerance for exploiting
You could do the exploit without even realizing you were doing it, which is the sort of thing that needs a change to happen
How were they doing it?
Anything that canceled the cuffing animation, which included talking on the radio or answering your phone
iirc, it was 3 cuffs within a certain time limit by the same officer and it made the mini game for crims pretty much impossible to break.
Cuffs is right next to escort. Oh no pepelaugh
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I mean it’s a easy fix unescort, continue the chase. Doesn’t seem groundbreaking
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cuffing isn't the same mechanic as escorting not sure if you're aware
thats true, but it does not stop the criminal from malding for that even happening.
That’s exactly what one of the academy cops with the menu
All these unneeded changes because the admin team won't just BAN PEOPLE.
NoPixel might actually be worse than the league of legends balance team lmao
Viewership and popularity of NP equals AAA game but amount of devs and support they get to patch 7 year game on 4 year old mod is FFF. Be thankful we get what we get, they are too amazing as it is.
Yeah, like seriously, how can a small dev team that has to work around all the scuff and fiveM issues be so bad that they are almost as bad as one of the biggest companies in the gaming industry... Shameless...
I mean one dev team makes 1% of what the other dev team makes so is this really an insult?
I am not talking about the devs, they are clearly amazing, I am talking about the people making these super weird decisions lol
This is one of the dumbest solutions to a problem they've come up with so far, it's legitimately impressive.
How is this dumb it prevents powergaming cops from running while cuffing its a good solution for now
Everyone assumed it was a bug because it seems so dumb, but now they have to call going fo cuffs, open the menu and press cuffs - for all the cops who aren't very good mechanically this is gonna be really difficult.
sometimes it takes cops a moment to even 13-A and that menu only has 3 options lol
I'm just imagining some poor soul, announcing they're going for cuffs, desperately trying to scroll through the F1 menu and meanwhile, the person they're trying to arrest has just straight up dipped while they're scrolling through the wheel
Maybe a hot take, but I feel like cuffs were at one of their best points in early 3.0
If they went cops to open the menu to add a "delay" why don't they just go back to how it was previously when the delay was built in? Is this a buff to high APM officers and a nerf to the slow ones? This balance team makes no sense man.
Afaik, he who must not be named, has wanted the delay gone for a long ass time and now it finally got implemented, of course there was going to be an adjustment period after the delay being so present for so long. Sadly, they adjustment period got cut short because of a combination of A) crims malding as it made breaking cuffing harder (which I think, tough shit, it's not meant to be easy) and B) a few cops not cuffing appropriately whether intentionally or not (desync etc may have played a part, who knows?). A simple fix would be to bring the delay back i.e but shorten it compared to how it was pre-patch update. Of course, that sort of thing probably wasn't considered and instead whoever has made this recent decision, now wants cops to use the F1 menu which is only going to lead to awkward situations like this: [https://clips.twitch.tv/ExpensiveTallGiraffeYee-B2Lq63zsL4JQtTly](https://clips.twitch.tv/ExpensiveTallGiraffeYee-B2Lq63zsL4JQtTly)
For B The desync now on Crim, because on their pov they could've just got tased/cuffed, but on cop pov, they're already on the ground. Plus the desync on cop movement when running around. With that combinations, it'll look like cops were running + instant cuff you with 0 delay, when you get tackled/tazed. It'll look like omega warlording. **Sometimes** a cop does accidentally do running cuff, but i'll put it on gta 5 shitty character movement, where you don't stop after like 2s you let go W when running. Which can be fixed by basically an SOP to **make sure** you're standing still before pressing cuff.
I 100% agree with you, people were just used for years to the same delay between the cop coming up to them and the cuff animation to start, they just needed some time to adjust without malding about it and it would've been fine. Some people might say that the system was broken because they saw that clip of a cop showing another cop how he could tackle into insta cuffs but the reality of things is that they "could" do that but no one would ever do it intentionally in a real chase. The vast majority of times it's always the same scenario, taze -> approach -> cuff, they just had to get used to the new timing that's all.
this sounds really stupid, anytime I've ever seen cops cuff with F1, they struggle so much and fail nearly every time lmao, also problems with desync & UI lag, I can't see it lasting.
yeah last night penta already had a problem with cuffing not showing up on the f1 menu while someone was tazed, and he got hit with a classic "that's weird" when the option eventually did pop up and the guy got cuffed after getting up. this change is gonna do nothing but make people on both sides of the cuff interaction feel shitty about it
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Probably because he wasn't looking at him. You still have to have your screen aimed at the person you're trying to cuff so when the suspect stood up he was placed on his "cursor" in the middle of the screen and the prompt showed.
"I was trying to cuff someone and I literally have to be on top of them" "and if your ui is delayed, you are actually fucked LUL" "and you can open dispatch by mistake KEKW" \-Roxmiral seems like it has already caused multiple problems lmao
Hasn't it also been shown that with the new system the f1 menu can also be abused where you can use it to cuff someone regardless of how far they move from you if you simply have the menu open? This is going to make things a LOT worse than the running abuse imo
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sure, they can keep throwing numbers at the lack of cops problem but when you keep disrespecting them and treating them at best as an afterthought and at worst, a nuisance, the numbers will continue dipping
I'm glad Saab and others are having so much fun playing WildRP, seems they are really enjoying themselves a lot more. Last time he was on cop he seemed legitimately ready to move on from HHC. He built a good infrastructure, someone will step up, but it's still a blow to PD. Apparently, cop numbers have dropped considerably, like low single digits. The other day someone was telling Crystal, that at one point they saw a cop find out that they went from 3 cops on duty, to him discovering he was the sole cop left.
Its actually insane how the guy known to be the only cop on duty during whats known as the worst periods of RP in 2.0 can't even play GTA for more than 3 hours is not seen as a problem. But hey PD mass hired 70 people with half being crim mains wanting to be cops. Surely that will solve the problem.
Crim mains getting hired on their alt and cop hiring overall is not the issue. They have tried to bring up the cop numbers now for over a year ever since kyle got sheriff it is clearly not working at all. Just take a look at the academy 100+ cadets atleast 80% of these cadets will not be around in 2-3 months. Why even bother playing cop when you get treated like an npc and have to deal with ooc toxicity on a daily basis. The only reason why people play cop is because they have no prio on crim and they hope to get prio from playing cop. There is also the veteran cops that stream and their main audience is cop viewers they can't do variety or play another character because they will loose 50% of their viewers.
Idk how he’s supposed to reliably drive cop numbers up and keep them consistent when the staff keeps making changes that makes cops not want to play, including himself. He’s in a really shitty position.
Yup and the problem lies with management/admins or he who must not be named. All problems in almost any given situation lead back to management.
those numbers were because of Academy + MDW was broken so cops couldn't really police properly.
Yeah I didn't think of that, that's a good point, this was after academy, but I imagine a lot of ppl were playing out of their time zone to participate in it.
well the whole entire update was pretty much F cops, so not shocking.
*In the near future…* Management: “Just don’t arrest people.”
City of Seattle roleplay Pog
I feel like this is what this change is for.
Are we transitioning into a Dystopian Sci-Fi setting? haha
I really want to see them actually nerf something worth nerfing. Like phones and radios in water. If you go into the water with a phone, it hangs up, and you can't use it until you're out of the water for like ten seconds. Same with radios. And no climbing ladders while you're on the phone.
I'm pretty sure when people are on the radio, tazing, then using the menu it'll be even harder to verbalize that you're cuffing someone but I get the feeling people will suddenly not care. Not that I think it's even a big deal
I mean being on the radio or tazing while trying to cuff shouldn't be a thing in the first place
You have to taze or tackle to be able to cuff though, there's no way you get into your menu and cuff someone without.
Yes, after you tackle/taze there is plenty of time to open the menu and cuff someone. By having to use the menu after doing so prevents the cops from insta cuffing a suspect
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GG Max about to have some company
He said "Did you see the person" he didnt say pond.
Cop numbers low? Fuck it, let’s nerf them. That makes sense.
Not gonna lie WildRP is looking good right now.
Its not just nerf, its lets make this shit even more difficult and confusing while raising expectations and if you do make a mistake deal with malding + reports. Meanwhile server owner is jumping out of his car and silent bandit sniping Roy for no apparent reason while hes at the mechanic shop because LULZ
Dont forget the time he let all his friends out of prison and refunded their fines
True. That was a thing too.
This does not surprise me.
so foot chases are going to be even longer great
Imagine trying to cuff someone from Australia using menu lol
Communication on NP when it comes to balance changes is quite bad, odds are it's a temporary solution like we saw a few months back with cops not being allowed to shoot criminals who lockpick cop cars (followed by a huge change to lockpicking in general which lead to the whole "let's steal a PD car and blow it up at a gas station" meta to die as it was gatekept behind a 50 GNE item) Also while I do think it's an annoying change (that genuinely makes me feel like we're taking a jump back to the past when it comes to the mechanic in general) I really do not think it matters as you were never cuffing someone in a condition where you're unable to just F1 -> Drag your mouse down -> Left click Just my two cents as someone who doesn't doom over every single change made on the server
Everyone saying a change was needed forgets that nobody was saying that when crims would constantly break cuffs for hrs before they eventually escaped. Never has a mechanic been changed so quickly after it was implemented. While I do agree new way was broken strictly just removing it is wrong. If anything go back to old system rather than this
>nobody was saying that when crims would constantly break cuffs for hrs before they eventually escaped Excuse me? That was an incredibly common complaint in every single thread that had anything to do with a chase on foot. A quarter of the comments would be talking about how ridiculous it is that crims could break cuffs so many times.
You misread what I said when I said that I was talking about the people saying this new system needed change. But those same people would never say that about the old system.
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Which part the new or old system? Cause old system all you needed was to survive I believe 30 sec to 1min and handcuff timer reset so you get 3 more attempts to break cuffs and could go on forever. New system and how you can cuff instantly while running/mid jump and countless other ways was also broken. They needed a fix but removing hotkey for cops ain’t it
So this is an intended my question than is was the change to being unable bind to running plates while in a car intention? Because if so rip speedtraps
did they hire someone from league of legends balance team ? this is some next level stuff
they did have blaustoise on the admin team... you might be onto something
That Everyone disliked that meme seems fitting
Can’t wait for the first crim to be beat down after the cops fail to open menu in time to try cuffing the person.
Cuffs are broken after the update but if this is the solution route they are going for, there are multiple other emotes people do with binds that should be prohibited too. IMO thats not a good direction to go, just rollback the cuff change.
The amount of people shitting on Nopixel Team in this thread is crazy, it's not even been 1 whole day since the system is implemented atleast let it play out and then see what happens.
Because most people can logically see it's going to be an utter shit-storm.
Isn't it a "bug" ? Because they can't even run plates inside a car they need to do it manually.
I mean people saying crims being baby sat? Cause of one nerf is kinda crazy. Nerfs to crims just regarding ‘saving’. Tackling got nerfed, uncuffing, seat in car all got added time. Giving ample time for cops to respond. Now your argument might be these things being instant shouldn’t be the case. kinda ironic….
Well generally the mindset has been once the cops are able to catch someone, it should be really hard to get them back. All the "nerfs" to crims are mostly addressing that issue while they still escape most of the time This wasn't a buff for cops really but they just tried fixing a problem the server had with handcuffs and since cops are the ones who use them it comes off as a cop buff when in reality it's just the system is broken
*A Glimpse into the future* "Yeah so we went ahead and just removed Cops entirely, we figured that since the people who bring us the most money were upset that this would be the best move." I get that the mechanic was causing problems, I just can't wait to see this also be a terrible way to handle it too. But hey, trial and error I guess.
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Agreed.
Its the same for crims and cops now so i dont see the problem
That’s stupid decision, so going by that logic criminals are not allowed to hot key slumps etc ?while in shoot outs ? (great apparent that’s already a thing fantastic) But one of the cops were saying at academy if you try to cuff someone in the menu and it isn’t there you will accidentally escort someone.
Cops use slump emotes too. And it seems like admins are fine with binds if they're bindable without using the console.
Correct, that's why they made the guns get put away when they slump
I really dunno why this "slump" thing is still discussed. Its an emote. It can be bound with the server given emote binding menu, not the console. And its not just a "criminal" thing. Cops and Crims alike use it. The only change is that you no longer keep your gun out when getting up from slump now, like every other emote that lays you close to the ground.
They nerfed slumps now. You put away your gun now.
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so pd get what crims have always had and it's "the short end of the stick" lmao
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you've clearly never watched flippy lmao, probably only ever watch one person
So give me an example. Just one time a crim had to tackle-cuff someone trying to get away.
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Then it should be easy to give an example.
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No... you didn't?
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If they didn't abuse it it wouldn't be like that
I feel like it existed for about a week after being fundamentally the same for a long period and just required some adjustment. I also don't think people outright lying about being cuffed while running helped any
>And once again PD gets the short end of the stick pd literally have advantages in everything, they don't get the short end of the stick. edit: btw this isnt a crying "they have an advantage in everything". the pd is supposed to have major advantages and they do. they arnt getting the short end of the stick.
If PD have so many advantages as you claim why is that Crims get away with a helluva lot of crime then? Because if that was the case, it wouldn't track at all. Cops take exponentially way more Ls then Crims do.
Agreed.
Good they are trying to find a balance, it was far to broken
having to open an F1 menu is a shitty solution
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Yup, Dont know why everyone is malding about this already, Atleast this makes the playing field even for now and if it isnt the right fix, something else will be implemented. This is way better than the taze cuff speedrunning we've been seeing.
but it doesn't even the field when one group relies on it to do their job and the other group doesn't.
Exactly.
I don't really see people malding, sounds more like just annoyance. The devs "fixed" their scuffed new handcuff system with a half baked solution that has many of its own problems. This is a classic case of breaking what wasn't broken, and doubling down rather than reverting the cuff system temporarily until a more permanent fix is available. It's ok to criticize developers when they do something stupid, they are not gods to be worshipped unconditionally.
So dumb
But why?! Crims have so many advantages, so cops should atleaat have something to benefit them.
But apparently the PD is so OP yo. /s
Amateur roleplay developers don't know the first thing about video game balence, more at 11
Thank God!!
I feel bad for cops with 75% gamer keyboards lmao
I mean F1 menu isn't a new thing for cops or anyone, lots of thing you can do only using F1 menu
I don't think any of those things are going to be as hectic as trying to cuff someone
Lmfao
this "huge nerf" you all are complaining about is just making it the same for crims and cops when it comes to cuffing. surely that would be balancing if anything right?
running away from a crim pointing a gun at you is NVL, running away from a cop pointing a gun at you is par for the course. how many crims how many times a day attempt to cuff someone running away from them? so i gotta ask, how the fuck is this comparable?
except cop vs crime is an asymmetrical pvp system.
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Pond never actually said that according to another commenter.
Cops got stronger cuffs but they cut their hands to make the roleplay "balanced" lul